[06:07] It sounds cool [07:33] * falktx is creating a live-dvd US image [07:33] hey there [07:38] i see the new downloads, cool [08:48] US image works! [08:48] live-dvd!! [08:48] :) [09:36] falktx: Great! [11:58] fr-z: sure [11:59] welcome [11:59] hi :) [12:00] also, helping in the IRC channel/forums [12:05] sure i will give my best :) [12:05] do you use xchat? [12:07] im using irssi running in screen [12:07] xchat is nice [12:18] i am trying to setup this so it performs the commands to identify and join channels auto. It seams to be on a file [12:19] prolly, i have just done it from the GUI like http://xchat.org/faq/#q23 [12:20] irssi autojoins from a file i made [12:34] any reason why you use urssi instead of xchat? [12:35] sure [12:35] it runs in the console [12:35] i can run it in screen on my server, and connect back in with ssh [12:36] i just leave it running and connect back in from where ever i want [12:37] ahh like a bnc [12:38] bnc? [12:49] hi fr-z and holstein :) [12:49] holstein: can we talk a bit at your leisure about 12.04 and what we want? [12:52] scott-work: Great to hear you are going to UDS, looking forward to meeting you. [13:07] thank you TheMuso , i am looking forward as well :) [13:08] although i feel that i have some substantial work ahead of me for the next release given the arguable failure or deficencies of 11.10 :( [13:44] sorry holstein went for a lunch break ^^ a bnc is a kind of an irc bot/server that you have running on a server. Then when you login you make it to your server and not to the global server. That way you are online 24/7 and you connect to the bot anytime you want [13:44] interesting... yeah, its something like that then [13:44] i have a bot running on this server too in screen [13:46] true [13:46] thats cool [13:47] here you have a list of bounces. that way we can use any irc client [13:47] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BNC_%28software%29 [13:48] lol [13:48] one of them its yours ^ [13:48] :) [13:48] hi scott-work i was afk === frz is now known as Guest6129 === naka is now known as Guest97042 === Guest97042 is now known as naka [16:29] Hi! [16:30] Hi m8 [16:30] :-) [16:31] Could I help u in your work? [16:34] Hi! I'm new at ubuntu community and I'd like to give my contribute. Holstein (now I seem its not here) invited me for give an help here. Is there some work that I could start now with you? [16:36] have you made your registration already on the links i sent you earlier? [16:36] yes, in development [16:38] nice [16:39] i think that after you confirm your mail youl start to recieve things [16:42] ah, ok.... thank u! :-) [16:42] so, i wait [16:42] now i have to go [16:42] see u soon!! [17:58] bah, webchat.freenode.net dropped me again [18:15] ^^ [18:16] any team manager online? [18:17] fr-z: yes, i'm here [18:19] hi scott how are you. i already subscribed to the devel list. but how can i see on what you need help? I can help designing and concept usability Interfaces (if you need ofc). [18:25] fr-z: let me find a link [18:25] thank you [18:26] this is what i had started but i hadn't done much on it [18:26] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/ContributeToDevelopment [18:26] to be honest, we are at the end of the cycle and there's not much to do currently for most upcoming items [18:27] however.... [18:27] i expect development to pretty feverish and rapid during the next cycle and we will require a lot of testing [18:28] so we will certainly need testing assistence when it all starts [18:28] fr-z: i will also say that we probably need to update an application (ubuntustudio-controls) which could certainly use a new UI [18:29] however, that project still needs to have in depth discussion about the purpose and design of the application needs to be going forward since many things have changed systemically [18:29] in some cases, some functionality has been precluded by systemic changes in jack [18:31] fr-z: any questions or comments? [18:32] i will reply in a sec i am reading the page also [18:34] i was also instaling ubuntustudio-controls to check how was the UI of it [18:35] i can see that you also need help on the theme and maybe on the site layout? [18:38] fr-z: i can give you some particulars about the theme [18:39] that would be nice. [18:39] fr-z: knome is working currently on the new website layout although i cannot speak to whether he would want or need assistance [18:39] ok [18:43] sorry, i'm at work so the pauses are when i need to address soemthing [18:44] np i am still at the agency aswell [18:44] fr-z: are you familiar with the xubuntu theme? i think it is based on the thunderbird theme? [18:46] https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_1QSDkzYY2vc/TbqXvD4wEDI/AAAAAAAAENU/dv_zS0XwUCM/xubuntu-11.04_2.png [18:46] i am a zero coder. I work on layouts and interfaces. I basicly develope the visual concept and usability skeleton of interfaces [18:46] this is fairly representative [18:46] fr-z: okay, can i use vague terms to describe an effect then? [18:46] sure [18:48] my philosophy is that a pretty or fancy desktop is a distraction from doing pretty and fancy work ;) [18:48] i think the desktop should not draw attention but be completely functional [18:48] transparent but accessible, perhaps [18:49] thats why usability exists, its to serve those needs :) [18:49] i like the xubuntu 11.04 theme because it has an understated simplicity that allows you to function [18:50] there are some thing i would change, but i'll mention those later [18:50] if the target audience is to be users new to ubuntu/linux then we should maintain the expect desktop paradigm [18:50] i.e. no unity or gnome3 [18:51] xfce is a light weight and still developed alternative to gnome-panel that maintains the familiar desktop paradigm [18:51] i would prefer neutral colors but perhpas this is the wrong adjective [18:51] by neutral i mean that it doesn't attract attention [18:52] so i would prefer grey (or gray as americans spell it), dark grey, or black for colors [18:52] unity and gnome 3 are an insult to usability. I have a graphic station runing it and i will format if soon. On a well organized UI you work fast. On those you take too much time to swap between apps and the workflow is very bad [18:52] i would like the window dressing to be uncluttered with fifteen jabillion window options...three buttons should suffice [18:53] fr-z: agreed! especially for audio work where you will have at least five active windows and perhaps as much as twenty with synth work! [18:53] the desktop wallpaper should be fairly homogenous and not cluttered [18:54] fully agree [18:54] a simple logo design that is unobtrusive would be acceptable if tacitly placed in a corner perhaps [18:54] who has a long work day on a station will need to feel the UI ans a structure that supports the apps [18:57] i think the paradigm should be maintained. Not only for those that work on audio or graphics but, as you mentioned, on new users. Ppl i installed ubuntu where very happy and working on it. Now with unity they are on panic and cant work. Some are getting back to windos [18:57] thats why unity is a fail [18:57] not even talking about the left bar. [18:58] when you work, you need an harmony, and a strong bar pushing the view to one side of the UI, like on unity, is not good for a designer [18:58] the workflow is needed, the simplicity [18:59] i would posit that those who work with keystrokes instead of mouse can function very well with gnome3 or unity still, but that is not the majority of users though [18:59] especially new ones to linux [19:00] true [19:00] i used unity for several months on my laptop, same with gnome3 [19:00] i didn't like it very much although i found gnome3 slightly more usable with the "hot corner" and more than four workspaces [19:01] but as far as specifics for a theme, i can't offer much more than what i have already mentioned [19:02] although i can offer a link to the most recent theme that i liked: http://ubuntu-art.org/content/show.php/Ambiance+dark?content=132875 [19:03] thats about the same i use :) [19:03] not theme related but i think we might also want to reconsider our menu to ensure it is simplified [19:04] how can i help? i make a sketch "screenshot" and send to you ? [19:04] i think that could be extremely helpful :) [19:04] nice [19:05] how can i do it? [19:05] send the "screenshot" to me? my email is scottalavender@gmail.com [19:06] someone did suggest we use an existing theme to minimize our efforts but i haven't found a theme that is quite there [19:10] i will work on it and will send it to you as soon as i can [19:11] i will go to have dinner now i will get back later thank you for the help :) [19:11] greybird was the theme used for xubuntu 11.04, i'm not sure what is being used for 11.10 but i will find out tongith when i install it ;) [19:11] okay, thank you fr-z [19:12] ;) [20:16] Hi! [20:17] it takes much time before to start? [20:17] (sorry for my english :-) ) [22:41] hi