[05:22] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Weekly Canonical Community Team Meetings Now On IRC - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/10/15/weekly-canonical-community-team-meetings-now-on-irc/
[05:22] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] New Community Council - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/10/15/new-community-council/
[07:07] <AlanBell> morning all
[07:33] <MartijnVdS> \o
[08:17] <dwatkins> hmm, streaming video via NFS seems to pause at times, I wonder how I can see what's going on on the disk in more detail than iotop
[08:18] <popey> Morning everyone
[08:20] <SuprEngr> o/
[08:21] <DJones> Morning all
[08:26] <dwatkins> ooh, iftop
[08:27] <FunnyGuy> hi
[08:27] <FunnyGuy> hi
[08:27] <FunnyGuy> bye!
[08:28] <daubers> Morning
[08:30] <popey> yo
[08:34]  * SuprEngr did upgrade in place for both netbook & desktop pooters last night. no fails to report - well done to  MS's team and all involved.
[08:34]  * SuprEngr is now Oneiric'd
[08:35] <popey> \o/
[08:40]  * daubers needs to upgrade some servers soonish
[08:46] <DJones> How can I check whether I'm running 64 or 32 bit, I'm sure I should have 64 bit, but just want to double check
[08:47] <DJones> No worries, got it
[08:47] <GirlyGirl> Hi
[08:47] <GirlyGirl> DJones: in terminal "uname -a"
[08:48]  * daubers pops into town to spend some money
[09:24] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:26] <MartijnVdS> \o
[09:27] <brobostigon> o/
[09:53] <ikonia> how amazingly frustrating, I went to place an order with scan after waiting for a part to come in stock, to find out that the motherboard I wanted is now out of stock and won't be coming back in stock, and the CPU I was ordering is on today only so reduced....
[09:55] <ikonia> lesson learnt....never wait for parts,
[11:12] <esteeven>  Hello. I am using the fglrx driver and it works but there is a lag when moving windows around ie the cursor gets ahead of the window. It's a bit disconcerting.
[11:46] <czajkowski> aloha
[11:46] <christel> heya lovely laura
[11:46] <czajkowski> christel: hey darling
[11:49] <christel> :)
[12:12] <DJones> Anybody around able to help with a grub2 problem of a fresh 11.10 install, I'm getting an error on boot "error: symbol not found: grub_divmod64_full"
[12:12] <AlanBell> 64bit capable machine?
[12:13] <DJones> No
[12:13] <DJones> Fairly old Dell 210L, 32 bit installation from the alternate cd
[12:13] <AlanBell> wonder what that "64" is doing in there
[12:14] <DJones> Its a good question, the cd has been used on another machine and installed with no problems
[12:14] <DJones> Just gets left at the grub rescue prompt
[12:14] <AlanBell> bug 768716
[12:15] <DJones> Good spot, I'll have a read
[12:16] <AlanBell> have a look at 768716 as well as the new one
[12:17] <DJones> bug 768716
[12:17] <AlanBell> over-helpful bot
[12:21] <DJones> Time to download the minimal iso
[12:21] <penguin42> AlanBell: I suspect the 64 is just dividing 64bit values - like block addresses
[12:24] <penguin42> DJones: Just checking, you are on grub2?
[12:28] <AlanBell> penguin42: yeah, plenty of reasons for a 64 to be there, just the first thing that sprung to mind
[12:31] <DJones> penguin42: Yes, grub 2, fresh 11.10 install
[12:31] <DJones> Just trying to see how to use the minimal iso to reinstall grub now
[12:31] <penguin42> DJones: Erk
[12:31] <penguin42> DJones: OK, before you reinstall
[12:31] <DJones> ok, go on
[12:32] <penguin42> DJones: Can you take a copy of your /boot/grub as a tar and attach it to the bug
[12:32] <DJones> I shall try, I'll see if I can get access to the hdd to tar it up
[12:33] <penguin42> DJones: Thanks - it needs some analysis to find out wtf that symbol went!
[12:33] <DJones> Just booting up with a livecd
[12:33] <penguin42> DJones: Other than raid is there anything else odd about your machine ? zfs/btrfs/painted green?
[12:34] <DJones> Not that I know of, Dell Optiplex 210L, 2 sata drives, 1 dvd/cd burner & 1 pata drive
[12:34] <penguin42> ok
[12:35] <DJones> Just stuck a live cd in and I don't even know which version it is
[12:35] <penguin42> DJones: Also, do you have a separate /boot?
[12:37] <DJones> No, 80gb sata is pationed as 25Gb "/", 4Gb "swap" and the rest as "/home", 2nd sata is 100gb & 200Gb data partitions, all as ext4, pata drive is a media storage partitioned as ext3
[12:38] <penguin42> please comment all that in the bug
[12:39] <penguin42> DJones: It's a pity the bugs are duped that way around - there is more info in the bug 768716 - my guess is that it's got half of the new grub on each of your drives
[12:55] <DJones> penguin42: Which bug number would you prefer I attach this bug report to
[12:55] <penguin42> DJones: 836378
[12:56] <DJones> ok, will do
[12:58] <ujjain> what does "all but stopped mean"?
[12:59] <AlanBell> ujjain: means "very nearly stopped"
[12:59] <AlanBell> but not quite
[13:00] <ujjain> "EU memberships talks have all but stopped." < ok, I get it now :)
[13:00] <ujjain> thanks!
[13:11] <DJones> penguin42: Bug report submitted with attachment, now to reinstall grub, going to try the boot-repair-disk iso suggested on the grub2 wiki
[13:12] <penguin42> DJones: Thanks
[13:22] <penguin42> DJones: It looks kind of sane
[13:24] <DJones> penguin42: Ah well, at least its there if needed, just waiting for the boot repair to finish to see if solves it
[13:24] <DJones> :)
[13:24] <DJones> Wrong window
[13:50] <DJones> penguin42: The repair cd did its job anyway, up & running with no problems now
[13:51] <penguin42> DJones: Good! Please add a comment on the bug to say that
[14:12] <Monsterwizard> anyone here good at discete maths?
[14:13] <isleofmandan> A friend of mine has managed to persuade another friend to install Ubuntu 11.10 as dual boot on a Windows machine. Trouble is, there's no Windows option at boot time now, goes straight to Ubuntu. This machine will be coming my way at the weekend - any idea where to look first?  (Windows files can be seen in Ubuntu, so at least is sounds like Win partition is intact!)
[14:14] <isleofmandan> Monsterwizard - I've a maths degree, but it was a long time ago... If it's easy, and still in my memory, you could try me...!
[14:14] <Azelphur> !fix_grub| isleofmandan
[14:14] <Azelphur> aww, can't remember the factoid for that :(
[14:14] <Monsterwizard> Ok well I'm doing strings and languages
[14:14] <isleofmandan> pass :) Sorry!
[14:14] <Azelphur> isleofmandan: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[14:14] <Monsterwizard> I just need to see if the three questions I did were correct
[14:14] <Monsterwizard> ok
[14:14] <Monsterwizard> :p
[14:14] <Monsterwizard> http://mathbin.net/74649
[14:14] <Monsterwizard> anyway ^
[14:14] <Monsterwizard> if anyone is interested
[14:15] <Azelphur> isleofmandan: oh nice! there's a tool that does it now https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[14:15] <Azelphur> press button fix boot XD
[14:15] <penguin42> Monsterwizard: Interesting, don't know anything about it, almost looks like the formalisations behind regexps etc
[14:16] <isleofmandan> Thanks Azelphur. Should save me some time. No idea why it didn't at Windows to boot menu though. I've never seen that behaviour before.
[14:18] <isleofmandan> Monsterwizard: I looked. Definitely not my thing. :)
[14:18] <Monsterwizard> thank though everyone
[14:19] <penguin42> Monsterwizard: You might also look at dalnet irc - I think there might be a #math
[14:19] <Monsterwizard> I'm on to it
[14:20] <Monsterwizard> irc.dalnet.com ?
[14:20] <penguin42> Monsterwizard: http://www.dal.net/servers/
[14:27] <ujjain> "sheldon threw his back out, handing him that book" (what does throwing your back out mean?)
[14:29] <penguin42> hurting it
[14:29] <penguin42> like if you pick something up wrong or force someone to carry a heavy book
[14:31] <ujjain> ah right, I get it
[14:31] <ujjain> thanks.
[14:31] <ujjain> I have another question, what makes a hostname resolve? I reinstalled my PC and Samba
[14:31] <ujjain> but I can only access the computer via
[14:31] <ujjain> \\192.168.10.138
[14:32] <ujjain> and not anymore via \\DEVELOPER, with the hostname
[14:49] <matti> AlanBell: You may laugh, but getting only 100 CD signed by Mark to sell them for a little bit more money in order to raise money for something, whoild not be such a bad idea :) Remember, that people value originality over anything else :)
[14:50] <AlanBell> even one or two scattered randomly in the collection
[14:54] <Azelphur> matti: that does sound quite cool
[15:14] <matti> Azelphur: I know :0
[15:22] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Dominic Watkins] Manual rename command on OS X using bash - http://rowla.dyndns.org/blog/2011/10/15/manual-rename/
[16:04] <popey> ☺
[16:06] <alexluckett> Hi guys, wondering if anyone could help me? Ubuntu 11.10 won't work on my laptop (freezes, crashes) - Ubuntu 11.04 will. Got a feeling it's due to the new 3.0 kernel in 11.10
[16:06] <alexluckett> Is there any way to run 11.10 with the kernel from ubuntu 11.04?
[16:07] <hamitron> probably easier to use a custom kernel
[16:07] <hamitron> or stick with 11.04
[16:08] <hamitron> but it is way more fun to find out the problem
[16:08] <hamitron> ;)
[16:09] <alexluckett> Sorry, I'm a lil bit of a Linux noob. I wouldn't know how to do that :(.
[16:09] <alexluckett> I've just come from Windows as my main OS, to Ubuntu... still learning, haha.
[16:09] <hamitron> cool :)
[16:09] <AlanBell> you would probably be better off running 11.04 than a hybrid of 11.10 with the 11.04 kernel
[16:10] <AlanBell> but definitely file a bug
[16:10] <hamitron> and AlanBell explains things better than me
[16:10] <hamitron> :D
[16:11] <AlanBell> alexluckett: does 11.10 boot up at all?
[16:11] <alexluckett> Ah okay, thank you anyway! I'll file a bug
[16:11] <AlanBell> enough to run "ubuntu-bug linux" from a terminal
[16:12] <alexluckett> AlanBell: yes, however it freezes pretty much after I've logged in - mouse is the only thing that moves, can't do anything else
[16:12] <AlanBell> might not be the kernel then, might be grahpics drivers if the mouse is moving
[16:13] <AlanBell> have you tried unity 2d rather than unity?
[16:13] <alexluckett> Yep, both the same.
[16:13] <alexluckett> I could be wrong, but it sounds like my hard drive turns off, and my hard drive activity indicator on my laptop case stops flashing
[16:13] <alexluckett> I thought it might have been that?
[16:16] <AlanBell> when it happens can you use ctrl+alt+f1 to flip to a terminal?
[16:17] <alexluckett> nope
[16:17] <alexluckett> Can't do anything but hit the emergency restart button and move my mouse
[16:19] <AlanBell> ok, well you can file a bug on launchpad and detail the hardware you have
[16:20] <alexluckett> Okay, thank you. I already posted it the question/answers section in launchpad - does that matter?
[16:24] <AlanBell> link?
[16:24] <alexluckett> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/174499
[16:26] <AlanBell> I would leave it there for a bit, see what suggestions you get
[16:26] <alexluckett> okay, thanks for all your help :) I really appreciate it
[16:56] <SuprEngr> hmmm... not impressed with 10.04 -> 11.10 imports. evolution doesn't import any contacts or calendars, thunderbird doesn't even recognise there's anything to im[ort from :(  come on chaps [& lchapessies]... realworld needs you to put than screens & titles there... functionality really would bre nice.
[16:56] <penguin42> SuprEngr: Did you go straight from 10.04 to 11.10 ?
[16:58] <SuprEngr> penguin42, no - from 11.04 - but never used it seriously [stayed with 10.04 for main work]
[16:58] <SuprEngr> the files are therefore from 10.04
[17:00] <SuprEngr> ...as in I still have 10.04 - the partion with 11.10 was upgraded from 11.04. Thought I'd give it a serious go ready for next LTS...
[17:01] <penguin42> SuprEngr: My guess is that you'll have a better bet upgrading each apps files one step at a time - but I don't honestly know
[17:03] <SuprEngr> and this is not "whining *- a lot of peeps gave time free of charge for me to use it - I'm grateful for what does work.
[17:04] <penguin42> SuprEngr: Report them as bugs - my guess is that people test upgrades from the previous version, but not much more than that; I guess they also will try one LTS to the next
[17:04] <SuprEngr> penguin42, yeh.. i was wondering the same.  on t'other hand - a nice chance to start anew.
[17:04] <SuprEngr> ;)
[17:27] <Univoid> guys i just upgraded to 11.10 now my netbeans project c++ wont build complains about a lot unresolved references
[17:30] <penguin42> Univoid: I know *nothing* about netbeans....but
[17:30] <penguin42> Univoid: Do you have a link line which has a bunch of -lwhatever ?
[17:31] <Univoid> yes it uses pkg-config --lib --cflags gtk+-3.0 to get includes
[17:32] <penguin42> Univoid: Do you have the full link line?
[18:18] <Monsterwizard> hello world
[18:30] <dwatkins> hi Monsterwizard
[18:52] <AlanBell> just tracked an upgrade problem in one of the kids computers down to faulty ram
[18:55] <mgdm> Hmmm
[18:55] <mgdm> this machine's stuck using Monaco as the terminal font
[19:00] <penguin42> AlanBell: Oh that always causes fun - getting hash mismatches in dpkg ?
[19:02] <AlanBell> yeah
[19:03] <AlanBell> was running just fine with 11.04
[19:09] <penguin42> AlanBell: Downloading and hashing a few hundred MB of data is a reasonably good test
[19:09] <AlanBell> indeed
[19:20] <AlanBell> what is a good networked game in the repos?
[19:23] <penguin42> can someone just confirm something for me; default side for window button on OO is on the left?
[19:23] <AlanBell> yes
[19:23] <penguin42> thanks
[19:34]  * SuprEngr wonders why they took the fun of me pictures folder from 11.10 - as in "wot - no screensaver?!"
[19:36]  * SuprEngr cries at thought of no more slideshow of own prized photies :(
[19:42]  * AlanBell installs nexuiz server and client for some deathmatch stuff
[19:44] <DJones> Seems stragnge that to play deathmatch games, you have to have friends who you're prepared to kill
[19:45] <AlanBell> I have children :)
[19:45] <DJones> You're prepared to kill your children...../me calls the nspcc
[19:46] <DJones> And in case anybody reports that log, I know, its not a serious comment
[19:46] <AlanBell> they are prepared to kill me, I am only defending myself!
[19:47] <DJones> Heh
[19:47] <AlanBell> there really should be an FPS where most of the players are armed to the teeth, and someone gets to be Daddy and go round taking their weapons away
[19:51] <DJones> I've now got a vision of a game of Grand Theft Auto where a kid in nappies pulls a 458 Magnum on his father for taking away his derringer :)
[19:54] <jacobw> \o/ oneiric
[20:01] <SuprEngr> jacobw, let me know when you find the secret of the hidden [as in any at all] screensavers
[20:01]  * jacobw investigates
[20:03] <jacobw> its a one
[20:06] <jacobw> oops
[20:06] <jacobw> ahem, removing the screensaver program seems to one of the ways they've made gnome 3 better :P
[20:07] <SuprEngr> ;)
[20:13] <zleap> hello
[20:14] <zleap> hello C-S-B
[20:15] <C-S-B> hi
[20:17] <shauno> it seems there's plans for the screensaver, they just haven't come to fruition yet - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-screensaver
[20:20] <zleap> How are you
[20:25] <SuprEngr> shauno, thanks - all I found were bugs saying what I found - yours is good news
[20:29]  * SuprEngr makes note to check next time in vm tests *before* release
[20:31] <SuprEngr> knock knock - who's there - "he says he's a rugby ref" said mrs welsh - shoot the *****r sed mr welsh
[20:33] <shauno> VMs are odd.  I'd never have noticed a missing screensaver in a VM
[20:34] <SuprEngr> ...and so she shot the ref - [& saved the rugby union a load of £££]
[20:35]  * SuprEngr tops going o/t
[20:38] <SuprEngr> yep - never thought about checking a sleeping pooter in a VM  - shame, i'm proud of my my photies and like them in a slide show now & again
[20:38] <penguin42> tend not to want screensavers in VMs, it only wastes CPU on the host
[20:38] <SuprEngr> VM testing of screensavers - *sad*
[20:39] <shauno> I tend to turn even blanking off in a VM.  it's just annoying, forcing me to give it a password when I resume it
[20:39] <SuprEngr> ...till you come to the real thing
[20:41] <SuprEngr> ...but if that's the worst thing I can say about the guys and guyesses giving me a free distro... I still say well done to them.
[20:42]  * SuprEngr refrains from commenting on 10.10 & 11.04 however ;)
[20:46] <GirlyGirl> SuprEngr: Guyesses??
[20:47] <SuprEngr> GirlyGirl, yeh... it's short for / slang for GirlyGirls i 'spose :D
[21:21] <AlanBell> yay, offspring laptop all oneiriced
[21:51] <shauno> what did they do to deserve that?
[22:16] <AlanBell> didn't eat their broccoli
[22:38] <shauno> hm, sending mail from a script; I can't find any way to set a different From address when just doing content > mail user@host