[00:34] <apachelogger> debfx: oh, it does require a >= ? :/
[00:34] <apachelogger> needs some looking into
[00:34] <apachelogger> but I suppose we can always inject something via debhelper
[00:34] <apachelogger> misc:depends can be abused for that most likely
[03:55] <claydoh> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3118699.0;topicseen
[04:55] <valorie> stuff like that is so cool to read!
[04:55] <valorie> thanks for linking it, claydoh
[06:11] <claydoh> valorie I think so too, it sure offsets a lot of the yelling and name calling :)
[06:12] <valorie> I was too busy to being in #kubuntu yesterday -- was there yelling and name-calling?
[06:17] <jussi> valorie: have you not seen the ML? 
[06:34] <valorie> oooo, no
[06:34]  * valorie goes to read
[06:36] <jussi> valorie: you might come away depressed...
[06:37] <valorie> my goodness, I was sort of dreading it, true
[06:37] <valorie> this Marcus person
[06:37] <valorie> ugh
[06:38] <valorie> markus
[06:38] <valorie> why is he on our list?
[06:38] <valorie> geez
[06:39] <valorie> ah, on mod
[06:39] <valorie> good
[06:39] <valorie> too late, but better late than never
[06:43] <valorie> I agree with txwikinger - we need a focus on quality and stabilty for Precise
[06:43] <valorie> not new bells and whistles
[06:43] <valorie> much as I love bells
[07:57] <debfx> apachelogger: we could set misc:Pre-Depends but must packages don't use that
[08:54] <markey> upgrade to Kubuntu 11.10 is taking its good time, but mostly because I overlooked a dialog that came up behind my browser window... gah
[08:54] <markey> "Replace custom config file XY with newer version?"
[08:54] <markey> possibly a usability issue I think?
[08:59] <markey> clicking on the KPackageKit icon in the taskbar also does not bring its dialogs into the foreground
[08:59] <markey> s/taskbar/systray
[08:59] <markey> taskbar works
[09:04] <markey> ok, rebooted
[09:04] <markey> seems to have worked
[09:04] <markey> but Gwibber comes up with half of its icons missing
[09:15] <apachelogger> damn, now I missed martin -.-
[09:15] <apachelogger> markey: what icons would those be?
[09:15] <apachelogger> supposedly you need to install gnome-icon-theme or whatever it is called
[09:16] <apachelogger> debfx: or simply inject it into the target control file ;)
[09:18] <debfx> apachelogger: yeah but how? dpkg-gencontrol has a -D option ("Override or add an output control file field.") but we want to append something to pre-depends instead of overriding it
[09:19] <markey> apachelogger: the icons at the top
[09:19] <markey> how do you call this again
[09:19] <markey> below menu
[09:19] <apachelogger> toolbar icons?
[09:19] <markey> yes
[09:19] <markey> two of them are there
[09:19] <markey> the rest shows the "missing icon" icon
[09:32] <apachelogger> markey: yeah, probaly gnome icon stuff missing
[09:35]  * apachelogger reads 11.10 reviews
[09:37]  * yofel wonders how to use oxygen-gtk3
[09:41] <yofel> hm, ok, got it "working"  - it completely ignores my color scheme though
[09:41] <yofel> at least it looks better than gtk1 style
[09:42] <schnelle> guys... sometimes chromium doesn't start : nikola@testbox:~$ chromium-browser 
[09:42] <schnelle> Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "canberra-gtk-module"
[09:43] <yofel> schnelle: libcanberra-gtk-module installed?
[09:44] <schnelle> yes, but gtk3 module
[09:44] <apachelogger> chromium uses gtk2 though
[09:45] <schnelle> this is clean install on my test partition
[09:46] <yofel> this shouldn't be a fatal error though from what I know...
[09:46] <yofel> yep, here chromium works even without that lib
[09:48] <markey> apachelogger: i A gnome-icon-theme
[09:48] <markey> it's installed
[09:48] <markey> does it need -extras? or -full?
[09:50] <markey> oh wow, Gwibber's config UI redefines minimalism. I actually like that though
[09:50] <markey> I'm a fan of keeping number of options as low as possible
[09:56] <apachelogger> markey: no idea, really depends on the icons, but I suppose the more you have installed the better
[09:56] <apachelogger> plus I'd report a bug against gwibber
[09:57] <apachelogger> clearly there is something not as cross desktop as it should be
[10:23] <yofel> yay... polkit-kde-1 crashed. *sigh*
[10:24] <yofel> and doesn't seem to restart by itself...
[10:33] <ghostcube> hmm hi folks, after upgrading my plasma-desktop is crashing if i edit my environment with mini apps wallpaper and so on, i got an full backtrace for the crash
[10:33] <ghostcube> anyone want maybe to look at it?
[10:34] <apachelogger> well
[10:34] <apachelogger> show us the backtrace
[10:34] <apachelogger> chances are it is a widget that causes the crash
[10:35] <ghostcube> here we go
[10:35] <ghostcube> http://pastie.org/2699883
[10:42] <apachelogger> ghostcube: #6  WicdNetworkManager::createNetworkInterface (this=0x7ffff2889410, uni=...) at ../../../solid/wicd/networkmanager.cpp:165
[10:42] <apachelogger> try not using wicd
[10:42] <apachelogger> and file a bug at bugs.kde.org
[10:42] <ghostcube> i did already
[10:42] <ghostcube> ok will take out wicd 
[10:43] <ghostcube> thx so far :)
[10:59] <bulldog98> there was a new rekonq release where should I put the package for testing in? updates?
[11:32] <shadeslayer> wendar: Hotel ack'd delivery 
[11:35] <shadeslayer> valorie: How will we communicate with you once we land? :P
[11:36] <shadeslayer> know any place where we can meetup with you? ( in the airport itself )
[14:05] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Wait, what are you talking about, no UDS for u, right?
[15:05] <bambee> hi
[15:24] <Quintasan> bambee: \o
[15:37] <bambee> congrats to the team for this great release btw <3
[15:41] <GirlyGirl> Broken link in #kubuntu topic "https://wiki.kubuntu.org/OneiricOcelot/Final/Kubuntu/Kmai" should be "https://wiki.kubuntu.org/OneiricOcelot/Final/Kubuntu/Kmail"
[15:42] <mfraz74> GirlyGirl: is there a size limit to the topic?
[15:43] <GirlyGirl> mfraz74: I don't know
[15:47] <mfraz74> GirlyGirl: should be https://wiki.kubuntu.org/OneiricOcelot/Final/Kubuntu/Kmail2
[15:47] <GirlyGirl> mfraz74: Ah yes
[16:29] <sharpshooter> Haii all !! I  install kubuntu desktop in my ubuntu 11.10 box ...and I need to uninstall the kubuntu desktop 
[17:04] <sheytan> hey
[17:04] <sheytan> if i upgrade from natty to oneiric and have kontact from experimental already installed, will i have problems with it, too?
[17:05] <yofel> shouldn't - as that's already 4.7
[17:43] <bulldog98> sheytan: since I had experimental too (but on oneiric) it will work :)
[17:43] <bulldog98> or was it natty back then
[17:44] <sheytan> bulldog98: is it worth an upgrade to oneiric?
[17:44] <sheytan> besides new digikam and de 4.7.2 nothing new :*(
[17:44] <GirlyGirl> sheytan: I think it is
[17:44] <sheytan> :(
[17:45] <GirlyGirl> sheytan: Performance wise I find it a nice upgrade
[17:47] <sheytan> GirlyGirl: well, my machine is fast enough yet :)
[17:47] <sheytan> maybe i will upgrade to lts
[17:47] <sheytan> so in april or so
[17:48] <GirlyGirl> sheytan: See for yourself ... but its no big deal doing a dist-upgrade
[17:50]  * sheytan is afraid something might go wrong and brake his amazing desktop/apps/config setup :D
[17:50] <sheytan> happned once
[17:51] <GirlyGirl> sheytan: If you already have KDE 4.7X there should be no problem
[17:54] <sheytan> GirlyGirl: there shouldn't be at all. Well, i'm not scared at all, this was kinda a joke, but don't really see good reason to upgrade :)
[17:55] <GirlyGirl> sheytan: So later on no early kde 4.8  for you :d
[17:56] <yofel> + no 4.7 bugfixes. 4.7.2 will be the last point release I'll backport to natty
[17:57] <sheytan> yofel good you do :)
[17:57] <yofel> I'll backport them as soon as we have them in oneiric-updates
[17:57] <yofel> otherwise we'll get upgrade failures again like we did with maverick and 4.5.3
[17:57] <sheytan> GirlyGirl: there's one cool feature awaiting me already: disabling  scrollbars completly :D (hell yeah!)
[17:59] <GirlyGirl> http://linuxblog.darkduck.com/2011/10/disappointments-of-kubuntu-1110.html  .... someone seems disgruntled, the comments there are positive though
[17:59] <yofel> the release has good and no so good points, agreed. I don't think we did too bad though considering how many people worked on it
[18:00] <claydoh> GirlyGirl: that guy only tests out live sessions, and doesn't really like Kubutu iirc :/
[18:03] <yofel> *sigh* - there's nothing we can do about users being disappointed we don't ship more than one default wallpaper
[18:03] <yofel> we have no freakin' space!!
[18:05] <GirlyGirl> yofel: maybe a DVD release for people who want a more complete OS
[18:05] <yofel> GirlyGirl: we already have that...
[18:06] <yofel> people somehow just tend to not find it
[18:10] <yofel> hm, I know why it fails to shutdown with smbfs mounted
[18:10] <yofel> the wireless network is disconnected as soon as you log out, and later umount hangs hard on syncing the now unavailable smb mount
[18:11] <yofel> not sure why it never times out
[18:11] <GirlyGirl> I thought the dvd was just language packs
[18:13] <yofel> GirlyGirl: not really, you can for example compare the depencies of kubuntu-desktop with the deps of kubuntu-full
[18:29] <claydoh> well on kubuntuforums there aren't as many kmail related issues as I might have thought so far, just the ususal upgrade problems that seem to crop up relating to video drivers, etc.
[18:32] <yofel> neither in #kubuntu actually. There were a few people that had issues and I pointed them to the kmail release notes
[18:32] <yofel> haven't heard much from them after that
[18:33] <GirlyGirl> yofel: I've been pointing them to that again and again lots of people keep comming for that
[18:34] <yofel> hm,  I'm missing out on some of the busy times then
[18:35] <GirlyGirl> But its decreasing ... there are a few no sound after upgrade complaints but I guess that's not kubuntu specific
[18:35] <yofel> depends, some of those are phonon selecting the wrong output device
[18:35] <yofel> which I'm not sure why it happens
[18:47] <wendar> shadeslayer: great! (ack'd delivery)
[18:52] <debfx> yofel: I think the live part of the dvd has basically the same packages as the cd
[18:53] <yofel> hm, I need to take another look at the seeds then
[18:53] <debfx> which is why I think we should transform the dvd to an <2GB usb image like ubuntu
[18:54] <yofel> why <2G? I would rather have all of KDE on it and make it < 4GiB
[18:56] <debfx> do you think many users want to have all of kde installed on their system?
[18:57] <yofel> good question
[18:58] <debfx> I think 2GB is enough to fit the more popular applications and a bunch of language packs on it
[18:58] <yofel> firefox?
[19:01] <debfx> yeah firefox and an image editor
[19:04]  * yofel got a kernel panick o.O
[19:05] <bambee> yofel: nouveau ?
[19:05] <yofel> nope, intel - but I think it was more related to a very high system load while I was compiling something
[19:05] <bambee> my system is just unusable with nouveau here  (4 kernel panic today)
[19:06] <yofel> this was my eeePC and I had ext4 symbols in the panic trace
[19:06] <bambee> o.O
[19:09] <BarkingFish> woohoo!!!!
[19:10] <BarkingFish> After 125 minutes of the most nailbiting stuff I've ever been through, I *finally* have oneiric :)
[19:29] <nusch_> hi, could someone explain me why the dist upgrade sets managed=false in /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf
[19:29] <nusch_> ? If kubuntu is desktop system why someone would need to bother with manual console configuration /
[19:45]  * yofel wonders why nepomukindexer is indexing already indexed files o.O
[19:53] <debfx> yofel: have you read the latest blog post about nepomuk performance?
[19:56] <yofel> debfx: not yet
[19:58] <valorie> ooo, you won't have a working phone, will you shadeslayer?
[20:00] <valorie> do you have WhatsApp ?
[20:00] <valorie> I'll send you the dealieo
[20:00] <valorie> should work with wifi, if SFO has wifi
[20:01] <valorie> let's find out if it does
[20:01] <valorie> yes
[20:02] <valorie> will one of you have a phone for that?
[20:10] <nusch_> I have network-manager running, can see it's proberly detects wifi network in dbus viewer, but plasma applet shows no connections, wireless is grayed, on wired I can see only ifup(eth0), ifup(wlan0) http://pastebin.pl/48602 where is the problem?
[20:11] <nusch_> this happened after upgrade to 11.10
[20:12] <yofel> debfx: what I don't get is why the nepomukindexer processes end up consuming (or causing) SYS cpu usage, that seems to disable their nice level so they consume most of my eeePC's CPU time
[20:21] <Riddell> nusch_: I guess that means we don't know, and user support is in #kubuntu
[20:23] <Riddell> hmm, markus sent another not very helpful rant to the mailing list, I think I'll reject
[20:24] <nusch_> Riddell: and what about my first question - it's a general problem, I'm asking this question on launchpad with every release and problem still exists..
[20:25] <Riddell> nusch_: I don't know I'm afraid, network manager daemon package is maintained by the ubuntu desktop team
[20:26] <nusch_> Riddell: ok thx
[20:52] <CIA-130> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kalgebra] Philip Muškovac * 16 * debian/changelog New upstream release (LP: #872506)
[20:57] <debfx> yofel: no idea about that, you could try to build the latest kde-runtime 4.7 snapshot
[20:58] <yofel> meaning I should enable strigi in neon and see what happens
[20:58] <yofel> I doubt there's going to change much in 4.7
[21:00] <debfx> https://trueg.wordpress.com/2011/10/13/taking-a-break-from-crash-fixing-for-usability/ says it's all backported to 4.7
[21:00] <yofel> ah, then I'll try it
[21:02] <yofel> ok, I WILL try it
[21:13] <debfx> yofel: these are some packages I would put on an usb image: http://paste.ubuntu.com/708943/
[21:16] <yofel> debfx: hm, I know gwenview has a scan plugin - do we need skanlite? 
[21:17] <debfx> yofel: from kipi-plugins?
[21:18] <yofel> not sure, if it is we'll need skanlite then
[21:46] <bulldog98_> yofel: I’d like to get libreoffice replaced by calligra, since it make an amazing progress
[21:47] <yofel> come again once calligra has been released and calligra-word stops chopping of piecies of the characters
[21:48] <bulldog98> also kile would be nice, but I know that this won’t happen since texlive needs to much space
[21:49] <bulldog98> btw why is ktikz in debian but not in ubuntu archive?
[21:55] <yofel> what's that?
[22:01] <bulldog98> yofel: a tool to create latex (tikz package) graphics (texdoc pgf)
[22:02] <yofel> bulldog98: it probably got into debian after debianimportfreeze
[22:02] <bulldog98> maybe
[22:02] <yofel> should get synced from wheezy soon
[22:02] <bulldog98> yeah :)
[22:02] <bulldog98> for the mean time I did an oneiric repackaging
[22:03] <yofel> well, to make sure you could file a manual sync request
[22:03] <yofel> but I guess it's too soon for that
[22:11] <CIA-130> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kalzium] Philip Muškovac * 19 * debian/changelog New upstream release (LP: #872506)