[06:07] <abogani> It sounds cool
[07:33]  * falktx is creating a live-dvd US image
[07:33] <falktx> hey there
[07:38] <falktx> i see the new downloads, cool
[08:48] <falktx> US image works!
[08:48] <falktx> live-dvd!!
[08:48] <knome> :)
[09:36] <abogani> falktx: Great!
[11:58] <holstein> fr-z: sure
[11:59] <holstein> welcome
[11:59] <fr-z> hi :)
[12:00] <holstein> also, helping in the IRC channel/forums
[12:05] <fr-z> sure i will give my best :) 
[12:05] <fr-z> do you use xchat?
[12:07] <holstein> im using irssi running in screen
[12:07] <holstein> xchat is nice
[12:18] <fr-z> i am trying to setup this so it performs the commands to identify and join channels auto. It seams to be on a file
[12:19] <holstein> prolly, i have just done it from the GUI like http://xchat.org/faq/#q23
[12:20] <holstein> irssi autojoins from a file i made
[12:34] <fr-z> any reason why you use urssi instead of xchat?
[12:35] <holstein> sure
[12:35] <holstein> it runs in the console
[12:35] <holstein> i can run it in screen on my server, and connect back in with ssh
[12:36] <holstein> i just leave it running and connect back in from where ever i want
[12:37] <fr-z> ahh like a bnc
[12:38] <holstein> bnc?
[12:49] <scott-work> hi fr-z and holstein  :)
[12:49] <scott-work> holstein: can we talk a bit at your leisure about 12.04 and what we want?
[12:52] <TheMuso> scott-work: Great to hear you are going to UDS, looking forward to meeting you.
[13:07] <scott-work> thank you TheMuso , i am looking forward as well :)
[13:08] <scott-work> although i feel that i have some substantial work ahead of me for the next release given the arguable failure or deficencies of 11.10 :(
[13:44] <fr-z> sorry holstein went for a lunch break ^^ a bnc is a kind of an irc bot/server that you have running on a server. Then when you login you make it to your server and not to the global server. That way you are online 24/7 and you connect to the bot anytime you want
[13:44] <holstein> interesting... yeah, its something like that then
[13:44] <holstein> i have a bot running on this server too in screen
[13:46] <fr-z> true
[13:46] <fr-z> thats cool
[13:47] <fr-z> here you have a list of bounces. that way we can use any irc client
[13:47] <fr-z> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BNC_%28software%29
[13:48] <fr-z> lol
[13:48] <fr-z> one of them its yours ^
[13:48] <fr-z> :)
[13:48] <fr-z> hi scott-work i was afk
[16:29] <sd_ubuntu___> Hi!
[16:30] <fr-z> Hi m8
[16:30] <sd_ubuntu___> :-)
[16:31] <sd_ubuntu___> Could I help u in your work?
[16:34] <sd_ubuntu___> Hi! I'm new at ubuntu community and I'd like to give my contribute. Holstein (now I seem its not here) invited me for give an help here. Is there some work that I could start now with you?
[16:36] <fr-z> have you made your registration already on the links i sent you earlier?
[16:36] <sd_ubuntu___> yes, in development
[16:38] <fr-z> nice
[16:39] <fr-z> i think that after you confirm your mail youl start to recieve things
[16:42] <sd_ubuntu___> ah, ok.... thank u! :-)
[16:42] <sd_ubuntu___> so, i wait
[16:42] <sd_ubuntu___> now i have to go
[16:42] <sd_ubuntu___> see u soon!!
[17:58] <scott-work> bah, webchat.freenode.net dropped me again
[18:15] <fr-z> ^^
[18:16] <fr-z> any team manager online?
[18:17] <scott-work> fr-z: yes, i'm here
[18:19] <fr-z> hi scott how are you. i already subscribed to the devel list. but how can i see on what you need help? I can help designing and concept usability Interfaces (if you need ofc).
[18:25] <scott-work> fr-z: let me find a link
[18:25] <fr-z> thank you
[18:26] <scott-work> this is what i had started but i hadn't done much on it
[18:26] <scott-work> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/ContributeToDevelopment
[18:26] <scott-work> to be honest, we are at the end of the cycle and there's not much to do currently for most upcoming items
[18:27] <scott-work> however....
[18:27] <scott-work> i expect development to pretty feverish and rapid during the next cycle and we will require a lot of testing
[18:28] <scott-work> so we will certainly need testing assistence when it all starts
[18:28] <scott-work> fr-z: i will also say that we probably need to update an application (ubuntustudio-controls) which could certainly use a new UI
[18:29] <scott-work> however, that project still needs to have in depth discussion about the purpose and design of the application needs to be going forward since many things have changed systemically
[18:29] <scott-work> in some cases, some functionality has been precluded by systemic changes in jack
[18:31] <scott-work> fr-z: any questions or comments?
[18:32] <fr-z> i will reply in a sec i am reading the page also
[18:34] <fr-z> i was also instaling ubuntustudio-controls to check how was the UI of it
[18:35] <fr-z> i can see that you also need help on the theme and maybe on the site layout?
[18:38] <scott-work> fr-z: i can give you some particulars about the theme
[18:39] <fr-z> that would be nice. 
[18:39] <scott-work> fr-z: knome is working currently on the new website layout although i cannot speak to whether he would want or need assistance
[18:39] <fr-z> ok
[18:43] <scott-work> sorry, i'm at work so the pauses are when i need to address soemthing
[18:44] <fr-z> np i am still at the agency aswell
[18:44] <scott-work> fr-z: are you familiar with the xubuntu theme?  i think it is based on the thunderbird theme?
[18:46] <scott-work> https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_1QSDkzYY2vc/TbqXvD4wEDI/AAAAAAAAENU/dv_zS0XwUCM/xubuntu-11.04_2.png
[18:46] <fr-z> i am a zero coder. I work on layouts and interfaces. I basicly develope the visual concept and usability skeleton of interfaces 
[18:46] <scott-work> this is fairly representative
[18:46] <scott-work> fr-z: okay, can i use vague terms to describe an effect then?
[18:46] <fr-z> sure
[18:48] <scott-work> my philosophy is that a pretty or fancy desktop is a distraction from doing pretty and fancy work ;)
[18:48] <scott-work> i think the desktop should not draw attention but be completely functional
[18:48] <scott-work> transparent but accessible, perhaps
[18:49] <fr-z> thats why usability exists, its to serve those needs :)
[18:49] <scott-work> i like the xubuntu 11.04 theme because it has an understated simplicity that allows you to function
[18:50] <scott-work> there are some thing i would change, but i'll mention those later
[18:50] <scott-work> if the target audience is to be users new to ubuntu/linux then we should maintain the expect desktop paradigm
[18:50] <scott-work> i.e. no unity or gnome3
[18:51] <scott-work> xfce is a light weight and still developed alternative to gnome-panel that maintains the familiar desktop paradigm
[18:51] <scott-work> i would prefer neutral colors but perhpas this is the wrong adjective
[18:51] <scott-work> by neutral i mean that it doesn't attract attention
[18:52] <scott-work> so i would prefer grey (or gray as americans spell it), dark grey, or black for colors
[18:52] <fr-z> unity and gnome 3 are an insult to usability. I have a graphic station runing it and i will format if soon. On a well organized UI you work fast. On those you take too much time to swap between apps and the workflow is very bad
[18:52] <scott-work> i would like the window dressing to be uncluttered with fifteen jabillion window options...three buttons should suffice
[18:53] <scott-work> fr-z: agreed!  especially for audio work where you will have at least five active windows and perhaps as much as twenty with synth work!
[18:53] <scott-work> the desktop wallpaper should be fairly homogenous and not cluttered
[18:54] <fr-z> fully agree
[18:54] <scott-work> a simple logo design that is unobtrusive would be acceptable if tacitly placed in a corner perhaps
[18:54] <fr-z> who has a long work day on a station will need to feel the UI ans a structure that supports the apps
[18:57] <fr-z> i think the paradigm should be maintained. Not only for those that work on audio or graphics but, as you mentioned, on new users. Ppl i installed ubuntu where very happy and working on it. Now with unity they are on panic and cant work. Some are getting back to windos
[18:57] <fr-z> thats why unity is a fail
[18:57] <fr-z> not even talking about the left bar.
[18:58] <fr-z> when you work, you need an harmony, and a strong bar pushing the view to one side of the UI, like on unity, is not good for a designer
[18:58] <fr-z> the workflow is needed, the simplicity
[18:59] <scott-work> i would posit that those who work with keystrokes instead of mouse can function very well with gnome3 or unity still, but that is not the majority of users though
[18:59] <scott-work> especially new ones to linux
[19:00] <fr-z> true
[19:00] <scott-work> i used unity for several months on my laptop, same with gnome3
[19:00] <scott-work> i didn't like it very much although i found gnome3 slightly more usable with the "hot corner" and more than four workspaces
[19:01] <scott-work> but as far as specifics for a theme, i can't offer much more than what i have already mentioned
[19:02] <scott-work> although i can offer a link to the most recent theme that i liked:  http://ubuntu-art.org/content/show.php/Ambiance+dark?content=132875
[19:03] <fr-z> thats about the same i use :)
[19:03] <scott-work> not theme related but i think we might also want to reconsider our menu to ensure it is simplified
[19:04] <fr-z> how can i help? i make a sketch "screenshot" and send to you ?
[19:04] <scott-work> i think that could be extremely helpful :)
[19:04] <fr-z> nice
[19:05] <fr-z> how can i do it?
[19:05] <scott-work> send the "screenshot" to me?  my email is scottalavender@gmail.com
[19:06] <scott-work> someone did suggest we use an existing theme to minimize our efforts but i haven't found a theme that is quite there
[19:10] <fr-z> i will work on it and will send it to you as soon as i can
[19:11] <fr-z> i will go to have dinner now i will get back later thank you for the help :)
[19:11] <scott-work> greybird was the theme used for xubuntu 11.04, i'm not sure what is being used for 11.10 but i will find out tongith when i install it ;)
[19:11] <scott-work> okay, thank you fr-z 
[19:12] <fr-z> ;)
[20:16] <sd_ubuntu_> Hi!
[20:17] <sd_ubuntu_> it takes much time before to start?
[20:17] <sd_ubuntu_> (sorry for my english :-) )
[22:41] <fr-z> hi