[05:22] [Jono Bacon] Weekly Canonical Community Team Meetings Now On IRC - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/10/15/weekly-canonical-community-team-meetings-now-on-irc/ [05:22] [Jono Bacon] New Community Council - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/10/15/new-community-council/ [07:07] morning all [07:33] \o [08:17] hmm, streaming video via NFS seems to pause at times, I wonder how I can see what's going on on the disk in more detail than iotop [08:18] Morning everyone [08:20] o/ [08:21] Morning all [08:26] ooh, iftop [08:27] hi [08:27] hi [08:27] bye! [08:28] Morning [08:30] yo [08:34] * SuprEngr did upgrade in place for both netbook & desktop pooters last night. no fails to report - well done to MS's team and all involved. [08:34] * SuprEngr is now Oneiric'd [08:35] \o/ [08:40] * daubers needs to upgrade some servers soonish [08:46] How can I check whether I'm running 64 or 32 bit, I'm sure I should have 64 bit, but just want to double check [08:47] No worries, got it [08:47] Hi [08:47] DJones: in terminal "uname -a" [08:48] * daubers pops into town to spend some money [09:24] good morning everyone. [09:26] \o [09:27] o/ [09:53] how amazingly frustrating, I went to place an order with scan after waiting for a part to come in stock, to find out that the motherboard I wanted is now out of stock and won't be coming back in stock, and the CPU I was ordering is on today only so reduced.... [09:55] lesson learnt....never wait for parts, [11:12] Hello. I am using the fglrx driver and it works but there is a lag when moving windows around ie the cursor gets ahead of the window. It's a bit disconcerting. === GirlyGirl is now known as Guest15216 === Guest15216 is now known as Girly-Girl [11:46] aloha [11:46] heya lovely laura [11:46] christel: hey darling [11:49] :) [12:12] Anybody around able to help with a grub2 problem of a fresh 11.10 install, I'm getting an error on boot "error: symbol not found: grub_divmod64_full" [12:12] 64bit capable machine? [12:13] No [12:13] Fairly old Dell 210L, 32 bit installation from the alternate cd [12:13] wonder what that "64" is doing in there [12:14] Its a good question, the cd has been used on another machine and installed with no problems [12:14] Just gets left at the grub rescue prompt [12:14] bug 768716 [12:14] Launchpad bug 836378 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #768716 Oneiric upgrade, boot hangs at error: symbol not found: grub_divmod64_full" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/836378 === GirlyGirl is now known as Guest40247 [12:15] Good spot, I'll have a read === Guest40247 is now known as Girly-Girl [12:16] have a look at 768716 as well as the new one [12:17] bug 768716 [12:17] Launchpad bug 836378 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #768716 Oneiric upgrade, boot hangs at error: symbol not found: grub_divmod64_full" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/836378 [12:17] over-helpful bot [12:21] Time to download the minimal iso [12:21] AlanBell: I suspect the 64 is just dividing 64bit values - like block addresses [12:24] DJones: Just checking, you are on grub2? [12:28] penguin42: yeah, plenty of reasons for a 64 to be there, just the first thing that sprung to mind [12:31] penguin42: Yes, grub 2, fresh 11.10 install [12:31] Just trying to see how to use the minimal iso to reinstall grub now [12:31] DJones: Erk [12:31] DJones: OK, before you reinstall [12:31] ok, go on [12:32] DJones: Can you take a copy of your /boot/grub as a tar and attach it to the bug [12:32] I shall try, I'll see if I can get access to the hdd to tar it up [12:33] DJones: Thanks - it needs some analysis to find out wtf that symbol went! [12:33] Just booting up with a livecd [12:33] DJones: Other than raid is there anything else odd about your machine ? zfs/btrfs/painted green? [12:34] Not that I know of, Dell Optiplex 210L, 2 sata drives, 1 dvd/cd burner & 1 pata drive [12:34] ok [12:35] Just stuck a live cd in and I don't even know which version it is [12:35] DJones: Also, do you have a separate /boot? [12:37] No, 80gb sata is pationed as 25Gb "/", 4Gb "swap" and the rest as "/home", 2nd sata is 100gb & 200Gb data partitions, all as ext4, pata drive is a media storage partitioned as ext3 [12:38] please comment all that in the bug [12:39] DJones: It's a pity the bugs are duped that way around - there is more info in the bug 768716 - my guess is that it's got half of the new grub on each of your drives [12:39] Launchpad bug 836378 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #768716 Oneiric upgrade, boot hangs at error: symbol not found: grub_divmod64_full" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/836378 [12:55] penguin42: Which bug number would you prefer I attach this bug report to [12:55] DJones: 836378 [12:56] ok, will do [12:58] what does "all but stopped mean"? [12:59] ujjain: means "very nearly stopped" [12:59] but not quite [13:00] "EU memberships talks have all but stopped." < ok, I get it now :) [13:00] thanks! [13:11] penguin42: Bug report submitted with attachment, now to reinstall grub, going to try the boot-repair-disk iso suggested on the grub2 wiki [13:12] DJones: Thanks [13:22] DJones: It looks kind of sane [13:24] penguin42: Ah well, at least its there if needed, just waiting for the boot repair to finish to see if solves it [13:24] :) [13:24] Wrong window === Girly-Girl is now known as GirlyGirl [13:50] penguin42: The repair cd did its job anyway, up & running with no problems now [13:51] DJones: Good! Please add a comment on the bug to say that [14:12] anyone here good at discete maths? [14:13] A friend of mine has managed to persuade another friend to install Ubuntu 11.10 as dual boot on a Windows machine. Trouble is, there's no Windows option at boot time now, goes straight to Ubuntu. This machine will be coming my way at the weekend - any idea where to look first? (Windows files can be seen in Ubuntu, so at least is sounds like Win partition is intact!) [14:14] Monsterwizard - I've a maths degree, but it was a long time ago... If it's easy, and still in my memory, you could try me...! [14:14] !fix_grub| isleofmandan [14:14] aww, can't remember the factoid for that :( [14:14] Ok well I'm doing strings and languages [14:14] pass :) Sorry! [14:14] isleofmandan: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows [14:14] I just need to see if the three questions I did were correct [14:14] ok [14:14] :p [14:14] http://mathbin.net/74649 [14:14] anyway ^ [14:14] if anyone is interested [14:15] isleofmandan: oh nice! there's a tool that does it now https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows [14:15] press button fix boot XD [14:15] Monsterwizard: Interesting, don't know anything about it, almost looks like the formalisations behind regexps etc [14:16] Thanks Azelphur. Should save me some time. No idea why it didn't at Windows to boot menu though. I've never seen that behaviour before. [14:18] Monsterwizard: I looked. Definitely not my thing. :) [14:18] thank though everyone [14:19] Monsterwizard: You might also look at dalnet irc - I think there might be a #math [14:19] I'm on to it [14:20] irc.dalnet.com ? [14:20] Monsterwizard: http://www.dal.net/servers/ [14:27] "sheldon threw his back out, handing him that book" (what does throwing your back out mean?) [14:29] hurting it [14:29] like if you pick something up wrong or force someone to carry a heavy book [14:31] ah right, I get it [14:31] thanks. [14:31] I have another question, what makes a hostname resolve? I reinstalled my PC and Samba [14:31] but I can only access the computer via [14:31] \\192.168.10.138 [14:32] and not anymore via \\DEVELOPER, with the hostname [14:49] AlanBell: You may laugh, but getting only 100 CD signed by Mark to sell them for a little bit more money in order to raise money for something, whoild not be such a bad idea :) Remember, that people value originality over anything else :) [14:50] even one or two scattered randomly in the collection [14:54] matti: that does sound quite cool [15:14] Azelphur: I know :0 [15:22] [Dominic Watkins] Manual rename command on OS X using bash - http://rowla.dyndns.org/blog/2011/10/15/manual-rename/ [16:04] ☺ [16:06] Hi guys, wondering if anyone could help me? Ubuntu 11.10 won't work on my laptop (freezes, crashes) - Ubuntu 11.04 will. Got a feeling it's due to the new 3.0 kernel in 11.10 [16:06] Is there any way to run 11.10 with the kernel from ubuntu 11.04? [16:07] probably easier to use a custom kernel [16:07] or stick with 11.04 [16:08] but it is way more fun to find out the problem [16:08] ;) [16:09] Sorry, I'm a lil bit of a Linux noob. I wouldn't know how to do that :(. [16:09] I've just come from Windows as my main OS, to Ubuntu... still learning, haha. [16:09] cool :) [16:09] you would probably be better off running 11.04 than a hybrid of 11.10 with the 11.04 kernel [16:10] but definitely file a bug [16:10] and AlanBell explains things better than me [16:10] :D [16:11] alexluckett: does 11.10 boot up at all? [16:11] Ah okay, thank you anyway! I'll file a bug [16:11] enough to run "ubuntu-bug linux" from a terminal [16:12] AlanBell: yes, however it freezes pretty much after I've logged in - mouse is the only thing that moves, can't do anything else [16:12] might not be the kernel then, might be grahpics drivers if the mouse is moving [16:13] have you tried unity 2d rather than unity? [16:13] Yep, both the same. [16:13] I could be wrong, but it sounds like my hard drive turns off, and my hard drive activity indicator on my laptop case stops flashing [16:13] I thought it might have been that? [16:16] when it happens can you use ctrl+alt+f1 to flip to a terminal? [16:17] nope [16:17] Can't do anything but hit the emergency restart button and move my mouse [16:19] ok, well you can file a bug on launchpad and detail the hardware you have [16:20] Okay, thank you. I already posted it the question/answers section in launchpad - does that matter? [16:24] link? [16:24] https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/174499 [16:26] I would leave it there for a bit, see what suggestions you get [16:26] okay, thanks for all your help :) I really appreciate it [16:56] hmmm... not impressed with 10.04 -> 11.10 imports. evolution doesn't import any contacts or calendars, thunderbird doesn't even recognise there's anything to im[ort from :( come on chaps [& lchapessies]... realworld needs you to put than screens & titles there... functionality really would bre nice. [16:56] SuprEngr: Did you go straight from 10.04 to 11.10 ? [16:58] penguin42, no - from 11.04 - but never used it seriously [stayed with 10.04 for main work] [16:58] the files are therefore from 10.04 [17:00] ...as in I still have 10.04 - the partion with 11.10 was upgraded from 11.04. Thought I'd give it a serious go ready for next LTS... [17:01] SuprEngr: My guess is that you'll have a better bet upgrading each apps files one step at a time - but I don't honestly know [17:03] and this is not "whining *- a lot of peeps gave time free of charge for me to use it - I'm grateful for what does work. [17:04] SuprEngr: Report them as bugs - my guess is that people test upgrades from the previous version, but not much more than that; I guess they also will try one LTS to the next [17:04] penguin42, yeh.. i was wondering the same. on t'other hand - a nice chance to start anew. [17:04] ;) [17:27] guys i just upgraded to 11.10 now my netbeans project c++ wont build complains about a lot unresolved references [17:30] Univoid: I know *nothing* about netbeans....but [17:30] Univoid: Do you have a link line which has a bunch of -lwhatever ? [17:31] yes it uses pkg-config --lib --cflags gtk+-3.0 to get includes [17:32] Univoid: Do you have the full link line? [18:18] hello world [18:30] hi Monsterwizard === patch_ is now known as PCmechanic === Lcawte is now known as Guest9924 [18:52] just tracked an upgrade problem in one of the kids computers down to faulty ram [18:55] Hmmm [18:55] this machine's stuck using Monaco as the terminal font [19:00] AlanBell: Oh that always causes fun - getting hash mismatches in dpkg ? [19:02] yeah [19:03] was running just fine with 11.04 [19:09] AlanBell: Downloading and hashing a few hundred MB of data is a reasonably good test [19:09] indeed [19:20] what is a good networked game in the repos? [19:23] can someone just confirm something for me; default side for window button on OO is on the left? [19:23] yes [19:23] thanks [19:34] * SuprEngr wonders why they took the fun of me pictures folder from 11.10 - as in "wot - no screensaver?!" [19:36] * SuprEngr cries at thought of no more slideshow of own prized photies :( [19:42] * AlanBell installs nexuiz server and client for some deathmatch stuff [19:44] Seems stragnge that to play deathmatch games, you have to have friends who you're prepared to kill [19:45] I have children :) [19:45] You're prepared to kill your children...../me calls the nspcc [19:46] And in case anybody reports that log, I know, its not a serious comment [19:46] they are prepared to kill me, I am only defending myself! [19:47] Heh [19:47] there really should be an FPS where most of the players are armed to the teeth, and someone gets to be Daddy and go round taking their weapons away [19:51] I've now got a vision of a game of Grand Theft Auto where a kid in nappies pulls a 458 Magnum on his father for taking away his derringer :) === patch_ is now known as PCmechanic [19:54] \o/ oneiric [20:01] jacobw, let me know when you find the secret of the hidden [as in any at all] screensavers [20:01] * jacobw investigates [20:03] its a one [20:06] oops [20:06] ahem, removing the screensaver program seems to one of the ways they've made gnome 3 better :P [20:07] ;) [20:13] hello [20:14] hello C-S-B [20:15] hi [20:17] it seems there's plans for the screensaver, they just haven't come to fruition yet - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-screensaver [20:20] How are you [20:25] shauno, thanks - all I found were bugs saying what I found - yours is good news [20:29] * SuprEngr makes note to check next time in vm tests *before* release [20:31] knock knock - who's there - "he says he's a rugby ref" said mrs welsh - shoot the *****r sed mr welsh [20:33] VMs are odd. I'd never have noticed a missing screensaver in a VM [20:34] ...and so she shot the ref - [& saved the rugby union a load of £££] [20:35] * SuprEngr tops going o/t [20:38] yep - never thought about checking a sleeping pooter in a VM - shame, i'm proud of my my photies and like them in a slide show now & again [20:38] tend not to want screensavers in VMs, it only wastes CPU on the host [20:38] VM testing of screensavers - *sad* [20:39] I tend to turn even blanking off in a VM. it's just annoying, forcing me to give it a password when I resume it [20:39] ...till you come to the real thing [20:41] ...but if that's the worst thing I can say about the guys and guyesses giving me a free distro... I still say well done to them. [20:42] * SuprEngr refrains from commenting on 10.10 & 11.04 however ;) [20:46] SuprEngr: Guyesses?? [20:47] GirlyGirl, yeh... it's short for / slang for GirlyGirls i 'spose :D [21:21] yay, offspring laptop all oneiriced [21:51] what did they do to deserve that? [22:16] didn't eat their broccoli [22:38] hm, sending mail from a script; I can't find any way to set a different From address when just doing content > mail user@host