[01:38] <Fuzzoom> Hi guys, I'm rather new to linux, I've tried a few things on it, but haven't gotten very far. I currently have Ubuntu 11.04 running on VMware player. I was wondering if anyone might have suggestions for  good starting tutorials... that I could find for free online? Videos would probably be best.
[01:38] <Fuzzoom> It'd be nice to at least have a good jist of the most common commands in the terminal.
[01:43] <holstein> Fuzzoom: welcome
[01:43] <holstein> there are lots of resources.. wikis video.. and helpful folks here
[01:43] <holstein> i say, get yourself a few simple tasks
[01:43] <holstein> next time you want to make a folder on your desktop, come here, or google 'make a directory in the commandline ubuntu'
[01:44] <holstein> and use the mkdir command (for example)
[01:44] <holstein> i made myself a server machine that is command line only
[01:44] <holstein> i use ssh to connect to it headless
[01:44] <Fuzzoom> Heh, nice :]
[01:44] <holstein> everything i do on there *must* be in the terminal
[01:44] <holstein> great learning experience
[01:45] <Fuzzoom> Hmm, but what sort of things would I put on the server...
[01:46] <holstein> whatever you want
[01:46] <holstein> again, i think that would be a good idea if you had something you needed to accomplish
[01:46] <Fuzzoom> Perhaps what would help most, is some kinda introductory course, that gives me an idea of how to do a variety of functions in linux. And then I can decide what one of those to look further into.
[01:46] <holstein> i run a mumble server for a skype kind of connection to folks, and an icecast server that i stream audio to.. a webserver that i put files up for folks on
[01:47] <holstein> Fuzzoom: right... but, what im suggesting is... you just take on some easy tasks
[01:47] <holstein> if you sit down and say 'im going to learn the command line', thats quite a task
[01:47] <Fuzzoom> Heh
[01:48] <holstein> but, you can learn to manipulate some files with the terminal easily
[01:48] <holstein> the introduction really depends on what you want, and what level you are on
[01:48] <Riviera> Fuzzoom: Do you have any particular motivation for the wish to work in terminals?
[01:48] <Fuzzoom> Hmm, well I suppose I could make a server that a tutorial instructs me to, learning what things do along the way...
[01:48] <holstein> yeah, that too... you dont have to work in the command line ;)
[01:49] <Fuzzoom> Well not so much server side at this point...
[01:49] <Fuzzoom> more for getting things done quickly when it comes to downloading important files and simple tasks like that.
[01:50] <Riviera> So this is only accidently related to Linux?
[01:50] <Fuzzoom> Or would you suggest starting with applications meant to make those processes easier?
[01:51] <holstein> Fuzzoom: i would try and narrow it down to a task you would like to accomplish
[01:51] <holstein> if you are on windows as well, maybe setting up a samba share, or running something simple in WINE
[01:52] <Riviera> An (IMHO better) alternative to learning "the command line" for "getting things done quickly" is learning a decent scripting language instead.
[01:52] <holstein> Riviera: bash?
[01:52] <Fuzzoom> Ah that sounds like a good idea, Riviera :]
[01:53] <holstein> i would like to learn more python... i look at it every now and then
[01:53] <Riviera> bash is everything but decent, especially as a scripting language ;)
[01:53] <holstein> i found http://www.upriss.org.uk/python/PythonCourse.html
[01:53] <Riviera> Fuzzoom: yes, I'm pretty convinced it is.
[01:53] <Fuzzoom> what scripting language would be the best to start with, in your opinion?
[01:53] <Fuzzoom> err ya know, the basics :D
[01:54] <Riviera> Hm.  I can not really say, Python might not be the worst choice.
[01:54] <Fuzzoom> I did a little work in DOS... but that was ages ago.
[01:54] <Fuzzoom> ok :]
[01:54] <Riviera> But also depends on what the task is. For what you are after Python might indeed be good.
[01:54] <holstein> i was thinking a lot of ubuntu/linux uses python, right?
[01:54] <holstein> i looked at a few, and it seemed less over my head too
[01:55] <Fuzzoom> oh... would the idea be that i'd be programming my own download managers and such?
[01:55] <Riviera> hm, yes, python is relatively common
[01:55] <Riviera> Fuzzoom: the idea, hm.
[01:55] <Riviera> Fuzzoom: Let me annoy you with too many words:
[01:55] <Fuzzoom> okay, hehe
[01:56] <Riviera> Fuzzoom: What you vaguely understand as "linux' command line" is probably more or less a shell and some standard, common tools
[01:56] <Fuzzoom> Thats probably true :P
[01:56] <Riviera> Fuzzoom: like wget or curl to fetch data from the web, grep to select lines, awk and sed to manipulate them,
[01:57] <Riviera> Fuzzoom: the shell (often bash) that glues these things together.
[01:57] <Riviera> Fuzzoom: now, all of these tools can be used for scripting purposes similar as scripting languages,
[01:58] <Riviera> Fuzzoom: but they are optimized for something else:  For interactive use (in the command line), which has some implications.
[01:58] <Riviera> Fuzzoom: one of them is that they're cryptic and complicated, people, when working interactively in terminals, don't want to type a lot.
[01:58] <Riviera> Fuzzoom: often "the command line" looks like your cat slept on the keyboard.
[01:59] <Fuzzoom> heh
[01:59] <Riviera> Fuzzoom: that means that things are complicated and take long to learn,
[01:59] <Riviera> Fuzzoom: because, they also are very special in their domain, they are not generic solutions, but optimized to those that occur commonly,
[01:59] <Riviera> Fuzzoom: working with files that potentially contain newline characters easily becomes very annoying in shells,
[02:00] <Riviera> Fuzzoom: working with files that only contain of ascii characters is easy,
[02:00] <Riviera> Fuzzoom: (in their names, i meant),
[02:00] <Fuzzoom> because of the limitations within those shells?
[02:00] <Riviera> Fuzzoom: no, because they are optimized for common tasks.
[02:00] <Riviera> Fuzzoom: working with lines of data is easy, working with more complex data becomes hard,
[02:01] <Fuzzoom> Ah
[02:01] <Riviera> Fuzzoom: well, I realise, I talk too much.
[02:01] <Riviera> Fuzzoom: in summary, the things that you can do with the shell are limited compared to a "normal" scripting language,
[02:01] <Fuzzoom> That makes sense.
[02:01] <Riviera> Fuzzoom: which usually makes much more powerful issues far easier,
[02:02] <Riviera> Fuzzoom: the only drawback is, you have to type a few more to solve the same problem,
[02:02] <Riviera> Fuzzoom: but you waste less years learning all these things.
[02:02] <Fuzzoom> But you also get, exactly what you want, instead of what someone else was thinking, cause your programming it yourself, right?
[02:02] <Riviera> Fuzzoom: in python, writing a script that parses a website's html and downloads some desired documents from that parsed data is easy,
[02:03] <Riviera> Fuzzoom: doing the same with a shell, grep, sed, and awk is (in the general case) way more complicated, far less robust and often not reasonably possible.
[02:03] <Fuzzoom> I have done a nice long tutorial on html, which dabbled a little into java script. I've also done a little action script in Adobe Flash. But I'm aware neither of those are programming languages.
[02:04] <Riviera> Fuzzoom: hm, but sure they are.
[02:04] <Fuzzoom> oh?
[02:04] <Riviera> Fuzzoom: Why wouldn't they be?
[02:04] <Riviera> ah, before I forget, I wanted to suggest something.
[02:04] <Fuzzoom> Sure :D
[02:05] <Riviera> In case you find yourself thinking that everything I said is bullshit, and you decide for the foolish path of learning "the command line,"
[02:05] <Riviera> IMHO one of the things you should learn first should be to read / navigate / find documentation.
[02:06] <Riviera> Finding useful information in manpages, finding the right manpages, and even googling for information are acquired and IMHO non-trivial skills.
[02:06] <Riviera> I cannot provide useful beginner's tutorials, so I can only say that :)
[02:06] <Fuzzoom> Hmm, I am pretty skilled at googling things... the question is... knowing what to look for though. If you don't know nearly anything... you gotta start somewhere.
[02:07] <Fuzzoom> Ah ok :]
[02:07] <Riviera> :)
[02:07] <Fuzzoom> I guess I've gotta remember... linux is far more about programming, rather than being a user friendly gui.
[02:08] <Riviera> ActionScript and JavaScript are indeed programming languages, and prime examples of scripting languages.
[02:08] <Fuzzoom> Its more about making your own "user friendly" answers, correct?
[02:08] <Riviera> I don't think so, no.
[02:08] <Fuzzoom> lol
[02:09] <Riviera> That is, btw, the reason why I initially asked what your motivation behind all this is,
[02:09] <Riviera> because I had that feeling that for you Linux somehow is related to the command line.
[02:09] <Riviera> And with, hm, having to be an expert for using it.
[02:09] <Riviera> and all that :)
[02:09] <Fuzzoom> Well, I've made some fairly educated guesses, but I apparently still know hardly anything, to be able to guess. xD
[02:10] <Riviera> ah well, all these are anyway only my opinions, probably most the gurus would object 8)
[02:10] <Fuzzoom> Heh
[02:10] <Fuzzoom> Well I appreciate you taking time to assist me (or at least try to).
[02:10] <Riviera> So, you don't find the GUI that you are using "easy?"
[02:10] <Fuzzoom> Well I do...
[02:11] <Fuzzoom> but... there are some things
[02:11] <Riviera> You used Windows before?
[02:11] <Fuzzoom> like installing a flashplayer plugin for instance
[02:11] <Fuzzoom> yeah I'm mainly a windows kid
[02:11] <Fuzzoom> but simple tasks like that... can get very confusing when people on google have many different ideas of what to do...
[02:12] <Fuzzoom> many of which may work... but knowing what one to do... is... confusing
[02:12] <Riviera> I wanted to ask which things you feel hard in your Linux installation that before were natural to you in Windows.
[02:12] <Riviera> Yes, that's true.
[02:13] <Riviera> But hm, doesn't Ubuntu do about everything for you already when installing the flashplayer plugin?
[02:13] <Fuzzoom> Well I also read reviews when I go to do things, typically...
[02:13] <Fuzzoom> and it seemed that the normal application finder/installer thing wasn't given the best reviews
[02:14] <Riviera> ah, okay. hm.
[02:14] <Riviera> :)
[02:14] <Riviera> I don't bother much, maybe that's why I didn't notice :)
[02:14] <Fuzzoom> hehe
[02:14] <Riviera> Do you have other examples?
[02:14] <Riviera> Of things that feel complicated?
[02:14] <Fuzzoom> Hmm, maybe I should just write down and or ask questions as they pop up.
[02:15] <Fuzzoom> and maybe try out that python tutorial
[02:15] <Riviera> Sure, but I now did not ask to provide solutions, it was mainly for understanding your idea of what Linux is and why it makes you feel that you should bother with internals.
[02:16] <Riviera> Which is nothing bad per se, but should not be desired when one just wants to use a computer :)
[02:16] <Fuzzoom> Ok, well aside from intriguement in a different operating system from windows/mac... my main thought on using linux is...
[02:17] <Fuzzoom> Its free, and open source? and a lot more customizable... and some day it might be a lot more compatible with games I care most about.
[02:17] <Fuzzoom> So some day I might just switch completely over to it.
[02:18] <Riviera> time will tell :)
[02:18] <Fuzzoom> but yeah... the many many updates that microsoft keeps asking you to download...
[02:18] <Fuzzoom> gets pretty annoying
[02:18] <Riviera> hehe
[02:18] <Fuzzoom> and doesn't seem necessary
[02:18] <Riviera> yes, that sucks indeed :)
[02:18] <Fuzzoom> if people are smart enough to avoid making a few stupid mistakes
[02:19] <Fuzzoom> Oh and also, I here the resource management of linux systems is like way better... (err uses less RAM)
[02:20] <Riviera> mh.
[02:20] <Fuzzoom> Oh yeah, and I do like workspaces :D, I imagine they could be pretty useful
[02:20] <Fuzzoom> I've always kinda wanted to try out the linux cube :P
[02:21] <Riviera> That feels so, yes, but I cannot really say. I use relatively minimal environments in linux and have sadly no clue about recent windows.
[02:21] <Riviera> hehe
[02:21] <Riviera> linux cube ... that's still around? 8)
[02:21] <Fuzzoom> lol I think so
[02:21] <Fuzzoom> now you can do it as a cylinder too
[02:21] <Fuzzoom> Anyhow, I like getting new perspectives, and access to new resources.
[02:22] <Fuzzoom> Though with time I learn that some things... like website coding... can be pretty tedious, and just wasn't for me.
[02:22] <Riviera> Then don't much bother, just play around :)
[02:23] <Fuzzoom> Anyhow, as of right now... whenever application installations refer me to the terminal line to do stuff... I am like gah, idk what I'm doing >.<
[02:25] <Fuzzoom> I guess what'd be helpful for that is like a cheat sheet... like... cd = change direction /.. = search down two folders (made that one up kinda)... something like that
[02:25] <Fuzzoom> directory, not direction lol
[02:25] <Riviera> there are millions of documents like that out there
[02:25] <Fuzzoom> doh xD
[02:25] <Riviera> maybe one or two are good :)
[02:26] <Riviera> hmm.
[02:27] <Riviera> I really don't know of a good resource for that :/
[02:27] <Riviera> or well, maybe ask tomorrow again or so :)
[02:27] <Fuzzoom> hehe ok, I guess I'll google around a little
[02:28] <Fuzzoom> sounds like its hard for you guys to give simple suggestions for stuff like that.
[02:28] <Fuzzoom> since there are so many options out there.
[02:28] <Fuzzoom> (and since its probably so ancient and beaten into you, that you probably don't remember what ones you used)
[02:29] <Riviera> I mainly used the manpages.
[02:29] <Riviera> Stuff online usually sucks, it's usually wrong and such.
[02:29] <Riviera> err,
[02:29] <Riviera> I mean, when it's about the command line, shell scripting and so,
[02:29] <Riviera> not things online in general :)
[02:30] <Fuzzoom> ah ok
[02:30] <Fuzzoom> well man pages seems pretty cool
[02:31] <Fuzzoom> Seems easy enough to navigate with the find feature.
[02:31] <Fuzzoom> (find feature in firefox)
[02:31] <Riviera> ah, you read them in your browser?
[02:32] <Fuzzoom> Uh, atm yeah.
[02:32] <Fuzzoom> oh  I see... just looked at the wiki
[02:33] <Riviera> Hm? :)
[02:34] <Fuzzoom> yeah ok I have no idea where you'd normally find it xD
[02:34] <Fuzzoom> or what to enter anyways
[02:37] <Riviera> You mean, for reading a manpage?
[02:37] <Fuzzoom> yeah
[02:38] <Riviera> you'd, in your shell, in a terminal, use the command "man"
[02:38] <Riviera> like for getting the manpage of the command "man" itself, you'd type "man man"
[02:38] <Riviera> for help with the command "ls", type "man ls"
[02:38] <Riviera> also try "man intro"
[02:39] <Fuzzoom> oh ok... :]
[02:40] <Fuzzoom> so if I wanted to say... find out what cd meant via manual pages
[02:40] <Fuzzoom> could i do that?
[02:42] <Riviera> hmm.
[02:42] <Riviera> only if you are lucky
[02:42] <Riviera> "cd" is a command built in to your shell
[02:42] <Riviera> there are not always manpages for these commands
[02:43] <Riviera> on some systems there are, on some there are not :)
[02:44] <Fuzzoom> ah lol
[02:45] <Fuzzoom> ok the man intro does seem to be pretty helpful :D
[02:45] <Fuzzoom> good to know bout that :]
[02:46] <Fuzzoom> once you are into one of those, do you have to "terminal > reset" to clear out of it?
[02:46] <Riviera> type q
[02:46] <Riviera> it's a bit fancy,
[02:47] <Fuzzoom> oh coolio
[02:47] <Riviera> manpages are files
[02:47] <Riviera> uhm
[02:47] <Riviera> sheesh, I am too drunk 8)
[02:47] <Fuzzoom> so this is kinda like the help app thing in windows
[02:47] <Riviera> I mean, manpages are written in "mark-up" (remotely similar to html)
[02:47] <Fuzzoom> just kinda xD
[02:47] <Riviera> when you type "man <some manpage>"
[02:48] <Riviera> then, behind the scenes, this mark-up is rendered for your terminal,
[02:48] <Riviera> like doing all these fancy things, hyphenation, justification, deciding what to print in bold and so,
[02:49] <Riviera> (depending for example on the width of your terminal window)
[02:49] <Riviera> eventually displayed in a "pager"
[02:49] <Riviera> usually that pager is less
[02:49] <Riviera> which is the program that you interact with, in that you scroll up and down in that manpage
[02:49] <Riviera> and which is ended with pressing the q key :)
[02:50] <Fuzzoom> alright :P
[02:50] <Riviera> because of this complex insanity, it's also possible to create quite nicely typeset manpages for print
[02:50] <Riviera> and so 8)
[02:50] <Riviera> :))
[02:51] <Fuzzoom> well I am sure the man pages will be helpful to me :D
[02:52] <Fuzzoom> for the basics I want to / should know about the terminal
[02:52] <Fuzzoom> time go to make a lil document on my desktop to refer to to remember these crucial basic commands ^^
[02:54] <Riviera> making your own cheat sheet does not sound like the worst idea
[02:55] <Fuzzoom> ^^
[02:56] <Riviera> maybe see the documentation of the "coreutils"
[02:56] <Riviera> that usually is in info format which to learn for you would now be asked too much,
[02:56] <Riviera> but it should be online somewhere for easy browsing
[02:57] <Riviera> Fuzzoom: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Core_Utilities#Programs_included_in_coreutils
[03:02] <Fuzzoom> Hmm
[03:04] <Fuzzoom> Well I'll continue with my cheat sheet, and ask questions as I try to do common tasks. =]
[03:05] <Fuzzoom> (when I run into stuff idk)
[03:05] <Riviera> way to go :)
[03:05] <Riviera> Did you already write your first Python script? :)
[03:05] <Fuzzoom> I don't think so. xD
[03:06] <Fuzzoom> Oh... I forgot... I have seen a lil programming in filemaker... and on some graphic calculators for that matter
[03:06] <Fuzzoom> just a tiny bit though
[03:06] <Riviera> sheesh, what are you waiting for? :P
[03:07] <Riviera> If you feel the need to learn programming first, then learn programming first :)
[03:09] <Fuzzoom> It sounds like a good start... as long as I have "problems" it gives me to work through
[03:10] <Fuzzoom> *reading through the python.org tutorial now*
[03:12] <Fuzzoom> blah no, this one is too much reading without doing anything lol
[03:12] <Riviera> :)
[03:14] <Fuzzoom> Hooray, one with a lot of exercises for beginners like me. :D (at least I think it is)
[03:14] <Fuzzoom> http://learnpythonthehardway.org/book/
[03:17] <Riviera> Also see #python, they have some strong opinions about many python documents and surely many helpful hints.
[03:17] <Fuzzoom> ok I'll try to remember that
[03:19] <Fuzzoom> You know one cool example of trying a new app/technique that I did, was when I took an intro to flash class... I realized I could pretty easily make an entire calendar. :D
[03:20] <Fuzzoom> I suppose as you learn the skills, ideally the ideas will fly into your head, on how to use them.
[03:24] <Riviera> Yes, that's often so.
[03:24] <Riviera> Try to keep that, I imagine that can be lost during one's life.
[03:26] <Fuzzoom> Hehe
[03:26] <Fuzzoom> I don't think I will ever think learning new perspectives is a bad idea
[03:26] <Fuzzoom> though I may not be interested in learning certain perspectives. ;]
[03:27] <Fuzzoom> Err perspects/talents/skills... whatever you wanna call them
[03:27] <Riviera> ah no, I don't mean the learning itself
[03:27] <Riviera> I mean these ideas that fly when learning ;)
[03:28] <Fuzzoom> ah I'll try :P
[03:28] <Fuzzoom> Though I'm not naturally one of the more creative types, I don't think.
[03:29] <Riviera> How would you know :P
[03:29] <Riviera> :)
[03:30] <Fuzzoom> From experience trying out drawing, painting, photoshop, etc...
[03:37] <Fuzzoom> alrightie, I think its time to put chatzilla on my ubuntu firefox =P
[03:37] <Fuzzoom> gets a lil confusing doing it in windows and popping into ubuntu xD
[03:38] <Fuzzoom> but yeah doing a tutorial like this within ubuntu seems like just what I needed
[03:38] <Fuzzoom> I learn some programming, have some exercises to make sure I'm doing things right and understanding right... and if I only do it in ubuntu, I have more incentive to use ubuntu. =]
[03:48] <Fuzzoom_> Alright, I'm back, inside of my virtual OS. ;D
[03:49] <Riviera> welcome back ;)
[03:49] <Fuzzoom_> lol wow, adding unity really makes things confusing xD
[03:49] <Fuzzoom_> (merging windows 7 and ubuntu into same gui, cept for window edges)
[03:51] <Riviera> one gets used to that :)
[03:51] <Fuzzoom_> yeah suppose so
[03:55] <Riviera> laters :)
[04:00] <Fuzzoom_> you off for the night?
[04:06] <Fuzzoom_> Thanks again for the help. It took a while to get some answers that worked great for me, but I did get them, and have a better idea of how to utilize this chat now. =]
[05:58] <Guest96637> So I have installed 11.10 and have the machine hooked up to a Panasonic HD TV however for the screen is always stretched off what appears to be all four sides. I have tried different resolutions on the nVidia drivers. I have the latest restricted ones but no joy. This computer previously worked fin with windows
[05:59] <Guest96637> The resolution is set to 1920x1080
[06:03] <philipballew> Whats a good way to make a python script a deb I can install?
[06:06] <Snicksie> Guest96637, does the tv has something like 'auto configure'? does it have a setting where you can say 'i want 16:9' or 'i want 4:3' or whatever? :)
[06:06] <Snicksie> maybe you'll need additional settings on the tv :)
[06:07] <Guest96637> Yes gone through all that and always stretched
[06:07] <Guest96637> I should not say stretched just oversized outside of the visible area
[06:08] <Guest96637> Well the tv video card combo worked fine under windows
[06:08] <Snicksie> yeah, when I connect my tv to my laptop, it works great...
[06:09] <Snicksie> what setting do you choose, Guest96637 ? disabled; seperate x-screen; twinview ?
[06:09] <Guest96637> Separate X-screen
[06:10] <Snicksie> in the nvidia settings, you can set the panning too, i guess
[06:10] <Snicksie> is that the settings from your 'standard' monitor or the tv-screen? :)
[06:10] <Snicksie> advanced settings ;)
[06:11] <Guest96637> One sec
[06:11] <Guest96637> Ok so should I reduce the size under panning?
[06:11] <Snicksie> i'd try it :)
[06:12] <Guest96637> That seems a bit better
[06:12] <Snicksie> okay, nice ;)
[06:14] <Guest96637> Herm actually it will not let me apply it
[09:24] <shahanthegeek> I have just installed the ubuntu 11.10
[09:24] <shahanthegeek> but cannt install "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras"
[09:25] <shahanthegeek> http://paste.ubuntu.com/707853/
[09:31] <M0hi> shahanthegeek: you updated the machine?
[09:32] <M0hi> If not, try updating the machine and try
[09:32] <M0hi> ok bai
[09:45] <geirha> shahanthegeek: Try   sudo apt-get update   first
[09:48] <M0hi> geirha: He told that he updated twice :[
[09:49] <shahanthegeek> geirha: I did it
[09:49] <shahanthegeek> again I have updated using the Main Server as its source . But same issue :(
[09:50] <shahanthegeek> http://paste.ubuntu.com/707868/
[09:51] <shahanthegeek> At last the "ubuntu-restricted-extras" is downloading
[09:51] <shahanthegeek> that is installing
[09:52] <shahanthegeek> but the "sudo apt-get update" has not been updated completed :(
[09:52] <geirha> Hm. GPG errors
[09:53] <shahanthegeek> geirha: what does it mean?
[09:53] <geirha> It's unable to verify that the package lists are from a trusted source.
[09:54] <shahanthegeek> geirha: so, what should I do now?
[09:54] <geirha> Not sure. I don't know if the problem is with archive.ubuntu.com or with your install
[09:55] <shahanthegeek> hmm... Will it affect my ubuntu-restricted-extras installation as I am installing it right now ?
[09:56] <geirha> Could be some stale files in /var/lib/apt/lists
[09:57] <geirha> No, if it installs, it installs correctly.
[09:58] <geirha> You can try:  sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/* /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/*
[09:58] <geirha> And then   sudo apt-get update   again
[10:07] <shahanthegeek> geirha: ok... I will try this after my ubuntu-restricted-extras installation
[10:07] <shahanthegeek> geirha: tnx for your help :)
[10:08] <geirha> The rm will give a warning about partial being a directory. That's expected, so just ignore it.
[10:09] <shahanthegeek> geirha: ok
[12:44] <sd_ubuntu> Hi! I'm new at ubuntu community. Could I start some work with you?
[12:44] <sd_ubuntu> I read something about packaging
[13:23] <holstein> sd_ubuntu: i would try and find a project you would like to help
[13:26] <holstein> i help with ubuntustudio for example... though not as much as i would like
[13:27] <holstein> the ubuntu weekly newsletter team is a great place to help out as a non-coder, and get an idea of what is going on in the community
[14:03] <wiseqnet> does anyone here has tried oneiric 0celot
[15:11] <baudits> Im new to ubuntu. I tried to checkout some files from CVS. But i get a:  "cvs checkout: failed to obtain history lock in repository ....." error. can anyone help me with this error or tell me where to look or ask?
[15:17] <raubvogel> I am using pidgin right now. How do I tell it to stop creating a temporary window with the last reply to me?
[15:32] <w47331> i have an issue with my graphics not working correctly. Im new to linux and am confussed as to what to ask...any help to clear this up?
[15:36] <wiseqnet> ask @ #ubuntu
[15:37] <bioterror> w47331, you should tell us first what kind of gpu you have
[15:37] <bioterror> we cannot help if you dont tell us what's the issue and what kind of hardware you have
[15:38] <bioterror> just like with car, you tell your car's model and what are the symptons
[15:38] <bioterror> right?
[15:39] <w47331> srry im looking for the command
[15:39] <bioterror> lspci |less
[15:39] <bioterror> for example
[15:39] <w47331> ty!!!!lol
[15:39] <w47331> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/707773/
[15:41] <w47331> my video fr it says no support for texture found.DTX texture compression not required.
[15:44] <w47331> its driving me nuts....love ubuntu but cant play any games....and i love rfactor!!!
[15:45] <bioterror> oh well, i915 is not the fastest chipset for playing 3D games
[15:45] <w47331> but is there a fix for this?
[15:48] <bioterror> w47331, trying to google a little
[15:48] <bioterror> I just came back from work and I'm having a horrible headache
[15:48] <w47331> sorry to hear that....i just got over the flu...was down for 6 days
[15:49] <bioterror> w47331, does your screen flicker or what?
[15:52] <w47331> no it isnt being recongnized ass a 3d card i think...says no support for texture compression. DTXX texture compression required
[15:52] <w47331> *as
[15:52] <w47331> DXT
[15:53] <w47331> does ubuntu have anyting like teamviewer or VNC?
[15:54] <bioterror> !vnc
[15:54] <ubot2> VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[15:54] <bioterror> !freenx
[15:54] <ubot2> FreeNX is advanced remote desktop technology. For more information and install instructions, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX
[15:54] <w47331> sweet!!
[15:54] <w47331> think oyu would be willing to help remotly?
[15:54] <w47331> you*
[15:56] <bioterror> I dont help with remote connections
[15:56] <bioterror> and I'm still looking what's your problem
[15:57] <w47331> remote connection isnt my prob....my video isnt allowing me to play games
[15:58] <bioterror> is that a windows game
[15:58] <bioterror> or a native linux game?
[15:59] <w47331> yes i have wine...
[15:59] <w47331> win
[15:59] <bioterror> that rfactor is a game you play under wine?
[16:00] <w47331> im hoping to....
[16:00] <w47331> or am i going about it all wrong?
[16:00] <bioterror> would you like to answer to my question
[16:01] <w47331> ...um...yes?
[16:02] <bioterror> yeah, rfactor is a car game for windows
[16:02] <w47331> as i admited in my into ...im new to this all...and have only used windows in the past...so i hope i am answering your Q's as they are needed to be
[16:02] <w47331> right..
[16:02] <bioterror> problem must be some where in wine then
[16:03] <w47331> when i try to install the game it installs,, then it trys to config the video and says no support for texture compression. DTXX texture compression required
[16:04] <w47331> DTX*
[16:04] <bioterror> DXT?
[16:04] <w47331> yea..
[16:05] <w47331> srry
[16:05] <bioterror> sounds like you need a better graphics card then ;)
[16:06] <bioterror> buy xbox 360 and forza 4 for gaming ;)
[16:06] <w47331> im over microsoft....
[16:06] <w47331> then seems no help for this issue ?
[16:07] <bioterror> this appears to be a hardware related case, and I'm not a wine expert to be honest. I've played Fallout 1 and 2 under wine
[16:07] <bioterror> and that's all :-)
[16:07] <w47331> right on thank you for your time!!!
[16:08] <bioterror> np, have a nice weekend ;)
[16:08] <bioterror> you can probably play tuxracer! ;)
[16:08] <w47331> you too !!!!
[16:08] <w47331> im getten new card...any suggetions...my laptop is inpsiron 1545
[16:08] <bioterror> laptops arent good for gamin
[16:09] <w47331> baby crying bbif
[16:09] <w47331> ah!!!
[16:12] <IAmNotThatGuy> I think the issues is similar to http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11339095
[16:17] <w47331> was fresh install from dvd
[18:29] <AnNo3> Hi, I recently updated to 11.10 on my netbook and now it doesn't see any microphones. Any help, please?
[18:39] <zimio> hey y'all
[18:39] <zimio> does anybody know how to fix the thing when ubuntu thinks the disk is full but is not
[18:40] <bioterror> how it is full?
[18:40] <zimio> df -h
[18:40] <zimio> it says 96%
[18:40] <bioterror> okay
[18:40] <zimio> but it isn't / is only 6 gb full
[18:41] <zimio> btw have you been using gnome shell?
[18:41] <bioterror> All the time
[18:42] <zimio> that shit is sick
[18:43] <zimio> i have my /home in a different partition
[18:43] <zimio> bigger than the / partition
[18:45] <bioterror> does it say that you're out of space
[18:45] <bioterror> or just warns you're getting out of space?
[18:45] <zimio> it warns me
[18:45] <zimio> it freezes  some times
[18:45] <zimio> i have to rebooy
[18:46] <zimio> it won't login, then it does
[18:46] <zimio> take a look
[18:46] <zimio> http://imgur.com/ej3Xo
[18:47] <zimio> but then i do this:
[18:47] <zimio> $ df -h
[18:47] <zimio> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[18:47] <zimio> /dev/sda1              37G   34G  1.5G  96% /
[18:47] <zimio> udev                  2.0G  4.0K  2.0G   1% /dev
[18:47] <zimio> tmpfs                 799M  952K  798M   1% /run
[18:47] <zimio> none                  5.0M     0  5.0M   0% /run/lock
[18:47] <zimio> none                  2.0G  300K  2.0G   1% /run/shm
[18:47] <zimio> /dev/sda6             250G   99G  138G  42% /home
[18:47] <zimio> then i can't install programs for "lack of space"
[18:48] <bioterror> zimio, do 'sudo apt-get clean'
[18:48] <bioterror> and next time, pastebin, please ;)
[18:48] <zimio> yea i have done that the clean a couple of times in a row this day
[18:49] <bioterror> how can your system use 35GB :o
[18:49] <zimio> it doesn't if you check the disk analyzer in the pic
[18:49] <zimio> it only says that am using 10 gb
[18:49] <zimio> plus whatever is in home
[18:50] <bioterror> hmmm
[18:50] <bioterror> df hardly lies
[18:50] <zimio> hmmm am i in the twilight zone?
[18:51] <bioterror> or outerlimits!
[18:51] <zimio> nooooooooooo
[18:51] <bioterror> :D
[18:51] <bioterror> "do not try to adjust the tv" :D
[18:51] <bioterror> or how it was
[18:51] <zimio> man, i don't remember much about the show
[18:52] <zimio> it is mostly fuzzy for me
[18:52] <bioterror> but back to your problem
[18:52] <zimio> what can be done?
[18:52] <bioterror> hmm
[18:54] <Willex> hi
[18:55] <bioterror> I really cant figure out why it says it uses that much space, and that graphical thingie not
[18:55] <bioterror> Willex, moro
[18:55] <bodhi_zazen> zimio: something has to be using the space -)
[18:55] <Willex> anybody else have problems installing 11.10 through live USB
[18:55] <bodhi_zazen> check your logs - /var/log
[18:55] <bioterror> Willex, what kind of problem?
[18:56] <bodhi_zazen> 'lo bioterror
[18:56] <bioterror> hi bodhi
[18:56] <zimio> I'll get to the bottom of this
[18:56] <Willex> it just tells me there\s some sort of input output error and won\t finish the installation
[18:56] <zimio> even if it cost my afternoon!
[18:56] <Willex> yet the live USB works ok in itself
[18:57] <bioterror> Willex, you sure that the hdd okay?
[18:57] <Willex> but supposedly its messed up during the install
[18:57] <bioterror> Willex, sure you can: sudo du -h / |less
[18:57] <bioterror> sory Willex
[18:57] <bioterror> that was ment to zimio
[18:57] <Willex> well it was fine this evening lol
[18:57] <Willex> before I decicded to try this
[18:58] <Willex> urghhhhh
[18:58] <bioterror> Willex, can you check logs?
[18:58] <Willex> I should have known this wouldn\t be easy, there\s always something wrong with these installs
[18:58] <Willex> dunno what logs
[18:59] <Willex> I tried checking disk utility
[18:59] <Willex> it seemed ok
[18:59] <bioterror> hmmm /var/log/messages for example
[19:00] <Willex> if I can\t get this working then I\ll probably have to revert some earlier version I have stored somewhere
[19:02] <Willex> can using unetbootin cause install issues
[19:03] <Willex> ubuntu\s default one couldn\t create a working live USB for me
[19:03] <Willex> this one at least boots but it would be nice to get out of this limbo
[19:04] <bioterror> I made a working usb of lubuntu with imagewriter
[19:04] <bioterror> as you can now "dd" the image into usb stick
[19:07] <bodhi_zazen> zimio: use du and df , lol
[19:07] <zimio> ???
[19:07] <zimio> du and df?
[19:07] <zimio> use them how?
[19:08] <bodhi_zazen> Open a terminal
[19:08] <bodhi_zazen> cd /var
[19:08] <bodhi_zazen> du -h
[19:08] <bodhi_zazen> cd /tmp
[19:08] <bodhi_zazen> du -u
[19:08] <bodhi_zazen> cd /
[19:08] <bodhi_zazen> df -h
[19:08] <zimio> alright ;-)
[19:09] <Willex> errno 5 input out error
[19:10] <zimio> bodhi_zazen, du: invalid option -- 'u'
[19:11] <bodhi_zazen> -h
[19:11] <zimio> bodhi_zazen, same results as before
[19:11] <bodhi_zazen> You have to find what is taking up all that space
[19:11] <bodhi_zazen> How big are your logs ?
[19:11] <bodhi_zazen> cd /var/log
[19:11] <zimio> ok
[19:11] <bodhi_zazen> du -h
[19:11] <Willex> oh hooray i\m not alone lol http://askubuntu.com/questions/65946/errno-5-input-output-error-while-installing-11-10
[19:12] <zimio> my logs are 29M
[19:12] <zimio> i don't know what is taking all that space
[19:13] <zimio> some programs say it is nothing
[19:13] <zimio> and df says it is something but it doesn't tell me where it is
[19:13] <bodhi_zazen> keep looking
[19:13] <bodhi_zazen> try /tmp
[19:13] <bioterror> /var/tmp too
[19:14] <zimio> /var/tmp is only 456MB
[19:14] <bioterror> :o
[19:14] <bioterror> how you have there stuff?-)
[19:14] <bodhi_zazen> LOL
[19:15] <bodhi_zazen> that is a ton of stuff, what is it
[19:15] <bioterror> and /var/tmp never gets empty
[19:15] <bioterror> unles you clean it yourself
[19:15] <zimio> some kdecache
[19:15] <zimio> that's whats taking space
[19:15] <zimio> but the disk analyzer tells me that
[19:16] <zimio> that's not new information, it all amounts to 10 gb
[19:16] <zimio> which isn't that bad
[19:16] <zimio> but that's according that program...
[19:17] <zimio> i think df -h is also counting the /home, which is another partition
[19:17] <zimio> and it gets bads results because of that
[19:18] <zimio> then gnome programs and apt-get, use df -h and panic because they don't see enough space
[19:18] <bioterror> no
[19:18] <bioterror> Filesystem                                              Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[19:18] <bioterror> /dev/sda4                                               1,8T  1,7T   48G  98% /home
[19:18] <bioterror> it's a completely different partition and it's shown different
[19:18] <bioterror> /dev/disk/by-uuid/d75c55de-e6f7-4092-a8e4-5202974fcec5  9,7G  6,8G  2,4G  75% /
[19:18] <bioterror> as you can see
[19:19] <zimio> is there an option for df recursively look tell me the space of directories?
[19:19] <bioterror> sudo du -h / |less
[19:22] <zimio> thanks  dudes, i'll get back to work
[19:22] <zimio> somehow i'll crack this mystery today
[19:23] <bodhi_zazen> Keep looking with du and df =_
[19:24] <zimio> alright, thanks
[19:26] <Willex> honestly this is now downright ridiculous, some people have solved this errno 5 by taking off ram modules, wtf
[19:26] <bioterror> hahahaha
[19:26] <Willex> how random of an error can this be
[19:26] <Willex> take off your ram
[19:26] <Willex> bloody hell
[19:26] <bioterror> install 11.04 and do-release-upgrade :D
[19:27] <Willex> arent the upgrades a bit screwy
[19:27] <bioterror> no?
[19:27] <Willex> compared to fresh isntall
[19:27] <Willex> I always read that it isnt recommended
[19:27] <Willex> hmm
[19:27] <bioterror> are we using a GNU/Linux or Windows 98?-)
[19:28] <Willex> 98 would be a nice retro flashback
[19:34] <bioterror> and do-release-upgrade wont give you io error's ;)
[23:02] <sebsebseb> hi