| ubuntuuk-planet | [Jono Bacon] Weekly Canonical Community Team Meetings Now On IRC - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/10/15/weekly-canonical-community-team-meetings-now-on-irc/ | 05:22 |
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| ubuntuuk-planet | [Jono Bacon] New Community Council - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/10/15/new-community-council/ | 05:22 |
| AlanBell | morning all | 07:07 |
| MartijnVdS | \o | 07:33 |
| dwatkins | hmm, streaming video via NFS seems to pause at times, I wonder how I can see what's going on on the disk in more detail than iotop | 08:17 |
| popey | Morning everyone | 08:18 |
| SuprEngr | o/ | 08:20 |
| DJones | Morning all | 08:21 |
| dwatkins | ooh, iftop | 08:26 |
| FunnyGuy | hi | 08:27 |
| FunnyGuy | hi | 08:27 |
| FunnyGuy | bye! | 08:27 |
| daubers | Morning | 08:28 |
| popey | yo | 08:30 |
| * SuprEngr did upgrade in place for both netbook & desktop pooters last night. no fails to report - well done to MS's team and all involved. | 08:34 | |
| * SuprEngr is now Oneiric'd | 08:34 | |
| popey | \o/ | 08:35 |
| * daubers needs to upgrade some servers soonish | 08:40 | |
| DJones | How can I check whether I'm running 64 or 32 bit, I'm sure I should have 64 bit, but just want to double check | 08:46 |
| DJones | No worries, got it | 08:47 |
| GirlyGirl | Hi | 08:47 |
| GirlyGirl | DJones: in terminal "uname -a" | 08:47 |
| * daubers pops into town to spend some money | 08:48 | |
| brobostigon | good morning everyone. | 09:24 |
| MartijnVdS | \o | 09:26 |
| brobostigon | o/ | 09:27 |
| ikonia | how amazingly frustrating, I went to place an order with scan after waiting for a part to come in stock, to find out that the motherboard I wanted is now out of stock and won't be coming back in stock, and the CPU I was ordering is on today only so reduced.... | 09:53 |
| ikonia | lesson learnt....never wait for parts, | 09:55 |
| esteeven | Hello. I am using the fglrx driver and it works but there is a lag when moving windows around ie the cursor gets ahead of the window. It's a bit disconcerting. | 11:12 |
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| === Guest15216 is now known as Girly-Girl | ||
| czajkowski | aloha | 11:46 |
| christel | heya lovely laura | 11:46 |
| czajkowski | christel: hey darling | 11:46 |
| christel | :) | 11:49 |
| DJones | Anybody around able to help with a grub2 problem of a fresh 11.10 install, I'm getting an error on boot "error: symbol not found: grub_divmod64_full" | 12:12 |
| AlanBell | 64bit capable machine? | 12:12 |
| DJones | No | 12:13 |
| DJones | Fairly old Dell 210L, 32 bit installation from the alternate cd | 12:13 |
| AlanBell | wonder what that "64" is doing in there | 12:13 |
| DJones | Its a good question, the cd has been used on another machine and installed with no problems | 12:14 |
| DJones | Just gets left at the grub rescue prompt | 12:14 |
| AlanBell | bug 768716 | 12:14 |
| lubotu3 | Launchpad bug 836378 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #768716 Oneiric upgrade, boot hangs at error: symbol not found: grub_divmod64_full" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/836378 | 12:14 |
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| DJones | Good spot, I'll have a read | 12:15 |
| === Guest40247 is now known as Girly-Girl | ||
| AlanBell | have a look at 768716 as well as the new one | 12:16 |
| DJones | bug 768716 | 12:17 |
| lubotu3 | Launchpad bug 836378 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #768716 Oneiric upgrade, boot hangs at error: symbol not found: grub_divmod64_full" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/836378 | 12:17 |
| AlanBell | over-helpful bot | 12:17 |
| DJones | Time to download the minimal iso | 12:21 |
| penguin42 | AlanBell: I suspect the 64 is just dividing 64bit values - like block addresses | 12:21 |
| penguin42 | DJones: Just checking, you are on grub2? | 12:24 |
| AlanBell | penguin42: yeah, plenty of reasons for a 64 to be there, just the first thing that sprung to mind | 12:28 |
| DJones | penguin42: Yes, grub 2, fresh 11.10 install | 12:31 |
| DJones | Just trying to see how to use the minimal iso to reinstall grub now | 12:31 |
| penguin42 | DJones: Erk | 12:31 |
| penguin42 | DJones: OK, before you reinstall | 12:31 |
| DJones | ok, go on | 12:31 |
| penguin42 | DJones: Can you take a copy of your /boot/grub as a tar and attach it to the bug | 12:32 |
| DJones | I shall try, I'll see if I can get access to the hdd to tar it up | 12:32 |
| penguin42 | DJones: Thanks - it needs some analysis to find out wtf that symbol went! | 12:33 |
| DJones | Just booting up with a livecd | 12:33 |
| penguin42 | DJones: Other than raid is there anything else odd about your machine ? zfs/btrfs/painted green? | 12:33 |
| DJones | Not that I know of, Dell Optiplex 210L, 2 sata drives, 1 dvd/cd burner & 1 pata drive | 12:34 |
| penguin42 | ok | 12:34 |
| DJones | Just stuck a live cd in and I don't even know which version it is | 12:35 |
| penguin42 | DJones: Also, do you have a separate /boot? | 12:35 |
| DJones | No, 80gb sata is pationed as 25Gb "/", 4Gb "swap" and the rest as "/home", 2nd sata is 100gb & 200Gb data partitions, all as ext4, pata drive is a media storage partitioned as ext3 | 12:37 |
| penguin42 | please comment all that in the bug | 12:38 |
| penguin42 | DJones: It's a pity the bugs are duped that way around - there is more info in the bug 768716 - my guess is that it's got half of the new grub on each of your drives | 12:39 |
| lubotu3 | Launchpad bug 836378 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #768716 Oneiric upgrade, boot hangs at error: symbol not found: grub_divmod64_full" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/836378 | 12:39 |
| DJones | penguin42: Which bug number would you prefer I attach this bug report to | 12:55 |
| penguin42 | DJones: 836378 | 12:55 |
| DJones | ok, will do | 12:56 |
| ujjain | what does "all but stopped mean"? | 12:58 |
| AlanBell | ujjain: means "very nearly stopped" | 12:59 |
| AlanBell | but not quite | 12:59 |
| ujjain | "EU memberships talks have all but stopped." < ok, I get it now :) | 13:00 |
| ujjain | thanks! | 13:00 |
| DJones | penguin42: Bug report submitted with attachment, now to reinstall grub, going to try the boot-repair-disk iso suggested on the grub2 wiki | 13:11 |
| penguin42 | DJones: Thanks | 13:12 |
| penguin42 | DJones: It looks kind of sane | 13:22 |
| DJones | penguin42: Ah well, at least its there if needed, just waiting for the boot repair to finish to see if solves it | 13:24 |
| DJones | :) | 13:24 |
| DJones | Wrong window | 13:24 |
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| DJones | penguin42: The repair cd did its job anyway, up & running with no problems now | 13:50 |
| penguin42 | DJones: Good! Please add a comment on the bug to say that | 13:51 |
| Monsterwizard | anyone here good at discete maths? | 14:12 |
| isleofmandan | A friend of mine has managed to persuade another friend to install Ubuntu 11.10 as dual boot on a Windows machine. Trouble is, there's no Windows option at boot time now, goes straight to Ubuntu. This machine will be coming my way at the weekend - any idea where to look first? (Windows files can be seen in Ubuntu, so at least is sounds like Win partition is intact!) | 14:13 |
| isleofmandan | Monsterwizard - I've a maths degree, but it was a long time ago... If it's easy, and still in my memory, you could try me...! | 14:14 |
| Azelphur | !fix_grub| isleofmandan | 14:14 |
| Azelphur | aww, can't remember the factoid for that :( | 14:14 |
| Monsterwizard | Ok well I'm doing strings and languages | 14:14 |
| isleofmandan | pass :) Sorry! | 14:14 |
| Azelphur | isleofmandan: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows | 14:14 |
| Monsterwizard | I just need to see if the three questions I did were correct | 14:14 |
| Monsterwizard | ok | 14:14 |
| Monsterwizard | :p | 14:14 |
| Monsterwizard | http://mathbin.net/74649 | 14:14 |
| Monsterwizard | anyway ^ | 14:14 |
| Monsterwizard | if anyone is interested | 14:14 |
| Azelphur | isleofmandan: oh nice! there's a tool that does it now https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows | 14:15 |
| Azelphur | press button fix boot XD | 14:15 |
| penguin42 | Monsterwizard: Interesting, don't know anything about it, almost looks like the formalisations behind regexps etc | 14:15 |
| isleofmandan | Thanks Azelphur. Should save me some time. No idea why it didn't at Windows to boot menu though. I've never seen that behaviour before. | 14:16 |
| isleofmandan | Monsterwizard: I looked. Definitely not my thing. :) | 14:18 |
| Monsterwizard | thank though everyone | 14:18 |
| penguin42 | Monsterwizard: You might also look at dalnet irc - I think there might be a #math | 14:19 |
| Monsterwizard | I'm on to it | 14:19 |
| Monsterwizard | irc.dalnet.com ? | 14:20 |
| penguin42 | Monsterwizard: http://www.dal.net/servers/ | 14:20 |
| ujjain | "sheldon threw his back out, handing him that book" (what does throwing your back out mean?) | 14:27 |
| penguin42 | hurting it | 14:29 |
| penguin42 | like if you pick something up wrong or force someone to carry a heavy book | 14:29 |
| ujjain | ah right, I get it | 14:31 |
| ujjain | thanks. | 14:31 |
| ujjain | I have another question, what makes a hostname resolve? I reinstalled my PC and Samba | 14:31 |
| ujjain | but I can only access the computer via | 14:31 |
| ujjain | \\192.168.10.138 | 14:31 |
| ujjain | and not anymore via \\DEVELOPER, with the hostname | 14:32 |
| matti | AlanBell: You may laugh, but getting only 100 CD signed by Mark to sell them for a little bit more money in order to raise money for something, whoild not be such a bad idea :) Remember, that people value originality over anything else :) | 14:49 |
| AlanBell | even one or two scattered randomly in the collection | 14:50 |
| Azelphur | matti: that does sound quite cool | 14:54 |
| matti | Azelphur: I know :0 | 15:14 |
| ubuntuuk-planet | [Dominic Watkins] Manual rename command on OS X using bash - http://rowla.dyndns.org/blog/2011/10/15/manual-rename/ | 15:22 |
| popey | ☺ | 16:04 |
| alexluckett | Hi guys, wondering if anyone could help me? Ubuntu 11.10 won't work on my laptop (freezes, crashes) - Ubuntu 11.04 will. Got a feeling it's due to the new 3.0 kernel in 11.10 | 16:06 |
| alexluckett | Is there any way to run 11.10 with the kernel from ubuntu 11.04? | 16:06 |
| hamitron | probably easier to use a custom kernel | 16:07 |
| hamitron | or stick with 11.04 | 16:07 |
| hamitron | but it is way more fun to find out the problem | 16:08 |
| hamitron | ;) | 16:08 |
| alexluckett | Sorry, I'm a lil bit of a Linux noob. I wouldn't know how to do that :(. | 16:09 |
| alexluckett | I've just come from Windows as my main OS, to Ubuntu... still learning, haha. | 16:09 |
| hamitron | cool :) | 16:09 |
| AlanBell | you would probably be better off running 11.04 than a hybrid of 11.10 with the 11.04 kernel | 16:09 |
| AlanBell | but definitely file a bug | 16:10 |
| hamitron | and AlanBell explains things better than me | 16:10 |
| hamitron | :D | 16:10 |
| AlanBell | alexluckett: does 11.10 boot up at all? | 16:11 |
| alexluckett | Ah okay, thank you anyway! I'll file a bug | 16:11 |
| AlanBell | enough to run "ubuntu-bug linux" from a terminal | 16:11 |
| alexluckett | AlanBell: yes, however it freezes pretty much after I've logged in - mouse is the only thing that moves, can't do anything else | 16:12 |
| AlanBell | might not be the kernel then, might be grahpics drivers if the mouse is moving | 16:12 |
| AlanBell | have you tried unity 2d rather than unity? | 16:13 |
| alexluckett | Yep, both the same. | 16:13 |
| alexluckett | I could be wrong, but it sounds like my hard drive turns off, and my hard drive activity indicator on my laptop case stops flashing | 16:13 |
| alexluckett | I thought it might have been that? | 16:13 |
| AlanBell | when it happens can you use ctrl+alt+f1 to flip to a terminal? | 16:16 |
| alexluckett | nope | 16:17 |
| alexluckett | Can't do anything but hit the emergency restart button and move my mouse | 16:17 |
| AlanBell | ok, well you can file a bug on launchpad and detail the hardware you have | 16:19 |
| alexluckett | Okay, thank you. I already posted it the question/answers section in launchpad - does that matter? | 16:20 |
| AlanBell | link? | 16:24 |
| alexluckett | https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/174499 | 16:24 |
| AlanBell | I would leave it there for a bit, see what suggestions you get | 16:26 |
| alexluckett | okay, thanks for all your help :) I really appreciate it | 16:26 |
| SuprEngr | hmmm... not impressed with 10.04 -> 11.10 imports. evolution doesn't import any contacts or calendars, thunderbird doesn't even recognise there's anything to im[ort from :( come on chaps [& lchapessies]... realworld needs you to put than screens & titles there... functionality really would bre nice. | 16:56 |
| penguin42 | SuprEngr: Did you go straight from 10.04 to 11.10 ? | 16:56 |
| SuprEngr | penguin42, no - from 11.04 - but never used it seriously [stayed with 10.04 for main work] | 16:58 |
| SuprEngr | the files are therefore from 10.04 | 16:58 |
| SuprEngr | ...as in I still have 10.04 - the partion with 11.10 was upgraded from 11.04. Thought I'd give it a serious go ready for next LTS... | 17:00 |
| penguin42 | SuprEngr: My guess is that you'll have a better bet upgrading each apps files one step at a time - but I don't honestly know | 17:01 |
| SuprEngr | and this is not "whining *- a lot of peeps gave time free of charge for me to use it - I'm grateful for what does work. | 17:03 |
| penguin42 | SuprEngr: Report them as bugs - my guess is that people test upgrades from the previous version, but not much more than that; I guess they also will try one LTS to the next | 17:04 |
| SuprEngr | penguin42, yeh.. i was wondering the same. on t'other hand - a nice chance to start anew. | 17:04 |
| SuprEngr | ;) | 17:04 |
| Univoid | guys i just upgraded to 11.10 now my netbeans project c++ wont build complains about a lot unresolved references | 17:27 |
| penguin42 | Univoid: I know *nothing* about netbeans....but | 17:30 |
| penguin42 | Univoid: Do you have a link line which has a bunch of -lwhatever ? | 17:30 |
| Univoid | yes it uses pkg-config --lib --cflags gtk+-3.0 to get includes | 17:31 |
| penguin42 | Univoid: Do you have the full link line? | 17:32 |
| Monsterwizard | hello world | 18:18 |
| dwatkins | hi Monsterwizard | 18:30 |
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| AlanBell | just tracked an upgrade problem in one of the kids computers down to faulty ram | 18:52 |
| mgdm | Hmmm | 18:55 |
| mgdm | this machine's stuck using Monaco as the terminal font | 18:55 |
| penguin42 | AlanBell: Oh that always causes fun - getting hash mismatches in dpkg ? | 19:00 |
| AlanBell | yeah | 19:02 |
| AlanBell | was running just fine with 11.04 | 19:03 |
| penguin42 | AlanBell: Downloading and hashing a few hundred MB of data is a reasonably good test | 19:09 |
| AlanBell | indeed | 19:09 |
| AlanBell | what is a good networked game in the repos? | 19:20 |
| penguin42 | can someone just confirm something for me; default side for window button on OO is on the left? | 19:23 |
| AlanBell | yes | 19:23 |
| penguin42 | thanks | 19:23 |
| * SuprEngr wonders why they took the fun of me pictures folder from 11.10 - as in "wot - no screensaver?!" | 19:34 | |
| * SuprEngr cries at thought of no more slideshow of own prized photies :( | 19:36 | |
| * AlanBell installs nexuiz server and client for some deathmatch stuff | 19:42 | |
| DJones | Seems stragnge that to play deathmatch games, you have to have friends who you're prepared to kill | 19:44 |
| AlanBell | I have children :) | 19:45 |
| DJones | You're prepared to kill your children...../me calls the nspcc | 19:45 |
| DJones | And in case anybody reports that log, I know, its not a serious comment | 19:46 |
| AlanBell | they are prepared to kill me, I am only defending myself! | 19:46 |
| DJones | Heh | 19:47 |
| AlanBell | there really should be an FPS where most of the players are armed to the teeth, and someone gets to be Daddy and go round taking their weapons away | 19:47 |
| DJones | I've now got a vision of a game of Grand Theft Auto where a kid in nappies pulls a 458 Magnum on his father for taking away his derringer :) | 19:51 |
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| jacobw | \o/ oneiric | 19:54 |
| SuprEngr | jacobw, let me know when you find the secret of the hidden [as in any at all] screensavers | 20:01 |
| * jacobw investigates | 20:01 | |
| jacobw | its a one | 20:03 |
| jacobw | oops | 20:06 |
| jacobw | ahem, removing the screensaver program seems to one of the ways they've made gnome 3 better :P | 20:06 |
| SuprEngr | ;) | 20:07 |
| zleap | hello | 20:13 |
| zleap | hello C-S-B | 20:14 |
| C-S-B | hi | 20:15 |
| shauno | it seems there's plans for the screensaver, they just haven't come to fruition yet - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-screensaver | 20:17 |
| zleap | How are you | 20:20 |
| SuprEngr | shauno, thanks - all I found were bugs saying what I found - yours is good news | 20:25 |
| * SuprEngr makes note to check next time in vm tests *before* release | 20:29 | |
| SuprEngr | knock knock - who's there - "he says he's a rugby ref" said mrs welsh - shoot the *****r sed mr welsh | 20:31 |
| shauno | VMs are odd. I'd never have noticed a missing screensaver in a VM | 20:33 |
| SuprEngr | ...and so she shot the ref - [& saved the rugby union a load of £££] | 20:34 |
| * SuprEngr tops going o/t | 20:35 | |
| SuprEngr | yep - never thought about checking a sleeping pooter in a VM - shame, i'm proud of my my photies and like them in a slide show now & again | 20:38 |
| penguin42 | tend not to want screensavers in VMs, it only wastes CPU on the host | 20:38 |
| SuprEngr | VM testing of screensavers - *sad* | 20:38 |
| shauno | I tend to turn even blanking off in a VM. it's just annoying, forcing me to give it a password when I resume it | 20:39 |
| SuprEngr | ...till you come to the real thing | 20:39 |
| SuprEngr | ...but if that's the worst thing I can say about the guys and guyesses giving me a free distro... I still say well done to them. | 20:41 |
| * SuprEngr refrains from commenting on 10.10 & 11.04 however ;) | 20:42 | |
| GirlyGirl | SuprEngr: Guyesses?? | 20:46 |
| SuprEngr | GirlyGirl, yeh... it's short for / slang for GirlyGirls i 'spose :D | 20:47 |
| AlanBell | yay, offspring laptop all oneiriced | 21:21 |
| shauno | what did they do to deserve that? | 21:51 |
| AlanBell | didn't eat their broccoli | 22:16 |
| shauno | hm, sending mail from a script; I can't find any way to set a different From address when just doing content > mail user@host | 22:38 |
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