[00:21] <XubuntuKris> would it be possible to have a shared ftp server mounted to my hd?
[00:21] <XubuntuKris> It's the server for a website that I help develope.
[00:28] <xrdodrx> XubuntuKris, "mounted"?
[00:28] <xrdodrx> XubuntuKris, if you have ssh access you can do this with sshfs
[00:29] <XubuntuKris> ah.
[00:29] <xrdodrx> I believe what you want to do is browse the remote server using thunar
[00:29] <xrdodrx> right?
[00:29] <XubuntuKris> I'll have to ask about that.
[00:29] <XubuntuKris> yes
[00:29] <XubuntuKris> that's exactly what I want to do
[00:29] <xrdodrx> There might be a similar tool for plain FTP, but I'm not sure :(
[00:29] <XubuntuKris> I hate filezilla and other such ftp programs
[00:29] <xrdodrx> SSH is the way to go anyway when transferring files over the internet :)
[00:29] <xrdodrx> SFTP/SSH*
[00:30] <XubuntuKris> I'll ask the server owner if he'll allow sftp/shh access.
[00:31] <XubuntuKris> thanks xrdodrx
[00:35] <xrdodrx> no trouble at all XubuntuKris :)
[00:36] <XubuntuKris> One more question..I'm upgrading from 11.04 to 11.10 and it disabled my third party sources, how do I re-enable them?
[00:36] <xrdodrx> XubuntuKris, tell me if you figure it out :o)
[00:37] <XubuntuKris> lol, I take it you don't know either?
[00:37] <xrdodrx> i saw that dialog as well, i'm quite sure it was referring to ppa's..
[00:37] <uofm49426> are the cd iso posted yet
[00:37] <xrdodrx> i'll probably have to re-add all the ppa's i had added
[00:37] <xrdodrx> :s
[00:38] <XubuntuKris> I have the android source enabled
[00:38] <uofm49426> is there a way to upgrade to 11.10 form 10.10
[00:38] <xrdodrx> uofm49426, yes, update to 11.04 then 11.10
[00:39] <uofm49426> is there a way to upgrade to 11.10 from 10.10
[00:39] <uofm49426> downloading a fresh iso would be quicker
[00:39] <xrdodrx> why did you repeat yourself? :<
[00:39] <ElderDryas> XubuntuKris: Still need to know about the re-enabling?
[00:39] <XubuntuKris> Yes ElderDryas
[00:39] <xrdodrx> well then do that, there is no supported upgrade path that takes you directly from 10.10 to 11.10
[00:40] <ElderDryas> Synaptic>Settings>Repositiries>other software
[00:40] <ElderDryas> Should be there, unchecked
[00:40] <XubuntuKris> then find it in (I'm assuming) a list of sources?
[00:41] <uofm49426> i get a error 404 when trying to download the iso
[00:41] <XubuntuKris> cause it's not there.
[00:41] <XubuntuKris> maybe
[00:43] <ElderDryas> XubuntuKris: Don't know then, that's where I've always found them...but then I don't do PPA's anymore
[00:43] <XubuntuKris> no, I was talking to uofm49426.lol
[03:02] <lorn_> is there a hotkey to show/hide the menubar in thunar
[05:48] <Shirakawasuna> how scary is a xubuntu 11.04 -> 11.10 update? I backed up, but have never upgraded ubuntu before
[05:54] <well_laid_lawn> Shirakawasuna: not as scary as updating to 11.10 without a back up
[07:03] <faryshta_> Hello can someone help me with a BCM5787M chipset on ubuntu 11.10?
[07:18] <cjs> So, I need some advice from some smart Ubuntu users who don't use Gnome. I think here is a likely place?
[07:19] <cjs> Basically, I run the gnome session manager, gnome-panel, and fvwm2. I'm getting rather annoyed by the upheavals gnome places in my life every time I upgrade Ubuntu, and I'm wondering if using a different session manager would be a possible solution to gain more stability.
[07:20] <cjs> But I'm not clear on a lot of the mechanisms used for stuff like applications (such as network manager) displaying status icons in gnome-panel or whatever, and what I can use as a replacement.
[07:21] <faryshta_> cjs you want to get totally rid of gnome?
[07:22] <cjs> The thought is attractive.
[07:23] <cjs> Xfce has its own session manager, right?
[07:23] <faryshta_> cjs: then I suggest to try lxde.
[07:23] <Guest46533> damn I tryed ubuntu 11.10 now I'm lost :(
[07:23] <knome> the best thing to start with is to install either xubuntu-desktop or lubuntu-desktop
[07:23] <faryshta_> cjs:  yes.
[07:24] <knome> xubuntu is a bit more featurerich and mature, but lubuntu is lighter
[07:24] <faryshta_> knome: besides lubuntu looks like W.XP :P
[07:24] <knome> i don't know about that, haven't really used it
[07:25] <knome> Guest46533, lost with what?
[07:25] <Guest46533> new desktop
[07:25] <Guest46533> look too much like mac, I want my old good gnome back
[07:25] <Guest46533> or xfce
[07:25] <knome> Guest46533, if you have installed *ubuntu*, you can get help in #ubuntu.
[07:25] <cjs> faryshta_: lxde sounds good to me.
[07:26] <faryshta_> cjs its very stable, light and fast. I think is much better than gnome and kde.
[07:26] <faryshta_> cjs sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop
[07:26] <knome> which is also what can be said about xubuntu/xfce
[07:27] <cjs> So what's the difference between the lubuntu-desktop and lxde packages?
[07:27] <Guest46533> yeah honestly the one I prefer was xfce, but it also the one I experienced most freeze
[07:28] <knome> cjs, everything might not work as expected with only lxde packages. you probably should ask #lubuntu for more insight on that
[07:28] <faryshta_> cjs: knome also ask on how to delete the gnome desktop
[07:28] <knome> !puregnome
[07:28] <faryshta_> AFAIK its not simple.
[07:28] <knome> err
[07:29] <knome> !purelxde
[07:29] <knome> ^ there is the process
[07:29] <cjs> Hm. Ok. Keep in mind I will be replacing the window manager; anything special I should know about that?
[07:29] <faryshta_> ohh nice.
[07:29] <cjs> I don't mind having all the Gnome stuff installed on my system; it makes it easy if other people need to use it and have a reaosnably familiar environment.
[07:29] <faryshta_> cjs demands goat sacrifices every thursday.
[07:29] <faryshta_> cjs lxde demands goat sacrifices every thursday.
[07:30] <cjs> I'm quite used to animal sacrifices to keep things running. I've been running fvwm on top of Gnome for years now. :-)
[07:30] <knome> cjs, removing gnome3 hasn't always worked / people have had problems with running gnome3+something else parallel, but i don't know if that's fixed in the final version
[07:32] <faryshta_> gnome3 demands your first born and 3 mana tiers to be removed.
[07:33] <cjs> What  do you mean by "running gnome3+something else parallel"?
[07:33] <knome> faryshta_, okay, please stop that
[07:33] <faryshta_> knome k.
[07:33] <knome> cjs, for example, installing gnome3 and xfce might have been problematic, but you can only know by installing, i suppose...
[07:33] <cjs> Hm.
[07:34] <cjs> Well, I guess I will find out....
[07:34] <faryshta_> I always go for fresh install but now I am suffering my decision.
[07:34] <knome> fresh install is the best choice, if you can do that
[07:34] <cjs> I can do it, I suppose....
[07:34] <faryshta_> except I don't have wifi now.
[07:38] <cjs> Oh wow! Xen is back!
[07:51] <cjs> Hm. So, I installed lubuntu-desktop, set the display manager to lxdm, and rebooted. Now I get no login window, just a blue background with some wavy blue lines on it.
[07:52] <cjs> lxdm-binary and /usr/lib/lxdm/lxdm-greeter-gtk are running.
[07:52] <cjs> Oh, maybe I should be asking this on #lubuntu?
[07:53] <knome> cjs, yeah, that would be a better place
[07:56] <cjs> Kinda quiet over there, though.
[07:56] <cjs> Well, I can just use gdm. That works quite nicely for me.
[07:59] <cjs> Oh darn! I like the lxe panel! faryshta_, you may have just improved my life enormously.
[07:59] <zus> howdy
[08:00] <knome> hello
[08:02] <zus> im not finding where to turn of tap to click on the trackpad...
[08:07] <well_laid_lawn> it'll be in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-synaptics afaik
[08:08] <knome> isn't there gsynaptics or sth for GUI modificaitons
[08:08] <knome> !gsynaptics
[08:08] <knome> !info gsynaptics
[08:08] <zus> i thought there was a menu settings under mouse
[08:10] <WonkyWiFi> I want to get rid of password prompt after suspend/hibernate. I already have auto login setup and disabled screensaver. TIA.
[08:16] <cjs> How much disk space does a basic xubuntu install use? lxubuntu seems huge.
[08:18] <knome> cjs, about 3GB, a bit less
[08:20] <cjs> Hm. Seems similar to gnome.
[08:21] <knome> that's because there is default applications that are installed
[08:21] <knome> there is the minimal CD if you want to have as slim system as possible
[08:21] <knome> !minimal
[08:22] <zus> if i were to copy the mouse/trackpad part of another xorgconf, and paste it in, would i then also have no "tap-to-click"
[08:22] <knome> zus, if that's what you've set in the other configuration, i suppose that would work too
[08:24] <zus> knome:  i know  "Linuxmint Debian edition XFCE" has disable touchpad when type and tap to click off. enabled by default...think that should work?
[08:25] <knome> zus, i don't know
[08:28] <visitor1> can pls somebody say what xubuntu updated today? nvidia driver?
[08:29] <visitor1> its a new graphic card driver?
[08:29] <visitor1> but it didnt even want a reboot?
[08:32] <knome> visitor1, oneiric ocelot (11.10) was released yesterday
[08:32] <visitor1> yes, but i use the lts 10.4
[08:33] <Math^> hello there, can someone tell me what calculator app comes with Xubuntu by default?
[08:34] <knome> Math^, gnumeric, if you mean spreadsheets
[08:34] <knome> visitor1, nothing should have changes afaik
[08:34] <Math^> hmm, no just a small calc
[08:34] <knome> *changed
[08:34] <knome> Math^, gcalctool
[08:34] <Math^> knome, thnx :)
[08:34] <knome> np
[08:35] <visitor1> but it loaded something like 20MB nvidia stuff
[08:35] <knome> visitor1, it might be the nvidia drivers got updated then. is there a problem with that?
[08:35] <Math^> knome, hmm, it's not themable?
[08:35] <visitor1> no i just wondered
[08:36] <visitor1> also i will have to try if flash is working better now
[08:36] <interglacial> hi everyone, is there a launcher in xfce or one that works well with it?
[08:36] <Math^> knome, thnx, seems like it's the one. but it's not using my GTK theme
[08:36] <knome> Math^, if you mean something like completely change the "skin", no, i don't think so
[08:36] <knome> Math^, it should use the gtk theme though
[08:36] <Math^> hmm
[08:37] <knome> Math^, well, it has some hardcoded colors i think, but it shouldn't look all bad
[08:37] <knome> interglacial, launcher?
[08:37] <knome> interglacial, are you referring to something like gdm or xfrun or something else?
[08:38] <interglacial> something like spotlight in osx or the launcher in unity, hit a key and type the name of your program and it searches for it
[08:39] <interglacial> knome, i'll look at xfrun, havent heard of that before
[08:39] <knome> interglacial, xfce4-appfinder too
[08:40] <interglacial> knome, thanks! i'll see if i've got that or install it
[08:44] <interglacial> knome, thanks-again. xfce4-appfinder is just what i was looking for. now i'll figure out how to bind it to my windows key and i'm sorted!
[08:44] <knome> interglacial, settings manager -> keyboard -> tab application shortcuts
[08:44] <knome> interglacial, i think you need something else than just winkey though
[08:45] <knome> interglacial, i was wrong. you can bind to winkey only :)
[08:45] <interglacial> knome, oh cool!
[08:47] <interglacial> hey xfrun is already there. i guess i need to poke around in xfce some more :)
[08:47] <knome> yup. alt+f2, as in most OS'es actually
[08:47] <l0lwut> Has anyone had trouble with the 11.10 update? I just updated and now I can get into xfce, I get the splash screen that says waiting for a network connection which times out after a few minutes and then just black
[08:48] <knome> l0lwut, well i'm about 40 minutes away from having upgraded
[08:48] <knome> l0lwut, do you use wireless?
[08:48] <l0lwut> yeah
[08:48] <interglacial> i had big problems until i deleted all my hidden settings directories from my home directory
[08:48] <knome> mmh. i wonder why the splash screen is waiting for network though
[08:49] <l0lwut> even once i get stuck here if i switch over to the command line and connect everything and try to start xfce it just hangs
[08:49] <knome> l0lwut, you can start by trying to delete ~/.cache first
[08:49] <interglacial> l0lwut, have you tried logging on as a new user?
[08:50] <l0lwut> I cant even get to the login windown
[08:50] <l0lwut> window*
[08:50] <l0lwut> I'ts just black after the splash
[08:50] <interglacial> l0lwut, oh
[08:50] <l0lwut> there was also nothing in cache
[08:51] <knome> not even hidden files? :)
[08:51] <l0lwut> the folder didnt even exist
[08:52] <knome> .cache? (note the dot)
[08:52] <knome> in your /home/username
[08:52] <l0lwut> yes nothing thhere
[08:52] <knome> hmmh. weird.
[08:54] <l0lwut> It's weird I'm able to get into the command line but i cant get a window manager to start for the life of me
[08:54] <knome> do you have /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[08:55] <l0lwut> yes
[08:55] <l0lwut> what is the command to start xubuntu from the shell?
[08:55] <l0lwut> xfce i guess
[08:56] <lighta> start-xfce4_session
[08:56] <lighta> something like that wait
[08:56] <knome> startxfce4 i suppose
[08:56] <knome> :)
[08:59] <l0lwut> well im in on a different window head
[08:59] <l0lwut> Anyone have an idea where to start trouble shooting this?
[09:00] <knome> removing/backuping all .-starting directories in home could help
[09:00] <knome> (of course, you lose all the configurations then...)
[09:00] <knome> with 11.10, we are using lightdm, but with 11.04, gdm. that might have something to do with it too
[09:01] <l0lwut> The thing is I'm not even logged in at that point
[09:01] <l0lwut> SHit thats it
[09:01] <l0lwut> I told the installer to use gdm
[09:01] <l0lwut> How do you switch it bac?
[09:01] <l0lwut> back*
[09:01] <knome> you are amongst the first people who have problems, so it's hard to say what's wrong
[09:01] <knome> i don't know
[09:01] <interglacial> l0lwut, if you dont even get the login maybe it's something to do with the new lightdm - i think i chose to keep with gdm when the upgrade happened
[09:02] <knome> using lightdm is vey recommended though
[09:02] <knome> *very
[09:02] <interglacial> does anyone know how to switch between the two?
[09:02] <l0lwut> interglacial, I chose to use gdm when it asked me.
[09:02] <knome> i can't browse the web right now (i'm upgrading), but i'm sure google will know quite quickly
[09:02] <interglacial> l0lwut, ah ok, same as me then
[09:02] <l0lwut> gdm killed it though
[09:02] <l0lwut> I cant login without spawing a new x session manually
[09:05] <l0lwut> got it, dkpg-reconfigure gdm
[09:05] <l0lwut> if anyone was curious
[09:06] <interglacial> l0lwut, ha! you beat me too it, just running that now
[09:06] <l0lwut> rebooting, lets see if this works
[09:07] <interglacial> l0lwut, good luck
[09:07] <l0lwut> This stuff always happens when i have other stuff to do
[09:07] <knome> of course, mr. murphy
[09:07] <gentoo_drummer> anyone here?
[09:07] <l0lwut> Huge deadline at noon tomorrow and i decided to update tonight lol
[09:07] <l0lwut> Gold ol murphy
[09:07] <gentoo_drummer> can i change the kernel config on ubuntu?
[09:07] <gentoo_drummer> i want to get rid of the genkernel config
[09:08] <MamboKurt> hit there! just a small "bug". i write it here because im too lazy to regiter at launchpad. if i install chromium browser i cant select it in prefered applications. i think this is a missing .desktop file.
[09:08] <knome> gentoo_drummer, you'd probably be better asking in #ubuntu-kernel
[09:09] <l0lwut> ...I have to wait for 3 min for the network config to time out. Is there a way to start your wireless config before you are logged in? I tried putting a script in init.d that loaded wpa_supplicant but it doesn't seem to be working
[09:12] <lighta> l0lwut, init.d I read after session start I think
[09:14] <l0lwut> damn, that change didn't help
[09:14] <l0lwut> still hanging
[09:15] <interglacial> hmm, well it sounds like other people are having similar problems in the main ubuntu channel.
[09:15] <l0lwut> Yeah i was seeing that as well
[09:15] <interglacial> i wonder which log file gdm/lightdm write to. sorry i'm not an expert
[09:17] <interglacial> can you get up and running to do the work you need to do today by launching the session manually - maybe it's better to wait until other people have worked through your problem for you
[09:17] <l0lwut> Yeah i can
[09:17] <l0lwut> I'm in xfce now
[09:18] <l0lwut> I just dont like leaving my machine in this state lol
[09:18] <interglacial> good, i've had update disasters in the past, i know how you feel
[09:19] <l0lwut> I feel helpless sometimes in ubuntu
[09:19] <l0lwut> I grew up on slackware
[09:19] <l0lwut> And I can never seem to figure out exactly wth ubuntu is doing
[09:20] <interglacial> i rekon things were simpler back then, all OSes are too bloated
[09:20] <l0lwut> Yeah, I agree
[09:21] <l0lwut> I'd like to switch to gentoo or arch but I just don't have the time to invest in that right now
[09:21] <l0lwut> I must sound old, I'm only 19 I can't really complain about the "old days" haha
[09:22] <interglacial> i've tried loads of different ones, you just seem to trade one set of problems for another. on balance i still think ubuntu results in the least overall grief
[09:22] <knome> booting now to see if upgrade worked
[09:22] <l0lwut> Yeah, that's what drove me to it in the first place
[09:22] <knome> brb, or if something went nuts, bbl
[09:22] <l0lwut> good luck!
[09:23] <lighta> what about fedora ? I was thinking to give a try
[09:23] <lighta> no idea ?
[09:24] <l0lwut> I played around with fedora for a while but reverted back to slack ware after a week or two
[09:24] <lighta> oh short while then
[09:24] <l0lwut> yeah lol
[09:25] <interglacial> i used to use fedora until about a year ago
[09:26] <interglacial> reason i switched was the distro seemed too unstable, updates coming down every day and almost every week i'd end up having to re-fix some driver or other
[09:26] <l0lwut> I just couldn't get it working properly in the first place
[09:26] <interglacial> maybe things have improved but the grass is never greener on the other side of the fence, just a different shade of dusty brown
[09:27] <l0lwut> I think it was the graphics drives that ended up forcing me to switch. 4 monitors was a pain to configure manually in xorg
[09:27] <lighta> ahw, now I dun feel like trying anymore =( well I'll see
[09:27] <l0lwut> I've heard really good things about arch
[09:27] <interglacial> oh sorry, it does have some good points too
[09:28] <lighta> na don't worry I certainly give a try someday
[09:30] <interglacial> SELinux in fedora is really neat and administration to me at least seemed more straightforward (standard uni runlevels rather than upstart)
[09:31] <lighta> I was thinking, found it fun difference of community : mac "oh yeah new iphone 5 is out whit iOS5 etc.." and us "oh cool new desktop, then 2min later wtf is my old button !!" xd
[09:32] <interglacial> haha
[09:32] <lighta> not true ?
[09:33] <interglacial> well things are a lot more fluid and there seems to be bigger changes happening all the time
[09:33] <lighta> yes that why I'm upgrading too =)
[09:35] <lighta> well not alway faster since they quite overloading stuff, (need new pc probably)
[09:35] <interglacial> i think the problem is the applications can change in ways that people don't like - i used to be a fan of the old KDE but haven't been able to stand it since version 4
[09:38] <lighta> well was it application or GUI ?, studying interface thoses day, but well quite a cli users found it more easier sometime, well maybe cause I like todo script
[09:40] <l0lwut> kde  was a window manager
[09:41] <lighta> tought he was talking about the entire kde-session package
[09:42] <interglacial> i was referring to kde as the whole desktop environment and user experience
[09:55] <knome> hmpf. i seem to have the same problem, except i can't get to xfce any way
[09:59] <l0lwut> What happens when you try and start it?
[09:59] <l0lwut> I have to manually go into command line (alt f1) and start it with startxfce4 -- :1
[10:00] <knome> i can't get to any other tty.
[10:00] <knome> the screen is goinfg on/off
[10:00] <l0lwut> hmm
[10:00] <l0lwut> I don't really know what to do there
[10:00] <l0lwut> I think i read somewhere that you can pass in a param to grub to do a non graphical boot
[10:01] <l0lwut> let me see if I can find it
[10:01] <knome> yeah, i can do that
[10:01] <knome> i can get to the recovery mode
[10:02] <l0lwut> set gfxpaylod=text   source: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/BlankScreen
[10:11] <knome> l0lwut, doesn't seem to affect anything
[10:12] <l0lwut> I don't know, I couldn't get it to work either. Maybe I interpreted what the instructions were saying wrong?
[10:12] <l0lwut> I got that from here, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/BlankScreen
[10:13] <knome> l0lwut, i think i'm going for a clean install.
[10:13] <knome> l0lwut, that worked on my eeepc
[10:17] <l0lwut> It's just so much work doing a fresh install
[10:17] <knome> kind of
[10:18] <knome> but i have backups of my /home
[10:19] <knome> i know it's not what i should do really, because there must be a way to fix this, but on the other hand, it's probably the fastest way
[10:20] <knome> the problem is i might not have a 700MB disc
[10:28] <l0lwut> Do you have a jumpdrive?
[10:28] <l0lwut> You said you installed it on your eee
[10:29] <knome> yeah, but for some reason, i can't get it to boot on my desktop
[10:30] <knome> i'm adding the .iso to grub ;)
[10:32] <l0lwut> aaah everything is broken... I chose a really bad time to update
[10:33] <l0lwut> my apache config is so messed up!
[10:35] <YeahRight> hi guys..i'm running xubuntu 10.04..can i upgrade to 11.10 in one step or do i need to update to 10.10 first? update manager seems to give me 10.10 option only atm..could someone telle me plz?
[10:35] <Myrtti> if you want to update via update manager, then yes through 10.10
[10:35] <knome> YeahRight, you need to upgrade to 10.10 and 11.04 first
[10:35] <Myrtti> and then 11.04
[10:35] <knome> YeahRight, or wait for 12.04
[10:35] <l0lwut> 11.10 seems pretty unstable right now. You might want to stop at 11.04
[10:36] <l0lwut> at least if you are upgrading
[10:40] <YeahRight> ok thanks for the answer
[10:41] <YeahRight> knome : why will updating to 12.04 be possible in one step? :P
[10:42] <knome> YeahRight, LTS to LTS
[10:42] <YeahRight> but 11.04 is LTS too isnt it?
[10:42] <knome> no
[10:42] <YeahRight> oh ok
[10:43] <YeahRight> upgrading is supposed to leave my installation alone right?
[10:52] <l0lwut> Yes
[10:52] <l0lwut> YeahRight, Your settings should be preserved through the update process
[10:53] <erejnion> ok... for what I do, I use generally three languages: english, japanese and bulgarian. Is there an easy way to switch between these three, or I will have to use ibus for japanese, and something else for bulgarian, for example?
[10:53] <YeahRight> ok great
[10:53] <YeahRight> thanks l0lwut
[10:54] <incorrect> i guess gtk3 apps are just going to look ugly and there is next to nothing that can be done?
[11:13] <erejnion> scim should do the work, eh?
[11:17] <wst> hi
[11:17] <knome> yay, i can get to a tty ;)
[11:18] <wst> i am currently installing xubuntu 11.10 and it seems to be downloading something from a server with very low upload speed
[11:18] <wst> there is a "skip" button but it doesn't show _what_ i am skipping
[11:19] <wst> i tried changing the software sources to a faster mirror before the installation but nothing changed
[12:21] <l0lwut> knome, did you do a fresh install?
[12:42] <xubuntu831> can you suggest me some text editors that doesn't use gnome or kde dependecies
[12:47] <naka> leafpad / mousepad
[12:48] <xubuntu831> some that has tabs
[12:49] <naka> hmm
[12:50] <xubuntu831> something similar to gedit or kate
[12:50] <naka> there's editra
[12:51] <naka> there's probably something lighter out there but i don't know it, myself
[12:57] <wst> geany is great
[12:58] <wst> technically it's an ide but you can use it as text editor too, it's really fast and light weight
[13:00] <wst> oh, i haven't noticed that he/she left
[14:33] <xubuntu724> hi all! moving from ubuntu to xubuntu right now!
[14:33] <xubuntu724> ; )
[14:38] <pteague_work> heh, got a nice nifty window popup about oneiric, but the "ask me later" button doesn't seem to work ;)
[14:41] <ElderDryas> pop up saying what?
[14:56] <incorrect> is there a vnc client that is still gtk2 and doesn't look ugly?
[15:12] <MikeEx> Enjoying the release but have a small cosmetic problem. some programs are not being themed (already fixed sudo themes). Programs like jockey, software center, update manager... any advice?
[15:13] <ElderDryas> MikeEx: Define "not being themes"?  What theme are you using? My Software Center looks themed to me.
[15:14] <MikeEx> any, included or custom
[15:15] <ElderDryas> The theme(s) used question is solved, now define "not being themed" please.
[15:17] <MikeEx> I guess the GTK engine isn't being applied to these programs? buttons are squared and such.
[15:17] <MikeEx> the theme I have applied has nice round edges
[15:19] <ElderDryas> But if you mahe the theme, say NOX, Doe the color scheme change to a darker grey?
[15:20] <MikeEx> no
[15:20] <MikeEx> only "high contrast" changes it
[15:21] <MikeEx> hmm, and greybird
[15:21] <ElderDryas> greybird is a light grey and NOX is a dark grey...you're saying that there is no change moving from one to the other?
[15:22] <MikeEx> right, also greybird is the only theme that will work for these programs
[15:23] <focalt_> yo guys
[15:23] <focalt_> how can I make a backup of my system state right now?
[15:24] <ryannathans> focalt_: clonezilla
[15:24] <ryannathans> or hibernate
[15:24] <ElderDryas> MikeEx: What video card do you have?
[15:24] <ryannathans> clonezilla is for cloneing hdd/partitons
[15:24] <MikeEx> maybe a permission problem? user level and elevated programs are properly themed
[15:24] <ryannathans> focalt_: you can't really unless you in VM
[15:25] <focalt_> hum...
[15:25] <MikeEx> hd4850, r600g
[15:25] <ElderDryas> MikeEx: Could be, but unless you
[15:25] <focalt_> so basically if my harddisk blows up, all my my system state (ie software, etc) goes with it
[15:26] <MikeEx> and gerybird is the default theme
[15:26] <focalt_> basically I realized that I tweak my environment, xfce etc
[15:26] <focalt_> and yesterday I tought "hum... if I loose all of it I won't start again tweaking"
[15:26] <ryannathans> focalt_: oh.. use clonezilla
[15:29] <moljac024> why cant xubuntu alternate be installed from usb?
[15:29] <moljac024> it always fails on the select and install packages step
[15:30] <moljac024> my laptop's cd drive is shot to hell and it cant read cds so i can only install from usb
[15:30] <ElderDryas> MikeEx: Changing from greybird to NOX makes no changes on everything or just those apps you mentioned?
[15:30] <MikeEx> just the apps mentioned.
[15:30] <ElderDryas> ah
[15:31] <ElderDryas> sorry mu mistake
[15:33] <MikeEx> archive manager, calculator, character map, and a few others as well
[15:33] <ElderDryas> MikeEx:  not having rounded button I can understand, some apps hard code such things in (as in FF's background color not matching the default theme's background color), but NO change when changing themes, I'm stumped.
[15:34] <MikeEx> Alright thanks anyways. ill probably just nuke and pave over.
[15:35] <ryannathans> moljac024: i have same problem D:
[15:35] <ryannathans> same as ubuntu/kubuntu
[15:37] <MikeEx> hmm, maybe its gtk3 related?
[15:37] <ElderDryas> MikeEx: What happens when you change Window Manager?
[15:38] <MikeEx> xsession errors has a bunch of lines from those themes i shifted through
[15:38] <MikeEx> 2011-10-14 08:21:35,598 - softwarecenter.ui.gtk3.utils - INFO - Softwarecenter style provider for industrial Gtk theme: /usr/share/software-center/ui/gtk3/css/softwarecenter.css
[15:39] <MikeEx> windows are properly decorated
[15:42] <ElderDryas> MikeEx: And does the css file mention exist?
[15:42] <MikeEx> yes
[15:43] <MikeEx> I think these programs are expecting the themes to have a gtk3 sub folder
[15:44] <ElderDryas> MikeEx: Could be.....
[15:45] <ElderDryas> MikeEx: But I'm using a custom gtk2 theme (with no gtk3 folder) and am having no problems.
[15:45] <moljac024> so xubuntu alternate cant be installed from usb?
[15:45] <moljac024> and u cant set up luks/lvm from the desktop image
[15:46] <MikeEx> hmm
[15:47] <ElderDryas> MikeEx: I'm just fumbling around trying to come up with something, but...nothing :(
[15:47] <moljac024> so basically if you know more about your computer than how to turn it on, dont use moron-friendly ubuntu?
[15:47] <MikeEx> I appreciate the effort
[15:50] <pteague_work> ElderDryas, the popup title is "Ubuntu 11.10 Upgrade Available" & the window says "A new version of Ubuntu is available. Would you like to upgrade? ..." with info on oneiric ocelot
[15:52] <MikeEx> be back
[15:58] <mikeex> Ok problem identified, The themes that don't work, dont have a gtk3 sub folder
[15:58] <mikeex> I just tried adwaita and it worked
[15:58] <williammw> is it normal for an upgrade to tkae like 2 days?
[16:02] <mikeex> not sure what I did wrong if your gtk2 only themes work
[16:04] <zus> where is the mouse settings? and has anyone got  "tap-to-click" disabled, permanently"  like not having to redo the gsynaptics every log in
[16:04] <mikeex> @ElderDryas thanks again for your effort, problem solved
[16:05] <pteague_work> williammw, huh? are you talking about to download the packages?
[16:06] <zus> anyone know if i can also copy the xorgconf from LmDe-XFCE (which has tap to click disable on default, into xubuntu if that also would work.
[16:07] <ntoll> hi. Just installed 11.10 and having problems. I have a dual-monitor set-up but can't find a way to stop them mirroring each other. How do I make my desktop stretch across both monitors???
[16:07] <mikeex> are they both DVI?
[16:07] <williammw> no, im talking about the 11.10 upgrade. i upgraded but it took like 2 days, terminal was taking it sweet time configuring
[16:08] <ntoll> mikeex, you asking me?
[16:08] <mikeex> no
[16:08] <mikeex> yes
[16:09] <mikeex> ntoll , sorry going blind
[16:09] <ntoll> mikeex, I'll take that as a maybe... ;-)
[16:09] <ntoll> I'm on a laptop
[16:10] <ntoll> on a macbook actually
[16:10] <ntoll> so, er, yes... the external monitor is DVI IIRC
[16:10] <ntoll> connected via DVI I mean
[16:11] <ntoll> mikeex, actually, of course it is
[16:11] <ntoll> doh
[16:11]  * ntoll is hoping there's some easy way to fix it.
[16:11] <mikeex> xrandr -q     | will identify your displays
[16:11] <ntoll> mikeex, yup
[16:12] <mikeex> my setup for example is dual DVI monitors, dvi-0 is my primary, dvi-1 is my secondary
[16:12] <mikeex> try the equivalent to    "xrandr --output DVI-1 --right-of DVI-0 --auto"
[16:13] <ntoll> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/708077/
[16:13] <mikeex> you would use
[16:14] <mikeex> looks like your second screen is connected to a vga plug
[16:14] <mikeex> try this
[16:14] <ntoll> xrandr --output VGA1 --right-of LVDS1 --auto
[16:14] <ntoll> ^^^ seems to have worked
[16:14] <mikeex> ya
[16:14] <ntoll> mikeex,
[16:14] <ntoll> yeah
[16:15] <ntoll> ok... so rather than drop into terminal, how do I set this up "automagically"... or did I just do that..?
[16:15] <ntoll> mikeex, last time I had to play with X was when you hand wrote x config files by hand
[16:16] <mikeex> Usually one would go to settings>settings manager>Display
[16:16] <mikeex> but that has never worked for me, i always end up having to use xrandr
[16:16] <ntoll> mikeex, yeah... but I there's no "Mirror displays" checkbox (or something like it)
[16:16] <mikeex> The XFCE team needs to fix it
[16:17] <ntoll> mikeex, ok... so it's an XFCE thing
[16:17] <mikeex> I think so
[16:17] <ntoll> mikeex, but now that I've issued the command will it work after I reboot..?
[16:17] <mikeex> sadly... no. I have gotten it to stick a few times, but I don't know what I did exactly.
[16:18] <ntoll> mikeex, ok
[16:18] <ntoll> thanks for the help
[16:19] <mikeex> Np
[16:48] <MikeEx> Just nuke and paved. same GTK3 theme problem.
[16:48] <f0x09> is there any sftp client for xubuntu like that one for ubuntu connect to server
[16:48] <f0x09> and open the remote in a directory
[16:53] <xrdodrx> Is there any way to "log in automatically" with the new lightdm greeter?
[17:18] <Sysi> lightdm seems to suck, you can't login with double-click or pressing enter, only by pressing button
[17:18] <Sysi> hidder or nonexistant autologin
[17:19] <Sysi> I was happy when "they" copied osx, not windows
[17:20] <Unit193> LightDM is made for Ubuntu, not Xubuntu or anyone else. There were a few problems with it
[17:21] <Sysi> something canonical would do
[17:24] <XubuntuKris> Why did my upgrade to 11.10 break a bunch of theme things?
[17:25] <XubuntuKris> wth?
[17:25] <XubuntuKris> and why does xchat do that to me..
[17:25] <XubuntuKris> It randomly closes whatever channel I'm in.
[17:25] <XubuntuKris> blah
[17:25] <Sysi> XubuntuKris: gtk3, you need theme supporting it
[17:26] <XubuntuKris> O.o
[17:26] <XubuntuKris> supporting what?
[17:27] <XubuntuKris> Sysi^^
[17:28] <XubuntuKris> I didn't understand what you said
[17:28] <ElderDryas> Sysi: I'm confused...the GTK2 themes (stock and custom) appear to work just fine with my 11.10
[17:29] <ElderDryas> I thought GTK3 wasn't coming until 4.10, next spring?
[17:35] <ElderDryas> XubuntuKris: But others have noted problems too, no idea what's going on.
[17:35] <Sysi> ElderDryas: xfce uses gtk2 but apps are gtk3
[17:36] <Sysi> that's what causes problems, though greybird should work on both
[17:41] <ElderDryas> Sysi: OK, let's take 2 of the apps that were talked about earlier (Software Center and jocky). When I change the theme to NOX (which has no gtk3), both show the NOX theme (as opposed to what was said earlier here).
[17:41] <ElderDryas> Where am I going off track here?
[17:42] <Sysi> let me check my oneiric
[17:43] <Sysi> nox doesn't work for jockey on my oneiric
[17:44] <Sysi> greybird works, clean install of 11.10
[17:48] <ElderDryas> Sysi: I used the daily from last Monday and have applied all updates since (very few:).  Maybe that's the problem?
[17:49] <Sysi> dunno, I have few days old daily
[17:50] <ElderDryas> Sysi: I;m going to boot my USB of the release and see what that does.  Back in a few.
[17:57] <xubuntu211> i am in the process of finishing an xubuntu istall and it is seemingly frozen. what should i do?
[17:58] <ElderDryas> Sysi: Nope, with the release on my USB,  I still get theme change between greybird and NOX on SC and jockey :(
[17:59] <XubuntuKris> I'm installing now to a 36gig external hd. Fresh wipe and install. I'll test theming and such.
[17:59] <XubuntuKris> Maybe it's just messing up because of some leftovers from 11.04?
[17:59] <XubuntuKris> I.
[18:00] <ElderDryas> BTW, charlie-tca on vacation (not that he doesn't deserve one)
[18:00] <XubuntuKris> I.E. : cache files, etc.
[18:00] <ElderDryas> XubuntuKris: dunno, "I'm so confused" :)
[18:00] <XubuntuKris> lol. Me too.
[18:01] <XubuntuKris> It didn't break anything when I upgraded from 10.04 to 10.10 or to 11.04
[18:02] <ElderDryas> As my dad used to say "Son, you've got your tongue over your eye-teeth and can't see what you're doing"  Maybe that's it :)
[18:04] <XubuntuKris> lol.
[18:04] <XubuntuKris> When this install is done, I'll look into some more theories I have..
[18:08] <ElderDryas> If it wasn't for Sysi's clean install from the release version, I'd say it might be from a holdover from 11.04 or a daily-build
[18:10] <uofm49426> do i need to reset  up bttv after upgrade
[18:11] <ElderDryas> uofm49426: ?
[18:11] <uofm49426> the module
[18:12] <uofm49426> like card 17 tuner 30 radio1 in the options
[18:13] <ElderDryas> uofm49426: I have no idea, and no idea what a "up bttv" is, sorry.
[18:14] <uofm49426> its in video2 linux]
[18:14] <dr_jkl> uh, if i ugprade using the update manager, it's not going to nuke my xubuntu and give me ubuntu is it?
[18:14] <ElderDryas> dr_jkl: It shouldn't.
[18:15] <uofm49426> Brooktree tv card drivers
[18:17] <ElderDryas> uofm49426: Still no idea, but I'm guessing you'd be better off asking the question in #ubuntu, as it's probably not a xubuntu specific question.
[18:18] <ElderDryas> More chance of someone knowing the answer there
[18:21] <dr_jkl> i wonder why the upgrade wants to remove Eagle.
[18:22]  * dr_jkl will just reinstall it after, but.. hm. curious.
[18:22] <ElderDryas> dr_jkl: What's Eagle?
[18:22] <dr_jkl> EAGLE lets you design printed circuit boards in a format suitble for having them made at a fab  house.
[18:22] <ElderDryas> Did you use a ppa to install it?
[18:23] <dr_jkl> i don't remember. heh.
[18:23] <dr_jkl> no big deal, i cna put it back.
[18:23] <ElderDryas> dr_jkl: It did say it was removeing Eagle, not just disabling a third party ppa?
[18:24] <dr_jkl> it did say it was removing EAGLE.
[18:24] <ElderDryas> no idea then
[18:25] <ElderDryas> Bet it had something to do with dependencies though
[18:25] <MikeEx> To chime in from earlier, The problem was replicated with a fresh install
[18:27] <ElderDryas> MikeEx: Seems like I'm the only one WITHOUT the problem.
[18:28] <MikeEx> And you didn't do anything special?
[18:28] <MikeEx> I ended up copying greybird's gtk+3.0 folder into the theme I'm using, It's close enough.
[18:28] <ElderDryas> Well, I DID sacrifice a chicken before starting...I'm old school that way :)
[18:28] <MikeEx> lol
[18:29] <dr_jkl> to be on the safe side, i've backed up /home to a sdcard and i have a bootable thumbdrive version of the 11.10 installer >_>
[18:29] <dr_jkl> buuuuuuuut i think this should work
[18:30] <ElderDryas> dr_jkl: Just don't format the /home partiton...you do have a seperate /home right?
[18:31] <dr_jkl> i haven't had an ubuntu upgrade b0rk my system since hardy
[18:31] <Daniel____> hi xubuntus ;)
[18:32] <ElderDryas> dr_jkl: Neither have I, but "I" did b0rk my xfce 4.6 to 4.8 move.
[18:36] <lorn_> anyone recommend a fix for missing indicator-plugin? at startup it flashes briefly but then disappears
[18:39] <ElderDryas> lorn_: Maybe delete it from the panel and re-add it?
[18:40] <lorn_> phew, i did try that. but i just tried reinstalling it in synaptic again and it worked this time.
[18:41] <ElderDryas> Then life is good :)
[18:41] <lorn_> yes :D i'm not even going to look at it for a while, it seems to like disappearing
[19:04] <xrdodrx> Has anyone figured out how to enable auto-login in xubuntu 11.10? :s
[19:07] <ElderDryas> xrdodrx: I use the autologin option during the install...
[19:07] <xrdodrx> after an upgrade
[19:07] <mateo> Hello
[19:07] <mateo> empathy is not working on xubuntu 11.10 :(
[19:08] <ElderDryas> xrdodrx: but I <think> LDM does not allow it ATM
[19:09] <xrdodrx> ElderDryas, if that's the case then how are you doing it? :P
[19:09] <ElderDryas> xrdodrx: I use the autologin option during the install...which (I suspect) caused me to use GDM.
[19:10] <ElderDryas> or you can edit the file :)
[19:10] <xrdodrx> gdm isn't even on the disk...:<
[19:11] <ElderDryas> yeah, I just saw that.
[19:12] <ElderDryas> Here's my lightdm.conf   http://pastebin.com/ywHeBwPP
[19:12] <xrdodrx> ElderDryas, cheers :)
[19:14] <oscar> Hi, I have a problem with Xubuntu 11.10
[19:15] <oscar> The Network link at left tree in thunar is missing
[19:16] <xrdodrx> ElderDryas, just another quick question...have you figured out how to make scrolling over the volume icon change volume again?
[19:17] <MikeEx> huh... I don't remember ಠ_ಠ working as it should
[19:17] <xrdodrx> MikeEx, scrolling over the volume icon works for you? :<
[19:18] <MikeEx> not the icon
[19:18] <MikeEx> but the bar does
[19:18] <xrdodrx> ?
[19:18] <xrdodrx> o
[19:18] <xrdodrx> yes, of course
[19:18] <xrdodrx> i want the icon back :P i used that quite a bit
[19:23] <lordjj> About how much performance increase would Xfce give me over Gnome 2 in terms of memory?
[19:25] <MikeEx> Depends. gnome2 with compiz is smoother
[19:25] <MikeEx> compiz 0.8.6*
[19:26] <MikeEx> if you really want a difference, try lubuntu
[19:26] <MikeEx> its pretty good
[19:28] <MikeEx> xfwm compositing is kind of laggy
[19:31] <MikeEx> I have xubuntu only using 240mb ram on startup
[19:31] <ElderDryas> xrdodrx: Sorry, was AFK...I dunno
[19:32] <ElderDryas> lordjj: Using 11.04-32bit, my memory usage was ~160mb...using 11.10-64bit, it's ~230mb
[19:33] <ElderDryas> YMMV
[19:34] <lordjj> I prefer to stick with GTK
[19:36] <lordjj> I never cared about compiz effects, except for that one Desktop Zoom feature.
[19:37] <lordjj> Does Xubuntu come with compiz or not?
[19:37] <MikeEx> no
[19:37] <well_laid_lawn> not but you can install it
[19:37] <well_laid_lawn> !compiz
[19:37] <lordjj> Would use up more resources though right?
[19:38] <well_laid_lawn> if you run everything with it it will
[19:38] <well_laid_lawn> can be light if you don't have much effects happening
[19:39] <lordjj> If I could only replace the Desktop Zoom feature, I can do entirely without compiz.
[19:42] <mateo> it's strange, empathy seems to work, but it can't add IRC networks
[19:45] <inFamousKris> something I also noticed was that almost all of my menu icons are gone
[19:46] <inFamousKris> In my "applications" or "places" dropdown menu
[19:48] <bycara> can you suggest an alternative for ristretto photo viewer? i cant switch pictures
[19:53] <ElderDryas> inFamousKris: Applications and Places menu?  What Applications and Places Menu?
[19:54] <inFamousKris> I have two dropdown menus in my top panel,
[19:54] <ElderDryas> inFamousKris: There is the Applications Menu and you can add a Places Menu to the panel thru Add New Items, but I think the Applications and Places Menu went out with 4.6
[19:55] <ElderDryas> Or maybe it in GNOME, I forget :)
[19:55] <inFamousKris> I figured out my problem though.
[19:55] <ElderDryas> ?
[19:55] <inFamousKris> Apparently, the icon set I was using was no longer supported
[19:56] <ElderDryas> That will do it
[19:56] <inFamousKris> I wen't into appearance settings and changed the icon set, all is good no
[19:56] <inFamousKris> now*
[19:56] <ElderDryas> And, again, Life Is Good.
[19:57] <ElderDryas> inFamousKris: Sorry, I misread you original posts
[19:57] <inFamousKris> no prob
[19:58] <inFamousKris> bycara: in order to switch between multiple images in ristretto, you must first highlight all of the images you wish to view, then right click and click open with ristretto
[20:02] <ElderDryas> bycara: or use something like eog
[20:03] <bycara> i tried but pictures are opening separate windows
[20:06] <bycara> ElderDryas: thanks... eog works well :)
[20:25] <oscar> Hi, I have a problem with Xubuntu 11.10
[20:25] <oscar> The Network link at left tree in thunar is missing
[20:27] <oscar> I have installed Xubuntu 11.10 and the Network link at left tree in thunar don't show it
[20:27] <well_laid_lawn> do you have anything mounted ?
[20:31] <oscar> Yes, I have LAN network and in Xubuntu 11.04  I can show this link by default
[20:37] <DanielSenat> How about the new 11.10? Is it better than natty?
[20:37] <unorthodoxme> it got screwed up as soon as I used the nvidia driver
[20:38] <DanielSenat> Too bad
[20:38] <DanielSenat> Not really stable?
[20:38] <unorthodoxme> I think it was the driver that messed things up.
[20:39] <unorthodoxme> The OS was fine until I installed the driver
[20:39] <Sysi> nvidia/jockey was nightmare for me with 10.04LTS
[20:39] <DanielSenat> and ATI?
[20:40] <unorthodoxme> P4 2.53GHz 512ram and 40GB HD and still it runs slugish
[20:40] <unorthodoxme> ATI yes
[20:40] <unorthodoxme> Geforce4 420 Go
[20:40] <Sysi> 512MB isn't much, expecially for browser
[20:40] <DanielSenat> i have 512
[20:40] <unorthodoxme> never got over 300mb used though
[20:40] <DanielSenat> Is 11.10 heavier than natty?
[20:41] <unorthodoxme> browser jumps it to like 200
[20:42] <Sysi> open few tabs and keep open for couple of hours and we're taking gigabytes
[20:42] <ElderDryas> Sysi: FF?
[20:42] <Sysi> basically any browser
[20:43] <Sysi> chromium might be the worst
[20:43] <unorthodoxme> I tried puppy but I couldn't get used to openbox or jwm
[20:43] <ElderDryas> Everybody has gigabytes of RAM nowadays and small attention spans, why should hey bother to fix memory leaks
[20:43] <unorthodoxme> Well I have a desktop with more xubuntu was for an old laptop
[20:44] <Sysi> I have oneiric in virtualbox, I think it has too new kernel so it boots and shuts down slowly
[20:44] <unorthodoxme> I wanted to make it useful again
[20:44] <unorthodoxme> Lubuntu uses openbox?
[20:44] <Sysi> yup
[20:45] <unorthodoxme> color quality is like 16
[20:45] <unorthodoxme> *
[20:45] <inFamousKris> is there a way to disable the password protection on the screensaver?
[20:45] <unorthodoxme> you can disable the password all together
[20:46] <unorthodoxme> I forget how but I know I've seen the option
[20:46] <inFamousKris> I don't want it disabled all together.
[20:46] <inFamousKris> Just when coming from the screensaver
[20:55] <oscar> Yes, I have LAN network and in Xubuntu 11.04  I can show this link by default
[20:55] <oscar> Yes, I have LAN network and in Xubuntu 11.04  I can show this link by default?
[20:55] <GridCube> ?
[20:56] <GridCube> I just joined in can you explain oscar '
[20:57] <oscar> I have installed Xubuntu 11.10 and the Network link at left tree in thunar don't show it, somebody how fix it?
[20:59] <GridCube> if you press ctrl-t? oscar ?
[21:04] <oscar> GridCube: Nothing, nothing
[21:06] <GridCube> oscar, you want to go to a shared folder using thunar?
[21:06] <ElderDryas> oscar: You can see the tree view on the left but your LAN is not listed there like in 10.04?
[21:06] <ElderDryas> er 11.04
[21:07] <oscar> No, I have LAN  and in Xubuntu 11.04  I can't show this link by default? in 11.04 yes
[21:07] <oscar> No (Maybe yes), I have LAN  and in Xubuntu 11.04  I can't show this link by default? in 11.04 yes
[21:09] <GridCube> I have no experience whit that :( sorry
[21:09] <oscar> Yes, I can view tree on the left (Music, Images, Documents, etc), but Network not
[21:09] <GridCube> oscar, can you use gigolo?
[21:09] <Sysi> oscar: network bookmarks aren't supported yet in thunar 11.04 has
[21:13] <oscar> Thanks Sysi...,  So then I will use nautilus  :(
[21:14] <oscar> Gigolo yes I can use, but I don't view network connection
[21:15] <GridCube> as said, i don't know much about this topic so i will probably confuse you more, sorry
[21:23] <knome> l0lwut_, yeah.
[21:26] <lorin`> is there a compelling reason to upgrade to 11.10 ? i just got everything working in 11.04 :|
[21:26] <knome> lorin`, i'd suggest to stay with 11.04 at least a few days
[21:28] <lorin`> alright, that was kinda my thinking too. it did seem to work well on the live cd but every time i go to upgrade i am filled with dread something might go wrong :P
[21:29] <ElderDryas> lorin`: A six pack of beer beforhand might help...the dread will be gone and you're sure to mess something up :)
[21:30] <lorin`> hahah!
[21:35] <fwest> i am going back to 11.04 this gtk3 mix is ugly
[21:35] <ElderDryas> fwest: Theme troubles?
[21:36] <fwest> ElderDryas, ldap auth trouble, theme ugliness
[21:37] <fwest> maybe 11.10 is great for stand alone workstations
[21:40] <ElderDryas> fwest: Well, I solved #2 by making my own :)
[21:42] <ElderDryas> Form beats Function everytime, unfortunately.
[21:43] <fwest> not this time, i am going back to 11.04 until ldap auth works, xfce is using gtk3 :)
[21:43] <KaRoT7584> hello all  :-)
[21:43] <fwest> i just don't like the current mess
[21:44] <KaRoT7584> lol
[21:44] <fwest> did you come to moan about how everything is ugly?
[21:44] <fwest> ok not everything
[21:45]  * ElderDryas decides to go looking for his CP/M floppies
[21:45] <KaRoT7584> if u dint like eer i down know how to translate but it's not bad
[21:45] <KaRoT7584> not
[21:45] <fwest> i was happy with gnome 2
[21:46] <KaRoT7584> i don't konw what is ugly
[21:46] <fwest> the gtk2/gtk3 stuff
[21:46] <KaRoT7584> i  currentl install xubuntu 11.10
[21:47] <KaRoT7584> sorry my english is bad
[21:47] <fwest> ok
[21:47] <fwest> i am installing 11.04
[21:47] <fwest> 11.10 is awful
[21:47] <KaRoT7584> i don't really know the "codes" of IRC...
[21:47] <fwest> no its not, the boot loader is nice
[21:47] <KaRoT7584> sorry if i'm not correct
[21:48]  * fwest shrugs
[21:49] <KaRoT7584> 11.10 seems to be more efficient than the elier versions
[21:49] <ElderDryas> fwest: Before you re-install, can you post a couple of screenshots of what is "ugly".  I keep seeing people saying the gtk2/3 is problems, but I'm not seeing any of it?
[21:49] <fwest> how can it? it has to load gtk2 and gtk3 libs
[21:49] <KaRoT7584> (connection by wifi OK but not in other verions
[21:49] <fwest> ElderDryas, i can't even log in, ldap auth doesn't work with xsessions
[21:49] <ElderDryas> well, then that takes care of that :)
[21:50] <fwest> but i do have it on my laptop
[21:50] <fwest> which isn't about to get purged as i never got the ccache thing to work
[21:51] <fwest> maybe i am the only weirdo who has more than one machine and wants a single signon
[21:52] <KaRoT7584> install is still very heavy when use a CD :-/
[21:52] <ElderDryas> fwest: probably not, but I gave up multiple machines when retired...don't need them anymore.
[21:52] <fwest> i am just pxe installing my desktop
[21:53] <ElderDryas> Now that I have the time to mess with them, I find I don't want to
[21:53] <fwest> it get worse, i have a kvm server, i hate having non uniform account
[21:53] <fwest> s
[23:28] <andres-kain> http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=windows%2C+ubuntu&l=&relative=1 motivation?
[23:52] <_gnub> when I move my mouse to the right edge in Ubuntu 10 all of the sudden, it changes workspaces. I do not want this, how do I change it back?
[23:53] <_gnub> (it's xfce 4.6)
[23:56] <ElderDryas> _gnub: Try Window Manager> Advanced>Wrap Workspaces...this is for 4.8, but it should be close.
[23:58] <_gnub> thank you, that did it!
[23:58] <GridCube> _gnub, if you use the mousewheel on an empty space on a virtual desktop it rotates them
[23:59] <ElderDryas> GridCube: Not if you turn it off :)
[23:59] <_gnub> not mine, I turned that off, too. If my stuff goes to desktop two, it is because I SENT it there lol. :) -- P.S. that was quick, thanks again!
[23:59] <GridCube> ElderDryas, thats perfectly true
[23:59] <GridCube> :)