[00:43] lol, I just ran htop on my server "Uptime: 107 days(!)" [00:43] that little ! makes me laugh :P [00:58] compress=lzo as an option for my btrfs home partition is not working, what am I doing wrong? [01:08] no worries sorted. [04:33] im a Lint user mainly, but used ubuntu for a long time, how are the ppl who updated finding 11.10? im thinking of triple booting [04:34] Mint* === daveeee is now known as sammmm [05:42] heyyy [05:42] Ubuntu 11.10 is out yayayayyayayay :D [05:42] Downloading now :D [05:51] Ubuntu Ocelot Release Google+ Hangout - [Live] http://j.mp/qzpYDB [05:54] Anyone out tonight in Swansea? [06:38] Morning, so I'm still struggeling with synaptic not running under 11.10. Found out it's related to a segfault in /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libc-2.13.so only I can't find out which package is providing that file. [06:40] Anyone a tip on how to search for the package with the help of apt-get (there is a reason why I want to use synaptic you see since I'm NOT blessed with apt-get foo ;) ) [06:42] dpkg -S /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libc-2.13.so [06:42] thanks AlanBell [06:42] strange that http://packages.ubuntu.com can't find it though [06:44] I mean the file not libc6 [06:47] Morning all. Any sore heads this morning? [06:48] * AlanBell is fineish [06:48] :-) === imexil1 is now known as imexil [07:32] hi folks [07:34] hi dwatkins [07:34] Morning all [07:36] morning - how'd the release partay go? [07:46] * BigRedS is sure he spent more time in a tube tunnel than in the pub last night... === AlanBell changed the topic of #ubuntu-uk to: Welcome to #ubuntu-uk! http://ubuntu-uk.org | This channel is publicly archived http://irclogs.ubuntu.com | Mailing List http://tinyurl.com/uukml | Support Guidelines http://tinyurl.com/uuksupport | Meeting 20th October 21:00 UK time #ubuntu-uk-meeting | YES it is out! [07:53] AlanBell: I think http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1206051 is my problem [07:55] Morning all [07:56] Pendulum: ok, so you need to run fsck on the drive of the virtual machine [07:56] yeah [07:57] did it say the drive was read only? [07:57] sudo touch /forcefsck <- try that [07:58] it will either work, and do the fsck after a reboot, or tell you the drive is read only [08:03] it did the fsck after reboot, but has not fixed issue [08:04] I'm going to try recovery mode on a live cd next [08:04] Coworker had the NVidia driver enabled (and Unity) in 11.04, then upgraded to 11.10 and during the upgrade Unity became unresponsive [08:04] That's unfixable, because the NVidia driver breaks text-consoles as well :| [08:04] ugh [08:05] at least this isn't an upgrade bug [08:05] it's probably a "my laptop hates me" bug ;) [08:06] (have ubuntu in VM on MacOS, laptop neglected to tell me it was running out of power and just shut down, ever since I turned it back on, it just gives me a black screen part way through booting Ubuntu. I'm guessing it's because the Ubuntu instance shut down "incorrectly") [08:07] Pendulum: might be something in /var/log/xorg.0.log [08:12] Has anybody looked at or bought one of these http://www.reghardware.com/2011/10/14/whsmith_signs_kobo_to_battle_amazon_kindle/ Just wondering how it compares with teh kindle, seems to have one major benefit in letting you use epub files === dan1 is now known as sammmm [08:13] DJones, is that really a major benefit? at least, never found it a hindrance [08:13] gord: Most of my ebooks are in epub format [08:13] DJones, calibre :) it manages your ebooks and auto converts to whatever your device needs [08:13] the touch screen on that thing looks interesting, but you'd really have to have a play with it to know if you like it i think [08:15] gord: I know, I use it to convert anything I get to epub to read on my phone up to now, but converting a 1000 or so books to a kindle format could be a bit time consuming if I bought one of them [08:16] DJones, well, thats the fun part, not really. it knows what format the kindle require, so you just tell it to put the books on your kindle and does everything for you [08:16] AlanBell: any idea what I might be looking for? [08:17] gord: Right, didn't realise that [08:17] yeah, calibre is a life saver :) [08:17] Pendulum: something that looks errorish [08:17] possibly near the end [08:21] no errors near the end [08:22] aloha [08:25] the only error I'm finding that doesn't immediately have a line of "disregard error" after it is "/dev/fb0: no such file or directory", but I'm not sure what the connection is since searching seems to mostly give me that error once people are actually running programs [08:27] I thought gnome classic was going to be removed from ubuntu 11.10? [08:29] andyc: it isn't on the disk [08:35] I take it back it's jus tin the list of window managers for some reason [08:35] Maybe because I installed gnome-shell [08:36] yup, that would probably do it [08:37] AlanBell: was that aimed at me? [08:37] Pendulum: no, at andyc [08:38] okay, didn't think so, but was checking [08:38] Pendulum: /dev/fb0 is the framebuffer, not sure why it would be missing, or what to do :( [08:38] popey: might know [08:38] maybe it shut down in the middle of a kernel upgrade and the initrd is broken? [08:39] MartijnVdS: wasn't upgrading anything. Only even had irssi and firefox open [08:39] Happy morning after, everyone! It's Friday! :D [08:43] Pendulum: weird! [08:48] morning all [08:48] aloha [08:58] GB mirrors still going slow? [08:58] smittix: thats what I see at the moment [09:00] jamespage: :/ [09:07] Good morning peeps :) [09:07] good morning everyone. [09:08] \o brobostigon [09:08] MartijnVdS: o/ === frz is now known as Guest93782 === Guest93782 is now known as fr-z [09:11] morning. has anyone made the upgrade from ubuntustudio to 11.10? [09:18] Yes, mostly works well so far [09:18] (on my laptop) [09:18] Though the Archive Manager wants to open everything [09:18] *grumble* [09:18] Having to set up the default apps for different file types is irritating [09:19] Also, dropbox needs to be updated from the CLI as root, otherwise the GUI will just sit there and do nothing. [09:21] bigcalm but wasnt the gnome 2 removed? if so, like it was expected, what do they use now? [09:25] * oimon eating a biscuit made by my 20 month old toddler. not bad. he made me a nice beef casserol the other day too [09:29] fr-z: yes, gnome 2 is no more. The default is now Unity [09:29] Takes some getting used to. I'm giving this new version a month [09:32] but thats ubuntu not studio [09:32] "Ubuntu Studio does not currently use Unity as it is transitioning to XFCE. " [09:32] The thing that put me off the most about Unity is that everything is full screen by default. Un-maximising is the way forward [09:32] I'm sorry, I miss-read your initial line [09:33] everything is not fullscreen by default on desktop [09:36] Blurrgh, who set the default fixed-width font in Oneiric to "large and ugly" [09:37] bigcalm, ali1234 everything is fullscreen by default, *if* unity thinks you are on a netbook [09:37] which is generally a machine that has a vertical resolution < 700 or so [09:37] And who stole the font config panel‽ [09:37] gnome [09:37] install gnome-tweak-tool [09:37] but that installs all of Gnome 3 [09:38] looks like they are bringing it back for the next gnome version though, hopefully [09:38] * awilkins bangs ctrl-c [09:38] MartijnVdS: open a packaging bug then [09:38] its not a packaging bug, tweak-tool relies on shell, it brings in shell which brings in a bunch more stuff [09:38] why does it rely on shell? [09:38] good use of the interrobang awilkins :) [09:38] it doesn't rely on it to run [09:39] for the shell extensions part iirc [09:39] AlanBell, Why thank you, I saw it on QI and decided it needed a resurgence [09:39] the shell extensions part is empty... [09:39] yeah you'd have to install some [09:39] i don't know how [09:40] i don't even use gnome shell [09:41] What are GNOME smoking... we get an "online accounts" tool that ... doesn't integrate chat, mail, or anything else when you configure it. And they take away the font config panel. [09:41] awilkins: For the greater good! [09:42] The greater good of people who enjoy being driven cross-eyed by their terminal, maybe... [09:42] What is that font anyway, Ubuntu? [09:43] The u and n say yes [09:44] well technically you should be able to change the font in the terminal app too [09:44] awilkins: remember the heyday of gnome 2 when you couldn't configure it? [09:44] that's what Gnome3 is aiming for [09:46] gord, You can change the font in the terminal app, which is nice. But it rather defeats the point of having system-wide font config. And for some reason, XChat thinks the system terminal font is something other than the one being used in the terminal by default .. [09:47] awilkins: it is the ubuntu mono font [09:48] i hope ubuntu studio with xfce goes well because unity and gnome 3 are a complete usability fail [09:48] AlanBell, Whoever decided that it was a good idea for the terminal font needs shooting. [09:48] * AlanBell likes it [09:48] Should be forced to type all his press releases in a terminal using vim. [09:48] but I reduce the size to 10 [09:48] Ubuntu Mono is the only font that anybody needs [09:48] And Ubuntu Mono [09:48] i'v been using ubuntu mono in my terminal for a long long time, its nice [09:48] Same here [09:48] And in anything I code with [09:49] what's the font package name? [09:50] I suspect this is why it's called "Preferences", dammit. [09:50] * awilkins changes the terminal to Liberation Mono 10 like it should be by default [09:50] anyone have any remote desktop solutions for Ubuntu? [09:50] smittix, Clients or servers? [09:50] Using the standard one a user has to login before it allows you [09:50] Servers [09:51] on-site users or far away? [09:51] wow [09:51] i thought i would hate the new version of ubuntu [09:51] in fact i had already lined up mint [09:51] but i love it [09:51] oimon: both [09:51] it looks amazing [09:51] for a home server [09:51] i use freenx cos it's so fast and allows suspend sessions etc [09:52] * awilkins concurs with freenx [09:52] Or neatx perhaps (not tried it) [09:52] Coolio, I will look them up [09:52] But if Google has something to do with it, it has half a chance of being decent [09:53] Or just learn to do things on the terminal and use SSH [09:53] how can i get ubuntu monospace on lucid? [09:54] Download the zip from http://font.ubuntu.com/ [09:54] Extract the files. Load each one and click 'install font' in the bottom right of the new window [09:54] Or something like that :) [09:56] awilkins: I use SSH already, It's just sometimes I need to download from a website with a login and can't seem to get wget to grab the files. [09:56] smittix, Ah, yes, I know that pain [09:56] bigcalm: thanks. easy when you know how [09:57] smittix, You could try a CLI mode browser like elinks [09:57] awilkins: Yeah I have tried Links already and the page just doesnt display [09:57] smittix: Connecting from Ubuntu or Windows? For the rare occasions when I need to connect from windows, I just use TightVNC viewer which askes for login details [09:57] smittix, But yes, I've resorted to installing a desktop and an NX server to download files on servers before now [09:58] May a thousand fleas infest the underpants of people who implement file download servers that don't work without session cookies (I spit on you, CollabNet) [09:58] heh [09:59] smittix: filezilla for windows and linux. [10:00] morning all how was the party's? [10:00] The party's what? [10:00] The party's release? [10:01] trying to access a routers gui within ssh is a pain aswell [10:01] * bigcalm notes a lack of popey. I wonder if he's nursing a hangover [10:01] well web interface [10:01] bigcalm: there were 2 release party's one in London and one in leeds [10:01] So, parties [10:01] * bigcalm feels evil today [10:02] if session cookies for downloads earn a thousand fleas, what does a java-based downloader earn you? [10:02] death by fire [10:02] bigcalm: yeah whatever [10:02] :D [10:03] i get "install failed" when i try to install the font :( [10:05] Pass [10:05] oimon: http://askubuntu.com/questions/5097/how-do-i-use-the-new-ubuntu-font-family-in-older-releases [10:05] Maybe that has it [10:05] bigcalm: I think you may be right: http://www.project-distribution.co.uk [10:05] Ahh - wrong url. [10:06] Eh? [10:06] Oh [10:06] Try this one: https://twitter.com/#!/popey/status/124778355080957952 [10:06] ooops ;-) [10:06] Ah, I have been avoiding twitter during work hours. Has made me a little more productive ;) [10:18] TheOpenSourcerer: you were missed last night [10:21] czajkowski: well aim better, then [10:21] BigRedS: well I didnt miss you :p [10:22] Afternoon! [10:22] * czajkowski hugs popey [10:23] o/ popey [10:23] * popey has a hurty head [10:24] self inflicted no sympathy [10:24] GOOD MORNING POPEY! [10:24] * popey dials down the brightness on the world [10:24] ugh, boss just asked if i wanted to go to the pub [10:24] popey: good time at the party last night, then? [10:25] i have been here 8 minutes [10:25] Hair of the dog? [10:26] Sounds like a smashing idea to me :) [10:26] popey: You've already been in the pub for 8 minutes? [10:26] hah [10:28] popey: happy party? [10:29] * davmor2 prods czajkowski [10:29] yes [10:30] popey: how's the head? You actually went drinking with Jono do you have a death wish? [10:30] it was fun [10:31] hrm, really need to get an arduino then hook it up to a laser that knows when its beam has been broken, that then uses servos to move the position of the laser quickly. would keep the cat entertained for hours [10:31] Morning [10:31] = blinded cat [10:34] czajkowski: I was at (hopefully) my son's next school's open evening. [10:34] nods [10:34] AlanBell: hows your head not as bad as popey's I hope? [10:34] I am OK [10:35] AlanBell: you made the train then [10:35] AlanBell: I came home to new headphones and an android tablet :D [10:35] guess how happy I was after the day I had :D [10:35] yes, got the bus with christel [10:36] yay [10:36] awww [10:36] I went home and played angry birds [10:36] * christel hugs czajkowski [10:36] and angry frogs and snakes [10:36] jon had the tablet all set up for me :D [10:36] it's so fast and nice [10:36] LOVE IT [10:36] Those are some funky headphones [10:36] I <3 orange [10:37] http://twitpic.com/702dzw [10:37] Do you have a VAX vacuum cleaner? [10:37] wow [10:37] BigRedS: no we have a roomba [10:37] the tablet is a advent vega [10:38] czajkowski: that was for bigcalm :) [10:39] confused.com [10:39] * bigcalm tuts [10:39] ;) [10:39] haha [10:40] wait, czajkowski, that's windows? [10:40] BigRedS: at wor [10:40] k [10:40] tsk tsk [10:40] actually, no, I'll just sympathise [10:42] * popey hugs BigRedS [10:43] now he has put 2 and 2 together and knows who BigRedS is [10:43] 4? [10:43] * bigcalm still doesn't [10:45] haha [10:45] I was sure I'd explained before [10:46] ← memory retention fail [10:46] though, presumably, it was rather late and in a pub [10:46] I thought BigRedS was a pseudonym for Santa Claus :) [10:46] BigRedS has nice hair [10:46] i aspire to have hair like him [10:46] he also has a good laugh [10:46] ah yeah. I've been told off for it in campsites before :/ [10:47] * daubers just aspires to keep his hair :( [10:47] "stop laughing, you're waking people up" [10:47] A battle I'm seemingly loosing [10:47] * DJones hands daubers a bic [10:48] DJones: to colour in the bald bits? [10:48] lol [10:48] there is no fear of BigRedS losing his hair [10:48] bigcalm: Not the pen [10:49] there is enough of his hair is to share with all of ye and still have a full head [10:49] I should sell it [10:50] Sounds like your describing RMS, lots of hair etc [10:51] Or Anita Dobson :) [10:52] lol [10:53] i like the idea of Anita dobson running the FSF [10:53] DJones: BigRedS is clean and doesnt pick at his hair and eat it [10:53] so nothing like RMS [10:53] s/hair/feet/ [10:53] popey: With her boyfriend singing in the background "I want to break free" :) [10:57] DJones: davmor2 is the one who breaks free [10:58] bigcalm: Never they'd have to catch me first before I'd need to break free MUhahahahaahahahahah [10:59] * TheOpenSourcerer has been told off for snoring in campsites before ;-) ^^re: BigRedS ^^ [11:00] haha [11:00] I kept about a 500yd radius of my tent awake :-D [11:00] Wifey was fine [11:00] haha! [11:01] i am on windows atm, can someone on ubuntu help me pls? [11:01] o.O [11:01] my dad has been told of similerely, before. [11:01] Is anybody in here using Ubuntu? ;) [11:02] popey: Turn it off and insert an ubutu cd [11:02] then trun it back on [11:02] popey: What do you need? [11:02] Your clothes and your motorcycle [11:02] TMI [11:02] Damn I need a wee. BBL [11:02] open gconf editor and look for the key relating to vnc [11:03] when you enable/disable vnc it flips a switch in gconf key somewhere [11:03] i cant remember which key [11:03] TheOpenSourcerer: my dad now has a thing, to help him breathe properly, while asleep. and he no longer has such snoring problems. [11:03] popey: http://www.ubuntu.com/tour/ [11:03] BigRedS: funny man [11:03] I'm on windows but I can ssh/vnc into a Lucid machine [11:04] need someone with a gui really [11:05] Ah, I've got that vm I made for gpg [11:05] hang on, I'll boot it [11:05] popey: on oneiric? there no gconf-editor ;) [11:06] dconf-editor - fun times [11:06] hej [11:06] popey: The program 'gconf-editor' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing: [11:06] sudo apt-get install gconf-editor [11:07] why are you telling me this? [11:07] popey: I've got it. What am I looking for? all I can see with anything to do with vnc is a vinagre directory/folder/thing [11:09] hmm [11:09] is there a way to search it? There really should be but it's not obvious [11:09] yes [11:09] menu item ☺ [11:10] i appear to have no menus [11:10] hm [11:10] is it the always-enable-listening key perhaps? [11:10] in org.gnome.Vinagre (I am using Oneiric and dconf-editor) [11:11] oh. ctrl-f [11:11] Hmmh, server died, ah well, that'll keep me busy tonight [11:11] open the dash, search for remote [11:11] flip the 'allow remote access' tickbox [11:11] does the thing in dconf-editor change? [11:12] popey: found it [11:13] It's /desktop/gnome/remote_access/vnc_password [11:13] thats it [11:13] Key is 'enabled' [11:13] * popey points corenominal at the last 3 lines [11:13] /desktop/remote/gnome/access has a 'enabled' which changes [11:13] oh [11:14] * bigcalm makes the connection and smiles [11:14] Right, think I should get some lunch [11:17] popey, got it, thanks :) [11:18] hrm, the infernal decision. un-7z a large file on a network storage via the slow 100mbit ethernet cable but with the i7 machine. or ssh into the file server and un7zip slowly on the dual core atom but without the network overhead [11:24] 7z isn't that CPU intensive [11:31] i'm racing them [11:32] mostly IO limited on both [11:38] haha, gord picks the slowest of three options :) [11:39] my IO is faster than my network speed, didn't really impact it :) [11:42] now reading the directory full of spectrum games, that is slow [11:43] this firefox release schedule combined with their amusing bugs is hilarious [11:43] Ive just closed four firefox instances, each running a different version so I can still use the right extensions and use the right websites... [11:45] It's annoying me as well BigRedS [11:45] Firebug [11:46] for example, with newer releases of FF [11:46] Need to stop breaking add ons with every upgrade [11:52] yeah, and SSL cert handling just seems to get worse and worse. [11:52] I'm not a web developer, I shouldn't need to run multiple versions of a browser... [11:53] ff's versioning for addons really doesn't seem to be holding up well against this major-version-per-week deal [11:56] No, I think they need to bring in some automated testing [11:57] no add-on dev is going to test against every major version, and so they're not going to want to claim compatibility with them all [11:57] It'd be cool if the add-on devs just all came to an agreement to designate LTSs that they'd support :) [11:58] add-on devs should just set compatibility to * and then blame ff devs when it breaks [11:58] yeah, that's what I'd do [11:58] it's a moving target, nobody can be expected to program for it. The onus is on Mozilla to stop moving it, rather thanthe devs to follow [11:58] exactly [11:59] iirc mozilla are working on a stable API [11:59] and the point of the rapid major releases is to have little difference between them. 95% of add-ons for version 8 should work in version 9 with no modification [11:59] even better, someone should fork firefox and make a simplified light version [11:59] a simplified light version that three people use ;) [11:59] and then have a 6 monthly release cycle for it [11:59] I'd use it, but then bog it down with silly add-ons... [12:00] seriously, mozilla know about the problem, they are taking steps to fix it but its just not something you fix overnight [12:00] why not? they broke it overnight [12:00] this is not a new problem [12:00] its just one that is exacerbated by the new release schedule [12:01] Hmmh, dead server, do I just put the hdd in a replacement machine to see if its hardware releated, or just build a new server & configure it [12:02] talking of servers i need to get these drives to automount [12:05] I think I'll just swap the drive into a replacement machine & see if it still crashes [12:06] That'll give me time to do a clean install of its replacement anyway [12:06] I should have just installed server edition instead of desktop [12:08] This one occasionally gets used for web browsing etc, so it needs a desktop now and again [12:08] Otherwise I'd put server on it [12:09] * bigcalm returns and flops [12:11] Oct 13 21:42:19 macbuntu sshd[3070]: Invalid user iain [12:11] had to think who that was then heh [12:11] o.O [12:11] o/ [12:12] Have you changed your sshd port yet? [12:12] no i will do it when i get home. So i can forward the ports on the router [12:12] * bigcalm nods [12:12] Installed fail2ban though [12:13] You can have sshd listen on multiple ports. Let internal machines connect on 22, external connections on something else [12:13] having it on 443 is occasionally handy :-) [12:14] If a little confusing at 1st [12:14] I want to setup my domain smittix.co.uk with it too [12:14] actually sack that idea [12:14] decided to keep the mac though. found a space for it. [12:14] mgdm: I have to have my machine at home on 443 so I can access it from work ;) [12:15] I do like that joker.com allow you to set up dyn subdomains. Means I can use cuth.eu (nice and short) at no extra cost [12:19] Having upgraded to Oneiric, my wifi card appears no longer to exist... even if I use an older kernel. Any ideas what on earth might be going on? [12:19] i used to use things like dyndns, but could never find anything that worked well with it, routers would occasionally forget everything or dyndns would start threatening to lose the subdomain because i hadn't logged in for a while. so now i just have a static IP and the home subdomain of my domain point at it -_- [12:20] 123 reg want me to pay 10 quid for a subdomain [12:21] joker.com \o/ [12:21] that's whyI run my own DNS [12:21] gandi just let you go crazy, log in, write a new subdomain, gets propagated in an hour or two [12:21] I can have as many subdomains as I like [12:22] smittix: If thou canst use DNS of thy choosing with the domain, move thy DNS to someone who'll let thee manage it thyself - do it thyself, or I understand that hurricane electric do a free DNS service. [12:22] mgdm: I have thought about doing that. But it'd be the first time i have done so on linux [12:22] [Jono Bacon] Onwards and Upwards - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/10/14/onwards-and-upwards/ [12:23] darael , which wifi card do you have? [12:23] oimon: From memory, a Realtek RTL8191SE. It doesn't even show in lspci any more, though, so I can't check. [12:24] Live cd of 11.04? [12:25] I could dig that out of wherever I put it... [12:26] weird that it's not in lspci..have you enabled it via bios/function key/hardware switch? [12:27] Bah wrong session heh [12:29] oimon: Tried the function-key, there's no bios setting or hardware switch. [12:29] There's a lot of Bluetooth hardware that just drops off the uSB bus when you use the hardware switch to turn it off [12:29] never seen it with wifi kit, though [12:31] :/ [12:33] * smittix prods MooDoo [12:33] * smittix hides [12:52] Annoying things in Unity - alt-F2 is still there. But if you type faster than it resolves the command you typed, it picks the first thing showing in the history list. Grr. [12:54] awilkins: it doesn't for me and I'm not the worlds fastest typer, it only selects when I hit enter [12:55] davmor2, Hmm. I've had a couple of instances where I typed "eclipse" and it picked "bcompare" which was the previous thing I loaded [12:55] I mean "executed" rather than just "selected" [12:56] awilkins: if you check the history as it comes up mine shows everything that is selected and whittles it down as I type then I hit enter when the right one is first in the queue [12:56] or click on it in the list [12:58] Just tried again... entered "gvim" and quickly hit enter. It starts an eclipse instance, because that was what I ran previously. I'm sure I would have noticed this behaviour before, I've not suddenly become a fast typist. [12:59]