lamontdoko: any thoughts on bug 873515?00:05
ubottuLaunchpad bug 873515 in lazr.uri (Ubuntu) "installing python-lazr.batchnavigator renders "import lazr.uri" unusable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87351500:05
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* hyperair groans. irssi is so hard to use now that my alt+` key has been hijacked by unity.01:41
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TheMusohyperair: Working here for me in unity-2d.01:54
hyperairTheMuso: alt-grave is getting in my way =\01:55
hyperairTheMuso: alt-grave is my keybinding for active-window01:55
hyperairactive_window i mean01:55
hyperairand typical unity style, it's beautifully hardcoded inside the code so i can't disable it01:56
TheMusoAh ok.01:59
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pittiSpamapS: for important ones I think we can be a little more lenient, because a lot more devs are running -proposed as well now and report problems; but in general the standard rules apply05:18
didrocksgood morning05:37
dholbachgood morning06:30
pitticjwatson: is someone already merging dpkg? if not, want me to?06:32
slangasekpitti: cjwatson has said he's taking care of it06:47
pittislangasek: ok, thanks06:47
slangasekas there are bits that need reverting and he knows what they are, I'd wait for him06:47
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siretarterr, do we officially support natty->oneiric upgrades? I was under the impressen not, but bug #859373 seems to imply so.07:15
ubottuLaunchpad bug 859373 in network-manager (Ubuntu Oneiric) "flashplugin-installer upgrade failed during Oneiric upgrade" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/85937307:15
gesersiretart: how else should an upgrade from natty to oneiric be done?07:16
RAOFsiretart: We don't support maverick?oneiric upgrades (without going through natty), but how else would natty users be able to update? :)07:21
siretartgeser: err, sorry. not enough coffee yet, today.07:21
siretartI mixed the order of natty and maverick07:21
pittiOdyX: cups should already recognize PPDs in /usr/share/ppd/; dh_pyppd putting PPDs into /usr/lib/cups/driver/ sounds seriously wrong, as PPDs are not drivers07:30
OdyXpitti: please amend the wikipage, I can't focus on that today (sorry).07:30
pittiOdyX: ah, sure07:30
doko_lamont, hmm, no, doesn't tell me much07:31
OdyXpitti: http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/Printing/RethinkingTheStack fwiw07:31
pittiOdyX: right, that's what I'm reading ATM07:31
OdyXgreat; thanks for your proofreading !07:32
pittiOdyX: done, left some remarks there; the stuff that I don't commented on looks good to me; thanks!07:37
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doko_barry, ^^^ bug bug 873515 ?07:45
ubottuLaunchpad bug 873515 in lazr.uri (Ubuntu) "installing python-lazr.batchnavigator renders "import lazr.uri" unusable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87351507:45
doko_lamont, hmm, can't see it on osageorange anymore07:53
OdyXpitti: now that I got drawned into looking into this; will Cups look in /usr/share/ppd/compressed/* or only under /usr/share/ppd/ ?08:33
pittiOdyX: all subdirs; there are already a few08:46
OdyXpitti: hmm. Does it look for "compressed" PPDs ?08:46
OdyXpitti: it doesn't seem to, at least here.08:46
pittiOdyX: perhaps it additionally needs the /usr/lib/cups/driver/foomatic-db-compressed-ppds driver?08:47
pittiOdyX: I had assumed that foomatic-db-compressed-ppds actually shipped somethign like *.ppd.gz08:47
pittibut it doesn't seem to08:47
pittiso perhaps I misunderstood this package entirely then08:48
OdyXpitti: foomatic-db-compressed-ppds is a pyppd-compressed archive of PPDs08:48
OdyXpyppd creates a python script with an embedded base64'ed xz-archive08:48
OdyXthen you can "execute" it to either get the list or extract a specific PPD08:48
OdyXthat's probably why tkamppeter put the compressed PPDs as "Cups drivers" at the first place.08:51
tkamppeterpitti, OdyX, CUPS searches /usr/share/ppd recursively for ready-made PPDs, uncompressed or single PPD file gzipped, it searches /usr/lib/cups/driver/ for executables which are PPD generators ("<excutable> list" has to list all PPDs the generator is capable to generate, <executable cat <PPD UIRI>" generates the requested PPD on stdout), and it searches /usr/share/cups/drv/ for .drv files, which are source files for CUPS' PPD compiler, pp09:05
tkamppeterdc. All this CUPS reports as available PPDs (via "lpinfo -m" or equivalent IPP requests from printer setup tools).09:05
OdyXtkamppeter: okay, is there a reason "PPD generators" are cups-specific ?09:06
tkamppeterOdyX, no. If they do not link against libcups they work perfectly well with no piece of CUPS installed. A non-CUPS printer setup tool (does such a thing exist as an upstream-maintained free software?) has only to find all the PPD generators, and run them with 'list' and 'cat' as described. PPDs itself can be used with non-CUPS spoolers using foomatic-rip.09:10
OdyXtkamppeter: couldn't they be shipped under /usr/share/ppd/generators/ and have cups look there then ?09:10
OdyX.oO(Especially when the content is not architecture-specific (/usr/lib/). )09:12
tkamppeterOdyX, this would require CUPS to be patched, then better symlink to /usr/lib/cups/driver. Another problem is that CUPS produces error messages when anything which is not .ppd or .ppd.gz is in the /usr/share/ppd/ tree.09:12
tkamppeterOdyX, how are non-CUPS Debian users setting up printers? Are there special tools which they use?09:13
tkamppeterOsyX, and which non-CUPS spoolers are actively maintained and supported under Debian?09:14
OdyXtkamppeter: honestly, I don't really know (nor care), but I just feel that putting non-cups-specific PPDs under /usr/lib/ … cups/ is wrong and should be fixed.09:14
OdyXtkamppeter: I guess lpr is the only one, but don't know really.09:14
directhexhmph. what's the process for debugging audio issues?09:14
tkamppeterOdyX, which flavor of lpr, LPRng or some old LPD thingy?09:18
OdyX"lpr" was last uploaded as NMU and hasn't evolved since oldstable; "lprng" was maintainer-updated since stable but is "RFA", "gnuspool" is new to wheezy09:22
OdyXtkamppeter: that's not important I'd say; what stays is that Debian hasn't taken a decision to go Cups-only (and will probably not), so I'm very fine to drop PPDs in favor of pre-processed drivers, those should just be available (too) under a known place09:23
tkamppeterpitti, as you have passed cups and s-c-p to -updates, can you approve the next -proposed packages of cups and s-c-p today? Thanks.09:24
tkamppeterOdyX, what is "RFA"?09:25
pittitkamppeter: cups yes; s-c-p is still in proposed; it's not a critical bug and had large changes, so we should wait the full 7 days09:25
OdyXtkamppeter: "request for adoption", it's the step before "Orphaned"09:26
tkamppeterOdyX, so it means that it is unmaintained and Debian is searching for a maintainer?09:30
OdyXtkamppeter: RFA means it's maintained but the maintainer is looking out for someone to take over maintainership (There's no such thing as "Debian is searching" :->)09:31
tkamppeterOdyX, looking at downloadable gnuspool releases upstream, it seems that this is the most recent attempt to introduce a new printing system but the upstream authors have already given up again, as there is now one year without new releases.09:34
OdyXtkamppeter: yes, and ? My opinion is: if we can do non-cups-specifics, we should.09:36
tkamppeterOdyX, OK, so let us move the compressed PPDs into a CUPS-neutral place and symlink them to /usr/lib/cups/driver/10:01
OdyXtkamppeter: what about /usr/share/ppd/compressed/ + patching cups to avoid warnings there ?10:11
tkamppeterOdyX, would be a solution, pitti, WDYT?10:12
tkamppeterOdyX, did you say anything else in the last few minutes? I rebooted after my upgrade to Oneiric.10:13
OdyXtkamppeter: no10:14
jkbyspitti, could you take a look at bug 873401?10:25
ubottuLaunchpad bug 873401 in ubuntu-defaults-builder (Ubuntu) "Check disc for defects failed with a iso images built using ubuntu-defaults-image" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87340110:25
pittijkbys: I saw it, will have a look at some point10:26
jkbyspitti, thank you10:26
DavieyHas merges.ubuntu.com been updated for P-Series?10:27
FourDollarsHow to push this patch into SRU of 11.10 ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ibus-chewing/+bug/87402810:28
ubottuUbuntu bug 874028 in ibus-chewing (Ubuntu) "The preferences window of ibus-chewing crashed after clicking save button." [Undecided,In progress]10:28
tkamppeterpitti, can accept the proposed SRU for bug 872527? Thanks.10:49
ubottuLaunchpad bug 872527 in cups (Ubuntu Precise) "InputSlot PPD option generally does not work in CUPS 1.5.x" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87252710:49
pittiyes, yes -- I don't run SRUs every hour, sorry10:50
pittitkamppeter: done10:51
tkamppeterpitti, thanks.10:53
OdyXtkamppeter, pitti: we need to discuss this more in-depth; I'll send a mail to debian-printing@l.d.o CC'ing the maintainers of the various print spoolers we mentionned to gather more opinions.11:16
lamontdoko_: you may need to reinstall one of the packages inside that chroot again11:26
lamontdoko_: I don't remember if I left it broken or not11:26
cjwatsonpitti: I'm a fairly substantial amount of the way through the dpkg merge now11:30
* doko_ curses the libnih1 use of private glibc symbols12:03
htorquehello all! stuff uploaded to oneiric-proposed won't show up in precise, right?12:05
infinityhtorque: Not by default, but you can request it to be copied over.12:06
infinityhtorque: Though, usually, you want newer upstream versions in precise anyway.12:06
htorqueinfinity: thanks for the info :-)12:06
pittihtorque: in the first days, we'll copy oneiric-proposed to both -updates and precise (as long as the versions are equal and we are still frozen)12:14
pittito ensure we don't drop patches12:14
infinitypitti: Yeah, but that "first few days" bit isn't exactly well-documented. ;)12:15
infinityIt just sort of happens until it stops happening.12:15
htorquepitti: i just asked because i wanted to test the -proposed fix for bug 858056 and i'm already on precise on one system (don't ask why :P).12:16
ubottuLaunchpad bug 858056 in unity-lens-applications (Ubuntu) "Dash - "Apps Available for Download" recommends a program that is already installed" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/85805612:16
htorquebut the question is answered here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-applications/+publishinghistory12:16
pittihtorque: ah, I copy stuff to -proposed after verification12:16
pittii. e. at the same time as to -updates12:16
* apw just tried to upgrade a natty box to oneiric using the popup box from update-manager, and it said that it couldn't do it cause i likely had unresolable package problems, any idea how to find out what the underlying packages even are12:45
mvoapw: could you pastebin your /var/log/dist-uprade/apt.log please?12:48
apwmvo, http://paste.ubuntu.com/707977/ ... note i am doing a dist-upgrade now to the latest natty packages to ensure its not related to that, just in case that has changed the log12:53
sd_ubuntu__Hi! I'm new at ubuntu community. Could I start a work with you?12:55
OdyXsd_ubuntu__: as in all free software communities: find an itch to scratch, then scratch it.12:57
sd_ubuntu__OdyX: but I read the code of conduct and it should collaborate. I just wanna help in something free that I received12:59
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sd_ubuntu__OdyX: but I'd like to know where it nedds more help12:59
sd_ubuntu__(sorry if my english is not good)12:59
sd_ubuntu__*we should collaborate13:00
apwsd_ubuntu__, there really is everything available, and all of it needs help, so it really is about what interests you as you won't stay doing something for nothing that you don't like doing13:01
sd_ubuntu__apw: ok. I'd like to packaging ...13:03
mvoapw: so it seems its rather unhappy about the flashplugin, if you provie the /var/log/dist-upgrade/*apt-clone* file I will try to reproduce and see if I can find a global solution13:03
sd_ubuntu__apw: but I think is a work to do together...13:03
apwmvo, on it13:04
apwmvo, in pm13:06
Davieyslangasek: We are getting a flurry of bugs regarding the samba issue.13:20
jdstrand@pilot in13:28
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Davieyslangasek / infinity: 28 dupes, bug 86212913:59
ubottuLaunchpad bug 862129 in samba (Ubuntu) "samba postrm depends on packages not guaranteed to be configured" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/86212913:59
bdrunghow long will precise be frozen?14:15
cjwatsonbdrung: shouldn't be too much longer, but dpkg does need to build14:16
bdrungcjwatson: ETA? hours or days?14:17
cjwatsonnot really in the mood for a mad rush and time estimates and all that at the moment, after the release sprint14:17
cjwatsonapw: are you folks expecting to upload a new linux-libc-dev before precise opens for general uploads?14:19
apwcjwatson, i was expecting a kernel upload shortly, but i am currently unsure if the current kernel is tested14:21
apwi assume that the tool chain as it is now, wasx built with the old one too14:22
cjwatsonwell, um14:22
cjwatsonthinking about it I don't know what was in the PPA it was built in14:22
cjwatsonhttps://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-toolchain-r/+archive/ppa doesn't have a kernel14:22
cjwatsonand no extra dependencies there, so yeah, it would have built against oneiric's kernel14:23
apwcjwatson, in theory at least linux-libc-dev is backwards compatible so i don't think it matters ...14:23
cjwatsonI don't mind leaving it for later14:24
apwcjwatson, yeah i don't think there is sufficient difference to worry about, and we'll have cycles round compiler and kernel in the next weeks14:25
apwwe should have a get together at UDS with doko to work out what the best order is and how we can achieve that in combination with the toolchain pre-preparation14:26
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cjwatsonbdrung: ... also I plan to knock off early today and vanish for the weekend, so if we're opening, somebody else is going to do it :-)14:29
pittibdrung: note that you can already upload, if you want to get stuff off your hard disk14:31
bdrungpitti: will that end up in the new queue?14:31
pittibdrung: no, in unapproved14:31
pittibdrung: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+queue?queue_state=114:32
bdrungah, ok14:32
pittibdrung: we'll flush that once precise opens14:32
pittibdrung: unless it's actually NEW, of course (state=0)14:32
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ntr0pyIs there a way to get Gnome3 to use BGR instead of RGB subpixel rendering?14:42
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debfxpitti: would you approve bug #873396 for a SRU?14:48
ubottuLaunchpad bug 873396 in kubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu Precise) "akonadi shouldn't be launched on startup" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87339614:48
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lamontis there some way under compiz to convince it that just because I launched a terminal window, does not mean that I want it to have focus?15:04
dokokees, I don't understand yet https://launchpadlibrarian.net/82793515/buildlog_ubuntu-precise-armel.eglibc_2.15~pre1-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz15:04
dokofrom https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-toolchain-r/+archive/test/+packages15:05
keesdoko: hunh. looks like a static build? the _guard is the value that the stack protector looks for when checking for overflow, which means it wasn't included in the linkage...15:20
keesdoko: I wonder what changed15:20
dokokees, yes, but anything is built with -fno-stack-protector -U_FORTIFY_SOURCE15:22
keesdoko: yeah, that's really odd15:23
kees /build/buildd/eglibc-2.15~pre1/resolv/gethnamaddr.c:974: undefined reference to `__stack_chk_guard'15:23
keeswhat's actually on that line of the code?15:24
keesI wonder if they started using the _guard for non-stack purposes15:24
dokoand apparently it's ARM only15:24
davmor2any audio guru's about?  I have a huge issue on oneiric fresh install,  skype/mumble/voip I sound like a chipmunk worked perfectly in natty :(15:40
directhexdholbach, off the top of your head, do you know what software is used for the irc bot during UDW? the one that collects questions in one channel, which the session leader can then page through & have show up in the moderated channel?15:55
dholbachjussi, ^ do you know?15:56
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cjwatsonhave fun15:59
cjwatsonoh dear, sync-source is busted16:01
pittiyay precise16:01
Davieyerm, is -changes mailing list working properly?16:11
DavieyAh, i'm being a bit unfair, it was only shown 9 mins ago.16:12
jussidirecthex: I dont know, but nhandler did a lot of work with it. I suspect it was rbot, but I could be totally off with that. Im pretty sure its not supybot though.16:21
frewsxcvis there any reason why ubuntu hasn't updated their releases in their rsync mirror?16:35
cjwatsonfrewsxcv: could you be more specific?16:37
dobeyshould We bug someone to get a couple SRUs that were supposedly going to be 0-day, copied over to oneiric-updates? :)16:39
cjwatsonfrewsxcv: I'm not seeing anything obviously out of date ...16:39
frewsxcvhttp://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu-releases/oneiric/ pulls from rsync://<country-code>.archive.ubuntu.com/releases16:39
frewsxcvas does my mirror http://mirrors.calpoly.edu/ubuntu-releases16:39
cjwatsonubuntu-releases should be pulling from rsync.releases.ubuntu.com, not rsync.archive.ubuntu.com16:40
cjwatsonI have no idea what <countrycode>.archive.ubuntu.com/releases might happen to point to :-)16:40
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cjwatsonthe primary rsync mirror of releases definitely has 11.10 on it16:42
frewsxcvcjwatson: what is the rsync module for rsync.releases.ubuntu.com16:42
cjwatsonreleases, I believe16:42
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cjwatson#ubuntu-mirrors might be able to help more with mirroring specifics16:42
cjwatson(since there may be something better than you pulling directly across the Atlantic; I can't see what us.releases.ubuntu.com::releases/ currently has since it's hit its client limit16:43
frewsxcvthanks cjwatson16:45
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smoserTheMuso, mdeslaur i think that merge request at https://code.launchpad.net/~psusi/ubuntu/natty/gnome-power-manager/fix-duplicate-battery/+merge/67466 should be moved to 'merged', right?17:48
smoseras it seemed to be only relevant for natty and is fixed there.17:49
mdeslaursmoser: yep17:52
mdeslaursmoser: I don't have the required magic wand to change that17:52
smosernor do i17:52
smoseri guess maybe that is bug 72801217:53
ubottuLaunchpad bug 728012 in Launchpad itself "ubuntu developers are not able to reject merge proposals on official packaging branches they can upload to" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72801217:53
mdeslaursmoser: ah, yes, thanks for the bug link17:59
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Quintasanpitti: Can I have you accept two uploads for bug #872506 ?18:11
ubottuLaunchpad bug 872506 in kde4libs (Ubuntu Oneiric) "SRU tracking bug for KDE 4.7.2" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87250618:11
jdstrandQuintasan, pitti: hold on on that one18:12
jdstrandthis needs patches for a security update18:13
Quintasanjdstrand: Which one exactly?18:13
* jdstrand is getting them18:13
Quintasanjdstrand: Which package needs patches? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging <- we have this many :)18:14
QuintasanI see18:14
debfxjdstrand: which security update? bug #857437?18:15
ubottuLaunchpad bug 857437 in kde4libs (Ubuntu) "Embargoed security issue (until 10/3)" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/85743718:15
jdstranddebfx: yes18:16
jdstrandI attached the debdiff I am using for 4.7.1 to the bug18:16
debfxjdstrand: I'm pretty sure the fix is included in 4.7.218:16
jdstrandI checked the debdiff in LP. let me recheck18:16
Quintasanquick google shows that 4.7.2 has it18:17
jdstrandhmm, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/82652015/kde4libs_4%3A4.7.2-0ubuntu1_4%3A4.7.2-0ubuntu2.diff.gz is less than complete18:17
jdstrandQuintasan, debfx: ah, well if it has them, please respond to my comment in the bug and ignore me :)18:18
* Quintasan researches futher18:18
debfxjdstrand: that's just a follow-up upload, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/82564105/kde4libs_4%3A4.7.1-0ubuntu3_4%3A4.7.2-0ubuntu1.diff.gz is the 4.7.1->4.7.2 diff18:19
jdstrandoh, I missed that18:19
jdstrandlet me look18:19
jdstrandok, yes, it has it18:21
jdstrandpitti, debfx, Quintasan: ignore me. 4.7.2 is fine18:21
broderslangasek: oh geez. i think i figured out what vmware is doing that's breaking everything18:32
slangasekbroder: right, yes, that was actually clear to me; sorry for not communicating it18:38
broderslangasek: ok; i didn't know if you had seen the actual code in question or not. unfortunately, i don't see any good way to trick the installer into doing something reasonable18:39
slangasek(the nature of the damage to rc6.d was apparent on first glance)18:39
slangasekno, there's no good way to trick it18:39
slangasekit needs to be stabbed in the face18:39
slangasekcalling insserv is not an acceptable thing for any package to do18:40
broderwill my system still function if i move the insserv binary out of the way?18:40
slangasekAFAIK yes18:41
slangaseksince insserv is only meant to be called by update-rc.d, and only if the .legacy-bootordering flag is *not* set18:41
SpamapShmm... since ScottK is taking a break, who will take charge over backports?18:48
Laneythe rest of the team18:53
Laneybut it would be good to have another administrator18:53
Laneysomeone needs to make oneiric-backports ...18:53
* Laney does18:53
Laneythere we go18:57
smoserpitti, wonder if you're ok with me uploading https://code.launchpad.net/~evfool/jockey/stringfixes/+merge/73737 just to finish it off ?20:11
smoseractually, never mind. ill let you handle that.20:14
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