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[06:08] <Sarvatt> ricotz: do me a favor and remind me about bringing extra US power adapters closer UDS time :)
[06:09]  * Sarvatt has one in the bag now but might forget why its there when packing the day before the trip
[06:11] <RAOF> Heh.
[06:12] <ricotz> Sarvatt, hey, will do :)
[06:14] <Sarvatt> thanks, never know what i'm capable of forgetting at the last minute :)
[06:17] <ricotz> everything is possible :P, but most important are passport and creditcard ;)
[06:23] <ricotz> bbl
[06:33] <Sarvatt> RAOF: do you need usb power adapters for your laptops?
[06:34] <RAOF> USB power adapters?  You can't push enough power over USB to charge any of my laptops!
[06:34] <Sarvatt> s/usb/US
[06:34] <Sarvatt>  /
[06:34] <RAOF> HAH!
[06:35] <RAOF> Nah, thanks.  I've got me a full complement of adaptors & such :)
[06:35] <Sarvatt> sorry, 2:30 am, doing some light packing :)
[06:38] <RAOF> It's pretty early to be packing, though!
[07:18] <Sarvatt> RAOF: apitrace packaged?! awesome!
[07:19] <RAOF> Sarvatt: Mostly :)
[07:21] <RAOF> I wonder how hard it'd be to add GL_EXT_tfp support to apitrace?
[07:24] <bryceh> Sarvatt, going to uds early?
[07:27] <Sarvatt> nah just some late drinking and early worrying about forgetting crap :) my little AP was screwed last trip, getting it set up to work in the hotel
[07:33] <bryceh> Sarvatt, aha
[07:33] <bryceh> Sarvatt, yeah I've started maintaining a checklist
[07:41] <RAOF> You guys have a checklist?  I just throw 5 minutes worth of clothes in the suitcase and grab my laptop ;)
[10:23] <tito> hey guys, i just installed fresh install of 11.10 + nvidia-current (285.05.09-0ubuntu1~oneiric~xup1)
[10:23] <tito> and nvidia-current-dev.
[10:25] <tito> libGL.so are installed into /usr/lib/nvidia-current/, GL.h in /usr/include/nvidia-current/GL/
[10:25] <tito> no libGL.so and GL.h are accessible from "standard" path
[10:26] <tito> my question is: did i miss something ? what the approach to check thoses path too in a software ? pkg-config ? something else ?
[10:37] <tseliot> tito: you'll have to include them manually
[10:38] <tito> but what's the approach to know which one to use ? the standard one (if exist) ? nvidia-current ? and i don't know about the ati one
[10:38] <tito> is it safe to -I/usr/include/nvidia-current for every users ?
[10:39] <jcristau> no
[10:39] <jcristau> what's wrong with /usr/include/GL/GL.h?
[10:40] <tito> fresh install + nvidia-current = no /usr/include/GL/GL.h
[10:40] <tito> = no /usr/lib/libGL.so too
[10:40] <jcristau> install libgl1-mesa-dev then
[10:41] <tito> but i got them with nvidia-current, in another directory, not in standard directory
[10:45] <tito> ok, it's working.
[10:46] <tito> with libgl1-mesa-dev, but it's using mesa gl.h instead of the nvidia one
[10:46] <jcristau> and that's a problem because?
[10:46] <tito> linking is working too because it found mesa libGL.so, and at runtime, cause of ldconf.so.conf, it use nvidia libGL.so
[10:46] <tito> it look wrong no ?
[10:47] <tito> installing mesa gl to be able to compile and link
[10:47] <tito> and it will be not used at all at runtime
[11:03] <tjaalton> headers rarely are
[11:17] <tseliot> tito: oh, I thought that, for some reason, you wanted to compile things with Nvidia's libraries
[11:20] <tito> for runtime i wasn't talking about headers...
[11:20] <tito> if i remember well, if we install with nvidia binaries, it will do symlink
[11:20] <tito> not with the ubuntu package
[12:54] <tseliot> tito: we have our own symlinks with our alternatives system. If you install the driver from Nvidia's website you'll end up breaking your system
[12:55] <tito> tseliot: i didn't install driver from nvidia website on that fresh install
[12:55] <tseliot> ok
[12:55] <tito> http://askubuntu.com/questions/66109/libgl-so-and-gl-h-not-available-from-standard-path
[12:58] <tseliot> tito: you should use whatever mesa provides unless you're interested in using Nvidia's libraries to build your apps
[12:58] <tseliot> tito: if you install and enable the Nvidia driver, you're expected to use Nvidia's GL libraries (which is what we do)
[12:59] <tito> but their is no risk to compile using mesa header and run with nvidia lib ?
[13:00] <tjaalton> the question is if nvidia-current-dev should install to the standard path, and conflict with libgl1-mesa-dev
[13:00] <jcristau> no
[13:01] <tjaalton> no to what? :)
[13:02] <jcristau> there's a spec for the ABI of libGL.so.1 on linux, it should be the same for all vendors.
[13:02] <tjaalton> ok then
[13:03] <jcristau> no to "is there a risk to build against one libGL and run against a different one?"
[13:03] <tjaalton> anyway, don't see a reason not to put CL/* and cuda/* under /usr/include
[13:04] <tjaalton> right, everything is built against the mesa libs anyway, and things seem to work rather well :)
[13:04] <tito> that's my point. mesa have .h+.so shipped together, that's ok. But if i install alternative (as nvidia-current) gl install, it should be used by default
[13:04] <jcristau> tito: for building stuff?  no it should not.
[13:04] <tito> (i mean nvidia-current never ask me to install libgl1-dev)
[13:04] <tito> (libgl1-mesa-dev sorry)
[13:05] <tito> ok
[13:05] <tito> if you said it's standard way to do, i'm ok :)
[13:06] <tseliot> tito: we have a -dev package for nvidia and one for mesa
[13:06] <tito> yes yes i know  that
[13:07] <tseliot> which we don't install by default, for obvious reasons
[13:07] <Milos_SD> Hi... does Unity in Oneiric work with xorg-edgers packages? Is the bug with utouch fixed?
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[15:59] <igormorgado> hi.. x is recognizing my apple wireless keyboard as a corepointer. Any tips?
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