[00:19] <holstein> GridCube: AFAIK, most of them right?
[00:19] <holstein> VLC should
[00:20] <GridCube> holstein, actually non of them
[00:20] <holstein> GridCube: if you'd like to share an m3u with me, i'll make it work with one, and tell you which one :)
[00:21] <holstein> GridCube: try audacious
[00:23] <GridCube> holstein, m3u files are lists, whit relative paths to folders, they use \ instead of / for path adresses and they are relative to windows disks most of the time like C: but many times they are relative to their . folder, like the ones i used to use, but now most media player doesnt have a "open" or "save playlist" they use "virtual playlists" they store on their own configuration folders
[00:24] <holstein> GridCube: im familiar with them, i just dont think i can make one
[00:24] <holstein> so, either you just have to try adacious, and VLC, and whatever else... exhale, etc...
[00:25] <holstein> or, you can make me an .m3u point to like one or 2 files that i can fake
[00:25] <holstein> if these are m3u playlists you created in windows, those paths are going to be different in linux
[00:25] <holstein> thats not really a flaw, or a bug
[00:25] <holstein> the path has changes
[00:25] <holstein> chnaged*
[00:26] <holstein> changed**
[00:27] <GridCube> holstein, :) i know that
[00:28] <holstein> GridCube: ?
[00:28] <holstein> you know what?
[00:28] <holstein> that the path has changed?
[00:28] <holstein> or that you have made these files in windows?
[00:29] <GridCube> back in the day, like 00's, xmms used to be able to play m3u playlists, it asumed that the m3u was placed on the disk where the relative path where, then it changed the C: for the correspondent /mnt/hd*/path/to/file, it was very fast and worked 99.9% of the time
[00:30] <holstein> that version of xmms shoujld still be around
[00:30] <holstein> or maybe whatever it was that converted the path
[00:30] <holstein> should all be open source and available
[00:30] <holstein> personally, i would just make new playlists with relavant paths
[00:31] <GridCube> but then they would not work on windows machines
[00:31] <holstein> yeah?
[00:31] <holstein> maybe you can save the m3u's for then
[00:32] <GridCube> thats true
[00:32] <holstein> i would try and copy the m3u's, and see if you can open them as text files, and search and replace
[00:34] <GridCube> yes, i would do that myself too, but i will not be the only person using this machine
[00:34] <GridCube> and the rest of the people using it comes from windows, forcing them to do that sort of thing will just not work
[00:34] <holstein> *nothing* you do in a dual boot scenario is going to have good spouse approval
[00:35] <holstein> well, you'll need to sort it out somehow
[00:35] <holstein> thats why i suggested making a copy, and editing the copy, so the original is still there for windows to use
[00:37] <GridCube> yes, i can do that, for the files i have now, but tomorrow a new m3u will be created, im not gonna be here, hell will broke
[00:38] <holstein> ?
[00:38] <holstein> who cares
[00:38] <GridCube> i care
[00:38] <holstein> they will be on windows right?
[00:38] <GridCube> XD
[00:38] <holstein> it'll be made in windows
[00:38] <holstein> the windows OS will see it
[00:38] <GridCube> yes
[00:38] <holstein> when you get there and want to run linux, you change the path names
[00:38] <holstein> all is well
[00:39] <holstein> or am i missing something?
[00:40] <GridCube> but i have the machine to autoboot in linux, they will be lazy enough to let it boot in linux because most of the time it just works for them, but then they will go for they folders and try to open a m3u they did while using windows for whatever reason linux was not ennough, and it wont open, its just commodity, they could simply create a new list
[00:40] <holstein> ?
[00:40] <holstein> change grub to boot windows then
[00:40] <GridCube> XD
[00:40] <holstein> m3u's will be the least of the worries
[00:41] <GridCube> :P
[00:41] <holstein> OR, just wipe one or the other
[00:41] <GridCube> nah
[00:41] <holstein> sure, then you'll need to maintain things to be cross platform
[00:41] <holstein> m3u paths would be pretty far down my list
[00:41] <holstein> especially if users boot up into linux and dont notice
[00:43] <holstein> personally, im not convinced theres a player that will, nor one that has translated paths like that
[00:43] <holstein> you would think it would be easy enough to make one that would just take a gues
[00:43] <holstein> s
[00:44] <holstein> http://anirudhs.chaosnet.org/blog/2004.07.31.html
[00:45] <GridCube> holstein, see that >2004
[00:45] <GridCube> xmms doesnt exist anymore
[00:45] <holstein> right, but that is suggesting to do what i suggested
[00:46] <holstein> edit the paht
[00:46] <holstein> path*
[00:46] <GridCube> there is a thing called xmms2 or something like that but I don't understand it
[00:46] <holstein> play it where ever you want
[00:46] <holstein> either way, you'll need to edit the path
[00:46] <GridCube> holstein, :/ i know, we where talking about that option a few moments ago
[00:47] <holstein> OK... good luck :) try ask in #opensourcemusicians
[00:47] <holstein> personally, i find things *so* much easier since wiping windows
[00:47] <holstein> no more sambe
[00:47] <holstein> samba*
[00:47] <holstein> nothing wrong with windows, but i prefer linux
[00:48] <holstein> and making linux speak windows flawlessly is a hassle
[02:28] <texaswriter> hi, is there going to be an 11.10 Ubuntu studio version that is upgradeable from 11.04? Is it recommended to just "wait it out" until 12.04?
[02:30] <holstein> texaswriter: i would wait
[02:30] <holstein> the 11.10 that is going to be made is already made
[02:31] <holstein> sometimes i test the upgrade paths, but i never do it myself
[02:31] <holstein> on a production box, i mean
[02:32] <holstein> texaswriter: the switch to XFCE might make things strange in the upgrade, but it shouldnt hurt anything technically
[02:32] <holstein> if you do it, please report
[02:32] <holstein> it would take me some time to test that
[02:33] <holstein> yeah, its going to take me 3 hours to download the 11.04 iso
[04:05] <texaswriter> thanks for the advice. maybe I'll try upgrading in a virtual machine to see what's broken and what's not
[04:05] <texaswriter> why doesn't ubuntu studio just go back and use an old version if Gnome ?
[04:06] <holstein> ?
[04:06] <holstein> gnome2?
[04:06] <holstein> texaswriter: thats gone
[04:06] <holstein> ubuntu is doing what it has always done
[04:07] <holstein> provide the latest gnome package
[04:07] <holstein> i finally have the iso downloaded, and im starting to install 11.04
[04:08] <holstein> sometime tomorrow i'll have the upgrade to 11.10 done ;)
[08:51] <Jeyanth> Hi People, When can I expect Ubuntu studio 11.10 to be released ?
[08:52] <Jeyanth> also, I see the site has been garbled for quite some time. I have been revisiting every now and then to check if someone would fix it. No progress for months .. can anyone make it look cool as before ?
[14:41] <holstein> texaswriter: did you upgrade?
[14:41] <holstein> looks like this one might finish in a few hours
[15:16] <fr-z> hi
[15:37] <texaswriter> @holstein, I am downloading the iso now, have to leave for most of day, I will be back later to install both in a virtual machine.
[15:37] <texaswriter> Thanks
[15:38] <texaswriter> oh, what website you d/l the 11.10 from?
[16:42] <holstein> texaswriter: i just google 'download ubuntustudio 11.10 and get it from the canonical links that the ubuntustudio website will eventually point to anyways
[20:28] <texaswriter> holstein: okay, downloading 11.10 and installing 11.04 in a vb
[21:07] <holstein> texaswriter: im just a few minutes away from the end here
[21:16] <holstein> only problem i have texaswriter
[21:16] <holstein> i logged in the first time, and the session was set to 'ubuntu'
[21:16] <holstein> that login of course failed
[21:16] <holstein> theres no session named 'ubuntustudio' yet apparently
[21:17] <holstein> other than that, i chose 'xfce' as the session, and all is well :)
[21:22] <texaswriter> Haha, VB using 2GB ram plus it mounted ALL of the iso into ram too... that's about 100% of my ram in use, Linux is a champ even when using Virtual Memory!!!
[21:22] <texaswriter> so brb...
[21:22] <holstein> hehe
[22:15] <texaswriter> back.
[22:15] <texaswriter> holstein: did you test anything after upgrade?
[22:16] <holstein> sure
[22:16] <holstein> i poked around
[22:16] <holstein> clicked on stuff
[22:16] <holstein> not JACK though
[22:16] <holstein> its in VM
[22:16] <holstein> looks OK
[22:17] <texaswriter> okay
[22:17] <texaswriter> thanks. will post something brief when mine gets done updating.
[22:20] <holstein> texaswriter: to the list?
[22:21] <holstein> i was looking for that post asking about it
[22:21] <holstein> couldnt find it
[22:21] <holstein> anyways, link me if its a forum post, and ill add to it
[22:26] <texaswriter> okay, is there a website, I was just going to post it in ubuntuforums or something
[22:45] <holstein> i was thinking https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel and/or https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users