[00:00] anyway i use just one XD [00:00] never found a good reason why to use multiple desktops [00:02] GridCube: I have two...one I use for full screen apps (FF, etc) and one that I use for smaller windowed apps (thunar, xchat, etc) [00:02] :P alt-tab [00:02] true, that works also [00:02] <_gnub> I use two, and use the keyboard shortcuts for them, but my friend turned that little trick on and it was really messing me up. [00:03] But I've been doing it this way for years, so I doubt I'll change [00:03] :P [00:03] like me not using more than one [00:04] That's different, I do it the right way :) [00:05] BTW: vi or emacs :) [00:05] nano [00:06] hmmmm....is being an infidel better than being a heretic? [00:06] is this all !offtopic? [00:07] :P [00:07] nope, it's useless [00:07] anyway, time to eat [00:07] bye [00:13] Bah, tried to do an in-place upgrade on my headless workstation from Xubuntu 11.04 to 11.10 and the graphical update manager kept choking on an unspecified error partway through. do-release-upgrade worked but X11 and lightdm weren't starting, so i couldn't do a graphical login via x2go (NX derivative). tried to purge and reinstall X11/x.org related packages and now it hangs on boot. Time to... [00:13] ...boot a rescue USB stick, backup important files, and do a fresh install I guess. [00:26] hey all. how's the upgrade to 11.10 - considered reliable, worth doing? i'm on 11.04 right now.. [00:27] st3ve_: no complaints here, except most of the old gtk themes are broken [00:28] if you are planning to use the default, greybird, you're fine [00:28] hmm. i ... let me see what i'm using now [00:28] ah, i'm using greybird. are they broken forever, or is it something where a bugfix will come down the line? [00:28] also i always to a fresh reinstall when i move up a release [00:28] probably broken forever [00:29] i usually like to do a fresh install, too, but i wonder right now if it's necessary, or if the ol' upgrade tool actually does the trick [00:29] i haven't bothered with that in years so i dunno :/ [00:30] anyone else want to weigh in, someone who has done an upgrade? [00:30] thanks, raevol, btw, for letting me knwo about your experiences [00:30] no worries :) [00:30] st3ve_, i did a clean install today [00:30] :P [00:30] but if you clean your ~/ from most . folders it shoulndt have a problem [00:31] hmm, i take it back, i seem to be having an issue keeping usb volumes mounted for an extended period of time [00:32] hmm that doesn't sound good. [00:32] maybe i'll wait a bit, then... [00:33] might just be this drive though :) [00:33] hehe [00:33] hard to say [00:44] st3ve_: it looks like this usb problem is my drive failing, not an xubuntu problem, thumb drives are mounting fine [00:52] i love the photo-taking feature of the installer if you have a webcam :) too bad i am terrible at taking pictures [01:00] is there a way i can force a "refresh" of my usb devices? [01:01] i've got an icon to an unmounted thumb drive sitting on my desktop, but it's not plugged in... === naka-- is now known as naka [01:40] so after the upgrade to ocelot my wifi switch doesnt switch anymore.. just seems to be an off switch === inFamousKris is now known as BurnoutKris [01:43] any ideas? [01:44] Good evening everyone. [01:47] ooh thats what it is the applet never stops saying the wifi device is not ready [01:53] any ideas, [01:55] mmm [01:55] i've heard that problem before [01:55] i think its a bug [01:55] it was working! but i accidentally hit the wifi switch and it toggled off [01:56] i hit it again but it says device not ready [01:57] dr_jkl, bug 839203 [01:57] Launchpad bug 606825 in network-manager-applet (Ubuntu Natty) "duplicate for #839203 Showing many "Don't Show This Messege again"" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/606825 [01:57] that bug for a device not ready? [01:58] hmm [01:58] but why does my laptop's wifi led turn the right color? [01:58] its only supposed to be red when off, white when on [01:59] that i don't know [02:16] God bless you... all of you.... xubuntu saved me from leaving ubuntu. [02:18] jeroth, :D [02:29] so i just formatted a USB drive [02:29] what group should i assign permissions to it so that users that can mount stuff can write to it? [02:39] nvm got it [03:08] hi [03:12] hi === ryannathansSLEEP is now known as ryannathans [04:01] i've just upgraded to xubuntu 10.10, but my ibus has only chinese input methods [04:01] how can i add others? [04:03] !ibus [04:03] IBus is used to allow multilingual input such as Chinese, Japanese, Korean (CJK), Devanagari and Dravidian characters in !GUI applications - see also: !SCIM. For more info on Ibus see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ibus [04:03] you mean ibus is only for these freaky languages? [04:04] why did xubuntu 10.10 remove my xkb plugin then [04:04] I dunno check the link [04:45] anyone here know of a thunderbird theme that just replaces the icons with something simple (or alternatively, the current gtk icon theme)? Thunderbird's default icons are annoyingly white in oneiric, I think everyone has this issue. All of the themes I see massively change the look of thunderbird and change it into ugly town === ryannathans is now known as ryannathansLOLZ === ryannathansLOLZ is now known as ryannathans [05:50] \join ubuntu-uk [05:53] Andres-kain; ? [05:55] i keep forgetting commands. [05:55] not too frequent to irc [05:59] xD [06:23] irc (client) commands are like binaries under root, /join.bin [06:23] they're really not but you can remember they like that, not windows-backslash :) [06:27] hi..i have a question...first time to upgrade my xubuntu 11.04 to 11.10 by live cd....right now its stuck on restoring previously installed packages...its been an hour now....how long does this take? does it download all the packages again? [06:30] anyone? [07:06] What does "encrypt home" actually do ? During install. [07:13] where do I set the BIOS clock settings(if its UTC or local), date and timezone correctly, ever since I came home from the US the time is 9h off in xubuntu but is okey in gentoo and windows [07:19] in /etc/default/rcS UTC=no, hwclock shows the correct time [07:23] posting in #ubuntu === ryannathans is now known as ryannathansMOWLA === ryannathansMOWLA is now known as ryannathanMOWLAW [07:59] Name141, it makes your /home folder encrypted, which means it's harder to get to any files in it without password [08:00] knome: would this make it harder to preform backups? [08:01] Name141, i don't think that makes any difference to that, but i'm not a backup/encryrtion expert :) [08:02] I see. [08:03] knome: not sure I want to try it or not.. *shrug* [08:04] Name141, if you have nothing really secret/sensitive there, i'd say don't :) [08:04] not that I know of . [08:04] And it'd be a fresh install [08:04] yeah, usually there isn't :) [08:06] Are there any compelling reasons right now to go to oneiric from natty? [08:07] tbh, the upgrade can be a mess [08:07] i upgraded, and i had to do a clean install [08:08] unless you are ready to do so too, think twice before upgrading [08:08] i don't think there is much of something you'd definitely want, especially if natty is working for you [08:23] hi there [08:23] hello [08:23] How can I connect a windows share with thunar? or xubuntu in general? [08:23] have you looked at gigolo? [08:24] hmm..I am new at xfce. Let me check... [08:25] sorry but I am not understanding gigolo... [08:25] I have a smb share at 10.0.0.34 local ip and I want to connect to it but cannot :( [08:26] i don't use gigolo myself, but you should be able to connect to a samba share with it too [08:26] Any idea when the next LTS is schedualed ? [08:26] Name141, 12.04, next april [08:27] knome: so it is probably the next release ? [08:27] Name141, it IS the next release [08:27] ..bah [08:27] theQuila: if you have xubuntu 11.04 or newer, you have "network" in thunar sidepanel, ctrl L there works AFAIK [08:27] I might as well install 11.10 then [08:29] thanks Sysi. I'll check. [08:29] Sysi; No I don't have a network option there? [08:29] (I am using xubuntu 11.10) === ryannathanMOWLAW is now known as ryannathans [08:43] I don't have a network option in Thunar? Why? [08:49] hi [09:00] (Lucid) Is there a way to set the Gtk theme/style to (intentionally) use the Gtk default engine? (I don't mean Clearlooks or Albatross, I mean the plain one that looks similar to Windows 9x.) [09:00] Neither the Xfce4 Settings Manager, nor the almighty gnome-color-chooser, seem to actually offer it as an option. Closest is the "Redmond" theme, but I'm assuming that that's meant to look specifically Windows-like. [09:02] themes call theme engines themselves [09:03] I think Raleigh is that most basic theme [09:04] window manager theming isn't related to gtk [09:05] I'm not talking about the window decorations/frames, I'm talking about the widgetry. [09:05] Raleigh looks pretty close to it, but it's not the same thing. [09:07] One would think "Default" would be the one option that'd be universally supported, which is why I'm surprised it's not available for selection. === ryannathans is now known as ryannathansBRB === ryannathansBRB is now known as ryannathans [09:56] hello [09:57] ohai [09:59] how to skip or disable network configuration at start up ? [10:01] with the new release the start up takes 2 minutes more that with 11.04 [10:03] * ryannathans looks around [10:03] Arpad2: disable network? [10:12] yay, installer lets me chat while it installs. [11:06] My installer has seems to have frozen. [11:07] It has been on the same spot for the last 40 minutes, my hard drive is not being accessed from what I can hear, and my CD drive does not sound like it is working too much either. [11:09] anything in the log? [11:10] How do I access that? I tried clicking the little arrow icon by the progress bar but it does not expand anything. [11:10] Ok, this time it just worked. [11:12] I need some help. I downloaded Ubuntu 11.10 alternate cd and installed it, I however can't stand it & rebooted the alternate cd to perform a cli base install and then pulled in xubuntu-desktop & restricted extras. Problem is when it boots it never gets to the desktop it just gets stuck between the cli & some garbled gfx flashing between the two all the time. My hdd light flashes and my gpu fan pulses on and off the whole time. Any ideas on how to fix this? [11:13] Last thing in it is this: ubuntu dbus[1171]: [system] Successfully activated service 'org.freedesktop.UPower' [11:14] reon: sounds like a kernel panic [11:15] reon: you could try different boot parameters [11:15] !boot [11:15] Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto [11:15] reon: see the first link [11:17] TheSheep, The entire boot process works fine until it's suppose to to the login screen I think [11:21] TheSheep, why would there be a kernel panic but it works fine with ubuntu? [11:24] reon: no idea [11:37] Hey all [11:38] hello [11:38] How many people use xfce you think? Has it grown since *the desktop we do not speak of* [11:38] since other DEs grew up? [11:38] no idea. i think xfce is probably growing now that gnome and kde are getting less-conservative [11:39] Yh i guess [11:40] I just know I think it's great. [11:41] The problem with "less-conservative" is change, change, change [11:42] change itself is not bad, but as is proven, people are afraid of that [11:42] People still use windows xp :p [11:42] Anyone here a webdev? I need suggestions on a webdev ide [11:43] Komodo, netbeans..? [11:43] i use gedit/mousepad/leafpad/nano :P [11:43] Hehe [11:44] Pretty sure the answer to any text editing question ever is vim [11:44] I managed to get the desktop loaded but something is funny, everything uses the default xfce config and not the xubuntu one? How can I apply the xubuntu settings? [11:45] Kazurik, is vim that powerful? I heard lost about it. I thought it was just a text editor? [11:45] reon: you don't have xubuntu-default-settings installed or you chose xfce-session instead of xubuntu session on login [11:45] !better [11:45] Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose, depending on your preferences, features you require, and other factors. Do NOT take polls in the channel. If you insist on getting people's opinions, ask BestBot in #ubuntu-bots. [11:46] errm, that was a bit different than i thought :) [11:46] anyway, what i was trying to say is that only you can choose what's best for you [11:46] i don't like things to obstruct me, which is why i like to keep with very simple editors [11:47] others might like editors that fill in functions etc. [11:47] of course, of course... [11:47] I as more joking than anything else with the vim suggestion. Vim is very popular for anything text editing related though. [11:47] I think I want something more advanced :) [11:47] reon: you need to log in to virtual terminal and delete xfce settings and log in to xubuntu-session, ctrl alt F6 rm -rf ~/config/xfce* ctrl alt F7 or F8 to get back to GUI [11:48] Sysi, I don't have a loging screen I had to alt-f1 and login via cli and then startx [11:48] Thx guys... I'll look around a bit more. [11:48] reon: propably easiest to just set up your desktop the way you want [11:49] Sysi, I cannot get xubuntu installed properly, this is my 3rd attemp and I never get to the login screen. [11:52] reon: same [11:52] What happends if you do "sudo service lightdm start" from the alt + f1 cli? [11:53] Karzurik, have not tried that, will try it as soon as my nvidia driver install is completed [11:53] Sorry, Kazurik [11:59] hi all === ruud is now known as Guest11775 [12:00] is there a way to change the lightdm theme in xubuntu? [12:00] omfg, the nvidia driver install failed halfway through the download... [12:01] thats bad [12:01] do it again [12:02] nobody can help me with lightdm? [12:03] doing it again does not work either... [12:05] you have synaptic installed? [12:06] Is there any reason you are compiling the drivers yourself instead of installing the nvidia-current package? [12:06] fire that up and look if nvidia is installed, if so remove it and then try again [12:06] Kazurik, "sudo service lightdm start" does creates the exact same problem I get with a normal boot so it's safe to assume the problem is lightdm. How do I fix it though? [12:08] yes I have synaptic installed [12:08] reon: you could try gdm/kdm instead.... [12:08] LightDM writes verbose logs to /var/log/lightdm [12:08] reon, 'dpkg-reconfigure gdm' to use gdm instead [12:11] only nvidia I have installed is nvidia common [12:11] That should be the nvidia restricted driver [12:11] xserver-xorg-video-nouveau is however installed [12:15] x-0.log paste.ubuntu.com/708511/ [12:16] lightdm.log paste.ubuntu.com/708514/ [12:20] What happens if you do a "sudo dpkg install --reinstall nvidia-current" and then a "sudo dpkg install --reinstall lightdm"? [12:23] ok, i removed nouveau and installed nvidia, still the same problem but now it flashes back and forth and I can't get to cli [12:24] ok, after some time it allows me to switch to terminal. [12:25] What's wrong with lightdm? It worked fine in ubuntu 11.10 yesterday? [12:26] It looks like X is failing so lightdm is stopping [12:27] i can startx manually though witout lightdm [12:33] ok, gdm works fine which means X is good. Is this a common problem with lightdm? [12:34] Not that I know of. Did you did run "sudo dpkg install --reinstall lightdm"? [12:41] "sudo dpkg install --reinstall lightdm" yields error dpkg: error: need an action option [12:53] What if you do a "sudo apt-get install --reinstall lightdm" followed by a "sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm"? [12:53] anyone here? [12:53] nope [12:53] nobody [12:53] nope [12:53] just us, mice [12:54] is there any way to install xubuntu but without all the crap it comes with? [12:54] ...what? [12:54] like gdm, apps etc? [12:54] what would you like to install? [12:54] there is ubuntu server [12:54] looking for xfce really + the nice ubuntu font rendering [12:55] you can isntall ubuntu server and then whatever you want from xubuntu [12:55] i used ubuntu alternate install command line [12:55] it's all in the repos [12:55] why would i install ubuntu server? [12:55] to get a base ubuntu install [12:55] it seems that you did just that [12:55] i already have tht through alternate install [12:56] then just add whetever you need from xubuntu and you are all set [12:56] i just need the fonts tbh [12:56] not the whole xubuntu desktop [12:56] sure [12:56] then install the fonts [12:56] do you remember the package? [12:57] which fonts do you want? [12:57] dejavu? [12:58] not sure what comes default with xubuntu? [12:58] btw, you can search in the package manager (synaptic) or at packages.ubuntu.com, or with apt-cache search [12:58] just look at what the xubuntu-desktop metapackage depends on [12:59] i believe that the libs are patched for xubuntu fonts [12:59] Kazurik, goes back to the same problem [12:59] it's the same libs as regular ubuntu [12:59] i need to know exactly the fonts used within xubuntu so i can pick up the right deps [12:59] gentoo_drummer, no, they are not. the title font is droid sans bold. [13:00] gentoo_drummer, normal font is droid sans [13:00] in xubuntu? [13:00] no, on the surface of the moon [13:00] ;) [13:00] wow [13:01] ur fuuny [13:01] remind you, you are asking #xubuntu. [13:01] :P [13:01] i don't know a bit about ubuntu fonts [13:01] Uhm, hi! [13:01] they probably use the new ubuntu font family [13:01] hello [13:01] I'm just installing Xubuntu, why is the server for the packages so slow? [13:01] so droid fonts default xubuntu? [13:01] the package for the ubuntu fonts is ttf-ubuntu-font-family [13:02] It needs over 3 hours -.- [13:02] for droid it's ttf-droid [13:02] Vlyn, many users? [13:02] reon, do you also have the lightdm-gtk-greeter installed? [13:03] Ouch, an option to select a mirror would be good ^^ [13:03] But atleast I get rid of Unity *sigh* [13:05] Kazurik, yes I have it installed [13:06] Alright then, bye, have a nice day *Goes back to staring at the remaining download time* [13:07] Did you happen to set the nomodeset option when installing? [13:08] Kazurik, ??? what's that? [13:09] Something that shouldn't matter once you have nvidia drivers working. More here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132 [13:19] my theme does not match the normal xubuntu one and my fonts also look crap. Why does this have to be so difficult, beginning to think changing from debian was a mistake, sigh [13:21] Did you install from a Ubuntu install CD or from a Xubuntu install cd? [13:23] Kazurik, from ubuntu alternate cd I did a base (cli) install followed by xubuntu-desktop etc [13:31] anyone here care to share the default 11.10 font settings please? [13:31] hello; i love xubuntu -- that is all :D [13:33] anyone? [13:33] prg318, good to hear that [13:34] reon: if you want the easy way, reinstall to default setup, hard to tell about full setup if ~nobody has done it [13:35] knome: i like the ubuntu platform, but not a fan of gnome 3. its great to see the out-of-the-box hardware compatibility of ubuntu with the awesomeness of XFCE. i reguarlly use it as a test bed for some dev stuff and recommend it to friends to use on the desktop [13:35] prg318, yup, it's a solid alternative [13:36] Sysi, this is my third reinstall [13:36] I wonder if anyone actually likes Unity. [13:36] Shhh [13:36] shuttleworth? [13:36] somebody made it to be the way it is [13:36] my parents like it on their netbook [13:37] for what that's worth -- they're mostly just pleased with the speed increase over windowsXP -- but that's not really thanks to unity at all [13:37] reon: what debian did you use, stable? [13:37] Sysi, I used stable with apt pinning for stuff from testing [13:38] I'm on fedora currently but I may switch to something else before F15 goes EOL [13:41] I'm just a bit ticked off right now. There is nothing special about what I did and everything should work like a normal install from a xubuntu cd. [13:42] (that's why I'm not on xubuntu..) [13:42] Sysi, booo, that was a bad comment, and under the belt really. that happens to every distribution [13:44] Sysi, the reason I moved to 11.10 is because debian stable has old packages, using apt pinning for testing can introduce some dependency issues as I found out. Ubuntu has lots of support and there are gazillions off PPAs out there. i love Arch but the constant updates just eat to much of my limited bandwidth. [13:46] well tried unity, the fact you can't change the desktop font size has caused me to come running back [13:57] How do i bring up network manager please? [13:58] hello !! [13:59] hello [14:01] I believe the default Xubuntu network manager is called nm. You can start the gui part of it by starting "nm-applet" or use it's CLI interface by running "nmcli" [14:02] To see the nm-applet you will need a panel with the indicator plugin on it [14:04] Thanks [14:17] Kazurik: I'm using a live version prior to installing. Do you know if there are firmware issues with some wireless chips? [14:18] wow hdd's are so slow at installing [14:19] hopefully an SSD will be on the cards [14:20] Just great, mu sound is also dead... [14:22] did you just do a fresh install? [14:23] who? [14:24] you [14:34] ubuntu base install from alternate cd + xubuntu-desktop etc. etc. [14:37] i did something similar over pxe [14:39] and how did that work out? Mine seems a bit of a disaster really [14:41] well other than a ton of ugly gtk3 apps, i have my ldap auth working now [14:41] stupid changes to how they used to do it confused me [14:41] about ‌to install lastfm [14:42] some reason file roller is installed [14:42] ugly! [14:44] sure you can remove it and replace with something like xarchiver etc [14:44] thanks saved me looking for it ;) [14:46] might as well get rid of parole as well [14:47] and use? [14:49] brb === incorrect_ is now known as incorrect [14:52] vlc or smplayer [14:54] thanks [14:54] remember, there is no single best application, all depends on what you need, want and like yourself too :) [14:55] bye bye panel 2, don't eat my screen real estate thank you [14:56] knome, however if someone else as reasons to suggest something, it is often worth investigating [14:56] incorrect, of course. :) i was just saying [14:56] Anyone know the default password for user 'ubuntu' in live please? [14:57] agree just blindly doing something someone says is foolish [14:57] on xfce I'd say gnome-mplayer is nicer than smplayer [14:58] So I have a genmon on my screen panel that displays "uname -n" and occasionally it goes blank. I can make it show up again by right clicking where it's supposed to be, then clicking properties and then closing the properties windows. [14:58] I wanna know either a: why it's disappearing or b: how to make it stop [14:58] anyone want to try and help me fix my sound so I can at least listen to some tunes while I pull my hair out :) [14:58] i wonder why file roller was installed, [14:59] oh character map is also gtk3 [15:00] what does one use to make qt apps adopt the gtk theme? [15:00] reon: open terminal [15:00] and type alsamixer [15:00] yes, I've already done that [15:00] all vols at full? [15:00] or at audible levels at least [15:01] yes, master, pcm & front are set to 93 [15:01] i wonder if xfce will mode to gtk3 [15:02] I have a nice gui for my alsa mixer, it has a mute checkbox... [15:02] ??? [15:02] brb [15:03] reon: did you have sound before? [15:04] before what? [15:04] Or is this your initial setup of your sound card? [15:04] like, did it go out or was it working ... yesterday ... last week? [15:04] fresh install, never worked [15:05] xubuntu 11.10? [15:06] no, ubuntu 11.10 base install with xubuntu-desktop & settings etc [15:07] kk [15:07] hang on [15:10] did someone say there was an xfce network manager? [15:10] Ok, fresh install, everything is configured properly except for java I think. One last thing to do. [15:11] chaoticgeek, sun-jdk doesn't exist [15:12] my install pulled in openjdk-6-jre & some icedtea stuff [15:13] oh mine too [15:13] on ubuntu unity i was left with no java [15:13] I'm going to have to use that or sun, It would be nice if the sun one existed. [15:13] incorrect: you can use wicd in xfce [15:14] thanks prg318 [15:14] np [15:15] reon: you install your sound modules? [15:15] wicd-gtk? [15:15] development on wicd has somewhat stalled, but it still works very well [15:15] yes [15:16] XubuntuKris, like? i don't recall installing anything for sound as I assumed xubuntu-desktop would have taken care of that? [15:16] It sometimes won't auto install what it needs for sound if it doesn't recognize your sound card [15:17] I can't remember the command right now that will display your sound card info.... [15:17] how can I check? [15:20] is there an xfce equiv to whatever in gnome2 was intercepting the ssh and starting ssh-agent for you? [15:21] reon: try lspci in terminal [15:21] that should tell you about your sound card [15:22] lspci | grep -i audio # possibley [15:22] ^^that would be more specific [15:22] There is a ppa that has sun java 6 in it. https://launchpad.net/~ferramroberto/+archive/java [15:22] 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01) [15:23] ha, I have the same one [15:23] only mine is rev 02 [15:23] Now I gotta remember how I installed my sound card drivers [15:24] lsmod shows me I have a lot of modules running [15:24] one of them should be snd_hda_intel [15:25] snd_hda_codec [15:25] http://paste.ubuntu.com/708601/ [15:25] snd_hda_codec 104802 2 snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_hda_intel [15:26] You have all the modules... [15:26] hmmm... [15:33] reon: humor me and do alsamixer again...at the bottom of each of the sound bars, does it display MM? [15:34] no, i unmuted the ones i need [15:34]