[00:21] would it be possible to have a shared ftp server mounted to my hd? [00:21] It's the server for a website that I help develope. [00:28] XubuntuKris, "mounted"? [00:28] XubuntuKris, if you have ssh access you can do this with sshfs [00:29] ah. [00:29] I believe what you want to do is browse the remote server using thunar [00:29] right? [00:29] I'll have to ask about that. [00:29] yes [00:29] that's exactly what I want to do [00:29] There might be a similar tool for plain FTP, but I'm not sure :( [00:29] I hate filezilla and other such ftp programs [00:29] SSH is the way to go anyway when transferring files over the internet :) [00:29] SFTP/SSH* [00:30] I'll ask the server owner if he'll allow sftp/shh access. [00:31] thanks xrdodrx [00:35] no trouble at all XubuntuKris :) [00:36] One more question..I'm upgrading from 11.04 to 11.10 and it disabled my third party sources, how do I re-enable them? [00:36] XubuntuKris, tell me if you figure it out :o) [00:37] lol, I take it you don't know either? [00:37] i saw that dialog as well, i'm quite sure it was referring to ppa's.. [00:37] are the cd iso posted yet [00:37] i'll probably have to re-add all the ppa's i had added [00:37] :s [00:38] I have the android source enabled [00:38] is there a way to upgrade to 11.10 form 10.10 [00:38] uofm49426, yes, update to 11.04 then 11.10 [00:39] is there a way to upgrade to 11.10 from 10.10 [00:39] downloading a fresh iso would be quicker [00:39] why did you repeat yourself? :< [00:39] XubuntuKris: Still need to know about the re-enabling? [00:39] Yes ElderDryas [00:39] well then do that, there is no supported upgrade path that takes you directly from 10.10 to 11.10 [00:40] Synaptic>Settings>Repositiries>other software [00:40] Should be there, unchecked [00:40] then find it in (I'm assuming) a list of sources? [00:41] i get a error 404 when trying to download the iso [00:41] cause it's not there. [00:41] maybe [00:43] XubuntuKris: Don't know then, that's where I've always found them...but then I don't do PPA's anymore [00:43] no, I was talking to uofm49426.lol === ryannathansSLEEP is now known as ryannathans [03:02] is there a hotkey to show/hide the menubar in thunar === zenrox_ is now known as zenrox [05:48] how scary is a xubuntu 11.04 -> 11.10 update? I backed up, but have never upgraded ubuntu before [05:54] Shirakawasuna: not as scary as updating to 11.10 without a back up [07:03] Hello can someone help me with a BCM5787M chipset on ubuntu 11.10? [07:18] So, I need some advice from some smart Ubuntu users who don't use Gnome. I think here is a likely place? === lighta is now known as Guest46533 [07:19] Basically, I run the gnome session manager, gnome-panel, and fvwm2. I'm getting rather annoyed by the upheavals gnome places in my life every time I upgrade Ubuntu, and I'm wondering if using a different session manager would be a possible solution to gain more stability. [07:20] But I'm not clear on a lot of the mechanisms used for stuff like applications (such as network manager) displaying status icons in gnome-panel or whatever, and what I can use as a replacement. [07:21] cjs you want to get totally rid of gnome? [07:22] The thought is attractive. [07:23] Xfce has its own session manager, right? [07:23] cjs: then I suggest to try lxde. [07:23] damn I tryed ubuntu 11.10 now I'm lost :( [07:23] the best thing to start with is to install either xubuntu-desktop or lubuntu-desktop [07:23] cjs: yes. [07:24] xubuntu is a bit more featurerich and mature, but lubuntu is lighter [07:24] knome: besides lubuntu looks like W.XP :P [07:24] i don't know about that, haven't really used it [07:25] Guest46533, lost with what? [07:25] new desktop [07:25] look too much like mac, I want my old good gnome back [07:25] or xfce [07:25] Guest46533, if you have installed *ubuntu*, you can get help in #ubuntu. [07:25] faryshta_: lxde sounds good to me. [07:26] cjs its very stable, light and fast. I think is much better than gnome and kde. [07:26] cjs sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop [07:26] which is also what can be said about xubuntu/xfce [07:27] So what's the difference between the lubuntu-desktop and lxde packages? [07:27] yeah honestly the one I prefer was xfce, but it also the one I experienced most freeze [07:28] cjs, everything might not work as expected with only lxde packages. you probably should ask #lubuntu for more insight on that [07:28] cjs: knome also ask on how to delete the gnome desktop [07:28] !puregnome [07:28] AFAIK its not simple. [07:28] If you want to remove all !Kubuntu packages or !Xubuntu packages and have a default !Ubuntu system, follow the instructions here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureGnome [07:28] err [07:29] !purelxde [07:29] If you want to remove all !KDE, !GNOME and !XFCE packages and have a default !Lubuntu system follow the instructions here « http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purelxde » [07:29] ^ there is the process [07:29] Hm. Ok. Keep in mind I will be replacing the window manager; anything special I should know about that? [07:29] ohh nice. [07:29] I don't mind having all the Gnome stuff installed on my system; it makes it easy if other people need to use it and have a reaosnably familiar environment. [07:29] cjs demands goat sacrifices every thursday. [07:29] cjs lxde demands goat sacrifices every thursday. [07:30] I'm quite used to animal sacrifices to keep things running. I've been running fvwm on top of Gnome for years now. :-) [07:30] cjs, removing gnome3 hasn't always worked / people have had problems with running gnome3+something else parallel, but i don't know if that's fixed in the final version [07:32] gnome3 demands your first born and 3 mana tiers to be removed. [07:33] What do you mean by "running gnome3+something else parallel"? [07:33] faryshta_, okay, please stop that [07:33] knome k. [07:33] cjs, for example, installing gnome3 and xfce might have been problematic, but you can only know by installing, i suppose... [07:33] Hm. [07:34] Well, I guess I will find out.... [07:34] I always go for fresh install but now I am suffering my decision. [07:34] fresh install is the best choice, if you can do that [07:34] I can do it, I suppose.... [07:34] except I don't have wifi now. [07:38] Oh wow! Xen is back! === Guest46533 is now known as lighta [07:51] Hm. So, I installed lubuntu-desktop, set the display manager to lxdm, and rebooted. Now I get no login window, just a blue background with some wavy blue lines on it. [07:52] lxdm-binary and /usr/lib/lxdm/lxdm-greeter-gtk are running. [07:52] Oh, maybe I should be asking this on #lubuntu? [07:53] cjs, yeah, that would be a better place [07:56] Kinda quiet over there, though. [07:56] Well, I can just use gdm. That works quite nicely for me. [07:59] Oh darn! I like the lxe panel! faryshta_, you may have just improved my life enormously. [07:59] howdy [08:00] hello [08:02] im not finding where to turn of tap to click on the trackpad... [08:07] it'll be in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-synaptics afaik [08:08] isn't there gsynaptics or sth for GUI modificaitons [08:08] !gsynaptics [08:08] !info gsynaptics [08:08] gsynaptics (source: gpointing-device-settings): configuration tool for pointing devices (transitional package). In component universe, is optional. Version 1.5.1-5ubuntu1 (oneiric), package size 2 kB, installed size 36 kB [08:08] i thought there was a menu settings under mouse [08:10] I want to get rid of password prompt after suspend/hibernate. I already have auto login setup and disabled screensaver. TIA. [08:16] How much disk space does a basic xubuntu install use? lxubuntu seems huge. [08:18] cjs, about 3GB, a bit less [08:20] Hm. Seems similar to gnome. [08:21] that's because there is default applications that are installed [08:21] there is the minimal CD if you want to have as slim system as possible [08:21] !minimal [08:21] The Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only those you want (the installer is like the one on the !Alternate CD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD [08:22] if i were to copy the mouse/trackpad part of another xorgconf, and paste it in, would i then also have no "tap-to-click" [08:22] zus, if that's what you've set in the other configuration, i suppose that would work too [08:24] knome: i know "Linuxmint Debian edition XFCE" has disable touchpad when type and tap to click off. enabled by default...think that should work? [08:25] zus, i don't know [08:28] can pls somebody say what xubuntu updated today? nvidia driver? [08:29] its a new graphic card driver? [08:29] but it didnt even want a reboot? [08:32] visitor1, oneiric ocelot (11.10) was released yesterday [08:32] yes, but i use the lts 10.4 [08:33] hello there, can someone tell me what calculator app comes with Xubuntu by default? [08:34] Math^, gnumeric, if you mean spreadsheets [08:34] visitor1, nothing should have changes afaik [08:34] hmm, no just a small calc [08:34] *changed [08:34] Math^, gcalctool [08:34] knome, thnx :) [08:34] np [08:35] but it loaded something like 20MB nvidia stuff [08:35] visitor1, it might be the nvidia drivers got updated then. is there a problem with that? [08:35] knome, hmm, it's not themable? [08:35] no i just wondered [08:36] also i will have to try if flash is working better now [08:36] hi everyone, is there a launcher in xfce or one that works well with it? [08:36] knome, thnx, seems like it's the one. but it's not using my GTK theme [08:36] Math^, if you mean something like completely change the "skin", no, i don't think so [08:36] Math^, it should use the gtk theme though [08:36] hmm [08:37] Math^, well, it has some hardcoded colors i think, but it shouldn't look all bad [08:37] interglacial, launcher? [08:37] interglacial, are you referring to something like gdm or xfrun or something else? [08:38] something like spotlight in osx or the launcher in unity, hit a key and type the name of your program and it searches for it [08:39] knome, i'll look at xfrun, havent heard of that before [08:39] interglacial, xfce4-appfinder too [08:40] knome, thanks! i'll see if i've got that or install it [08:44] knome, thanks-again. xfce4-appfinder is just what i was looking for. now i'll figure out how to bind it to my windows key and i'm sorted! [08:44] interglacial, settings manager -> keyboard -> tab application shortcuts [08:44] interglacial, i think you need something else than just winkey though [08:45] interglacial, i was wrong. you can bind to winkey only :) [08:45] knome, oh cool! [08:47] hey xfrun is already there. i guess i need to poke around in xfce some more :) [08:47] yup. alt+f2, as in most OS'es actually [08:47] Has anyone had trouble with the 11.10 update? I just updated and now I can get into xfce, I get the splash screen that says waiting for a network connection which times out after a few minutes and then just black [08:48] l0lwut, well i'm about 40 minutes away from having upgraded [08:48] l0lwut, do you use wireless? [08:48] yeah [08:48] i had big problems until i deleted all my hidden settings directories from my home directory [08:48] mmh. i wonder why the splash screen is waiting for network though [08:49] even once i get stuck here if i switch over to the command line and connect everything and try to start xfce it just hangs [08:49] l0lwut, you can start by trying to delete ~/.cache first [08:49] l0lwut, have you tried logging on as a new user? [08:50] I cant even get to the login windown [08:50] window* [08:50] I'ts just black after the splash [08:50] l0lwut, oh [08:50] there was also nothing in cache [08:51] not even hidden files? :) [08:51] the folder didnt even exist [08:52] .cache? (note the dot) [08:52] in your /home/username [08:52] yes nothing thhere [08:52] hmmh. weird. [08:54] It's weird I'm able to get into the command line but i cant get a window manager to start for the life of me [08:54] do you have /etc/X11/xorg.conf? [08:55] yes [08:55] what is the command to start xubuntu from the shell? [08:55] xfce i guess [08:56] start-xfce4_session [08:56] something like that wait [08:56] startxfce4 i suppose [08:56] :) [08:59] well im in on a different window head [08:59] Anyone have an idea where to start trouble shooting this? [09:00] removing/backuping all .-starting directories in home could help [09:00] (of course, you lose all the configurations then...) [09:00] with 11.10, we are using lightdm, but with 11.04, gdm. that might have something to do with it too [09:01] The thing is I'm not even logged in at that point [09:01] SHit thats it [09:01] I told the installer to use gdm [09:01] How do you switch it bac? [09:01] back* [09:01] you are amongst the first people who have problems, so it's hard to say what's wrong [09:01] i don't know [09:01] l0lwut, if you dont even get the login maybe it's something to do with the new lightdm - i think i chose to keep with gdm when the upgrade happened [09:02] using lightdm is vey recommended though [09:02] *very [09:02] does anyone know how to switch between the two? [09:02] interglacial, I chose to use gdm when it asked me. [09:02] i can't browse the web right now (i'm upgrading), but i'm sure google will know quite quickly [09:02] l0lwut, ah ok, same as me then [09:02] gdm killed it though [09:02] I cant login without spawing a new x session manually [09:05] got it, dkpg-reconfigure gdm [09:05] if anyone was curious [09:06] l0lwut, ha! you beat me too it, just running that now [09:06] rebooting, lets see if this works [09:07] l0lwut, good luck [09:07] This stuff always happens when i have other stuff to do [09:07] of course, mr. murphy [09:07] anyone here? [09:07] Huge deadline at noon tomorrow and i decided to update tonight lol [09:07] Gold ol murphy [09:07] can i change the kernel config on ubuntu? [09:07] i want to get rid of the genkernel config [09:08] hit there! just a small "bug". i write it here because im too lazy to regiter at launchpad. if i install chromium browser i cant select it in prefered applications. i think this is a missing .desktop file. [09:08] gentoo_drummer, you'd probably be better asking in #ubuntu-kernel [09:09] ...I have to wait for 3 min for the network config to time out. Is there a way to start your wireless config before you are logged in? I tried putting a script in init.d that loaded wpa_supplicant but it doesn't seem to be working [09:12] l0lwut, init.d I read after session start I think [09:14] damn, that change didn't help [09:14] still hanging [09:15] hmm, well it sounds like other people are having similar problems in the main ubuntu channel. [09:15] Yeah i was seeing that as well [09:15] i wonder which log file gdm/lightdm write to. sorry i'm not an expert [09:17] can you get up and running to do the work you need to do today by launching the session manually - maybe it's better to wait until other people have worked through your problem for you [09:17] Yeah i can [09:17] I'm in xfce now [09:18] I just dont like leaving my machine in this state lol [09:18] good, i've had update disasters in the past, i know how you feel [09:19] I feel helpless sometimes in ubuntu [09:19] I grew up on slackware [09:19] And I can never seem to figure out exactly wth ubuntu is doing [09:20] i rekon things were simpler back then, all OSes are too bloated [09:20] Yeah, I agree [09:21] I'd like to switch to gentoo or arch but I just don't have the time to invest in that right now [09:21] I must sound old, I'm only 19 I can't really complain about the "old days" haha [09:22] i've tried loads of different ones, you just seem to trade one set of problems for another. on balance i still think ubuntu results in the least overall grief [09:22] booting now to see if upgrade worked [09:22] Yeah, that's what drove me to it in the first place [09:22] brb, or if something went nuts, bbl [09:22] good luck! [09:23] what about fedora ? I was thinking to give a try [09:23] no idea ? [09:24] I played around with fedora for a while but reverted back to slack ware after a week or two [09:24] oh short while then [09:24] yeah lol [09:25] i used to use fedora until about a year ago [09:26] reason i switched was the distro seemed too unstable, updates coming down every day and almost every week i'd end up having to re-fix some driver or other [09:26] I just couldn't get it working properly in the first place [09:26] maybe things have improved but the grass is never greener on the other side of the fence, just a different shade of dusty brown [09:27] I think it was the graphics drives that ended up forcing me to switch. 4 monitors was a pain to configure manually in xorg [09:27] ahw, now I dun feel like trying anymore =( well I'll see [09:27] I've heard really good things about arch [09:27] oh sorry, it does have some good points too [09:28] na don't worry I certainly give a try someday [09:30] SELinux in fedora is really neat and administration to me at least seemed more straightforward (standard uni runlevels rather than upstart) [09:31] I was thinking, found it fun difference of community : mac "oh yeah new iphone 5 is out whit iOS5 etc.." and us "oh cool new desktop, then 2min later wtf is my old button !!" xd [09:32] haha [09:32] not true ? [09:33] well things are a lot more fluid and there seems to be bigger changes happening all the time [09:33] yes that why I'm upgrading too =) [09:35] well not alway faster since they quite overloading stuff, (need new pc probably) [09:35] i think the problem is the applications can change in ways that people don't like - i used to be a fan of the old KDE but haven't been able to stand it since version 4 [09:38] well was it application or GUI ?, studying interface thoses day, but well quite a cli users found it more easier sometime, well maybe cause I like todo script [09:40] kde was a window manager [09:41] tought he was talking about the entire kde-session package [09:42] i was referring to kde as the whole desktop environment and user experience [09:55] hmpf. i seem to have the same problem, except i can't get to xfce any way [09:59] What happens when you try and start it? [09:59] I have to manually go into command line (alt f1) and start it with startxfce4 -- :1 [10:00] i can't get to any other tty. [10:00] the screen is goinfg on/off [10:00] hmm [10:00] I don't really know what to do there [10:00] I think i read somewhere that you can pass in a param to grub to do a non graphical boot [10:01] let me see if I can find it [10:01] yeah, i can do that [10:01] i can get to the recovery mode [10:02] set gfxpaylod=text source: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/BlankScreen [10:11] l0lwut, doesn't seem to affect anything [10:12] I don't know, I couldn't get it to work either. Maybe I interpreted what the instructions were saying wrong? [10:12] I got that from here, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/BlankScreen [10:13] l0lwut, i think i'm going for a clean install. [10:13] l0lwut, that worked on my eeepc [10:17] It's just so much work doing a fresh install [10:17] kind of [10:18] but i have backups of my /home [10:19] i know it's not what i should do really, because there must be a way to fix this, but on the other hand, it's probably the fastest way [10:20] the problem is i might not have a 700MB disc [10:28] Do you have a jumpdrive? [10:28] You said you installed it on your eee [10:29] yeah, but for some reason, i can't get it to boot on my desktop [10:30] i'm adding the .iso to grub ;) [10:32] aaah everything is broken... I chose a really bad time to update [10:33] my apache config is so messed up! [10:35] hi guys..i'm running xubuntu 10.04..can i upgrade to 11.10 in one step or do i need to update to 10.10 first? update manager seems to give me 10.10 option only atm..could someone telle me plz? [10:35] if you want to update via update manager, then yes through 10.10 [10:35] YeahRight, you need to upgrade to 10.10 and 11.04 first [10:35] and then 11.04 [10:35] YeahRight, or wait for 12.04 [10:35] 11.10 seems pretty unstable right now. You might want to stop at 11.04 [10:36] at least if you are upgrading [10:40] ok thanks for the answer [10:41] knome : why will updating to 12.04 be possible in one step? :P [10:42] YeahRight, LTS to LTS [10:42] but 11.04 is LTS too isnt it? [10:42] no [10:42] oh ok [10:43] upgrading is supposed to leave my installation alone right? [10:52] Yes [10:52] YeahRight, Your settings should be preserved through the update process [10:53] ok... for what I do, I use generally three languages: english, japanese and bulgarian. Is there an easy way to switch between these three, or I will have to use ibus for japanese, and something else for bulgarian, for example? [10:53] ok great [10:53] thanks l0lwut [10:54] i guess gtk3 apps are just going to look ugly and there is next to nothing that can be done? [11:13] scim should do the work, eh? [11:17] hi [11:17] yay, i can get to a tty ;) [11:18] i am currently installing xubuntu 11.10 and it seems to be downloading something from a server with very low upload speed [11:18] there is a "skip" button but it doesn't show _what_ i am skipping [11:19] i tried changing the software sources to a faster mirror before the installation but nothing changed [12:21] knome, did you do a fresh install? [12:42] can you suggest me some text editors that doesn't use gnome or kde dependecies [12:47] leafpad / mousepad [12:48] some that has tabs [12:49] hmm [12:50] something similar to gedit or kate [12:50] there's editra [12:51] there's probably something lighter out there but i don't know it, myself [12:57] geany is great [12:58] technically it's an ide but you can use it as text editor too, it's really fast and light weight [13:00] oh, i haven't noticed that he/she left === naka is now known as Guest97042 === Guest97042 is now known as naka [14:33] hi all! moving from ubuntu to xubuntu right now! [14:33] ; ) [14:38] heh, got a nice nifty window popup about oneiric, but the "ask me later" button doesn't seem to work ;) [14:41] pop up saying what? [14:56] is there a vnc client that is still gtk2 and doesn't look ugly? [15:12] Enjoying the release but have a small cosmetic problem. some programs are not being themed (already fixed sudo themes). Programs like jockey, software center, update manager... any advice? [15:13] MikeEx: Define "not being themes"? What theme are you using? My Software Center looks themed to me. [15:14] any, included or custom [15:15] The theme(s) used question is solved, now define "not being themed" please. [15:17] I guess the GTK engine isn't being applied to these programs? buttons are squared and such. [15:17] the theme I have applied has nice round edges [15:19] But if you mahe the theme, say NOX, Doe the color scheme change to a darker grey? [15:20] no [15:20] only "high contrast" changes it [15:21] hmm, and greybird [15:21] greybird is a light grey and NOX is a dark grey...you're saying that there is no change moving from one to the other? [15:22] right, also greybird is the only theme that will work for these programs [15:23] yo guys [15:23] how can I make a backup of my system state right now? [15:24] focalt_: clonezilla [15:24] or hibernate [15:24] MikeEx: What video card do you have? [15:24] clonezilla is for cloneing hdd/partitons [15:24] maybe a permission problem? user level and elevated programs are properly themed [15:24] focalt_: you can't really unless you in VM [15:25] hum... [15:25] hd4850, r600g [15:25] MikeEx: Could be, but unless you [15:25] so basically if my harddisk blows up, all my my system state (ie software, etc) goes with it [15:26] and gerybird is the default theme [15:26] basically I realized that I tweak my environment, xfce etc [15:26] and yesterday I tought "hum... if I loose all of it I won't start again tweaking" [15:26] focalt_: oh.. use clonezilla [15:29] why cant xubuntu alternate be installed from usb? [15:29] it always fails on the select and install packages step [15:30] my laptop's cd drive is shot to hell and it cant read cds so i can only install from usb [15:30] MikeEx: Changing from greybird to NOX makes no changes on everything or just those apps you mentioned? [15:30] just the apps mentioned. [15:30] ah [15:31] sorry mu mistake [15:33] archive manager, calculator, character map, and a few others as well [15:33] MikeEx: not having rounded button I can understand, some apps hard code such things in (as in FF's background color not matching the default theme's background color), but NO change when changing themes, I'm stumped. [15:34] Alright thanks anyways. ill probably just nuke and pave over. [15:35] moljac024: i have same problem D: [15:35] same as ubuntu/kubuntu [15:37] hmm, maybe its gtk3 related? [15:37] MikeEx: What happens when you change Window Manager? [15:38] xsession errors has a bunch of lines from those themes i shifted through [15:38] 2011-10-14 08:21:35,598 - softwarecenter.ui.gtk3.utils - INFO - Softwarecenter style provider for industrial Gtk theme: /usr/share/software-center/ui/gtk3/css/softwarecenter.css [15:39] windows are properly decorated [15:42] MikeEx: And does the css file mention exist? [15:42] yes === ryannathans is now known as ryannathansSLEEP [15:43] I think these programs are expecting the themes to have a gtk3 sub folder [15:44] MikeEx: Could be..... [15:45] MikeEx: But I'm using a custom gtk2 theme (with no gtk3 folder) and am having no problems. [15:45] so xubuntu alternate cant be installed from usb? [15:45] and u cant set up luks/lvm from the desktop image [15:46] hmm [15:47] MikeEx: I'm just fumbling around trying to come up with something, but...nothing :( [15:47]