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XubuntuKriswould it be possible to have a shared ftp server mounted to my hd?00:21
XubuntuKrisIt's the server for a website that I help develope.00:21
xrdodrxXubuntuKris, "mounted"?00:28
xrdodrxXubuntuKris, if you have ssh access you can do this with sshfs00:28
XubuntuKrisah.00:29
xrdodrxI believe what you want to do is browse the remote server using thunar00:29
xrdodrxright?00:29
XubuntuKrisI'll have to ask about that.00:29
XubuntuKrisyes00:29
XubuntuKristhat's exactly what I want to do00:29
xrdodrxThere might be a similar tool for plain FTP, but I'm not sure :(00:29
XubuntuKrisI hate filezilla and other such ftp programs00:29
xrdodrxSSH is the way to go anyway when transferring files over the internet :)00:29
xrdodrxSFTP/SSH*00:29
XubuntuKrisI'll ask the server owner if he'll allow sftp/shh access.00:30
XubuntuKristhanks xrdodrx00:31
xrdodrxno trouble at all XubuntuKris :)00:35
XubuntuKrisOne more question..I'm upgrading from 11.04 to 11.10 and it disabled my third party sources, how do I re-enable them?00:36
xrdodrxXubuntuKris, tell me if you figure it out :o)00:36
XubuntuKrislol, I take it you don't know either?00:37
xrdodrxi saw that dialog as well, i'm quite sure it was referring to ppa's..00:37
uofm49426are the cd iso posted yet00:37
xrdodrxi'll probably have to re-add all the ppa's i had added00:37
xrdodrx:s00:37
XubuntuKrisI have the android source enabled00:38
uofm49426is there a way to upgrade to 11.10 form 10.1000:38
xrdodrxuofm49426, yes, update to 11.04 then 11.1000:38
uofm49426is there a way to upgrade to 11.10 from 10.1000:39
uofm49426downloading a fresh iso would be quicker00:39
xrdodrxwhy did you repeat yourself? :<00:39
ElderDryasXubuntuKris: Still need to know about the re-enabling?00:39
XubuntuKrisYes ElderDryas00:39
xrdodrxwell then do that, there is no supported upgrade path that takes you directly from 10.10 to 11.1000:39
ElderDryasSynaptic>Settings>Repositiries>other software00:40
ElderDryasShould be there, unchecked00:40
XubuntuKristhen find it in (I'm assuming) a list of sources?00:40
uofm49426i get a error 404 when trying to download the iso00:41
XubuntuKriscause it's not there.00:41
XubuntuKrismaybe00:41
ElderDryasXubuntuKris: Don't know then, that's where I've always found them...but then I don't do PPA's anymore00:43
XubuntuKrisno, I was talking to uofm49426.lol00:43
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lorn_is there a hotkey to show/hide the menubar in thunar03:02
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Shirakawasunahow scary is a xubuntu 11.04 -> 11.10 update? I backed up, but have never upgraded ubuntu before05:48
well_laid_lawnShirakawasuna: not as scary as updating to 11.10 without a back up05:54
faryshta_Hello can someone help me with a BCM5787M chipset on ubuntu 11.10?07:03
cjsSo, I need some advice from some smart Ubuntu users who don't use Gnome. I think here is a likely place?07:18
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cjsBasically, I run the gnome session manager, gnome-panel, and fvwm2. I'm getting rather annoyed by the upheavals gnome places in my life every time I upgrade Ubuntu, and I'm wondering if using a different session manager would be a possible solution to gain more stability.07:19
cjsBut I'm not clear on a lot of the mechanisms used for stuff like applications (such as network manager) displaying status icons in gnome-panel or whatever, and what I can use as a replacement.07:20
faryshta_cjs you want to get totally rid of gnome?07:21
cjsThe thought is attractive.07:22
cjsXfce has its own session manager, right?07:23
faryshta_cjs: then I suggest to try lxde.07:23
Guest46533damn I tryed ubuntu 11.10 now I'm lost :(07:23
knomethe best thing to start with is to install either xubuntu-desktop or lubuntu-desktop07:23
faryshta_cjs:  yes.07:23
knomexubuntu is a bit more featurerich and mature, but lubuntu is lighter07:24
faryshta_knome: besides lubuntu looks like W.XP :P07:24
knomei don't know about that, haven't really used it07:24
knomeGuest46533, lost with what?07:25
Guest46533new desktop07:25
Guest46533look too much like mac, I want my old good gnome back07:25
Guest46533or xfce07:25
knomeGuest46533, if you have installed *ubuntu*, you can get help in #ubuntu.07:25
cjsfaryshta_: lxde sounds good to me.07:25
faryshta_cjs its very stable, light and fast. I think is much better than gnome and kde.07:26
faryshta_cjs sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop07:26
knomewhich is also what can be said about xubuntu/xfce07:26
cjsSo what's the difference between the lubuntu-desktop and lxde packages?07:27
Guest46533yeah honestly the one I prefer was xfce, but it also the one I experienced most freeze07:27
knomecjs, everything might not work as expected with only lxde packages. you probably should ask #lubuntu for more insight on that07:28
faryshta_cjs: knome also ask on how to delete the gnome desktop07:28
knome!puregnome07:28
faryshta_AFAIK its not simple.07:28
ubottuIf you want to remove all !Kubuntu packages or !Xubuntu packages and have a default !Ubuntu system, follow the instructions here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureGnome07:28
knomeerr07:28
knome!purelxde07:29
ubottuIf you want to remove all !KDE, !GNOME and !XFCE packages and have a default !Lubuntu system follow the instructions here « http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purelxde »07:29
knome^ there is the process07:29
cjsHm. Ok. Keep in mind I will be replacing the window manager; anything special I should know about that?07:29
faryshta_ohh nice.07:29
cjsI don't mind having all the Gnome stuff installed on my system; it makes it easy if other people need to use it and have a reaosnably familiar environment.07:29
faryshta_cjs demands goat sacrifices every thursday.07:29
faryshta_cjs lxde demands goat sacrifices every thursday.07:29
cjsI'm quite used to animal sacrifices to keep things running. I've been running fvwm on top of Gnome for years now. :-)07:30
knomecjs, removing gnome3 hasn't always worked / people have had problems with running gnome3+something else parallel, but i don't know if that's fixed in the final version07:30
faryshta_gnome3 demands your first born and 3 mana tiers to be removed.07:32
cjsWhat  do you mean by "running gnome3+something else parallel"?07:33
knomefaryshta_, okay, please stop that07:33
faryshta_knome k.07:33
knomecjs, for example, installing gnome3 and xfce might have been problematic, but you can only know by installing, i suppose...07:33
cjsHm.07:33
cjsWell, I guess I will find out....07:34
faryshta_I always go for fresh install but now I am suffering my decision.07:34
knomefresh install is the best choice, if you can do that07:34
cjsI can do it, I suppose....07:34
faryshta_except I don't have wifi now.07:34
cjsOh wow! Xen is back!07:38
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cjsHm. So, I installed lubuntu-desktop, set the display manager to lxdm, and rebooted. Now I get no login window, just a blue background with some wavy blue lines on it.07:51
cjslxdm-binary and /usr/lib/lxdm/lxdm-greeter-gtk are running.07:52
cjsOh, maybe I should be asking this on #lubuntu?07:52
knomecjs, yeah, that would be a better place07:53
cjsKinda quiet over there, though.07:56
cjsWell, I can just use gdm. That works quite nicely for me.07:56
cjsOh darn! I like the lxe panel! faryshta_, you may have just improved my life enormously.07:59
zushowdy07:59
knomehello08:00
zusim not finding where to turn of tap to click on the trackpad...08:02
well_laid_lawnit'll be in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-synaptics afaik08:07
knomeisn't there gsynaptics or sth for GUI modificaitons08:08
knome!gsynaptics08:08
knome!info gsynaptics08:08
ubottugsynaptics (source: gpointing-device-settings): configuration tool for pointing devices (transitional package). In component universe, is optional. Version 1.5.1-5ubuntu1 (oneiric), package size 2 kB, installed size 36 kB08:08
zusi thought there was a menu settings under mouse08:08
WonkyWiFiI want to get rid of password prompt after suspend/hibernate. I already have auto login setup and disabled screensaver. TIA.08:10
cjsHow much disk space does a basic xubuntu install use? lxubuntu seems huge.08:16
knomecjs, about 3GB, a bit less08:18
cjsHm. Seems similar to gnome.08:20
knomethat's because there is default applications that are installed08:21
knomethere is the minimal CD if you want to have as slim system as possible08:21
knome!minimal08:21
ubottuThe Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only those you want (the installer is like the one on the !Alternate CD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD08:21
zusif i were to copy the mouse/trackpad part of another xorgconf, and paste it in, would i then also have no "tap-to-click"08:22
knomezus, if that's what you've set in the other configuration, i suppose that would work too08:22
zusknome:  i know  "Linuxmint Debian edition XFCE" has disable touchpad when type and tap to click off. enabled by default...think that should work?08:24
knomezus, i don't know08:25
visitor1can pls somebody say what xubuntu updated today? nvidia driver?08:28
visitor1its a new graphic card driver?08:29
visitor1but it didnt even want a reboot?08:29
knomevisitor1, oneiric ocelot (11.10) was released yesterday08:32
visitor1yes, but i use the lts 10.408:32
Math^hello there, can someone tell me what calculator app comes with Xubuntu by default?08:33
knomeMath^, gnumeric, if you mean spreadsheets08:34
knomevisitor1, nothing should have changes afaik08:34
Math^hmm, no just a small calc08:34
knome*changed08:34
knomeMath^, gcalctool08:34
Math^knome, thnx :)08:34
knomenp08:34
visitor1but it loaded something like 20MB nvidia stuff08:35
knomevisitor1, it might be the nvidia drivers got updated then. is there a problem with that?08:35
Math^knome, hmm, it's not themable?08:35
visitor1no i just wondered08:35
visitor1also i will have to try if flash is working better now08:36
interglacialhi everyone, is there a launcher in xfce or one that works well with it?08:36
Math^knome, thnx, seems like it's the one. but it's not using my GTK theme08:36
knomeMath^, if you mean something like completely change the "skin", no, i don't think so08:36
knomeMath^, it should use the gtk theme though08:36
Math^hmm08:36
knomeMath^, well, it has some hardcoded colors i think, but it shouldn't look all bad08:37
knomeinterglacial, launcher?08:37
knomeinterglacial, are you referring to something like gdm or xfrun or something else?08:37
interglacialsomething like spotlight in osx or the launcher in unity, hit a key and type the name of your program and it searches for it08:38
interglacialknome, i'll look at xfrun, havent heard of that before08:39
knomeinterglacial, xfce4-appfinder too08:39
interglacialknome, thanks! i'll see if i've got that or install it08:40
interglacialknome, thanks-again. xfce4-appfinder is just what i was looking for. now i'll figure out how to bind it to my windows key and i'm sorted!08:44
knomeinterglacial, settings manager -> keyboard -> tab application shortcuts08:44
knomeinterglacial, i think you need something else than just winkey though08:44
knomeinterglacial, i was wrong. you can bind to winkey only :)08:45
interglacialknome, oh cool!08:45
interglacialhey xfrun is already there. i guess i need to poke around in xfce some more :)08:47
knomeyup. alt+f2, as in most OS'es actually08:47
l0lwutHas anyone had trouble with the 11.10 update? I just updated and now I can get into xfce, I get the splash screen that says waiting for a network connection which times out after a few minutes and then just black08:47
knomel0lwut, well i'm about 40 minutes away from having upgraded08:48
knomel0lwut, do you use wireless?08:48
l0lwutyeah08:48
interglaciali had big problems until i deleted all my hidden settings directories from my home directory08:48
knomemmh. i wonder why the splash screen is waiting for network though08:48
l0lwuteven once i get stuck here if i switch over to the command line and connect everything and try to start xfce it just hangs08:49
knomel0lwut, you can start by trying to delete ~/.cache first08:49
interglaciall0lwut, have you tried logging on as a new user?08:49
l0lwutI cant even get to the login windown08:50
l0lwutwindow*08:50
l0lwutI'ts just black after the splash08:50
interglaciall0lwut, oh08:50
l0lwutthere was also nothing in cache08:50
knomenot even hidden files? :)08:51
l0lwutthe folder didnt even exist08:51
knome.cache? (note the dot)08:52
knomein your /home/username08:52
l0lwutyes nothing thhere08:52
knomehmmh. weird.08:52
l0lwutIt's weird I'm able to get into the command line but i cant get a window manager to start for the life of me08:54
knomedo you have /etc/X11/xorg.conf?08:54
l0lwutyes08:55
l0lwutwhat is the command to start xubuntu from the shell?08:55
l0lwutxfce i guess08:55
lightastart-xfce4_session08:56
lightasomething like that wait08:56
knomestartxfce4 i suppose08:56
knome:)08:56
l0lwutwell im in on a different window head08:59
l0lwutAnyone have an idea where to start trouble shooting this?08:59
knomeremoving/backuping all .-starting directories in home could help09:00
knome(of course, you lose all the configurations then...)09:00
knomewith 11.10, we are using lightdm, but with 11.04, gdm. that might have something to do with it too09:00
l0lwutThe thing is I'm not even logged in at that point09:01
l0lwutSHit thats it09:01
l0lwutI told the installer to use gdm09:01
l0lwutHow do you switch it bac?09:01
l0lwutback*09:01
knomeyou are amongst the first people who have problems, so it's hard to say what's wrong09:01
knomei don't know09:01
interglaciall0lwut, if you dont even get the login maybe it's something to do with the new lightdm - i think i chose to keep with gdm when the upgrade happened09:01
knomeusing lightdm is vey recommended though09:02
knome*very09:02
interglacialdoes anyone know how to switch between the two?09:02
l0lwutinterglacial, I chose to use gdm when it asked me.09:02
knomei can't browse the web right now (i'm upgrading), but i'm sure google will know quite quickly09:02
interglaciall0lwut, ah ok, same as me then09:02
l0lwutgdm killed it though09:02
l0lwutI cant login without spawing a new x session manually09:02
l0lwutgot it, dkpg-reconfigure gdm09:05
l0lwutif anyone was curious09:05
interglaciall0lwut, ha! you beat me too it, just running that now09:06
l0lwutrebooting, lets see if this works09:06
interglaciall0lwut, good luck09:07
l0lwutThis stuff always happens when i have other stuff to do09:07
knomeof course, mr. murphy09:07
gentoo_drummeranyone here?09:07
l0lwutHuge deadline at noon tomorrow and i decided to update tonight lol09:07
l0lwutGold ol murphy09:07
gentoo_drummercan i change the kernel config on ubuntu?09:07
gentoo_drummeri want to get rid of the genkernel config09:07
MamboKurthit there! just a small "bug". i write it here because im too lazy to regiter at launchpad. if i install chromium browser i cant select it in prefered applications. i think this is a missing .desktop file.09:08
knomegentoo_drummer, you'd probably be better asking in #ubuntu-kernel09:08
l0lwut...I have to wait for 3 min for the network config to time out. Is there a way to start your wireless config before you are logged in? I tried putting a script in init.d that loaded wpa_supplicant but it doesn't seem to be working09:09
lightal0lwut, init.d I read after session start I think09:12
l0lwutdamn, that change didn't help09:14
l0lwutstill hanging09:14
interglacialhmm, well it sounds like other people are having similar problems in the main ubuntu channel.09:15
l0lwutYeah i was seeing that as well09:15
interglaciali wonder which log file gdm/lightdm write to. sorry i'm not an expert09:15
interglacialcan you get up and running to do the work you need to do today by launching the session manually - maybe it's better to wait until other people have worked through your problem for you09:17
l0lwutYeah i can09:17
l0lwutI'm in xfce now09:17
l0lwutI just dont like leaving my machine in this state lol09:18
interglacialgood, i've had update disasters in the past, i know how you feel09:18
l0lwutI feel helpless sometimes in ubuntu09:19
l0lwutI grew up on slackware09:19
l0lwutAnd I can never seem to figure out exactly wth ubuntu is doing09:19
interglaciali rekon things were simpler back then, all OSes are too bloated09:20
l0lwutYeah, I agree09:20
l0lwutI'd like to switch to gentoo or arch but I just don't have the time to invest in that right now09:21
l0lwutI must sound old, I'm only 19 I can't really complain about the "old days" haha09:21
interglaciali've tried loads of different ones, you just seem to trade one set of problems for another. on balance i still think ubuntu results in the least overall grief09:22
knomebooting now to see if upgrade worked09:22
l0lwutYeah, that's what drove me to it in the first place09:22
knomebrb, or if something went nuts, bbl09:22
l0lwutgood luck!09:22
lightawhat about fedora ? I was thinking to give a try09:23
lightano idea ?09:23
l0lwutI played around with fedora for a while but reverted back to slack ware after a week or two09:24
lightaoh short while then09:24
l0lwutyeah lol09:24
interglaciali used to use fedora until about a year ago09:25
interglacialreason i switched was the distro seemed too unstable, updates coming down every day and almost every week i'd end up having to re-fix some driver or other09:26
l0lwutI just couldn't get it working properly in the first place09:26
interglacialmaybe things have improved but the grass is never greener on the other side of the fence, just a different shade of dusty brown09:26
l0lwutI think it was the graphics drives that ended up forcing me to switch. 4 monitors was a pain to configure manually in xorg09:27
lightaahw, now I dun feel like trying anymore =( well I'll see09:27
l0lwutI've heard really good things about arch09:27
interglacialoh sorry, it does have some good points too09:27
lightana don't worry I certainly give a try someday09:28
interglacialSELinux in fedora is really neat and administration to me at least seemed more straightforward (standard uni runlevels rather than upstart)09:30
lightaI was thinking, found it fun difference of community : mac "oh yeah new iphone 5 is out whit iOS5 etc.." and us "oh cool new desktop, then 2min later wtf is my old button !!" xd09:31
interglacialhaha09:32
lightanot true ?09:32
interglacialwell things are a lot more fluid and there seems to be bigger changes happening all the time09:33
lightayes that why I'm upgrading too =)09:33
lightawell not alway faster since they quite overloading stuff, (need new pc probably)09:35
interglaciali think the problem is the applications can change in ways that people don't like - i used to be a fan of the old KDE but haven't been able to stand it since version 409:35
lightawell was it application or GUI ?, studying interface thoses day, but well quite a cli users found it more easier sometime, well maybe cause I like todo script09:38
l0lwutkde  was a window manager09:40
lightatought he was talking about the entire kde-session package09:41
interglaciali was referring to kde as the whole desktop environment and user experience09:42
knomehmpf. i seem to have the same problem, except i can't get to xfce any way09:55
l0lwutWhat happens when you try and start it?09:59
l0lwutI have to manually go into command line (alt f1) and start it with startxfce4 -- :109:59
knomei can't get to any other tty.10:00
knomethe screen is goinfg on/off10:00
l0lwuthmm10:00
l0lwutI don't really know what to do there10:00
l0lwutI think i read somewhere that you can pass in a param to grub to do a non graphical boot10:00
l0lwutlet me see if I can find it10:01
knomeyeah, i can do that10:01
knomei can get to the recovery mode10:01
l0lwutset gfxpaylod=text   source: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/BlankScreen10:02
knomel0lwut, doesn't seem to affect anything10:11
l0lwutI don't know, I couldn't get it to work either. Maybe I interpreted what the instructions were saying wrong?10:12
l0lwutI got that from here, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/BlankScreen10:12
knomel0lwut, i think i'm going for a clean install.10:13
knomel0lwut, that worked on my eeepc10:13
l0lwutIt's just so much work doing a fresh install10:17
knomekind of10:17
knomebut i have backups of my /home10:18
knomei know it's not what i should do really, because there must be a way to fix this, but on the other hand, it's probably the fastest way10:19
knomethe problem is i might not have a 700MB disc10:20
l0lwutDo you have a jumpdrive?10:28
l0lwutYou said you installed it on your eee10:28
knomeyeah, but for some reason, i can't get it to boot on my desktop10:29
knomei'm adding the .iso to grub ;)10:30
l0lwutaaah everything is broken... I chose a really bad time to update10:32
l0lwutmy apache config is so messed up!10:33
YeahRighthi guys..i'm running xubuntu 10.04..can i upgrade to 11.10 in one step or do i need to update to 10.10 first? update manager seems to give me 10.10 option only atm..could someone telle me plz?10:35
Myrttiif you want to update via update manager, then yes through 10.1010:35
knomeYeahRight, you need to upgrade to 10.10 and 11.04 first10:35
Myrttiand then 11.0410:35
knomeYeahRight, or wait for 12.0410:35
l0lwut11.10 seems pretty unstable right now. You might want to stop at 11.0410:35
l0lwutat least if you are upgrading10:36
YeahRightok thanks for the answer10:40
YeahRightknome : why will updating to 12.04 be possible in one step? :P10:41
knomeYeahRight, LTS to LTS10:42
YeahRightbut 11.04 is LTS too isnt it?10:42
knomeno10:42
YeahRightoh ok10:42
YeahRightupgrading is supposed to leave my installation alone right?10:43
l0lwutYes10:52
l0lwutYeahRight, Your settings should be preserved through the update process10:52
erejnionok... for what I do, I use generally three languages: english, japanese and bulgarian. Is there an easy way to switch between these three, or I will have to use ibus for japanese, and something else for bulgarian, for example?10:53
YeahRightok great10:53
YeahRightthanks l0lwut10:53
incorrecti guess gtk3 apps are just going to look ugly and there is next to nothing that can be done?10:54
erejnionscim should do the work, eh?11:13
wsthi11:17
knomeyay, i can get to a tty ;)11:17
wsti am currently installing xubuntu 11.10 and it seems to be downloading something from a server with very low upload speed11:18
wstthere is a "skip" button but it doesn't show _what_ i am skipping11:18
wsti tried changing the software sources to a faster mirror before the installation but nothing changed11:19
l0lwutknome, did you do a fresh install?12:21
xubuntu831can you suggest me some text editors that doesn't use gnome or kde dependecies12:42
nakaleafpad / mousepad12:47
xubuntu831some that has tabs12:48
nakahmm12:49
xubuntu831something similar to gedit or kate12:50
nakathere's editra12:50
nakathere's probably something lighter out there but i don't know it, myself12:51
wstgeany is great12:57
wsttechnically it's an ide but you can use it as text editor too, it's really fast and light weight12:58
wstoh, i haven't noticed that he/she left13:00
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xubuntu724hi all! moving from ubuntu to xubuntu right now!14:33
xubuntu724; )14:33
pteague_workheh, got a nice nifty window popup about oneiric, but the "ask me later" button doesn't seem to work ;)14:38
ElderDryaspop up saying what?14:41
incorrectis there a vnc client that is still gtk2 and doesn't look ugly?14:56
MikeExEnjoying the release but have a small cosmetic problem. some programs are not being themed (already fixed sudo themes). Programs like jockey, software center, update manager... any advice?15:12
ElderDryasMikeEx: Define "not being themes"?  What theme are you using? My Software Center looks themed to me.15:13
MikeExany, included or custom15:14
ElderDryasThe theme(s) used question is solved, now define "not being themed" please.15:15
MikeExI guess the GTK engine isn't being applied to these programs? buttons are squared and such.15:17
MikeExthe theme I have applied has nice round edges15:17
ElderDryasBut if you mahe the theme, say NOX, Doe the color scheme change to a darker grey?15:19
MikeExno15:20
MikeExonly "high contrast" changes it15:20
MikeExhmm, and greybird15:21
ElderDryasgreybird is a light grey and NOX is a dark grey...you're saying that there is no change moving from one to the other?15:21
MikeExright, also greybird is the only theme that will work for these programs15:22
focalt_yo guys15:23
focalt_how can I make a backup of my system state right now?15:23
ryannathansfocalt_: clonezilla15:24
ryannathansor hibernate15:24
ElderDryasMikeEx: What video card do you have?15:24
ryannathansclonezilla is for cloneing hdd/partitons15:24
MikeExmaybe a permission problem? user level and elevated programs are properly themed15:24
ryannathansfocalt_: you can't really unless you in VM15:24
focalt_hum...15:25
MikeExhd4850, r600g15:25
ElderDryasMikeEx: Could be, but unless you15:25
focalt_so basically if my harddisk blows up, all my my system state (ie software, etc) goes with it15:25
MikeExand gerybird is the default theme15:26
focalt_basically I realized that I tweak my environment, xfce etc15:26
focalt_and yesterday I tought "hum... if I loose all of it I won't start again tweaking"15:26
ryannathansfocalt_: oh.. use clonezilla15:26
moljac024why cant xubuntu alternate be installed from usb?15:29
moljac024it always fails on the select and install packages step15:29
moljac024my laptop's cd drive is shot to hell and it cant read cds so i can only install from usb15:30
ElderDryasMikeEx: Changing from greybird to NOX makes no changes on everything or just those apps you mentioned?15:30
MikeExjust the apps mentioned.15:30
ElderDryasah15:30
ElderDryassorry mu mistake15:31
MikeExarchive manager, calculator, character map, and a few others as well15:33
ElderDryasMikeEx:  not having rounded button I can understand, some apps hard code such things in (as in FF's background color not matching the default theme's background color), but NO change when changing themes, I'm stumped.15:33
MikeExAlright thanks anyways. ill probably just nuke and pave over.15:34
ryannathansmoljac024: i have same problem D:15:35
ryannathanssame as ubuntu/kubuntu15:35
MikeExhmm, maybe its gtk3 related?15:37
ElderDryasMikeEx: What happens when you change Window Manager?15:37
MikeExxsession errors has a bunch of lines from those themes i shifted through15:38
MikeEx2011-10-14 08:21:35,598 - softwarecenter.ui.gtk3.utils - INFO - Softwarecenter style provider for industrial Gtk theme: /usr/share/software-center/ui/gtk3/css/softwarecenter.css15:38
MikeExwindows are properly decorated15:39
ElderDryasMikeEx: And does the css file mention exist?15:42
MikeExyes15:42
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MikeExI think these programs are expecting the themes to have a gtk3 sub folder15:43
ElderDryasMikeEx: Could be.....15:44
ElderDryasMikeEx: But I'm using a custom gtk2 theme (with no gtk3 folder) and am having no problems.15:45
moljac024so xubuntu alternate cant be installed from usb?15:45
moljac024and u cant set up luks/lvm from the desktop image15:45
MikeExhmm15:46
ElderDryasMikeEx: I'm just fumbling around trying to come up with something, but...nothing :(15:47
moljac024so basically if you know more about your computer than how to turn it on, dont use moron-friendly ubuntu?15:47
MikeExI appreciate the effort15:47
pteague_workElderDryas, the popup title is "Ubuntu 11.10 Upgrade Available" & the window says "A new version of Ubuntu is available. Would you like to upgrade? ..." with info on oneiric ocelot15:50
MikeExbe back15:52
mikeexOk problem identified, The themes that don't work, dont have a gtk3 sub folder15:58
mikeexI just tried adwaita and it worked15:58
williammwis it normal for an upgrade to tkae like 2 days?15:58
mikeexnot sure what I did wrong if your gtk2 only themes work16:02
zuswhere is the mouse settings? and has anyone got  "tap-to-click" disabled, permanently"  like not having to redo the gsynaptics every log in16:04
mikeex@ElderDryas thanks again for your effort, problem solved16:04
pteague_workwilliammw, huh? are you talking about to download the packages?16:05
zusanyone know if i can also copy the xorgconf from LmDe-XFCE (which has tap to click disable on default, into xubuntu if that also would work.16:06
ntollhi. Just installed 11.10 and having problems. I have a dual-monitor set-up but can't find a way to stop them mirroring each other. How do I make my desktop stretch across both monitors???16:07
mikeexare they both DVI?16:07
williammwno, im talking about the 11.10 upgrade. i upgraded but it took like 2 days, terminal was taking it sweet time configuring16:07
ntollmikeex, you asking me?16:08
mikeexno16:08
mikeexyes16:08
mikeexntoll , sorry going blind16:09
ntollmikeex, I'll take that as a maybe... ;-)16:09
ntollI'm on a laptop16:09
ntollon a macbook actually16:10
ntollso, er, yes... the external monitor is DVI IIRC16:10
ntollconnected via DVI I mean16:10
ntollmikeex, actually, of course it is16:11
ntolldoh16:11
* ntoll is hoping there's some easy way to fix it.16:11
mikeexxrandr -q     | will identify your displays16:11
ntollmikeex, yup16:11
mikeexmy setup for example is dual DVI monitors, dvi-0 is my primary, dvi-1 is my secondary16:12
mikeextry the equivalent to    "xrandr --output DVI-1 --right-of DVI-0 --auto"16:12
ntollhttp://pastebin.ubuntu.com/708077/16:13
mikeexyou would use16:13
mikeexlooks like your second screen is connected to a vga plug16:14
mikeextry this16:14
ntollxrandr --output VGA1 --right-of LVDS1 --auto16:14
ntoll^^^ seems to have worked16:14
mikeexya16:14
ntollmikeex,16:14
ntollyeah16:14
ntollok... so rather than drop into terminal, how do I set this up "automagically"... or did I just do that..?16:15
ntollmikeex, last time I had to play with X was when you hand wrote x config files by hand16:15
mikeexUsually one would go to settings>settings manager>Display16:16
mikeexbut that has never worked for me, i always end up having to use xrandr16:16
ntollmikeex, yeah... but I there's no "Mirror displays" checkbox (or something like it)16:16
mikeexThe XFCE team needs to fix it16:16
ntollmikeex, ok... so it's an XFCE thing16:17
mikeexI think so16:17
ntollmikeex, but now that I've issued the command will it work after I reboot..?16:17
mikeexsadly... no. I have gotten it to stick a few times, but I don't know what I did exactly.16:17
ntollmikeex, ok16:18
ntollthanks for the help16:18
mikeexNp16:19
MikeExJust nuke and paved. same GTK3 theme problem.16:48
f0x09is there any sftp client for xubuntu like that one for ubuntu connect to server16:48
f0x09and open the remote in a directory16:48
xrdodrxIs there any way to "log in automatically" with the new lightdm greeter?16:53
Sysilightdm seems to suck, you can't login with double-click or pressing enter, only by pressing button17:18
Sysihidder or nonexistant autologin17:18
SysiI was happy when "they" copied osx, not windows17:19
Unit193LightDM is made for Ubuntu, not Xubuntu or anyone else. There were a few problems with it17:20
Sysisomething canonical would do17:21
XubuntuKrisWhy did my upgrade to 11.10 break a bunch of theme things?17:24
XubuntuKriswth?17:25
XubuntuKrisand why does xchat do that to me..17:25
XubuntuKrisIt randomly closes whatever channel I'm in.17:25
XubuntuKrisblah17:25
SysiXubuntuKris: gtk3, you need theme supporting it17:25
XubuntuKrisO.o17:26
XubuntuKrissupporting what?17:26
XubuntuKrisSysi^^17:27
XubuntuKrisI didn't understand what you said17:28
ElderDryasSysi: I'm confused...the GTK2 themes (stock and custom) appear to work just fine with my 11.1017:28
ElderDryasI thought GTK3 wasn't coming until 4.10, next spring?17:29
ElderDryasXubuntuKris: But others have noted problems too, no idea what's going on.17:35
SysiElderDryas: xfce uses gtk2 but apps are gtk317:35
Sysithat's what causes problems, though greybird should work on both17:36
ElderDryasSysi: OK, let's take 2 of the apps that were talked about earlier (Software Center and jocky). When I change the theme to NOX (which has no gtk3), both show the NOX theme (as opposed to what was said earlier here).17:41
ElderDryasWhere am I going off track here?17:41
Sysilet me check my oneiric17:42
Sysinox doesn't work for jockey on my oneiric17:43
Sysigreybird works, clean install of 11.1017:44
ElderDryasSysi: I used the daily from last Monday and have applied all updates since (very few:).  Maybe that's the problem?17:48
Sysidunno, I have few days old daily17:49
ElderDryasSysi: I;m going to boot my USB of the release and see what that does.  Back in a few.17:50
xubuntu211i am in the process of finishing an xubuntu istall and it is seemingly frozen. what should i do?17:57
ElderDryasSysi: Nope, with the release on my USB,  I still get theme change between greybird and NOX on SC and jockey :(17:58
XubuntuKrisI'm installing now to a 36gig external hd. Fresh wipe and install. I'll test theming and such.17:59
XubuntuKrisMaybe it's just messing up because of some leftovers from 11.04?17:59
XubuntuKrisI.17:59
ElderDryasBTW, charlie-tca on vacation (not that he doesn't deserve one)18:00
XubuntuKrisI.E. : cache files, etc.18:00
ElderDryasXubuntuKris: dunno, "I'm so confused" :)18:00
XubuntuKrislol. Me too.18:00
XubuntuKrisIt didn't break anything when I upgraded from 10.04 to 10.10 or to 11.0418:01
ElderDryasAs my dad used to say "Son, you've got your tongue over your eye-teeth and can't see what you're doing"  Maybe that's it :)18:02
XubuntuKrislol.18:04
XubuntuKrisWhen this install is done, I'll look into some more theories I have..18:04
ElderDryasIf it wasn't for Sysi's clean install from the release version, I'd say it might be from a holdover from 11.04 or a daily-build18:08
uofm49426do i need to reset  up bttv after upgrade18:10
ElderDryasuofm49426: ?18:11
uofm49426the module18:11
uofm49426like card 17 tuner 30 radio1 in the options18:12
ElderDryasuofm49426: I have no idea, and no idea what a "up bttv" is, sorry.18:13
uofm49426its in video2 linux]18:14
dr_jkluh, if i ugprade using the update manager, it's not going to nuke my xubuntu and give me ubuntu is it?18:14
ElderDryasdr_jkl: It shouldn't.18:14
uofm49426Brooktree tv card drivers18:15
ElderDryasuofm49426: Still no idea, but I'm guessing you'd be better off asking the question in #ubuntu, as it's probably not a xubuntu specific question.18:17
ElderDryasMore chance of someone knowing the answer there18:18
dr_jkli wonder why the upgrade wants to remove Eagle.18:21
* dr_jkl will just reinstall it after, but.. hm. curious.18:22
ElderDryasdr_jkl: What's Eagle?18:22
dr_jklEAGLE lets you design printed circuit boards in a format suitble for having them made at a fab  house.18:22
ElderDryasDid you use a ppa to install it?18:22
dr_jkli don't remember. heh.18:23
dr_jklno big deal, i cna put it back.18:23
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ElderDryasdr_jkl: It did say it was removeing Eagle, not just disabling a third party ppa?18:23
dr_jklit did say it was removing EAGLE.18:24
ElderDryasno idea then18:24
ElderDryasBet it had something to do with dependencies though18:25
MikeExTo chime in from earlier, The problem was replicated with a fresh install18:25
ElderDryasMikeEx: Seems like I'm the only one WITHOUT the problem.18:27
MikeExAnd you didn't do anything special?18:28
MikeExI ended up copying greybird's gtk+3.0 folder into the theme I'm using, It's close enough.18:28
ElderDryasWell, I DID sacrifice a chicken before starting...I'm old school that way :)18:28
MikeExlol18:28
dr_jklto be on the safe side, i've backed up /home to a sdcard and i have a bootable thumbdrive version of the 11.10 installer >_>18:29
dr_jklbuuuuuuuut i think this should work18:29
ElderDryasdr_jkl: Just don't format the /home partiton...you do have a seperate /home right?18:30
dr_jkli haven't had an ubuntu upgrade b0rk my system since hardy18:31
Daniel____hi xubuntus ;)18:31
ElderDryasdr_jkl: Neither have I, but "I" did b0rk my xfce 4.6 to 4.8 move.18:32
lorn_anyone recommend a fix for missing indicator-plugin? at startup it flashes briefly but then disappears18:36
ElderDryaslorn_: Maybe delete it from the panel and re-add it?18:39
lorn_phew, i did try that. but i just tried reinstalling it in synaptic again and it worked this time.18:40
ElderDryasThen life is good :)18:41
lorn_yes :D i'm not even going to look at it for a while, it seems to like disappearing18:41
xrdodrxHas anyone figured out how to enable auto-login in xubuntu 11.10? :s19:04
ElderDryasxrdodrx: I use the autologin option during the install...19:07
xrdodrxafter an upgrade19:07
mateoHello19:07
mateoempathy is not working on xubuntu 11.10 :(19:07
ElderDryasxrdodrx: but I <think> LDM does not allow it ATM19:08
xrdodrxElderDryas, if that's the case then how are you doing it? :P19:09
ElderDryasxrdodrx: I use the autologin option during the install...which (I suspect) caused me to use GDM.19:09
ElderDryasor you can edit the file :)19:10
xrdodrxgdm isn't even on the disk...:<19:10
ElderDryasyeah, I just saw that.19:11
ElderDryasHere's my lightdm.conf   http://pastebin.com/ywHeBwPP19:12
xrdodrxElderDryas, cheers :)19:12
oscarHi, I have a problem with Xubuntu 11.1019:14
oscarThe Network link at left tree in thunar is missing19:15
xrdodrxElderDryas, just another quick question...have you figured out how to make scrolling over the volume icon change volume again?19:16
MikeExhuh... I don't remember ಠ_ಠ working as it should19:17
xrdodrxMikeEx, scrolling over the volume icon works for you? :<19:17
MikeExnot the icon19:18
MikeExbut the bar does19:18
xrdodrx?19:18
xrdodrxo19:18
xrdodrxyes, of course19:18
xrdodrxi want the icon back :P i used that quite a bit19:18
lordjjAbout how much performance increase would Xfce give me over Gnome 2 in terms of memory?19:23
MikeExDepends. gnome2 with compiz is smoother19:25
MikeExcompiz 0.8.6*19:25
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MikeExif you really want a difference, try lubuntu19:26
MikeExits pretty good19:26
MikeExxfwm compositing is kind of laggy19:28
MikeExI have xubuntu only using 240mb ram on startup19:31
ElderDryasxrdodrx: Sorry, was AFK...I dunno19:31
ElderDryaslordjj: Using 11.04-32bit, my memory usage was ~160mb...using 11.10-64bit, it's ~230mb19:32
ElderDryasYMMV19:33
lordjjI prefer to stick with GTK19:34
lordjjI never cared about compiz effects, except for that one Desktop Zoom feature.19:36
lordjjDoes Xubuntu come with compiz or not?19:37
MikeExno19:37
well_laid_lawnnot but you can install it19:37
well_laid_lawn!compiz19:37
ubottuCompiz (compositing window manager), for a howto see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager and more help #compiz19:37
lordjjWould use up more resources though right?19:37
well_laid_lawnif you run everything with it it will19:38
well_laid_lawncan be light if you don't have much effects happening19:38
lordjjIf I could only replace the Desktop Zoom feature, I can do entirely without compiz.19:39
mateoit's strange, empathy seems to work, but it can't add IRC networks19:42
inFamousKrissomething I also noticed was that almost all of my menu icons are gone19:45
inFamousKrisIn my "applications" or "places" dropdown menu19:46
bycaracan you suggest an alternative for ristretto photo viewer? i cant switch pictures19:48
ElderDryasinFamousKris: Applications and Places menu?  What Applications and Places Menu?19:53
inFamousKrisI have two dropdown menus in my top panel,19:54
ElderDryasinFamousKris: There is the Applications Menu and you can add a Places Menu to the panel thru Add New Items, but I think the Applications and Places Menu went out with 4.619:54
ElderDryasOr maybe it in GNOME, I forget :)19:55
inFamousKrisI figured out my problem though.19:55
ElderDryas?19:55
inFamousKrisApparently, the icon set I was using was no longer supported19:55
ElderDryasThat will do it19:56
inFamousKrisI wen't into appearance settings and changed the icon set, all is good no19:56
inFamousKrisnow*19:56
ElderDryasAnd, again, Life Is Good.19:56
ElderDryasinFamousKris: Sorry, I misread you original posts19:57
inFamousKrisno prob19:57
inFamousKrisbycara: in order to switch between multiple images in ristretto, you must first highlight all of the images you wish to view, then right click and click open with ristretto19:58
ElderDryasbycara: or use something like eog20:02
bycarai tried but pictures are opening separate windows20:03
bycaraElderDryas: thanks... eog works well :)20:06
oscarHi, I have a problem with Xubuntu 11.1020:25
oscarThe Network link at left tree in thunar is missing20:25
oscarI have installed Xubuntu 11.10 and the Network link at left tree in thunar don't show it20:27
well_laid_lawndo you have anything mounted ?20:27
oscarYes, I have LAN network and in Xubuntu 11.04  I can show this link by default20:31
DanielSenatHow about the new 11.10? Is it better than natty?20:37
unorthodoxmeit got screwed up as soon as I used the nvidia driver20:37
DanielSenatToo bad20:38
DanielSenatNot really stable?20:38
unorthodoxmeI think it was the driver that messed things up.20:38
unorthodoxmeThe OS was fine until I installed the driver20:39
Sysinvidia/jockey was nightmare for me with 10.04LTS20:39
DanielSenatand ATI?20:39
unorthodoxmeP4 2.53GHz 512ram and 40GB HD and still it runs slugish20:40
unorthodoxmeATI yes20:40
unorthodoxmeGeforce4 420 Go20:40
Sysi512MB isn't much, expecially for browser20:40
DanielSenati have 51220:40
unorthodoxmenever got over 300mb used though20:40
DanielSenatIs 11.10 heavier than natty?20:40
unorthodoxmebrowser jumps it to like 20020:41
Sysiopen few tabs and keep open for couple of hours and we're taking gigabytes20:42
ElderDryasSysi: FF?20:42
Sysibasically any browser20:42
Sysichromium might be the worst20:43
unorthodoxmeI tried puppy but I couldn't get used to openbox or jwm20:43
ElderDryasEverybody has gigabytes of RAM nowadays and small attention spans, why should hey bother to fix memory leaks20:43
unorthodoxmeWell I have a desktop with more xubuntu was for an old laptop20:43
SysiI have oneiric in virtualbox, I think it has too new kernel so it boots and shuts down slowly20:44
unorthodoxmeI wanted to make it useful again20:44
unorthodoxmeLubuntu uses openbox?20:44
Sysiyup20:44
unorthodoxmecolor quality is like 1620:45
unorthodoxme*20:45
inFamousKrisis there a way to disable the password protection on the screensaver?20:45
unorthodoxmeyou can disable the password all together20:45
unorthodoxmeI forget how but I know I've seen the option20:46
inFamousKrisI don't want it disabled all together.20:46
inFamousKrisJust when coming from the screensaver20:46
oscarYes, I have LAN network and in Xubuntu 11.04  I can show this link by default20:55
oscarYes, I have LAN network and in Xubuntu 11.04  I can show this link by default?20:55
GridCube?20:55
GridCubeI just joined in can you explain oscar '20:56
oscarI have installed Xubuntu 11.10 and the Network link at left tree in thunar don't show it, somebody how fix it?20:57
GridCubeif you press ctrl-t? oscar ?20:59
oscarGridCube: Nothing, nothing21:04
GridCubeoscar, you want to go to a shared folder using thunar?21:06
ElderDryasoscar: You can see the tree view on the left but your LAN is not listed there like in 10.04?21:06
ElderDryaser 11.0421:06
oscarNo, I have LAN  and in Xubuntu 11.04  I can't show this link by default? in 11.04 yes21:07
oscarNo (Maybe yes), I have LAN  and in Xubuntu 11.04  I can't show this link by default? in 11.04 yes21:07
GridCubeI have no experience whit that :( sorry21:09
oscarYes, I can view tree on the left (Music, Images, Documents, etc), but Network not21:09
GridCubeoscar, can you use gigolo?21:09
Sysioscar: network bookmarks aren't supported yet in thunar 11.04 has21:09
oscarThanks Sysi...,  So then I will use nautilus  :(21:13
oscarGigolo yes I can use, but I don't view network connection21:14
GridCubeas said, i don't know much about this topic so i will probably confuse you more, sorry21:15
knomel0lwut_, yeah.21:23
lorin`is there a compelling reason to upgrade to 11.10 ? i just got everything working in 11.04 :|21:26
knomelorin`, i'd suggest to stay with 11.04 at least a few days21:26
lorin`alright, that was kinda my thinking too. it did seem to work well on the live cd but every time i go to upgrade i am filled with dread something might go wrong :P21:28
ElderDryaslorin`: A six pack of beer beforhand might help...the dread will be gone and you're sure to mess something up :)21:29
lorin`hahah!21:30
fwesti am going back to 11.04 this gtk3 mix is ugly21:35
ElderDryasfwest: Theme troubles?21:35
fwestElderDryas, ldap auth trouble, theme ugliness21:36
fwestmaybe 11.10 is great for stand alone workstations21:37
ElderDryasfwest: Well, I solved #2 by making my own :)21:40
ElderDryasForm beats Function everytime, unfortunately.21:42
fwestnot this time, i am going back to 11.04 until ldap auth works, xfce is using gtk3 :)21:43
KaRoT7584hello all  :-)21:43
fwesti just don't like the current mess21:43
KaRoT7584lol21:44
fwestdid you come to moan about how everything is ugly?21:44
fwestok not everything21:44
* ElderDryas decides to go looking for his CP/M floppies21:45
KaRoT7584if u dint like eer i down know how to translate but it's not bad21:45
KaRoT7584not21:45
fwesti was happy with gnome 221:45
KaRoT7584i don't konw what is ugly21:46
fwestthe gtk2/gtk3 stuff21:46
KaRoT7584i  currentl install xubuntu 11.1021:46
KaRoT7584sorry my english is bad21:47
fwestok21:47
fwesti am installing 11.0421:47
fwest11.10 is awful21:47
KaRoT7584i don't really know the "codes" of IRC...21:47
fwestno its not, the boot loader is nice21:47
KaRoT7584sorry if i'm not correct21:47
* fwest shrugs21:48
KaRoT758411.10 seems to be more efficient than the elier versions21:49
ElderDryasfwest: Before you re-install, can you post a couple of screenshots of what is "ugly".  I keep seeing people saying the gtk2/3 is problems, but I'm not seeing any of it?21:49
fwesthow can it? it has to load gtk2 and gtk3 libs21:49
KaRoT7584(connection by wifi OK but not in other verions21:49
fwestElderDryas, i can't even log in, ldap auth doesn't work with xsessions21:49
ElderDryaswell, then that takes care of that :)21:49
fwestbut i do have it on my laptop21:50
fwestwhich isn't about to get purged as i never got the ccache thing to work21:50
fwestmaybe i am the only weirdo who has more than one machine and wants a single signon21:51
KaRoT7584install is still very heavy when use a CD :-/21:52
ElderDryasfwest: probably not, but I gave up multiple machines when retired...don't need them anymore.21:52
fwesti am just pxe installing my desktop21:52
ElderDryasNow that I have the time to mess with them, I find I don't want to21:53
fwestit get worse, i have a kvm server, i hate having non uniform account21:53
fwests21:53
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andres-kainhttp://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=windows%2C+ubuntu&l=&relative=1 motivation?23:28
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_gnubwhen I move my mouse to the right edge in Ubuntu 10 all of the sudden, it changes workspaces. I do not want this, how do I change it back?23:52
_gnub(it's xfce 4.6)23:53
ElderDryas_gnub: Try Window Manager> Advanced>Wrap Workspaces...this is for 4.8, but it should be close.23:56
_gnubthank you, that did it!23:58
GridCube_gnub, if you use the mousewheel on an empty space on a virtual desktop it rotates them23:58
ElderDryasGridCube: Not if you turn it off :)23:59
_gnubnot mine, I turned that off, too. If my stuff goes to desktop two, it is because I SENT it there lol. :) -- P.S. that was quick, thanks again!23:59
GridCubeElderDryas, thats perfectly true23:59
GridCube:)23:59

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