[00:54] <DoctorPepper> hi guys !!
[00:57] <DoctorPepper> agateau:  are you awake ?
[02:26] <jsimmons> So what's the deal with pkg-config and lib/lib64
[02:26] <jsimmons> should .pc files not be installed underneath there, actually is lib64 used at all anymore?
[07:29] <htorque> good morning, everyone! can anyone explain to me, why the package 'emerald' has been removed from oneiric due to FTBFS, when that version seems to have been successfully built?
[07:29] <htorque> see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/emerald/0.8.8-0ubuntu1
[07:38] <jbicha> htorque: bug 831111
[07:41] <htorque> jbicha: oh, so something *after* that upload changed in oneiric that broke emerald?
[08:14] <jbicha> htorque: yes, quite a few FTBFS issues are for packages that did build at one time
[08:15] <htorque> jbicha: k, that makes sense. just never have seen a package getting kicked out because of that before. thanks!
[10:11] <valavanisalex> Hi All, just wanted to check that the new Debian package of espresso will auto-sync into Precise.  There was an old Ubuntu package with the same name, that was deleted long ago: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/espresso/+publishinghistory
[10:24] <tumbleweed> valavanisalex: It's not entirely automatic, the archive admins can review a list of new packages in Debian and select to sync the ones they want. They'll probably notice there was a different package previously published, and so sync it /me waits for a more complete reply from an archive admin
[10:27] <valavanisalex> tumbleweed: Thanks... so should I file a sync request and subscribe archive admin, or do I just wait?
[10:27] <tumbleweed> wait and see, unless you have any particularly ugent desire to see it synced
[10:29] <valavanisalex> tumbleweed: OK, I'll wait and see.  It would be nice to have it, but not desperately urgent.  I'll file a sync request in a few weeks if I need it.  Thanks for your help
[10:46] <tumbleweed> broder: we now have all pockets in the UDD ubuntu_sources table: http://paste.ubuntu.com/708481/
[10:48] <tumbleweed> (not that that's the query you actually want to use, of course)
[12:38] <Daviey> Does syncpackage not attribute the requestor?  Isn't this kinda bad in situations where a ubuntu delta is dropped?  There is no accountability.
[12:38] <Daviey> (overiding the upload requires --no-lp)
[12:45] <bdrung> Daviey: it does not yet  attribute the requestor
[12:46] <bdrung> Daviey: they appear on https://launchpad.net/~bdrung/+synchronised-packages , but not on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mozilla-devscripts/0.29
[12:56] <wgrant> Daviey, bdrung: The data is stored now, but not yet exposed in the UI except on +synchronised-packages.
[15:39] <spartan-11510> Hi
[15:39] <spartan-11510> i've a little question
[15:39] <Snicksie> hi spartan-11510 :) just ask :p
[15:40] <spartan-11510> In C how i must make for launch a program but i need to detach of the terminal
[15:40] <spartan-11510> Sorry for my english
[15:40] <spartan-11510> because if i fork( after i've zombie
[15:41] <spartan-11510> maybe is'nt the good channel bt i think you can help me
[15:43] <stgraber> spartan-11510: http://www.enderunix.org/docs/eng/daemon.php is probably a good starting point
[15:44] <spartan-11510> i'm forced to use daemon ?
[15:45] <spartan-11510> i know this way but my program would be finish a day...
[15:45] <stgraber> by the way #ubuntu-devel is for the development of ubuntu itself not for software development on ubuntu
[15:45] <spartan-11510> sorry
[15:45] <stgraber> you can also start it in the background
[15:45] <jtaylor> you might also want to look at the screen or nohup programs which detach programs from the terminal
[15:46] <spartan-11510> in fact my programm launch a kate or gedit but if the user want to close terminal he can't
[15:46] <stgraber> indeed. Sorry, I'm typing a lot slower than usual, on my cell phone...
[15:46] <spartan-11510> but i think i will make a execv with nohup
[15:47] <spartan-11510> thank you for your help
[15:48] <spartan-11510> And another question this one on this channel. What's appenned on this channel? i've never see chatting
[15:49] <stgraber> we mostly talk in there when we work- not much over the weekend
[15:50] <spartan-11510> ok
[15:50] <tumbleweed> a large chunk of the ubuntu developers work for canonical, and want their weekends to themselves :P
[15:51] <stgraber> not all of us :) some still monitor IRC outside of work
[15:52] <stgraber> but indeed the weekend just after release tends to be quiet
[15:53] <nigelb> getting over the hangover and all that :P
[15:53] <stgraber> yeah... :)
[15:54] <stgraber> though the hardest was friday morning :)
[15:55] <nigelb> heh
[15:55] <nigelb> I always imgained the release team sleeping Thursday to Monday :P
[15:55] <nigelb> *imagined
[15:56] <stgraber> if only... we were all bsck at the office at 9am...
[15:57] <nigelb> Respect.
[15:57] <stgraber> *back
[16:47] <sladen> was that an ivanka?
[16:47] <nigelb> drat
[16:47] <nigelb> missed her.
[16:50] <sladen> spartan-11510: 48 hours after release.  Everyone (regardless of employer) is probably dead
[17:40] <broder> tumbleweed: cool, i'll play with it some, though the query you're making is not exactly the one i want to make
[17:40] <tumbleweed> broder: yeah I know :)
[17:41] <broder> even though it would be really slow to run, i think it would be much faster to just build the report in lplib
[17:42] <broder> faster in terms of development
[17:42] <tumbleweed> yeah, sometimes I can spend hours trying to do what I want in SQL. I find it har dto think in
[17:43] <broder> does udd have publishing history or just current state?
[17:43] <tumbleweed> we have publishing history, but not for security, because backports uploads don't get announced on a mailing list
[17:43] <tumbleweed> I think Laney needs to write a lplib based importer for history
[17:46] <broder> i guess you could probably do it in reverse - find all packages in backports pockets whose original version hasn't been superseded
[17:46] <tumbleweed> err "not for backports"
[17:46] <tumbleweed> that sounds like the way to go
[17:49] <broder> anyway, maybe i'll try to write something once i'm better caffeinated
[19:51] <MNichie> At risk of being completely off-topic, I have general question about Ubuntu development:  Some open source projects have a system where users can donate resources and tie bug-fix requests to the donation.  Does Ubuntu offer anything like this?  This is one bug in Unity that has been confirmed since April, but it has never been assigned to a dev.
[20:25] <penguin42> MNichie: You could try asking canonical - see www.canonical.com
[20:26] <mull> Hi, does anyone happen to know how large a complete mirror of oneiric is?
[20:27] <mull> ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mirrors doesn't mention anything newer than Lucid )
[20:44] <tumbleweed> mull: my rule of thumb: 50G per architecture per release (very very innacurate, because some packages are shared between architectures and releases)
[20:47] <mull> tumbleweed, are you including src in your estimate?
[20:48] <tumbleweed> mull: no, I count that as another arch for those heuristics
[20:48] <mull> ok
[20:49] <mull> thanks for the data point
[20:49] <tumbleweed> if you want to know exactly how big it is, try and debmirror it with --verbose, it'll tell you how much it wants to download
[20:52] <SpamapS> hrm something broke my resume from suspend in the last week of 11.10
[20:52]  * SpamapS guesses nvidia-current is to blame
[22:58] <DoctorPepper> hi guys !!!
[23:03]  * penguin42 shakes DoctorPepper
[23:05] <DoctorPepper> agateau:  are you here ?