[08:39] <JamesTait> Happy morning after, everyone! It's Friday! :D
[08:40] <gord> hey all - getting a looot of weird issues with u1 today, keeps dropping connection causing it to notify-osd spam me with "there are x files uploading to u1", nothing really seems to make it up to u1 though - lots of weird errors like http://paste.ubuntu.com/707827/ on pretty much all the files its attempting to upload
[09:02] <gatox> hi
[09:12] <karni> hiya!
[09:32] <aquarius> gord, that sounds like something rye would know about
[09:32] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:33] <czajkowski> gord: you're breaking things today, I'm sure there are a lot of sore heads today
[09:33] <gord> aquarius, actually been okay for the last 20 minutes or so, fingers crossed :)
[09:33] <rye> gord, the exception in question is bug #872924 - we are pushing for it to get fixed, because it is critical
[09:33] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 872924 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Resuming a failed upload crashes with ValueError: I/O operation on closed file (affects: 4) (dups: 3) (heat: 42)" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/872924
[09:33] <rye> gord, please click "affects me too"
[09:33] <gord> rye, awesome :)
[09:35] <rye> gord, and additionally some users experience slow performance from filesync, the foundations team is working to make servers faster. So this is both a client-side and server-side issue
[10:08] <Lunar_Lamp> Is there an ETA for when ubuntuone will finally work behind proxys?
[10:35] <rye> Chipaca, ^ is it Precise?
[10:35] <Chipaca> Lunar_Lamp: not a precise ETA, no
[10:36] <Chipaca> work is set to start in early November
[10:36] <Chipaca> estimation hasn't been done yet
[10:38] <Lunar_Lamp> Oh, so it is going to happen.
[10:38] <Lunar_Lamp> That's something at least!
[10:42] <Chipaca> the change should be released to N and O at least when done (we'll try for L and M also, but it might take a bit longer)
[10:43] <Chipaca> (that's a british bit, as in a hurricane being "a bit of weather")
[10:44] <Lunar_Lamp> lol
[10:44] <Lunar_Lamp> Well, if there's anything I can do to help with testing etc, I'm semi-desperate.
[10:44] <Lunar_Lamp> I have to sit behind a proxy at work, and thus can't sync with my home system.
[10:44] <Lunar_Lamp> Drives me mad.
[10:44] <Chipaca> Lunar_Lamp: what kind of proxy is it?
[10:44] <Lunar_Lamp> http/https
[10:45] <Chipaca> auth'ed?
[10:45] <Lunar_Lamp> No
[10:45] <Chipaca> phew :)
[10:45] <Lunar_Lamp> Though it wouldn't surprise me if that changes in the future :-(
[10:45] <Chipaca> that one should be the most straightforward kind to get working
[10:45] <Lunar_Lamp> \o/
[10:45] <Chipaca> as long as it doesn't go kerberos or ntlm
[10:45] <Lunar_Lamp> Well, if you could just get started a little ahead of time, and drop me the update this afternoon...?
[10:45] <Lunar_Lamp> ;-)
[10:46] <Chipaca> at work, do you have windows, or ubuntu?
[10:46] <Lunar_Lamp> Ubuntu
[10:46] <Chipaca> what release?
[10:46] <Lunar_Lamp> (I'm a linux sysadmin, I refuse to work with anything else)
[10:46] <Lunar_Lamp> As of this morning, 11.10
[10:47] <Chipaca> hm. I don't think the old patch will work. But you can try it, if you're confortable patching stuff (i'd recommend --dry-run if you're considering doing it on the system software directly)
[10:48] <Chipaca> I think https://code.launchpad.net/~chipaca/ubuntuone-client/very-basic-proxy-support-for-stable-1-4 might apply
[10:48] <Chipaca> but if it breaks, no promises
[10:54] <Lunar_Lamp> Any risk of data loss?
[10:54] <Lunar_Lamp> (realistic)
[10:55] <Lunar_Lamp> I'm happy to play as long as it's n ot likely I'll delete the contents of my home folder or similar.
[10:57] <Chipaca> sorry, was afk
[10:57] <Chipaca> um, no, either it works or it doesn't work
[10:58] <Lunar_Lamp> I'll have a play later if I get time :-)
[10:58] <Chipaca> ok :)
[12:30] <alecu> hello, all!
[12:31] <gatox> alecu, hi!
[13:07] <dobey> la la la
[13:41] <hrw> hi
[13:43] <hrw> Can someone tell me how much time does it takes to send 120KB file to u1 from desktop (on 3Mbps upload pipe)? And why it is over half hour :D
[13:43] <beuno> facundobatista, ^
[13:44] <facundobatista> Hi hrw
[13:44] <hrw> file has time 15:02, 15:44 is now and I see 4th popup from U1 that it is sending this file
[13:45] <facundobatista> hrw, the popups are not really trustworhy, you should check the logs to really see what's going on, probably the client is gettind disconnected and reconnected
[13:45] <hrw> facundobatista: where I find logs?
[13:45] <facundobatista> hrw, ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/
[13:46] <hrw> http://pastebin.com/W2w765Di
[13:47] <hrw> syncdaemon.log:
[13:47] <hrw> http://paste.ubuntu.com/708004/
[13:50] <hrw> ideas?
[13:54] <alecu> hrw, there are lots of "server connection made" and "server connection lost" messages in that log.
[13:54] <alecu> facundobatista, ^
[13:55] <hrw> alecu: indeed, wondering why
[13:56] <alecu> rye, facundobatista: there are lots of "ssl handshake failure" on the second log
[13:56] <czajkowski> mandal: meet the new Ubuntu Community Council http://j.mp/nbeO2q
[13:56] <alecu> rye, any idea if there's a ssl issue with the servers?
[13:56] <alecu> czajkowski, do you mean mandel?
[13:57] <rye> alecu, redirecting the question to facundobatista
[13:57] <czajkowski> yes
[13:57] <czajkowski> mandel: ^^
[13:57] <czajkowski> alecu: didnt tab complete
[13:57] <alecu> :-)
[13:57] <facundobatista> rye, alecu, hrw, we're experiencing some issues in the servers, that's why the reconnections
[13:57] <hrw> ok
[13:58] <hrw> one day I will have to try u1 on headless machines
[13:59] <rye> czajkowski, are you sure it is mandel, are you talking about Martin Albisetti?
[13:59] <hrw> facundobatista: and thx for log files location info
[13:59] <dobey> czajkowski: that is beuno you mean
[13:59] <rye> hrw, i had some experience running u1 syncdaemon headless, once dbus session is created it is pretty smooth (provided the servers are cooperating)
[14:00] <hrw> rye: I want it to run on bootup
[14:01] <czajkowski> no I was letting mandel know
[14:01] <czajkowski> beuno: is ona  plane
[14:01] <czajkowski> but he should also be told also
[14:02] <rye> hrw, it is still required to have some user, root is not recommended, and it can operate within $HOME of that user
[14:02] <beuno> czajkowski, landed 2 hours ago. Also, \o/
[14:02] <hrw> rye: it will be for non root user
[14:03] <hrw> rye: just want a way to share .dotfiles between my desktop/laptop/servers
[14:03] <czajkowski> beuno: congrats
[14:03] <beuno> czajkowski, ditto!
[14:03] <czajkowski> fun times ahead
[14:03] <rye> hrw, 1. get oauth tokens and put them to ~/.config/ubuntuone/syncdaemon.conf 2. run ubuntuone-syncdaemon
[14:03] <rye> however
[14:04] <rye> hrw, .dotfiles are not in a single dir and you will need to symlink them to some location within Ubuntu One folders
[14:04] <beuno> czajkowski, indeed!  Took me a few minutes to get passed the jetlag and interpret the results
[14:05] <rye> hrw, i am using launchpad bzr for my .files with an install script (yeah, manual step)
[14:05] <rye> hrw, lp:~rye/+junk/config
[14:07] <hrw> rye: ~/U1/dotfiles/.{vim,bashrc,etc} is fine
[14:07] <hrw> rye: and I would rather setup own git server then use bzr for it
[14:08] <rye> hrw, the problem is that u1 will grab quite a log of X-related stuff to a headless server since it uses some gobject and gtk stuff
[14:09] <dobey> well, ubuntu-sso-client will pull the X stuff
[14:09] <hrw> rye: I have tens of GB free there still
[14:09] <dobey> "ubuntuone-client" binary package doesn't require X
[14:10] <hrw> rye: and 200GB space waiting for allocation so few extra deps are not  a problem
[14:10] <rye> dobey, depends: ubuntu-sso-client
[14:14] <dobey> rye: yes
[14:15] <dobey> rye: but that /can/ be hacked around
[14:15] <taisa> hi, i have a problem with U1 control-gtk, after starting it, it sometimes switches to the status page but quickly returns to the welcome "Register for U1" page. Could somebody pls help me?
[14:15] <rye> taisa, hi, could you please tell what you mean by "status" page?
[14:16] <dobey> rye: account page
[14:16] <taisa> rye: yes, the page, which shows, that U1 is syncing or not and so on
[14:16] <dobey> taisa: probably your authentication token was deleted from the server, but you still have it in your local keyring, so it fails to authenticate
[14:17] <taisa> dobey: do i have to reinstall U1 or only delete the token in Seahorse?
[14:18] <dobey> taisa: just click "already have an account" on the welcome page and sign in again
[14:18] <rye> taisa, what is the name of the token in seahorse, by the way?
[14:20] <dobey> alecu: btw, it looks like maybe gwibber is what is breaking the keyring in oneiric and causing the weird introspection error :-/
[14:20] <taisa> rye: ubuntu one token for https://ubuntuone.com
[14:20] <alecu> dobey, weird! how is it breaking the keyring?
[14:21] <dobey> alecu: it seems to be causing creation of default keyring with a translated filename
[14:21] <rye> taisa, yes, then in case token has been removed on the server the control panel won't be able to work with it - ubuntu-sso only supports reading these tokens, not upgrading
[14:21] <dobey> alecu: see last couple of comments on that bug :)
[14:21] <rye> taisa, so if you remove the token and run control panel you will be able to connect
[14:21] <taisa> thx
[14:22] <alecu> основная.keyring
[14:23] <alecu> I wonder what "osnovnaya" means. Probably "default2
[14:23] <alecu> "default"
[14:23] <rye> alecu, default, yes... well, "main" but translators differ
[14:25] <alecu> hmmm...
[14:27] <taisa> rye: i`m feeling really stupid now, thx for your help, using ubuntu comforts me too much^^
[14:28] <rye> taisa, the old token thing puzzled me too 2 days ago
[14:30] <taisa> rye: thx^^
[14:50] <dobey> alecu: "house liquor"
[15:14] <dobey> lunch time, bbiab :)
[16:48] <gatox> alecu, ping
[16:50] <alecu> gatox, I'm just going to lunch, I'll ping you back when I return.
[16:52] <gatox> alecu, ok
[17:43] <alecu> gatox, pong
[17:43] <gatox> alecu, hi! :P i have this branch for review: https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-control-panel/unicode-issues/+merge/79429
[17:43] <gatox> if you can
[17:44] <gatox> alecu, also....... are you the only one here? jeje
[17:46] <alecu> gatox, dohbey is around too
[17:46] <gatox> dobey, :D can you review this branch please: https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-control-panel/unicode-issues/+merge/79429
[17:47] <dobey> ?
[17:47] <gatox> i need reviewers :P
[17:48] <dobey> will leave that one to alecu
[17:49] <dobey> We don't understand that code well enough to say if it's right or not
[17:50] <gatox> dobey, ok, no problem!
[19:19] <j0nr> evening folks
[19:21] <dobey> hi
[19:21] <j0nr> I need advise for dealing with ubuntuone stuff when wiping a computer for a fresh install of ubuntu
[19:21] <j0nr> what to do with my music collection?
[19:21] <j0nr> hi dobey
[19:22] <dobey> anything you don't want to re-download afterward, you should probably backup locally somewhere
[19:23] <dobey> or avoid formatting your home partition
[19:25] <j0nr> have to format home.
[19:25] <j0nr> i have ~/Music synced
[19:26] <j0nr> What order is best to do things if i back up my music locally
[19:26] <j0nr> so i don't need to redownload it
[19:26] <dobey> copy it to a usb/sd/whatever drive, reboot/install, copy music back, sign in to u1
[19:27] <dobey> don't delete anything out of u1 synchronized folders, while u1 is running/connected, or it will try to delete them on server also
[19:28] <dobey> j0nr: and after you sign back in to u1, wait until u1sdtool -s shows "IDLE" for status, before re-subscribing to the ~/Music folder in the control panel
[19:35] <j0nr> so empty ~/home empty ~/Music.... I sign into U1 then.... it will sync the contents of the Ubuntu Obe folder I assume.... but not the Music folder?
[19:37] <j0nr> is it default behaviour on a new machine to only sync the U1 folder or something?
[19:37] <dobey> should do, right. well it will "sync" by checking the metadata for local vs. server, and resolve any differences. there shouldn't be any though
[19:37] <j0nr> well my U1 folder will e empty locally on a fresh instal;
[19:37] <dobey> j0nr: yes, default is to not subscribe to folders/shares.
[19:38] <dobey> u1 folder doesn't exist until you sign in to u1
[19:38] <dobey> then it will synchronize what's in the u1 folder to the local machine
[19:38] <j0nr> oh right... So I sign in, U1 folder gets created and synced
[19:38] <dobey> yep
[19:39] <dobey> j0nr: and when all that's finished, you can subscribed to the music folder again, and u1 will do a few checks, and you should be good
[19:40] <dobey> j0nr: keep the back-up until it's all clear though. there are a couple of issues in the client we are working on getting SRUs out for, that were found last-minute, but you should be ok
[19:41] <j0nr> as long as I re-populate the Music folder first with the backup, not subscribe it when empty
[19:41] <dobey> yeah, if you subscribe with it empty, then u1 will want to download everything again
[19:42] <j0nr> how would does it decide that it needs to download everything rather than delete everything on the server?
[19:42] <dobey> well, with the folder existing, it will ask to "Merge" the folders. click yes, and after a short period of comparing local to server, you should be good to go
[19:43] <dobey> j0nr: because there would be no local metadata for ~/MUsic yet
[19:43] <dobey> j0nr: until you set that folder to be synchronized, there won't be any metadata for it, so when you subscribe, it will ask to merge the folders :)
[19:48] <j0nr> ah right, cool! and it will do checks and magically realise that all the stuff in the music folder (my backup) is the same and not need to sync anything?
[19:49] <dobey> yep. as long as you don't change the files while not inside u1. it hashes the files and compares the hash with what's on the server
[19:49] <dobey> so if you change any tags (like play count or anything), the hash will be different
[20:27] <j0nr> cheers dobey
[21:07] <dobey> have a good weekend all
[21:19] <jderose> dobey: you too :)
[22:20] <x-ip> hi all o/
[22:26] <gatox> x-ip, hi!
[22:37] <x-ip> hi gatox o/ ^^
[22:37] <gatox> x-ip, you are in all the channels :P
[22:38] <x-ip> gatox, hehehe, i'm reading ubuntu one client code to learn more about twisted, as a facundobatista_ 's advice ^^
[22:38] <x-ip> so i thought it'd be a good idea to join this channel ^^
[23:52] <karni> Bye bye!