[00:05] <urlin2u> holstein, you around
[00:12] <philipballew> The Dude Is Not In
[00:12] <Drecondius> HELP, I can connect wirelessly in Kubuntu but not in Ubuntu to my home network !!
[00:13] <philipballew> Drecondius, calm down
[00:13] <philipballew> I can attempt to help :)
[00:13] <Drecondius> only one issue, i couldn't get internet in the os so im in windows right now
[00:14] <Drecondius> and running an ethernet cable atm is not viable
[00:14] <philipballew> so your tripple booting?
[00:14] <Drecondius> were
[00:15] <Drecondius> kubuntu was too buggy so i replaced it with Ubuntu
[00:15] <Drecondius> again
[00:15] <Drecondius> rather kde was too buggy and kept crashing on my rig.
[00:15] <philipballew> ok, so what your saying is ubuntu does not get you wireless?
[00:15] <philipballew> but does it get internet via ethernet?
[00:16] <Drecondius> doesn't accept my password to log in, keeps paging my wireless card as if it is constantly connecting and disconnecting.
[00:16] <Drecondius> Yes I have internet with other wired comps in my home
[00:17] <Drecondius> This particular comp though doesn't have a wired connection due to distance issues from the router
[00:17] <Drecondius> it's 51 feet away
[00:17] <Drecondius> and I only have a 50 foot cable
[00:17] <philipballew> well if your ununtu install is not getting a wifi connecting but id getting a cable connection. boot into there and lets talk when your hardwired
[00:18] <philipballew> *is
[00:18] <philipballew> so we can troubleshoot?
[00:19] <Drecondius> think on this for a min while i get everything set up, the live os and installation has internet. just not after I install.
[00:19] <Drecondius> I shall return momentarily
[00:19] <philipballew> ok. well I want to talk to you on a installed copy of ubuntu with out wifi so we can troubleshoot if possible
[00:20] <Drecondius> I'll have to reinstall
[00:20] <philipballew> how so?
[00:20] <Drecondius> i wiped grub by accident and lost my connection to the hd with the os installed
[00:21] <Drecondius> it'll only take 30 mins to reinstall
[00:21] <dave__> since installing 11.10,power saving mode will not shut off
[00:21] <Drecondius> if that, speedy hd
[00:21] <holstein> urlin2u: pong
[00:21] <philipballew> well if its a fresh install its probably easier to reinstall
[00:21] <Drecondius> yup
[00:21] <philipballew> reloading grub can be done, but just re install if you want
[00:21] <Drecondius> plus i don't have to split the partition this time lol
[00:22] <philipballew> go for it!
[00:22] <philipballew> and then we'll see why its not working.
[00:22] <Drecondius> kk, is there any way to chat from inside the live environment while ubuntu installs again?
[00:23] <Drecondius> i know i can in kubuntu but .... well that wouldn't be feasible for this particular issue now would it lol
[00:23] <philipballew> yeah. you can
[00:23] <urlin2u> holstein, hey man I'm going to see the stickman and adrian belew's power trio tonight, Tony levin and paul mastelato, and another s chapman stick player in the stickman, three mebers of Kink cromson yah who.
[00:23] <Drecondius> back in a few
[00:23] <urlin2u> knig*
[00:23] <holstein> nice urlin2u :)
[00:23] <philipballew> dave__, is this a bug anywhere?
[00:23] <urlin2u> holstein, let the poyrhytmic cirus begin.
[00:23] <holstein> hehe
[00:24] <dave__> i don`t know
[00:25] <urlin2u> holstein, I'm so excited I can hardly spell, this is time off from the college work for me.
[00:25] <philipballew> dave__, I would see if anyone sees it. but thats just me
[00:28] <urlin2u> here is a yutube of the stickmen for all.
[00:28] <urlin2u> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWrPNY-XgLY
[00:32] <Drecondius> i feel STUPID now
[00:32] <zeroseven0183> Why Drecondius?
[00:33] <Drecondius> I think I may have been typing my wireless password wrong this whole time.
[00:33] <zeroseven0183> I see. Don't mind it. You're already connected now.
[00:34] <holstein> Drecondius: you shouldnt feel stupid... this is linux, you should feel intimidated ;)
[00:34] <Drecondius> I'm not intimidated by far
[00:34] <philipballew> Drecondius, I have done it to.
[00:34] <philipballew> Ubuntu is peretty easy these days
[00:34] <Drecondius> I enjoy working with linux and learning. It's what we were born to do ... Learn from our mistakes.
[00:35] <philipballew> I remember installing 6.10. took me weeks to figure out what to do
[00:35] <philipballew> 3 days to get internet to my box
[00:35] <Drecondius> I didn't have much trouble with 6.10 until it came to running World of Warcraft ..... then I was completely Dumbfounded by what I had to do.
[00:36] <Drecondius> course i didn't have wireless then so ....
[00:37] <Drecondius> from what i've read on the forums I would have been pretty much on my own.
[02:53] <kidsodateless> !seen kid
[02:53] <ubot2> I have no seen command
[04:32] <wiseqnet> fakap, unable to install 11.10 on my oldie machine
[04:33] <holstein> probably something to do with the graphics card
[04:34] <holstein> im sure theres a way to get to the old 'safe graphics' mode somehow
[04:34] <wiseqnet> holstein, i'll found te solutions
[04:35] <wiseqnet> do U have any ideas for now?
[04:35] <holstein> yeah, i would try to force safe graphics mode
[04:36] <holstein> force the vesa driver
[04:37] <wiseqnet> how could U forc it
[04:37] <holstein> well, used to be you would hit F4 or F6
[04:37] <holstein> then, you had to hit shift... you can also make an xorg.conf file and put it in place
[04:37] <holstein> how about we google it :)
[04:39] <wiseqnet> yeah, google will tell us..
[04:39] <holstein> wiseqnet: see if there is an option in the live CD
[04:39] <holstein> when its first booting up, you should be able to hit shift
[04:39] <holstein> then, you should get the older menu
[04:40] <holstein> you should then be able to hit F4 or F6 and select a safe graphics mode
[04:40] <holstein> nomodeset i believe its called
[04:40] <wiseqnet> holstein, thx for adviced
[09:28] <AJH101> Hi - just installed 11.10 - how do i get back to gnome desktop please?
[12:41] <neil1> Hello. I have just tried Ubuntu 11.10, both an upgrade and a clean installation. Again my graphics card is not supported properly. I had similar problems with 11.04 and it was only during the last 3 months of 11.04 that driveras
[12:43] <neil1> ...sorry, accidental press.....that drivers that almost work were found. I have decided to abandon Ubuntu and go with a version of Linux that has rolling updates instead of upgrades every 6 months. I am think about Arch Linux. Can anyone comment on this? I am hoping to get my computer set up the way I like it and then hopefully it will be rare for me to have to fix anything because of an update breaking somethings.
[12:57] <amjjawad> so you guys know TeoBigusGeekus?
[14:04] <holstein> neil1: you might want to consider abandoning hardware that is not supporting linus as well
[14:05] <holstein> i get a little frustrated with the 6 month cycle
[14:05] <holstein> i feel like the long term support releases get abandoned a bit
[14:05] <holstein> but, that is also what drives the innovation forward, and makes momentum happen as a team
[14:18] <neil1> Hi Holstein, it has been a few weeks since we last spoke. At the moment the machine I use the most is an Emachines ER1401 mini pc. It is a bit like a laptop, but without a keyboard, screen and touchpad. It is a good low power ( low electricity usage) device with enough computational power for most of my needs. It is rare for me to use my quad core desktop these days. So as my primary machine has integrated graphics, I cannot si
[14:20] <neil1> Sorry about my bad typing. For some reason with the latest Ubuntu I cannot see what I am typing when using Pigeon....something to do with the graphics not being set up properly perhaps?
[14:22] <holstein> if the vendor doesnt make drivers for linux, or release information on how drivers can be built, you can have a challenging time
[14:22] <holstein> neil1: you can always force the vesa driver
[14:22] <holstein> you can put a custom xorg.conf file in place
[14:23] <holstein> you can take that custome xorg.conf with you to the newer versions of buntu or whatever
[14:24] <holstein> on trickier, older, or unsupported hardware, i'll take a few live CD's, such as knoppix, and see how the graphics look live, and take that xorg.conf file from there for use with whatever OS i end up using
[14:24] <neil1> Yes, I realise it is largely a problem with the manufacturers of hardware supporting only windows and Apple software and giving very little attention to Linux
[14:25] <holstein> ?
[14:25] <holstein> largely?
[14:25] <holstein> that *is* the problem
[14:25] <neil1> largely = mainly...a bit colloquial perhaps.
[14:25] <holstein> the other issue can be you have something older that is not supported by the current kernel
[14:25] <holstein> but, that can always be added in
[14:26] <holstein> still, the vesa driver will work
[14:26] <holstein> you might want to consider a lower-spec base
[14:26] <holstein> such as lubuntu or xubuntu
[14:27] <holstein> and as far as the 6 month release cycle, im running 10.04 most places, and dont plan on upgrading til 12.04
[14:27] <neil1> As far as I know my primary PC, the emachines ER1401 was designed less than 18 months ago, so it is not old, althought the chipset and graphics combination of this machine is a little  unusual.
[14:27] <holstein> OK
[14:28] <holstein> im just saying old becuase thats what i read from your statement... appologies
[14:30] <neil1> That's ok. Perhaps I did not explain myself very well. The main reason my Emachines ER1401 is my primary PC is because it uses only 22 watts on average. It is always on as my media centre PC, my bittorent pc and my internet communications device. Electricity is now quite expensive in The UK, so it is good to use a machine that uses very little electricity.
[14:31] <holstein> sure... so, you'll need to search by vendor and model on the graphics card, see if there are bugs in place, and add to them if you can
[14:32] <holstein> or, just install the LTS's and relax a bit
[14:32] <holstein> OR, just run the vesa driver
[14:32] <holstein> switch to whatever distro you want, but typically with the major distros, if hardware can be supported, it is
[14:33] <holstein> even if you plan on wiping out buntu right now, i think it would be educational to see what the issue is exactly
[14:38] <neil1> I am tempted to just go back to Ubuntu 10.04. After I remove what I do not like, for example Evolution and install what I do like, Thunderbird in my case for Email it works well. I agree that finding and solving problems is more educational than just switching distro, but what I want is little or no maintenance after installing updates. The six months cycle of having to spend time fixing things and perhaps waiting weeks for a d
[14:40] <holstein> neil1: make your self a live CD with something like remastersys or the ubuntu customisation kit or whatever.. chroot... then you just do that customization one time, and you have your own buntu
[14:45] <neil1> Thanks. I already have the backup side of things covered well. Remastersys is great for making a disc for friends, but all personal stuff is removed, so email accounts, Ubuntu 1 accounts and other things have to be set up again. A bootable CD of Acronis True image made on a Windows setup serves my backup and restoration needs very well. Holstein, what you say is good while remaining with a particular distribution. But whether i
[14:50] <neil1> What interests me about a rolling distribution is that it will be easier to find out which update breaks which package. It takes only about 10  minutes for making an image of my hard drive before installing updates. If something then stops working then with rolling  updates very few updates are installed each week and I have some idea of what causes things to break. With the 6 months cycle Ubuntu uses so many things are changed
[14:52] <neil1> Sorry, I meant to say a rolling update version of Linux, not a rolling update version of Ubuntu.
[16:43] <holstein> neil1: theres actually 2 different ways to run remastersys
[16:44] <holstein> one where you make a live CD for your friends, and the other with your distro
[16:44] <holstein> either way, im just suggesting you use that tool to make a live CD of the install after you have it customized like you had said
[16:44] <holstein> so that you dont have to spend that time re-customizing each time
[16:45] <holstein> neil1: there are lots of rolling release distros
[16:45] <holstein> when i was commenting about rolling releases vs the ubuntu every 6 month cycle, thats what i was comparing
[16:47] <holstein> theres really only one way to know for sure, and thats try both and see for yourself
[16:47] <holstein> both systems have positives and negatives, and both systems will have opportunities to break your graphics drivers
[16:48] <holstein> with tricky systmes like that (and i oppologize for repeating myself) i usually just run the latest LTS, and enjoy it in a more predictable way for the support term
[17:36] <raju> how could i know that my graphics drivers are installed o working properly
[17:39] <dangertux> raju,  what type of graphics card?
[17:40] <raju> Itel
[17:40] <raju> intel
[17:41] <raju> dangertux:  i wil be back to you with pastebin link
[17:41] <dangertux> raju,  ok
[17:41] <raju> dangertux: http://pastebin.com/C5bn7uPP
[17:42] <dangertux> raju, what version of Ubuntu are you running?
[17:43] <raju> 11.10 Xubuntu & 11.04 Ubuntu
[17:43] <raju> dangertux: ^^
[17:43] <dangertux> raju, is there any reason you think they're not functioning? IE: Is compositing not working?
[17:44] <raju> dangertux: sorry! i am just curious to know. i googled about them but got nothing
[17:45] <dangertux> raju, no problem I'm just making sure. You can use the lsmod command to see what driver modules are loaded
[17:45] <dangertux> raju, so for instance lsmod | grep video or lsmod | grep VGA would show this
[17:46] <raju> dangertux:  typed lsmod in terminal
[17:46] <raju> ok ok
[17:46] <raju> dangertux: video                  18908  1 i915
[17:46] <dangertux> raju, I'm not the best with graphics drivers but my general rule of thumb is so long as it does what I need it to I don't question them lol. If you start having problems then I would question it.
[17:47] <dangertux> raju,  that is the intel driver, it would appear your drivers are loaded properly
[17:47] <raju> one more , may i ?
[17:47] <dangertux> raju, what's that?
[17:47] <raju> if its not loaded properly then how its gonna look like ?
[17:48] <dangertux> raju, usually there will be a generic framebuffer driver in its place
[17:48] <dangertux> raju, for instance fbdev
[17:48] <raju> fbdev?
[17:49] <dangertux> raju, that is a driver that is commonly used to get unsupported cards to a graphical interface. It is generic and does not support 3d acceleration or compositing.
[17:50] <raju> dangertux:  Oh ok .so for example my drivers not loaded properly then am i able to find them from lsmod | grep vedio , is it gonna give null values at there ?
[17:52] <dangertux> raju, if it were able to load a GUI some driver would be used. If the intel driver were not properly loaded the output of the command might have said something like vesa or fbdev or generic instead of i915
[17:53] <raju> now i got it dangertux , thank you very much
[17:54] <dangertux> raju, no problem you might find this information useful in your search as well https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Video
[17:56] <raju> dangertux:  yeah i think it can help me for more information
[23:23] <beto> hello :)
[23:25] <beto> I wonder if there is anyone who can help me out, I am having problems with a fresh 11.10 ubuntu
[23:41] <holstein> beto: im about to run out, but familiarize yourself with the topic, and just ask your question :)
[23:41] <beto> holstein: Tks, I'll do it :)
[23:43] <bodhizazen> beto, what problem ?
[23:43] <beto> the problem is I can't change resolution, I know I have to use xrandr first message is: ""
[23:43] <bodhizazen> what video card ?
[23:44] <beto> nvidia geforce mx4000
[23:44] <beto> "Failed to get size of gamma for output default"
[23:45] <beto> only resolution is 800x600
[23:49] <beto> Tried xrandr newmode with a gtf modeline and xrandr shows at the end "1024x768_75.00 (0x10c)   82.0MHz"