[00:34] debfx: oh, it does require a >= ? :/ [00:34] needs some looking into [00:34] but I suppose we can always inject something via debhelper [00:34] misc:depends can be abused for that most likely === skreech_ is now known as Daskreech [03:55] http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3118699.0;topicseen [04:55] stuff like that is so cool to read! [04:55] thanks for linking it, claydoh [06:11] valorie I think so too, it sure offsets a lot of the yelling and name calling :) [06:12] I was too busy to being in #kubuntu yesterday -- was there yelling and name-calling? [06:17] valorie: have you not seen the ML? [06:34] oooo, no [06:34] * valorie goes to read [06:36] valorie: you might come away depressed... [06:37] my goodness, I was sort of dreading it, true [06:37] this Marcus person [06:37] ugh [06:38] markus [06:38] why is he on our list? [06:38] geez [06:39] ah, on mod [06:39] good [06:39] too late, but better late than never [06:43] I agree with txwikinger - we need a focus on quality and stabilty for Precise [06:43] not new bells and whistles [06:43] much as I love bells [07:57] apachelogger: we could set misc:Pre-Depends but must packages don't use that [08:54] upgrade to Kubuntu 11.10 is taking its good time, but mostly because I overlooked a dialog that came up behind my browser window... gah [08:54] "Replace custom config file XY with newer version?" [08:54] possibly a usability issue I think? [08:59] clicking on the KPackageKit icon in the taskbar also does not bring its dialogs into the foreground [08:59] s/taskbar/systray [08:59] taskbar works [09:04] ok, rebooted [09:04] seems to have worked [09:04] but Gwibber comes up with half of its icons missing [09:15] damn, now I missed martin -.- [09:15] markey: what icons would those be? [09:15] supposedly you need to install gnome-icon-theme or whatever it is called [09:16] debfx: or simply inject it into the target control file ;) [09:18] apachelogger: yeah but how? dpkg-gencontrol has a -D option ("Override or add an output control file field.") but we want to append something to pre-depends instead of overriding it [09:19] apachelogger: the icons at the top [09:19] how do you call this again [09:19] below menu [09:19] toolbar icons? [09:19] yes [09:19] two of them are there [09:19] the rest shows the "missing icon" icon === bulldog98_ is now known as bulldog98 [09:32] markey: yeah, probaly gnome icon stuff missing [09:35] * apachelogger reads 11.10 reviews [09:37] * yofel wonders how to use oxygen-gtk3 [09:41] hm, ok, got it "working" - it completely ignores my color scheme though [09:41] at least it looks better than gtk1 style [09:42] guys... sometimes chromium doesn't start : nikola@testbox:~$ chromium-browser [09:42] Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "canberra-gtk-module" [09:43] schnelle: libcanberra-gtk-module installed? [09:44] yes, but gtk3 module [09:44] chromium uses gtk2 though [09:45] this is clean install on my test partition [09:46] this shouldn't be a fatal error though from what I know... [09:46] yep, here chromium works even without that lib [09:48] apachelogger: i A gnome-icon-theme [09:48] it's installed [09:48] does it need -extras? or -full? [09:50] oh wow, Gwibber's config UI redefines minimalism. I actually like that though [09:50] I'm a fan of keeping number of options as low as possible [09:56] markey: no idea, really depends on the icons, but I suppose the more you have installed the better [09:56] plus I'd report a bug against gwibber [09:57] clearly there is something not as cross desktop as it should be [10:23] yay... polkit-kde-1 crashed. *sigh* [10:24] and doesn't seem to restart by itself... [10:33] hmm hi folks, after upgrading my plasma-desktop is crashing if i edit my environment with mini apps wallpaper and so on, i got an full backtrace for the crash [10:33] anyone want maybe to look at it? [10:34] well [10:34] show us the backtrace [10:34] chances are it is a widget that causes the crash [10:35] here we go [10:35] http://pastie.org/2699883 [10:42] ghostcube: #6 WicdNetworkManager::createNetworkInterface (this=0x7ffff2889410, uni=...) at ../../../solid/wicd/networkmanager.cpp:165 [10:42] try not using wicd [10:42] and file a bug at bugs.kde.org [10:42] i did already [10:42] ok will take out wicd [10:43] thx so far :) [10:59] there was a new rekonq release where should I put the package for testing in? updates? [11:32] wendar: Hotel ack'd delivery [11:35] valorie: How will we communicate with you once we land? :P [11:36] know any place where we can meetup with you? ( in the airport itself ) [14:05] shadeslayer: Wait, what are you talking about, no UDS for u, right? [15:05] hi [15:24] bambee: \o [15:37] congrats to the team for this great release btw <3 [15:41] Broken link in #kubuntu topic "https://wiki.kubuntu.org/OneiricOcelot/Final/Kubuntu/Kmai" should be "https://wiki.kubuntu.org/OneiricOcelot/Final/Kubuntu/Kmail" [15:42] GirlyGirl: is there a size limit to the topic? [15:43] mfraz74: I don't know [15:47] GirlyGirl: should be https://wiki.kubuntu.org/OneiricOcelot/Final/Kubuntu/Kmail2 [15:47] mfraz74: Ah yes [16:29] Haii all !! I install kubuntu desktop in my ubuntu 11.10 box ...and I need to uninstall the kubuntu desktop === bambee is now known as bambee_ [17:04] hey [17:04] if i upgrade from natty to oneiric and have kontact from experimental already installed, will i have problems with it, too? [17:05] shouldn't - as that's already 4.7 === Jon_Severinsson is now known as Jonno [17:43] sheytan: since I had experimental too (but on oneiric) it will work :) [17:43] or was it natty back then [17:44] bulldog98: is it worth an upgrade to oneiric? [17:44] besides new digikam and de 4.7.2 nothing new :*( [17:44] sheytan: I think it is [17:44] :( [17:45] sheytan: Performance wise I find it a nice upgrade [17:47] GirlyGirl: well, my machine is fast enough yet :) [17:47] maybe i will upgrade to lts [17:47] so in april or so [17:48] sheytan: See for yourself ... but its no big deal doing a dist-upgrade [17:50] * sheytan is afraid something might go wrong and brake his amazing desktop/apps/config setup :D [17:50] happned once [17:51] sheytan: If you already have KDE 4.7X there should be no problem [17:54] GirlyGirl: there shouldn't be at all. Well, i'm not scared at all, this was kinda a joke, but don't really see good reason to upgrade :) [17:55] sheytan: So later on no early kde 4.8 for you :d [17:56] + no 4.7 bugfixes. 4.7.2 will be the last point release I'll backport to natty [17:57] yofel good you do :) [17:57] I'll backport them as soon as we have them in oneiric-updates [17:57] otherwise we'll get upgrade failures again like we did with maverick and 4.5.3 [17:57] GirlyGirl: there's one cool feature awaiting me already: disabling scrollbars completly :D (hell yeah!) [17:59] http://linuxblog.darkduck.com/2011/10/disappointments-of-kubuntu-1110.html .... someone seems disgruntled, the comments there are positive though [17:59] the release has good and no so good points, agreed. I don't think we did too bad though considering how many people worked on it [18:00] GirlyGirl: that guy only tests out live sessions, and doesn't really like Kubutu iirc :/ [18:03] *sigh* - there's nothing we can do about users being disappointed we don't ship more than one default wallpaper [18:03] we have no freakin' space!! [18:05] yofel: maybe a DVD release for people who want a more complete OS [18:05] GirlyGirl: we already have that... [18:06] people somehow just tend to not find it [18:10] hm, I know why it fails to shutdown with smbfs mounted [18:10] the wireless network is disconnected as soon as you log out, and later umount hangs hard on syncing the now unavailable smb mount [18:11] not sure why it never times out [18:11] I thought the dvd was just language packs [18:13] GirlyGirl: not really, you can for example compare the depencies of kubuntu-desktop with the deps of kubuntu-full [18:29] well on kubuntuforums there aren't as many kmail related issues as I might have thought so far, just the ususal upgrade problems that seem to crop up relating to video drivers, etc. === jonse168 is now known as Jonno_ [18:32] neither in #kubuntu actually. There were a few people that had issues and I pointed them to the kmail release notes [18:32] haven't heard much from them after that [18:33] yofel: I've been pointing them to that again and again lots of people keep comming for that [18:34] hm, I'm missing out on some of the busy times then [18:35] But its decreasing ... there are a few no sound after upgrade complaints but I guess that's not kubuntu specific [18:35] depends, some of those are phonon selecting the wrong output device [18:35] which I'm not sure why it happens [18:47] shadeslayer: great! (ack'd delivery) [18:52] yofel: I think the live part of the dvd has basically the same packages as the cd [18:53] hm, I need to take another look at the seeds then [18:53] which is why I think we should transform the dvd to an <2GB usb image like ubuntu [18:54] why <2G? I would rather have all of KDE on it and make it < 4GiB [18:56] do you think many users want to have all of kde installed on their system? [18:57] good question [18:58] I think 2GB is enough to fit the more popular applications and a bunch of language packs on it [18:58] firefox? [19:01] yeah firefox and an image editor [19:04] * yofel got a kernel panick o.O [19:05] yofel: nouveau ? [19:05] nope, intel - but I think it was more related to a very high system load while I was compiling something [19:05] my system is just unusable with nouveau here (4 kernel panic today) [19:06] this was my eeePC and I had ext4 symbols in the panic trace [19:06] o.O [19:09] woohoo!!!! [19:10] After 125 minutes of the most nailbiting stuff I've ever been through, I *finally* have oneiric :) [19:29] hi, could someone explain me why the dist upgrade sets managed=false in /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf [19:29] ? If kubuntu is desktop system why someone would need to bother with manual console configuration / [19:45] * yofel wonders why nepomukindexer is indexing already indexed files o.O [19:53] yofel: have you read the latest blog post about nepomuk performance? === yofel_ is now known as yofel [19:56] debfx: not yet [19:58] ooo, you won't have a working phone, will you shadeslayer? [20:00] do you have WhatsApp ? [20:00] I'll send you the dealieo [20:00] should work with wifi, if SFO has wifi [20:01] let's find out if it does [20:01] yes [20:02] will one of you have a phone for that? [20:10] I have network-manager running, can see it's proberly detects wifi network in dbus viewer, but plasma applet shows no connections, wireless is grayed, on wired I can see only ifup(eth0), ifup(wlan0) http://pastebin.pl/48602 where is the problem? [20:11] this happened after upgrade to 11.10 [20:12] debfx: what I don't get is why the nepomukindexer processes end up consuming (or causing) SYS cpu usage, that seems to disable their nice level so they consume most of my eeePC's CPU time [20:21] nusch_: I guess that means we don't know, and user support is in #kubuntu [20:23] hmm, markus sent another not very helpful rant to the mailing list, I think I'll reject [20:24] Riddell: and what about my first question - it's a general problem, I'm asking this question on launchpad with every release and problem still exists.. [20:25] nusch_: I don't know I'm afraid, network manager daemon package is maintained by the ubuntu desktop team [20:26] Riddell: ok thx [20:52] [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kalgebra] Philip Muškovac * 16 * debian/changelog New upstream release (LP: #872506) === neversfelde_ is now known as neversfelde [20:57] yofel: no idea about that, you could try to build the latest kde-runtime 4.7 snapshot [20:58] meaning I should enable strigi in neon and see what happens [20:58] I doubt there's going to change much in 4.7 [21:00] https://trueg.wordpress.com/2011/10/13/taking-a-break-from-crash-fixing-for-usability/ says it's all backported to 4.7 [21:00] ah, then I'll try it [21:02] ok, I WILL try it [21:13] yofel: these are some packages I would put on an usb image: http://paste.ubuntu.com/708943/ [21:16] debfx: hm, I know gwenview has a scan plugin - do we need skanlite? [21:17] yofel: from kipi-plugins? [21:18] not sure, if it is we'll need skanlite then [21:46] yofel: I’d like to get libreoffice replaced by calligra, since it make an amazing progress === bulldog98_ is now known as bulldog98 [21:47] come again once calligra has been released and calligra-word stops chopping of piecies of the characters [21:48] also kile would be nice, but I know that this won’t happen since texlive needs to much space [21:49] btw why is ktikz in debian but not in ubuntu archive? [21:55] what's that? [22:01] yofel: a tool to create latex (tikz package) graphics (texdoc pgf) [22:02] bulldog98: it probably got into debian after debianimportfreeze [22:02] maybe [22:02] should get synced from wheezy soon [22:02] yeah :) [22:02] for the mean time I did an oneiric repackaging [22:03] well, to make sure you could file a manual sync request [22:03] but I guess it's too soon for that [22:11] [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kalzium] Philip Muškovac * 19 * debian/changelog New upstream release (LP: #872506) === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan === skreech_ is now known as DasKreech === skreech_ is now known as Daskreech