[00:00] <necreo> yea
[00:00] <necreo> figured
[00:00] <bazhang> correct
[00:42] <famgod> can someone cut/paste their /usr/share/applications/totem.desktop in pastebin.com for me please?
[00:42] <famgod> i accidently deleted mine
[00:44] <bazhang> famgod, for 11.10?
[00:45] <famgod> its alright, i got it from someone else
[00:45] <famgod> thanks anyway
[00:45] <bazhang> famgod, #ubuntu for 11.10 and other released versions
[01:50] <Fudge> hi wondering if someone hear could tell me when lucid 10.04.4 will be released?
[01:52] <jbicha> Fudge: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule
[01:57] <Fudge> jbicha  thks very much
[02:02] <Fudge> mm january 26, australia day :d
[05:28] <SetiAmon> Yo
[05:28] <SetiAmon> who here has soundproblems?
[05:28] <SetiAmon> particularly no sound in youtube/flash
[06:17] <boritek> hello. After upgrade I have metacity instead of compiz. After compiz --replace I have compiz but with 2 unity left-side-panel. How can I fix this??
[07:04] <zhiwei> ...
[08:30] <marie> should I upgrade to 11.10
[08:33] <marie> or should I stick with the devil I know
[08:33] <jasef> 11.10 :P
[08:33] <th_> if it ain't broken, break it!
[08:33] <jasef> But bt w, this is the support channel for 12.04 now :3
[08:33] <marie> lol
[08:34] <marie> bit early for 12.04 is it not?
[08:35] <marie> been very happy with maverick, but have some doubts
[08:36] <marie> tried 11.10 and had some network issue's
[08:37] <marie> what is the channel for 11.10
[08:38] <oCean> marie: now 11.10 is released, support is in the general #ubuntu channel
[08:38] <marie> thank you oCean
[10:27] <jasef>  
[13:42] <maizuddin35> hellooo. does anyone here, uses ati graphic card with gnome shell installed?
[13:42] <maizuddin35> Well, I have my 'not-so-old-laptop' installed ubuntu and uses gnome-shell and it work so smoothly!
[13:43] <maizuddin35> in other hand, my desktop pc, has ati graphic card driver installed but has some graphic problem when using gnome-shell.
[13:46] <penguin42> maizuddin35: Which version of Ubuntu are you using?
[13:46] <maizuddin35> the latest version. 11.10
[13:46] <penguin42> ok, support for 11.10 is in #ubuntu, this channel is always for the next version of Ubuntu
[13:46] <maizuddin35> btw , now im using my laptop
[13:46] <maizuddin35> ohh!
[13:46] <maizuddin35> sorry
[13:46] <penguin42> no problem
[13:46] <maizuddin35> going to next channel
[13:47] <popey> 13
[13:47] <popey> bah!
[13:47] <maizuddin35> thanks for the info
[13:47] <maizuddin35> so embarrassing mannn.
[16:25] <sharpshooter> Haii all !! I  install kubuntu desktop in my ubuntu 11.10 box ...and I need to uninstall the kubuntu desktop
[16:26] <magn3ts> IS there an API for adding to the system settings panel in 11.10?
[16:37] <meerkats> i assume this is the channel for 12.04...
[16:37] <jussi> yep
[16:37] <meerkats> lol
[16:37] <jussi> hehe, accidental pm
[16:38] <meerkats> np
[16:40] <mrdeb> so whati s good with 1204
[16:42] <mrdeb> i hear the scroller bars will be bigger
[16:53] <Linux_Guy> 12.04 looks interesting, the ability in 11.10 to have unity shell and gnome shell is nice and I hope that remains in the new LTS
[19:06] <FernandoMiguel> evening
[19:27] <thenickperson> I'm on 11.10 from the betas, but now that it's stable, what should I do to upgrade to 11.10 stable and keep with the stable updates?
[19:28] <jtaylor> just continue updating as usual
[19:29] <thenickperson> so, I leave things as is?
[19:29] <FernandoMiguel> !final | thenickperson
[19:29] <FernandoMiguel> humm thenickperson try #ubuntu for 11.10
[19:29] <FernandoMiguel> this # is meant for us crazy ppl on 12.04
[19:30]  * FernandoMiguel checks for updates
[19:30] <jtaylor> the crazyness will only start monday when the syncs are fixed :)
[19:30] <thenickperson> nothing new to install according to apt-get
[19:31] <thenickperson> does this mean I'm ready to upgrade to 12.04, or it's staying on 11.10?
[19:31] <FernandoMiguel> hum??
[19:31] <jtaylor> its staying on 11.10
[19:31] <FernandoMiguel> what are you running ??
[19:31] <thenickperson> thanks
[19:31] <thenickperson> 11.10, from the betas of it
[19:31] <jtaylor> you can only go to 12.04 by editing the sources.list at this time
[19:31] <thenickperson> thanks
[19:31] <FernandoMiguel> I'm sooooo happy to have apt-changes back!!!!
[19:31] <FernandoMiguel> Need to get 41.0 MB of archives. After unpacking 9,943 kB will be freed.
[19:31] <FernandoMiguel> Current status: 38 updates [+12].
[19:31] <jtaylor> it was gone?
[19:32] <FernandoMiguel> jtaylor: for two cycles
[19:32] <FernandoMiguel> I got it back on debian  two weeks ago
[19:32] <FernandoMiguel> and when I upgraded to precise
[19:33] <jtaylor> hm what is apt-changes? mixed it up with listchanges
[19:34] <FernandoMiguel> yeah, listchanges....
[19:36] <jtaylor> so what is apt-changes?
[19:39] <FernandoMiguel> a typo
[19:39] <FernandoMiguel> I'm really tired ;)
[19:39] <jtaylor> so whats back thenß
[19:39]  * FernandoMiguel ?O?
 I'm sooooo happy to have apt-changes back
[19:42] <FernandoMiguel> apt-listchanges: Mailing root: apt-listchanges: changelogs for BluBUG
[19:42] <jtaylor> apt-listchanges was never gone for me
[19:43] <jtaylor> been using it the whole cycle
[19:44] <FernandoMiguel> never worked for me
[19:44] <FernandoMiguel> te entire circke
[19:45] <FernandoMiguel> *cicle
[20:12] <wolter> can I install ubuntu from a harddisk
[20:15] <FernandoMiguel> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation
[20:15] <FernandoMiguel> !disk
[20:27] <FernandoMiguel> humm I can login into launchpad but not the wiki
[20:27] <FernandoMiguel> wth
[20:27] <FernandoMiguel> bjsnider: honest question: what are you planing to do with your improved wiki page?
 (expanded from <fernandomiguel@ubuntu.com>): User
[20:54] <FernandoMiguel>    unknown in virtual alias table
[20:54] <FernandoMiguel> anyone care to point me where I can report problems with the email accounts?
[20:54] <FernandoMiguel> or at least file a bug?
[20:55] <FernandoMiguel> someone those point https://xkcd.com/936/ to Ubuntu/Canonical SSO devs :(
[20:57] <jtaylor> why?
[21:02] <FernandoMiguel> cause requiring long passwords with numbers and caps letters *isn't  safer than my regular long but simpler passwords jtaylor
[21:03] <jtaylor> what are their requirements?
[21:03] <jtaylor> it isn't less safe either if done right
[21:04] <FernandoMiguel> jtaylor: see the xkcd.... it's pretty clear
[21:05] <jtaylor> number caps passwords are perfectly safe
[21:05] <jtaylor> its just harder to remember
[21:05] <penguin42> I do like the posters....
[21:06]  * FernandoMiguel almost gives up on loginin into the wiki
[21:06]  * yofel uses one short cryptic part in all his passwords that's allways the same and then adds a long plain part
[21:06] <yofel> not too hard to remember :)
[21:06]  * FernandoMiguel tries FF after a clean Chromium profile 
[21:07] <FernandoMiguel> yofel: I change my pasword algo every few months
[21:07] <FernandoMiguel> almost no site/service shares the same password
[21:07] <jtaylor> I use a password manager :P
[21:07] <yofel> good idea
[21:07] <FernandoMiguel> jtaylor: I'm a premium member of lastpass
[21:07] <jtaylor> = no sit same password and each has 32 bit of randomness
[21:07] <jtaylor> bytes not bit
[21:07] <yofel> I had to dump one of mines because the wine folks sent me a mail that someone hacked their DB :(
[21:08] <FernandoMiguel> yofel: see why I don't cross-share passwords?
[21:08] <yofel> indeed
[21:08] <FernandoMiguel> in that case I can just change *one* password
[21:09] <ior3k> http://passwordmaker.org
[21:09] <FernandoMiguel> worse case, pick a new algo and change everysite again
[21:09] <ior3k> (back to lurking)
[21:10] <FernandoMiguel> ior3k: "for you to retrieve but no one else" SPOF, plus define "you"
[21:12] <jtaylor> spof but also only a single point of use
[21:12] <jtaylor> so no problem
[21:13] <jtaylor> thats actually an interesting idea
[21:13]  * FernandoMiguel reads on
[21:13] <jtaylor> should be simple to do that in my password manager too
[21:14] <FernandoMiguel> funny... this is very similar to what I do
[21:14] <FernandoMiguel> I create a pattern and apply it to a site/service based on name, domain or subdomain
[21:16] <Patrickdk> hmm, odd, the channel isn't locked down?
[21:16] <jtaylor> ?
[21:16] <FernandoMiguel> Patrickdk: gladly no
[21:16] <FernandoMiguel> and I'm using 12.04
[21:17] <Patrickdk> normally the channel goes into no join/notalk mode till devel release
[21:17] <FernandoMiguel> then again *every* cycle before it has been
[21:17] <Patrickdk> how can you use 12.04? I don't think the repo's exist yet
[21:17] <jtaylor> Patrickdk: precise is already available
[21:17] <FernandoMiguel> yes there are
[21:17] <Patrickdk> odd
[21:17] <FernandoMiguel> jtaylor: for the last 3 cycles repos are available one day after release
[21:17] <FernandoMiguel> but the # is closed
[21:18] <jtaylor> oneiric cycle not
[21:18] <jtaylor> that was only open after UDS
[21:18] <FernandoMiguel> and all before
[21:18] <jtaylor> or shortly before
[21:18] <FernandoMiguel> I know, I'm always locked off
[21:18] <FernandoMiguel> was glad to see it open for this cycle :D
[21:20] <yofel> I never quite understood why they closed it in the first place
[21:20] <FernandoMiguel> me neither
[21:20] <FernandoMiguel> I'm always running devel
[21:21] <FernandoMiguel> rolling distro ftw
[21:21] <FernandoMiguel> lol
[21:21] <yofel> hehe
[21:21] <yofel> I'll stay on stable for 2 weeks or so for SRU testing, then I'll go precise
[21:23] <FernandoMiguel> yofel: already there.....
[21:23] <FernandoMiguel> considering a clean wipe or debian
[21:23]  * yofel figured as much :P
[21:23] <FernandoMiguel> but but but debian is so ugly
[22:01] <tcnk> hi all! can help? why after upgrade to 11.10 appear message like this: "ERROR: ld.so: object '/usr/lib/libv4l/v4l1compat.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored"
[22:02] <bazhang> tcnk, #ubuntu for that