[00:00] <GridCube> anyway i use just one XD
[00:00] <GridCube> never found a good reason why to use multiple desktops
[00:02] <ElderDryas> GridCube: I have two...one I use for full screen apps (FF, etc) and one that I use for smaller windowed apps (thunar, xchat, etc)
[00:02] <GridCube> :P alt-tab
[00:02] <ElderDryas> true, that works also
[00:02] <_gnub> I use two, and use the keyboard shortcuts for them, but my friend turned that little trick on and it was really messing me up.
[00:03] <ElderDryas> But I've been doing it this way for years, so I doubt I'll change
[00:03] <GridCube> :P
[00:03] <GridCube> like me not using more than one
[00:04] <ElderDryas> That's different, I do it the right way :)
[00:05] <ElderDryas> BTW: vi or emacs :)
[00:05] <GridCube> nano
[00:06] <ElderDryas> hmmmm....is being an infidel better than being a heretic?
[00:06] <GridCube> is this all !offtopic?
[00:07] <GridCube> :P
[00:07] <ElderDryas> nope, it's useless
[00:07] <ElderDryas> anyway, time to eat
[00:07] <ElderDryas> bye
[00:13] <HunterZ> Bah, tried to do an in-place upgrade on my headless workstation from Xubuntu 11.04 to 11.10 and the graphical update manager kept choking on an unspecified error partway through. do-release-upgrade worked but X11 and lightdm weren't starting, so i couldn't do a graphical login via x2go (NX derivative). tried to purge and reinstall X11/x.org related packages and now it hangs on boot. Time to...
[00:13] <HunterZ> ...boot a rescue USB stick, backup important files, and do a fresh install I guess.
[00:26] <st3ve_> hey all.  how's the upgrade to 11.10 - considered reliable, worth doing?  i'm on 11.04 right now..
[00:27] <raevol> st3ve_: no complaints here, except most of the old gtk themes are broken
[00:28] <raevol> if you are planning to use the default, greybird, you're fine
[00:28] <st3ve_> hmm.  i ... let me see what i'm using now
[00:28] <st3ve_> ah, i'm using greybird.  are they broken forever, or is it something where a bugfix will come down the line?
[00:28] <raevol> also i always to a fresh reinstall when i move up a release
[00:28] <raevol> probably broken forever
[00:29] <st3ve_> i usually like to do a fresh install, too, but i wonder right now if it's necessary, or if the ol' upgrade tool actually does the trick
[00:29] <raevol> i haven't bothered with that in years so i dunno :/
[00:30] <st3ve_> anyone else want to weigh in, someone who has done an upgrade?
[00:30] <st3ve_> thanks, raevol, btw, for letting me knwo about your experiences
[00:30] <raevol> no worries :)
[00:30] <GridCube> st3ve_, i did a clean install today
[00:30] <GridCube> :P
[00:30] <GridCube> but if you clean your ~/ from most . folders it shoulndt have a problem
[00:31] <raevol> hmm, i take it back, i seem to be having an issue keeping usb volumes mounted for an extended period of time
[00:32] <st3ve_> hmm that doesn't sound good.
[00:32] <st3ve_> maybe i'll wait a bit, then...
[00:33] <raevol> might just be this drive though :)
[00:33] <raevol> hehe
[00:33] <raevol> hard to say
[00:44] <raevol> st3ve_: it looks like this usb problem is my drive failing, not an xubuntu problem, thumb drives are mounting fine
[00:52] <raevol> i love the photo-taking feature of the installer if you have a webcam :) too bad i am terrible at taking pictures
[01:00] <raevol> is there a way i can force  a "refresh" of my usb devices?
[01:01] <raevol> i've got an icon to an unmounted thumb drive sitting on my desktop, but it's not plugged in...
[01:40] <dr_jkl> so after the upgrade to ocelot my wifi switch doesnt switch anymore.. just seems to be an off switch
[01:43] <dr_jkl> any ideas?
[01:44] <chaoticgeek> Good evening everyone.
[01:47] <dr_jkl> ooh thats what it is the applet never stops saying the wifi device is not ready
[01:53] <dr_jkl> any ideas,
[01:55] <GridCube> mmm
[01:55] <GridCube> i've heard that problem before
[01:55] <GridCube> i think its a bug
[01:55] <dr_jkl> it was working! but i accidentally hit the wifi switch and it toggled off
[01:56] <dr_jkl> i hit it again but it says device  not ready
[01:57] <GridCube> dr_jkl, bug 839203
[01:57] <dr_jkl> that bug for a device not ready?
[01:58] <dr_jkl> hmm
[01:58] <dr_jkl> but why does my laptop's wifi led turn the right color?
[01:58] <dr_jkl> its only supposed to be red when off, white when on
[01:59] <GridCube> that i don't know
[02:16] <jeroth> God bless you... all of you.... xubuntu saved me from leaving ubuntu.
[02:18] <GridCube> jeroth, :D
[02:29] <raevol> so i just formatted a USB drive
[02:29] <raevol> what group should i assign permissions to it so that users that can mount stuff can write to it?
[02:39] <raevol> nvm got it
[03:08] <sebsebseb> hi
[03:12] <Shirakawasuna> hi
[04:01] <mtrg> i've just upgraded to xubuntu 10.10, but my ibus has only chinese input methods
[04:01] <mtrg> how can i add others?
[04:03] <well_laid_lawn> !ibus
[04:03] <mtrg> you mean ibus is only for these freaky languages?
[04:04] <mtrg> why did xubuntu 10.10 remove my xkb plugin then
[04:04] <well_laid_lawn> I dunno check the link
[04:45] <Shirakawasuna> anyone here know of a thunderbird theme that just replaces the icons with something simple (or alternatively, the current gtk icon theme)? Thunderbird's default icons are annoyingly white in oneiric, I think everyone has this issue. All of the themes I see massively change the look of thunderbird and change it into ugly town
[05:50] <Andres-kain> \join ubuntu-uk
[05:53] <xGrind> Andres-kain; ?
[05:55] <Andres-kain> i keep forgetting commands.
[05:55] <Andres-kain> not too frequent to irc
[05:59] <xGrind> xD
[06:23] <Sysi> irc (client) commands are like binaries under root, /join.bin
[06:23] <Sysi> they're really not but you can remember they like that, not windows-backslash :)
[06:27] <user2011> hi..i have a question...first time to upgrade my xubuntu 11.04 to 11.10 by live cd....right now its stuck on restoring previously installed packages...its been an hour now....how long does this take? does it download all the packages again?
[06:30] <user2011> anyone?
[07:06] <Name141> What does "encrypt home" actually do ? During install.
[07:13] <vinky_> where do I set the BIOS clock settings(if its UTC or local), date and timezone  correctly, ever since I came home from the US the time is 9h off in xubuntu but is okey in gentoo and windows
[07:19] <vinky_> in /etc/default/rcS  UTC=no,  hwclock  shows the correct time
[07:23] <vinky_> posting in #ubuntu
[07:59] <knome> Name141, it makes your /home folder encrypted, which means it's harder to get to any files in it without password
[08:00] <Name141> knome: would this make it harder to preform backups?
[08:01] <knome> Name141, i don't think that makes any difference to that, but i'm not a backup/encryrtion expert :)
[08:02] <Name141> I see.
[08:03] <Name141> knome: not sure I want to try it or not.. *shrug*
[08:04] <knome> Name141, if you have nothing really secret/sensitive there, i'd say don't :)
[08:04] <Name141> not that I know of .
[08:04] <Name141> And it'd be a fresh install
[08:04] <knome> yeah, usually there isn't :)
[08:06] <Ycarene> Are there any compelling reasons right now to go to oneiric from natty?
[08:07] <knome> tbh, the upgrade can be a mess
[08:07] <knome> i upgraded, and i had to do a clean install
[08:08] <knome> unless you are ready to do so too, think twice before upgrading
[08:08] <knome> i don't think there is much of something you'd definitely want, especially if natty is working for you
[08:23] <theQuila> hi there
[08:23] <knome> hello
[08:23] <theQuila> How can I connect a windows share with thunar? or xubuntu in general?
[08:23] <knome> have you looked at gigolo?
[08:24] <theQuila> hmm..I am new at xfce. Let me check...
[08:25] <theQuila> sorry but I am not understanding gigolo...
[08:25] <theQuila> I have a smb share at 10.0.0.34 local ip and I want to connect to it but cannot :(
[08:26] <knome> i don't use gigolo myself, but you should be able to connect to a samba share with it too
[08:26] <Name141> Any idea when the next LTS is schedualed ?
[08:26] <knome> Name141, 12.04, next april
[08:27] <Name141> knome: so it is probably the next release ?
[08:27] <knome> Name141, it IS the next release
[08:27] <Name141> ..bah
[08:27] <Sysi> theQuila: if you have xubuntu 11.04 or newer, you have "network" in thunar sidepanel, ctrl L there works AFAIK
[08:27] <Name141> I might as well install 11.10 then
[08:29] <theQuila> thanks Sysi. I'll check.
[08:29] <theQuila> Sysi; No I don't have a network option there?
[08:29] <theQuila> (I am using xubuntu 11.10)
[08:43] <theQuila> I don't have a network option in Thunar? Why?
[08:49] <xubuntu797> hi
[09:00] <Alantas> (Lucid) Is there a way to set the Gtk theme/style to (intentionally) use the Gtk default engine? (I don't mean Clearlooks or Albatross, I mean the plain one that looks similar to Windows 9x.)
[09:00] <Alantas> Neither the Xfce4 Settings Manager, nor the almighty gnome-color-chooser, seem to actually offer it as an option. Closest is the "Redmond" theme, but I'm assuming that that's meant to look specifically Windows-like.
[09:02] <Sysi> themes call theme engines themselves
[09:03] <Sysi> I think Raleigh is that most basic theme
[09:04] <Sysi> window manager theming isn't related to gtk
[09:05] <Alantas> I'm not talking about the window decorations/frames, I'm talking about the widgetry.
[09:05] <Alantas> Raleigh looks pretty close to it, but it's not the same thing.
[09:07] <Alantas> One would think "Default" would be the one option that'd be universally supported, which is why I'm surprised it's not available for selection.
[09:56] <Arpad2> hello
[09:57] <ryannathans> ohai
[09:59] <Arpad2> how to skip or disable network configuration at start up ?
[10:01] <Arpad2> with the new release the start up takes 2 minutes more that with 11.04
[10:03]  * ryannathans looks around
[10:03] <ryannathans> Arpad2: disable network?
[10:12] <chaoticgeek> yay, installer lets me chat while it installs.
[11:06] <chaoticgeek> My installer has seems to have frozen.
[11:07] <chaoticgeek> It has been on the same spot for the last 40 minutes, my hard drive is not being accessed from what I can hear, and my CD drive does not sound like it is working too much either.
[11:09] <TheSheep> anything in the log?
[11:10] <chaoticgeek> How do I access that? I tried clicking the little arrow icon by the progress bar but it does not expand anything.
[11:10] <chaoticgeek> Ok, this time it just worked.
[11:12] <reon> I need some help. I downloaded Ubuntu 11.10 alternate cd and installed it, I however can't stand it & rebooted the alternate cd to perform a cli base install and then pulled in xubuntu-desktop & restricted extras. Problem is when it boots it never gets to the desktop it just gets stuck between the cli & some garbled gfx flashing between the two all the time. My hdd light flashes and my gpu fan pulses on and off the whole time. Any ideas on how to fix this?
[11:13] <chaoticgeek> Last thing in it is this: ubuntu dbus[1171]: [system] Successfully activated service 'org.freedesktop.UPower'
[11:14] <TheSheep> reon: sounds like a kernel panic
[11:15] <TheSheep> reon: you could try different boot parameters
[11:15] <TheSheep> !boot
[11:15] <TheSheep> reon: see the first link
[11:17] <reon> TheSheep, The entire boot process works fine until it's suppose to to the login screen I think
[11:21] <reon> TheSheep, why would there be a kernel panic but it works fine with ubuntu?
[11:24] <TheSheep> reon: no idea
[11:37] <AlexFromBelgium> Hey all
[11:38] <knome> hello
[11:38] <AlexFromBelgium> How many people use xfce you think? Has it grown since *the desktop we do not speak of*
[11:38] <Sysi> since other DEs grew up?
[11:38] <knome> no idea. i think xfce is probably growing now that gnome and kde are getting less-conservative
[11:39] <AlexFromBelgium> Yh i guess
[11:40] <AlexFromBelgium> I just know I think it's great.
[11:41] <AlexFromBelgium> The problem with "less-conservative" is change, change, change
[11:42] <knome> change itself is not bad, but as is proven, people are afraid of that
[11:42] <AlexFromBelgium> People still use windows xp :p
[11:42] <AlexFromBelgium> Anyone here a webdev? I need suggestions on a webdev ide
[11:43] <AlexFromBelgium> Komodo, netbeans..?
[11:43] <knome> i use gedit/mousepad/leafpad/nano :P
[11:43] <AlexFromBelgium> Hehe
[11:44] <Kazurik> Pretty sure the answer to any text editing question ever is vim
[11:44] <reon> I managed to get the desktop loaded but something is funny, everything uses the default xfce config and not the xubuntu one? How can I apply the xubuntu settings?
[11:45] <AlexFromBelgium> Kazurik, is vim that powerful? I heard lost about it. I thought it was just a text editor?
[11:45] <Sysi> reon: you don't have xubuntu-default-settings installed or you chose xfce-session instead of xubuntu session on login
[11:45] <knome> !better
[11:46] <knome> errm, that was a bit different than i thought :)
[11:46] <knome> anyway, what i was trying to say is that only you can choose what's best for you
[11:46] <knome> i don't like things to obstruct me, which is why i like to keep with very simple editors
[11:47] <knome> others might like editors that fill in functions etc.
[11:47] <AlexFromBelgium> of course, of course...
[11:47] <Kazurik> I as more joking than anything else with the vim suggestion. Vim is very popular for anything text editing related though.
[11:47] <AlexFromBelgium> I think I want something more advanced :)
[11:47] <Sysi> reon: you need to log in to virtual terminal and delete xfce settings and log in to xubuntu-session, ctrl alt F6 rm -rf ~/config/xfce* ctrl alt F7 or F8 to get back to GUI
[11:48] <reon> Sysi, I don't have a loging screen I had to alt-f1 and login via cli and then startx
[11:48] <AlexFromBelgium> Thx guys... I'll look around a bit more.
[11:48] <Sysi> reon: propably easiest to just set up your desktop the way you want
[11:49] <reon> Sysi, I cannot get xubuntu installed properly, this is my 3rd attemp and I never get to the login screen.
[11:52] <ryannathans> reon: same
[11:52] <Kazurik> What happends if you do "sudo service lightdm start" from the alt + f1 cli?
[11:53] <reon> Karzurik, have not tried that, will try it as soon as my nvidia driver install is completed
[11:53] <reon> Sorry, Kazurik
[11:59] <ruud> hi all
[12:00] <Guest11775> is there a way to change the lightdm theme in xubuntu?
[12:00] <reon> omfg, the nvidia driver install failed halfway through the download...
[12:01] <Guest11775> thats bad
[12:01] <Guest11775> do it again
[12:02] <Guest11775> nobody can help me with lightdm?
[12:03] <reon> doing it again does not work either...
[12:05] <Guest11775> you have synaptic installed?
[12:06] <Kazurik> Is there any reason you are compiling the drivers yourself instead of installing the nvidia-current package?
[12:06] <Guest11775> fire that up and look if nvidia is installed, if so remove it and then try again
[12:06] <reon> Kazurik, "sudo service lightdm start" does creates the exact same problem I get with a normal boot so it's safe to assume the problem is lightdm. How do I fix it though?
[12:08] <reon> yes I have synaptic installed
[12:08] <TheSheep> reon: you could try gdm/kdm instead....
[12:08] <Guest11775> LightDM writes verbose logs to /var/log/lightdm
[12:08] <knome> reon, 'dpkg-reconfigure gdm' to use gdm instead
[12:11] <reon> only nvidia I have installed is nvidia common
[12:11] <Kazurik> That should be the nvidia restricted driver
[12:11] <reon> xserver-xorg-video-nouveau is however installed
[12:15] <reon> x-0.log paste.ubuntu.com/708511/
[12:16] <reon> lightdm.log paste.ubuntu.com/708514/
[12:20] <Kazurik> What happens if you do a "sudo dpkg install --reinstall nvidia-current" and then a "sudo dpkg install --reinstall lightdm"?
[12:23] <reon> ok, i removed nouveau and installed nvidia, still the same problem but now it flashes back and forth and I can't get to cli
[12:24] <reon> ok, after some time it allows me to switch to terminal.
[12:25] <reon> What's wrong with lightdm? It worked fine in ubuntu 11.10 yesterday?
[12:26] <Kazurik> It looks like X is failing so lightdm is stopping
[12:27] <reon> i can startx manually though witout lightdm
[12:33] <reon> ok, gdm works fine which means X is good. Is this a common problem with lightdm?
[12:34] <Kazurik> Not that I know of. Did you did run "sudo dpkg install --reinstall lightdm"?
[12:41] <reon> "sudo dpkg install --reinstall lightdm" yields error dpkg: error: need an action option
[12:53] <Kazurik> What if you do a "sudo apt-get install --reinstall lightdm" followed by a "sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm"?
[12:53] <gentoo_drummer> anyone here?
[12:53] <TheSheep> nope
[12:53] <TheSheep> nobody
[12:53] <Kazurik> nope
[12:53] <TheSheep> just us, mice
[12:54] <gentoo_drummer> is there any way to install xubuntu but without all the crap it comes with?
[12:54] <Kazurik> ...what?
[12:54] <gentoo_drummer> like gdm, apps etc?
[12:54] <TheSheep> what would you like to install?
[12:54] <TheSheep> there is ubuntu server
[12:54] <gentoo_drummer> looking for xfce really + the nice ubuntu font rendering
[12:55] <TheSheep> you can isntall ubuntu server and then whatever you want from xubuntu
[12:55] <gentoo_drummer> i used ubuntu alternate install command line
[12:55] <TheSheep> it's all in the repos
[12:55] <gentoo_drummer> why would i install ubuntu server?
[12:55] <TheSheep> to get a base ubuntu install
[12:55] <TheSheep> it seems that you did just that
[12:55] <gentoo_drummer> i already have tht through alternate install
[12:56] <TheSheep> then just add whetever you need from xubuntu and you are all set
[12:56] <gentoo_drummer> i just need the fonts tbh
[12:56] <gentoo_drummer> not the whole xubuntu desktop
[12:56] <TheSheep> sure
[12:56] <TheSheep> then install the fonts
[12:56] <gentoo_drummer> do you remember the package?
[12:57] <TheSheep> which fonts do you want?
[12:57] <TheSheep> dejavu?
[12:58] <gentoo_drummer> not sure what comes default with xubuntu?
[12:58] <TheSheep> btw, you can search in the package manager (synaptic) or at packages.ubuntu.com, or with apt-cache search
[12:58] <TheSheep> just look at what the xubuntu-desktop metapackage depends on
[12:59] <gentoo_drummer> i believe that the libs are patched for xubuntu fonts
[12:59] <reon> Kazurik, goes back to the same problem
[12:59] <TheSheep> it's the same libs as regular ubuntu
[12:59] <gentoo_drummer> i need to know exactly the fonts used within xubuntu so i can pick up the right deps
[12:59] <knome> gentoo_drummer, no, they are not. the title font is droid sans bold.
[13:00] <knome> gentoo_drummer, normal font is droid sans
[13:00] <gentoo_drummer> in xubuntu?
[13:00] <knome> no, on the surface of the moon
[13:00] <knome> ;)
[13:00] <gentoo_drummer> wow
[13:01] <gentoo_drummer> ur fuuny
[13:01] <knome> remind you, you are asking #xubuntu.
[13:01] <gentoo_drummer> :P
[13:01] <knome> i don't know a bit about ubuntu fonts
[13:01] <Vlyn> Uhm, hi!
[13:01] <knome> they probably use the new ubuntu font family
[13:01] <knome> hello
[13:01] <Vlyn> I'm just installing Xubuntu, why is the server for the packages so slow?
[13:01] <gentoo_drummer> so droid fonts default xubuntu?
[13:01] <TheSheep> the package for the ubuntu fonts is ttf-ubuntu-font-family
[13:02] <Vlyn> It needs over 3 hours -.-
[13:02] <TheSheep> for droid it's ttf-droid
[13:02] <knome> Vlyn, many users?
[13:02] <Kazurik> reon, do you also have the lightdm-gtk-greeter installed?
[13:03] <Vlyn> Ouch, an option to select a mirror would be good ^^
[13:03] <Vlyn> But atleast I get rid of Unity *sigh*
[13:05] <reon> Kazurik, yes I have it installed
[13:06] <Vlyn> Alright then, bye, have a nice day *Goes back to staring at the remaining download time*
[13:07] <Kazurik> Did you happen to set the nomodeset option when installing?
[13:08] <reon> Kazurik, ??? what's that?
[13:09] <Kazurik> Something that shouldn't matter once you have nvidia drivers working. More here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132
[13:19] <reon> my theme does not match the normal xubuntu one and my fonts also look crap. Why does this have to be so difficult, beginning to think changing from debian was a mistake, sigh
[13:21] <Kazurik> Did you install from a Ubuntu install CD or from a Xubuntu install cd?
[13:23] <reon> Kazurik, from ubuntu alternate cd I did a base (cli) install followed by xubuntu-desktop etc
[13:31] <reon> anyone here care to share the default 11.10 font settings please?
[13:31] <prg318> hello; i love xubuntu -- that is all :D
[13:33] <reon> anyone?
[13:33] <knome> prg318, good to hear that
[13:34] <Sysi> reon: if you want the easy way, reinstall to default setup, hard to tell about full setup if ~nobody has done it
[13:35] <prg318> knome: i like the ubuntu platform, but not a fan of gnome 3.  its great to see the out-of-the-box hardware compatibility of ubuntu with the awesomeness of XFCE.  i reguarlly use it as a test bed for some dev stuff and recommend it to friends to use on the desktop
[13:35] <knome> prg318, yup, it's a solid alternative
[13:36] <reon> Sysi, this is my third reinstall
[13:36] <Kazurik> I wonder if anyone actually likes Unity.
[13:36] <reon> Shhh
[13:36] <prg318> shuttleworth?
[13:36] <Sysi> somebody made it to be the way it is
[13:36] <prg318> my parents like it on their netbook
[13:37] <prg318> for what that's worth -- they're mostly just pleased with the speed increase over windowsXP -- but that's not really thanks to unity at all
[13:37] <Sysi> reon: what debian did you use, stable?
[13:37] <reon> Sysi, I used stable with apt pinning for stuff from testing
[13:38] <Sysi> I'm on fedora currently but I may switch to something else before F15 goes EOL
[13:41] <reon> I'm just a bit ticked off right now. There is nothing special about what I did and everything should work like a normal install from a xubuntu cd.
[13:42] <Sysi> (that's why I'm not on xubuntu..)
[13:42] <knome> Sysi, booo, that was a bad comment, and under the belt really. that happens to every distribution
[13:44] <reon> Sysi, the reason I moved to 11.10 is because debian stable has old packages, using apt pinning for testing can introduce some dependency issues as I found out. Ubuntu has lots of support and there are gazillions off PPAs out there. i love Arch but the constant updates just eat to much of my limited bandwidth.
[13:46] <incorrect> well tried unity, the fact you can't change the desktop font size has caused me to come running back
[13:57] <g00se> How do i bring up network manager please?
[13:58] <xubuntu969> hello !!
[13:59] <incorrect> hello
[14:01] <Kazurik> I believe the default Xubuntu network manager is called nm. You can start the gui part of it by starting "nm-applet" or use it's CLI interface by running "nmcli"
[14:02] <Kazurik> To see the nm-applet you will need a panel with the indicator plugin on it
[14:04] <g00se> Thanks
[14:17] <g00se> Kazurik: I'm using a live version prior to installing. Do you know if there are firmware issues with some wireless chips?
[14:18] <incorrect> wow hdd's are so slow at installing
[14:19] <incorrect> hopefully an SSD will be on the cards
[14:20] <reon> Just great, mu sound is also dead...
[14:22] <incorrect> did you just do a fresh install?
[14:23] <reon> who?
[14:24] <incorrect> you
[14:34] <reon> ubuntu base install from alternate cd + xubuntu-desktop etc. etc.
[14:37] <incorrect> i did something similar over pxe
[14:39] <reon> and how did that work out? Mine seems a bit of a disaster really
[14:41] <incorrect> well other than a ton of ugly gtk3 apps, i have my ldap auth working now
[14:41] <incorrect> stupid changes to how they used to do it confused me
[14:41] <incorrect> about ‌to install lastfm
[14:42] <incorrect> some reason file roller is installed
[14:42] <incorrect> ugly!
[14:44] <reon> sure you can remove it and replace with something like xarchiver etc
[14:44] <incorrect> thanks saved me looking for it ;)
[14:46] <reon> might as well get rid of parole as well
[14:47] <incorrect> and use?
[14:49] <incorrect> brb
[14:52] <reon> vlc or smplayer
[14:54] <incorrect> thanks
[14:54] <knome> remember, there is no single best application, all depends on what you need, want and like yourself too :)
[14:55] <incorrect> bye bye panel 2, don't eat my screen real estate thank you
[14:56] <incorrect> knome, however if someone else as reasons to suggest something, it is often worth investigating
[14:56] <knome> incorrect, of course. :) i was just saying
[14:56] <g00se> Anyone know the default password for user 'ubuntu' in live please?
[14:57] <incorrect> agree just blindly doing something someone says is foolish
[14:57] <Sysi> on xfce I'd say gnome-mplayer is nicer than smplayer
[14:58] <XubuntuKris> So I have a genmon on my screen panel that displays "uname -n" and occasionally it goes blank. I can make it show up again by right clicking where it's supposed to be, then clicking properties and then closing the properties windows.
[14:58] <XubuntuKris> I wanna know either a: why it's disappearing or b: how to make it stop
[14:58] <reon> anyone want to try and help me fix my sound so I can at least listen to some tunes while I pull my hair out :)
[14:58] <incorrect> i wonder why file roller was installed,
[14:59] <incorrect> oh character map is also gtk3
[15:00] <reon> what does one use to make qt apps adopt the gtk theme?
[15:00] <XubuntuKris> reon: open terminal
[15:00] <XubuntuKris> and type alsamixer
[15:00] <reon> yes, I've already done that
[15:00] <XubuntuKris> all vols at full?
[15:00] <XubuntuKris> or at audible levels at least
[15:01] <reon> yes, master, pcm & front are set to 93
[15:01] <incorrect> i wonder if xfce will mode to gtk3
[15:02] <XubuntuKris> I have a nice gui for my alsa mixer, it has a mute checkbox...
[15:02] <XubuntuKris> ???
[15:02] <incorrect> brb
[15:03] <XubuntuKris> reon: did you have sound before?
[15:04] <reon> before what?
[15:04] <XubuntuKris> Or is this your initial setup of your sound card?
[15:04] <XubuntuKris> like, did it go out or was it working ... yesterday ... last week?
[15:04] <reon> fresh install, never worked
[15:05] <XubuntuKris> xubuntu 11.10?
[15:06] <reon> no, ubuntu 11.10 base install with xubuntu-desktop & settings etc
[15:07] <XubuntuKris> kk
[15:07] <XubuntuKris> hang on
[15:10] <incorrect> did someone say there was an xfce network manager?
[15:10] <chaoticgeek> Ok, fresh install, everything is configured properly except for java I think. One last thing to do.
[15:11] <incorrect> chaoticgeek, sun-jdk doesn't exist
[15:12] <reon> my install pulled in openjdk-6-jre & some icedtea stuff
[15:13] <incorrect> oh mine too
[15:13] <incorrect> on ubuntu unity i was left with no java
[15:13] <chaoticgeek> I'm going to have to use that or sun, It would be nice if the sun one existed.
[15:13] <prg318> incorrect: you can use wicd in xfce
[15:14] <incorrect> thanks prg318
[15:14] <prg318> np
[15:15] <XubuntuKris> reon: you install your sound modules?
[15:15] <incorrect> wicd-gtk?
[15:15] <prg318> development on wicd has somewhat stalled, but it still works very well
[15:15] <prg318> yes
[15:16] <reon> XubuntuKris, like? i don't recall installing anything for sound as I assumed xubuntu-desktop would have taken care of that?
[15:16] <XubuntuKris> It sometimes won't auto install what it needs for sound if it doesn't recognize your sound card
[15:17] <XubuntuKris> I can't remember the command right now that will display your sound card info....
[15:17] <reon> how can I check?
[15:20] <incorrect> is there an xfce equiv to whatever in gnome2 was intercepting the ssh and starting ssh-agent for you?
[15:21] <XubuntuKris> reon: try lspci in terminal
[15:21] <XubuntuKris> that should tell you about your sound card
[15:22] <prg318> lspci | grep -i audio     # possibley
[15:22] <XubuntuKris> ^^that would be more specific
[15:22] <chaoticgeek> There is a ppa that has sun java 6 in it. https://launchpad.net/~ferramroberto/+archive/java
[15:22] <reon> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01)
[15:23] <XubuntuKris> ha, I have the same one
[15:23] <XubuntuKris> only mine is rev 02
[15:23] <XubuntuKris> Now I gotta remember how I installed my sound card drivers
[15:24] <reon> lsmod shows me I have a lot of modules running
[15:24] <XubuntuKris> one of them should be snd_hda_intel
[15:25] <XubuntuKris> snd_hda_codec
[15:25] <reon> http://paste.ubuntu.com/708601/
[15:25] <reon> snd_hda_codec         104802  2 snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_hda_intel
[15:26] <XubuntuKris> You have all the modules...
[15:26] <XubuntuKris> hmmm...
[15:33] <XubuntuKris> reon: humor me and do alsamixer again...at the bottom of each of the sound bars, does it display MM?
[15:34] <reon> no, i unmuted the ones i need
[15:34] <XubuntuKris> Unmute all of them
[15:34] <knome> reon, for example, my sound card needs some more channels unmuted than i absolutely need - some mixing channels etc.
[15:35] <incorrect> i have no sound either
[15:35] <XubuntuKris> ^^
[15:35] <incorrect> weird as i had sound with ubuntu (unity)
[15:35] <knome> did you also look at pavucontrol??
[15:35] <reon> lol, incorrect. see this it what happens with custom installs :D
[15:35] <reon> what's pavucontrol?
[15:36] <TheSheep> pulseaudio volume control
[15:36] <knome> volume control app for pulseaudio
[15:37] <incorrect> ah fixed
[15:39] <reon> XubuntuKris & knome, unmuting all the channels fixed my sound, thanks!!! This is the first time in my life where this was needed, I always do the same channels in ubuntu, debian, arch.
[15:40] <XubuntuKris> np
[15:40] <incorrect> ah this is good
[15:40] <knome> :)
[15:40] <reon> incorrct, how are your fonts looking?
[15:40] <incorrect> reon, not too ugly
[15:40] <reon> sorry, incorrect
[15:41] <reon> I can't get mine to look like those in a normal install.
[15:41] <incorrect> xfce session they are all over the place
[15:41] <incorrect> xubuntu session they look much better
[15:42] <incorrect> adding hinting to medium looks great
[15:42] <incorrect> and sub-pixel to vertical RGB
[15:42] <incorrect> and font size to 8
[15:42] <incorrect> now things look sweet
[15:43] <reon> incorrect, can you tell me your font settings, default font, hinting, sub-piel order dpi etc?
[15:43] <incorrect> default
[15:43] <incorrect> 96dpi
[15:44] <reon> what is your default font, sans?
[15:44] <incorrect> yep
[15:44] <reon> I just tried your settings and they don't loo good here
[15:44] <incorrect> oh
[15:44] <incorrect> what gfx driver?
[15:45] <reon> nvidia
[15:45] <incorrect> ah
[15:45] <incorrect> i've not enabled that yet
[15:46] <reon> I installed mine via https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates
[15:46] <incorrect> hmm, where is the hardware wiz
[15:46] <incorrect> i always take what is stable
[15:47] <ElderDryas> I always replace (after backing up) my /etc/fonts/conf.avail/51-local.conf with http://pastebin.com/pZWLsceJ  as well as the settings in Appearence. Makes apps like FF look much better.
[15:48] <ElderDryas> If you like full hinting, change the <const>hintslight</const> line to <const>hintfull</const>
[15:48] <reon> Ok, Sans 9, Medium, RGB, Custom 96 yields much better fonts
[15:49] <incorrect> hmm, how do you install the nvidia driver under xubuntu?
[15:49] <incorrect> apt?
[15:49] <ElderDryas> jockey
[15:49] <ElderDryas> Or Additional Drivers...same thing
[15:50] <incorrect> i don't have additional drivers
[15:50] <ElderDryas> I guess it's jockey-gtk officially
[15:50] <reon> sudo apt-get install nvidia-current nvidia-settings but you have to stop X first
[15:50] <incorrect> ok thanks
[15:50] <incorrect> brb
[15:51] <Jack> hi all
[15:51] <Jack> Whats up
[15:51] <ElderDryas> my blood pressure
[15:51] <Guest17481> lol
[15:51] <DanielSenat> I did install nautilus pastebin, but i can't find it!
[15:52] <Guest17481> I am installing xubuntu right now :P
[15:52] <DanielSenat> :)
[15:52] <DanielSenat> Xubuntu is nice !
[15:52] <Guest17481> I want to use it for its low ram desktop environment
[15:52] <reon> yes it's nicer than the other options :D
[15:53] <Guest17481> I am running minecraft on my machine from 2005
[15:53] <reon> I also love Openbox
[15:53] <Guest17481> I have to run the server from this pc too
[15:53] <Guest17481> Its really laggy st some times
[15:54] <reon> Anyone using the Aw)ken icons? They are really cool, I installed them fromt he natty ppa.
[15:54] <Guest17481> Oh i think ill try once its done installing
[15:54] <TheSheep> link?
[15:54] <reon> Aw0ken sorry
[15:54] <Guest17481> ya link?
[15:55] <incorrect> fonts look up with the nvidia driver
[15:55] <incorrect> weirdly this onboard keyboard loaded up
[15:55] <ElderDryas> bug
[15:55] <Guest17481> oDO  its finishing !!!
[15:55] <Guest17481> :D
[15:55] <reon> incorrect, try my settings and see how they work for you
[15:55] <ElderDryas> incorrect: it's a bug, see the release notes
[15:56] <incorrect> ElderDryas, fair enough
[15:56] <Guest17481> Do you think they will fix it in the near future
[15:56] <ElderDryas> Guest17481: Don't know. hope so.  But if you don't need it, remove it (I do anyway)
[15:56] <incorrect> i wish xubuntu had the application grip disabled by default in gtk themes
[15:57] <reon> also changed the terminal fonts to monospace 10. Might switch to sakura or terminator though
[15:57] <incorrect> reon, what are your settings?
[15:57] <TheSheep> incorrect: you can disable it easily
[15:58] <Guest17481> I'mma restart and boot into my 250GB IDE Ultra that I just installed xubuntu on through this USB stick :P
[15:58] <incorrect> TheSheep, oh well
[15:58] <incorrect> its hateful
[15:58] <incorrect> my next problem is mercurial 1.9.1 isn't going to like my self cert
[15:58] <reon> incorrect, http://ompldr.org/vYXRsdw/Screenshot%20-%2015102011%20-%2017:57:54.png
[15:59] <reon> Sans 9, Hinting: Medium, Sub-pixel order: RGB, Custom DPI 96 ticked.
[15:59] <incorrect> RGB is blurry for me
[15:59] <reon> also changed the terminal fonts to monospace 10
[15:59] <incorrect> doesn't look too bad
[16:00] <Sysi> I can't find any font bug in release notes
[16:00] <incorrect> fonts are ok for me
[16:00] <incorrect> they aren't as pretty as they used to be in gnome2 days
[16:00] <incorrect> but they are 90% as good
[16:01] <incorrect> qt apps are the weak point
[16:01] <Sysi> what qt apps do you need?
[16:01] <reon> weird because the vertical options for me are blurry
[16:01] <incorrect> skype and lastfm
[16:02] <knome> vlc, vbox :)
[16:03] <reon> yes, what does one install to make the qt apps follow the gtk theme?
[16:03] <incorrect> well this is much better than stupid unity
[16:03] <reon> +billions & billions
[16:03] <Sysi> reon: if they don't do that automatically you propably need to install systemsettings for that
[16:03] <incorrect> seriously i couldn't change the font size
[16:03]  * incorrect goes to bang his head against the wall
[16:04] <incorrect> kudos to xubuntu and xfce
[16:04] <reon> Sysi, ooh no another 60 odd megs of stuff
[16:04] <Sysi> reon: they should follow ftk by default, dunno why they don't do that for you, do you happen to use old /home partition?
[16:05] <reon> incorrect also check out the Aw0ken icon theme, it goes really well with the xubuntu theme
[16:05] <reon> Sysi no
[16:05] <incorrect> reon, i use BBS for the wm theme and mist
[16:06] <incorrect> so systemsettings will sort out my qt/gtk theme probs?
[16:06] <reon> link
[16:06] <incorrect> ok i will suck it and see
[16:07] <reon> Sysi, I just launched vlc again to take a snapshot for you and now it looks 100% fine! Weird, the first time I launched it it did not match?
[16:08] <reon> incorrect, I just checked and my qt apps are now looking fine, I have not installed systemsettings
[16:08] <incorrect> reon, you must have something i don't
[16:08] <Sysi> systemsettings is kde settings manager, at least you can set Qt appearance with that
[16:10] <reon> This is what vlc looks like http://ompldr.org/vYXRtMA/Screenshot%20-%2015102011%20-%2018:09:11.png
[16:11] <knome> hrrrr, big fonts ;)
[16:12] <reon> who's got big fonts?
[16:12] <knome> you :)
[16:12] <Sysi> tad smaller than mine
[16:12] <knome> ugh. :)
[16:13] <reon> Huh?, sans size 9 on 1920x1080 screens
[16:13] <knome> i have droid sans 10, and that's smaller
[16:13] <incorrect> low res screen
[16:14] <knome> nope. 1920x1200
[16:14] <Sysi> xdpyinfo | grep resolution
[16:14] <incorrect> i am resisting a dell U2711
[16:14] <reon> resistance is futile :D
[16:14] <Sysi> 101x101 DPI for me
[16:15] <reon> I need to calculate my monitors DPI
[16:15] <knome> 93x95
[16:15] <Sysi> xdpyinfo | grep resolution tells it
[16:16] <reon> 95x94, but is that correct?
[16:16] <Sysi> sounds quite normal for oldish tft
[16:17] <incorrect> wow fixing up mercurial to use my self cert was easier than i expected
[16:18] <Sysi> I have 22" 1920×1080 and it says DPI is 101, I think that's correct
[16:18] <reon> looks like I just have to figure out why lightdm won't work and my issues are ironed out.
[16:18] <Jack-xubuntu> Hay guys.
[16:18] <reon> Anyone else disbale desktop icons?
[16:18] <Jack-xubuntu> I have a question
[16:18] <Sysi> I always have empty desktop
[16:19] <knome> !ask | Jack-xubuntu
[16:19] <Jack-xubuntu> I just installed xubuntu and now it wont boot. Do you think something went wrong with the install
[16:19] <reon> Sysi, it force me to sort my crap else I just dump stuff all over the desktop
[16:19] <reon> how di you install it?
[16:20] <incorrect> 80dpi with no sub pixel looks ok
[16:20] <Jack-xubuntu> I have a backup live os and that booted perfectly
[16:20] <Sysi> reon: I'm a bit neurotic, I use downloads-folder as tmp if something
[16:20] <incorrect> slight AA
[16:20] <Jack-xubuntu> but the install from the usb didnt turn out right
[16:20] <Jack-xubuntu> Should i try aigan
[16:21] <Sysi> does rhythmbox work on oneiric? it was bugsy on natty
[16:22] <Jack-xubuntu> I am going to retry the install. THen I'll come back and try to figure out the problem if any.
[16:22] <incorrect> ah just skype is not using my theme
[16:23] <Sysi> propietary app, hard to say what theming it's supposed to be using
[16:23] <drc> Sysi: Never had a problem on natty, but the one on oneiric appears to have left out the streaming radio on the beta/daily version I checked, so I didn't install it when I made the change.
[16:23] <TheSheep> incorrect: there was a command line option to make skype use the system theme
[16:23] <TheSheep> incorrect: otherwise it uses its own
[16:24] <incorrect> i don't care
[16:24] <incorrect> it can stay a it is
[16:24] <Sysi> drc: I had issues with it on natty, haven't tried on my virtual oneiric
[16:26] <drc> Sysi: Weel, I guess I'll have to install it and find out :)
[16:26] <Sysi> or I can do that
[16:27] <drc> Sysi: Seeing as you had troubles on natty and I didn't, I guess we both should
[16:27] <Sysi> still no hybrid iso:s for oneiric :/
[16:28] <drc> Still no streaming radio in rhythmbox...uninstall
[16:47] <incorrect> well 11.04 to 11.10 really is a lesson in diminishing returns
[16:47] <reon> gnome-mplayer is pretty nice, will uninstall smplayer
[16:47] <reon> why?
[16:48] <incorrect> from an xfce stand point, a fair number of apps are ugly
[16:48] <incorrect> from a unity point of view, really? i can't change the font size via the standard untils
[16:49] <reon> which apps? just change them for others
[16:49] <incorrect> take the app centre
[16:49] <incorrect> the network manager
[16:50] <incorrect> well if i install something i don't really want to spend hours uninstalling what are considered the best choice apps because they are in a different widget set
[16:52] <reon> I hear you
[16:52] <incorrect> so really 11.10 is a step back for a xubuntu user
[16:53] <prg318> you've got a point about gtk3 themes and gtk2 themes being inconsistant, but i wouldn't call xubuntu a REGRESSION because of that
[16:53] <reon> Maybe it's time everybody adopted gtk3
[16:54] <prg318> reon: no.  xfce wont be adopting it for a while either
[16:54] <incorrect> i don't blame xfce
[16:54] <tokk> i'm installing xubuntu 11.10 right now, alternate cd. installing grub fails ("Executing 'grub-install /dev/sdb' failed."). syslog says http://paste.ubuntu.com/708678/
[16:54] <reon> And then I also think we shouldall just be using Qt
[16:54] <incorrect> brb
[16:54] <tokk> /usr/sbin/grub-probe doesn't exist
[16:55] <incorrect> something had gone wrong with xchat and all the messing round with fonts
[16:55] <reon> tokk, did you install xubuntu to /dev/sdb ?
[16:58] <tokk> reon, encrypted lvm on sdb
[17:00] <reon> tokk, do you have a separate /boot partition outside off the LVM?
[17:01] <Jack-xubntu> hay
[17:02] <Jack-xubntu> I got the installer to work
[17:02] <reon> how did it go Jack-xubntu
[17:02] <Jack-xubntu> I Just re-installed and booted
[17:02] <tokk> reon, well, i seem to be an idiot. no. nevermind. :)
[17:03] <Jack-xubntu> now im upgrading to 11.10
[17:03] <reon> tokk, lol
[17:03] <reon> Jack-xubntu, why did you not install 11.10 from scratch then?
[17:04] <Jack-xubntu> I didnt want to have to re download the .iso and re create the usb installer
[17:05] <Jack-xubntu> too much hassle
[17:05] <Jack-xubntu> I just need to get flash player and sun java working after the update
[17:06] <reon> Jack-xubntu, I reckon your current method is more hassle. Creating a usb is a simple as using dd if= of=. Some people are having problems with the upgrade.
[17:06] <reon> Skype works just fine here
[17:06] <Jack-xubntu> Oh... ok
[17:06] <Jack-xubntu> Well i didnt know
[17:07] <Jack-xubntu> that might be really useful...
[17:08] <Jack-xubntu> Are you suggesting that i shoud just install 11.10 from usb
[17:08] <incorrect> i wonder if xfce will migrate to gtk3
[17:09] <TheSheep> I hope not
[17:10] <incorrect> is gtk3 much heavier?
[17:10] <incorrect> i've not really read up on what the deal with gtk3 is
[17:12] <Jack-xubntu> Is it possible to stop a distrobution upgrade.
[17:13] <reon> no idea, why?
[17:14] <Jack-xubntu> well i am thinking if i can stop the distribution upgrade and reboot, i can just install 11.10 from the usb stick i just created
[17:15] <Jack-xubntu> i geuss its too late for that
[17:15] <reon> Stop it then. I think It only does the upgrade after all the files have been downloaded
[17:15] <Jack-xubntu> OH
[17:15] <Jack-xubntu> ok
[17:15] <Jack-xubntu> wait
[17:15] <reon> you should be able to turn the repos back if needed
[17:15] <Jack-xubntu> its installing the new distro
[17:15] <Jack-xubntu> ok
[17:15] <reon> damn, you must have fast internet
[17:15] <Jack-xubntu> ya i do
[17:15] <Jack-xubntu> my dad works for comcast
[17:16] <Jack-xubntu> 10 meg up 50 meg down
[17:16] <reon> lucky bugger, I'll swap you my 384kb/s adsl :D
[17:16] <Jack-xubntu> lol
[17:17] <reon> with those speeds I would just download the ISO anyway and write it to usb incase it is needed. So if your install is a bit quirky just install with the new version
[17:18] <Jack-xubntu> Ok then, i just created a new usb a couple of mineutes ago on my Ubuntu natty laptop
[17:18] <Jack-xubntu> Narwhals ftw
[17:22] <Jack-xubntu> I cant believe that I know more about computers than my dad.Hwn it come to linux
[17:25] <dr_jkl> so... yeah.
[17:26] <Jack-xubuntu> ...
[17:26] <Jack-xubuntu> kinda quiet
[17:26] <raju> how can i know that my grpahics drivers are installed propelry
[17:26] <dr_jkl> the upgrade to ocelot makes my wifi key on my laptop do strange things
[17:26] <dr_jkl> the light is red when off and white when on.  the wifi is on and associated and the led is still red
[17:27] <Jack-xubuntu> Must be another bug...
[17:27] <dr_jkl> This worked under natty...
[17:27] <thegladiator> how do I remove the desktop's icon shadow
[17:27] <Jack-xubuntu> I know, natty is way more reliable.
[17:28] <raju> thegladiator:  type ccsm in terminal
[17:28]  * drc thinks that everybody will say the same thing about 11.10 when 12.04 comes out
[17:28] <dr_jkl>  i agree
[17:28] <Sysi> LTS should be carefully tested
[17:28] <dr_jkl> ijust wish i could fix the bug
[17:29] <drc> dr_jkl: File it
[17:29] <thegladiator> what would that do rj
[17:29] <thegladiator> raju,
[17:30] <thegladiator> how is compiz related to desktop icons
[17:30] <raju> thegladiator: or open desktop properties by rightclick
[17:31] <raju> thegladiator:  give a try
[17:31] <thegladiator> ok but didnt find anything thats why
[17:31] <thegladiator> do u have shadow in your desktop icons too ?
[17:31] <drc> thegladiator: Turn off Compositor in Window Manager Tweaks?
[17:34] <thegladiator> will that help ?
[17:34] <thegladiator> I dont need compositor?
[17:34] <Jack-xubuntu> I am restarting my computer to finish the update. fingers crossed!
[17:35] <drc> thegladiator: Need? of course not, it's eye candy.  Want? That's another story
[17:35] <raju> thegladiator:  do you have anything like cairo ?
[17:36] <dmg> is there a way to turn off the integrated mousepad on a notebook
[17:36] <drc> yes
[17:37] <drc> let me get the command
[17:37] <dmg> ok
[17:37] <drc> synclient TouchPadOff=1
[17:38] <drc> put this in Removable Drives and Media>Input devices and when you plug in your USB mouse, it will turn off the touchpad
[17:38] <thegladiator> yeah i have cairo
[17:38] <thegladiator> hence need compositor ,good guess
[17:38] <raju> thegladiator:  then dont do disbale of compositor
[17:39] <dmg> ok
[17:39] <thegladiator> how do I disable the shadow ?
[17:39] <raju> if you did then it wont work propely
[17:39] <thegladiator> yeah I figured that in openwm session . but how do I actually remove the desktop icon's shadow ? there has to be some method but its not listed in desktop settings
[17:41] <dmg> so in which file exactly?
[17:41] <reon> weird, my icons did not have shadows but I disabled desktop icons anyway, don't like them
[17:42] <thegladiator> interesting
[17:42] <drc> dmg: Applications Menu>Settings>Settings Manager>Settings>Removable Drives>Mice
[17:42] <dmg> ok ill try
[17:43] <drc> dmg: You can try that can try that command in a terminal, just to make sure it works.  (=0 turns the touchpad back on)
[17:44] <dmg> ok ill try the commmand
[17:46] <dmg> many thnks drc! i got it!
[17:46] <drc> dmg: np
[17:49] <dmg> goodbye drc , I quit for now, u were great help
[17:49] <drc> dmg: Good luck
[17:50] <Vlyn> Hey, I got a little problem: I want to know how much space is used on my SSD. But Xubuntu always says: 128.0 TB O.o looking at the HDD is fine though.
[17:52] <raju> Vlyn:  have you tried df-h
[17:52] <Vlyn> raju: df-what? Let me google that
[17:53] <reon> df -h
[17:53] <raju> Vlyn: df -h
[17:53] <raju> reon:  thanks man
[17:53] <Vlyn> Oh, got it
[17:54] <Vlyn> Ok, looks fine
[17:54] <Vlyn> Ty
[17:54] <thegladiator> xubuntu is pretty good , isnt linux using xfce now ?
[17:54] <Jack-xubuntu> Ok, I just updated to 11.10 from 11.04. No bugs/glitches or problems yet.
[17:55] <reon> nice
[17:55] <thegladiator> linus I mean
[17:55] <reon> yes i think linus switched to xfce
[17:55] <thegladiator> nice
[17:56]  * drc wonders if a vishy is a gladiator that lost?
[17:56] <Jack-xubuntu> Is there a way to install 64 bit skype from Ubuntu software center?
[17:57] <reon> huh, there is a 64bit version?
[17:57] <DanielSenat> I lost the optionfield in audacious, how to get it back
[17:57] <thevishy> i am a normal man when I am not the gladiator
[17:57] <Jack-xubuntu> Yah i think so... If there is I have it on my install of 64 ubuntu.
[17:58] <reon> DanielSenat, where is this option field you speak of? I've got audacioous open
[17:58] <DanielSenat> Not really optionfield, but where you have all the options, show for example
[17:58] <DanielSenat> archives
[17:59] <DanielSenat> I chosed to not show it, so it disappeared
[18:00] <DanielSenat> Where you normally find help, tools etc
[18:00] <DanielSenat> maybe the name for it is toolbar
[18:01] <chuma> hello, anyone has a problem with sound sync in video on vlc player? I found this problem on my laptop(HP compaq 6710b) from xubuntu 11.04. And after vlc installation on 11.10 I see same , sound is lagging. I understand,  that I can do sync with keys-shortcts, but... Parole and smplayer, for example, working well
[18:01] <Jack-xubuntu> Yes there is a 64 bit version of skype on the website.
[18:02] <reon> DanielSenat, lol I just disbaled mine and now i can't get it back either :D
[18:02] <DanielSenat> http://boards.audacious-media-player.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=254 sorry!!
[18:02] <DanielSenat> is it called menybar?
[18:02] <reon> Ah, thanks
[18:02] <DanielSenat> Control+Shift+M
[18:02] <DanielSenat> :)
[18:03] <DanielSenat> I found it!
[18:03] <DanielSenat> Cool
[18:04] <DanielSenat> reon, Is audacious better than parole?
[18:04] <reon> why is gmusicbrowser included in xubuntu?
[18:04] <reon> DanielSenat,
[18:05] <DanielSenat> reon, gmusicbrowser isn't really light
[18:05] <DanielSenat> I don't like it
[18:05] <reon> DanielSenat, I see gmusicbrowser is the default music application. Personally I like Audacious
[18:05] <DanielSenat> Me too!
[18:05] <drc> reon: Becasue it replaced rhythmbox...which, if one looks at the current iteration in Xubuntu, is going backwards.
[18:06] <reon> I've also removed parole and have gnome-mplayer & vlc installed
[18:06] <reon> I think I'll be removing gmusicbrowser
[18:06] <drc> or was it exaile it replaced, either way, rhythmbox is not what it used to be
[18:06] <DanielSenat> Me to, but parole seems to play everything
[18:07] <DanielSenat> Guess i don't need vlc
[18:07] <drc> But you can't get rid of the playlist in parole (can you?)
[18:08] <DanielSenat> each time parole is opened, the playlist field is empty
[18:08] <drc> And I fnd a slight audio-video lag in vlc in Xubuntu (and only xubuntu, LMDE, Bodhi, Fedora, etc. all works fine)
[18:08] <drc> DanielSenat: Yes, but I don't want the playlist at all
[18:09] <DanielSenat> aha
[18:09] <DanielSenat> ok, more clean.. well I don't know
[18:10] <DanielSenat> drc, Have you found media files that don't play in parole?
[18:10] <drc> DanielSenat: Don't know, I don't use is (see playlist :)
[18:11] <DanielSenat> ok
[18:11] <DanielSenat> media player classic was my favourite in windows.. '
[18:11] <DanielSenat> is it for linux too?
[18:13] <reon> windows only
[18:13] <fred2040> In linux u can use Rhythmbox for example
[18:14] <drc> fred2040: For video?
[18:14] <fred2040> omg sorry
[18:14] <fred2040> only for audio
[18:14] <drc> np...this conversation had meandered all over :)
[18:14] <fred2040> VLC in windows and linux
[18:14] <fred2040> :D
[18:22] <chuma> I try to change output for audio from default or pulse to alsa and sync is gone, but in this case only one audio is working on system (for me); for example, youtube is going muted.. It's a puzzle for me.
[18:23] <Jack-xubuntu> Are there any cool Desktop tweaks for Xubuntu that i should know about
[18:24] <Sysi> anything you find from settings feeling comfortable
[18:24] <thevishy> mplayer is just great
[18:25] <reon> jack-xubuntu, I found a site the other day but when I reinstalled I lost it
[18:25] <TheSheep> thevishy: I like vlc
[18:26] <Jack-xubuntu> Let me know if you find it again.
[18:26] <thevishy> i use mplayer mostly from the command line / non gui nowaays . And its vert handy and fast
[18:26] <reon> media player test http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/09/linux-movie-players-vlc-vs-totem-vs-parole/
[18:26] <thevishy> reon, they have no mplayer in that comparison ?
[18:27] <chuma> yep, I use smplayer at this moment, it's great. But what are you using for stream video what created with vlc(as server)?
[18:30] <DanielSenat> reon, parole seems heavy!
[18:31] <Jack-xubuntu> Is there a way to get Sun Java through Synaptic
[18:31] <reon> maybe is should just stick to vlc and remove all the others
[18:31] <chuma> :)
[18:32] <reon> jack-xubuntu, theres a ppa or repo out there someone posted a bit earlier
[18:32] <Jack-xubuntu> That means what?
[18:33] <DanielSenat> reon, How about mplayer and smplayer
[18:33] <reon> you add the ppa to your sources list and install it the normal way.
[18:34] <reon> DanielSenat, no idea. Try them all and pick the one you like. also have look at gnome-mplayer which looks nice
[18:34] <chuma> jack-xubuntu, just smthing like http://www.multimediaboom.com/how-to-install-java-in-ubuntu-11-04-natty-narwhal-ppa/
[18:35] <DanielSenat> :)
[18:35] <reon> jack-xubuntu, https://launchpad.net/~ferramroberto/+archive/java
[18:36] <DanielSenat> http://www.techdrivein.com/2010/07/smplayer-and-gnome-mplayer-two.html
[18:36] <Jack-xubuntu> Thank you :D
[18:37] <chuma> ouch.. is on xubuntu 11.10 gnome-mediaplayer working well? I have Segmentation fault after installing from official rep. and I know that it's confirmed bug :)
[18:38] <bashelina> how do you get 2 panels ?  I want to add one at the bottom.... and remove that fancy menu bar
[18:38] <reon> DanielSenat, you don't need that link/repos, just install it normally via synaptic/software centre or apt-get
[18:39] <reon> chuma, works fine here
[18:39] <Jack-xubuntu> It Worked :D
[18:40] <Jack-xubuntu> Reon, You're Amazing!
[18:41] <reon> bashelina, right click on the top panel and go panel-->prferences, Click the green + sign to add another panel and select it's position, orientation & monitor. Then you can drag it to where you want it and then lock it in place.
[18:42] <chuma> reon, nope, gnome-mediaplayer has SEg. fault. (I think you think aboub gnome-mplayer :) )
[18:42] <reon> chuma, sorry. Yes I was thinking of gnome-mplayer
[18:43] <chuma> reon, np!
[18:43] <gva> hello
[18:44] <reon> hi
[18:47] <bashelina> reon, great ! i need to remove the docky lookalike menu at the bottom ....
[18:48] <DanielSenat> gnome mplayer is clean!
[18:48] <reon> bashelina, right click on the bottom panel and go panel-->prferences, Click the green - sign
[18:49] <reon> DanielSenat, yes, nice hey? I just wish you could get rid of the menu bar, in vlc minimal you can get rid of the menu bar and that looks nice
[18:51] <DanielSenat> I think gnome mplayer looks nicer
[18:51] <bashelina> reon,  thx, works
[18:51] <reon> bashelina, cool stuff ;)
[18:51] <bashelina> reon, i just switched to xubuntu from ubuntu cause of the new crappy unity interface
[18:52] <bashelina> i like it like this, simple
[18:52] <reon> bashelina, join the club, same here
[18:52] <DanielSenat> Same here
[18:52] <DanielSenat> I only have 512 RAM so Ubuntu is to heavy!
[18:52] <bashelina> gnome shell 3 fallback is also garbage
[18:54] <Sysi> like old gnome without gazillion plugins
[18:54] <bashelina> DanielSenat,  this is more like gnome2 . and it seems highly configurably... great
[18:57] <DanielSenat> bashelina, I like it
[18:57] <reon> DanielSenat, see http://ompldr.org/vYXRwYw/vlcgmpl.png
[18:59] <DanielSenat> reon, I don't really see the difference there
[18:59] <reon> no menu bar in vlc
[19:00] <DanielSenat> But I tried a movie, vlc is better! I can navigate in the movie without problem. Gnome mplayer is not so good on that point, and i think the imagequality is better with vlc
[19:01] <DanielSenat> reon, aha, yes i see now
[19:01] <reon> vlc is pretty good and full of features and will play everything under the sun
[19:01] <reon> I think I'm gonna stick with vlc and dump all the others
[19:02] <Sysi> I like click on video to play/pause on gnome-mplayer
[19:02] <Sysi> you may get that on vlc too
[19:02] <thevishy> Btw , the goodness of mplayer is that it can do a lot of things . The interface ( GUI frontend) for mplayer is not the best though . I think mplayer can do lot of things under the hood and its pretty fast too
[19:02] <reon> Sysi, vlc also does that
[19:03] <Sysi> reon: I didn't find it from settings but I did hear it should
[19:03] <DanielSenat> reon how to hide menubar?
[19:03] <DanielSenat> And how to get it back?
[19:04] <reon> DanielSenat Ctrl+H
[19:05] <reon> You can also set it in tools--?preferences
[19:05] <reon> You can also set it in tools-->preferences
[19:05] <DanielSenat> I see, nice
[19:06] <DanielSenat> Well i will delete gnome mplayer..
[19:06] <DanielSenat> And do i need gmusicbrowser..
[19:07] <reon> pick what you like, I like audacious but gmusicplayer has integration with volumeicon on the panel
[19:07]  * TheSheep likes quodlibet
[19:08] <reon> that reminds me, I need to install nero linux
[19:09] <DanielSenat> Xfburn?
[19:10] <reon> It's fine.
[19:10] <DanielSenat> is there a cool pac man that isn't super slow...?
[19:11] <DanielSenat> I tried kapman but...
[19:11] <reon> MAME
[19:12] <reon> I love emulation and into MAME, Nintendo64, SNES Amiga etc
[19:14] <DanielSenat> Is mame a application with games?
[19:15] <reon> it's an emulator that plays original arcade roms
[19:15] <DanielSenat> Ok
[19:15] <DanielSenat> So i need the games to play it?
[19:15] <Vlyn> Hey, how can I get the real names of applications? (For the command)
[19:15] <DanielSenat> I don't follow really.. hehe
[19:16] <reon> DanielSenat Yes you need the roms
[19:17] <DanielSenat> I just now saw it!
[19:17] <DanielSenat> :(
[19:18] <reon> DanielSenat trying to PM you
[19:19] <Vlyn> Could someone please help me? I have no clue how to get the real names of applications for commands (e.g.: Quick Launcher). Already googled for it, but there are only solutions for other distributions (e.g.: Application Manager → More Information…)
[19:20] <Vlyn> Also the taskmanager isn't helpful in most cases…
[19:23] <Vlyn> Uhm… nobody can answer me this (I think simple) question?
[19:25] <Vlyn> Damn… okay, asking in #ubuntu -.-
[19:25] <XubuntuKris> Vlyn: most apps are named exactly as they would be named
[19:25] <bashelina> How do i make all the items auto-move to the right side of the panel ??
[19:25] <Vlyn> So, what's the command for the Task Manager?
[19:25] <bashelina> they move to the left :[
[19:25] <XubuntuKris> say I want to open thunar via terminal
[19:25] <XubuntuKris> just open terminal and type thunar
[19:26] <reon> xfce4-taskmanager
[19:26] <XubuntuKris> Vlyn: you might try task-manager
[19:26] <XubuntuKris> or what reon said
[19:26] <Vlyn> And I had to google for a while to oben the terminal (Shortcut). It's not terminal… not bash… not \bin\bash
[19:26] <Vlyn> It's xfterm4
[19:26] <reon> xfce4-terminal
[19:27] <Vlyn> So, how can I find out those names?
[19:27] <XubuntuKris> Why?
[19:27] <reon> in a terminal type xfce4- and hit TAB twice
[19:28] <Vlyn> Ok, for finding basic xubuntu apps?
[19:28] <XubuntuKris> xfce4 <tab><tab> lists all apps that start with xfce4
[19:28] <Vlyn> I see
[19:29] <XubuntuKris> What is your point in this Vlyn?
[19:29] <Vlyn> That helps a little bit, but I'm still missing a nice option for this
[19:29] <XubuntuKris> O_o
[19:29] <XubuntuKris> What are you trying to accomplish?
[19:30] <Vlyn> Okay: I have applications, and they are named… whatever… but in the system the name is like xfce4-blabla (For example, I have no clue about the name)
[19:30] <Vlyn> How can I find it?
[19:30] <Vlyn> Other distributions offer „More information“ in the application manager
[19:30] <Vlyn> And show you the real name
[19:31] <bashelina> How do I make all the stuff on the panel move to the right ???????+
[19:31] <bashelina> move wont work :(
[19:32] <XubuntuKris> bashelina, rightclick it, click move, put it on the right side
[19:32] <XubuntuKris> Vlyn, I still don't see your point in knowing all these names.
[19:32] <XubuntuKris> nvm bashelina, I didn't see your second post.
[19:33] <XubuntuKris> If move doesn't work, then idk
[19:33] <Vlyn> I had the following problem: I wanted to make a quicklaunch entry for some apps. It asks me for „command“
[19:33] <Vlyn> And I had no clue what to put there
[19:33] <Vlyn> For example: Terminal… „terminal“ „bash“ „\bin\bash“ nothing worked
[19:34] <Vlyn> In this case: How could I get the name?
[19:34] <Vlyn> (I now know I can search for xfce4- but what would I do without this knowledge or if an app has a strange name)
[19:35] <XubuntuKris> a quick launch in your panel?
[19:35] <Vlyn> Yeah
[19:35] <XubuntuKris> drag and drop from applications menu
[19:36] <XubuntuKris> simple
[19:36] <Vlyn> For example: I install an app „Best Mp3 player bla bla“ and it's real name is „bestmp3play1324“ how could i get this name?
[19:36] <Vlyn> Alright, that's a solution. And for the terminal?
[19:36] <XubuntuKris> It's in the applications menu
[19:36] <XubuntuKris> EVERY application that is installed shows up in the applications menu
[19:37] <XubuntuKris> terminal is an application
[19:37] <Vlyn> But sometimes I need the name
[19:37] <Vlyn> For commands
[19:37] <Vlyn> Here I got one: Parole Media Player
[19:37] <XubuntuKris> parole
[19:38] <XubuntuKris> or pmp
[19:38] <Vlyn> yeah, and who makes those names? the developer
[19:38] <XubuntuKris> yep
[19:38] <Vlyn> It could be parole
[19:38] <Vlyn> Or parolemed
[19:38] <Vlyn> or what ever
[19:38] <Vlyn> How should I know?
[19:38] <XubuntuKris> its almost always the simplest one
[19:38] <XubuntuKris> parole or pmp
[19:38] <reon> type bes and hit tab twice in terminal, alternatively scan through your /usr/bin folder
[19:39] <Vlyn> bes does nothing
[19:40] <Vlyn> Ah!
[19:40] <Vlyn> /usr/bin, that's it
[19:40] <Vlyn> Not the best solution but okay
[19:41] <reon> or look in synaptic, right click, properties, installed files
[19:42] <Vlyn> Okay, thanks
[19:43] <fibble> Hey. Im trying to get Thunar to handle ssh:// or sftp:// network shares - anybody managed this in 11.10?
[19:43] <incorrect> is there an alternative for remote desktop viewer?
[19:44] <reon> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6551006
[19:44] <reon> I think chromium now has a remote control plugin
[19:45] <bashelina> Damn I cant make the stuff on a panel to stick to the right side !  :( :(
[19:45] <reon> Vlyn, you might also be able to get the names frome the xfce menu file
[19:46] <Vlyn> reon: Where can I find it?
[19:46] <reon> Vlyn, that I don't know but I'll probably looking for it myself in the next few days
[19:47] <Vlyn> reon: Alright. For the moment I have some ways to find it out (Trying + /usr/bin). Thanks for your help
[19:47] <reon> no problem
[19:48] <reon> incorrect, see http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-20117619-264/chrome-extension-enables-remote-computer-control/
[19:50] <incorrect> hmm, not what i was really after
[19:50] <lorin`> Vlyn: right click the applications menu, properties, edit menu. Will allow you to quickly check the properties (and application names) of everything in the menu
[19:51] <Vlyn> lorin`: I'm in proprties now, but there is no edit
[19:51] <Vlyn> *properties
[19:52] <lorin`> at the bottom of the applications menu dialog under menu file? Use the default menu [Edit Menu] ?
[19:52] <reon> lorin, I don't htink you can do that in xfce 4.8 anymore
[19:52] <incorrect> reon, i found remmina, have you tried it?
[19:52] <lorin`> ahh.
[19:53] <Vlyn> xD
[19:53] <Vlyn> But thanks for trying
[19:53] <reon> incorrect, never heard of it, remote app?
[19:53] <lorin`> hmm. actually this says 4.8 sooo.
[19:53] <Sysi> alacarte works with 4.8
[19:53] <incorrect> oh its not bad
[19:54] <Vlyn> lorin`: Under menu file is just „Help“
[19:54] <reon> there's also lxmed for menu editing
[19:54] <Sysi> bashelina: add separator left to stuff you want to be on right and set it to expand
[19:54] <lorin`> right clicking to get the properties of the launcher itself ?
[19:55] <Sysi> you need some menu  editor installed to get choice there
[19:55] <Sysi> lorin` propably has alacarte or soemthing installed
[19:56] <lorin`> i do. well i'll stop trying to help :P
[19:57] <Vlyn> xD
[19:58] <fibble> well i just asked: "Im trying to get Thunar to handle ssh:// or sftp:// network shares - anybody managed this in 11.10?" but i think i figured it out myself
[19:58] <incorrect> if i was involved with this release i would have changed over all the gtk3 default apps and replaced with them with gtk2 based stuff
[19:58] <fibble> if anyone is interested i made sure i installed all the gvfs packages in apt and xfce4-goodies
[19:58] <fibble> then made sure my user was a member of the "fuse" group
[19:59] <drc> incorrect: so...join the team.  http://www.xubuntu.org/contribute/development
[19:59] <fibble> and i can now hit sftp:// and smb:// URIs in thunar directly
[20:01] <incorrect> drc, i might just do
[20:01] <drc> incorrect: good, they can always use more help
[20:04] <reon> Anyway for me to get hold of Jack-xubuntu now that he's left?
[20:04] <Sysi> call him
[20:05] <reon> please elaborate?
[20:05] <Sysi> basically, you don't
[20:05] <dmorfin> does xfce use freedesktop.org standard menus (like gnome classic did)?
[20:06] <Sysi> afaik it does
[20:06] <dmorfin> does it have some way to edit the menus?
[20:06] <Sysi> alacarte or lxmenuedit
[20:07] <reon> http://wiki.xfce.org/howto/customize-menu
[20:08] <dmorfin> I was going to use alacarte, but gnome-panel conflicts with things like flash
[20:09] <Sysi> sudo apt-get --no-install-recommends install alacarte
[20:10] <reon> if/when Jack-xubuntu comes back please pass this on to him https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/xubuntu
[20:10] <reon> Some nice xubuntu tips https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/xubuntu
[20:10] <dmorfin> Sysi: yeah, I have it installed, but you can actually edit properties without gnome-panel apparently
[20:11] <dmorfin> I'll try lxmed... wish there was a package for it
[20:11] <Sysi> how would you even get xfce menu to gnome-panel
[20:11] <Sysi> there should be..
[20:12] <dmorfin> seems like you download the tgz and run install.sh... which I guess I'll do
[20:13] <thevishy> how does lxde hold out in terms of power consumption vs gnome
[20:13] <Sysi> dunno, ask #lubuntu
[20:13] <thevishy> sorry xfce i mmean
[20:14] <Sysi> possibly slightly less with the lack of eyecandy and daemong on the background
[20:14] <Sysi> *daemons
[20:15] <dmorfin> hmmm... lxmed looks good, except not all the menus are on there... weird...
[20:15] <thevishy> okay
[20:38] <reon> geez, alacarte pulls in a load of crap, is there any way to get the menu editor without all the extra stuff?
[20:45] <TheSheep> reon: you can just copy the files from /usr/share/applications to ~/.local/share/applications and edit them with a text editor
[20:46] <reon> manuall edit the .desktop files?
[20:50] <TheSheep> reon: yeah, they are just text files
[20:52] <lorin`> try alacarte --no-install-recommends?, i read it mostly works without the mass dependencies?
[20:56] <bashelina> Sysi, yeah it worked, thx bro ! :)
[21:18] <steve|m> hey there
[21:19] <steve|m> something I noticed: the german mirror for 11.10 on http://www.xubuntu.org/getubuntu points to /natty/ instead of /oneiric/ on that mirror
[21:19] <steve|m> can somebody fix this?
[21:24] <Olbi> why Ubuntu Software Center looks so ugly on Xubuntu? :(
[21:24] <Olbi> others windows have good apperance, only USC looks like Loona
[21:24] <Olbi> Luna*
[21:32] <Shirakawasuna> In oneiric I'm getting this same issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/indicator-sound/+bug/808413
[21:33] <Shirakawasuna> can anyone confirm this?
[21:33] <Shirakawasuna> Olbi: What do you mean by ugly?
[21:34] <Olbi> when I change them from greybird to another like Bluebirds its looks like luna, dont bother to others windows
[21:34] <Olbi> theme*
[21:34] <Shirakawasuna> Olbi: I don't know what 'luna' is. Are you talking about the Windows XP theme?
[21:35] <Olbi> yes :)
[21:35] <Shirakawasuna> whoah, you're right. It actually looks worse than luna
[21:35] <Shirakawasuna> looks more like win 98
[21:36] <Olbi> :]
[21:36] <Shirakawasuna> things can change after logging out/in. Have you tried that?
[21:36] <Olbi> I try now :)
[21:36] <knome> Shirakawasuna, is it an upgrade?
[21:36] <Shirakawasuna> knome: sound-indicator?
[21:37] <knome> Shirakawasuna, your 11.10
[21:37] <Shirakawasuna> yes
[21:37] <Olbi> Shirakawasuna: it doesnt help
[21:37] <knome> probably has something to do with /var/run migrating to /run etc.
[21:38] <knome> maybe try restarting the sound services, that might help
[21:38] <Shirakawasuna> Olbi: must be something weird with how it's set up, I dunno :/
[21:38] <Olbi> osworld
[21:38] <Olbi> strange, that only this
[21:39] <Shirakawasuna> knome: restart pulseaudio?
[21:40] <knome> Shirakawasuna, mmh. that might help. i suppose something is been linked to /var while it should be linked to /run.
[21:42] <Shirakawasuna> Is /var/run supposed to be entirely replaced by /run ?
[21:42] <Shirakawasuna> hmm
[21:42] <knome> yeah
[21:42] <Shirakawasuna> it's just a link for me
[21:42] <Shirakawasuna> /var/run is a link to /run
[21:42] <knome> then something is probably partially correct...
[21:42] <knome> i didn't get that, my upgrade broke
[21:45] <Shirakawasuna> hmm
[21:45] <Shirakawasuna> seems like ubuntu might still have some issues with upgrades :/
[21:45] <Shirakawasuna> so does that mean you can scroll over the sound indicator to change the volume, knome?
[21:45] <Shirakawasuna> (just the icon without clicking)
[21:47] <knome> Shirakawasuna, no, i can't do that
[21:49] <Shirakawasuna> ah
[21:49] <Shirakawasuna> that's what I was asking about, sorry :)
[21:50] <knome> yeah, i think i misunderstood
[21:50] <knome> is scrolling over the icon working in ubuntu?
[21:52] <Nazosan> Ok, so I'm trying to change my default soundcard.  I used alsamixer to set it via F6 and I _think_ that changed the default for ALSA, but PulseAudio is still going to the onboard sound.
[21:54] <Nazosan> Is anyone even alive in here?
[21:54] <knome> no, i think we're all living dead
[21:55] <keds> In clarification, does awesome even work with Xubuntu or XFCE?
[21:55] <Nazosan> I've played myself out on Left 4 Dead 2 last night.
[21:55] <Nazosan> I'd prefer the living for now.
[21:55] <knome> Nazosan, did you change it from pavucontrol ?
[21:56] <Nazosan> no, that's probably exactly what I needed, hold on
[21:56] <ufmblan> need help. upgraded to 11.10, no network devices available. please help
[21:56] <ufmblan> eth0 nor wireless
[21:57] <Nazosan> Ah, finally.  Now why isn't that program easier to find?  in fact, is there even an icon for it at all?
[21:57] <knome> Nazosan, i think there should be...
[21:58] <Nazosan> maybe there is.  Oh well, at least it's finally fixed.  I should have known better than to ask in #Ubuntu, lol, but it automatically went there
[22:01] <Nazosan> Oh, quick question before I forget again
[22:01] <Nazosan> can I change the login screen to use my screen's native resolution and disable mouse acceleration (eg I guess just copy the mouse settings)?
[22:10]  * Nazosan gets in some sleep
[22:11] <ubuntu_> hey
[22:12] <ubuntu_> i have a question...can me somebody help? When I install xubuntu 10.10...can i then update to ubuntu 11.10?
[22:19] <bazhang> ubuntu_, with 11.04 in between
[22:23] <keds> Does anyone know if XFCE is compatible with awesome? [Or is this the wrong channel to ask this question?]
[22:41] <Shirakawasuna> ubuntulog: Yes, as bazhang said, but things will work better if you just install 11.10 directly
[22:57] <Raven> anyone know about banshee?
[22:57] <drc> What about it?
[22:59] <Raven> well my banshee queues very slow from my NAS when wanting music and then locks up after playing a few songs, never has done this yntill upgrade
[22:59] <drc> That...no idea
[23:00] <Raven> maybe im missing a library or something
[23:03] <drc> not much lately on google = banshee+NAS, but http://banshee-media-player.2283330.n4.nabble.com/Sync-to-Folder-plans-for-Dap-on-Mac-OS-X-td3817681.html
[23:03] <drc> Maybe it'll help (I didn't read it all)
[23:04] <Raven> thx drc i'll give it a read
[23:27] <Vlyn> Excuse me, when I used Ubuntu one year ago there was a nice built in FTP Client in the file manager. Is there something similar in Xubuntu? (I think it's Nautilus, right?)
[23:34] <ahs3-> So tell me, what does everyone like about xubuntu. I've been a Linux user for 12 years. traditionally have been using gentoo/arch Linux. But I have recently been curious about *buntu. I have always used xfce4 so xubuntu just makes sense.
[23:35] <drc> From the forums:  It's in Thunar's FAQ: http://thunar.xfce.org/pwiki/documen...twork_browsing Short answer: never.
[23:36] <drc> ahs3-: I'm guessing it's got all the ease of ubuntu without unity
[23:36] <ahs3-> ah ok
[23:36] <Vlyn> ahs3-: I'm a newby and like about *buntu that nearly everything works out of the box (No driver problems and so on). I'd prefer Ubuntu, but the new GUI (Unity) is terrible… therefor I'm here
[23:37] <ahs3-> oh i agree. gnome has gone crazy
[23:37] <drc> And the way they configure xfce is nice
[23:37] <ahs3-> ah
[23:37] <ahs3-> I usually do my own configuring. but recently saw the bit about cloud computing...
[23:37] <Vlyn> I had Ubuntu at school on my laptop for half a year. Wanted to switch to it… and then bam! Unity. It was like a Mac… I nearly puked and deleted it instantly ^^
[23:38] <ahs3-> haha, i don't blame you
[23:38] <drc> To be honest, I have tried many other xfce distros but always come back to Xubuntu.  Not that it makes me overly happy, it's just better than the rest
[23:39] <ahs3-> I tried xubuntu when it first came out, and it seemed buggy compared to other distro's so i just went back to archLinux. does it still have bug issues?
[23:39] <drc> ahs3-: All distro have bugs
[23:39] <ahs3-> true...
[23:39] <drc> some are just more buggy than others :)
[23:39] <ahs3-> lol yea
[23:40] <ahs3-> well that was a while back, i might give another go at *buntu
[23:40] <drc> I haven't encountered any bugs that stop me from doing what I want, but my needs are simple, video, audio, and pr0n :)
[23:40] <ahs3-> lol
[23:40] <Vlyn> Hehehe
[23:41] <ahs3-> anyone use the cloud?
[23:41] <drc> nope!
[23:41] <ahs3-> ah
[23:41] <Vlyn> Damn… I miss some features or I'm just too stupid to find them. Is there an inbuilt ftp client in Xubuntu? Like in Ubuntu?
[23:41] <ahs3-> does xubuntu use thunar?
[23:42] <ahs3-> if so then yes
[23:42] <Vlyn> Uh.. couldn't find "thunar", I think it's Nautilus
[23:42] <ahs3-> ah thunar will do ftp too...
[23:42] <Vlyn> Oh wait
[23:42] <drc> Vlyn: XFCE uses Thunar, gnome uses naytilus
[23:42] <Vlyn> Okay, it's thunar
[23:43] <ahs3-> in thunar you can do ctrl+l enter your ftp/ssh address
[23:44] <ahs3-> example: ssh://username@server.com
[23:44] <ahs3-> or ftp://
[23:44] <Vlyn> How can i make a link / shortcut for that?
[23:44] <Vlyn> Like Desktop shortcut
[23:45] <drc> Vlyn: Edit>Configure Custom ACtions?
[23:45] <ahs3-> once you connect you can add it to thunar favorites by dragging the remote folder to the bottom left of thunar
[23:45] <Vlyn> Alright *Tries to connect*
[23:45] <ahs3-> on the desktop you could do that i suppose
[23:46] <ahs3-> I don't use desktop icons, i prefer quick-keys
[23:46] <drc> the desktop is for windows, not icons :)
[23:46] <Vlyn> I know :-)
[23:46] <ahs3-> lol
[23:47] <soulg77> Hello, anyone available to help me with getting a minipci wireless card to work?
[23:47] <Vlyn> I don't really like icons on my desktop, actually I prefer those bookmarks ^^
[23:49] <Vlyn> Hm… thunar is loading and loading, no ftp for me O.o
[23:49] <ahs3-> Vlyn, hmm  did it ask for your password?
[23:50] <Vlyn> Yep, and accepted it. Hmmm
[23:50] <ahs3-> are you sure its not ssh instead of ftp?
[23:50] <Vlyn> I got a small problem with ftp, in some applications it's only working in active mode :-/
[23:50] <Vlyn> ftp://user@server
[23:51] <Vlyn> Maybe that's it
[23:51] <ahs3-> ah
[23:52]  * ahs3- is trying xubuntu in virtualbox
[23:53] <Vlyn> Better use a live-„cd“ xD
[23:53] <ahs3-> oh i see that
[23:53] <ahs3-> it won't use a iso image, crazy
[23:53] <Vlyn> *Using his USB Stick as a CD* xD
[23:54] <ahs3-> ah cool
[23:54] <ahs3-> ah there we go, it worked
[23:55] <ahs3-> yea it looks pretty good
[23:57] <ahs3-> anyone have problems with video drivers etc...
[23:58] <drc> nope, Additional Drivers (nVidia) works out of the box for me
[23:58] <ahs3-> nice
[23:58] <ahs3-> it seems a little bloated for xfce, its using 42% of cpu
[23:59] <drc> Well, I do my homework and buy hardware known to work with linux, not becasue it's hot :)
[23:59] <ahs3-> ah me too
[23:59] <drc> ahs3-: waht card?
[23:59] <ahs3-> nvidia 7600 GT
[23:59] <ahs3-> I usually build my own system
[23:59] <soulg77> Hello, anyone available to help me with getting a minipci wireless card to work?