| === AndrewMC is now known as SpockVulcan | ||
| === SpockVulcan is now known as AndrewMC | ||
| Fuzzoom | Hi guys, I'm rather new to linux, I've tried a few things on it, but haven't gotten very far. I currently have Ubuntu 11.04 running on VMware player. I was wondering if anyone might have suggestions for good starting tutorials... that I could find for free online? Videos would probably be best. | 01:38 |
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| Fuzzoom | It'd be nice to at least have a good jist of the most common commands in the terminal. | 01:38 |
| holstein | Fuzzoom: welcome | 01:43 |
| holstein | there are lots of resources.. wikis video.. and helpful folks here | 01:43 |
| holstein | i say, get yourself a few simple tasks | 01:43 |
| holstein | next time you want to make a folder on your desktop, come here, or google 'make a directory in the commandline ubuntu' | 01:43 |
| holstein | and use the mkdir command (for example) | 01:44 |
| holstein | i made myself a server machine that is command line only | 01:44 |
| holstein | i use ssh to connect to it headless | 01:44 |
| Fuzzoom | Heh, nice :] | 01:44 |
| holstein | everything i do on there *must* be in the terminal | 01:44 |
| holstein | great learning experience | 01:44 |
| Fuzzoom | Hmm, but what sort of things would I put on the server... | 01:45 |
| holstein | whatever you want | 01:46 |
| holstein | again, i think that would be a good idea if you had something you needed to accomplish | 01:46 |
| Fuzzoom | Perhaps what would help most, is some kinda introductory course, that gives me an idea of how to do a variety of functions in linux. And then I can decide what one of those to look further into. | 01:46 |
| holstein | i run a mumble server for a skype kind of connection to folks, and an icecast server that i stream audio to.. a webserver that i put files up for folks on | 01:46 |
| holstein | Fuzzoom: right... but, what im suggesting is... you just take on some easy tasks | 01:47 |
| holstein | if you sit down and say 'im going to learn the command line', thats quite a task | 01:47 |
| Fuzzoom | Heh | 01:47 |
| holstein | but, you can learn to manipulate some files with the terminal easily | 01:48 |
| holstein | the introduction really depends on what you want, and what level you are on | 01:48 |
| Riviera | Fuzzoom: Do you have any particular motivation for the wish to work in terminals? | 01:48 |
| Fuzzoom | Hmm, well I suppose I could make a server that a tutorial instructs me to, learning what things do along the way... | 01:48 |
| holstein | yeah, that too... you dont have to work in the command line ;) | 01:48 |
| Fuzzoom | Well not so much server side at this point... | 01:49 |
| Fuzzoom | more for getting things done quickly when it comes to downloading important files and simple tasks like that. | 01:49 |
| Riviera | So this is only accidently related to Linux? | 01:50 |
| Fuzzoom | Or would you suggest starting with applications meant to make those processes easier? | 01:50 |
| holstein | Fuzzoom: i would try and narrow it down to a task you would like to accomplish | 01:51 |
| holstein | if you are on windows as well, maybe setting up a samba share, or running something simple in WINE | 01:51 |
| Riviera | An (IMHO better) alternative to learning "the command line" for "getting things done quickly" is learning a decent scripting language instead. | 01:52 |
| holstein | Riviera: bash? | 01:52 |
| Fuzzoom | Ah that sounds like a good idea, Riviera :] | 01:52 |
| holstein | i would like to learn more python... i look at it every now and then | 01:53 |
| Riviera | bash is everything but decent, especially as a scripting language ;) | 01:53 |
| holstein | i found http://www.upriss.org.uk/python/PythonCourse.html | 01:53 |
| Riviera | Fuzzoom: yes, I'm pretty convinced it is. | 01:53 |
| Fuzzoom | what scripting language would be the best to start with, in your opinion? | 01:53 |
| Fuzzoom | err ya know, the basics :D | 01:53 |
| Riviera | Hm. I can not really say, Python might not be the worst choice. | 01:54 |
| Fuzzoom | I did a little work in DOS... but that was ages ago. | 01:54 |
| Fuzzoom | ok :] | 01:54 |
| Riviera | But also depends on what the task is. For what you are after Python might indeed be good. | 01:54 |
| holstein | i was thinking a lot of ubuntu/linux uses python, right? | 01:54 |
| holstein | i looked at a few, and it seemed less over my head too | 01:54 |
| Fuzzoom | oh... would the idea be that i'd be programming my own download managers and such? | 01:55 |
| Riviera | hm, yes, python is relatively common | 01:55 |
| Riviera | Fuzzoom: the idea, hm. | 01:55 |
| Riviera | Fuzzoom: Let me annoy you with too many words: | 01:55 |
| Fuzzoom | okay, hehe | 01:55 |
| Riviera | Fuzzoom: What you vaguely understand as "linux' command line" is probably more or less a shell and some standard, common tools | 01:56 |
| Fuzzoom | Thats probably true :P | 01:56 |
| Riviera | Fuzzoom: like wget or curl to fetch data from the web, grep to select lines, awk and sed to manipulate them, | 01:56 |
| Riviera | Fuzzoom: the shell (often bash) that glues these things together. | 01:57 |
| Riviera | Fuzzoom: now, all of these tools can be used for scripting purposes similar as scripting languages, | 01:57 |
| Riviera | Fuzzoom: but they are optimized for something else: For interactive use (in the command line), which has some implications. | 01:58 |
| Riviera | Fuzzoom: one of them is that they're cryptic and complicated, people, when working interactively in terminals, don't want to type a lot. | 01:58 |
| Riviera | Fuzzoom: often "the command line" looks like your cat slept on the keyboard. | 01:58 |
| Fuzzoom | heh | 01:59 |
| Riviera | Fuzzoom: that means that things are complicated and take long to learn, | 01:59 |
| Riviera | Fuzzoom: because, they also are very special in their domain, they are not generic solutions, but optimized to those that occur commonly, | 01:59 |
| Riviera | Fuzzoom: working with files that potentially contain newline characters easily becomes very annoying in shells, | 01:59 |
| Riviera | Fuzzoom: working with files that only contain of ascii characters is easy, | 02:00 |
| Riviera | Fuzzoom: (in their names, i meant), | 02:00 |
| Fuzzoom | because of the limitations within those shells? | 02:00 |
| Riviera | Fuzzoom: no, because they are optimized for common tasks. | 02:00 |
| Riviera | Fuzzoom: working with lines of data is easy, working with more complex data becomes hard, | 02:00 |
| Fuzzoom | Ah | 02:01 |
| Riviera | Fuzzoom: well, I realise, I talk too much. | 02:01 |
| Riviera | Fuzzoom: in summary, the things that you can do with the shell are limited compared to a "normal" scripting language, | 02:01 |
| Fuzzoom | That makes sense. | 02:01 |
| Riviera | Fuzzoom: which usually makes much more powerful issues far easier, | 02:01 |
| Riviera | Fuzzoom: the only drawback is, you have to type a few more to solve the same problem, | 02:02 |
| Riviera | Fuzzoom: but you waste less years learning all these things. | 02:02 |
| Fuzzoom | But you also get, exactly what you want, instead of what someone else was thinking, cause your programming it yourself, right? | 02:02 |
| Riviera | Fuzzoom: in python, writing a script that parses a website's html and downloads some desired documents from that parsed data is easy, | 02:02 |
| Riviera | Fuzzoom: doing the same with a shell, grep, sed, and awk is (in the general case) way more complicated, far less robust and often not reasonably possible. | 02:03 |
| Fuzzoom | I have done a nice long tutorial on html, which dabbled a little into java script. I've also done a little action script in Adobe Flash. But I'm aware neither of those are programming languages. | 02:03 |
| Riviera | Fuzzoom: hm, but sure they are. | 02:04 |
| Fuzzoom | oh? | 02:04 |
| Riviera | Fuzzoom: Why wouldn't they be? | 02:04 |
| Riviera | ah, before I forget, I wanted to suggest something. | 02:04 |
| Fuzzoom | Sure :D | 02:04 |
| Riviera | In case you find yourself thinking that everything I said is bullshit, and you decide for the foolish path of learning "the command line," | 02:05 |
| Riviera | IMHO one of the things you should learn first should be to read / navigate / find documentation. | 02:05 |
| Riviera | Finding useful information in manpages, finding the right manpages, and even googling for information are acquired and IMHO non-trivial skills. | 02:06 |
| Riviera | I cannot provide useful beginner's tutorials, so I can only say that :) | 02:06 |
| Fuzzoom | Hmm, I am pretty skilled at googling things... the question is... knowing what to look for though. If you don't know nearly anything... you gotta start somewhere. | 02:06 |
| Fuzzoom | Ah ok :] | 02:07 |
| Riviera | :) | 02:07 |
| Fuzzoom | I guess I've gotta remember... linux is far more about programming, rather than being a user friendly gui. | 02:07 |
| Riviera | ActionScript and JavaScript are indeed programming languages, and prime examples of scripting languages. | 02:08 |
| Fuzzoom | Its more about making your own "user friendly" answers, correct? | 02:08 |
| Riviera | I don't think so, no. | 02:08 |
| Fuzzoom | lol | 02:08 |
| Riviera | That is, btw, the reason why I initially asked what your motivation behind all this is, | 02:09 |
| Riviera | because I had that feeling that for you Linux somehow is related to the command line. | 02:09 |
| Riviera | And with, hm, having to be an expert for using it. | 02:09 |
| Riviera | and all that :) | 02:09 |
| Fuzzoom | Well, I've made some fairly educated guesses, but I apparently still know hardly anything, to be able to guess. xD | 02:09 |
| Riviera | ah well, all these are anyway only my opinions, probably most the gurus would object 8) | 02:10 |
| Fuzzoom | Heh | 02:10 |
| Fuzzoom | Well I appreciate you taking time to assist me (or at least try to). | 02:10 |
| Riviera | So, you don't find the GUI that you are using "easy?" | 02:10 |
| Fuzzoom | Well I do... | 02:10 |
| Fuzzoom | but... there are some things | 02:11 |
| Riviera | You used Windows before? | 02:11 |
| Fuzzoom | like installing a flashplayer plugin for instance | 02:11 |
| Fuzzoom | yeah I'm mainly a windows kid | 02:11 |
| Fuzzoom | but simple tasks like that... can get very confusing when people on google have many different ideas of what to do... | 02:11 |
| Fuzzoom | many of which may work... but knowing what one to do... is... confusing | 02:12 |
| Riviera | I wanted to ask which things you feel hard in your Linux installation that before were natural to you in Windows. | 02:12 |
| Riviera | Yes, that's true. | 02:12 |
| Riviera | But hm, doesn't Ubuntu do about everything for you already when installing the flashplayer plugin? | 02:13 |
| Fuzzoom | Well I also read reviews when I go to do things, typically... | 02:13 |
| Fuzzoom | and it seemed that the normal application finder/installer thing wasn't given the best reviews | 02:13 |
| Riviera | ah, okay. hm. | 02:14 |
| Riviera | :) | 02:14 |
| Riviera | I don't bother much, maybe that's why I didn't notice :) | 02:14 |
| Fuzzoom | hehe | 02:14 |
| Riviera | Do you have other examples? | 02:14 |
| Riviera | Of things that feel complicated? | 02:14 |
| Fuzzoom | Hmm, maybe I should just write down and or ask questions as they pop up. | 02:14 |
| Fuzzoom | and maybe try out that python tutorial | 02:15 |
| Riviera | Sure, but I now did not ask to provide solutions, it was mainly for understanding your idea of what Linux is and why it makes you feel that you should bother with internals. | 02:15 |
| Riviera | Which is nothing bad per se, but should not be desired when one just wants to use a computer :) | 02:16 |
| Fuzzoom | Ok, well aside from intriguement in a different operating system from windows/mac... my main thought on using linux is... | 02:16 |
| Fuzzoom | Its free, and open source? and a lot more customizable... and some day it might be a lot more compatible with games I care most about. | 02:17 |
| Fuzzoom | So some day I might just switch completely over to it. | 02:17 |
| Riviera | time will tell :) | 02:18 |
| Fuzzoom | but yeah... the many many updates that microsoft keeps asking you to download... | 02:18 |
| Fuzzoom | gets pretty annoying | 02:18 |
| Riviera | hehe | 02:18 |
| Fuzzoom | and doesn't seem necessary | 02:18 |
| Riviera | yes, that sucks indeed :) | 02:18 |
| Fuzzoom | if people are smart enough to avoid making a few stupid mistakes | 02:18 |
| Fuzzoom | Oh and also, I here the resource management of linux systems is like way better... (err uses less RAM) | 02:19 |
| Riviera | mh. | 02:20 |
| Fuzzoom | Oh yeah, and I do like workspaces :D, I imagine they could be pretty useful | 02:20 |
| Fuzzoom | I've always kinda wanted to try out the linux cube :P | 02:20 |
| Riviera | That feels so, yes, but I cannot really say. I use relatively minimal environments in linux and have sadly no clue about recent windows. | 02:21 |
| Riviera | hehe | 02:21 |
| Riviera | linux cube ... that's still around? 8) | 02:21 |
| Fuzzoom | lol I think so | 02:21 |
| Fuzzoom | now you can do it as a cylinder too | 02:21 |
| Fuzzoom | Anyhow, I like getting new perspectives, and access to new resources. | 02:21 |
| Fuzzoom | Though with time I learn that some things... like website coding... can be pretty tedious, and just wasn't for me. | 02:22 |
| Riviera | Then don't much bother, just play around :) | 02:22 |
| Fuzzoom | Anyhow, as of right now... whenever application installations refer me to the terminal line to do stuff... I am like gah, idk what I'm doing >.< | 02:23 |
| Fuzzoom | I guess what'd be helpful for that is like a cheat sheet... like... cd = change direction /.. = search down two folders (made that one up kinda)... something like that | 02:25 |
| Fuzzoom | directory, not direction lol | 02:25 |
| Riviera | there are millions of documents like that out there | 02:25 |
| Fuzzoom | doh xD | 02:25 |
| Riviera | maybe one or two are good :) | 02:25 |
| Riviera | hmm. | 02:26 |
| Riviera | I really don't know of a good resource for that :/ | 02:27 |
| Riviera | or well, maybe ask tomorrow again or so :) | 02:27 |
| Fuzzoom | hehe ok, I guess I'll google around a little | 02:27 |
| Fuzzoom | sounds like its hard for you guys to give simple suggestions for stuff like that. | 02:28 |
| Fuzzoom | since there are so many options out there. | 02:28 |
| Fuzzoom | (and since its probably so ancient and beaten into you, that you probably don't remember what ones you used) | 02:28 |
| Riviera | I mainly used the manpages. | 02:29 |
| Riviera | Stuff online usually sucks, it's usually wrong and such. | 02:29 |
| Riviera | err, | 02:29 |
| Riviera | I mean, when it's about the command line, shell scripting and so, | 02:29 |
| Riviera | not things online in general :) | 02:29 |
| Fuzzoom | ah ok | 02:30 |
| Fuzzoom | well man pages seems pretty cool | 02:30 |
| Fuzzoom | Seems easy enough to navigate with the find feature. | 02:31 |
| Fuzzoom | (find feature in firefox) | 02:31 |
| Riviera | ah, you read them in your browser? | 02:31 |
| Fuzzoom | Uh, atm yeah. | 02:32 |
| Fuzzoom | oh I see... just looked at the wiki | 02:32 |
| Riviera | Hm? :) | 02:33 |
| Fuzzoom | yeah ok I have no idea where you'd normally find it xD | 02:34 |
| Fuzzoom | or what to enter anyways | 02:34 |
| Riviera | You mean, for reading a manpage? | 02:37 |
| Fuzzoom | yeah | 02:37 |
| Riviera | you'd, in your shell, in a terminal, use the command "man" | 02:38 |
| Riviera | like for getting the manpage of the command "man" itself, you'd type "man man" | 02:38 |
| Riviera | for help with the command "ls", type "man ls" | 02:38 |
| Riviera | also try "man intro" | 02:38 |
| Fuzzoom | oh ok... :] | 02:39 |
| Fuzzoom | so if I wanted to say... find out what cd meant via manual pages | 02:40 |
| Fuzzoom | could i do that? | 02:40 |
| Riviera | hmm. | 02:42 |
| Riviera | only if you are lucky | 02:42 |
| Riviera | "cd" is a command built in to your shell | 02:42 |
| Riviera | there are not always manpages for these commands | 02:42 |
| Riviera | on some systems there are, on some there are not :) | 02:43 |
| Fuzzoom | ah lol | 02:44 |
| Fuzzoom | ok the man intro does seem to be pretty helpful :D | 02:45 |
| Fuzzoom | good to know bout that :] | 02:45 |
| Fuzzoom | once you are into one of those, do you have to "terminal > reset" to clear out of it? | 02:46 |
| Riviera | type q | 02:46 |
| Riviera | it's a bit fancy, | 02:46 |
| Fuzzoom | oh coolio | 02:47 |
| Riviera | manpages are files | 02:47 |
| Riviera | uhm | 02:47 |
| Riviera | sheesh, I am too drunk 8) | 02:47 |
| Fuzzoom | so this is kinda like the help app thing in windows | 02:47 |
| Riviera | I mean, manpages are written in "mark-up" (remotely similar to html) | 02:47 |
| Fuzzoom | just kinda xD | 02:47 |
| Riviera | when you type "man <some manpage>" | 02:47 |
| Riviera | then, behind the scenes, this mark-up is rendered for your terminal, | 02:48 |
| Riviera | like doing all these fancy things, hyphenation, justification, deciding what to print in bold and so, | 02:48 |
| Riviera | (depending for example on the width of your terminal window) | 02:49 |
| Riviera | eventually displayed in a "pager" | 02:49 |
| Riviera | usually that pager is less | 02:49 |
| Riviera | which is the program that you interact with, in that you scroll up and down in that manpage | 02:49 |
| Riviera | and which is ended with pressing the q key :) | 02:49 |
| Fuzzoom | alright :P | 02:50 |
| Riviera | because of this complex insanity, it's also possible to create quite nicely typeset manpages for print | 02:50 |
| Riviera | and so 8) | 02:50 |
| Riviera | :)) | 02:50 |
| Fuzzoom | well I am sure the man pages will be helpful to me :D | 02:51 |
| Fuzzoom | for the basics I want to / should know about the terminal | 02:52 |
| Fuzzoom | time go to make a lil document on my desktop to refer to to remember these crucial basic commands ^^ | 02:52 |
| Riviera | making your own cheat sheet does not sound like the worst idea | 02:54 |
| Fuzzoom | ^^ | 02:55 |
| Riviera | maybe see the documentation of the "coreutils" | 02:56 |
| Riviera | that usually is in info format which to learn for you would now be asked too much, | 02:56 |
| Riviera | but it should be online somewhere for easy browsing | 02:56 |
| Riviera | Fuzzoom: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Core_Utilities#Programs_included_in_coreutils | 02:57 |
| Fuzzoom | Hmm | 03:02 |
| Fuzzoom | Well I'll continue with my cheat sheet, and ask questions as I try to do common tasks. =] | 03:04 |
| Fuzzoom | (when I run into stuff idk) | 03:05 |
| Riviera | way to go :) | 03:05 |
| Riviera | Did you already write your first Python script? :) | 03:05 |
| Fuzzoom | I don't think so. xD | 03:05 |
| Fuzzoom | Oh... I forgot... I have seen a lil programming in filemaker... and on some graphic calculators for that matter | 03:06 |
| Fuzzoom | just a tiny bit though | 03:06 |
| Riviera | sheesh, what are you waiting for? :P | 03:06 |
| Riviera | If you feel the need to learn programming first, then learn programming first :) | 03:07 |
| Fuzzoom | It sounds like a good start... as long as I have "problems" it gives me to work through | 03:09 |
| Fuzzoom | *reading through the python.org tutorial now* | 03:10 |
| Fuzzoom | blah no, this one is too much reading without doing anything lol | 03:12 |
| Riviera | :) | 03:12 |
| Fuzzoom | Hooray, one with a lot of exercises for beginners like me. :D (at least I think it is) | 03:14 |
| Fuzzoom | http://learnpythonthehardway.org/book/ | 03:14 |
| Riviera | Also see #python, they have some strong opinions about many python documents and surely many helpful hints. | 03:17 |
| Fuzzoom | ok I'll try to remember that | 03:17 |
| Fuzzoom | You know one cool example of trying a new app/technique that I did, was when I took an intro to flash class... I realized I could pretty easily make an entire calendar. :D | 03:19 |
| Fuzzoom | I suppose as you learn the skills, ideally the ideas will fly into your head, on how to use them. | 03:20 |
| Riviera | Yes, that's often so. | 03:24 |
| Riviera | Try to keep that, I imagine that can be lost during one's life. | 03:24 |
| Fuzzoom | Hehe | 03:26 |
| Fuzzoom | I don't think I will ever think learning new perspectives is a bad idea | 03:26 |
| Fuzzoom | though I may not be interested in learning certain perspectives. ;] | 03:26 |
| Fuzzoom | Err perspects/talents/skills... whatever you wanna call them | 03:27 |
| Riviera | ah no, I don't mean the learning itself | 03:27 |
| Riviera | I mean these ideas that fly when learning ;) | 03:27 |
| Fuzzoom | ah I'll try :P | 03:28 |
| Fuzzoom | Though I'm not naturally one of the more creative types, I don't think. | 03:28 |
| Riviera | How would you know :P | 03:29 |
| Riviera | :) | 03:29 |
| Fuzzoom | From experience trying out drawing, painting, photoshop, etc... | 03:30 |
| Fuzzoom | alrightie, I think its time to put chatzilla on my ubuntu firefox =P | 03:37 |
| Fuzzoom | gets a lil confusing doing it in windows and popping into ubuntu xD | 03:37 |
| Fuzzoom | but yeah doing a tutorial like this within ubuntu seems like just what I needed | 03:38 |
| Fuzzoom | I learn some programming, have some exercises to make sure I'm doing things right and understanding right... and if I only do it in ubuntu, I have more incentive to use ubuntu. =] | 03:38 |
| Fuzzoom_ | Alright, I'm back, inside of my virtual OS. ;D | 03:48 |
| Riviera | welcome back ;) | 03:49 |
| Fuzzoom_ | lol wow, adding unity really makes things confusing xD | 03:49 |
| Fuzzoom_ | (merging windows 7 and ubuntu into same gui, cept for window edges) | 03:49 |
| Riviera | one gets used to that :) | 03:51 |
| Fuzzoom_ | yeah suppose so | 03:51 |
| Riviera | laters :) | 03:55 |
| Fuzzoom_ | you off for the night? | 04:00 |
| Fuzzoom_ | Thanks again for the help. It took a while to get some answers that worked great for me, but I did get them, and have a better idea of how to utilize this chat now. =] | 04:06 |
| === Graham is now known as Guest96637 | ||
| Guest96637 | So I have installed 11.10 and have the machine hooked up to a Panasonic HD TV however for the screen is always stretched off what appears to be all four sides. I have tried different resolutions on the nVidia drivers. I have the latest restricted ones but no joy. This computer previously worked fin with windows | 05:58 |
| Guest96637 | The resolution is set to 1920x1080 | 05:59 |
| philipballew | Whats a good way to make a python script a deb I can install? | 06:03 |
| Snicksie | Guest96637, does the tv has something like 'auto configure'? does it have a setting where you can say 'i want 16:9' or 'i want 4:3' or whatever? :) | 06:06 |
| Snicksie | maybe you'll need additional settings on the tv :) | 06:06 |
| Guest96637 | Yes gone through all that and always stretched | 06:07 |
| Guest96637 | I should not say stretched just oversized outside of the visible area | 06:07 |
| Guest96637 | Well the tv video card combo worked fine under windows | 06:08 |
| Snicksie | yeah, when I connect my tv to my laptop, it works great... | 06:08 |
| Snicksie | what setting do you choose, Guest96637 ? disabled; seperate x-screen; twinview ? | 06:09 |
| Guest96637 | Separate X-screen | 06:09 |
| Snicksie | in the nvidia settings, you can set the panning too, i guess | 06:10 |
| Snicksie | is that the settings from your 'standard' monitor or the tv-screen? :) | 06:10 |
| Snicksie | advanced settings ;) | 06:10 |
| Guest96637 | One sec | 06:11 |
| Guest96637 | Ok so should I reduce the size under panning? | 06:11 |
| Snicksie | i'd try it :) | 06:11 |
| Guest96637 | That seems a bit better | 06:12 |
| Snicksie | okay, nice ;) | 06:12 |
| Guest96637 | Herm actually it will not let me apply it | 06:14 |
| shahanthegeek | I have just installed the ubuntu 11.10 | 09:24 |
| shahanthegeek | but cannt install "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras" | 09:24 |
| shahanthegeek | http://paste.ubuntu.com/707853/ | 09:25 |
| M0hi | shahanthegeek: you updated the machine? | 09:31 |
| M0hi | If not, try updating the machine and try | 09:32 |
| M0hi | ok bai | 09:32 |
| geirha | shahanthegeek: Try sudo apt-get update first | 09:45 |
| M0hi | geirha: He told that he updated twice :[ | 09:48 |
| shahanthegeek | geirha: I did it | 09:49 |
| shahanthegeek | again I have updated using the Main Server as its source . But same issue :( | 09:49 |
| shahanthegeek | http://paste.ubuntu.com/707868/ | 09:50 |
| shahanthegeek | At last the "ubuntu-restricted-extras" is downloading | 09:51 |
| shahanthegeek | that is installing | 09:51 |
| shahanthegeek | but the "sudo apt-get update" has not been updated completed :( | 09:52 |
| geirha | Hm. GPG errors | 09:52 |
| shahanthegeek | geirha: what does it mean? | 09:53 |
| geirha | It's unable to verify that the package lists are from a trusted source. | 09:53 |
| shahanthegeek | geirha: so, what should I do now? | 09:54 |
| geirha | Not sure. I don't know if the problem is with archive.ubuntu.com or with your install | 09:54 |
| shahanthegeek | hmm... Will it affect my ubuntu-restricted-extras installation as I am installing it right now ? | 09:55 |
| geirha | Could be some stale files in /var/lib/apt/lists | 09:56 |
| geirha | No, if it installs, it installs correctly. | 09:57 |
| geirha | You can try: sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/* /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/* | 09:58 |
| geirha | And then sudo apt-get update again | 09:58 |
| shahanthegeek | geirha: ok... I will try this after my ubuntu-restricted-extras installation | 10:07 |
| shahanthegeek | geirha: tnx for your help :) | 10:07 |
| geirha | The rm will give a warning about partial being a directory. That's expected, so just ignore it. | 10:08 |
| shahanthegeek | geirha: ok | 10:09 |
| sd_ubuntu | Hi! I'm new at ubuntu community. Could I start some work with you? | 12:44 |
| sd_ubuntu | I read something about packaging | 12:44 |
| holstein | sd_ubuntu: i would try and find a project you would like to help | 13:23 |
| holstein | i help with ubuntustudio for example... though not as much as i would like | 13:26 |
| holstein | the ubuntu weekly newsletter team is a great place to help out as a non-coder, and get an idea of what is going on in the community | 13:27 |
| === wis3v0yag3r is now known as lanchoa | ||
| === lanchoa is now known as wiseqnet | ||
| wiseqnet | does anyone here has tried oneiric 0celot | 14:03 |
| baudits | Im new to ubuntu. I tried to checkout some files from CVS. But i get a: "cvs checkout: failed to obtain history lock in repository ....." error. can anyone help me with this error or tell me where to look or ask? | 15:11 |
| raubvogel | I am using pidgin right now. How do I tell it to stop creating a temporary window with the last reply to me? | 15:17 |
| w47331 | i have an issue with my graphics not working correctly. Im new to linux and am confussed as to what to ask...any help to clear this up? | 15:32 |
| wiseqnet | ask @ #ubuntu | 15:36 |
| bioterror | w47331, you should tell us first what kind of gpu you have | 15:37 |
| bioterror | we cannot help if you dont tell us what's the issue and what kind of hardware you have | 15:37 |
| bioterror | just like with car, you tell your car's model and what are the symptons | 15:38 |
| bioterror | right? | 15:38 |
| w47331 | srry im looking for the command | 15:39 |
| bioterror | lspci |less | 15:39 |
| bioterror | for example | 15:39 |
| w47331 | ty!!!!lol | 15:39 |
| w47331 | http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/707773/ | 15:39 |
| w47331 | my video fr it says no support for texture found.DTX texture compression not required. | 15:41 |
| w47331 | its driving me nuts....love ubuntu but cant play any games....and i love rfactor!!! | 15:44 |
| bioterror | oh well, i915 is not the fastest chipset for playing 3D games | 15:45 |
| w47331 | but is there a fix for this? | 15:45 |
| bioterror | w47331, trying to google a little | 15:48 |
| bioterror | I just came back from work and I'm having a horrible headache | 15:48 |
| w47331 | sorry to hear that....i just got over the flu...was down for 6 days | 15:48 |
| bioterror | w47331, does your screen flicker or what? | 15:49 |
| w47331 | no it isnt being recongnized ass a 3d card i think...says no support for texture compression. DTXX texture compression required | 15:52 |
| w47331 | *as | 15:52 |
| w47331 | DXT | 15:52 |
| w47331 | does ubuntu have anyting like teamviewer or VNC? | 15:53 |
| bioterror | !vnc | 15:54 |
| ubot2 | VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely. It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX | 15:54 |
| bioterror | !freenx | 15:54 |
| ubot2 | FreeNX is advanced remote desktop technology. For more information and install instructions, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX | 15:54 |
| w47331 | sweet!! | 15:54 |
| w47331 | think oyu would be willing to help remotly? | 15:54 |
| w47331 | you* | 15:54 |
| bioterror | I dont help with remote connections | 15:56 |
| bioterror | and I'm still looking what's your problem | 15:56 |
| w47331 | remote connection isnt my prob....my video isnt allowing me to play games | 15:57 |
| bioterror | is that a windows game | 15:58 |
| bioterror | or a native linux game? | 15:58 |
| w47331 | yes i have wine... | 15:59 |
| w47331 | win | 15:59 |
| bioterror | that rfactor is a game you play under wine? | 15:59 |
| w47331 | im hoping to.... | 16:00 |
| w47331 | or am i going about it all wrong? | 16:00 |
| bioterror | would you like to answer to my question | 16:00 |
| w47331 | ...um...yes? | 16:01 |
| bioterror | yeah, rfactor is a car game for windows | 16:02 |
| w47331 | as i admited in my into ...im new to this all...and have only used windows in the past...so i hope i am answering your Q's as they are needed to be | 16:02 |
| w47331 | right.. | 16:02 |
| bioterror | problem must be some where in wine then | 16:02 |
| w47331 | when i try to install the game it installs,, then it trys to config the video and says no support for texture compression. DTXX texture compression required | 16:03 |
| w47331 | DTX* | 16:04 |
| bioterror | DXT? | 16:04 |
| w47331 | yea.. | 16:04 |
| w47331 | srry | 16:05 |
| bioterror | sounds like you need a better graphics card then ;) | 16:05 |
| bioterror | buy xbox 360 and forza 4 for gaming ;) | 16:06 |
| w47331 | im over microsoft.... | 16:06 |
| w47331 | then seems no help for this issue ? | 16:06 |
| bioterror | this appears to be a hardware related case, and I'm not a wine expert to be honest. I've played Fallout 1 and 2 under wine | 16:07 |
| bioterror | and that's all :-) | 16:07 |
| w47331 | right on thank you for your time!!! | 16:07 |
| bioterror | np, have a nice weekend ;) | 16:08 |
| bioterror | you can probably play tuxracer! ;) | 16:08 |
| w47331 | you too !!!! | 16:08 |
| w47331 | im getten new card...any suggetions...my laptop is inpsiron 1545 | 16:08 |
| bioterror | laptops arent good for gamin | 16:08 |
| w47331 | baby crying bbif | 16:09 |
| w47331 | ah!!! | 16:09 |
| IAmNotThatGuy | I think the issues is similar to http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11339095 | 16:12 |
| w47331 | was fresh install from dvd | 16:17 |
| AnNo3 | Hi, I recently updated to 11.10 on my netbook and now it doesn't see any microphones. Any help, please? | 18:29 |
| zimio | hey y'all | 18:39 |
| zimio | does anybody know how to fix the thing when ubuntu thinks the disk is full but is not | 18:39 |
| bioterror | how it is full? | 18:40 |
| zimio | df -h | 18:40 |
| zimio | it says 96% | 18:40 |
| bioterror | okay | 18:40 |
| zimio | but it isn't / is only 6 gb full | 18:40 |
| zimio | btw have you been using gnome shell? | 18:41 |
| bioterror | All the time | 18:41 |
| zimio | that shit is sick | 18:42 |
| zimio | i have my /home in a different partition | 18:43 |
| zimio | bigger than the / partition | 18:43 |
| bioterror | does it say that you're out of space | 18:45 |
| bioterror | or just warns you're getting out of space? | 18:45 |
| zimio | it warns me | 18:45 |
| zimio | it freezes some times | 18:45 |
| zimio | i have to rebooy | 18:45 |
| zimio | it won't login, then it does | 18:46 |
| zimio | take a look | 18:46 |
| zimio | http://imgur.com/ej3Xo | 18:46 |
| zimio | but then i do this: | 18:47 |
| zimio | $ df -h | 18:47 |
| zimio | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on | 18:47 |
| zimio | /dev/sda1 37G 34G 1.5G 96% / | 18:47 |
| zimio | udev 2.0G 4.0K 2.0G 1% /dev | 18:47 |
| zimio | tmpfs 799M 952K 798M 1% /run | 18:47 |
| zimio | none 5.0M 0 5.0M 0% /run/lock | 18:47 |
| zimio | none 2.0G 300K 2.0G 1% /run/shm | 18:47 |
| zimio | /dev/sda6 250G 99G 138G 42% /home | 18:47 |
| zimio | then i can't install programs for "lack of space" | 18:47 |
| bioterror | zimio, do 'sudo apt-get clean' | 18:48 |
| bioterror | and next time, pastebin, please ;) | 18:48 |
| zimio | yea i have done that the clean a couple of times in a row this day | 18:48 |
| bioterror | how can your system use 35GB :o | 18:49 |
| zimio | it doesn't if you check the disk analyzer in the pic | 18:49 |
| zimio | it only says that am using 10 gb | 18:49 |
| zimio | plus whatever is in home | 18:49 |
| bioterror | hmmm | 18:50 |
| bioterror | df hardly lies | 18:50 |
| zimio | hmmm am i in the twilight zone? | 18:50 |
| bioterror | or outerlimits! | 18:51 |
| zimio | nooooooooooo | 18:51 |
| bioterror | :D | 18:51 |
| bioterror | "do not try to adjust the tv" :D | 18:51 |
| bioterror | or how it was | 18:51 |
| zimio | man, i don't remember much about the show | 18:51 |
| zimio | it is mostly fuzzy for me | 18:52 |
| bioterror | but back to your problem | 18:52 |
| zimio | what can be done? | 18:52 |
| bioterror | hmm | 18:52 |
| Willex | hi | 18:54 |
| bioterror | I really cant figure out why it says it uses that much space, and that graphical thingie not | 18:55 |
| bioterror | Willex, moro | 18:55 |
| bodhi_zazen | zimio: something has to be using the space -) | 18:55 |
| Willex | anybody else have problems installing 11.10 through live USB | 18:55 |
| bodhi_zazen | check your logs - /var/log | 18:55 |
| bioterror | Willex, what kind of problem? | 18:55 |
| bodhi_zazen | 'lo bioterror | 18:56 |
| bioterror | hi bodhi | 18:56 |
| zimio | I'll get to the bottom of this | 18:56 |
| Willex | it just tells me there\s some sort of input output error and won\t finish the installation | 18:56 |
| zimio | even if it cost my afternoon! | 18:56 |
| Willex | yet the live USB works ok in itself | 18:56 |
| bioterror | Willex, you sure that the hdd okay? | 18:57 |
| Willex | but supposedly its messed up during the install | 18:57 |
| bioterror | Willex, sure you can: sudo du -h / |less | 18:57 |
| bioterror | sory Willex | 18:57 |
| bioterror | that was ment to zimio | 18:57 |
| Willex | well it was fine this evening lol | 18:57 |
| Willex | before I decicded to try this | 18:57 |
| Willex | urghhhhh | 18:58 |
| bioterror | Willex, can you check logs? | 18:58 |
| Willex | I should have known this wouldn\t be easy, there\s always something wrong with these installs | 18:58 |
| Willex | dunno what logs | 18:58 |
| Willex | I tried checking disk utility | 18:59 |
| Willex | it seemed ok | 18:59 |
| bioterror | hmmm /var/log/messages for example | 18:59 |
| Willex | if I can\t get this working then I\ll probably have to revert some earlier version I have stored somewhere | 19:00 |
| Willex | can using unetbootin cause install issues | 19:02 |
| Willex | ubuntu\s default one couldn\t create a working live USB for me | 19:03 |
| Willex | this one at least boots but it would be nice to get out of this limbo | 19:03 |
| bioterror | I made a working usb of lubuntu with imagewriter | 19:04 |
| bioterror | as you can now "dd" the image into usb stick | 19:04 |
| bodhi_zazen | zimio: use du and df , lol | 19:07 |
| zimio | ??? | 19:07 |
| zimio | du and df? | 19:07 |
| zimio | use them how? | 19:07 |
| bodhi_zazen | Open a terminal | 19:08 |
| bodhi_zazen | cd /var | 19:08 |
| bodhi_zazen | du -h | 19:08 |
| bodhi_zazen | cd /tmp | 19:08 |
| bodhi_zazen | du -u | 19:08 |
| bodhi_zazen | cd / | 19:08 |
| bodhi_zazen | df -h | 19:08 |
| zimio | alright ;-) | 19:08 |
| Willex | errno 5 input out error | 19:09 |
| zimio | bodhi_zazen, du: invalid option -- 'u' | 19:10 |
| bodhi_zazen | -h | 19:11 |
| zimio | bodhi_zazen, same results as before | 19:11 |
| bodhi_zazen | You have to find what is taking up all that space | 19:11 |
| bodhi_zazen | How big are your logs ? | 19:11 |
| bodhi_zazen | cd /var/log | 19:11 |
| zimio | ok | 19:11 |
| bodhi_zazen | du -h | 19:11 |
| Willex | oh hooray i\m not alone lol http://askubuntu.com/questions/65946/errno-5-input-output-error-while-installing-11-10 | 19:11 |
| zimio | my logs are 29M | 19:12 |
| zimio | i don't know what is taking all that space | 19:12 |
| zimio | some programs say it is nothing | 19:13 |
| zimio | and df says it is something but it doesn't tell me where it is | 19:13 |
| bodhi_zazen | keep looking | 19:13 |
| bodhi_zazen | try /tmp | 19:13 |
| bioterror | /var/tmp too | 19:13 |
| zimio | /var/tmp is only 456MB | 19:14 |
| bioterror | :o | 19:14 |
| bioterror | how you have there stuff?-) | 19:14 |
| bodhi_zazen | LOL | 19:14 |
| bodhi_zazen | that is a ton of stuff, what is it | 19:15 |
| bioterror | and /var/tmp never gets empty | 19:15 |
| bioterror | unles you clean it yourself | 19:15 |
| zimio | some kdecache | 19:15 |
| zimio | that's whats taking space | 19:15 |
| zimio | but the disk analyzer tells me that | 19:15 |
| zimio | that's not new information, it all amounts to 10 gb | 19:16 |
| zimio | which isn't that bad | 19:16 |
| zimio | but that's according that program... | 19:16 |
| zimio | i think df -h is also counting the /home, which is another partition | 19:17 |
| zimio | and it gets bads results because of that | 19:17 |
| zimio | then gnome programs and apt-get, use df -h and panic because they don't see enough space | 19:18 |
| bioterror | no | 19:18 |
| bioterror | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on | 19:18 |
| bioterror | /dev/sda4 1,8T 1,7T 48G 98% /home | 19:18 |
| bioterror | it's a completely different partition and it's shown different | 19:18 |
| bioterror | /dev/disk/by-uuid/d75c55de-e6f7-4092-a8e4-5202974fcec5 9,7G 6,8G 2,4G 75% / | 19:18 |
| bioterror | as you can see | 19:18 |
| zimio | is there an option for df recursively look tell me the space of directories? | 19:19 |
| bioterror | sudo du -h / |less | 19:19 |
| zimio | thanks dudes, i'll get back to work | 19:22 |
| zimio | somehow i'll crack this mystery today | 19:22 |
| bodhi_zazen | Keep looking with du and df =_ | 19:23 |
| zimio | alright, thanks | 19:24 |
| Willex | honestly this is now downright ridiculous, some people have solved this errno 5 by taking off ram modules, wtf | 19:26 |
| bioterror | hahahaha | 19:26 |
| Willex | how random of an error can this be | 19:26 |
| Willex | take off your ram | 19:26 |
| Willex | bloody hell | 19:26 |
| bioterror | install 11.04 and do-release-upgrade :D | 19:26 |
| Willex | arent the upgrades a bit screwy | 19:27 |
| bioterror | no? | 19:27 |
| Willex | compared to fresh isntall | 19:27 |
| Willex | I always read that it isnt recommended | 19:27 |
| Willex | hmm | 19:27 |
| bioterror | are we using a GNU/Linux or Windows 98?-) | 19:27 |
| Willex | 98 would be a nice retro flashback | 19:28 |
| bioterror | and do-release-upgrade wont give you io error's ;) | 19:34 |
| === yofel_ is now known as yofel | ||
| sebsebseb | hi | 23:02 |
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