[00:00] <phiscibe> and graphic app jar heads in here?  no problem just wanna talk shop
[00:00] <phiscibe> any that is
[00:00] <phiscibe> i cant type today
[00:04] <Drecondius> Help, I can connect in kubuntu but not ubuntu any suggestions?
[00:05] <Drecondius> errr, connect wirelessly
[00:06] <phiscibe> get drunk, do a tc-ip dance and pay
[00:06] <phiscibe> pray
[00:06] <phiscibe> but, they both use diffrent network managers
[00:08] <westy> phiscibe, nope that didnt help, just error after error
[00:08] <westy> phiscibe: guess i will install rather then upgrade
[00:10] <phiscibe> i hope u didnt loose all ur mail
[00:11] <ZooMonkey> Doh. Invalid postgre version. :( ... maybe I can't get this going as ez as I thought on Kubuntu.
[00:13] <westy> phiscibe, oh i backed up before this all started, unless it deleted it from the server, which i doubt (hopefully!)
[00:13] <phiscibe> is it imap?
[00:14] <westy> phiscibe, yes
[00:15] <phiscibe> has to be Akonadi problem for your mail
[00:15] <westy_> yeah i think so
[00:15] <merlin1991> okay, I know why i did dl like uberslow, fskd r8169 kernel module is bs
[00:16] <westy_> i did do the delete file and reupgrade, but that failed
[00:16] <merlin1991> my syslog is filled up with 3:00.0: eth0: link up lines
[00:17] <phiscibe> but if all you stuff is on the server westy, you could just stat over with a fresh install
[00:19] <westy_> phiscibe, yep thats what i think too. I do have a lot of local folder mail, but I will import it. The changes are too great in this release
[00:19] <westy_> and its my second upgrade
[00:23] <phiscibe> merlin
[00:23] <phiscibe> http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=250807
[00:24] <phiscibe> might be a clue
[00:42] <ZooMonkey> yeah I just manually installed the correct version of postgre and it's still failing the install. :( Sorry guys, I tried. Maybe it will work in a few days if Ubuntu cant.
[00:55] <Jonah_yc> hi, has anyone else got broken WiFi since upgrading to 11.10?
[00:55] <Guest36968> hi
[00:56] <phiscibe> ive yet to do it jonah, im waiting to see where the beans spill
[00:57] <phiscibe> plus the update servers are slow as crap atm
[00:57] <phiscibe>  and i got 4 machines
[00:57] <phiscibe> Jonah_yc: what does the command iwconfig show?
[00:58] <Jonah_yc> well the beans always seem to spill allover my WiFi!!
[01:00] <Jonah_yc> phiscibe: iwconfig says WiFi is located on wlan0, but network manager always gets stuck on waiting for authentication
[01:03] <Jonah_yc> phiscibe, im getting a "deauthenticated Reason 2" error from dmesg
[01:07] <phiscibe> Jonah_yc: what does the command cat /etc/resolv.conf  show
[01:09] <phiscibe> cat /etc/resolv.conf
[01:09] <phiscibe> that is
[01:12] <Jonah_yc> phiscibe, just says Generated by NetworkManager
[01:17] <phiscibe> i think, but dunno for sure, the network manager is playing games with your resolv.conf folder which should have the ip adress of  you DNS servers JonathanD
[01:17] <phiscibe> Johah i mean
[02:00] <dsaintz> everyone
[02:05] <phiscibe> yo
[03:28] <phiscibe> aaaaahhe anybody home or just use old goats
[03:28] <phiscibe> baaaah
[03:29] <cpatrick08> i hhere
[03:29] <phiscibe> sup
[03:29] <Yamauchi> join #ubuntu
[03:29] <phiscibe> im nursing upgrades hang in out\
[03:29] <Yamauchi> lulz
[03:29] <phiscibe> too crowded
[03:30] <Yamauchi> mean to type /join
[03:30] <phiscibe> lol
[03:36] <renato> #join Ubuntu-br
[03:37] <well_laid_lawn> renato: iif you didn't get there try   /j #ubuntu-br
[03:38] <Guest46291> shehzad
[03:39] <semitones> i'm about to try installing the new kubuntu over my existing one
[03:39] <semitones> is the idea to use oneconf?
[03:47] <cpatrick08> semitones: you trying to do clean install or upgrade
[03:47] <semitones> clean install, but keep some applications
[03:47] <semitones> and keep my data
[03:48] <semitones> I think the installer supports that
[03:48] <cpatrick08> do you have a seperate /home partition
[03:49] <shehzad_> hi, is there any review available for oneiric yet?
[03:51] <semitones> cpatrick08: no, all one partition
[03:52] <semitones> shehzad_: i haven't seen any specific to kubuntu yet
[03:52] <cpatrick08> there is not much way to keep your apps and data with a clean install you can backup data to external hard drive but cannot save apps with clean install only upgrade
[03:52] <shehzad_> semitones: i see
[03:53] <shehzad_> does anybody know where is 'what is new' page for oneiric?
[03:53] <semitones> shehzad_: yeah i can find you one of those
[03:54] <semitones> shehzad_: actually check out the first link in the /topic
[03:54] <shehzad_> semitones: cool thanks !
[03:55] <semitones> cpatrick08: hmm, I guess you needed a /home partition to take advantage of that feature then :/
[03:57] <cpatrick08> yea sorry
[04:00] <phiscibe> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/11.10-release
[04:02] <Yamauchi> living in the 3rd world... still downloading 11.10
[04:02] <phiscibe> semitones: maybe you could make your own local repository with your package
[04:03] <semitones> phiscibe: it's no big deal :) I'll just back up my data and make a home partition when I install
[04:04] <phiscibe> there is oneconf now, its for syncing apps across many machines, but might could serve as bacup
[04:05] <phiscibe> and Stipple
[04:06] <semitones> phiscibe: yeah i was asking about oneconf
[04:06] <semitones> how is it supposed to work
[04:07] <phiscibe> i think, it works with ubuntu one services as man in the middle, the clould service stores what apps and configs and application data, and syncs it, Stipple does this also but with more options
[04:08] <phiscibe> the apache couchdb is involed with stipple
[04:09] <phiscibe> im been looking at these options lately, i have 4 pc's and keeping them straight is some times a job
[04:10] <phiscibe> im hoping maybe for a poor mans directory service with roamign profiles...sorta
[04:11] <aperson> should installing the kubuntu-lowfat-settings package pull in the entire desktop?
[04:11] <phiscibe> no idea, i havent gotten to 11.10 yet, im watching the milk spill atm
[04:12] <phiscibe> possible yes
[04:55] <semitones_webcha> hello, how do I install flash in oneiric -- can it be done through muon? (i have 64 bit)
[04:55] <semitones_webcha> i'm testing this verison of kubuntu to see if it's a good os to give my roommate as his introduction to foss
[04:56] <preecher> wont the restricted extras have flash included?
[04:58] <semitones_webcha> preecher: i can install it and see
[04:59] <semitones_webcha> it says it has flash
[04:59] <preecher> ive never installed flash stand alone in ubuntu/kubuntu or xubuntu   but ive always installed the restricted extras and its taken care of if on my end
[04:59] <semitones_webcha> I'd call that a bug in muon -- searching for flash does not bring up restricted extras
[05:06] <Ravnac> Hello Folks - maybe some1 here's able to help me. I installed Ubuntu 11.10, then decided Kubunto looked better and installed it via "apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" and removed the ubuntu one. Now my after a reboot UI's quite clear and has no real UI (like this: http://i.imgur.com/obqk4.png)
[05:14] <valorie> hmm, looks like ubuntu-desktop wasn't removed
[05:14] <valorie> but really, it isn't necessary to remove it
[05:14] <valorie> just use KDM, and log into Kubuntu
[05:14] <valorie> !kdm
[05:15] <valorie> hmmm
[05:15] <valorie> !dpkg
[05:15] <valorie> piffle
[05:16] <matias> Hello!
[05:16] <Guest47957> I need help... Im using ubuntu 11.04
[05:18] <valorie> Guest47957: say what your problem is, and someone might be able to help
[05:19] <Guest47957> thanx... im update ubuntu 10.10 to 11.04...
[05:20] <Guest47957> at finish.. not install grub2, memtest, and the new kernel
[05:21] <Guest47957> then, when install a every program,
[05:21] <valorie> why didn't you install grub2?
[05:22] <Guest47957> Im can paste here the error...
[05:22] <valorie> pastebin please
[05:22] <valorie> don't flood here
[05:22] <valorie> !pastebin
[05:24] <valorie> Ravnac: please run "dpkg-reconfigure -a" in a console
[05:24] <valorie> !gdm
[05:25] <Guest47957> ok,
[05:25] <Ravnac> valorie: Did, awaiting the result ...
[05:26] <valorie> Ravnac: also, this might help after that: http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/how-to-switch-between-gdm-and-kdm-on-ubuntu/
[05:26] <Guest47957> here -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/708374/
[05:27] <valorie> Guest47957: difficult to read as I only speak english
[05:27] <Guest47957> OK...
[05:27] <valorie> however, I think you also will find sudo dpkg-reconfigure -a useful
[05:28] <Ravnac> Someone just posted a how-to-geek link about switching between KDE and the other thing - care to repost? Had a disconnect
[05:28] <valorie> also, /etc/default/grub: 9: splash: not found -- you need grub!
[05:28] <valorie> and here is the second link: http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/how-to-switch-between-gdm-and-kdm-on-ubuntu/
[05:29] <phoenix_firebrd> valorie: valorie zimmerman?
[05:29] <valorie> that's me
[05:30] <phoenix_firebrd> valorie: hello
[05:30] <valorie> do we know one another?
[05:30] <valorie> I like your nick
[05:30] <phoenix_firebrd> valorie: i am in you google plus circle
[05:30] <valorie> :-)
[05:30] <phoenix_firebrd> valorie: thanks
[05:30] <valorie> cool
[05:32] <Guest47957> valorie....
[05:32] <valorie> Guest47957: it's possible you misunderstood about grub
[05:32] <valorie> you can only have one of them
[05:32] <valorie> so if you have a dual-boot system, you don't want to install it a second time
[05:32] <Guest47957> Why should I choose kdm or gdm?
[05:32] <valorie> but you have to have one of them
[05:33] <valorie> usually it's just a matter of taste
[05:33] <valorie> but with 11.10, Ubuntu no longer uses gdm
[05:33] <valorie> they now use lightdm
[05:33] <phoenix_firebrd> what about lightdm?
[05:33] <valorie> Kubuntu still uses KDM
[05:34] <valorie> maybe one can use lightDM to switch between Unity and KDE desktop
[05:34] <valorie> but I don't know
[05:34] <phoenix_firebrd> if we use lightdm we wont be able to shudown from kmenu
[05:34] <valorie> I've not seen any documentation about that
[05:34] <valorie> !lightdm
[05:34] <Guest47957> yo ejecute el comando: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -a" y obtuve esto:
[05:34] <Guest47957> I run the command: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure-a" and got this:
[05:35] <Guest47957> Your console font configuration will be updated the next time your system
[05:35] <Guest47957> boots. If you want to update it now, run 'setupcon' from a virtual console.
[05:35] <Guest47957> update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.38-11-generic-pae
[05:35] <Guest47957> cron stop/waiting
[05:35] <Guest47957> dpkg-maintscript-helper: error: couldn't identify the package
[05:35] <valorie> dang, ubottu is being a bit dense tonight
[05:35] <FloodBotK2> Guest47957: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[05:35] <FloodBotK1> Guest47957: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[05:35] <phoenix_firebrd> Guest47957: use paste.ubuntu.com
[05:36] <Guest47957> http://paste.ubuntu.com/708377/
[05:36] <valorie> Guest47957: you have a complicated problem -- beyond my ability to help, I'm afraid
[05:36] <valorie> by choosing no grub, you now have a system with no boot system
[05:36] <Ravnac> valorie: Does the "Configuring auctex"-dialog always take that long? Can't even click "OK" and the Console-Windows doesn't really react :/.
[05:36] <valorie> !boot
[05:36] <valorie> !grub2
[05:37] <valorie> you might be able to fix your grub from a liveCD, liveDVD, or liveUSB, if you can boot from one of them
[05:37] <Ravnac> valorie: Ah, it's done now. I should be more patient. Thanks very much for your help
[05:37] <valorie> I have done so with chroot
[05:37] <Guest47957> the biggest problem is I can install programs and use my system, but every time I install a new program, the system tells me that "there is a package that was not finished installing" (the kernel) and do not know how to fix this problem.
[05:37] <valorie> it wasn't fun, however
[05:38] <valorie> Guest47957: read those links ubottu just put in the channel
[05:38] <valorie> boot options, and grub2 in particular
[05:38] <andantino> hows the new kubuntu?
[05:39] <valorie> andantino: awesome on my netbook
[05:39] <phoenix_firebrd> valorie: rescatux is a very good oprtion to recover grub
[05:39] <valorie> phoenix_firebrd: I've heard that
[05:39] <valorie> but haven't used it
[05:39] <valorie> !rescatux
[05:39] <phoenix_firebrd> valorie: i think i know a solution to Guest47957 issue
[05:39] <andantino> i have  never tried kubuntu before, thinking about giving it a shot
[05:40] <valorie> andantino: make a live CD, USB, or better yet, USB
[05:40] <valorie> and give it a spin
[05:40] <valorie> I bet you'll love it
[05:40] <andantino> im using fedora kde right now
[05:40] <valorie> well, I have fed. KDE friends too, so I won't say anything bad about it
[05:41] <valorie> except -- beefy miracle?
[05:41] <phoenix_firebrd> Guest47957: I had this problem sometime back, i simply uninstalled the kernel. You should have one other kernel to do this
[05:41] <valorie> ....
[05:41] <valorie> sec
[05:41] <andantino> thats still two releases away valorie
[05:41] <andantino> :P
[05:41] <Guest47957> ¿como puedo saber cuantos kernels tengo?
[05:42] <Guest47957> How I can know how many kernels I have?
[05:42] <phoenix_firebrd> Guest47957: english please
[05:42] <phoenix_firebrd> Guest47957: are you kde
[05:42] <phoenix_firebrd> Guest47957: are in you kde
[05:43] <phoenix_firebrd> Guest47957: sorry typo
[05:43] <Guest47957> no
[05:43] <phoenix_firebrd> Guest47957: you are in recovery console?
[05:43] <Guest47957> no, but I can logout and login with kde
[05:44] <phoenix_firebrd> Guest47957: if you can login to kde, use muon to check the kernel
[05:44] <well_laid_lawn> or try dpkg -l | grep kernel
[05:44] <Guest47957> now, I'm using Ubuntu and Quassel IRC, but from a GNOME session
[05:45] <Guest47957> ok.
[05:45] <phoenix_firebrd> well_laid_lawn: could you help Guest47957 to install the latest kernel
[05:46] <well_laid_lawn> he wants to count them afaik
[05:46] <Guest47957> http://paste.ubuntu.com/708382/
[05:46] <Guest47957> im run dpkg -l | grep kernel
[05:47] <valorie> when the old dog barks, gotta take him out, or disaster results
[05:47] <Guest47957> and the screen shows this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/708382/
[05:48] <phoenix_firebrd> Guest47957: you are in 11.04 right
[05:48] <Guest47957> yes
[05:48] <well_laid_lawn> you posted the same link twice
[05:48] <Guest47957> yes, im sorry.
[05:49] <well_laid_lawn> anyway lines 8,17,18 show in the comments they are kernels
[05:50] <Guest47957> I do not want to be a guest, so I will try to connect again with my nick "djthree"
[05:50] <fitty> Есть русские?
[05:50] <well_laid_lawn> is that russian?
[05:50] <djthree> ok,
[05:50] <well_laid_lawn> !ru | fitty
[05:51] <djthree> My native language is Spanish
[05:52] <phoenix_firebrd> djthree: remove this version 2.6.38-11.50
[05:52] <djthree> how?
[05:53] <phoenix_firebrd> djthree: sorry i forgot
[05:53] <phoenix_firebrd> well_laid_lawn: need a hand
[05:54] <djthree> ok
[05:54] <well_laid_lawn> try  apt-get remove pkg
[05:56] <phoenix_firebrd> well_laid_lawn: give him the full command
[05:57] <well_laid_lawn> there's three headers pkg's for the 2.6.38-11.50 kernel but no kernel
[05:57] <well_laid_lawn> line 12-14
[05:58] <phoenix_firebrd> well_laid_lawn: may be removing the header packages will fix the issue
[05:58] <phoenix_firebrd> well_laid_lawn: linux-image-2.6.38-11-generic-pae
[05:59] <phoenix_firebrd> well_laid_lawn: line 17
[06:03] <excognac> hi all! Upgrade went almost smoothly. What does the acitvity manager???
[06:04] <phoenix_firebrd> excognac: http://maketecheasier.com/use-kde-plasma-activities/2010/09/01
[06:04] <phoenix_firebrd> excognac: try this http://www.ghacks.net/2010/08/16/kde-desktop-activities-explained/
[06:27] <jmichaelx> i want to KILL nepomuk, akonadi and anything else related.....
[06:28] <jmichaelx> and i mean kill as in destroy
[06:58] <jamil_1> I think I eventually got connected to the wireless router... I have an ip on network ... but I cant ping anyone
[06:58] <jamil_1> if I ping local network i get Operation not permitted
[06:59] <jamil_1> if I ping google, it say unknown host
[07:02] <jamil_1> perhaps my ip routing table is messed up ?
[07:18] <well_laid_lawn> jamil_1: have you set a nameserver anywhere?
[07:19] <jamil_1> well_laid_lawn: nope
[07:19] <jamil_1> well_laid_lawn: not manually
[07:20] <well_laid_lawn> jamil_1: I'd set a nameserver then
[07:20] <jamil_1> well_laid_lawn: how would I go about it ?
[07:20] <jamil_1> well_laid_lawn: not sure about nameserver but bind is running on my machine if it helps
[07:20] <well_laid_lawn> jamil_1: there should be an option for it in whatever you used to set the network
[07:21] <jamil_1> well_laid_lawn: I never had to do this before
[07:22] <jamil_1> well_laid_lawn: I am connecting to the network from terminal so there is no option :(
[07:22] <well_laid_lawn> jamil_1: if you can ping -c 3 8.8.8.8 but not google.com then you need a nameserver
[07:23] <jamil_1> well_laid_lawn: it says network unreachable
[07:24] <well_laid_lawn> you're not connected then
[07:24] <jamil_1> well_laid_lawn: can it be firewall issue ?
[07:25] <well_laid_lawn> jamil_1: I have no idea what your setup is - as a guess it could be
[07:25] <jamil_1> well_laid_lawn: but in ifconfig wlan0 it shows that I have a local ip
[07:25] <well_laid_lawn> does   ifconfig -a   show anything is up?
[07:25] <well_laid_lawn> k
[07:26] <well_laid_lawn> jamil_1: what does   route   return?
[07:27] <jamil_1> well_laid_lawn: 192.168.15.0  *   255.255.255.0  U 0 0 0 wlan0
[07:28] <jamil_1> well_laid_lawn: I guess 192.168.15.0 is my gateway
[07:29] <well_laid_lawn> seems like it
[07:30] <jamil_1> well_laid_lawn: how can I check if there is no firewall blocking me
[07:30] <jamil_1> well_laid_lawn: does kubuntu ship with firewall ?
[07:31] <well_laid_lawn> jamil_1: yep but it's pretty open - check the router admin page maybe
[07:31] <well_laid_lawn> jamil_1: can you ping the router?
[07:32] <jamil_1> well_laid_lawn: I get Operation not permitted
[07:32] <NicodB> In my /etc/init.d/ I have a script, which is not started when my workstation boots. When I manually starts the servcice, I have no problems. I ran  update-rc.d so the script is registered. What could be the problem?
[07:33] <Yamauchi> 'The ISO file includes a file called usb-creator.exe' - where?
[07:34] <well_laid_lawn> jamil_1: you'll have to check if the router is set to respond to pings
[07:35] <jamil_1> well_laid_lawn: well, I can ping it from the machine I am currently using
[07:36] <well_laid_lawn> k
[07:38] <well_laid_lawn> jamil_1: then it's something local to the machine - how did you set the connection up?
[07:38] <joeblog> Hello folx
[07:39] <jamil_1> well_laid_lawn: wpa_supplicant -Dwext -iwlan0 -cwpa.conf && dhclient wlan0
[07:39] <joeblog> Everything is running smoothly for me using kubuntu 11.10 from a flash drive, but I can't get dragon player to work. Can someone help me please?
[07:41] <well_laid_lawn> jamil_1: what does   iwconfig wlan0   return? is it associated etc?
[07:43] <jamil_1> well_laid_lawn: yup
[07:43] <Arnold> joeblog: you might be missing various codecs. Try installing "kubuntu-restricted-extras" and see if it helps you. Or if not, you can install various gstreamer-plugins (bad, good, etc).
[07:43] <Yamauchi> 'The ISO file includes a file called usb-creator.exe' - where?
[07:43] <well_laid_lawn> jamil_1: is there a network manager still running?
[07:44] <jamil_1> well_laid_lawn: nope
[07:44] <joeblog> Arnold: thank you, will do so.
[07:45] <jamil_1> well_laid_lawn: running the network manager gives me an error that cant find some f**ing so file
[07:45] <phiscibe> jamil
[07:45] <phiscibe> your dns is maybe messed
[07:45] <well_laid_lawn> jamil_1: is your user in the network group - I'm just throwing up guesses here :)
[07:46] <phiscibe> didnt you eariler say your resolv.conf was empty except for commits
[07:46] <joeblog> I created a 1GB permanent partition on the thumb drive, but now kubuntu is complaining that I am running out of space. How can I increase the space?
[07:46] <jamil_1> well_laid_lawn: how can I check this ?
[07:46] <well_laid_lawn> jamil_1: in a terminal   groups
[07:46] <jamil_1> phiscibe: resolv.conf contains: nameserver 192.168.15.1
[07:47] <phiscibe> is that your router that ip address
[07:47] <jamil_1> well_laid_lawn: there is not network group
[07:47] <well_laid_lawn> jamil_1: look at what route returned and what is in resolv.conf
[07:47] <jamil_1> phiscibe: yup
[07:48] <phiscibe> do you have dns entries from your isp in your routers set up
[07:48] <jamil_1> phiscibe: I never had to tinker them before so no idea what does it mean. can explain a bit ?
[07:49] <jamil_1> well_laid_lawn: how can I add my user to a group ?\
[07:49] <phiscibe> you can ping local machines right?
[07:49] <jamil_1> phiscibe: I get Operation not permitted
[07:50] <jamil_1> phiscibe: maybe a permission issue ?
[07:50] <well_laid_lawn> !info usermod
[07:50] <phiscibe> try sudo ping
[07:50] <jamil_1> phiscibe: same error with sudp
[07:50] <jamil_1> phiscibe: s/sudp/sudo
[07:52] <phiscibe> did you have firewall ruels setup pre upgrade
[07:53] <jamil_1> phiscibe: never touched them
[07:53] <well_laid_lawn> phiscibe: are you in the network group?
[07:54] <well_laid_lawn> I'm on my arch box atm
[07:55] <jamil_1> well_laid_lawn: where is this network group ? I cant find it in /etc/group
[07:56] <well_laid_lawn> jamil_1: I'm in the network group on my arch system here - I can't check what ubuntu has atm which is why I asked phiscibe about it
[07:59] <joeblog> see you guys later, my disk space warning is now at 0%. Need to go fix it.
[08:00] <SilentDis> hello, I'm having a problem installing 11.10.  I've got a bunch of drives already setup, so I choose manual for disk setup.  I can select my / drive, but when I go to assign /dev/sdb1 as /home, ubiquity crashes without any error.  I've launched it from the prompt with --debug, but I don't know where it actually logs to, to trace down the error.  anyone have any idea?
[08:02] <well_laid_lawn> make sure the partition is unmounted
[08:02] <SilentDis> well_laid_lawn: it is
[08:02] <well_laid_lawn> k
[08:03] <SilentDis> well_laid_lawn: mount shows as clean
[08:03] <phiscibe> is dbus running i wonder
[08:03] <well_laid_lawn> SilentDis: you did the md5 check?
[08:03] <SilentDis> phiscibe: fresh boot from a live CD...  checking
[08:03] <SilentDis> well_laid_lawn: of course, I do that before burning, as well as after burning :)
[08:03] <phiscibe> sorry silent i meant with jamil_1
[08:05] <SilentDis> anyone know where ubiquity logs it's errors to when you --debug it?
[08:05] <jamil_1> phiscibe: yup
[08:05] <jamil_1> well_laid_lawn: Now I am able to ping my router !
[08:06] <phiscibe> whaat did u do
[08:06] <jamil_1> well_laid_lawn: after stopping ipmasq
[08:06] <well_laid_lawn> why was that running?
[08:06] <jamil_1> well_laid_lawn: I don't know
[08:06] <phiscibe> that would do the same as firewall rules, sorta
[08:07] <phiscibe> can you ping google.com
[08:07] <jamil_1> phiscibe: nope :(
[08:07] <phiscibe> or 74.125.65.106   googles ip
[08:07] <phiscibe> try the ip
[08:07] <jamil_1> phiscibe: nope
[08:08] <jamil_1> phiscibe: Network is unreachable
[08:08] <SilentDis> duh of the moment, it's in the system logs.  it appears ubiquity is throwing back "Device /dev/sdd1 not found in os-prober output" (with varying drives), followed by "switched to page Form" then crashing.  anyone have any ideas?
[08:09] <phiscibe> crazy jamil
[08:09] <phiscibe> you can ping the router, but nothing not outsied, are there other machines on the local net u can ping
[08:09] <jamil_1> phiscibe: I will become one sooner
[08:10] <jamil_1> phiscibe: I dont recall a single upgrade where things went smoothly
[08:10] <jamil_1> *cant
[08:11] <jamil_1> its working !
[08:12] <jamil_1> I tried the dhclient wlan0 once againt and now I can ping google
[08:12] <jamil_1> muhahahaha
[08:13] <xieyi> I have upgraded to 11.10 and meet problem that the proftpd can't be started properly.
[08:13] <SilentDis> alright, screw it.  saving my /etc/fstab from the old install.  I'll just restore it when I'm done.
[08:14] <jamil_1> thnks guys for being so patient. I really appreciate it phiscibe well_laid_lawn   :)
[08:14] <well_laid_lawn> cheers
[08:15] <anathema> hi
[08:15] <anathema> everytime I login to my kubuntu 11.10 the volume level is 0
[08:15] <anathema> how to fix that?
[08:16] <well_laid_lawn> are you saving the session each time?
[08:17] <SilentDis> anathema: I'd say go into system settings, make sure 'save session' is selected, and then just log out and back in.  should be set that way.  after that, if you wish, you can unmark save session.
[08:17] <phiscibe> jamil look in /var/log/auth.log for errors
[08:19] <anathema> SilentDis, I have "On login: Restore previous session" Is that correct?
[08:19] <SilentDis> yep.  now do a log out (not a restart, reboot, etc).
[08:20] <anathema> I had already this setting
[08:20] <SilentDis> anathema: yep. now do a log out (not a restart, reboot, etc).
[08:20] <anathema> so I dont think that it will be fixed
[08:20] <anathema> because I had already this. nothing changed :S
[08:20] <xieyi> where can I update packages in 11.10
[08:20] <anathema> To default leave option
[08:20] <anathema> what i must have?
[08:21] <SilentDis> anathema: ok, I assume, then, it's something goofed up with reboot and such not actually getting to the point of saving the session.  do a log out, and that should allow that process to complete before it gets sent down due to init level changing.
[08:21] <anathema> SilentDis, ok in the default leave option what I must have?
[08:21] <phiscibe> anathema: it sounds like this problem screwing with the system state, but im not sure: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1859432
[08:21] <phiscibe> also if u look at the kubunt realease nots i mentions the new var lock arrangment
[08:22] <anathema> phiscibe, no i dont think that is that the problem thanks anyway, the only problem that i have is the 0 level sound and a weird akonadi problem
[08:22] <anathema> error notification
[08:23] <anathema> SilentDis, Can you tell me please what setting I must have under the "default Leave option"? End Current session/Turn of /Restart Pc?
[08:25] <SilentDis> anathema: Default Leave Option - End current session.  On Login - Restore previous session.  then, log out (not restart, not shutdown), and see if that solves it.  I'm thinking it may be just a goofy problem with how restart/shutdown are handling the save session option.
[08:25] <anathema> Ok I will do that
[08:25] <phiscibe> anathema:  a corrupted pulseaudio config?  maybe delete or move /. pulse
[08:27] <SilentDis> phiscibe: that's a good idea, too.  goofy settings during upgrades suck.  I'll probably have my fair share after this, too, and I'll have to dig through a bunch >.<
[08:27] <anathema> SilentDis, i logged out, logged in, the sound is 0, also If I press the Kbutton the window is shown in the top of the page !!!Weird
[08:28] <phiscibe> ive yet to do it, i have four systems to do, ive been wathing whats going on, with ear to wall, tried on one machine it couldnt even get past updating
[08:29] <SilentDis> anathema: alrighty.  phiscibe had a good idea.  it could be a goofed up pulse audio config.  gimme 1 sec to find it's exact place so I can get ya a move command :)
[08:29] <anathema> Ok thanks
[08:29] <anathema> Whats with the weird problem that if i click the sound icon the menu is shown in the top of the page
[08:29] <SilentDis> anathema: in a terminal, type this:  mv ~/.pulse ~/pulse.backup
[08:30] <anathema> the same thing happens with the K button too
[08:30] <SilentDis> anathema: after that, log out/back in and/or restart machine.
[08:30] <anathema> done
[08:30] <anathema> ok
[08:32] <jamil_1> has anybody else encountered this error: Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.Childexited: Launch helper exited with unknown return code 127
[08:32] <jamil_1> ?
[08:32] <seshagiri> Hello everyone, While upgrading to Kubuntu 11.10, i encountered so many errors (http://pastebin.com/94CfGfKS). I've googled a lot, but didn't find any solution. Could some one help me?
[08:32] <phiscibe> yeah its the dbus var run locking error ive seen 50 ppl bitch about
[08:33] <SilentDis> jamil_1: You broke the internet.  stop that, it's how I get my porn, and I don't appreciate being without it.  [j/k, googling now ;)]
[08:33] <jamil_1> SilentDis: lol
[08:34] <SilentDis> !bug 613412 | jamil_1
[08:34] <jamil_1> phiscibe: any pointers
[08:34] <phiscibe> Upgrades
[08:34] <phiscibe> Ubuntu 11.10 has migrated away from /var/run, /var/lock and /dev/shm and now uses /run, /run/lock and /run/shm instead (respectively). While the Ubuntu AppArmor packages and shipped policy have been adjusted for this, custom policy may need to be updated. The following may be used to aid in migration (it allows both the old and the new paths):
[08:35] <phiscibe> but too late for that so look http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1859432
[08:35] <SilentDis> jamil_1: that little blurb from ubottu was meant for you.  they've changed the bot since I last had to use it, apparently.
[08:36] <jamil_1> phiscibe: I actually read this stuff but ignored it innocently assuming it wont effect me
[08:36] <anathema> SilentDis, fixed many thanks :) phiscibe also many thanks!!
[08:36] <SilentDis> anathema: no troubles.  suck it microsoft, community irc works better every damn time ;)
[08:36] <phiscibe> sed -i -e 's#/var/run#/{,var/}run#' -e 's#/var/lock#/{run,var}/lock#' -e 's#/dev/shm/#/{dev,run}/shm/#' <profile>
[08:37] <anathema> I have a problem with Akonadi-Kmail (Never used) but every time I login a "Mail dispatcher agent" error comes in
[08:37] <anathema> Failed to fetch the resource collection. Many ppl have this
[08:37] <phiscibe> that is supposed to make it work both ways, but just the other way works too
[08:37] <SilentDis> anathema: could you pastebin the error (if it's long) or just drop it in here if it's short?
[08:37] <SilentDis> !pastebin
[08:37] <anathema> SilentDis, Sure!!
[08:38]  * SilentDis didn't want to sleep anyway.  besides, this pack of smokes is still mostly full... ;)
[08:40] <jee_> hello
[08:40] <anathema> SilentDis, http://imagebin.org/179160
[08:40] <jee_> I've got a big problem with the nvidia drivers
[08:40] <SilentDis> just fyi, it is actually REALLY difficult to go back to a single monitor when you've spent the last 2 months with 2.  go faster install!
[08:41] <anathema> The Mail Dispatcher error is showing everytime I log in. In startup. The kmail error everytime I open Kmail (I dont use it but just to fix the problem)
[08:41] <jee_> ah, but i've to go, i'll fix it later, sorry, goodbye
[08:46] <anathema> So that's my problem: http://imagebin.org/179160
[08:50] <anathema> anyone with the same problem? http://imagebin.org/179160
[08:51] <phiscibe> KDE Bug 275469: A window may retain a taskbar entry after closing the application.
[08:51] <phiscibe> Migration to KMail 2 does not work, see KMail 2 migration.
[08:52] <phiscibe> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/OneiricOcelot/Final/Kubuntu/Kmail2
[08:52] <rork> anathema: if you share your main problem in this channel people are more likely to pick it up
[08:53] <anathema> phiscibe is a fix for this bug? or not yet
[08:56] <anathema> phiscibe, i dont want to backup my data (cause i dont have already in 11.10) i want to fix the error
[08:57] <phiscibe> so you have no mail data to save, just the bug
[08:58] <anathema> yeah exactly
[08:58] <anathema> I want to fix also the KMail because I want to start using it
[08:58] <anathema> and the akonadi too
[09:01] <rork> Where can I find the option to turn off adding accents on characters after typing a quote, e.g. ' + e gives é
[09:02] <TeslaTony> I just upgraded to 11.10, and now find that I have no way to turn my computer off without using the command line, and that even if I do, it hangs. What am I missing?
[09:04] <phiscibe> anathema: all i can think is make that migration tool run, it reconfigures the akanoid server, that or unistall everything that uses akanoid and akanoid and reisntall
[09:04] <anathema> ok thanks phiscibe i will try that
[09:04] <phiscibe> deleting ~/.kde/share/config/kmail-migratorrc running "kmail-migrator --interactive" might work, but u aint paying me and i aint swearing
[09:06] <anathema> phiscibe i removed the file and after that in migrator i typed migrate and nothing happens. I will try with the option Skip migration
[09:07] <anathema> phiscibe, the same. I must stop akonadi server fist?
[09:08] <phiscibe> probably
[09:10] <anathema> phiscibe how to launch akonadi console?
[09:10] <anathema> not configuration but console
[09:14] <phiscibe> u have to have the dev tools for akanoid
[09:15] <anathema> I see.
[09:15] <anathema> I want to reset the akonadi Resources configuration
[09:15] <anathema> because I opened the akonadi configuration tool and I see that are missing
[09:15] <anathema> that's the problem. I want a way to resetting to defautls
[09:16] <Anubis> hi! short question: what will be the impact on kde if i remove akonadi ?
[09:17] <phiscibe> well its used by a lot of crap
[09:17] <phiscibe> the neowhatit thing  is involed too
[09:17] <phiscibe> neomuk or soemthing
[09:19] <phiscibe> akanoid is where the default apps store mail contacts calander local folderes the neomuk indexing
[09:19] <GirlyGirl> nepomuk?
[09:19] <phiscibe> nepomuk
[09:19] <phiscibe> something like htat
[09:22] <phiscibe> anathema: i dunno, reset might not work because i think the upgrade had to restructure the mysql database , thats what themighratio tool is supposed to do
[09:22] <phiscibe> akonadictl is the servier
[09:22] <phiscibe> service
[09:22] <phiscibe> so akonadictl stop start restart should work
[09:23] <anathema> hmm i see
[09:23] <phiscibe> akonadictl status
[09:23] <anathema> I went to KDEResourcs in system settings
[09:23] <anathema> and I see a default option is loaded
[09:23] <anathema> but I cant delete it
[09:23] <jamil_1> me again ppl
[09:23] <anathema> is there any way to restore all kde resources and akonadi resources to default?
[09:23] <jamil_1> my dmesg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/708443/
[09:23] <anathema> or can you tell me yours settings
[09:23] <anathema> in Akonadi Resources
[09:24] <phiscibe>  KMail, KOrganizer, KJots, etc. were updated to use Akonadi as well. In addition, several Plasma widgets also use Akonadi to store and retrieve calendar events, notes, etc.  so killing akanoid should only effect those
[09:24] <jamil_1> why do i see errors every where
[09:24] <phiscibe> akonadi resources opes a gui
[09:25] <anathema> hmm in system personal information panel?
[09:25] <phiscibe> has the calander shared address book , plain address book and the mail foder settings
[09:25] <anathema> hmm i see
[09:25] <anathema> all of them are green in mine
[09:25] <anathema> showing:ready
[09:26] <phiscibe> its a kde control module
[09:26] <anathema> i see. i dont know why is failing with the error cant get the resources :P
[09:26] <phiscibe> but doesnt show under system settings
[09:27] <anathema> i have the personal contacts many times
[09:27] <anathema> i wil delete all except one :p
[09:35] <jamil_1> sick of:  cups main process terminated with status 127
[09:35] <phiscibe> jamil_1:  are you using nfs
[09:35] <jamil_1> phiscibe: nope
[09:35] <jamil_1> phiscibe: but used it some time ago
[09:35] <anathema> phiscibe: is there any way to have disabled all desktop effects but to have transparent K bar
[09:37] <jamil_1> each update is a pandora box
[09:41] <Anubis> you are right jamil
[09:44] <Yamauchi> installation is totally jacked up for me...
[09:46] <flying_sheep> hi
[09:47] <flying_sheep> no sound after upgrade. i guess it’s a common problem. what can i do?
[09:52] <zero1> hi guys, I have a prob with alt+f2 shortcut. suddently doesnt launch the starter
[09:52] <zero1> the run command is not set
[09:53] <phiscibe> flying_sheep: dry delteting the pulseaudio configuration   someplace in home folder is a hidden .pulse folder
[09:54] <joeblog> Hi folx, how do I automatically centre an application on loading it? Currently it is snapping to different corners of the screen
[09:54] <phiscibe> thats called krunner isnt it zero1
[09:54] <flying_sheep> phiscibe: i did. due to anothe bug kded couldn’t start until i moved away all my dotfiles. i copied back selected ones, .pulse wasn’t among them
[09:54] <flying_sheep> “kded” was no typo ;)
[09:55] <phiscibe> unistall and reinstall pulseaudi
[09:55] <zero1> phiscibe maybe... i mean the shortcut of the run applications. It is wokring if i press right click on desktop > Run command
[09:55] <zero1> I just want to have it with alt+f2 . It worked before rebooting :P
[09:57] <flying_sheep> phiscibe: didn’t work
[09:58] <zero1> is there any way to restore the alt+f2 ?
[09:58] <zero1> in the system settings > shortcuts there is no option
[09:59] <joeblog> Found it, windows now centre by themselves :)
[10:00] <phiscibe> you could manualy set the keyboard shourt cut in system settings
[10:01] <phiscibe> the taks to run is krunner
[10:02] <yofel> zero1: system settings -> shortcuts -> global -> component: run command interface -> run command
[10:03] <zero1> thanks yofel )
[10:03] <jamil_1> phiscibe: I dont have a cups file in init.d
[10:03] <yofel> jamil_1: you should, although it's only for compatibility
[10:03] <flying_sheep> phiscibe: amarok’s seeker bar doesn’t progress oO
[10:04] <yofel> the cups  service config file is in /etc/init/
[10:04] <jamil_1> yofel: is there way I could completely disable cups
[10:04] <yofel> jamil_1: oneiric?
[10:04] <jamil_1> yofel: yup
[10:05] <yofel> jamil_1: echo manual | sudo tee /etc/init/cups.override
[10:05] <yofel> that will prevent it from starting by itself
[10:06] <jamil_1> yofel: lemme test this
[10:06] <jamil_1> yofel: remember yesterday I had the graphics card issue ?
[10:07] <yofel> yes
[10:07] <jamil_1> yofel: I got arount it by manually installing the nvidia-current from ubuntu site
[10:08] <jamil_1> yofel: but I still get stuck at the kubuntu blue screen
[10:08] <yofel> meh, then I'm not quite sure where to continue to debug this
[10:10] <jamil_1> yofel: the odd thing is that if I go for recovery kernel and enter kdm  in console it takes me to the login screen
[10:11] <yofel> then it's probably some service that get's stuck before kdm tries to start. You could replace 'quiet splash' in the kernel options with '--verbose', but that'll dump a LOT of hard to read asynchronous upstart loggin on the screen
[10:12] <phiscibe>        ksystemlog
[10:12] <yofel> upstart doesn't log anything by default
[10:13] <jamil_1> heres is my dmesg prior to disabling cups: http://paste.ubuntu.com/708443/
[10:13] <yofel> although syslog might have something
[10:13] <jamil_1> here it complains about network manager too
[10:14] <phiscibe> maybe the auth log or kenrel or syslog might show you  somthing
[10:14] <phiscibe> if u can run ksystemlog it is easy to get ot
[10:14] <yofel> [   45.044992] init: gdm main process (1090) terminated with status 127
[10:14] <yofel> gdm?
[10:14] <yofel> what does 'cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager' tell you?
[10:15] <jamil_1> yofel: I started with standard ubuntu then just to try out I installed KDM and then never went back
[10:15] <jamil_1> yofel: now I have both gnome and kde
[10:15] <jamil_1> yofel: can this be problematic ?
[10:15] <yofel> not really, but what DM is set as default?
[10:16] <jamil_1> yofel: gdm
[10:16] <yofel> hm... I'm not quite sure how much Q/A gdm has gotten in oneiric, as ubuntu uses lightdm now
[10:16] <jamil_1> yofel: I should change it to /usr/sbin/kdm ?
[10:17] <yofel> try sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[10:17] <yofel> and select kdm there as default
[10:17] <joeblog> What do I need to activate inside Muon to be able to download the restricted extras package, so that mp3 works?
[10:18] <yofel> joeblog: alt+f2, type muon, select the package manager. There you'll find the restricted extras
[10:18] <yofel> they'll show up as long as multiverse is enabled
[10:19] <joeblog> yofel: that is the thing, I have multiverse selected, but when I search, I get an empty result
[10:19] <yofel> joeblog: are you in the software center or the package manager?
[10:19] <joeblog> software centre
[10:20] <phiscibe> do you have a /var/lib/ureadahead/pack file jam
[10:20] <yofel> joeblog: K -> applications -> system -> package manager
[10:20]  * jamil_1 hugs yofel and phiscibe 
[10:20] <jamil_1> yes!
[10:20] <jamil_1> damn gdm
[10:20] <yofel> file a bug against gdm...
[10:21] <joeblog> yofel: I see it, thank you!
[10:21] <jamil_1> yofel: gdm uses compiz by default or not ?
[10:22] <jamil_1> yofel: most of the times compiz has issues with graphics card
[10:22] <yofel> no idea, last time I used it compiz was only started after login I believe
[10:23] <kerloi> Hi all. I just installed kubuntu on my system (I'm not used to this distro). A strange message appeared on my konsole : 'kbuildsycoca4 running' (This is not I who started this command) and then Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-olivier" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0
[10:24] <joeblog> Can someone please explain the basic idea here ... why is there a package manager and a software centre?
[10:24] <kerloi> Seems that I have the same error when I start a kde app with sudo ...
[10:24] <phiscibe> kerloi: do you use sudo often?
[10:25] <yofel> joeblog: pretty much taken from ubuntu, where there's the software center and synaptic
[10:25] <kerloi> phiscibe: not really but right now I tried to edit some config files (I fact I haven't modified anything)
[10:25] <kerloi> root config files
[10:26] <phiscibe> when you run program with a gui with sudo, it sometimes changes ownership of the files to ROOT, just using sudo modifies the permisions
[10:26] <phiscibe> you should use kdesudo to launch a gui app
[10:26] <joeblog> yofel: thank you. I will play with them more, but they look very similar.
[10:27] <phiscibe> but to fix your problem u need to set the owners bat to you and not root of something mabye the kbuidsyscoca4 not sure where, but and searchg for file owned by root in the wrong place
[10:27] <kerloi> phiscibe: Ok usually I use vim but it wasn't installed and the server was in trouble
[10:28] <kerloi> so I tried with kate
[10:28] <joeblog> Something that I would like to get right, is to be able to run kubuntu or another kde distro in RAM, much like Puppy Linux works. Can that be done?
[10:28] <yofel> joeblog: the SC shows "applications" - the package manager everything + a lot more details
[10:28] <phiscibe> you can use kate just use kdesuo kate not sudo kate, then it wont change the owner to root
[10:28] <phiscibe> gksudo for gnome
[10:29] <phiscibe> if u got enough ram
[10:29] <joeblog> yofel: that makes sense, like the software centre is an abstracted version of the package manager.
[10:29] <kerloi> phiscibe: well it seems to be the opposit. It expected to find a root owned file (uid 0) and it found a user owned file (uid 1000)
[10:29] <kerloi> in fact the owners are correct ...
[10:30] <kerloi> but fine I'll use kdesudo by now :)
[10:30] <joeblog> Is anyone here currently running their distro in RAM?
[10:31] <phiscibe> nano is usaly available, ive used puppy in ram is all
[10:31] <kerloi> And another question : what's the difference between 'vim-gtk' 'vim-athena' and 'vim-gnome' and more important, which one integrate the better kde environement ?
[10:32] <yofel> kerloi: vim-gtk will integrate fine
[10:32] <kerloi> ok thx
[10:33] <phiscibe> the borders and stuff use gtk, so it is ok not gnome under kde though it outta work
[10:33] <kerloi> joeblog: what do you wean ? You want to create a ramfs and install a distro in it ?
[10:33] <kerloi> or you just want to use a vm ?
[10:34] <phiscibe> puppy has small apps, abiword,  joes window manager or icwm ect, all of it, the whole thing is less than 90 mb, so it can all run in ram, no swap
[10:34] <joeblog> kerloi: I am not sure of the technicalities, but what I want is the entire OS in RAM, so everything loads instantaneously. The speed of Puppy Linux is addictive and I want to have a KDE experience with that speed.
[10:35] <phiscibe> he wants to do that with a bigger distro....why?  no reason other than he is a nerd like we are and just loves computers (thas why we put up with distro upgrades)
[10:35] <phiscibe> its a love affair
[10:35] <joeblog> phiscibe: amen :)
[10:36] <joeblog> why do I want to do it, because we can :)
[10:36]  * phiscibe pets his hard drive
[10:40] <TeslaTony> On my main menu, when I click "Leave," it doesn't show an option to shut down or restart. How can I fix this?
[10:40] <phiscibe> mkfs -q /dev/ram1 8192 would make a filesystem in ram
[10:40] <phiscibe> then u could mount it, but you have to boot it and load it somehow
[10:41] <phiscibe> not in tha t order
[10:41] <joeblog> phiscibe: the way Puppy does it is load from USB, then copy the necessary files into RAM on startup.
[10:42] <kerloi> not sure anything have been made to do that with ubuntu but you can still adda startup script which create the ramfs and copy binaries and config files to it
[10:42] <joeblog> phiscibe: I will Google this, but I asked it here because one of you have already done it :)
[10:43] <joeblog> I mean .. may have already done it.
[10:43] <kerloi> or you can create a huge ramdisk :)
[10:43] <woda> Muon sagt dass das Paketsystem wird von anderen Anwendung verwendet, wie werde ich es loss?
[10:47] <phiscibe> TeslaTony: I THINK, i say this someplace
[10:47] <phiscibe> ubuntu use lightdm now as a greeter
[10:47] <phiscibe> kubuntu does not , i thinkkk
[10:47] <yofel> kubuntu does not
[10:47] <phiscibe> mayve yours are crossed
[10:47] <phiscibe> making the leave option fouled
[10:48] <TeslaTony> phiscibe: I'm talking about the programs menu
[10:48] <TeslaTony> (windows calls it the start menu)
[10:48] <avihay> The KMenu!
[10:48] <TeslaTony> Thank you
[10:49] <TeslaTony> So if I'm using GDM, the KMenu is screwy?
[10:51] <TeslaTony> How do I check and switch back?
[10:52] <jamil_1> any one encountered this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/708443/
[10:52] <jamil_1> ?
[10:53] <phiscibe> uhh sorry im muddled
[10:53] <well_laid_lawn> jamil_1: that's alot of text - which bit?
[10:54] <jamil_1> well_laid_lawn: oops sorry wrong link
[10:54] <phiscibe> cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[10:54] <well_laid_lawn> heh
[10:54] <phiscibe> try that command TeslaTony
[10:54] <jamil_1> well_laid_lawn: here it is: http://imagebin.org/179169
[10:55] <jamil_1> lol
[10:55] <woda> „Das Paketsystem scheint zurzeit von einer anderen Anwendung verwendet zu werden. Sie müssen erst alle anderen paketverwaltungsprogramme schließen, bevor Sie Paket installieren oder entfernen können.“ was soll ich schließen?
[10:55] <jamil_1> I copied the link on one pc and pasted it in other one
[10:56] <phiscibe> what does it show you?
[10:56] <phiscibe> Tonio__:
[10:56] <phiscibe> TeslaTony:  i mean
[10:56] <TeslaTony> phiscibe: It spits back /usr/sbin/lightdm
[10:57] <phiscibe> TeslaTony: are you using kubuntu or ubuntu?
[10:57] <well_laid_lawn> jamil_1: try a reinstall of kde might be a good idea from that error
[10:57] <jamil_1> well_laid_lawn: please don't recommend this
[10:57] <TeslaTony> phiscibe: Kubuntu, but I did have lxde installed until recently
[10:57] <jamil_1> well_laid_lawn: I have spent so much time making it to work
[10:57] <well_laid_lawn> jamil_1: I dunno what else to say
[10:58] <jamil_1> well_laid_lawn: I can't start from zero again
[10:58] <well_laid_lawn> read the error
[10:58] <jamil_1> well_laid_lawn: it can't find the so....meaning I am either missing a package ....or need to link it properly ?
[10:58] <well_laid_lawn> jamil_1: you could try seeing if softlinks fix the issue
[10:59] <well_laid_lawn> for each of the missing .so.4 files there should be a file with a similar name
[11:00] <phiscibe> that is the problem TeslaTony but i am not sure the best way to fix it, Kubuntu does not use lightdm ubuntu does
[11:00] <phiscibe> can you use a package manger and see if kde-workspace id installed?
[11:01] <jamil_1> well_laid_lawn: the so file is exactly where it is complaining to be missing
[11:01] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[11:01] <well_laid_lawn> jamil_1: run file on it to make sure it is ok then
[11:02] <phiscibe> you might also be about to sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm, that or dpkg-reconfigure gdm and pick kdm as default login manager
[11:02] <joeblog> Thanks for the package help :) Dragon Player is working!
[11:03] <phiscibe> you might be able to at the login screen select kdm, but you need the kde components and not gnome and kde
[11:03] <jamil_1> well_laid_lawn: it says ELF 64-bit LSB shared object.....
[11:03] <well_laid_lawn> k
[11:03] <kerloi> Hi again. I'm still discovering this new linux :) and I was wondering how to change firefox language ?
[11:03] <kerloi> Is there a special thing to install ?
[11:04] <phiscibe> kubuntu right kerloi?
[11:04] <kerloi> yes
[11:04] <phiscibe> look under locales in system settings, that should change it in firefox
[11:04] <phiscibe> hopefully
[11:04] <kerloi> locales are already in my language but not firefox.
[11:05] <kerloi> I just found the addon feature with muon software center. I'm adding kde support but I haven't found anything about language ...
[11:06] <kerloi> nevermind, settings in kde aren't correct
[11:07] <kerloi> That's strange since I had to select my locales during installation ...
[11:08] <phiscibe> there is a systems language module kerloi but im not sure about muon yet
[11:08] <kerloi> Ok I understand, the parameters are set but language package aren't there
[11:09] <kerloi> I have to install I't. Should be down automatically at installation time when internet connection is up ...
[11:10] <mac4rfree> hi guys i have a problem with flash
[11:10] <mac4rfree> can somebody help mewtih it
[11:11] <kerloi> mac4rfree: tell your problem
[11:11] <mac4rfree> i download the flash from adobe site
[11:11] <mac4rfree> but evn after tat, i am not able to play flash
[11:11] <mac4rfree> should restart the system?
[11:12] <kerloi> mac4rfree: No but you'd better use the system packet manager.
[11:12] <kerloi> It avoid a lot of trouble. Everything that can be done using it should be done using it.
[11:12] <mac4rfree> which package to install.. am newbie to linux
[11:13] <kerloi> mac4rfree: I'm new to ubunut :p wait a sec I'll look for that ...
[11:13] <mac4rfree> should i install adobe flash plugin installer or downloader???
[11:14] <jamil_1> mac4rfree: the installer
[11:14] <mac4rfree> cool thanks guys
[11:14] <mac4rfree> one more doubt..
[11:15] <jamil_1> go ahead
[11:15] <mac4rfree> am goin to dual boot it with Win7
[11:15] <mac4rfree> i hav created a new partition for it
[11:15] <phiscibe> how many os are u gonna boot mac4rfree
[11:15] <mac4rfree> wen i install win7 ther, it shudn b any problem rite
[11:16] <mac4rfree> am goin to hav only 2 OS
[11:16] <kerloi> Alwas install windows first as it will overwrite the bootloader
[11:16] <phiscibe> best to install win first
[11:16] <kerloi> It is not a big deal but you will have to restore grub from the live cd after you installed windows
[11:16] <phiscibe> otherwise you will probably loose the bootloader, which is fixable
[11:16] <phiscibe> just be prepared for it
[11:16] <mac4rfree> cool kerloi
[11:16] <phiscibe> alos you shoud have 3 partitions
[11:16] <mac4rfree> yeah.. i knw tat.. b
[11:17] <phiscibe> 1 for llinxu 1 for win and 1 small one for swap
[11:17] <mac4rfree> but cud u explain me for do it
[11:17] <jamil_1> any want to give it a shot:  http://imagebin.org/179169
[11:17] <mac4rfree> yeah i have 3 partitions already
[11:18] <kerloi> mac4rfree: This is three simple command lines
[11:19] <kerloi> Hum does he have to chroot to the hd from the live cd to fix grub ?
[11:19] <mac4rfree> i installed it from usb... u mean tat only rite?
[11:19] <phiscibe> install linux first, it makes grub2 the bootloader...installing windows 2nd overwrites it with winbootloader..............install windows first it makes winbootloader, linux 2nd installs grub2 but keeps and entry for windows, all is well
[11:20] <kerloi> mac4rfree: ok should be fine but you will have to do it in two steps
[11:20] <phiscibe> but if you do the first option you have to fix the boot in the master boot record
[11:20] <kerloi> You will fix it from your live usb then boot on your real ubuntu and do the same
[11:20] <phiscibe> another dirt easy option is to make another boot cd or boot usb wth https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair#Getting_Boot-Repair
[11:20] <kerloi> mac4rfree: http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/grub-pc#reinstallerrestaurer_grub_2
[11:21] <phiscibe> boot reapir is a progran that can boot and fix grub2
[11:21] <kerloi> so it is easier, do that instead :)
[11:21] <joeblog> I have kubuntu running off my flash drive. When kubuntu starts up it beeps, then beeps again and then starts. Where do I go to turn the beeps off?
[11:22] <kerloi> with my version it is three command lines but you have to make it twice. First time from the live and second time from your ubuntu.
[11:22] <phiscibe> not sure, is it kubuntu beeping or you bios,
[11:22] <joeblog> definately kubuntu
[11:22] <jamil_1> any encountered this: symbol look error: /usr/lib/gio/modules/libgiobamf.so: undefined symbol: g_desktop_app_info_launch_handler_get_type
[11:23] <mac4rfree> thanks guys.. will try that
[11:23] <joeblog> only happens when showing the kubuntu initial selection menu
[11:23] <phiscibe> sound like a missing file
[11:23] <BluesKaj> joeblog, how long are the beeps?
[11:24] <phiscibe> ham
[11:25] <joeblog> BluesKaj: beep = less than a second, as long as it takes to say "beep" :) One beep as soon as the screen appears, the nkubuntu counts down 5s then a second beep to start loading kubuntu.
[11:25] <Girly-Girl> joeblog: note running an os on a flash drive killa the drive very quickly
[11:26] <Girly-Girl> edit: kills
[11:27] <phiscibe> jam
[11:27] <phiscibe> jamil_1:
[11:27] <joeblog> Girly-Girl: what are we talking here .. days weeks months? I was going to use this drive daily, most of the day.
[11:27] <BluesKaj> joeblog, , nothing serious then , that's actually a normal sequence ...dunno how to get rid of it ...maybe someone else has a clue
[11:27] <jamil_1> yes yes
[11:27] <jamil_1> ?
[11:28] <phiscibe> all the errors of yours i am looking point to some real bad version swewing
[11:28] <jamil_1> ?
[11:28] <phiscibe> that last error for bamf , ill go to priv
[11:31] <joeblog> Is it true that running Kubuntu from the usb drive will kill the usb drive?
[11:32] <Girly-Girl> joeblog: It can die very quickly as flash storage has a limited write times and os's unlike just pasting a file keep writing files for configuration logs etc constantly
[11:32] <BluesKaj> joeblog, all i know is writing to flash drives is limited vs a hdd
[11:35] <joeblog> Girly-Girl: I think I need to buy a cheap thumb drive to experiment with. Let it run day to day until it dies :) Do you know how long it could take to kill the drive if used daily?
[11:35] <joeblog> lol .. take 2.
[11:39] <phiscibe> if the os is just loading of the drive it shouldnt kill it too fast, especialy if u can load most it into ram, and can use a local swap resouce
[11:46] <BluesKaj> ramdisk?
[11:46] <Valerie> I have just updated kubuntu to 11.10.   Having problems with kmail.    Message received asking if I wanted to migrate email.  Clicked yes and it says I have to do it manually.  Have no idea how to do that.   Can anybody help me please.
[11:46] <gedO> Hello
[11:47] <gedO> I want to ask why NetBeans IDE are removed form Software Center in Kubuntu 11.10????
[11:50] <Valerie> Hello gedO
[11:51] <gedO> Valerie, Why NeatBeans IDE is removed after upgrade?
[11:51] <Valerie> It doesn't look as though anybody is here.  I will come back later.
[11:51] <Valerie> gedO   I am sorry I haven't a clue.
[11:52] <gedO> Valerie, Okey
[11:52] <Valerie> I am just trying to sort the emails.
[11:53] <Valerie> I don't even know what NeatBeans IDE is lol.
[11:53] <Valerie> Perhaps you can reinstall it.
[11:53] <BluesKaj> gedO, check muon
[11:54] <Valerie> k
[11:55] <tonymc> hi all
[11:55] <Valerie> Now I know.  ty.     My son has just gone over to Apple for music.
[11:55] <Valerie> Hello tonymc
[11:56] <tonymc> i've upgraded to 11.10 yesterday. all went "fine" except that i had a lot of PPA software and now i have a lot of packages whos version numbers exceed the oneiric ones, resulting in broken dependencies. i have downgraded everything through aptitude but now i have a lot of duplicate packages in the package list. how can i remove them?
[11:57] <tonymc> by the way this is the first time updater didn't crash on update and second time upgrade didn't actually break anything... nice to see kubuntu making progress!
[11:58] <Valerie> Oh dear I have just done that.    I thought it removed them automatically.
[11:58] <Valerie> Do you know about the kmail tonymc?
[11:58] <tonymc> Valerie what about it?
[11:59] <Valerie> I  got a message saying did I want to migrate to kmail.    I click yes and then the next message told me I had to do it manually.
[12:00] <Valerie> I don't know how and it looks like my address book etc. is not there and not connected to server.
[12:00] <tonymc> Valerie: well, it happened automatically for me. do you have a lot to migrate?
[12:00] <BluesKaj> tonymc, it's always good practice to comment ppas in the sources.list or remove them from /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[12:00] <Valerie> No
[12:01] <Valerie> You were lucky lols
[12:01] <tonymc> BluesKaj: i know that...now :-)
[12:01] <Valerie> O:
[12:01] <tonymc> Valerie: actually, i migrated earlier, i used the Kubuntu PPA's for 4.7.1
[12:02] <tonymc> Valerie: do you have complex filters, a lot of email accounts etc.? if no then it's probably easier to recreate them by hand (if you used IMAP, that is)
[12:03] <Valerie> Oh dear.   I have pop 3.     I would do it manualy if I knew how and where they were.
[12:03] <Valerie> As you can see I am not very knowledgable,  but only have one account.   I would like to get my saved messages etc. back
[12:04] <tonymc> Valerie: it's probably somewhere in ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail
[12:04] <BluesKaj> damn kmail hasn't worked proper;y since kde3
[12:04] <tonymc> BluesKaj: not so with me - worked flawlessly since i migrated to kmail from thunderbird, which was a couple months ago :-)
[12:05] <BluesKaj> I don't bother with it anymore ...gmail works well for our purposes
[12:06] <tonymc> BluesKaj: i like to have my email offline too :-)
[12:07] <Valerie> ty tonymc.     I will have a go and come back later.    Thanks for trying to help me.      bye.
[12:07] <tonymc> bye
[12:07] <BluesKaj> our ISP / mail provider put a;; our mail up on the a cotracted webmailserver so i saw no point in Kmail 's security options etc
[12:07] <BluesKaj> a;;=all
[12:09] <joeblog> BluesKaj: after 4 years on Gmail, I have gone offline again. It feels good to know that my emails are under my control again :)
[12:10] <tonymc> joeblog: they really aren't :-)
[12:10] <tonymc> joeblog: google is pretty slow when it comes to actually deleting stuff
[12:11] <BluesKaj> I practically freaked when I received an emai from Belll telling me they had moved our email servers over to Hotmail :) pop3 became pophm ,and smtp1 became smtphm :(
[12:11] <joeblog> tonymc: I know, but rather now than later :)
[12:12] <joeblog> How do I get rid of the New Activity button in the top right corner of the desktop?
[12:13] <BluesKaj> joeblog, good question , wish I knew :)
[12:13] <tonymc> joeblog: IIRC there's a setting in the workspace appearance
[12:25] <joeblog> tonymc: It seems that it can't be removed. Unfortunately, there are no options in workspace.
[12:26] <BluesKaj> joeblog, try workspace behaviour
[12:27] <joeblog> BluesKaj: I only have a thing called Workspace
[12:27] <xieyi> I have upgrade to 11.10. The kmail migrated my old kmail accounts and failed. I want to reconfigure the accounts from scratch. which configure files are needed to be deleted?
[12:28] <BluesKaj> joeblog,,which kubuntu ?
[12:28] <joeblog> 11.10
[12:28] <BluesKaj> in system settings?
[12:29] <xieyi> I can't find the software center in the system settings. Where can I find updates in 11.10?
[12:30] <joeblog> BluesKaj: Strange, Kickoff didn't find it. Will check inside there, thank you.
[12:32] <BluesKaj> xieyi, kmenu > computer > muon software center
[12:33] <joeblog> BluesKaj: no luck. There is no option inside there. Workspace in Kickoff = Last option inside Workspace behaviour.
[12:34] <BluesKaj> joeblog, kmenu>apps>settings>system settings
[12:35] <joeblog> BluesKaj: that is where I was, yes.
[12:36] <stuq> hey all - has anyone else had the problem that the upgrade to oneric is trying to install libmtp-common: which breaks  libmtp8 and then a huge string of unmet dependencies
[12:36] <BluesKaj> and no workspcae behavior..it's on the far right , a yelloe cashew type icon
[12:37] <BluesKaj> joeblog, ^
[12:37] <stuq> looks like libmtp-common wants libmtp9 instead
[12:37] <joeblog> BluesKaj: I have been reading some mailing list entries from this year and it seems that the KDE developers decided to make the "cashew" available at all times, regardless of how many times people complained. So, it seems it is here to stay.
[12:37] <joeblog> BluesKaj: yes, that is where I was. I went inside there, tested the various options, and I was not able to switch it off.
[12:38] <BluesKaj> oh so you did find it then ,...it just doesn't do what you want :P
[12:39] <joeblog> BluesKaj: yes, I found it, but the options available there do not switch the New Activity button thing off.
[12:40] <BluesKaj> yeah, another kde pita
[12:42] <joeblog> BluesKaj: so here is my workaround. They do allow you to drag it around the screen. So, all I did was drag that thing into the same corner as my current panel and now it is hidden behind it. Then I have locked my widgets, so now both the panel cashew and the new activity cashew are hidden from view.
[12:45]  * BluesKaj is getting annoyed with KDE for not fixing the resizing and toolbar font problems it has with root mode dolphin and kate ..totalloy stuck unadjustable and totally ignoring settings made as root in systemsettings
[12:46]  * BluesKaj wishes gnome graphics wasn't rememiscent of cartoons and comic books
[12:47] <joeblog> BluesKaj: if gnome looked more pro, would you swap? :)
[12:48] <BluesKaj> dunno joeblog , I'm getting pretty fed up ...it's tempting
[12:49] <joeblog> It seems that Gnome 2 and KDE 3 have suffered the same fate. As soon as they started reaching a place where people were really happy, the projects were canned in the name of the next big thing.
[12:50] <BluesKaj> ppl with regular 22" monitors don't notice the font probs in root mode because they can read the #9 default font , but I need a #13 to read it on my 42" TV which i use as amonitor from 10ft away
[12:50] <Girly-Girl> joeblog: KDE 3 had sane reasons for discontinuation
[12:56] <joeblog> Girly-Girl: my point is that some people are switching to XFCE, to get away from what Gnome and KDE have become. XFCE seems to be very far behind where KDE 3 was.
[12:57] <joeblog> Girly-Girl: in other words, were those reasons for discontinuation really valid?
[12:58] <Girly-Girl> joeblog: Yes kde3 was a really difficult to code for compared to kde4 and relied on some other projects that had long been already discontinued
[12:58] <Girly-Girl> joeblog: What do you dislike about KDE 4.7 ?
[13:00] <yoga> The new Muon Software Center in 11.10 only shows GUI apps, how do I look up or search all the apps like it used to be.
[13:02] <Girly-Girl> yoga: Use muon package manager instead of software center
[13:05] <Girly-Girl> joeblog: Even on the windows side ... if I wanted to make something for Win9x ... it will be much more difficult than coding for WinXp and higer
[13:05] <BluesKaj> I still use synaptic as areference for installed and available pkges ...muon's attempt at dumbing down package management for new users isn't my cuppa tea.
[13:05] <joeblog> Girly-Girl: I gues this is just a bit of hindsight frustration talking now :) 4 years to get the feet back on the ground seems a bit much, don't you think?
[13:06] <Girly-Girl> joeblog: when kde4 was still unstable , kde3 was still available
[13:07] <Girly-Girl> joeblog: but if you must go back ...http://www.trinitydesktop.org/
[13:09] <joeblog> Girly-Girl: available yes, but unmaintained. XP analogy would be, we are working on something new in the background, but we will still make sure that XP is fixed/patched etc.
[13:10] <Girly-Girl> joeblog: Is this frustration from the inability to remove a simple cashew icon? That would be silly as it adds usabilty for new users and there is nothing wrong with it .... besides if you try gnome-shell and unity have much less customisation
[13:11] <Girly-Girl> joeblog: Xp is still supported yes as it is (underneath) identical to vista and 7 (many people don't know that)... but is windows me supported no
[13:11] <Girly-Girl> joeblog: fyi trinity is maintained
[13:13] <BluesKaj> Girly-Girl, I think kde is frozen til. they settle integration probs with gnome3 , therrfore ppl like me have to suffer with settings that are unconfigurable in 4.7.2. thay were fine 4.7.0
[13:14] <Girly-Girl> BluesKaj: Common GTK3 is so new and actually not part of kde
[13:14]  * BluesKaj blames gnome
[13:15] <BluesKaj> no kidding but it still has to run in kde
[13:15] <joeblog> The cashew icon is an annoyance, but at least I saw today that I can hide it behind the panel.
[13:15] <Girly-Girl> joeblog: Why is it an anoyance?
[13:16] <Girly-Girl> joeblog: It stays on the desktop in a corner and doesn't overlap windows ... not an anoyance in anyway ....
[13:17] <BluesKaj> ok, stuff to do ...bbl
[13:17] <joeblog> Girly-Girl: you asked if the frustration was re the cashew, so I said that it is more of an annoyance that the devs refuse to give an option to hide a behaviour that is undesired. My workaround to hide it behind the panel is ok for me. Not ideal, but it works.
[13:18]  * Girly-Girl lols at the cashew bashing
[13:18] <tonymc> joeblog: there's a plasmoid that hides cashew
[13:18] <Girly-Girl> joeblog: But really what does the cahew do to you, its so small if set in a corner
[13:19] <joeblog> Girly-Girl: I know it seems funny, but when I have a beautiful wallpaper, and this ruddy thing that is on top of the wallpaper, it gets a bit much :)
[13:21] <Espirito> anyone here who uses Qt is having problems in applications that compile on 10/11? Because mine are all distorted.
[13:22] <joeblog> tonymc: 28 000 posts just referencing plasmoid to hide cashew. Clearly I am not alone :) Someone even got mad enough to make a plasmoid to fix the problem :)
[13:22] <tonymc> i have no problem with cashew but to each his own :-)
[13:23] <tonymc> Espirito: 10/11 meaning what?
[13:23] <Girly-Girl> joeblog: How does it hide your wallpaper if its in a corner, you can move it to an edge like this (http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/8119/snapshot9f.png) or anywhere where it is not an obstruction
[13:24] <Girly-Girl> joeblog: Of course unless you are running kde on a mobile phone like screen
 my applications compiled in 11.10 are distorted, show all the widgets Embassies and distorted
[13:25] <tonymc> Espirito: i didn't compile anything on 11.10, but on 11.04 seemed all fine and dandy. what version of Qt are you compiling against?
[13:25] <tonymc> joeblog: i guess the cashew thing is the same i have with GTK file dialogs - they just make me want to repeatedly crush the hammer on the head of whoever came up with this abomination - but others seem fine with it :-)
[13:26] <Girly-Girl> The cashew was actually the first function to be coded for plasma in the kde 4.0 pre-alphas. Doubt they will want to remove it
[13:26] <joeblog> tonymc: lol, yes. That is as entirely different matter. What da hell were they thinking :)
 in 4.11 everything was ok for me too, but 11.10 is giving this strange problem, I've had other people reporting the same problem. I'm using Qt 4.7.4
[13:28] <joeblog> Girly-Girl: it is one time where throwing the baby out with the bathwater is a GOOD thing :)
[13:28] <tonymc> Espirito: as i said, i didn't try compiling anything on 11.10. i'll try now
[13:28] <Espirito> ok
[13:28] <Girly-Girl> joeblog: matter of opinion ... I find no reason to remove it
[13:29] <Girly-Girl> Again assuming you are not running kde on a tiny mobile phone screen
[13:29] <tonymc> Espirito: i just compiled a template - looks fine
[13:30]  * tonymc is knee deep in the debug
[13:30] <Espirito> for information only: but now, I installed xorg-dev, recompile everything and everything went well, apparently these libs are not coming by default.
[13:30] <Girly-Girl> joeblog: Might be better to do cashew bashing in #kubuntu-offtopic than here really
[13:31] <joeblog> Girly-Girl: Good point. Case closed. Will look for the plasmoid :)
[13:36]  * Girly-Girl imagines joeblog boiling with fury everytime he sees a kde cashew  as he thinks "What's that parasite doing on my desktop!"
[14:10] <merlin1991> kmail crashes on startup for me with failed to load ressources
[14:11] <gedO> Guys, how to install netbeans to new kubuntu?
[14:12] <GirlyGirl> merlin1991: is akondani running?
[14:12] <merlin1991> yes
[14:13] <gedO> Guys!
[14:13] <GirlyGirl> gedO: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Netbeans
[14:14] <GirlyGirl> merlin1991: What do you see in System Settings > Personal Information
[14:14] <GirlyGirl> merlin1991: also is this a natty upgrade
[14:14] <merlin1991> it's an upgrade
[14:14] <GirlyGirl> merlin1991: What do you see in System Settings > Personal Information
[14:16] <merlin1991> contacts (4 times), notes and calender with an error about no file selected
[14:17] <gedO> GirlyGirl, Nope, that isn't helpfull at all. I had netbeans, but after upgrade it is gone, and from package manager I can't install it
[14:17] <GirlyGirl> merlin1991: see https://wiki.kubuntu.org/OneiricOcelot/Final/Kubuntu/Kmail2
[14:19] <merlin1991> hm that's for migrating kmail, but I never started it before the upgrade
[14:22] <GirlyGirl> merlin1991: if you want to reset kde to defaults you can open konsole and type "rm -rf .kde"  but note this will make you lose all kde setings ... docs stc stay
[14:22] <produnis> Hi folks, I am using a fresh install of Kubuntu11.10 64bit, and I have problems with the programm "dvbcut". If I try to open a *.TS-file (which is produced by my TV-Reciever), it gives me the error:
[14:22] <produnis> kfilemodule(16178): couldn't create slave: "Unable to create io-slave:
[14:22] <produnis> klauncher said: Unknown Protokoll „“.
[14:22] <produnis> "
[14:22] <kaddi> if my distribution reaches end of life, will it automatically upgrade to the next or will it stop updating?
[14:23] <produnis> kaddi: stops updating
[14:23] <jamil_1> any one encountered this: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/gio/modules/libgiobamf.so: undefined symbol: g_desktop_app_info_launch_handler_get_typ
[14:23] <jamil_1> ?
[14:23] <kaddi> k, ty.. got a friend claiming his 10.04 magically upgraded itself and i'm trying to figure out what happened
[14:23] <produnis> kaddi: but it asks: "There is a new version, would you like to update (y/n)"
[14:23] <kaddi> i thought EOL might have something to do with it
[14:24] <kaddi> yeh, he said he hasn't seen any kind of prompts
[14:24] <produnis> kaddi: cannot imagine.... ;)
[14:24] <kaddi> me neither, really.. that's the only thing that came to my mind as a possible explanation.. so i thought i'd ask
[14:26] <altin> hello can anyone help me, why my applications open like this http://i.imgur.com/NRuQG.png?1262
[14:26] <altin> and I also am having problems with my camera (cheese shows the image all inverted)
[14:27] <GirlyGirl> altin: GTK3 apps in Ubuntu 11.10 do not look nice on kde
[14:27] <GirlyGirl> altin: There is no function for KDE to theme gtk3 applications yet as it is very new
[14:28] <kaddi> are there any serious bugs in 11.10? Or is an upgrade relatively safe?
[14:28] <altin> ahaah
[14:28] <GirlyGirl> altin: You can use qt alternatives
[14:28] <altin> this hapened right after I upgraded
[14:28] <altin> GirlyGirl: kate in this case !
[14:29] <GirlyGirl> altin: or kwrite
[14:29] <altin> ok good ! and what about the camera problem do you have any idea ?
[14:29] <altin> GirlyGirl:
[14:30] <GirlyGirl> altin: cheese is again gtk ... try and see in kopete settings wheter the camera is proper?
[14:30] <altin> oh this is bad...
[14:30] <altin> they have to make something for gtk3
[14:31] <altin> GirlyGirl: I tried kopete
[14:31] <altin> the image is the same
[14:31] <GirlyGirl> altin: What camera is it?
[14:32] <altin> webcam..
[14:32] <altin> It worked before upgrade :/
[14:33] <altin> GirlyGirl: http://i.imgur.com/74vEX.png
[14:33] <GirlyGirl> altin: http://radu.cotescu.com/flipped-images-ubuntu-webcam/ try this
[14:35] <altin> damn now no image... GirlyGirl
[14:35] <altin> its black
[14:36] <altin> kopete shows the same thing as before
[14:37] <altin> cheese shows nothing
[14:38] <altin> can it be because im on 64bit GirlyGirl ?
[14:38] <GirlyGirl> altin: Try a restart and see
[14:38] <altin> hmm.. ok
[14:42] <altin> GirlyGirl: same !
[14:42] <GirlyGirl> altin: You can revert back with ppa-purge
[14:42] <GirlyGirl> !ppa
[14:42] <GirlyGirl> !ppa-purge
[14:47] <lethu> hello, my system keeps warning me nepomuk isn't running after I have disabled it, how can I stop it from warning me please?
[14:50] <jamil_1> what is purpose of muroard ? it is eating 15% of my cpu time and apparently doing nothing
[14:50] <GirlyGirl> lethu: Right click on system tray, set the notifier to hide it
[14:50] <jamil_1> google said it is related to sound but I dont have sound either
[14:52] <lethu> GirlyGirl, right click on which element of the sys tray?
[14:54] <lethu> GirlyGirl, right click on which element of the sys tray?
[14:54] <GirlyGirl> lethu: What ever is notifying you
[14:55] <GirlyGirl> lethu: System Settings > Applications and system Notifications > Event Source > Desktop search   disable the notification
[14:57] <lethu> GirlyGirl, gotcha, I think I got it, need to reboot for testing, thanks
[14:58] <GirlyGirl> lethu: Your'e welcome
[14:58] <JaySpar> is there anyone that could help configure Jack and  Internet DJ on here ?
[15:02] <JaySpar> Good Morning  to the new arrivals
[15:03] <mfraz74> Morning?
[15:03] <JaySpar> kind of depends on where you live doesn't i t :)
[15:04] <mfraz74> Yes, it is just after 4pm here
[15:04] <JaySpar> does anyone have internet DJ app working on the new  release yet ?
[15:05] <metrompje> hello, I just installed Kubuntu 11.10 on a lenovo t410, installed skype as well but the integrated webcam isn't seen. What are the steps to make the webcam work? Thanks
[15:06] <mfraz74> metrompje: does it work in other programs?
[15:07] <metrompje> not tried yet - I am installing cheese to check it - is there a way to check if the webcam is "alive"
[15:07] <mfraz74> metrompje: you could also try kopete which should be installed already
[15:08] <metrompje> mfraz74 : i'll check
[15:10] <JaySpar> my wecam is seen by other apps but Not Kopete ...
[15:11] <jamil_1> any body seen this error: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/gio/modules/libgiobamf.so: undefined symbol: g_desktop_app_info_launch_handler_get_type
[15:11] <B08VV3Av3R> Hi there I was wondering..... If anyone had the file /usr/lib/kde4/kcm_kslashthemes.so    I kinda umm woops
[15:11] <jamil_1> ?
[15:11] <B08VV3Av3R> 64bit
[15:12] <B08VV3Av3R> 11.10 \
[15:12] <Belial> Having a small issue with kdewallet, Recently upgraded 11.04-11.10, Network Manager isnt showing any of my saved WLAN profile or vpnc sessions. Looking into the kwallet tool, the maps are all still there with the correct details. Any pointers?
[15:13] <metrompje> mfraz74: kopete can't see any webcam
[15:15] <mfraz74> metrompje: I'm not sure what to do then
[15:17] <jamil_1> metrompje: usb webcam ?
[15:17] <metrompje> jamil_1 : integrated webcam, usb or not I can't say
[15:18] <jamil_1> metrompje: laptop ?
[15:18] <metrompje> jamil_1 : yes laptop lenovo thinkpad T410
[15:19] <metrompje> jamil_1 : kubuntu 11.10, webcam not seen neither by skype nor kopete
[15:19] <jamil_1> metrompje: lsmod | grep  uvc
[15:19] <jamil_1> metrompje: type this in terminal
[15:20] <metrompje> jamil_1 : i ll try it
[15:21] <metrompje> jamil_1 : what's that for?
[15:22] <jamil_1> metrompje: lsmod will list the drivers and grep will search for anything related to uvc
[15:22] <jamil_1> uvc is video over usb
[15:23] <jamil_1> metrompje: not sure I know the solution but we may get closer
[15:25] <metrompje> jamil_1 : i tried lsusb : no webcam device identified
[15:25] <metrompje> jamil_1 : i tried lsmod | grep  uvc : nothing happened
[15:26] <BarkingFish> are IRC servers sometimes set up to redirect people if they're full?  I've tried twice today to get on via my closest secure IRC server in London (Holmes) but it keeps refusing me. The only one I can get onto is Calvino
[15:26] <jamil_1> metrompje: then I gues your video driver isn't loaded
[15:26] <BarkingFish> crud, wrong channel, sorry
[15:26] <jamil_1> metrompje: srry camera driver
[15:27] <metrompje> jamil_1 : and where can I find it and how to load it?
[15:28] <jamil_1> metrompje: what does lsusb return ?
[15:28] <BluesKaj> BarkingFish, I just ran the find best server test on sysnaptic and it stalled ..there weren't any :)
[15:29] <yoga> Can I install Ubuntu 11.10 as well, how do I switch between Ubuntu and Kubuntu?
[15:29] <metrompje> jamil_1 : Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
[15:29] <metrompje> Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
[15:29] <metrompje> Bus 001 Device 002: ID 8087:0020 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub
[15:29] <metrompje> Bus 002 Device 002: ID 8087:0020 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub
[15:29] <metrompje> Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0a5c:217f Broadcom Corp. Bluetooth Controller
[15:29] <FloodBotK2> metrompje: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[15:29] <FloodBotK1> metrompje: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[15:29] <metrompje> Bus 002 Device 004: ID 0f62:1001 Acrox Technologies Co., Ltd Targus Mini Trackball Optical Mouse
[15:30] <jamil_1> metrompje: thats it ?
[15:30] <GirlyGirl> jamil_1: Floodbot banned him
[15:30] <GirlyGirl> jamil_1: He should use paste.ubuntu.com or #flood
[15:30] <jamil_1> metrompje: please paste some where on pastebin
[15:30] <jamil_1> GirlyGirl: oka
[15:31] <BarkingFish> BluesKaj: I'm using the main archive now, not the regional or national ones, and I seem to be getting on OK now.
[15:31] <BarkingFish> I'm still weary of upgrading "over the air" so to speak
[15:31] <mfraz74> GirlyGirl: Did I read it correctly that you produced a banner for Kubuntu 11.10?
[15:32] <GirlyGirl> mfraz74: Where??
[15:32] <mfraz74> GirlyGirl: I'm not sure, think it might've been here in IRC
[15:32] <BluesKaj> BarkingFish, mainserver ?
[15:33] <GirlyGirl> mfraz74: I'm not the author of the one being used on kubuntu.org ... I thinks shadeslayer is
[15:33] <mfraz74> GirlyGirl: No, I thought you did your own one
[15:33] <GirlyGirl> mfraz74: I did make one but it was too big to fit on the site
[15:33] <BarkingFish> BluesKaj: I'm just getting all of my downloads now from archive.ubuntu.org, not the gb version
[15:34] <BarkingFish> The main archive seems to be right up to date
[15:34] <BluesKaj> cool BarkingFish , I'll check that out ..haven't had an update here for 2 days
[15:35] <mfraz74> GirlyGirl: Oh. I was thinking that we should have our own countdown image for 12.04 instead of the standard Ubuntu one
[15:35] <GirlyGirl> mfraz74: This was what I made http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/4051/bannerdbb.png
[15:35] <mfraz74> GirlyGirl: that's the one :)
[15:37] <winut> does kmail import from newer versions of evolution (3) now? thanks
[15:39] <jamil_1> bbiab
[15:40] <GirlyGirl> winut: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/OneiricOcelot/Final/Kubuntu/Kmail
[15:45] <zayed> After upgrade to 11.10, akergator does not display count of unread articles!
[15:46] <zayed> Is it a bug?
[15:46] <zayed> i.e. in system tray
[15:46] <winut> GirlyGirl: Thanks mate
[15:47] <Bladegash> I'm maybe not the only one, so is there a FAQ somewhere when there's no sound? Installed clean kubuntu just now, and I get no sound anywhere, even sound tests from the system settings
[15:47] <GirlyGirl> winut: sorry https://wiki.kubuntu.org/OneiricOcelot/Final/Kubuntu/Kmail2
[15:47] <jamil_1> Bladegash: try sudo alsa force-reload in terminal
[15:47] <tito_> does kubuntu have a software center like ubuntu?
[15:48] <winut> GirlyGirl: Nice one
[15:48] <mfraz74> is it possible to use a tiny URL instead?
[15:48] <GirlyGirl> tito_: yes muon center
[15:48] <GirlyGirl> mfraz74: of course
[15:48] <mfraz74> but you can't use it to buy apps
[15:49] <tito_> GirlyGirl: are the apps same in muon center? or do I get less apps? :(
[15:49] <GirlyGirl> tito_: samw apps
[15:49] <GirlyGirl> edit: same
[15:49] <Bladegash> jamil_1: still nothing, amarok, flash, system settings sound test plays back nothing, volumes are at 100%
[15:50] <Bladegash> Sound worked for me in kubuntu 10.10, but I was running the 32bit version, now installed 11.10 64bit and no sound, some other smaller bugs too
[15:50] <jamil_1> Bladegash: what is the output of lspci
[15:50] <jamil_1> Bladegash: intel HD card ?
[15:50] <Bladegash> jamil_1: yes, intel HD
[15:51] <Bladegash> jamil_1: well, lots of entries, most of them intel, there's also a nvidia and jmicron one
[15:51] <Bladegash> nvidia would most likely refer to my gfx card hdmi output
[15:51] <tito_> GirlyGirl: I'll be switching to oneiric tomorrow. I'm confused whether I'll go for ubuntu or kubuntu. Never used Kubuntu before. Will I have problems? Or do I get advantages? [I'm totally new]
[15:51] <mfraz74> Bladegash: is the output set correctly?
[15:52] <Bladegash> mfraz74: what do you mean?
[15:52] <GirlyGirl> tito_: I doubt you will have problems give it a shot
[15:52] <jamil_1> Bladegash: ok, in the /etc/group entries against audio contain you current user ?
[15:53] <mfraz74> Bladegash: in system settings under Multimedia > Phonon what is the top output device?
[15:53] <tito_> GirlyGirl: thanx for the support :)
[15:53] <GirlyGirl> tito_: Ubuntu and Kubuntu are the same things ... same project ... just have different interfaces
[15:53] <Bladegash> audio:x:29:pulse
[15:53] <Bladegash> my name is not pulse, but... does this matter?
[15:54] <tito_> GirlyGirl: but umm, will I be able to run GNOME apps in KDE? I'm afraid as KDE is totally new to me and I've never tried Kubuntu.
[15:54] <Bladegash> mfraz74: top output device says Internal Audio Analog Stereo
[15:54] <GirlyGirl> tito_: yes you will
[15:54] <jamil_1> Bladegash: change it to audio:x:29:pulse,yourusername
[15:54] <GirlyGirl> tito_: But I doubt you would want to do that as KDE has some very nice apps too
[15:55] <GirlyGirl> tito_: You can always experiment with the livecd and have both running concurently
[15:55] <Bladegash> jamil_1: done, do I need to restart something?
[15:55] <tito_> GirlyGirl: Oh, as I said, I have absolutely no idea bout KDE :P
[15:55] <jamil_1> Bladegash: try sudo alsa force-reload in terminal
[15:55] <tito_> GirlyGirl: I think I'll configure a dual boot to ubuntu as well :)
[15:55] <GirlyGirl> tito_: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop   ... then at login you chose session type
[15:55] <GirlyGirl> tito_: No don't do that
[15:56] <tito_> GirlyGirl: kubuntu-desktop will make me have KDE?
[15:56] <Bladegash> jamil_1: still nothing, I'm afraid...
[15:56] <GirlyGirl> tito_: Say you run ubuntu and do "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop", you can chose between the two at logon ... under session type
[15:56] <GirlyGirl> tito_: yes
[15:57] <jamil_1> Bladegash: and you are sure your backend is set ?
[15:57] <tito_> GirlyGirl: I love Linux! And I love your ideas too! :D :D
[15:57] <jamil_1> Bladegash: in systemsetting => multimedia => Phono => backend
[15:57] <jamil_1> s/Phon/Phonon
[15:57] <Bladegash> jamil_1: system settings - multimedia - phono - backend, has an entry for gstreamer
[15:58] <Bladegash> phonon*
[15:59] <jamil_1> Bladegash: and Audio Hardware Setup  contains...?
[16:00] <Bladegash> jamil_1: GF106 High Definition Audio Controller, and Internal Audio
[16:00] <Bladegash> I'm guessing the first one is the nvidia hdmi output
[16:00] <jamil_1> Bladegash: ur Soundcard entry is ..?
[16:01] <jamil_1> Bladegash: internal Audio ?
[16:01] <Bladegash> jamil_1: you mean under audio hardware setup -> device configuration? It has Playback, and a list of choices, I've tried analog output, digital output, none will get any sound
[16:03] <jamil_1> Bladegash: why not post a screen shot of the Audio Hardware Setup tab ?
[16:03] <jamil_1> Bladegash: have you tried analog Stereo Duplex ?
[16:04] <Bladegash> Yes, no sound from there either
[16:05] <Bladegash> ok, made a screenshot
[16:05] <Bladegash> don't know if sending files works though
[16:06] <jamil_1> Bladegash: paste it somewhere online
[16:06] <Bladegash> jamil_1: ok, is there an easy and quick site for that?
[16:06] <elijah1> Hi guys,
[16:06] <elijah1> How do I show my desktop folder contents on my visual desktop?
[16:08] <jamil_1> how do you paste online from commandline ?
[16:08] <jamil_1> anyone ?
[16:08] <elijah1> jamil_1:  Do you mean paste into command line?
[16:09] <jamil_1> elijah1: to pastebin service
[16:09] <elijah1> you mean copy your command line content to pastebin?
[16:09] <livio> ciao a tutti
[16:09] <jamil_1> elijah1: nah, something like reverse of wget
[16:10] <livio> !list
[16:10] <elijah1> jamil_1: Gotcha, so you mean like a command that shoves your output straight to pastebin?
[16:11] <jamil_1> elijah1: yup
[16:12] <elijah1> i dunno but that would be pretty handy
[16:14] <jamil_1> elijah1: yup but unfortunately I dont remember
[16:19] <Bladegash> ok so, I'm going to see if I can get sound working on my secondary sound output (tv hdmi), but so far nothing from my speakers :(   will need to restart x to see if I can get my tv working, thanks for your help guys
[16:19] <Bladegash> maybe running 64bit is more buggy than 32
[16:21] <jamil_1> np
[16:25] <jamil_1> HELP!: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/gio/modules/libgiobamf.so: undefined symbol: g_desktop_app_info_launch_handler_get_type
[16:28] <jamil_1> and Opera comes to my rescue!
[16:28] <sharpshooter> Haii all !! I  install kubuntu desktop in my ubuntu 11.10 box ...and I need to uninstall the kubuntu desktop
[16:29] <jamil_1> srry this channel doesn't support 'abandoners'
[16:30] <jamil_1> :)
[16:30] <Graf_Westerholt> *g* jamil_1
[16:30] <seemawn> hi
[16:31] <GirlyGirl> sharpshooter: http://paste.ubuntu.com/708650/  use this command
[16:31] <seemawn> i would like to reinstall kubuntu and have an encrypted homedir from a prvious installation
[16:31] <seemawn> how can I reuse it?
[16:31] <GirlyGirl> sharpshooter: but do share what you dislike about kde
[16:32] <sharpshooter> GirlyGirl,  I love Kde , I am getting alot of gubs
[16:32] <sharpshooter> bugs
[16:32] <GirlyGirl> sharpshooter: please report them then ... what bug specifically
[16:32] <GirlyGirl> !bugs
[16:33] <sharpshooter> ok
[16:33] <jamil_1> my network manager is not working ppl!
[16:33] <GirlyGirl> sharpshooter: What bug in particular ... if its kmail bear with it as it is new
[16:36]  * GirlyGirl thinks KDE should add a report a "gub" feature
[16:49] <chb> evening - got a quick question - is it possible to set the mirrors used by the installer?
[16:51] <BluesKaj> !repositories | chb
[16:52] <chb> yes, that's post install
[16:52] <chb> but it always tries to download some packages while installing - even If I don't have a connection
[16:53] <BluesKaj> what does ?
[16:54] <chb> the installer asks me if it wants to download some packages, if I say yes it takes ages if I say no it still tries to download them
[16:56] <chb> http://www.howtoforge.com/images/the_perfect_desktop_kubuntu_10.10/4.jpg <- this screen
[16:57] <chb> if I disable updates it still tries to download them :/
[16:59] <BluesKaj> chb, is the notifiuer bugging you to update , if so then open muon softwater center >settings>auo-updates, uncheck "check for Updates"
[17:00] <chb> no it's a fresh install
[17:00] <BluesKaj> chb, that's for package updates
[17:01] <chb> yes, the problem is that ubiquity always tries to download updates while installing
[17:03] <elijah1> If I am upgrading computers, new and different hardware, is it okay to just clone my disk over to the new computer or should I just do a new install?
[17:04] <BluesKaj> ok ,well that's a differnt prob entirely...dunno how to change that because I usually use the alternate install , which gives the option not to download updates while installing
[17:04] <BluesKaj> chb,^
[17:04] <chb> ah ok then I'm going to try that
[17:05] <chb> lawl - just saw that this is a bug that has been reported 4 years ago ;-)
[17:05] <chb> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/744987
[17:05] <BluesKaj> elijah1, is the disk burned from kubuntu ISO
[17:06] <elijah1> BluesKaj: no, I was going to buy a new HP laptop and dd over the data to the new drive.
[17:06] <elijah1> BluesKaj: I know on windows that would never work because of drivers
[17:07] <elijah1> BluesKaj: I wasn't sure if Kubuntu would break also
[17:07] <BluesKaj> elijah1,  use a standard kunbuntu iso burned disk for you computers
[17:07] <BluesKaj> err kubuntu
[17:07] <BluesKaj> cloning other pcs drivers is not recommended
[17:08] <elijah1> BluesKaj: So you are saying to do a fresh install?
[17:09] <BluesKaj> elijah1, yes , absolutely , if I understand your intention
[17:09] <elijah1> BluesKaj: K, I was hoping not to have to reconfigure everything
[17:09] <elijah1> BluesKaj: But will if I need too!
[17:10] <BluesKaj> elijah1, differnt hardware , differnt drivers config files etc etc
[17:20] <yofel> BluesKaj, elijah1: actually, that should work - unless you use any drivers from jockey
[17:20] <yofel> I sometimes switch HDD's between PC's if I've got a hardware failure somewhere and need the data
[17:20] <yofel> works fine usually
[17:27] <mweichert> hello!
[17:27] <mweichert> I'm new to the world of kubuntu - an experienced linux sysadmin though.
[17:27] <mweichert> I've installed kubuntu 10.10 on a macbook pro 8.1
[17:28] <mweichert> all desktop effects are disabled, and won't enable - I get "desktop effects could not be activated"
[17:29] <mweichert> is there an error log of some kind that will allow me to determine why?
[17:29] <mweichert> also too, do I have to install a proprietory driver for intel graphics card?
[17:30] <BluesKaj> yofel, I still think a clone is risky
[17:31] <yofel> if he dd's the whole drive including the partition table I don't see what would break
[17:31] <yofel> that's assuming the new drive is >= the  old one
[17:35] <jamil_1> I have menu entries in my Ksystemlog like: Warning: PolicyKit call failed: Launch helper exited with unknown return code 127
[17:35] <phiscibe> jamil_1: u bug hound you still at it?
[17:35] <jamil_1> phiscibe: yup
[17:36] <jamil_1> phiscibe: srry I had to run earlier
[17:36] <phiscibe> did you happen to get  update and upgrade and dist-upgrade to go
[17:36] <phiscibe> eh had to sleep any wah
[17:36] <phiscibe> way
[17:36] <jamil_1> phiscibe: yes but apparently there was nothing to upgrade/update
[17:37] <phiscibe> i cant even get the dist upgrade to start, might be a good thing, i think some ppa sources i used im gonna have to roll back
[17:37] <jamil_1> still f**d up
[17:37] <phiscibe> what about dpkg-reconfigure -a
[17:37] <jamil_1> and tired
[17:38] <phiscibe> jamil_1:    jamil_1   jamil_1
[17:38] <phiscibe> its time to think about a clean instal
[17:39] <phiscibe> u could up and sailing by now, and how much futher do u have to go?
[17:39] <jamil_1> dpkg asked about different options and I  left mostly the default ones.
[17:39] <jamil_1> but no apparent difference
[17:39] <phiscibe> if you have the command line verson of aptidue or can install it is MUCH more aggresive that apt-get and fixing crap
[17:41] <jamil_1> installing aptitude ....
[17:42] <jamil_1> I dont want to go for clean slate because my HD is almost full and I dont want to filter my data to decide what to keep and what not
[17:42] <jamil_1> Its around 500 gig
[17:43] <phiscibe> i feel for u
[17:43] <phiscibe> wtf is taking up 500 gigs
[17:43] <phiscibe> if i may ask which i did
[17:44] <jamil_1> hmmm....I havent cleaned my HD in last 2 yrs
[17:45] <phiscibe> once they get the new oneconf ironed out one will be able to load your system into the cloud before and upgrade into a vm for safe keeping
[17:45] <jamil_1> that'd be great
[17:46] <phiscibe> i think the back system has a new back end, so maybe it is why u have two
[17:47] <phiscibe> ack wrong box
[17:48] <jamil_1> yeah I was wondering WTH
[17:48] <jamil_1> any way I am off
[17:49] <Bladegash> I don't want to disparage you guys, you've been very helpful, but... my impression so far is that this is the most buggy kubuntu release to date. No sound, can't activate my second display, lots of random errors (just right clicking on the clock brought up a kde error)... all done on a clean install, no update. Maybe I'll try the 32bit version still, hopefully that will solve some issues...
[17:50] <GirlyGirl> Bladegash: Fresh install or upgrade?
[17:52] <nascentmind> Hi. When I started kmail in kubuntu 11.10 I get kmail2 migration and it suddenly failed. How do I restart migration?
[17:54] <claydoh> nascentmind:  see the topic
[17:54] <claydoh> oops the topic has cut the url short
[17:54] <claydoh> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/OneiricOcelot/Final/Kubuntu/Kmail2
[17:55] <Chief_Ug> Any chance the 32bit version is more stable and reliable? Running the 64bit now for the first time and it's awful
[17:57] <BluesKaj> Chief_Ug, hmm..define awful
[17:58] <claydoh> Chief_Ug: there really won't be  difference between 32/64 bit
[17:58] <Bladegash> I've got no sound, no second display, random kde errors...
[17:59] <Bladegash> I ran 10.10 32bit with no problems
[17:59] <BluesKaj> Bladegash, have you setup you audio devices in phonon and configured alsamixer ctls etc
[18:00] <Bladegash> BluesKaj: yes, I had helpful advice about it from this channel, unfortunately none of that helped
[18:00] <GirlyGirl> claydoh: Maybe a big warning in the OS itself would have been better, this must be the 100th such complaint in this channel
[18:01] <claydoh> how do you do that?
[18:01] <claydoh> it kinda cropped up late in the game
[18:01] <fajar> aaaaaaaaaaaaa
[18:02] <nascentmind> claydoh, all my folders are missing in kmail2.
[18:03] <Bladegash> And to try to solve my dual display issues, I want to try to install the nvidia driver from their website, how can I shut down X for good and install it? It won't run while X is running
[18:03] <fajar> hi all
[18:03] <Bladegash> ctrl alt backspace works no more
[18:03] <jamil_1> Bladegash: you can start in the recovery console
[18:03] <BluesKaj> Bladegash, so the audio advice wasn't helpful then , can you tell me what you've done so far.
[18:04] <fajar> u can try nvidia xconfig in terminal
[18:04] <Bladegash> BluesKaj: I've tried a bit of the audio configuration to see if a different output would do something, but.... nothing, and I can't even see if my TV audio output might work because I haven't been able to get my nvidia 2nd display output to work
[18:05] <Bladegash> nvidia driver (stock), the one that came with the default install, sees the 2nd output, but it's disabled, and I can't enable it
[18:05] <Bladegash> that's why I'm trying to install the driver from nvidia to see if that might fix it
[18:07] <BluesKaj> Bladegash, the default driver is the nouveau , is that what you're using for graphics? or have you installed the recommended driver in jockey
[18:08] <Bladegash> I haven't touched any gfx drivers yet, it's just the one that came in the default vanilla install, I did check "use 3rd party" at install phase
[18:08] <marquee_> HOWDY! I use vpnc to connect to my school network, then sftp to access my personal account/folder. I use the sftp command in terminal, but I don't know how to open/edit files while using sftp
[18:08] <marquee_> can someone help me out?
[18:08] <marquee_> I tried using !kate xxx.cpp
[18:09] <Bladegash> And if I try to save/update the xconfig, I get "failed to parse existing X config file /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[18:09] <Bladegash> Just to make sure it's not a permissions issue, I tell it to save it to "/tmp/xorg.conf" and I get "Unable to open X config file for writing"
[18:09] <BluesKaj> Bladegash , kmenu>apps>system>additional drivers
[18:09] <Bladegash> gets into my book of WTF
[18:10] <marquee_> but that just opens kate up on an empty xxx.cpp instead of actually opening up the xxx.cpp on the folder
[18:10] <rapidsp> hi
[18:10] <BluesKaj> ok , stuff to do , BBL
[18:11] <rapidsp> why keyboard layout settings was removed?
[18:11] <rapidsp> i cant to add my lang :)
[18:12] <rapidsp> every version - new adventures ))
[18:13] <melodie> My friend was on the computer this morning and the computer froze up and it had a message saying "The computer was now in low graphics mode" Now everything is messed up. The computer screen isn't formated right, the sound runs really weird and fast and my comptuer shows three tabs open when I open one thing like the window i'm in now. How do I fix this, becuse now my system settings won't even open becuase it said it crashed.
[18:14] <melodie> (It crashes every time I open system settings. To try and reformat the screen or change the graphics drive and see what happned. )
[18:15] <yofel> rapidsp: where did you look? they haven't been removed
[18:15] <yofel> system settings -> input devices -> keyboard -> layouts
[18:15] <rapidsp> yofel, settings -> local and keyboard settings
[18:16] <yofel> rapidsp: which kubuntu version is that?
[18:16] <rapidsp> 11.10
[18:17] <fajar> 11.10 too
[18:17] <yofel> hm, no - there's "Locale", the keyboard settings are under "input devices"
[18:18] <rapidsp> i'll reboot to kubuntu ... and will search again
[18:18] <rapidsp> thanks
[18:19] <melodie> Can anyone help?
[18:20] <BluesKaj> melodie, install the recommended driver in , kmenu>apps>system.additional drivers , the reboot
[18:20] <BluesKaj> then reboot
[18:20] <marquee_> blues, can u help me out with the sftp question?
[18:22] <marquee_> I use vpnc to connect to my school network, then sftp to access my personal account/folder. I use the sftp command in terminal, but I don't know how to open/edit files while using sftp
[18:22] <Exilant> just open them in kate
[18:22] <marquee_> when I run
[18:22] <marquee_> !kate xxx.cpp
[18:22] <melodie> BluesKaj: How do I get to Kmenu O.O
[18:22] <marquee_> it doesn't open them
[18:22] <Exilant> marquee_: no
[18:22] <BluesKaj> marquee_, in dolphin>places>network ?
[18:22] <marquee_> theres nothing there :/
[18:22] <Exilant> open sftp:// bala in konqueror
[18:22] <melodie> BluesKaj: i can't find that.
[18:23] <marquee_> it gives me a weird error message when I try that in rekonq
[18:23] <Exilant> marquee_: the sftp cl program just behaves like ftp. use get/put
[18:23] <BluesKaj> melodie, the blue K on left side of the panel
[18:23] <marquee_> I know about get/put
[18:23] <marquee_> but is there no way to edit the files w/out d/ling them editing them then uploading again?
[18:23] <Exilant> marquee_: not rekonq, rekonq is not a kpart browser
[18:23] <marquee_> ohhhhh
[18:24] <Exilant> not if you insist on using the cl sftp
[18:24] <marquee_> and here i thought rekonq was just an uber version of konqueror lol
[18:24] <Exilant> it's not :(
[18:24] <marquee_> T_T
[18:24] <marquee_> now i gotta go d/l and install konqueror
[18:25] <marquee_> howcome they took it out of 11.10?
[18:25] <Exilant> or try dolphin
[18:25] <BluesKaj> marquee_, use dolphin places network
[18:25] <melodie> BluesKaj: I can't get to anyplace called "Additional Drivers"... I'm in the applications tab, and I also searched for it. :/
[18:25] <Exilant> will work in dolphin too
[18:25] <melodie> BluesKaj: In my system
[18:25] <marquee_> I am not sure how to use the network setup in dolphin tbh
[18:25] <marquee_> if there was a browser bar, I can just enter the address
[18:26] <marquee_> but teh setup is kinda weird
[18:26] <marquee_> I was hoping to avoid it
[18:26] <marquee_> but I'll try that if konqueror doesn't work out
[18:26] <marquee_> thanks guys
[18:26] <BluesKaj> marquee_, in places on the left hand side in dolphin
[18:28] <BluesKaj> melodie, in apllications look for system , the additional driver
[18:29] <melodie> BluesKaj: Its not there, sorry :/
[18:29] <marquee_> thanks BluesKaj and Exilant rebooting~
[18:29] <BluesKaj> bbl ...gotta go
[18:29] <ralfp> Hi there
[18:29] <BluesKaj> melodie, don't be sorry ..it's not your fault
[18:30] <fajar> any indonesia here??
[18:30] <melodie> BluesKaj: Well my computer is messed up...I feel pretty f*ed her
[18:31] <ralfp> Question: I have one desktop (always on) and two notebooks. I want to set up the desktop machine as server, and use the laptops as clients, e.g. creating a new user on the server will give me the same users on the notebook, and files are accessible from the notebook as well. Is there an easy way to do this with kubuntu?
[18:33] <melodie> BluesKaj: *Here.
[18:35] <yofel> melodie: ok, you are logged in right now?
[18:35] <melodie> BluesKaj: I would have to be logged on to my computer to actually be using it wouldn't I O.O
[18:36] <melodie> yofel: Sorry, that was to you XD
[18:36] <yofel> melodie: heh, sorry, some people have another system they're on if one breaks, can you pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
[18:37] <melodie> yofel: Yes, I have GENOME and like a few others but I think I use KDE
[18:37] <melodie> yofel: But those show up at the log in...
[18:37] <melodie> yofel: Sure.
[18:37] <yofel> !paste
[18:40] <melodie> yofel: Well, I would but terminal says there is not such file or directory.. like that.
[18:40] <yofel> melodie: can you install pastebinit and run 'pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log' ?
[18:41] <melodie> yofel: install in in my package manager?
[18:41] <melodie> yofel: (or software manager..?)
[18:41] <yofel> yes, or 'sudo apt-get install pastebinit' in konsole
[18:43] <melodie> yofel: done...
[18:44] <melodie> yofel: Now what?
[18:45] <Peace-> yofel: hi
[18:45] <moond4rk> Can anyone help me?
[18:46] <Peace-> moond4rk: ?
[18:46] <moond4rk> How do I start a video call in Kopete?
[18:46] <Peace-> noway
[18:46] <Peace-> you can't i guess
[18:46] <moond4rk> O.o
[18:46] <moond4rk> really?
[18:47] <yofel> melodie: can you give me the link it posted?
[18:47] <Peace-> moond4rk: video call for what?
[18:47] <yofel> hey Peace-
[18:47] <moond4rk> I can not use my webcam in Kopete?*
[18:47] <Peace-> moond4rk: i mean the protocol
[18:47] <moond4rk> Msn
[18:47] <Peace-> moond4rk: no way for msn
[18:47] <Peace-> msn is a closed protol from microsoft
[18:48] <Peace-> every some time they change the stuff so the linux implementation for that
[18:48] <moond4rk> Can you recommend another customer?
[18:48] <Peace-> doesn't work
[18:48] <Peace-> moond4rk: you will never get a "stable" software on linux for video call  for microsoft protocols
[18:48] <Peace-> moond4rk: i will suggetst to migrate to google talks
[18:48] <Peace-> that works fine on linux
[18:49] <melodie> yofel: http://pastebin.com/6W174fCK
[18:49] <moond4rk> Thank's
[18:49] <melodie> That is what it said...
[18:49] <Peace-> moond4rk: you have only to use your browser , and register a mail
[18:49] <tower41000> hello room!
[18:49] <Peace-> moond4rk: i will suggest to use a logitech webcam for the job
[18:50] <tower41000> new to kde here, used ot use gnome
[18:50] <moond4rk> Peace, thank's
[18:50] <yofel> melodie: ah ok, can you now run this please? pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[18:52] <sburjan`> Hello. how come Kubuntu doesn't come with build-essential and Ubuntu does ? Seems strange
[18:52] <yofel> sburjan`: it should? you can just install it. (I guess it didn't fit on the disk)
[18:52] <Peace-> sburjan`: :) open a bug report
[18:54] <sburjan`> I don't think its a bug :)
[18:58] <BluesKaj> build essential and mercurial
[18:58] <melodie> yofel: http://pastebin.com/EVaQipQU
[18:59] <melodie> Sorry, I was sending a message to my brother, he pretty much made this computer.
[19:01] <kerloi> Hi all. I just installed a kubuntu linux. It seems pretty good but I have one big problem, I don't have any sound at all ...
[19:01] <Peace-> kerloi:  run a konsole
[19:01] <jmichaelx> so every time i log in on this machine, i get blasted with a bunch of popups simultaneously (good ol' kde-style...), plus an crash dialog telling me that nepomuk can't start, and giving me a nepomuk stub error. would anyone have a suggestion as to what to do about this?
[19:01] <Peace-> kerloi: alsamixer -V all
[19:03] <kerloi> Peace-: Yep i've done that. I'm using the headphone output (I have no choice ...)
[19:03] <kerloi> But there is no ladder for this line, only two numbers : 00
[19:03] <Peace-> kerloi: could you paste a picture of alsamixer ?
[19:03] <BluesKaj> another PA prob perhaps
[19:04] <Peace-> BluesKaj: hey
[19:04] <kerloi> Peace-: Yep which web sit is the best ?
[19:04] <Peace-> kerloi: there is a widget for that  is called pastebin
[19:04] <BluesKaj> hi Peace-
[19:05] <Peace-> kerloi: http://blip.tv/PeaceForlinux/postare-uno-screenshot-velocemente-con-kde4-4894119
[19:05] <Peace-> kerloi: look at that
[19:07] <kerloi> Peace-: here it is http://wstaw.org/m/2011/10/15/plasma-desktopRz1628.jpg
[19:08] <kerloi> (this widget is really cool)
[19:08] <yofel> melodie: hm, I see some errors in there, but I don't know ab
[19:08] <yofel> #
[19:08] <yofel> #
[19:09] <FloodBotK2> yofel: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:09] <FloodBotK1> yofel: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:09] <yofel> oops
[19:09] <yofel> melodie: hm, I see some errors in there, but I don't know much about ati drivers I fear
[19:09] <kerloi> ops master is missing but it is 100 and not muted
[19:09] <melodie> yofel: Do you have any idea whats wrong then?
[19:10] <BluesKaj> kerloi, are you feeding an audio amp .or are the speakers connected directly to the soundcard?
[19:10] <yofel> it seems like KMS is disabled, or fails to be used. But the ati driver uses that to set the right resolution for the screen
[19:12] <Peace-> kerloi: ok
[19:12] <Peace-> kerloi: just a moment
[19:12] <kerloi> BluesKaj: I have an headphone
[19:13] <melodie> yofel: How do I fix that?
[19:14] <BarkingFish> Evening guys! I finally made it to oneiric. I have a problem though.  Kmail2 is crashing out with a fatal error, which means I can't pick up my email.
[19:14] <yofel> Not sure. Can you pastebin the output of 'dmesg' too please?
[19:14] <BarkingFish> It's saying it is unable to fetch the resource collection, and also that it has no local folders
[19:14] <Peace-> kerloi:  button M to enable sfuff and arrow left right to go everywhere
[19:14] <yofel> BarkingFish: see if the link in /topic has something useful as a start
[19:14] <Peace-> kerloi: you see there is  a colllon of >
[19:15] <Peace-> kerloi: go with right and see if you can change something there
[19:15] <jamil_1> on each restart I get a crash report: http://paste.ubuntu.com/708837/
[19:17] <yofel> hm, that's ntrack crashing
[19:18] <yofel> jamil_1: can you please install kde-runtime-dbg and refresh?
[19:18] <jamil_1> sure
[19:18] <melodie> yofel: http://pastebin.com/fSfSmVY3
[19:18] <kerloi> This is weird. I'm playing a music with player and during 1 sec i had sound
[19:18] <kerloi> but it stopped
[19:18] <oxymoron> Hi, is someone upto listen to good and bad critics regarding Kubuntu? :)
[19:18] <yofel> melodie: thanks, looking
[19:18] <Peace-> kerloi: killall pulse
[19:18] <melodie> yofel: You think it might be our external hard drive, my mother plugged it in... O.O
[19:18] <melodie> yofel: What is it looking?
[19:19] <Peace-> kerloi: killall pulseaudio
[19:19] <Peace-> sorry the last one
[19:19] <BarkingFish> yofel, the link is not helping.  I've migrated everything to the akonadi system, and I still get this error: KMail encountered a fatal error and will terminate now. The error was: Failed to fetch the resource collection.
[19:19] <yofel> melodie: errr... yeah, that's not very useful (looking as in I was looking at it)
[19:19] <kerloi> Peace-: done
[19:19] <Peace-> kerloi: try to play a file again
[19:19] <jamil_1> yofel  I need to download the 156 megs from repos so I'll come back later
[19:19] <yofel> melodie: can you pastebin /var/log/dmesg instead?
[19:20] <yofel> BarkingFish: can you try to restart akonadi?
[19:20] <BarkingFish> i would if I knew how :) Is it a service restart I can do from a terminal, yofel?
[19:21] <kerloi> Peace-: It did it again :worked during 1 sec and then stopped.
[19:21] <kerloi> But this time I saw that master juste mutted itself ???
[19:21] <yofel> BarkingFish: akonaditry should be by default in your systray, you can stop and start it from there
[19:22] <melodie> yofel: Dude... (grabs at hair) this is fustraiting, now its telling me I don't have permision
[19:22] <yofel> melodie: ouch, run 'sudo pastebinit /var/log/dmesg'
[19:22] <Peace-> kerloi: mmm wait a moment it's a stupid problem i am sure
[19:22] <melodie> I tried it under sudo but it said the command wan't found.
[19:22] <BluesKaj> kerloi, if you removed or killed pulseaudio , run sudo alsa force-reload
[19:23] <BarkingFish> ok, done that, yofel. I'll have another try at kmail2
[19:23] <oxymoron> I take it anyway :P I start with the good :) I love that Kubuntu now feels more stable, the CLI messages in bootup process is gone and splash screen works, networkmanager seems to work again, breadcrumbs in kickoff menu, faster, drains less battery
[19:23] <melodie> yofel: one sec, its thinking. it might actually work
[19:23] <melodie> yofel: http://pastebin.com/CVJCsDTs
[19:23] <oxymoron> Oh yes and better calendar and look of the clock right bottom corner :P
[19:24] <oxymoron> Then we have muon, which is excellent :)
[19:24] <Peace-> kerloi: so i guess you have to edit the alsa conf file...
[19:24] <Peace-> xD
[19:24] <kerloi> Peace-: ok
[19:24] <kerloi> But I don't know the syntax
[19:25] <Peace-> kerloi:  paste this    cat /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf
[19:26] <oxymoron> What I do not like is that in kickoff menu, when breadcrums added someone felt back button should be removed ... why? :S Sometimes it is faster to press back then use breadcrumb cicking.
[19:27] <Peace-> oxymoron: ya
[19:27] <GirlyGirl> oxymoron: It is not faster ... both are one click just a matter of getting used to it
[19:27] <MeanderingCode> Gaarrrr!  Finally gave up and went for a fresh install...still no opengl love on intel video running i915 drivers...anyone out there solve this problem?
[19:27] <kerloi> Peace-: http://pastebin.com/L8FfWfUA
[19:28] <oxymoron> Still there is not undelete manager, to restore deleted files specific for kubntu. Then we do NOT have a GREAT backup manager. Kubuntu need something similar to Time Machine. Automatic incremental backups, so i do not need to write cron or anything, it should just work by itself.
[19:28] <GirlyGirl> MeanderingCode: I have no problems with this driver on gma 950
[19:28] <MeanderingCode> what's "gma 950"?
[19:28] <oxymoron> GirlyGirl: NO, youre wrong. back button is more close than breadcrumbs is. Then breadcrumbs ALSO have small text size, harder to click right ... so why not have BOTH? :S
[19:28] <yofel> melodie: hm, did you install the driver from additional drivers? because I see fglrx being loaded there, but that's not what X tries to use.
[19:28] <Peace-> kerloi: do you need pulse for some reason ?
[19:29] <Peace-> kerloi: if you don't .....   sudo apt-get remove pulseaudio-utils pulseaudio
[19:29] <Peace-> kerloi: after that pkill kmix && sudo alsa force-reload && kmix
[19:29] <jamil_1> oxymoron: +1 on no back button in breadcrumb
[19:29] <GirlyGirl> oxymoron: send a wishlist to kde then
[19:29] <Peace-> kerloi: that remove pulse and restart the driver
[19:29] <MeanderingCode> and what pkg has glxinfo? Not in my fresh install
[19:30] <oxymoron> GirlyGirl: I should not need to. I REALLY do not understand why you remove it and replace with something, when you just had to ADD breadcrumbs and leave the old one.
[19:30]  * yofel is fine with no back button in kickoff
[19:30] <BarkingFish> yofel - still no joy on kmail 2.  It is flatly refusing to open, same error every time.
[19:30] <oxymoron> Fine it is working with breadcrumbs, but more smooth to have both back button and breadcrumbs.
[19:30] <EagleScreen> how can I add a webpage to bookmars?
[19:30] <Peace-> yofel: you bad guy
[19:31] <melodie> yofel: No...I don't think so. Dose that make a difference though?
[19:31] <GirlyGirl> oxymoron: If you want it to be considered for re-integration in 4.8 do it
[19:31] <EagleScreen> I mean using Rekonq
[19:31] <yofel> BarkingFish: I fear I'm out of ideas then. I had my issues with kmail, but it currently works after some fiddling around
[19:31] <Peace-> EagleScreen: there is an icon on the right
[19:31] <Peace-> where there is all the menu ... like chromiium
[19:31] <Peace-> btw there is on the bar an icon for that ...
[19:31] <BarkingFish> yofel, I'll have to speak to the guys upstream then, #kde here I come.
[19:31] <yofel> melodie: the drivers conflict with each other. Can you pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf? it might not exist!
[19:32] <EagleScreen> yes, the Tools icon, and later?
[19:32] <yofel> MeanderingCode: glxinfo is in mesa-utils
[19:32] <Peace-> EagleScreen: wait i am pasting an image .-.--- oh here it is http://wstaw.org/m/2011/10/15/plasma-desktopEB1340.jpg
[19:33] <MeanderingCode> yofel: thanks
[19:33] <EagleScreen> wow, that star is not very visible
[19:33] <kerloi> Peace-: Well I did everything but it doesn't work better.
[19:33] <oxymoron> GirlyGirl: I rest my case, I shouldnt need to. Seriously, it should be obvious ... it is so freaking frustrating to watch cycle of KDE and Kubuntu and when they add waste of features we do not need which itself breaks other things that worked before. If you add something, do NOT delete old features if theyre good. Seriously, splash SCREEN have never EVER been fixed UNTIL NOW.
[19:34] <melodie> yofel: Apparently it dosent because every time I try to type it in..it says no such file or directory
[19:34] <Peace-> EagleScreen: it's minimalistic ...
[19:34] <Peace-> kerloi: try to reboot and set the volume on kmix
[19:34] <kerloi> Peace-: But some modules refuse to be unloaded so maybe I should restart the system ...
[19:34] <kerloi> ok
[19:35] <oxymoron> GirlyGirl: Then we have user login, oh god. WHEN should it lok like Windows login? not same colors and design of course, but something decent. Now it looks like a child drawed it ......
[19:35] <melodie> yofel: (My step brother did a system update this morning....that might be it? Then again, I don't know anything about linux haha...)
[19:35] <GirlyGirl> oxymoron: For goodness sake KDE is not a commercial venture like windows, if you want a feature as member of the community just send a wish list or code it yourself
[19:35] <yofel> melodie: hm, ok... is there a file with ati or fglrx in it's name in /etc/modprobe.d/
[19:36] <ubuntu__> hi ppl, i have a question.... i have to much problems with mz kubuntu system, i have since kubuntu 8.04... always upgraed up to 11.10... but now id like to reinstall the computer... cuy is not working well... it makes sinn that i install my kubuntu in that partition.... _ n what do i got to erase from that partition>
[19:36] <Peace-> !offtopic | oxymoron:
[19:36] <oxymoron> Then do NOT change default apps all the time, like app manager, web browser etc. CHOOSE one and make it PERFECT. STAY with MUON now forever, thorugh out rekonq and use Chrome FOREVER as default etc.
[19:36] <yofel> GirlyGirl, oxymoron: we had a nice lightdm-kde design actually, but nobody had the time to actually implement it
[19:36] <Peace-> !offtopic | oxymoron
[19:36] <ubuntu__> so.. id like to save my personal data... n it is really big (my home folder)
[19:36] <MeanderingCode> is there no advice out there as to best-practices around this opengl issue?  my best guess is to see if the glassel ppa for intel-video works on oneiric, but i've seen nothing about it
[19:36] <yofel> oxymoron: chromium uses gtk, not space for gtk on the CD
[19:37] <melodie> yofel: Command not found. :/
[19:37] <ubuntu__> or do i got to install everthing again_
[19:37] <ubuntu__> ?
[19:37] <melodie> yofel: And yes, I already tried sudo..
[19:37] <yofel> melodie: no, don't try to run something, just look what files are in there
[19:37] <yofel> I have no idea how the fglrx file would be called, that's the problem
[19:39] <kerloi> Peace-: It is half solved :)
[19:39] <MeanderingCode> does it make any diff to anyone's noggin if i mention i'm using 64bit?
[19:39] <Peace-> kerloi: ?
[19:39] <melodie> yofel: Are you looking for eht name of my display driver?
[19:40] <kerloi> Peace-: Well it doesn't work in amarok but everywhere else.
[19:40] <Peace-> mm
[19:40] <Peace-> kerloi: :D
[19:40] <kerloi> But I know it is common for amarok
[19:40] <Peace-> kerloi: maybe you have to configure it
[19:40] <yofel> melodie: no, for the names of  the files in /etc/modprobe.d/
[19:42] <trew_> hi all
[19:42] <melodie> It won't let me run the command ''/etc/modprobe.d/'' into he Konsle... I'm sorry :/ is there some other way?
[19:42] <trew_> i need help
[19:42] <trew_> i intall kubuntu bat KDE no started
[19:42] <trew_> i have log
[19:42] <Peace-> !paste | trew_
[19:42] <trew_> http://paste.kde.org/134161/
[19:43] <kerloi> Peace-: Well thx I'll manage amarok my self :)
[19:43] <Peace-> kerloi: pulse for some audio card is very bad friend
[19:44] <Peace-> kerloi:  http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2010/09/18/audio-problem-with-kubuntu-10-10/
[19:44] <Peace-> kerloi: that what i thought before
[19:44] <yofel> melodie: no, run 'ls /etc/modprobe.d/'
[19:46] <melodie> yofel: http://pastebin.com/ue0Ra7VH
[19:46] <kerloi> Peace-: Yep it seems it is the case for me. But pulseaudio is installed with the live cd ...
[19:47] <trew_> Someone?
[19:47] <Peace-> trew_: ?
[19:47] <yofel> trew_: some patience please...
[19:48] <Sam42> Any ideas on how I can remove this widget from the panel without actually being able to see the panel? Currently I can't load plasma-desktop because a cpufreq widget is causes a kauth error code 3
[19:48] <trew_> i intall kubuntu bat KDE no started
[19:48] <trew_> LOG kdm
[19:48] <trew_> http://paste.kde.org/134161/
[19:48] <Peace-> i installed kubutu but kde  didn't start
[19:49] <Peace-> ok.... trew_ nvidia?
[19:49] <trew_> YA
[19:49] <yofel> melodie: ok, now we know that KMS doesn't work because fglrx disables it. Now: try running 'sudo jockey-text' and try to re/install or remove fglrx
[19:49] <yofel> with some luck that'll improve the situation
[19:50] <melodie> yofel: ...Just so I know, what exactly is wrong with it. Is it just conflicint with KMS?
[19:51] <melodie> yofel: Or what?
[19:51] <BluesKaj> kerloi, to find he right name for your audio kernel module do :  lsmod grep | snd , then run: sudo modprobe snd_nameofmodule to load the module .
[19:52] <Peace-> trew_:  sudo nvidia-xconfig
[19:52] <trew_> CHROOT?
[19:53] <Peace-> trew_: where are you from ?
[19:53] <kerloi> BluesKaj: Thx but thanks to Peace- advices it's working now :)
[19:53] <melodie> yofel: How do I remove fglrx? Then re install it O.O
[19:53] <melodie> yofel: Unless I need it completely removed O.O
[19:53] <trew_> live cd Peace-
[19:53] <BluesKaj> kerloi, well, do it anyway :)
[19:54] <Peace-> trew_: your country...
[19:54] <Peace-> BluesKaj: removed pulse...
[19:54] <Peace-> it's a beast that thing for some audio card :D
[19:54] <kerloi> BluesKaj: But didn't lsmod list the modules that are already loaded ?
[19:55] <BluesKaj> yup. Peace- , unfortunately i have no web audio without pulse with my new m-audio sound card
[19:55] <yofel_> melodie: fglrx can't use kms, so it disables it, but since you have no xorg.conf that driver isn't used but the other one which relies on KMS -> bad
[19:56] <BluesKaj> lsmod lists available modules , modprobe loads them
[19:56] <kerloi> All my audio is working. I've tested with mplayer, amarok, and some youtube video
[19:57] <BluesKaj> kerloi, nice to hear , no pun intended :)
[19:58] <kerloi> BluesKaj: :p
[19:58] <kerloi> ok Thx a lot and good bye !!
[19:59] <trew_> Peace-: http://paste.kde.org/134179/
[19:59] <Peace-> trew_: your nvidia drivers fails
[20:00] <szal> !upgrade
[20:01] <nusch_> could somebody help me with examining network manager problem ? this is my fourth dist-upgrade and fourth time network manager is messed..
[20:02] <trew_> There? Peace-
[20:02] <Peace-> trew_: you need to fix your nvidia driver
[20:02] <usaki> i have a general question, is it possible to downgrade to a previous version of an installed program?
[20:02] <Peace-> trew_: nvidia driver problem
[20:02] <trew_> How?
[20:02] <Peace-> i dunno well
[20:04] <trew_> Peace-: What's the command I install it?
[20:04] <nusch_> I have network-manager running, can see it's proberly detects wifi network in dbus viewer, but plasma applet shows no connections, wireless is grayed, on wired I can see only ifup(eth0), ifup(wlan0) http://pastebin.pl/48602
[20:05] <jmichaelx> miro is not working in oneiric :-(
[20:05] <trew_> Or how can I search through the command line?
[20:09] <anon> hi. I just install Kubuntu 11.10 and have 2 problems, can someone help me please?
[20:09] <darthanubis> ask
[20:10] <anon> first off, flash is choppy and too quick..
[20:10] <anon> VLC exits when trying to jump somewhere into the middle of a movie
[20:11] <anon> otherwise, plays it at the speed of light.
[20:11] <darthanubis> weird
[20:11] <anon> The other problem.. I can't find avidemux in Muon :)
[20:11] <darthanubis> what kind of video card?
[20:11] <darthanubis> they removed avidemux from the repos
[20:11] <Peace-> anon: systemsetting desktop effect  disable them for a while
[20:11] <U236Willy> I'd like to know if there is a log that is saved of a dist-upgrade when it borks.
[20:11] <anon> well I've got an ATI but I'm not using the propiretary drivers
[20:11] <darthanubis> I know, I was dismayed by that as well
[20:11] <anon> proprietary*
[20:11] <anon> Peace-: will try it
[20:13] <darthanubis> anon: I'd at least try the the ATI drivers
[20:13] <darthanubis> then you can turn your effects back on
[20:13] <anon> ok, disabled the effects, and still.. Dragon, VLC, even youtube (and all flash sites) play flash very quickly,
[20:14] <darthanubis> which flash is installed?
[20:14] <darthanubis> are you 64bit?
[20:14] <anon> ah, so it's not only flash videos! I just played a .wmv and a .mp4
[20:14] <anon> yup, 64bit
[20:14] <darthanubis> ok
[20:15] <darthanubis> I'd enable the medibuntu repos
[20:15] <darthanubis> sevenmachines flash repos
[20:15] <darthanubis> and install the ATI drivers and 64bit flash
[20:15] <darthanubis> report your findings
[20:15] <anon> (probably noteworthy: yesterday I had installed Kubuntu 64-bit, today messed up kdm so I reformatted and re-installed. However, on my first install, videos were working fine and I didn't do anything exotic now)
[20:15] <yofel> sevenmachines flash is empty
[20:15] <anon> ok
[20:15] <yofel> use adobe-flashplayer from partner
[20:15] <anon> yofel: this is what I'm using now
[20:15] <yofel> that's the 64bit one if you're on 64
[20:16] <anon> ok let me enable medibuntu and report back
[20:17] <Peace-> anon:  rm -R /home/$USER/.config/vlc/
[20:17] <darthanubis> yofel: when did that happen
[20:17] <U236Willy> Is there anyway I can find out where the install process borked and on which packages?
[20:17] <darthanubis> guess I did not notice as I installed flash manually from Adobe
[20:17] <anon> Peace-:  Dragon also plays fvideos quickly
[20:18] <yofel> darthanubis: as soon as flash11 got released
[20:18] <Peace-> anon: mm looks like asystem problem
[20:18] <darthanubis> "adobe-flashplayer" not found
[20:19] <yofel> oops, adobe-flashplugin
[20:20] <Peace-> anon: for vlc try this http://wstaw.org/m/2011/10/15/plasma-desktopjk1340.jpg
[20:20] <darthanubis> yofel: thanks says version 10
[20:20] <yofel> says for me:      11.0.1.152-0oneiric1
[20:21] <elijah> Hey guys, I have been googling for quite a while now and can't seem to figure this out. Ubuntu did this but I can't seem to do this on Kubuntu. [20:21] <darthanubis> I guess the package description in properites needs updating then
[20:21] <darthanubis> elijah: right click the desktop
[20:22] <anon> ok will just install adobe-flashplugin first
[20:23] <elijah> darthanubis: ahah, thanks
[20:23] <darthanubis> ;)
[20:24] <jmichaelx> i am having issues with a few apps one one machine. both are gtk apps. one is cheese. it worked fine in natty, but in oneiric it is VERY sluggish, the images are of far less quality than they were in natty, and it will not use my gtk theme settings. the second app is miro, which is so sluggish and crashy as to be unusable. any suggestions?
[20:24] <jmichaelx> on one machine*
[20:24] <elijah> Is there a program that is faster than gwenview to launch image previews with?
[20:26] <anon> well.. nothing changed, and it's getting late, I have work tomorrow morning. Thanks everyone! will see you soon
[20:26] <yofel> jmichaelx: cheese is gnome, so if you want it themed you would need to install oxygen gtk3 which is still work in progress
[20:26] <yofel> (haven't gotten a gnome app with oxygen-gtk3 to use my color scheme yet)
[20:26] <yofel> although  the theme itself works ok
[20:26] <Peace-> cheese? [20:27] <yofel> true, try kamoso
[20:27] <Peace-> btw kamoso uses vlc library
[20:27] <Peace-> so... it's vlc :D
[20:29] <jmichaelx> yofel: Peace-: i didn't install kamoso, basically because i was annoyed with it having konqueror as a dependency.... but anyways, obviously i know that cheese is a gnome app, or i would not have mentioned the gtk themes.... and the theme is minor. it is VERY sluggish and crashy, as is miro... i think these two issues are related somehow. on another similar machine, miro is working fine.
[20:30] <Peace-> jmichaelx: konqueror?
[20:30] <Peace-> vlc you meant
[20:30] <jmichaelx> Peace-: possibly vlc as well, but i am pretty sure that it also pulls in konqueror
[20:31] <GirlyGirl> jmichaelx: GTK3 can be rather laggy at times
[20:31] <jmichaelx> GirlyGirl: this is beyond normal laggy
[20:31] <yofel> miro got a new version (4), but still seems to use gtk2
[20:31] <jmichaelx> i am trying to emphasize that something is wrong
[20:32] <GirlyGirl> jmichaelx: In my case it is beyond laggy to so I'm avoiding those apps
[20:32] <jmichaelx> yofel: i have been using miro's new version for a long time. it worked fine in natty
[20:32] <yofel> hm...
[20:33] <jmichaelx> yofel: and as i said, i have two very similar machines right next to each othere here... miro works fine on one machine, almost not at all on the other
[20:33] <jmichaelx> these two machines have the same CPU, same amount of RAM
[20:33] <yofel> gpu?
[20:34] <Peace-> good night
[20:34] <jmichaelx> the one where the problems are has an nvidia ion2 gpr, the one where things are working has intel video
[20:34] <jmichaelx> gpu*
[20:34]  * Peace- is tired from skydiving and runnin here in italy is late
[20:35] <Peace-> so ... have nice chat here .
[20:35] <jmichaelx> good night, Peace-!
[20:35] <yofel> I would blame that difference then, although I'm not sure what driver the ION's are using
[20:35] <jmichaelx> i honestly think something got botched in the upgrade process...
[20:36]  * yofel has crappy performance with nouveau on his quadro
[20:36] <jmichaelx> yofel: the ion's use the same proprietary nvidia driver that other nvidia cards use
[20:37] <jmichaelx> i could be wrong, but i doubt the video card is the issue
[20:37] <yofel> hm, that driver is usually good
[20:37] <jmichaelx> i would not call it good, but in linux it is more stable than anything else
[20:38] <yofel> true, but the only issue I have with it is slow rendering in firefox. other than that it's fine
[20:39] <szal> do I see correctly that Oneiric comes w/ kdepim 4.7.2?
[20:39] <BarkingFish> szal, you do.
[20:39] <melodie> Hey, can anyone help?
[20:39] <jmichaelx> yofel: yea, it suit smy purposes.... i was most interested in being able to use vdpau. i am trying to keep my carbon footprint as low as possible (which is not all that low at times), and am using two dual-core atom machines at my work desk
[20:39] <Creap> Hi, I had 2 disks in Software RAID in a previous install (openSUSE), just installed Kubuntu 11.10 and not sure how to mount them. There's no option in the KDE Partition Manager to mount the partitions on those 2 disks
[20:39] <szal> does that include the new KMal?
[20:40] <melodie> My screen isn't formated right :/ it is a little off.
[20:40] <szal> !ask | BarkingFish
[20:40] <szal> erm, wrong nick..  I meant melodie
[20:40] <jmichaelx> melodie: in what way?
[20:41] <yofel> melodie: still?
[20:41] <melodie> It edges go a little more outward then they should. And it is getting a little annoying.
[20:41] <yofel> szal: yes, oneiric has kmail2 (read link in topic before upgrading)
[20:41] <melodie> yofel: Nope, I fixed the graphics problem
[20:42] <BarkingFish> yofel, maybe we should tell people about akonadiconsole too, since it might help with any issues starting or getting kmail2 to work :)
[20:42] <melodie> yofel: But the screen and multiple destops still don't work
[20:42] <yofel> BarkingFish: hm... akonaditray was supposed to be used for that :/
[20:43] <jmichaelx> yofel: why do the package name for these themes say gtk2?
[20:43] <BarkingFish> yofel, akonaditray doesn't help, the configuration is fine, but the akonadiconsole allows you to restart individual bits which aren't running
[20:44] <BarkingFish> I'd say that makes it an asset, possibly should be put in as a package which should come down at the same time as akonadi, instead of having to go get it when you realise you need it :)
[20:45] <yofel> jmichaelx: because they're gtk2 themes?
[20:45] <yofel> afaik there is only 1 gtk3 theme in the archive
[20:45] <BarkingFish> This is only personal opinion, but I don't see what the need was to move kmail over to akonadi & nepomuk, it worked fine before :)
[20:45] <jmichaelx> and which is that?
[20:45] <BarkingFish> If it ain't broke, don't break it.
[20:45] <yofel> jmichaelx: gtk3-engines-...
[20:45] <yofel> ... something
[20:45] <szal> yofel: looks like it's safer to do the migration manually
[20:46] <yofel> szal: exactly
[20:46] <BarkingFish> szal, be warned, the migration tool doesn't always work from the CLI either :)
[20:47] <szal> BarkingFish: I'm gonna do a full system backup anyway before upgrading
[20:47] <jmichaelx> yofel: ok, do i need to be using this gtk3 engine... which was apparently not needed in < natty?
[20:47] <szal> right now I'm running do-release-upgrade on my other machine..  got nothing to lose there, so I thought I could give it a go as well ^^
[20:47] <yofel> jmichaelx: if you use gtk3 apps and want them to look better than gtk1 - yes
[20:48] <yofel> jmichaelx: and that's beacause before oneiric practically nothing used gtk3
[20:48] <yofel> jmichaelx: and oxygen/gtk3 isn't released yet, albeit usable IMO
[20:48] <jmichaelx> yofel: where do you get oxygen/gtk3?
[20:49] <yofel> jmichaelx: selfbuilding - git clone git://anongit.kde.org/oxygen-gtk - git checkout gtk3 - then read the INSTALL file
[20:49] <yofel> and README
[20:49] <jmichaelx> ok, ty
[20:50] <jmichaelx> i may not bother right now, as i highly doubt this is even related to most of the issues i'm having
[20:50] <yofel> nah, only gtk3 apps looking bad
[20:52] <jmichaelx> ok, i just installed cheese on a second machine (with the intel GPU) even though there is no webcam there. it fires right up (just like miro does).... something is royally screwed up on the nvidia machine regarding gtk apps
[21:04] <Creap> davcleme: I have installed the mdadm package, is it some kind of driver that partition manager can use or should I use the cli?
[21:05] <finger> Hello! I've got a small question. I started to use Kubuntu just recently and I can't seem to find such a thing like separator for desktop panels. I tried hard to find it, but I just can't. Can somebody point me to solution?
[21:06] <Creap> davcleme: wrong channel sorry
[21:08] <finger> I mean separator like in toolbar. Just a vertical line of fixed witdh and clearly visible. I like to have diferrent widgets separated. And it's really annoying not to have that item...
[21:13] <spacebug-> if I can change how much the volume inc/dec in KDE when using my keyboard then where do I do that?
[21:16] <finger> !ru
[21:16] <szal> hmm..  what repo to enable for continuous KDE (version) updates?  kubuntu-ppa or backports ppa?
[21:18] <szal> (iow, the one that will get 4.7.2 when it's out and pkg'd)
[21:19] <spacebug-> szal: sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa
[21:19] <yofel> szal: kubuntu-ppa/ppa already has 4.7.2
[21:19] <yofel> for oneiric that is
[21:23] <szal> upgrade on other machine seems to have gone smoothly all the way despite an internet connection interruption
[21:24] <jmichaelx> looks like it is reinstall time for this thingl,+-+89`-+---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------     +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
[21:24] <jmichaelx> whoops... sorry about that
[21:24] <PrivateReese> hey guys can someone please answer one question about "Ubuntu Distribution Hosting"
[21:24] <PrivateReese> ?
[21:24] <szal> !ask | PrivateReese
[21:24] <giantpune> hi, i am running the kubuntu 11.04 -> 11.10 update.  it is spitting out a lot of errors while trying to update the ssl certs.
[21:24] <szal> PrivateReese: and please elaborate what you mean by "Ubuntu Distribution Hosting"
[21:25] <jmichaelx> lol, how knocking my keyboard down produced what it just did, i do not know lol
[21:25] <giantpune> there must be about 200 errors where it tried to add a cert and failed.  anybody know if this is normal?
[21:25] <PrivateReese> I have some freee Webspace or even a Webserver, i want to "Host" Ubuntu and Distributions on it
[21:26] <szal> jmichaelx: looks like it lay on the - and + keys of the numpad
[21:26] <PrivateReese> is it legal to do so or do I have to get Permission??
[21:26] <jmichaelx> szal: apparently so
[21:27] <szal> PrivateReese: the install media are freely redistributable; you can host them on your own webspace, burn to CDs and give away or even sell..
[21:28] <szal> PrivateReese: unless you modify them to include software that is not freely redistributable, that is
[21:28] <PrivateReese> so i just can mirror all Ubuntu or other Linux Distributions? Can I also take part in the "Main Ubuntu Download Link" where there choose a Server to Download from e.g. a University Server
[21:32] <BarkingFish> PrivateReese, if you want to set up a mirror of your own, follow this :)
[21:32] <BarkingFish> !newmirror | PrivateReese
[21:33] <PrivateReese> hey thanks a lot ;-)
[21:34] <BarkingFish> you're welcome, thank ubuntu's ops too, they pointed me at the message link :)
[21:35] <jmichaelx> yofel: in case you're interested, i believe the problem i am having has nothing to do with gtk.... it is another audio problem
[21:35] <yofel> audio o.O?
[21:36] <jmichaelx> yofel: yes. maybe you remember that yesterday, phonon had set my webcam mic as my default audio device (very stupid)
[21:36] <yofel> yep
[21:38] <jmichaelx> yofel: i think it was you who told me to use kcmshell4 to fix that.... anyways, since rebooting, things are again configured wrongly, and in the phonon settings the devices are not even listed anymore, only pulseaudio is listed
[21:38] <yofel> ...
[21:38] <ashwin> After update klipper is not working properly.how can i make in work?
[21:38] <cachemem> I am sorry again. I see a conversation here, but I want to get a little attention too. I want a separator like in toolbars for my desktop panels. I can't seem to find such a feature. It's really a problem for me. Can anybody point me to a solution?
[21:39] <jmichaelx> this whole pulseaudio and pulseaudio+phonon business is another matter on which volumes could be written about their dysfunctionality
[21:40] <jmichaelx> yofel: would you have an idea how i could get phonon to show my devices?
[21:40] <yofel> cachemem: I don't think there are seperators for the panel, only spacers
[21:41] <yofel> jmichaelx: no, I'm happy as long phonon works, I always just set it to use pulse
[21:41] <jmichaelx> yofel: you are aware that often does not work, aren't you?
[21:42] <jmichaelx> i wonder why my devices showed yesterday, and today they don't
[21:43] <jmichaelx> the freaking thing reset my default audio device to be my hdmi audio, which i am not using
[21:43] <cachemem> yofel: that is very sad...
[21:44] <yofel> jmichaelx: it works perfectly fine on my eeePC - but on my thinkpad I have that exact issue with my HDMI slot -.-*
[21:44] <ashwin> After update klipper is not working properly.Now history is always empty.i cannot copy text from one app to other.How can i fix it?
[21:44] <jmichaelx> yofel: how did you fix that (providing you did get it fixed)?
[21:45] <yofel> jmichaelx: not really, I set it to use internal analog stereo (for every setting I could fine), and it usually sticks to that
[21:45] <BarkingFish> This is not fun. I have another problem now. Why am I unable to install kpackagekit?  I try from cli to install using sudo apt-get install kpackagekit and get this:
[21:45] <BarkingFish>  kpackagekit : Depends: apper but it is not going to be installed
[21:45] <BarkingFish> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[21:45] <jmichaelx> yofel: i do not have that option... i have NO options
[21:46] <yofel> BarkingFish: refresh your cache? apper is in universe
[21:46] <BarkingFish> I have apper already installed
[21:46] <yofel> jmichaelx: ok... that's new
[21:47] <jmichaelx> yofel: it isn't new. people complain about this all the time
[21:47] <cachemem> Then I will write my own separator widget next weekend :D
[21:47] <jmichaelx> yofel: i should have said that i have one option 'pulseaudio'
[21:48] <yofel> meh, you need someone that knows more about phonon than I do :/
[21:48] <jmichaelx> i still want to know why my devices would show one day, and not the next
[21:48] <jmichaelx> phonon should not exist
[21:48] <szal> in Oneiric kpackagekit is obsolete
[21:49] <cachemem> Thanks a lot, anyway
[21:49] <szal> if I saw correctly while upgrading my other machine
[21:49] <yofel> BarkingFish: uh... that error doesn't make sense then. But what szal says is correct
[21:49] <ufmblan> hey folks. I upgraded to 11.10 and now have no network devices available. can someone please help
[21:49] <yofel> jmichaelx: phonon should very much exist, pulse shouldn't exist
[21:49] <BarkingFish> oh great. Why mess with stuff which works...?
[21:49] <yofel> BarkingFish: kpackagekit was renamed to apper
[21:49] <jmichaelx> yofel: i do hate pulseaudio
[21:50] <BarkingFish> yofel, it doesn't have the same functionality as kpackagekit
[21:50] <jmichaelx> but i hate a lot of things right now.... pulseaudio, akonadi, nepomuk
[21:50] <yofel> BarkingFish: ask the developer, nothing that was done from the kubuntu side
[21:50] <BarkingFish> the edit origins button has gone, the list of what pools you have is gone
[21:50] <jmichaelx> i am anti-semantic desktop
[21:50] <jmichaelx> :-D
[21:50] <BarkingFish> jmichaelx, I'm with you on this.  I want something which works
[21:51] <BarkingFish> At the moment, after 2 hours on oneiric, I can say with all honesty, this doesn't.
[21:51] <yofel> hm, kde1 was classic
[21:51] <BarkingFish> so since apper clearly doesn't have what I want, does anyone know where it went?
[21:52] <yofel> what?
[21:52] <BarkingFish> the edit origins feature, and the list of pools you can check or uncheck
[21:52] <jmichaelx> i have a younger brother who has been using windowmaker since the late 90's... only window manager he'll use, and he wastes a lot less time with that than i am right now with kde
[21:52]  * yofel installs apper
[21:53] <jmichaelx> i had never heard of apper until yesterday
[21:53] <jmichaelx> i still miss (the old) adept
[21:53] <jmichaelx> now i either use aptitude or synaptic
[21:53] <BarkingFish> i want kpackagekit back. I don't care if I have to totally reinstall natty.
[21:53] <yofel> BarkingFish: I believe what you want to run is: kdesudo software-properties-kde
[21:54] <jmichaelx> BarkingFish: i don't know why anyone would want kpackagekit back
[21:54]  * yofel neither
[21:54] <jimmy51> i just downloaded digikam on my PC and am trying to import pics from my canon SD500.  i'm getting failure to connect to camera errors, even though digikam has worked for me in the past.  googling shows 5 year old posts indicating a permissions issue but nothing recent.
[21:54] <jimmy51> where should i start?
[21:54] <yofel> kpackagekit sucked here - which was mostly packagkit's fault, not kpackagekit's
[21:54] <BarkingFish> sorry, when you're used to something, you're used to it, you know it backwards, and you know it works.
[21:54]  * jmichaelx also hates packagekit
[21:54] <yofel> BarkingFish: use muon (the package manager)
[21:54] <BarkingFish> and yofel - that's not what I needed
[21:55] <yofel> not the SC
[21:55] <BarkingFish> i just tried it, the features I'm looking for are not there either
[21:55] <yofel> well what do you need? I never remember seeing a pool view in kpackagekit
[21:56] <yofel> "origins" for me a software repositories - which software-properties-kde is for
[21:56] <yofel> s/a/are/
[21:57] <BarkingFish> on the left, the third link, under Software updates, took you to the software properties. There was also a box which popped up listing which deb things you had listed, and checkboxes down the side so you could enable or disable them.  Under it was a button marked "Edit origins"
[21:57] <sburjan`> hello. Does anybody know why I don't have no icon on my desktop even if I have stuff in /home/user/Desktop ?
[21:58] <BarkingFish> sburjan`, You need to right click on the desktop, and select Folder view settings
[21:58] <yofel> sburjan`: you're not using a folder view layout for your desktop, but the standard desktop layout
[21:58] <ufmblan> can anyone offer help on a networking issue on 11
[21:58] <ufmblan> 11.10
[21:59] <jmichaelx> ufmblan: what is the issue?
[21:59] <sburjan`> yofel: I understand, so how can I switch the layout ?
[21:59] <BarkingFish> on the right of the box which pops up, you will see a dropdown marked "Layout", sburjan` - click it and select folder view - apply that, then click on Location on the left
[21:59] <yofel> as BarkingFish said
[21:59] <BarkingFish> the very first button on the right, at the top, says "show desktop folder". Click it, apply it, and your icons will appear on your desktop
[22:00] <jmichaelx> why in the world would phonon(or pulseaudio) have decided to change my default audio device from what i had told it to yesterday?
[22:01] <ufmblan> jmichaelx: tried to enable wireless and caused there to be no network devices available
[22:01] <jmichaelx> ufmblan: is this a fresh install, or an upgrade?
[22:01] <ufmblan> upgrade
[22:02] <sburjan`> BarkingFish: I right-click on desktop, and I have: Run Command, Add WIdgets, Add Panel, Activities, Lock Widgets, Lock Screen, Leave, Desktop Settings
[22:02] <jmichaelx> ufmblan: and your wireles device had been working before the upgrade, i presume?
[22:02] <ufmblan> yeah
[22:02] <yofel> sburjan`: desktop settings
[22:03] <BarkingFish> sburjan`, which version of Kubuntu are you on?
[22:03] <ufmblan> jmichaelx: whenever I upgrade I need to do some driver installing to get the wireless back running
[22:03] <jmichaelx> ufmblan: on each machine that i upgraded, i had to redo my wireless settings in the plasma widgets, as my old one had been lost (pissed me off), but after that, i was back in business.... have you tried to do that?
[22:03] <sburjan`> yofel, BarkingFish: thanks. this is my first time in KDE, sorry for my noobness
[22:03] <jmichaelx> ufmblan: ahh, ok
[22:04] <jmichaelx> ufmblan: what chipset does you wireless device use?
[22:04] <jimmy51> maybe i should ask a different question..... what is an app recommended for Kubuntu users to retrieve and manage digital photos from a camera connected via USB?
[22:04] <BarkingFish> sburjan`, Don't worry. After the changes KDE have made in our new version, a lot of us feel like this is our first time using KDE :)
[22:04] <yofel> jimmy51: there's kamera and digikam
[22:04] <BarkingFish> It certainly seems that way anyhow
[22:04] <ufmblan> jmichaelx: not sure, I'm a noob. broadcom is the name of the driver
[22:05] <jimmy51> yofel: i'm trying to use digikam but it fails to connect to my canon powershot.  it has worked in the past on another kubuntu box i had so i don't know what's going on.
[22:05] <jmichaelx> ufmblan: ok, have you tried to use jockey to find the driver for you?
[22:05] <ufmblan> jmichaelx: no, how do I do that?
[22:06] <yofel> jimmy51: not sure then, can dolphin open the camera?
[22:06] <jmichaelx> ufmblan: look in your menu for something that says 'additional drivers'
[22:06] <yofel> jimmy51: or does the device manager show it?
[22:06] <ufmblan> jmichaelx: I'm the settings for additional drivers, I enable the broadcom driver but I still have no wireless.
[22:07] <jmichaelx> ufmblan: obviously you will need to be connected to a wired network
[22:07] <jmichaelx> ufmblan: ok, you've already been there
[22:07] <jimmy51> yofel: i get the device connected notice in the lower right and can click to mount it.  it shows up as Canon Powershot whatever PTP mode.
[22:07] <jimmy51> it shows no files though.
[22:08] <yofel> hm, not sure then, I usually use a flash reader to copy images
[22:08] <ufmblan> jmixhaelx: yeah. it does nothing. when upgrading to 11.04, I had to do something with the b43 packages in synaptic
[22:08] <jmichaelx> ufmblan: i am going to recommend that you check the forums on this one... you need to have the exact details of your chipset
[22:08] <jmichaelx> ufmblan: is this in a laptop?
[22:08] <ufmblan> jmichaelx: yeah I tried that but nobody responds
[22:08] <ufmblan> yes
[22:09] <jmichaelx> in a terminal, 'lspci | grep -i wireless' should give you the info you need
[22:09] <jmichaelx> ufmblan: you need to search the forums, not start a new thread
[22:10] <ufmblan> jmichaelx: I'm thinking that its something wrong with a package on synaptic. is there any way to restore to default settings?
[22:10] <jmichaelx> ubuntu forums have been trashed by people posting new threads when the answers they seek are already in existing threads
[22:11] <ufmblan> I've looked and found nothing
[22:11] <jmichaelx> ufmblan: you really need to get the details of your card, and look in the forums. there is a %95+ chance your answer is there
[22:11] <jmichaelx> ufmblan: there is a lot more than nothing there
[22:12] <jmichaelx> ufmblan: there are many long threads devoted solely to broadcom wireless issues
[22:16] <phiscibe> ufmblan: maybe the firwares for the driver got left in the dirt for the upgrade
[22:16] <phiscibe> /libs/firware should have something it referecing your driver
[22:16] <jimmy51> yofel: looks to be related to how the SD card is formatted
[22:16] <phiscibe> may be not that excat folder
[22:17] <jimmy51> yofel: i've always used a 1GB card and never had a problem.  it filled up on this vacation so i switched to a 2GB card.
[22:17] <phiscibe> lot of ppl having bugs, im trying to post some of the solutions and gotchas this release,,,http://kubuntu-experince.blogspot.com/
[22:17] <jimmy51> yofel: the camera read it and formatted it, but looking at the folder structure it's different than the 1GB stick... it created two stores with their own DCIM folder in them.
[22:23] <winut_> seems like muon is still buggy, sorry to say
[22:24] <yrushi> hello, is there a theme for wine that makes it look like KDE?
[22:24] <winut_> i guess is should just stick with synaptic or command line
[22:26] <winut> what is the apt command i need to run if i kill muon?
[22:26] <yrushi> sudo apt-get install packagename
[22:26] <winut> muon is stuck at 53%
[22:27] <winut> if i kill it i need to run an apt command, not that
[22:27] <yrushi> oh
[22:27] <winut> i was told what it was some time ago on this forum
[22:27] <yrushi> is it sudo apt-get --reinstall install packagename
[22:28] <winut> because it happened on my dads pc
[22:28] <winut> muon suck iimo
[22:30] <BarkingFish> winut, amen to that.
[22:31] <winut> it looks promising but it gets stuck
[22:31] <winut> also it only shows minimal amounts of package information at a glance
[22:31] <winut> apt is so simple it hard to believe its possible to mess that up!
[22:32] <yofel> winut: sudo dpkg --configure -a
[22:32] <yofel> sudo apt-get install -f
[22:32] <winut> thanks yofel
[22:32] <yofel> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[22:32] <yrushi> is there a wine theme that integrates with kde??
[22:32] <jmichaelx> kubuntu had adept, then went to kpackagekit, now muon.... i am sure there was at least one other
[22:34] <claydoh> there was ksynaptics, adept, adept2, kpk (naow called apper) and muon
[22:34] <jmichaelx> yofel: if aptitude does not work well with multi-arch, what are people supposed to do in server environments?
[22:34] <jmichaelx> i guess muti-arch just has to be disabled?
[22:35] <yofel> yep
[22:35]  * claydoh loves muon, 
[22:35] <jmichaelx> good grief
[22:35] <yofel> I don't think there's much use for mulitarch right now except skype and flash
[22:35] <jmichaelx> ahh
[22:35] <yofel> and we have flash64 in partner
[22:35] <jmichaelx> makes sense
[22:35] <winut> hello
[22:36] <winut> ok, it work. i was trying to paste an error
[22:36] <yofel> jmichaelx: you'll have a /etc/dpkg/dpkg.conf.d/multiarch IIRC, edit that and comment the line in there out
[22:36] <yofel> something like foreign-architecture i386
[22:36] <winut> debconf/config.dat is locked by another process: Resource temporarily unavailable
[22:37] <jmichaelx> yofel: ty.... i was planning on upgrading a few servers to oneiric sometime soon
[22:38] <winut> it hasn't finished yet but i thought i should check that error with you. i ran pkill muon and pkill dpkg
[22:38] <winut> then yofels commmand
[22:38] <winut> in sudo also
[22:38] <yrushi> Also, I need to run NuCalc 2.0 under wine.
[22:40] <jmichaelx> does anyone here know how to get the actual hardware devices to show up in phonon, not just 'pulseaudio server'?
[22:41] <altin> how can I stop KATE text editor to make backups whenever I save something ?
[22:42] <avihay> altin: in kate settings
[22:43] <altin> avihay: searched there dont seem to find it ?
[22:43] <altin> can you be more specific please !
[22:43] <yrushi> open/save
[22:43] <avihay> editor component->open/save->advanced->save on backup->remove tick form local files and remote files
[22:44] <avihay> altin: maybe
[22:44] <altin> great
[22:45] <altin> thanks :)
[23:07] <MaximLevitsky> What to do about GTK3 applications in kubuntu?
[23:08] <phiscibe> run em?
[23:09] <MaximLevitsky> They all show ugly fallback theme
[23:09] <MaximLevitsky> I don't mind them use default ubuntu theme or so, but not that ugly theme
[23:11] <phiscibe> how did u get gtk3 stuff in kubuntu?
[23:11] <MaximLevitsky> How, simple I use some gnome apps
[23:11] <MaximLevitsky> like gedit for example
[23:12] <MaximLevitsky> They are all gtk3 now
[23:12] <yofel> there's gtk3-engines-unico
[23:12] <yofel> don't ask me how to use it though if it doesn't work by just installing
[23:12] <MaximLevitsky> I don't mind that
[23:12] <phiscibe> just asking, alot of ppl come in there with a mix of kde and gnome and have no idea what happened
[23:12] <yofel> oxygen gtk3 isn't out yet
[23:13] <MaximLevitsky> All I need is to control the theme
[23:13] <MaximLevitsky> without gnome-settings-daemon
[23:13] <phiscibe> hmm
[23:13] <MaximLevitsky> I did google that bit
[23:13] <MaximLevitsky> nothing working so far
[23:14] <phiscibe> gnome-tweak-tool  maybe
[23:15] <MaximLevitsky> pulls gnome-shell... buts its ok, I take at look at it later
[23:16] <MaximLevitsky> assholes.... Removing gddccontrol...
[23:16] <jmma> phiscibe, I use lxappearance to change gnome theme applications.
[23:16] <MaximLevitsky> I use that tool!
[23:20] <MaximLevitsky> nope lxappearence affects gtk2
[23:20] <MaximLevitsky> I'll look at that later myself I think
[23:20] <jmichaelx> yofel: apparently the biggest problem i am running into is that phon settings are lost upon rebooting
[23:20] <MaximLevitsky> really, gnome just went rogue to all of us. I used so much time and it was quite nice
[23:20] <yofel> that should not happen o.O
[23:20] <jmichaelx> phonon*
[23:21] <MaximLevitsky> I guess I traded my freedom for stable system....
[23:21] <MaximLevitsky> And now its time to take that back
[23:21] <yofel> jmichaelx: any files under .kde/ owned by root?
[23:21]  * yofel is guessing...
[23:21] <jmichaelx> yofel: nope, but that was a good guess
[23:22] <jmichaelx> is there a way to stop the warnings about nepomuk?
[23:22] <yofel> MaximLevitsky: here's a snippet from the oxygen gtk3 readme, maybe something like that needs to be done for the other theme too: http://paste.kde.org/134215
[23:23] <yofel> jmichaelx: if you disabled it - not that I know of
[23:24] <MaximLevitsky> problem is that I don't have .config/gtk-3.0
[23:24] <yofel> MaximLevitsky: create it
[23:24] <jmichaelx> yofel: so if a person disables it, you must get greeted by popups in each new session letting you know that a service you disabled is disabled?
[23:24] <MaximLevitsky> I created it a moment ago
[23:24] <MaximLevitsky> I suspect ubuntu doesn't use it
[23:25] <yofel> jmichaelx: it's not for all services, just that kde really doesn't want you to disable nepomuk, as it's used a lot these days
[23:25] <jmichaelx> :-(
[23:25] <yofel> MaximLevitsky: they probably use gsettings/dconf
[23:25] <jmichaelx> it is also widely disliked
[23:25] <yofel> jmichaelx: I don't have any problems these days keeping it on
[23:25] <yofel> even strigi works mostly fine
[23:26] <jmichaelx> yofel: ok, i will follow you and turn it back on
[23:26] <Torch> jmichaelx: turn off the search indexer and you should not have problems with nepomuk
[23:26] <jmichaelx> i had been very bothered by the amount of system resources it had been using
[23:26] <jmichaelx> Torch: ty
[23:26] <yofel> strigi usually uses a lot of resources
[23:26] <yofel> nepomuk only in combination with akonadi, if you've got akonadi_nepomuk_email_feeder on
[23:26] <yofel> *that* is heavy
[23:27] <MaximLevitsky> yofel: nope, nothing in dconf-editer ether
[23:27] <yofel> :/
[23:28] <oxymoron> Hmm, is it only me or doesnt muon works? It asks for authorization all the time. Then I discovered logout, restart etc in kickoff doesnt work? :S
[23:28] <oxymoron> And xine was removed on upgrade, which made my sound doesnt work AGAIN.
[23:28] <yofel> the authorization part is polkit-kde which is a bit buggy indeed
[23:28] <yofel> restart etc. works fine here
[23:29] <yofel> and we use gstreamer these days
[23:29] <oxymoron> when I press restart nothing happens for me :S
[23:29] <MaximLevitsky> So gddcontrol is removed from ubuntu
[23:29] <MaximLevitsky> assholes
[23:30] <oxymoron> yofel: Yeah I use gstreamer, but I dont know never EVER worked for me, always end up with xine as Alsa and Gstreamer never works and/or someone breaks it.
[23:30] <yofel> try the vlc backend?
[23:30] <oxymoron> yofel: Tried as well, doesnt work either ...
[23:31] <oxymoron> Then I installed xine, but this time it doesnt appear in Phonon settings ... so cannot switch.
[23:31] <jmichaelx> once pulseaudio has been removed, and phonon set to use the corret devices, is there anything else that needs to be done? i am still gettings errors telling me that i have no sound driver
[23:32] <Torch> oxymoron: you need the phonon xine backend, not just xine (in fact i'm not sure if you need xine itself at all for the backend)
[23:32] <oxymoron> Torch: I tried kde.config-phonon-xine, but doesnt seem to be it :P
[23:33] <oxymoron> installed libxine1 and that, doesnt work.
[23:34] <MaximLevitsky> Folks, what do you think about other KDE distros?
[23:34] <oxymoron> As matter of fact, when trying to change settings nothing seems to be saved. For instance tried to update file associations, ifinite update loop, that reaches 100 percent, then starts over xD
[23:34] <MaximLevitsky> Especially that follow kde development closely
[23:35] <MaximLevitsky> openSUSE? its community distro now?
[23:35] <MaximLevitsky> who backs it?
[23:36] <MaximLevitsky> Arch? is this good distro?
[23:37] <Torch> oxymoron: try with a new user?
[23:37] <oxymoron> Torch: What you mean new user?
[23:38] <Torch> oxymoron: create a new user account and see if that fixes it
[23:38] <oxymoron> Torch: Wonder, cruiosity, why would that help?
[23:38] <Torch> oxymoron: either your install is hosed or your account
[23:39] <oxymoron> Torch: Alright, well I give it ago if I manage to create new user ... maybe not work as other bugs :P
[23:40] <phiscibe> oxymoron: military intelligence
[23:48] <jmichaelx> yofel: in case you were interested, a person needs to set the pulseaudio device in pavu
[23:48] <yofel> *sigh*
[23:48] <jmichaelx> just knowing that would have saved me a few freaking hours
[23:48] <jmichaelx> all's well that ends well
[23:48] <jmichaelx> lol
[23:48] <yofel> I would've expected kmix to be intelligent enough to do that these days -.-
[23:49] <oxymoron> Torch: Wasnt able to login ... it required to change pass when login. But the change password dialog locked me out ...
[23:49] <oxymoron> is there any upstream packages to update all bugs "stable" version has?
[23:50] <jmichaelx> yofel: i'm not sure how much power kmix has over pulseaudio
[23:50] <yofel> less than it should
[23:54] <PrivateReese> hmm sorry somebody on who can tell me what to do next if registered at launchpad an requested to be a ubuntu-mirror?
[23:56] <PrivateReese> ubuntu wiki has very less information