[00:09] <phiscibe> HEY  im working a bug and fix list for the new distro, http://paste.ubuntu.com/709068/
[00:10] <phiscibe> but now i gotta have food, starving latter
[00:52] <Guest31176> what happened to the emerald package in 11.10?
[00:58] <well_laid_lawn> !info emerald
[00:58] <Guest31176> it was removed from the 11.10 repos
[00:59] <well_laid_lawn> yep
[01:25] <SmokinGuns1982> hello everyone
[01:51] <alricu_> i ve got a problem
[01:51] <alricu_> my problem is when i try to install ubuntu 11.10 and hit enter to "try ubuntu, it does not let me go forward, it shows me a black screen and no more!!!!
[01:52] <alricu_> kubuntu 11.10
[02:04] <subdude> Hi everyone, I hoping someone can help me,  my kubuntu 11.04 machine keeps trying to contact an unknown website. sending a few packets every 10 or so seconds, I've viewed this happening in etherape and wireshark but cannot track down which process is responsible
[02:07] <avihay> alricu_: there should be an alternate CD, you can try that
[02:07] <avihay> subdude: what's the site/ip
[02:08] <subdude> hi 46.105.180.237
[02:08] <subdude> whois says nexuscreation.com but I can't browse there
[02:10] <alricu_> avihay: yes there is a laternate cd, but the problem is: suposse that i can install  with this cd, how can i solution the balck screen later?
[02:11] <avihay> subdude: whois: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/709162/
[02:14] <subdude> avihay thanks, is kubuntu trying to connect to a cloud then??? maybe driven by ubuntuone or something
[02:14] <avihay> alricu_: you don't know if there will be a black screen after
[02:16] <alricu_> mmm good point!! but i always have the same problem and i always  solved it with modeset, now it doesnt work"!!!
[02:16] <avihay> subdude: I don't know, all I know is that that company is a registered company in the UK. I don't know if it has any conection with canonical, and depending how high you wanna go up the paranoia chain, that could be an infected computer in a global zombie network
[02:17] <avihay> alricu_: sounds like a driver issue. sit on the fence, or grab a cheep USB storage and install on it
[02:18] <alricu_> i did it!!! but didnt work!
[02:18] <alricu_> it shows teh same black screen
[02:19] <avihay> is it a normal install or a netbootui?
[02:19] <alricu_> normal install
[02:20] <avihay> well, you didn't give enough details to give a direction as to where to start
[02:20] <subdude> avihay: guess i was paranoid enough to format everything and reinstall, but then it kept happening.  I'll download a fresh copy and give that a try, my current cd came from a UK magazine
[02:20] <avihay> interesting^
[02:21] <alricu_> when i try to install ubuntu 11.10 and hit enter to "try ubuntu" or "install", it does not let me go forward, it shows me a black screen and no more!!!!
[02:22] <subdude> avihay thanks for your time, have a great day, gonna switch off and reinstall
[02:23] <avihay> get an alternate CD, try to install to a USB device if you don't want to touch your current system, see if the installed system is fine or not
[02:24] <avihay> or maybe, before that
[02:24] <alricu_> ok
[02:24] <alricu_> ?
[02:24] <avihay> try to drop to a console, read the dmessage output
[02:24] <avihay> try to restart x
[02:25] <avihay> from my expirience, live system tend to be quirky, and a normal install usually works better
[02:44] <Guest14346> how do i get firefox as my wbbroser
[02:50] <eristikophiles> anyone upgrade to 11.10?
[03:12] <joshw15> just upgraded to 11.10. What can I do to get the "back arrow" back in the Kickoff menu?
[03:13] <darrik> Hey, I installed kubuntu on my brothers laptop a while ago, and after he struggled to adapt, he reinstalled XP. Both in the fresh XP install and Kubuntu Install, the wireless isn't working properly. Is there a way some how Kubuntu damaged his wireless
[03:37] <sagaci> does kubuntu/kde se compiz
[03:37] <sagaci> use*
[03:38] <darthanubis> no, but it can if you want
[03:51] <LINKSWORD2> Oh, shame. Darkwing Duck isn't around.
[03:55] <LINKSWORD2> OK, guys. I'm in a bit of a pickle. I'm running Kubuntu 10.04, and I'm not able to upgrade to Kubuntu 10.10. I've had this problem before, regarding the source for the upgrade, but I don't remember how to fix it.
[03:57] <LINKSWORD2> Nevermind. Found it.
[04:28] <sagaci> how do you go about installing language packs for kubuntu, the list in the available language packs is only American English and British English when I also know there's en_AU, Australian English
[04:40] <westyvw> Gimp cant install missing dependencies. Anyone else?
[04:45] <sagaci> westyvw: fine here
[04:45] <westyvw> alright i will give it a try again
[04:46] <westyvw> interesting that worked, last time i selected it from muon pakage, this time from muon software center.
[04:46] <westyvw> hmmm
[04:47] <sagaci> i apt-getted
[04:49] <westyvw> i should do that too, i am too interested in playing with the new tools, but soon
[04:49] <westyvw> ill pass a text list to apt
[05:51] <spawn57> hi, I'm trying to get my user account to mount a samba share.  It mounts fine, but the permissions aren't right, it's root.root.. and I want root.users.  When i mount using root the permissions are root.users like I want it.  the options i use in fstab is : users,noauto,umask=0775,uid=sunil,gid=media,credentials=/etc/.creds,_netdev
[06:03] <venki> Hi
[06:03] <venki> I messed up with kubuntu fonts
[06:03] <venki> I need to re-install and restore default fonts
[06:03] <venki> I have been googlign around for some time
[06:03] <venki> could not find anything..
[06:03] <venki> can you please tell me how do i do it?
[06:04] <venki> i need to re-install all fonts..
[06:04] <raykelo> hello
[06:05] <raykelo> alguien habla español ??
[06:05] <venki> can anyone guide me please..
[06:10] <GirlyGirl> venki: Go in System Settings > Application Appearance and set font default
[06:11] <venki> i tried that
[06:11] <venki> i installed some non-free fonts (windows 7 fonts)
[06:11] <GirlyGirl> venki: It doesn't work for restarted applications?
[06:11] <venki> after that everything got messed up..
[06:11] <venki> GirlyGirl: Nop
[06:12] <GirlyGirl> venki: Just set a different font for all entries ... then change it back then
[06:12] <venki> GirlyGirl: I tried doing it.. It seems not to be working.. I checked the /usr/..../fonts directory
[06:13] <GirlyGirl> venki: If you want to reset the entire KDE to defaults, open konsole and "rm -rf .kde" ... note you will lose all kde settings
[06:13] <venki> GirlyGirl: I tried that as well :)
[06:13] <venki> GirlyGirl: I see that the folder does not have the default font directories at all
[06:14] <venki> I removed off those fonts :(
[06:14] <venki> GirlyGirl: now i need to re-install all KDE fonts again
[06:14] <venki> GirlyGirl: I am on kubuntu 11:10
[06:15] <venki> GirlyGirl: I tried googling around.. did not find anything :(
[06:16] <kingh3mp> Hey everybody. I'm having problems with the Muon Package Manger and system updates provided through Muon.
[06:16] <kingh3mp> Pastebin link: http://paste.ubuntu.com/709281
[06:19] <GirlyGirl> venki: "sudo apt-get remove ttf-freefont kubuntu-default-settings kubuntu-default-netbook-settings" then "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-default-settings kubuntu-default-netbook-settings"
[06:19] <venki> trying it right away..
[06:19] <venki> i am not using a netbook..
[06:20] <GirlyGirl> sorry sencond command should be "sudo apt-get install ttf-freefont sudo apt-get install kubuntu-default-settings kubuntu-default-netbook-settings"
[06:20] <GirlyGirl> leave the netbook anyways
[06:20] <venki> okk
[06:20] <venki> doing it right away
[06:20] <kingh3mp> Kubuntu 11.10 running KDE 4.7
[06:21] <venki> kingh3mp:yes
[06:21] <kingh3mp> huh?
[06:22] <venki> GirlyGirl: I ran the commands..
[06:22] <venki> do i have to restart?
[06:22] <kingh3mp> Perhaps I should have said that I'm running Kubuntu 11.10 with KDE 4.7. The rest of my problem is on the pastebin link: http://paste.ubuntu.com/709281
[06:22] <GirlyGirl> venki: logout and login
[06:22] <venki> okk
[06:23] <GirlyGirl> kingh3mp: Change the server to main server and refresh repos
[06:23] <kingh3mp> GirlyGirl: To what should I be changing the server? ie. Which URL or whatever?
[06:24] <GirlyGirl> kingh3mp: Alt + F2 "muon-updater" Settings menu > Configure software source ... change Server for united states combobox to main server
[06:26] <kingh3mp> that was intresting
[06:26] <GirlyGirl> kingh3mp: did it work?
[06:27] <phiscibe> how goes the bug wars?
[06:27] <kingh3mp> hyper speed lol
[06:27] <kingh3mp> but yess it worked
[06:28] <kingh3mp> thank you
[06:28] <GirlyGirl> kingh3mp: You're welcome
[06:29] <kingh3mp> i like kubuntu
[06:30] <kingh3mp> and yet occassionaly my laptop dissagrees with it but that is a different story
[06:32] <GirlyGirl> kingh3mp: What problems do you have specifically
[06:32] <kingh3mp> random things
[06:33] <kingh3mp> like battery is fried ram is low
[06:33] <kingh3mp> so any op system lags occasionaly
[06:34] <kingh3mp> wireless card is starting to act up cant decide if its software or hard ware
[06:35] <GirlyGirl> kingh3mp: Alt + F2 "oxygen-settings" disable animations
[06:35] <GirlyGirl> How old is this pc exactly
[06:36] <kingh3mp> so far my kubuntu problems have been fix able updates going bezerk or not working music transfer from device to device small stuff otherwise
[06:36] <len> What's holding up KDE 4.7.2 from the starndard repos? I was very surprised Oneric wasn't released with it.
[06:36] <kingh3mp> 2005
[06:36] <GirlyGirl> len: Ubuntu's "update qulaity system" ... but I kind of disagree with their policy too
[06:37] <GirlyGirl> kingh3mp: What laptop model is it
[06:37] <kingh3mp> hp pavillion dv-1000 entertainmentnotebook
[06:38] <kingh3mp> originaly ran on xp op system
[06:38] <GirlyGirl> kingh3mp: You did the "oxygen-settings" stuff
[06:39] <kingh3mp> not yet
[06:40] <GirlyGirl> kingh3mp: Also ntoe if you install "kubuntu-low-fat-settings" it optimises it for slower systems
[06:42] <kingh3mp> ok
[06:42] <kingh3mp> i did the oxygen settings
[06:42] <len> Well, considering the monthy releases are bugfixes only ( when only the number after 2nd decimal point is incremented), I don't know whey they aren't always released into the main repos shortly after they're released.
[06:43] <GirlyGirl> kingh3mp: If desktop effects are slow ... consider disabling them
[06:44] <kingh3mp> im gonna watch my laptop for a bit b4 i decide weather or not to look into the kubuntu low fat ill note the thought though
[06:44] <kingh3mp> i was thinking too
[06:45] <kingh3mp> if i need to is there a way to downgrade to a earlier version of kubuntu
[06:45] <GirlyGirl> kingh3mp: That would not be wise to do
[06:45] <GirlyGirl> kingh3mp: You might even see a performance regression
[06:46] <kingh3mp> ok
[06:46] <kingh3mp> well im off for a bit thanks for the help
[06:49] <len> kingh3mp, If you have you're home directory on it's one partition you could always just reinstall the older version and you'll still retain all your data and settings.   It is best practice to always install home to it's own partion rather that just doing the default install.
[06:49] <len> your home partition
[06:51] <len> Oh, I guess king was gone before I even responded :)
[06:54] <jamil_1> hi all I get crash on each restart: http://paste.ubuntu.com/709305/
[06:58] <GirlyGirl> len: Besides apart from KDE3 EOL releases, oneiric will perform the best compared to others
[06:59] <rectec794613> Can somebody help me out with this? I'm running Kubuntu 11.04 with KDE 4.7.1. The widgets from the Dashboard recently disappeared, however I can tell they're still running in the background because the Google Translate widget complains about how it needs a network connection when I disconnect. How can I remove these widgets if I can't X them out from their menus?
[07:03] <rectec794613> Could be the cause of my performance loss also...
[07:04] <len> GirlyGirl,  I never said most people would ever want to downgrade under normal conditions, but sometimes unusual situations do arise.  I believe that support for some old hardware was dropped  from the kernel when from the to 3.0.  If you happen to still be using that requires and older kernel, it is probably easier to downgrade to a previous version of Kubuntu than to try to run Oneiric on the older series kernel it was never tested with.
[07:06] <len> I seem to be making a lot of typos, and even omitting whole words that are in my head, but just don't make it out my fingers.
[07:10] <len> recte79461,  You lost ALL the  widgets, on the panel, but not the panel itself?
[07:12] <rectec794613> I lost all that were on the dashboard. Panel's still intact. Don't know about the desktop because I didn't have any widgets on it. All the widgets that I had on the dashboard still have the checkmark next to them in the add widgets menu.
[07:15] <rectec794613> I tried messing around with the kde-plasma-desktop file (not exactly sure what it's called) to see if I could remove the widgets from the list, but it was too confusing.
[07:16] <metellius> has anyone actually gotten nepomuk/strigi to do anything useful? I have tried it on every release since 4.4, but it never manages to index my files or give any useful results
[07:16] <metellius> now it switches between giving me completely unrelated results or no results at all
[07:18] <len> Well, if it's really messed up, and you don't mind reconstructing it the way you like, you would always just rename the .kde directory, to get a fresh config.  Then if you want to undo for some reason, you can just copy .kde.old (or whatever you called it) back to .kde
[07:18] <rectec794613> metellius: I don't find it very useful. I turned semantic desktop off and limited it's memory usage to minimum
[07:18] <rectec794613> wow cat just walked over keyboard -_-
[07:19] <metellius> it seems to rely on the idea that people can actually categorize their files
[07:19] <len> I should use that as my excuse.  Nodboy would know I don't have a cat.  :)
[07:19] <rectec794613> Not useful unless you search daily.
[07:19] <rectec794613> lol
[07:20] <rectec794613> cat climbs through the window and walks over the keyboard almost every day
[07:20] <rectec794613> ok back on topic
[07:20] <metellius> but I have previously come to love features that I at first overlooked in kde, so I really want to give it a shot
[07:20] <metellius> I'm just so disappointed that it can't even do the basics right
[07:21] <rectec794613> len: I'll look through the directory and see if I can find the plasmoids folder
[07:22] <rectec794613> metellius: yeah nepomuk and akonadi. Why have a system-wide password storage service if firefox does it all for you?
[07:22] <len> I've edited them directly before to fix problems like you're having, but sometime it just turns out to be faster to just repopulate the default kde config.
[07:23] <metellius> I don't agree on akonadi though, having an abstraction taking care of mail and contacts actually makes a lot of sense for having multiple programs use the same data
[07:24] <metellius> I just find the whole nepomuk idea that "all information can and should be searchable!" kind of over the top
[07:24] <rectec794613> metellius: yeah i agree it may be useful for some people but for me, I only type passwords in ff and thunderbird, it's not too much to handle
[07:26] <rectec794613> found a plasmoids folder, but I think it's just config
[07:26] <len> It's good in theory but ads layers of complication without much practical use for most users.
[07:27] <rectec794613> should be optional...
[07:31] <rectec794613> if I delete the .kde directory, that would mean all my kde settings, downloaded widgets, themes, etc. would be gone right? Isn't that a little overkill?
[07:35] <rectec794613> changing my name...
[07:38] <Rectec> metellius: Nepomuk's backup tool could be useful, although I prefer Kbackup
[07:38] <metellius> most of the nepomuk stuff floats around "could be useful"
[07:39] <Rectec> metellius: that's basically it's motto lol. "Could be useful"
[07:39] <Rectec> metellius: but nobody really has the incentive to actually use it
[07:40] <Graf_Westerholt> I've never used Nepomuk either.
[07:41] <Rectec> I hate programs that root themselves deep into the system, making it difficult to completely remove without breaking something.
[07:42] <Rectec> you still there len?
[07:43] <effchen> hi
[07:44] <effchen> can i found complete themes for kde plasma?
[07:44] <effchen> e.g. a dark one
[07:45] <Rectec> effchen: System Settings>Workspace Appearance>Desktop Theme
[07:45] <katsrc> why doesn't dolphin auto refresh?
[07:45] <Rectec> oxygen is good
[07:45] <Rectec> Give the "Get New Themes" button a try also
[07:46] <Rectec> katsrc: wouldn't that break concentration and slow the system?
[07:46] <effchen> Rectec: thx
[07:46] <katsrc> Rectec: i don't how much resource it would consume
[07:46] <katsrc> Windows XP does it
[07:47] <katsrc> it would make sense to do it during copy/moving files
[07:47] <Rectec> katsrc: might've disabled because it flickers
[07:48] <katsrc> summon the dolphin to refresh everytime there's file change in the directory
[07:48] <Rectec> katsrc: would be beneficial but they probably didn't implement it for a reason
[07:48] <katsrc> Rectec: it's suppose to be fixed https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=207361
[07:49] <Rectec> katsrc: what version of KDE?
[07:49] <katsrc> 4.7.1
[07:49] <katsrc> the fix was from 4.4
[07:50] <Rectec> lemme see if I have the problem too
[07:52] <Rectec> no I don't...
[07:52] <Rectec> I would purge and reinstall dolphin
[07:52] <katsrc> hmm..
[07:52] <katsrc> ok
[07:52] <Rectec> sudo apt-get --purge -remove dolphin
[07:53] <Rectec> sudo apt-get install dolphin
[07:54] <Rectec> good luck
[07:55] <katsrc> thanks
[07:55] <Rectec> how'd it go?
[07:56] <Rectec> heh we all have our problems... len?! where are you?
[07:59] <katsrc> i'm still waiting for the folder to complete moving
[07:59] <katsrc> then i'll do the purge/reinstall
[07:59] <Rectec> k
[08:00] <Rectec> know how to delete widgets without X'ing them out?
[08:00] <Rectec> got this problem
[08:00] <Rectec> Can somebody help me out with this? I'm running Kubuntu 11.04 with KDE 4.7.1. The widgets from the Dashboard recently disappeared, however I can tell they're still running in the background because the Google Translate widget complains about how it needs a network connection when I disconnect. How can I remove these widgets if I can't X them out from their menus?
[08:03] <katsrc> Rectec: have you tried killing plasma-desktop and restarting it?
[08:04] <Rectec> katsrc: I think so but I don't think it deletes widgets. 1 sec
[08:04] <katsrc> Rectec: they should reappear, and you can cross them out
[08:06] <Rectec> katsrc: nope. Besides, doesn't the plasma-desktop process technically restart on reboot?
[08:06] <phiscibe> Rectec:  do u have dual monitors
[08:06] <Rectec> phiscibe: no just 4 desktops, and I've opened the dashboard for each one
[08:06] <phiscibe> ah
[08:07] <phiscibe> wel you probably got 8 desktops IF you activated any activies
[08:07] <phiscibe> those activities keep on going till u close me
[08:07] <phiscibe> cloew them that is
[08:08] <phiscibe> 8 effective desktops, 4each actitity is sorta klike a desktop
[08:08] <Rectec> lol now I can't even open the dash
[08:08] <phiscibe> hey man its the same but diferent...i sound like cheech and hcong
[08:08] <GirlyGirl> katsrc: Rectec: Never "killall plasma-desktop" use "kquitapp plasma-desktop" instead
[08:09] <Rectec> phiscibe: lol. I can open it now, and there's still nothing there. The widgets are still presumably open.
[08:10] <Guest67583> hi!
[08:11] <phiscibe> some where in the seetings are settings on what to show in  your task  manager, from all desktops from minimized and i THINK all activities , but you got that little  tool box in the top corner use it to change activities and  each on u have goes off in to som eunknow land and continue s to compute, delte some, makes a muddle mess hwne you avhe twoo screens difren pae alyout on tow screen sfor 4 virtuald desktoops and actives thrown in to confus
[08:11] <Guest67583> i have a problem with kubuntu!
[08:11] <phiscibe> i cant tyupe for crap tonight, i swithced keyboards this one feels like hammering nails
[08:12] <phiscibe> can u get a right click context menu
[08:12] <phiscibe> try alt A to get to activiti4s for alt D
[08:13] <phiscibe> alt A or alt D jezz
[08:13] <Rectec> sorry trying to catch up lol
[08:13] <phiscibe> u gonna keep us in suspense guest67
[08:13] <Rectec> I was reading the output of plasma-desktop
[08:14] <phiscibe> those activities will stick in the persitant user state, they come back after reboot
[08:16] <phiscibe> if you can right click u can add panel, add the default one
[08:16] <Rectec> phiscibe: I'm confused now. I put the pc in sleep mode to see if Google Translate would but me, but nothing showed. However there's still checkmarks in the add activities menu
[08:16] <phiscibe> also make sure your page layout is desktop as that is where the default panel is probably hanging out, but it could be in the others
[08:17] <kerloi> Hi all. Does anyone know how to completely format an usb disk (included its MBR)
[08:18] <phiscibe> format is usually complete enough
[08:18] <kerloi> I used gparted but I still have some error when mounting the disk
[08:18] <phiscibe> but if you have the cia coming to look at it, better use a torch
[08:18] <GirlyGirl> Rectec: To reset plasma to defaults ... go to the .kde/share/config/ folder and delete ann files in the form plasma-***-rc
[08:19] <kerloi> phiscibe: My goal is not specifically to erase the data but :)
[08:19] <phiscibe> how many activies do u have
[08:19] <phiscibe> what file system are you using on the usb kerloi
[08:19] <Rectec> hold on trying to find a solution for kerloi atm
[08:20] <phiscibe> some usb drives just flat refues any thing, (for not good reason) other than fat 32
[08:20] <jamil_1> any ony: http://paste.ubuntu.com/709305/
[08:20] <jamil_1> ?
[08:20] <phiscibe> for no good reason i meant
[08:20] <kerloi> The kernel only detect /dev/sdb and /dev/sdb1 which is correct ... But kde indicate two drives
[08:20] <kerloi> And failed to mount it
[08:22] <jamil_1> kerloi: tried this: sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /media/xxx   ?
[08:22] <kerloi> Ok that's weird. Here is the complete story : I used dd to copy an iso on that disk to boot with it. Now /dev/sdb is a real partition I can mount it, it contain a linux.
[08:23] <phiscibe> so jamil_1 when it hits kinit, it just craps out
[08:23] <kerloi> but now I want to delete everything to use it as a classic usb hd ...
[08:24] <jamil_1> phiscibe: yup, I was told to install the debug symbols and I did so
[08:25] <jamil_1> libntrack is most probably the culprit but dont know how to fix it
[08:25] <phiscibe> so kerloi why cant you reformt it
[08:26] <phiscibe> doesst kde auto mount the usb when u stick it in? plug it up and look itn /mnt or /media
[08:26] <Rectec> GirlyGirl: ok I think it fixed it, but I'm gonna need to do some customizing.
[08:28] <kerloi> phiscibe: Well /dev/sdb can be mounted and contain a linux but /dev/sdb1 cant
[08:29] <phiscibe> the sysem usualy puts removable media like that in /mnt  (mount)  or in /media  /cdrom for optical
[08:30] <phiscibe> plug it and and do fdisk -l
[08:30] <phiscibe> mount
[08:30] <phiscibe> your mount command is bare also, missing paramaters
[08:31] <phiscibe> was it ever mounted under /dev/sdb1?
[08:32] <phiscibe> fdisk -l
[08:32] <phiscibe> sometimes i dont know if im in bash or term ugg
[08:32] <phiscibe> oh it problably must be sudo fdisk -l
[08:33] <phiscibe>  mount [-fnrsvw] [-o option[,option]...]  device|dirsyntax
[08:35] <kerloi> phiscibe: Yes I'm able to mount and use fdisk. But the problem is that /dev/sdb actually contain 698Mo of data (and I'm not forgetting any number it is /dev/sdb)
[08:35] <kerloi> I want to suppress this area
[08:35] <Rectec> thanks for the help guys
[08:35] <Rectec> I'm off
[08:37] <kerloi> That's fine I just dd /dev/zero to /dev/sdb on the whole disk
[08:37] <eristikophiles> w00t running 11.10 now :)
[08:37] <eristikophiles> i find out the o/s has a new version, a couple hours later, i'm running it. XD the beauty of k/ubuntu
[08:39] <phiscibe> ok you can manualy mount with the mount command like mount -ntfs /dev/sdbc /home/afolderthatexists
[08:39] <phiscibe> bvut if u have fstab entries it might prevent mounting to the same place
[08:39] <phiscibe> to mount everything in fstab its mount -a i think
[08:40] <phiscibe> q
[08:40] <well_laid_lawn> I like the verbose option with mount   sudo mount -av
[08:41] <phiscibe> eristikophiles: you suck
[08:41] <phiscibe> i cant even get itthe upgrade to start lol
[08:41] <eristikophiles> aw
[08:42] <eristikophiles> i'm doing my netbook now lol
[08:42] <phiscibe> and your done, dont tel l  jamil_1 thats one fuld install
[08:42] <eristikophiles> but if it makes you feel better, my netbook had errors earlier and i had to restart the process after fixing dpkg
[08:42] <phiscibe> ii know why it wont start, but i have four machiins and i am in no hurry
[08:43] <phiscibe>    im got a bad case of rethinkitis
[08:43] <phiscibe> changemygameplanphobia
[08:43] <eristikophiles> lol
[08:44] <phiscibe> i got but hung in some rooms for saying this, but looking hard at windows
[08:44] <eristikophiles> well, it remembered my settings and i don't think there's anything broken :)
[08:44] <eristikophiles> heh
[08:44] <eristikophiles> why, do you game, or use big-name apps that're only on windows?
[08:44] <phiscibe> i need higher end vector based software raster image prossors and ploter/vinyl cutter programs
[08:44] <phiscibe> plus the games
[08:45] <eristikophiles> i like the model that says: 'it takes longer to set up, but won't break' better than the model that says 'it's easy but breaks all the time'
[08:45] <phiscibe> amdi dont have time or want to deal with a dead liunx for 3 days
[08:45] <eristikophiles> well, get a game box for that. but for graphics, you may actually be better off with a mac
[08:46] <phiscibe> macs cosst too much imho, but they do have adobe, and illustrator wouldc be what i would need, however, i sspent recently about a year working in coreal draw every day...its hard to uturn
[08:47] <eristikophiles> heh coreldraw huh?
[08:47] <phiscibe> if i go linux inkscape will have to work, a must
[08:47] <phiscibe> and its verson .48 somthing, for years
[08:47] <eristikophiles> i learned that back in high school, never once encountered a box that actually had it or a job-type thing i needed it for
[08:47] <eristikophiles> learned photoshop randomly later
[08:47] <eristikophiles> (i'd use gimpshop on ubuntu)
[08:47] <phiscibe> must be vector based not raster
[08:47] <eristikophiles> still, illustrator *shrug*
[08:48] <phiscibe> under linux that is inkscape-top of the heap, under neath are xara skencil, kdraw, sk1
[08:48] <phiscibe> a few others
[08:49] <phiscibe> and ther is NO linux equiv to flexi sign or flexi sign pro
[08:49] <eristikophiles> in any windows your memory allocation and so on will be much less efficient
[08:49] <phiscibe> so im rethinking
[08:49] <eristikophiles> this is why macs are actually worth it for graphic, video, or audio
[08:49] <phiscibe> not alway true, corel and illustrator are direct x 10 accelerated
[08:49] <eristikophiles> yeah but your CPU and memory will be hogged by system crap before it gets to the apps you want
[08:50] <phiscibe> flash its flat better under windows, not linux fault all the way as its closed driver, but the sorry state of open gl and xorg dont help
[08:50] <eristikophiles> osx is basically bsd-like and is light. it also has the same apps windows does. if this is your job, it's like getting good tools and really may be worth it
[08:51] <eristikophiles> honestly the only stuff windows is really truly better at (besides games) are the big office apps
[08:51] <phiscibe> but then again if I could get a workable effiecnt affordable workflow in linx, shit i could franchise, chared 300,00 to join
[08:51] <phiscibe> charge
[08:51] <eristikophiles> like, proprietary apps used by big corps within offices, or things like autocad, or GIS software
[08:51] <eristikophiles> :)
[08:52] <phiscibe> there  is one thing too windows is far better at
[08:52] <phiscibe> not changing
[08:52] <phiscibe> its not a moving target
[08:53] <well_laid_lawn> phiscibe: try ##windows
[08:53] <phiscibe> you know im discussing computing and real facts, and what is doable and not
[08:53] <phiscibe> that is germain
[08:53] <phiscibe> im not denograting anything
[08:53] <well_laid_lawn> it's not relevant to the /topic
[08:54] <jamil_1> well_laid_lawn: here is something on topic: http://paste.ubuntu.com/709305/
[08:54] <eristikophiles> well_laid_lawn- i'm trying to recommend better alternatives here, you're not helping
[08:54] <well_laid_lawn> !tab | eristikophiles
[08:54] <phiscibe> get off your high horse and take it on a date, and IT IS TOPIC WHEN  you use one platform to debug another its just a tool, join # red hammer s cause eh alone see blue ones here
[08:54] <well_laid_lawn> there I helped
[08:55] <well_laid_lawn> phiscibe: you don't get to pic the topic
[08:55] <eristikophiles> phiscibe- really, go for it. make your awesome linux workflow
[08:55] <eristikophiles> :)
[08:55] <phiscibe>  and that is also a reason im and rethinkg, the linux culture, just a doulbe s's i know cuase im a big onetoo
[08:55] <eristikophiles> i don't see any true reason to prefer windows to *nix- but osx may be good for you
[08:56] <phiscibe> why we love the bloody turning machines is a myster, as is love
[08:56] <eristikophiles> well_laid_lawn- btw not only did i already know the tab trick, how are you so sure that it'll work on anyone's irc client?
[08:56] <eristikophiles> it's not always a feature, not always on
[08:56] <eristikophiles> phiscibe- you mean turing? .. turning?
[08:56] <phiscibe> have you evern printed a 40 foot banner or cut vinyl for a fleet of semis to be wraped, using inkscape
[08:56] <well_laid_lawn> eristikophiles: try typing wel and hitting the tab key
[08:57] <eristikophiles> what, you think i've been typing your name before this? lol
[08:57] <phiscibe> i cant tyope new keyboard, need teh old one back
[08:57] <eristikophiles> way too long
[08:57] <eristikophiles> ..i meant, there are users who will do it and it won't work
[08:57] <well_laid_lawn> eristikophiles: the way you're doing it isn't working
[08:57] <eristikophiles> well_laid_lawn- well_laid_lawn well_laid_lawn well_laid_lawn well_laid_lawn
[08:58] <well_laid_lawn> with the - on the end
[08:58] <eristikophiles> :) sure is
[08:58] <smw> So, does kde plan to rethink the desktop like unity or gnome-shell?
[08:58] <eristikophiles> i have it add that on purpose
[08:58] <phiscibe> but just becaseeu i speak truly about the problems using the nearess analogy dosnt make it off topic, it makes it blind censorship becuse i hate the truth kill the messanger ignore the problem
[08:58] <eristikophiles> i prefer the - to direct at someone, not :
[08:59] <phiscibe> for example i have on=e old machine, uses i915 intel driver
[08:59] <phiscibe> buggy as hell
[08:59] <phiscibe> bug reports for same issues go back years
[08:59] <phiscibe> workd for 15 not problem in xp
[08:59] <phiscibe> that is a diangnostic readlity when you are toubleshoting
[08:59] <eristikophiles> phiscibe- well, if you have finicky hardware that's a bit different
[09:00] <eristikophiles> personally, i've found that most hw works fine with most stuff, but it's when you get strange hw that's far out of mainstream, or when you get shitty pre-made hw, then it's bad
[09:00] <phiscibe> no the harddware is fine, just have to change the software is my point,
[09:00] <eristikophiles> like using a compaq or dell with linux might lead to bugs (bad hw makers), or getting some random off-brand hd
[09:00] <eristikophiles> ultimately, all hw needs to have drivers written
[09:00] <well_laid_lawn> how is this about kubuntu support?
[09:01] <eristikophiles> the more common the hw, the more likely it'll have driver support
[09:01] <eristikophiles> support? it has to be support too?
[09:01] <eristikophiles> i'm just talking about o/s-hw development in general terms now
[09:02] <phiscibe> how can people try to get to the solutikon if they drop a load in their diapes when you point out a fact using the other nearest software alalogy they fill their diaper,  lets discuss weather, but dont meantion wind
[09:02] <eristikophiles> let's discuss only weather support. do you need help hurricane-proofing your house? cool. if there's no hurricane though, we can't talk about houses.
[09:03] <phiscibe> worse its not even a concious though, u can make scripot do it and have out kick censorship, get the torches kill the hertic
[09:03] <phiscibe> the mssanger
[09:03] <well_laid_lawn> you mention diapers but not kubuntu...
[09:03] <well_laid_lawn> !topic | phiscibe
[09:03] <eristikophiles> metaphorically, kubuntu *is* the diapers
[09:03] <phiscibe> you know kick me out know cause ifeeeel rightiuos
[09:04] <phiscibe> clash of the assholes
[09:04] <eristikophiles> i like that the trigger includes the name, which causes the bot to add the name. way to go with the redundant info as a feature
[09:04] <phiscibe> got a script for god sake to aid in the obstifacation of the discussion
[09:04] <eristikophiles> phiscibe- but seriously. i think you can find good *nix solutions to your issues
[09:04] <eristikophiles> you don't need windows, what you need is a system that you build just for rendering
[09:04] <eristikophiles> if you want, dualboot it for the games
[09:04] <phiscibe> ok how when i describe the problem every one wets thei panties
[09:05] <eristikophiles> or just build a different game box (with wintendo) :)
[09:05] <eristikophiles> i didn't wet my panties
[09:05] <eristikophiles> i addressed your concern with input about other possibilities
[09:05] <eristikophiles> anyway, if you can't get a FOSS solution going, then go with osx. it's still *nix, which is better than windows
[09:06] <phiscibe> i sayu there is none, show me hwer, ithen they get scaared, (fear) that may6be ther is not, and it conflicts with wor;d  view, time fo flee, (buthead leaves chanel) or attack, (dwadd kicks buthead)
[09:06] <eristikophiles> (windows, in my opinion, actively holds back the world of computing from progress while also making tons of money for stuff that could be essentially free)
[09:07] <phiscibe> its not even about performance, and p4 with a better feature set, will be worth a i7 with none
[09:07] <phiscibe> the cream of Vector graphcis in linux is inkscape, it has been below a 1.0 release for uyears
[09:08] <phiscibe> i am willing to give myself to the project to commit i am passionate too, but i am surrond by dumb aszz
[09:09] <phiscibe> id like to see a solution but pretened ther is not a problm wtf
[09:09] <phiscibe> apple is the new microsft, worse in evey way
[09:10] <phiscibe> as pripriotery as they come but you know open source and free beer is great but so is capitlism
[09:10] <phiscibe> microsft made familes for lots of people
[09:12] <phiscibe> so are we still off topic or hs our world view expaned or do we bring on the clowns, (marching dictators with +_op)
[09:14] <Peace-> HI
[09:16] <GillesM> E:Erreur, pkgProblemResolver when I upgrade from 11.03 to 11.10
[09:16] <ForgeAus> uh what do I do if muon has stopped? it seems to have frozen configuring libboost-filesystem1.46.1 package
[09:26] <blackflag> Hello all , I upgraded to 11.10 an padevchooser is missing. Where can I get it? I need it for hearing sound over network....
[09:26] <blackflag> Can someone help?
[09:27] <well_laid_lawn> !info padevchooser
[09:27] <well_laid_lawn> !find padevchooser
[09:28] <blackflag> hmm, thanks! That means I have no longer music... hmmm
[09:28] <Peace-> blackflag:wait
[09:29] <Peace-> blackflag: you mean the pulse stuff?
[09:29] <Peace-> blackflag: if yes you can do sudo apt-get install pavucontrol  paprefs  paman
[09:29]  * Peace- doesn't use that stuff
[09:33] <blackflag> hmm okay installation successful but no padevchooser
[09:34] <Peace-> blackflag: wait
[09:35] <jamil_1> nobody? http://paste.ubuntu.com/709419/
[09:36] <Peace-> blackflag: btw , while i am searching ... are you sure you can't set the stuff on suystemsettings ?
[09:41] <blackflag> yes, I tried, can not find any usefull setting
[10:12] <cisz> hello, can someone helpy me with Enemy Territory?
[10:46] <progre55> hi guys. I've been having a couple of problems after updating to oneiric. first off, even though my task-manager settings says max 1 row, I get two rows when I open more than 3 apps. any suggestions, please?
[10:46] <progre55> also, I have problems with sound.. sometimes it works, sometimes doesnt
[10:56] <eristikophiles> "Ray's guitar broke"
[10:59] <oxymoron> How do I enabled sound if Gstreamer and VLC backend in Phonon does not work? I tried with install Xine, but nothing happens and I cannot change backend to xine in Phnon settings :S
[11:02] <ionut> HI!!!
[11:02] <ionut> I just installed KUBUNTU
[11:03] <jxjl> good afternoon, is there any way how to lock panel height in new kubuntu? my problem is, that after each reboot, panel gets smaller and smaller
[11:05] <well_laid_lawn> I wonder if that is session management gone wrong
[11:05] <eristikophiles> my upgrade from natty to oneiric on the netbook broke somewhere, and it says it's completed when i try to re-run the updater, and lsb_release -a says it's running oneiric. only, no reboot happened, and also i can't get online, and running dpkg --configure -a returns an error (stuck at flashplugin-downloader, saying that it can't resolve server. other tests also show i can't get online (plugged into LAN) .. any ideas?
[11:05] <eristikophiles> i could d/l the installer for that program and see if it keeps going afterwards, but not sure if that's a solution
[11:05] <jxjl> so should i set session management not to remember anything and start new session?
[11:07] <oxymoron> try to do apt-get update and then sudo apt-get upgrade
[11:07] <eristikophiles> oxymoron- i can't d/l anything because it's knocked offline
[11:07] <oxymoron> eristikophiles: Worked for me, I got stuck with some weird fawltyness with Flash, today it worked.
[11:07] <eristikophiles> dhclient is just hanging
[11:07] <oxymoron> eristikophiles: Doesnt internet work?
[11:08] <eristikophiles> nope
[11:08] <Mamarok> oxymoron: he is online, hence it does
[11:08] <eristikophiles> no, this is on another box
[11:08] <oxymoron> Mamarok: Haha lol, yes of course xD
[11:08] <eristikophiles> i'm upgrading a netbook
[11:09] <Mamarok> eristikophiles: download the missing packages to that box and install them from a USB stick?
[11:09] <oxymoron> eristikophiles: Do you use wired or wifi internet?
[11:09] <oxymoron> eristikophiles: Not sure if its faster, but if you have time just copy home folder etc you want. Afterwards you just do a clean installl ;)
[11:11] <oxymoron> How do I enabled sound if Gstreamer and VLC backend in Phonon does not work? I tried with install Xine, but nothing happens and I cannot change backend to xine in Phnon settings :S
[11:12] <oxymoron> tried remove gstreamer-pulseaudio, no change.
[11:12] <oxymoron> THOUGh now my HDMI first time works finally :D I managed to get sound once, but then it didnt anymore :P
[11:13] <oxymoron> how to error check sound?
[11:13] <jamil_1> eristikophiles: what is output of  ifconfig -a
[11:13] <eristikophiles> oxymoron- i plugged the netbook into LAN for the upgrade
[11:13] <eristikophiles> it's way faster
[11:13] <oxymoron> except alsamixer, muted etc, already tried that
[11:13] <eristikophiles> jamil_1- eth0 shows tons of dropped packets and errors
[11:14] <oxymoron> eristikophiles: Yeah, but I mean instead of trying to fix it manually. Just remove everything and do clean install of 11.10 ;)
[11:14] <eristikophiles> in fact, the gui network manager shows a graph of in/out data but also says it can't get an IP
[11:14] <oxymoron> eristikophiles: LAN cable usually never fails in Linux.
[11:14] <eristikophiles> hm
[11:14] <eristikophiles> well, i have a totally separate partition for my datacache
[11:14] <eristikophiles> i could do a clean install
[11:15] <Girly-Girl> ionut: Welcome then
[11:15] <eristikophiles> but i'd lose all my settings and layout
[11:15] <eristikophiles> ;p
[11:15] <oxymoron> eristikophiles: I had some issued myself with networkmanager, but that was wifi problem.
[11:15] <eristikophiles> not to mention all the apps
[11:15] <eristikophiles> that i have installed
[11:15] <eristikophiles> my wifi has been quirky but it works
[11:15] <eristikophiles> ..though not now, in my half-upgraded state
[11:15] <eristikophiles> ;p
[11:16] <oxymoron> eristikophiles: you could save settings and layout. I do not know how to backup apps though. Would be nice with backup exporting settings and all apps :D
[11:16] <eristikophiles> fun fact: i tried copying the needed install file by flash drive. somehow, the flash drive loses the file!
[11:16] <jxjl> hm, it wasn't because of session management I set i to start clean session, unlocked panel, set the correct size, locked panel , logged out and back in, and panel is smaller, when I repeat it, I end with 10 px panel, BTW where the panel configuration is saved?
[11:16] <oxymoron> eristikophiles: Maybe didnt unmount USB stick?
[11:18] <eristikophiles> yeah apparently that was it
[11:18] <eristikophiles> i'm used to just yanking 'em out so long as no write operations are involved. must remember to safely unmount from now on
[11:19] <eristikophiles> oxymoron- there should be a system-app for that in k/ubuntu
[11:19] <eristikophiles> to backup settings and apps
[11:19] <Girly-Girl> oxymoron: Don't know if you sent a reply or got my message as my connection dropped
[11:19] <Girly-Girl> oxymoron: Were you the one who was unhappy with the "no back button" in the KDE launcher?
[11:19] <eristikophiles> *shrug* whatever
[11:19] <eristikophiles> i'll see if i can fix this now
[11:19] <eristikophiles> if not, i'll consider a wipe
[11:20] <eristikophiles> anyone know off the top of their head how to redirect dpkg to install from a local source?
[11:20] <eristikophiles> or apt?
[11:20] <oxymoron> Girly-Girl: Hehe yes ...
[11:20] <jamil_1> eristikophiles: dpkg -i packagename
[11:20] <Girly-Girl> eristikophiles: What is the issue a broken update? try "sudo apt-get install -f"
[11:20] <oxymoron> eristikophiles: Really what system app is that? :O
[11:21] <oxymoron> Girly-Girl: You maybe know how to fix my sound btw? :P
[11:21] <eristikophiles> thanks
[11:21] <jamil_1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/709419/
[11:21] <jamil_1> what is wrong with ntrack
[11:22] <Girly-Girl> oxymoron: If you want to try a different launcher "sudo apt-get intsall plasma-widget-lancelot"  ... then add widget "lancelot" to your taskbar .... its an official alternative for kmenu by kde developers
[11:22] <oxymoron> Girly-Girl: Already tried Lancelot, but maybe the dev cycle accelerated ... and fixed all issues :P
[11:23] <Girly-Girl> oxymoron: When did you try it?
[11:23] <oxymoron> Do not remember last time, maybe around KDE 4.5 release
[11:24] <Girly-Girl> oxymoron: Its quite different now ... maybe worth another try
[11:24] <eristikophiles> bah. this tactic isn't working. targeting the .tar.gz with dpkg -i doesn't work, neither does unpacking and targeting the .so file
[11:24] <eristikophiles> is there another file within the container that i could target?
[11:25] <Girly-Girl> eristikophiles: What are you trying to install?
[11:25] <jamil_1> eristikophiles: dpkg -i is for *.deb
[11:25] <eristikophiles> well, the file that dpkg was trying to fetch was a tar.gz
[11:26] <oxymoron> Girly-Girl: Hmm not sure if I like it better, but I give it a go :) What I do not like is that KDE start button in left bottom corner DO NOT resize when I change height on bottom panel xD I want it BIGGGGGGGGGGGGG :D
[11:27] <eristikophiles> i see the errors saying that it wants .deb files now too
[11:27] <eristikophiles> ;p
[11:27] <Girly-Girl> oxymoron: Right click on the launcher and click configure ... then set a larger icon
[11:27] <eristikophiles> why the hell can't adobe get with it and release proper linux shit?
[11:27] <oxymoron> Girly-Girl: I want vector icon?
[11:27] <Inadaptado> Oh, hell, no, I don't want infinite Adobe updates in Linux too
[11:27] <Girly-Girl> oxymoron: Also your xDDDDDDDD , :d, :p is annoying on a support channel please stop with that
[11:28] <Inadaptado> Morning, btw
[11:28] <oxymoron> Girly-Girl: I will try to stop
[11:28] <Girly-Girl> eristikophiles: You are trying to install flash player update?
[11:28] <oxymoron> Flash player update works now, didnt yesterday
[11:30] <oxymoron> is there any app btw to send screenshots directly to imagebin?
[11:30] <eristikophiles> Girly-Girl- i'm trying to upgrade from natty to oneiric, but it broke in the middle, and now it won't get online, and i can't fix dpkg because it gets stuck not-downloading a file that isn't even a .deb file. i hate adobe. i seriously do.
[11:31] <Inadaptado> I had problems too. Sent everything to hell, formated and installed fresh at the end
[11:31] <eristikophiles> Inadaptado- what i'd really like is for some smart person to create something that does what flash does but so much better and FOSS that no one ever uses flash on a site ever again
[11:31] <eristikophiles> ;p
[11:31] <Girly-Girl> eristikophiles: Ok that means it is failing whille unpacking a deb that is configured to download a .gz archive
[11:31] <eristikophiles> i could. it'd just be a minor pan
[11:31] <eristikophiles> *i
[11:31] <Inadaptado> I think you mean HTML5. Just give it time
[11:32] <Girly-Girl> eristikophiles: You have not rebooted?
[11:32] <eristikophiles> Girly-Girl- no i'm afraid if i do the box won't start
[11:32] <eristikophiles> it literally told me "this may mean your system will be unusable"
[11:32] <Girly-Girl> eristikophiles: Are you using ethernet or wlan?
[11:32] <eristikophiles> while the upgrade failed
[11:32] <eristikophiles> i plugged it into LAN
[11:32] <eristikophiles> much faster
[11:33] <Girly-Girl> eristikophiles: The upgrade is proceeding now or is it stalled
[11:33] <Inadaptado> That's the same problem I had. Bollocks, it worked okay. But the updates didn't
[11:33] <oxymoron> Girly-Girl: http://wstaw.org/m/2011/10/16/plasma-desktopBz1582.jpg loon at that, on KDE icon and size of the rest. I overdid the size of course, to show that it does not work and never did.
[11:33] <eristikophiles> no, it says "upgrade completed" (even though when it first failed, it also gave me a long warning)
[11:33] <Girly-Girl> eristikophiles: Ok, open terminal and type "sudo apt-get install -f"
[11:34] <eristikophiles> what's -f do?
[11:34] <Inadaptado> Heh, I had to do the same. So it is not just me, somebody botched the updates
[11:34] <eristikophiles> nm looked it up
[11:34] <eristikophiles> haha error code 1
[11:35] <Girly-Girl> eristikophiles: What output exactly?
[11:35] <eristikophiles> two packages are broken: flashplugin-downloader:i386, and flashplugin-installer
[11:35] <eristikophiles> both adobe's little turds
[11:35] <Inadaptado> What a surprise
[11:35] <eristikophiles> yeah, i already saw this from dpkg output
[11:35] <Girly-Girl> eristikophiles: Does it attempt to fix this
[11:35] <eristikophiles> i tried to install the first one manually, didn't work since it's not a .deb but a tar.gz
[11:36] <eristikophiles> no, i can't get online so it fails to d/l from canonical.org
[11:36] <eristikophiles> er, .com
[11:36] <Girly-Girl> eristikophiles: Both packages are made by canonical, not adobe they are simply scripts to download the plugin
[11:36] <eristikophiles> but also the target files are tar.gz anyway! ;p
[11:36] <eristikophiles> ok
[11:37] <eristikophiles> well, where would i get the .deb files to actually install from local?
[11:37] <eristikophiles> i have to move 'em over with a flash drive
[11:37] <Girly-Girl> eristikophiles: You said you plugged in ethernet? doesn't that work?
[11:37] <eristikophiles> nope
[11:37] <eristikophiles> i was using LAN for the upgrade
[11:37] <eristikophiles> after the first failure, it hasn't worked
[11:37] <eristikophiles> dhclient hangs, ifconfig shows tons of dropped packets in Rx
[11:37] <oxymoron> i guess some lan/dhcp packages were broken in the install.
[11:37] <eristikophiles> browser won't connect anywhere
[11:38] <eristikophiles> yeah
[11:38] <eristikophiles> but i mean,  i figure it can't restore the package db without fixing these 2 packages
[11:38] <Girly-Girl> eristikophiles: Try entering manual configuration in kde network manager
[11:38] <eristikophiles> i'm using a terminal :)
[11:38] <oxymoron> Not sure which packages they are, but if possible I should use USb stick, hen copy the required packageges and resintall them or maybe reconfigure with dpkg
[11:38] <Girly-Girl> eristikophiles: Is there no wlan on this pc?
[11:39] <oxymoron> dpkg --reconfigure network-manager for isntance.
[11:40] <eristikophiles> Girly-Girl- how would that help?
[11:40] <oxymoron> anyway, could someone try to help me with my sound? need some tips how to make it work again, without fresh install of Kubntu please :P
[11:40] <Girly-Girl> eristikophiles: Ok since both packages are dummy packages and only launch scripts run "sudo apt-get remove flashplugin-downloader flashplugin-installer"
[11:40] <jamil_1> oxymoron: what is your sound device ?
[11:41] <jamil_1> oxymoron: intel ?
[11:41] <oxymoron> jamil_1: Not quite sure, but some default Intel HDA or similar.
[11:41] <jamil_1> oxymoron: you can find this from lspci
[11:41] <oxymoron> jamil_1: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 04)
[11:41] <jamil_1> oxymoron: and you machine is ?
[11:41] <Girly-Girl> eristikophiles: it will not help
[11:41] <jamil_1> oxymoron: laptio
[11:41] <jamil_1> *latop ?
[11:42] <jamil_1> oxymoron: model ?
[11:42] <Girly-Girl> eristikophiles: Have you run "sudo apt-get remove flashplugin-downloader flashplugin-installer"?
[11:42] <oxymoron> jamil_1: I managed to get sound to hdmi once, but that on a bug when Phonon settings showed all sound output stream options and I could try them all.
[11:42] <oxymoron> jamil_1: Uhm Acer Timeline X 3830T
[11:42] <eristikophiles> no that sounds a bit drastic, but i guess it can't really hurt
[11:43] <jamil_1> oxymoron: currently not sound at all ?
[11:43] <Girly-Girl> oxymoron: Make sure the correct phonon backend is selectes in multimidea in sys settings
[11:43] <oxymoron> jamil_1: it worked before, it crashed after I upgraded to 11.10 and my libxine was removed. Last time it didnt work either, then install xine and it worked. Now I CANNOT install Xine at all ...
[11:43] <Girly-Girl> eristikophiles: Its not ... they are dummy packages
[11:43] <oxymoron> jamil_1: Nope, no sound at all.
[11:43] <Girly-Girl> eristikophiles: You can safely remove then and reinstall later
[11:43] <jamil_1> oxymoron: what cant you install xine ?
[11:43] <oxymoron> Girly-Girl: Neither Gstreamer or VLC works. And Xine Backend isnt available even though it is installed.
[11:44] <Inadaptado> I think a fresh install wouldn't take as long :D
[11:44] <jamil_1> *why
[11:44] <oxymoron> jamil_1: I can isntall libxine, kde-config-phonon-xine, but I cannot pick xine as backend streamer in Phonon
[11:44] <jamil_1> oka
[11:44] <oxymoron> jamil_1: I was available todo that earlier before 11.10 ...
[11:44] <eristikophiles> huh, it removed them. but also it says some 40-odd packages aren't needed and wants me to apt-get autoremove
[11:44] <eristikophiles> ..not sure if those were leftover from the upgrade or what
[11:45] <Girly-Girl> oxymoron: "sudo killall pulseaudio" ... then open terminal "rm -rf .pulse" then restart
[11:45] <Inadaptado> There's a fair amount of changes,it may be
[11:45] <Girly-Girl> eristikophiles: Yes do "sudo apt-get autoremove"
[11:45] <oxymoron> jamil_1: What bothers me is that EVERY SINGLE time I upgraded Kubuntu it crashed my Audio settings.
[11:45] <Inadaptado> Hear hear
[11:45] <eristikophiles> ok, i suspect this will help clean the mess either way
[11:45] <oxymoron> jamil_1: On different PC configurations of course, bot laptops and desktops
[11:45] <Inadaptado> Same
[11:45] <Guest95119> hi who can help me?
[11:45] <jamil_1> oxymoron: same here
[11:46] <Girly-Girl> eristikophiles: Done?
[11:46] <Inadaptado> That's why I did a fresh install. Which kind of regret by now
[11:46] <eristikophiles> no, it's gonna take a minute for all those
[11:46] <jamil_1> oxymoron: have you tried following this link: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[11:46] <jamil_1> oxymoron: this works for me almost every time
[11:47] <BluesKaj> Hiyas
[11:47] <Inadaptado> Guest95119: What's the matter?
[11:47] <oxymoron> jamil_1: I really do not understand what they are doing, Gstreamer SUCKS and always done, never ever worked for me. VLC I do not know what it does, but do not work. It is quite sad, I thought Phonon should affect this with abstract layer with fallbacks. But that doesnt help if not ANY backend work xD
[11:47] <Inadaptado> BluesKaj: hi
[11:48] <eristikophiles> oxymoron- i like dragonplayer myself
[11:48] <oxymoron> jamil_1: Yeah I have tried that, but I would rather skip that if possible, hate manually configure config files.
[11:48] <BluesKaj> hi Inadaptado
[11:48] <eristikophiles> VLC became buggy and didn't work with all the vid file formats i have
[11:48] <Girly-Girl> oxymoron: did you try "sudo killall pulseaudio" ... then open terminal "rm -rf .pulse" then restart?
[11:48] <eristikophiles> Girly-Girl- ok it's done now
[11:48] <oxymoron> eristikophiles: Dragon player is a media player, not what we discuss :P I do not like it though, prefer kaffeine, VLC or amarok, depending on what I shoul do.
[11:49] <oxymoron> Girly-Girl: Yes, but what you mean restart? Reboot?
[11:49] <Inadaptado> VLC is a bit annoying right now, I hope it doesn't last long
[11:49] <Girly-Girl> oxymoron: yes
[11:49] <oxymoron> Girly-Girl: Well I havent done that yet, do that now. brb
[11:49] <Guest95119> i installed kubuntu 11.10 with live cd and a connection to internet.i selected updates from third partes during the installation but at 90% of installation all freeze.i reboot and the system run well without problem..could i have any issue??
[11:49] <sagaci> so do I install the fglrx driver in Additional drivers or the same thing, but with post-release updates?
[11:49] <Girly-Girl> eristikophiles: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:49] <eristikophiles> i've gotten sick of music players that keep library data and attempt to manage files. they all keep getting buggy and not working. i used juk for some time, but then it developed bugs, then atunes, that got buggy too. finally reverted to audacious because of its simple winamp-like model
[11:50] <eristikophiles> hmm
[11:50] <eristikophiles> you want me to just do it in terminal?
[11:50] <eristikophiles> *shrug*
[11:50] <Girly-Girl> eristikophiles: yes
[11:50] <eristikophiles> haha
[11:50] <eristikophiles> it's done
[11:50] <eristikophiles> it touched 0 packages
[11:51] <Girly-Girl> eristikophiles: Ok now "nano /etc/apt/sources.lst
[11:51] <eristikophiles> ew nano?
[11:51] <eristikophiles> i like vi for system files
[11:51] <Girly-Girl> eristikophiles: ok whatever we are just viewing it
[11:51] <Inadaptado> Guest95119: We were discussing that same thing right now, try "sudo apt-get install -f", see what happens
[11:51] <Anubis> how do i prevent grun to display a graphic screen instead of console screen ?
[11:51] <oxymoron> Girly-Girl: Sorry, didnt work :/
[11:52] <Girly-Girl> Inadaptado: That will not help for desktop ubiquity installs
[11:52] <eristikophiles> then why not cat | less? .. anyway, it was empty and it *made* a new file
[11:52] <oxymoron> Girly-Girl: I though removed pulseaudio from Gstreamer, so it shouldnt run at all.
[11:52] <eristikophiles> oh because it's .list
[11:52] <eristikophiles> heh
[11:52] <Inadaptado> Oh, my bad
[11:52] <Inadaptado> Sometimes I forget I have a laptop
[11:53] <Guest95119> sorry for my question but i never used IRC channel and i don't hnow how it runs...you are discussing about installation freezing or video drivers?
[11:53] <Inadaptado> Actually both
[11:53] <eristikophiles> yeah Girly-Girl i have just about every normal part enabled
[11:53] <eristikophiles> including multiverse / universe and extras
[11:53] <oxymoron> Girly-Girl: it is quite fun, earlier on previous releases alsa was problem and installed pulseaudio to make amarok sound work. Then someone break it ... and had to install xine all the time. Then some dumbass decided upgrade process should remove xine packages so I need to fix it again. But this time it doesnt work ...
[11:53] <Girly-Girl> eristikophiles: does it say oneiric ?
[11:53] <eristikophiles> yup
[11:54] <eristikophiles> on everything but backports which is natty and is commented out anyway
[11:54] <Girly-Girl> !language | oxymoron
[11:54] <oxymoron> Girly-Girl: Sorry, I am just so tired of Reconfigure Kubuntu all the time, especially sound that should work out of the box no matter of sound card chip.
[11:55] <Inadaptado> Guest95119: Have you tried updating again?
[11:55] <Girly-Girl> oxymoron: "sudo apt-get purge alsa-base alsa-utils pulseaudio pulseaudio-utils" then "sudo apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils pulseaudio pulseaudio-utils"
[11:55] <Girly-Girl> eristikophiles: Ok, you are in a tty?
[11:56] <eristikophiles> zsh on kterminal
[11:56] <eristikophiles> er, konsole
[11:56] <Girly-Girl> eristikophiles: You have a GUI running?
[11:56] <eristikophiles> yeah it's in kde still
[11:57] <eristikophiles> like i said, i haven't left the environment because i'm afraid it'll break itself trying to do so
[11:57] <eristikophiles> who knows what-all updated and what didn't
[11:57] <Guest95119> i dont' know how..in general the system is ok but for example when i try to activate video driver for my graphic card there are no changings...for example if i select advanced desktop effects their doesn' t work
[11:57] <Girly-Girl> eristikophiles: Ok, in terminal "sudo ifdown -a" then "sudo ifup -a"
[11:57] <oxymoron> Girly-Girl: That remove kubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-netbook? :S
[11:58] <Girly-Girl> oxymoron: No problem
[11:58] <Girly-Girl> oxymoron: They are dummy packages not a complete package
[11:58] <oxymoron> Girly-Girl: Alright :)
[11:58] <Inadaptado> Guest95119:  Go to muon package manager (use the search bar on the start menu) and click 'full-upgrade'
[11:59] <eristikophiles> woah. never heard of those
[11:59] <BluesKaj> oxymoron, make sure your audio module  is listed as 'options snd_nameofmodule index=0' in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf . This setting makes the audio module for your card the systemwide default or Card 0 . To find the right module do , lsmod | grep snd , then a do, sudo modprobe snd_nameofmodule , then sudo alsa force-reload
[11:59] <Guest95119> i'll try
[11:59] <eristikophiles> heh, neat
[11:59] <eristikophiles> i always just use dhclient to reset network connection
[11:59] <Girly-Girl> eristikophiles: Is the network working now?
[12:00] <oxymoron> BluesKaj: is there any single one command to do that? :D
[12:00] <oxymoron> BluesKaj: Or maybe bash script.
[12:00] <eristikophiles> nope
[12:01] <eristikophiles> ifconfig reports tons of collisions and dropped packets still
[12:01] <Inadaptado> I may have froze guest's computer. Oh, well, at least I tried
[12:01] <Inadaptado> frozen*
[12:01] <eristikophiles> ..the dropped packets are steadily increasing
[12:01] <BluesKaj> oxymoron, not that I know of , it's not real difficult if you just do the steps one by one
[12:01] <eristikophiles> and there is no IP addressed
[12:01] <eristikophiles> trying sudo dhclient eth0
[12:02] <oxymoron> great now HDMI doesnt work :S it worked when I rebooted computer. But when reached desktop, it doesnt work anymore. Try to replug the connection, but still not owkr.
[12:02] <BluesKaj> oxymoron, just try it
[12:02] <oxymoron> BluesKaj: No, but I do not want to need to do it. In Windows as uI have to compare with this time, you never need to manually edit its config files.
[12:03] <Girly-Girl> eristikophiles: /etc/init.d/networking restart
[12:05] <Inadaptado> Speaking of Muon, am I the only one that, no matter what you search, always get
[12:05] <Girly-Girl> eristikophiles: sorry "sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart"
[12:05] <peace_> hola'
[12:05] <Inadaptado> *gets the same results at the beginning?
[12:05] <BluesKaj> oxymoron, if you don't want to follow advice , then stop complaining and taking up room in the chat, at least try to fix your problem first.
[12:05] <oxymoron> BluesKaj: Which one? http://pastebin.com/YDHZ7w7Z
[12:05] <Inadaptado> peace_: hola
[12:06] <oxymoron> BluesKaj: Alright, trying now.
[12:06] <burazrock> Inadaptado now i'm under kubuntu.i try sudo apt-get install -f but there are no problems..so even if the installation stops at 90% there are no problems?
[12:07] <Girly-Girl> burazrock: Upgrade or fresh install?
[12:07] <BluesKaj> oxymoron, snd_hda_intel
[12:07] <burazrock> Girly-Girl:fresh install
[12:08] <eristikophiles> first it says it's deprecated, then runs anyway.. says [OK] at the end of the one line, which just says "reconfiguring network interfaces"
[12:08] <oxymoron> snd_hda_intel is not in alsa base config file options?
[12:09] <eristikophiles> also, ifconfig is unchanged (still shows increasing numbers of bad packets)
[12:09] <eristikophiles> errors, dropped, overruns
[12:09] <oxymoron> BluesKaj:
[12:09] <eristikophiles> ..for Tx as well as Rx oddly
[12:09] <eristikophiles> it's like it keeps trying to get data, and gets back data, but none of it is resolved properly
[12:10] <Inadaptado> Euhh... I don't know what the last 10% of the installation does. Cleanup? In that case there shouldn't be any problem
[12:10] <oxymoron> BluesKaj: No one has index=0
[12:10] <eristikophiles> dhclient still hangs
[12:10] <Girly-Girl> burazrock: Run "sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop" then "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[12:11] <BluesKaj> oxymoron, in  in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf  ,type this , options snd_hda_intel index=0
[12:11] <burazrock> Girly-Girl: this script disinstall kwin and reinstall it?
[12:11] <Peace-> BluesKaj: :)
[12:11] <jamil_1> ubottu: any change you know something: http://paste.ubuntu.com/709419/
[12:12] <BluesKaj> hi Peace-
[12:12] <oxymoron> BluesKaj: Yes, did all steps, next?
[12:12] <Girly-Girl> BluesKaj: ok
[12:13] <Girly-Girl> burazrock: ok
[12:13] <Girly-Girl> BluesKaj: Sorry wrong person
[12:13] <BluesKaj> oxymoron , sudo modprobe  snd_hda_intel
[12:13] <burazrock> these are the packets after sudo apt-get isntall -f  screen-resolution-extra libgomp1 python-central gcc-4.6 libquadmath0 gcc
[12:13] <burazrock>   nvidia-settings-updates dkms libc6-dev linux-libc-dev patch manpages-dev
[12:13] <burazrock>   libc-dev-bi
[12:13] <oxymoron> BluesKaj: yes did that and force.reload
[12:13] <Girly-Girl> burazrock: yes its fine
[12:13] <jamil_1> eristikophiles: whats the output of: sudo route -n
[12:13] <burazrock> can i clean these packets ?
[12:14] <Girly-Girl> burazrock: yes
[12:14] <eristikophiles> just shows some headers on a table, no data
[12:15] <eristikophiles> Destination   Gateway  and so on
[12:15] <BluesKaj> oxymoron, you might need to reboot if your audio isn't working yet , make sure your Card 0 is default in phonon devices , pass the cursor over the devices to find it
[12:15] <jamil_1> eristikophiles: thats why packets are dropped
[12:15] <Girly-Girl> eristikophiles: what does "ifconfig" show
[12:15] <burazrock> i try to understand if i'm only one that have problem with freezing of installation and video driver
[12:16] <jamil_1> eristikophiles: ifconfig eth0 shows an ip or not ?
[12:16] <Inadaptado> You are not, burazrock, I had problems both upgrading and installing fresh
[12:16] <Girly-Girl> oxymoron: "sudo apt-get install pavucontrol"
[12:16] <oxymoron> BluesKaj: I only have ONE in phonon devices.
[12:17] <ghabit> Hello. Help! Just installed kubuntu, and I have no sound
[12:17] <eristikophiles> oddly, it shows an ipv6 address but no ipv4 one
[12:17] <eristikophiles> for eth0
[12:17] <ghabit> cannot listen music
[12:17] <ghabit> cannot look video, but I can hear system sounds.
[12:17] <BluesKaj> oxymoron, I would reboot
[12:17] <oxymoron> ghabit: Lol, welcome to the club :D
[12:17] <Girly-Girl> ghabit: Fresh install?
[12:17] <ghabit> oxymoron: Do you have only system sounds also? ^)
[12:17] <ghabit> Girly-Girl: yep, just installed
[12:17] <oxymoron> ghabit: Nope, no sound at all.
[12:17] <jamil_1> eristikophiles: eth0 is up ?
[12:17] <ghabit> I have 'brinnngg' when i'm deleting something.
[12:18] <oxymoron> BluesKaj: Yeah I try with another reboot.
[12:18] <eristikophiles> no, as far as i can tell, it's not
[12:18] <eristikophiles> i also can't seem to reach my router's IP
[12:18] <Girly-Girl> ghabit: Where do you not have sound?
[12:18] <jamil_1> eristikophiles: I meant does ifconfig eth0 show UP somewhere ?
[12:18] <burazrock> Girly-Girl after installing kubuntu-desktop what i should do?
[12:18] <ghabit> Girly-Girl: you just highlighed me, and I heared the quassel's sound.
[12:18] <ghabit> Girly-Girl: but amarok cannot give me sound
[12:18] <ghabit> youtube also
[12:19] <eristikophiles> yeah there's an entry for it
[12:19] <Girly-Girl> ghabit: Ok, Go in system settings > Multimedia
[12:19] <Girly-Girl> ghabit: Under phonon, move the prfered device for multimedia etc to the correct entry
[12:20] <jamil_1> eristikophiles: whats the out put if you do: sudo dhclient eth0
[12:20] <Girly-Girl> burazrock: Nothing its fine now
[12:20] <eristikophiles> jamil_1- it just hangs
[12:20] <ghabit> Girly-Girl: well, i can see phonon options. But where is prefered device? I can see pulse audio only.
[12:20] <jamil_1> eristikophiles: not output ?
[12:20] <eristikophiles> no output. i had to kill the processes in order to stop it.. the one time i actually waited like 10 minutes for it to finish, still no output, just dropped back to command line
[12:20] <oxymoron> BluesKaj: Nope, still doesnt work :S
[12:20] <burazrock> Girly-Girl sorry for my question but what problem i resolved with this installation?
[12:21] <jamil_1> eristikophiles: are you sure dhcp server is running somewhere ?
[12:21] <Girly-Girl> ghabit: click the phone first
[12:21] <eristikophiles> well yeah, i'm on the same router for this box
[12:21] <eristikophiles> ..which is very evidently online (and i just upgraded it to oneiric too.. and it's fine lol)
[12:21] <ghabit> Girly-Girl: phone?
[12:21] <burazrock> Inadaptado, ave you got problems during installation or after?
[12:21] <Girly-Girl> burazrock: nothing, its just a security mesure in case something was wrong it would have been fixed
[12:21] <BluesKaj> oxymoron, which player , VLC ?
[12:21] <oxymoron> BluesKaj: ONLY sound device I can see it Interal Audio, Anlog stereo
[12:21] <eristikophiles> in fact it was surprisingly easy. when i rebooted after the process, things just popped back like always
[12:21] <Girly-Girl> ghabit: phonon
[12:21] <oxymoron> BluesKaj: No system sound, no sound in VLC or anywhere.
[12:22] <eristikophiles> ..of course my poor ol' eee is giving me issues though
[12:22] <Girly-Girl> oxymoron: "sudo apt-get install pavucontrol" then launch "pavucontrol"
[12:22] <ghabit> Girly-Girl: phonon, and i have there only 'pulseaudio audioserver'
[12:22] <oxymoron> The most ODD now, is that my HDMI works in shutdown adn upstart process of laptop, but not in desktop environment? :D
[12:23] <Inadaptado> burazrock: During, some packages wouldn't upgrade/download
[12:23] <BluesKaj> oxymoron, ok , purge pulse audio , then reload alsa again
[12:23] <Girly-Girl> ghabit: hit test on the playback device
[12:23] <eristikophiles> Girly-Girl- do you suppose that i really have upgraded to oneiric as lsb_release -a indicates, or is that not true?
[12:23] <ghabit> Girly-Girl: silence on test.
[12:24] <Girly-Girl> eristikophiles: You have upgraded
[12:24] <eristikophiles> it seems like there must be a way to clean up the package db without the net
[12:24] <ghabit> but I can hear the quassel's sound.
[12:24] <ghabit> actually, kde's sounds.
[12:24] <eristikophiles> ok, so it's just a broken package db without a broken kernel or anything i guess
[12:24] <eristikophiles> ..it didn't reboot btw.. but it wants me to now
[12:24] <oxymoron> Girly-Girl: pavucontrol didnt help :/
[12:25] <BluesKaj> oxymoron,  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -y --reinstall install alsa-base alsa-utils; killall pulseaudio; rm -r ~/.pulse*
[12:25] <Girly-Girl> oxymoron: Can you control settings there?
[12:25] <oxymoron> Girly-Girl: Yes.
[12:25] <burazrock> Girly-Girl:oh good but there is another problem with my graphica card.. i have a geforce g105m.after installation some effect works fine automatically, but when i activate proprietary drivers when i active effects at right of screen opens a window of error and a list of effects that cannot apply
[12:25] <oxymoron> Girly-Girl: Trying different settings but nothing helps.
[12:26] <eristikophiles> Girly-Girl- i should note that prior to upgrading to natty, my LAN *and* wifi were broken
[12:26] <burazrock> Inadaptado: is like my installation..probably there are server problems..
[12:26] <ttedi> hello, I installed kubuntu 11.10 on my lenovo e325. the installer finished without any errors, but the computer always boots into windows (doesn't display a boot menu)
[12:26] <Inadaptado> Yeah, well, those things happens in the first days of a new release
[12:27] <ghabit> Girly-Girl: should I just try to reboot?
[12:27] <Inadaptado> happen*
[12:27] <Girly-Girl> ghabit: ok
[12:27] <eristikophiles> my LAN did work in like 9.04 i think, then i broke it trying to mess with firewall software (which i uninstalled but it didn't unbreak it). LAN worked again after 10.04, then 11.04 allowed me to use wifi finally but only after i plugged into LAN and then inputted the wifi passhex
[12:27] <eristikophiles> once it was connected to wifi on top of LAN, i unplugged and wifi kept working
[12:28] <eristikophiles> so really i have no clue wtf is wrong with this netbook in terms of drivers and stuff, but i do know it's crazy
[12:28] <oxymoron> Soon I give up, how hard should it be to fix HDMI with audio and video, and audio at all on a laptop.
[12:28] <eristikophiles> i had hoped 11.10 would lead to yet more improvements, but alas it's just re-broken the damn thing
[12:28] <Girly-Girl> eristikophiles: Reboot the system and try
[12:28] <Inadaptado> I haven't been able to use wifi properly until this release. So far at least.
[12:28] <eristikophiles> i guess..
[12:28] <eristikophiles> you think there's a chance it'll not boot right?
[12:29] <oxymoron> There is some heavy improvements in 11.10, but some things is unfortunatly broken
[12:29] <eristikophiles> i could probably still copy over some stuff into the data partition
[12:29] <synroda> hi all
[12:29] <synroda> can you help me
[12:29] <Inadaptado> ttedi: Did you let the installer to chose the partitions and such?
[12:29] <synroda> How do I can install emerald in ubuntu 11.10?
[12:30] <ghabit> Girly-Girl: highlight me please now.
[12:30] <ttedi> Inadaptado: yes, I let him automatically install into unpartitioned space
[12:30] <ghabit> I can hear music!
[12:30] <Girly-Girl> ghabit:
[12:30] <ttedi> Inadaptado: the e325 uses uefi, possibly that has to do with the problem
[12:30] <oxymoron> as latest release dropbox does not work at all as well. Not sure why, but I get permission error all the time even though I did chown on my dropbox folder.
[12:30] <ghabit> Girly-Girl: now I can hear amarok, but cannot hear quassel ^(
[12:30] <Inadaptado> It could be, yes
[12:30] <oxymoron> ghabit: Do you manage to get sound work?
[12:31] <ghabit> Hm. Now I have all the sounds!
[12:31] <ghabit> ^)
[12:31] <Girly-Girl> ghabit: quassel only makes noice when inactive
[12:31] <ghabit> oxymoron: yep.
[12:31] <ghabit> I have it working now
[12:31] <OerHeks> !emerald
[12:31] <oxymoron> ghabit: What did you do? I do not get it work at all ::S
[12:32] <eristikophiles> ok well, fortunately my netbook is set up with a data partition that holds nearly all the important stuff, and i copied over the few essential files that weren't on there already from /home
[12:32] <eristikophiles> so i should be ok now
[12:32] <eristikophiles> rebooting
[12:32] <BluesKaj> oxymoron, did you remove pulseaudio ?
[12:32] <ghabit> oxymoron: well, actually sound now is 'noisy'
[12:32] <ghabit> I think some software problem
[12:32] <ghabit> looks like software mixing is bad.
[12:32] <spacebug-> where can I found new skins for the "analog clock widget"? And hod do I install them?
[12:33] <oxymoron> BluesKaj: Yeah.
[12:33] <BluesKaj> when
[12:33] <ghabit> Also I cannot setup my 5.1. sound system
[12:33] <oxymoron> ghabit: I do not get any sound at all :S using Intel HDA card.
[12:33] <eristikophiles> ..ok, it's loaded up seemingly ok. kde starting up
[12:33] <Inadaptado> spacebug-: opendesktop.org
[12:34] <oxymoron> How do I restore to 11.04?
[12:34] <spacebug-> Inadaptado: thx
[12:34] <oxymoron> rollback all sound things.
[12:34] <Girly-Girl> spacebug-: kde-look.org .... also in System Settings, workspace appearance plasma themes there is a downloader built in kde
[12:35] <Girly-Girl> oxymoron: You cannot
[12:35] <ghabit> Where the software installer @ kubuntu?
[12:35] <Inadaptado> It is Muon now, ghabit
[12:36] <BluesKaj> oxymoron, ,did it ever occur to you to do some research on your own ...you might find it very educational , instead of ranting in here whenever you have a problem
[12:36] <ghabit> Inadaptado: thx!
[12:36] <Inadaptado> There's a package installer and a software centre. I'm not quite fond of either
[12:36] <ghabit> Hm, ubuntu's one is better ^)
[12:37] <ghabit> last question. How to make kubuntu not default OS @ grub?
[12:37] <oxymoron> BluesKaj: Yeah, I google all the time ;)
[12:38] <Inadaptado> Well, you'll have to edit GRUB
[12:38] <eristikophiles> yay! it's working and i'm back online
[12:38] <Girly-Girl> eristikophiles: Good
[12:38] <eristikophiles> ok so, best thing now would be sudo apt-get i guess?
[12:38] <eristikophiles> or run dpkg first?
[12:38] <eristikophiles> --configure -a?
[12:38] <Girly-Girl> eristikophiles: sudo apt-get install -f"
[12:39] <eristikophiles> ok
[12:39] <spacebug-> Girly-Girl: tnx
[12:39] <BluesKaj> oxymoron, which backend in phonon,?
[12:39] <Girly-Girl> eristikophiles: sudo apt-get install "flashplugin-downloader flashplugin-installer"
[12:40] <oxymoron> BluesKaj: I am not lazy and just sit here and wait for all the answers. I ask as I cannot found anything on google as the problem is to new for any solutions on google ...
[12:40] <eristikophiles> install -f didn't have to do anything ,finished clean
[12:40] <oxymoron> BluesKaj: Currently gstreamer.
[12:40] <Girly-Girl> eristikophiles: then finally sudo apt-get dist-upgrade and "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[12:40] <oxymoron> BluesKaj: and now I completly removed all pulseaudio from computer.
[12:40] <oxymoron> BluesKaj: I want to use Xine as backend in phonon, but I cannot.
[12:40] <BluesKaj> !intelhda | oxymoron
[12:41] <eristikophiles> yeah it's working now
[12:41] <spacebug-> loading providers failed :(
[12:41] <eristikophiles> installing all manner of junk lol
[12:41] <burazrock> problem with my graphica card.. i have a geforce g105m.after installation some effect works fine automatically,suddenly i activate proprietary drivers and then i turned on advanced effects. at right of screen instanctly opens a window of error and a list of effects that cannot apply..and also after GRUB doesn't appear "kubuntu" but only blue horizontal lines...what i can do?
[12:41] <eristikophiles> (after the flashplugin command) .. and btw, those " broke it :)
[12:41] <eristikophiles> it only works without them
[12:42] <oxymoron> BluesKaj: I apparently use "Conexant CX20588" as codec? :S
[12:43] <BluesKaj> it's not a real audio codec '
[12:43] <eristikophiles> ok, flash installed
[12:43] <Girly-Girl> oxymoron: type this in terminal as it is "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-audio-dev/ppa; sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get dist-upgrade; sudo apt-get install linux-sound-base alsa-base alsa-utils linux-image-`uname -r` linux-alsa-driver-modules-$(uname -r) libasound2; sudo apt-get -y --reinstall install linux-sound-base alsa-base alsa-utils linux-image-`uname -r` linux-alsa-driver-modules-$(uname -r)  libasound2; killall pulseaudio; rm -r ~/.pulse*"
[12:44] <Inadaptado> burazrock:  Nvidia drivers do not always support advanced effects. About GRUB, it happened to me at first, but after a few reboots it fixed itself
[12:44] <oxymoron> Girly-Girl: Wowo, where did you find that command? :O
[12:44] <Girly-Girl> oxymoron: I made it
[12:45] <eristikophiles> Girly-Girl- ok, so, i did the dist-upgrade one, didn't touch any packages. the kubuntu-desktop one did likewise, saying "the installed desktop is the latest version"
[12:45] <burazrock> Inadaptado the problem is that after installation some effects works (with standard drivers) but now,after activate and deactivate does't work nothing...
[12:45] <Girly-Girl> eristikophiles: Ok its fine then ... check your kde version should be 4.7.1
[12:45] <oxymoron> Girly-Girl: Uhm, did work to add ubuntu-audio-dev? Source does not exist when updating.
[12:46] <oxymoron> Girly-Girl: Ambigous, kudos to yuo :)
[12:47] <dnivra> hello. I am using kubuntu 11.10-upgraded from 11.04 on a sony vaio laptop recently. My touchpad isn't working. How can I make it work? It worked fine in the previous version..
[12:47] <eristikophiles> ok, this is odd. i ran the muon software center.. under the installed software part, i search for zsh (noticed it was missing when i scanned the scroll) and it's not there. but of course i can see man zsh in terminal, and i'm running zsh :)
[12:47] <eristikophiles> lol
[12:47] <BluesKaj> burazrock, what nvidia card and which driver ?
[12:47] <Inadaptado> burazrock: I couldn't say then. Nonetheless, I couldn't use advanced effects at all on the previous version
[12:47] <eristikophiles> and yeah KDE is 4.7.1
[12:48] <yofel> eristikophiles: zsh is not an application - thus it won't show up in the SC, use the package manager
[12:48] <eristikophiles> yeah i was curious what the difference would be
[12:48] <BluesKaj> bur nm the card , i see itt now , but which driver
[12:48] <eristikophiles> it appears it's as i suspected. the package manager is the real thing, the "software center" is for noobs
[12:48] <BluesKaj> burazrock,^
[12:48] <yofel> eristikophiles: well, in short, yes
[12:49] <Girly-Girl> oxymoron: Try this then "sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get dist-upgrade; sudo apt-get install linux-sound-base alsa-base alsa-utils linux-image-`uname -r` linux-alsa-driver-modules-$(uname -r) libasound2; sudo apt-get -y --reinstall install linux-sound-base alsa-base alsa-utils linux-image-`uname -r` linux-alsa-driver-modules-$(uname -r)  libasound2; killall pulseaudio; rm -r ~/.pulse*"
[12:49] <Inadaptado> I just remembered, when I tried to upgrade Apper was also installed, but not in the fresh installation
[12:49] <eristikophiles> why must they do this?
[12:49] <eristikophiles> i guess maybe so people can't break their installs. but.. *shrug*
[12:49] <burazrock> BluesKaj: nvidia geforce g105m and drivers about 280
[12:50] <BluesKaj> burazrock,is that your nvidia-current  version ?
[12:50] <eristikophiles> ok so, while googling earlier i ran across some mention of a package that helps cut down on CPU usage and such
[12:50] <eristikophiles> anyone know what that is?
[12:50] <eristikophiles> (i'd like to use it on this ol' i386 box)
[12:51] <Inadaptado> That rings a bell
[12:51] <Girly-Girl> eristikophiles: kubuntu-low-fat-settings
[12:51] <burazrock> BluesKaj: i tried to activate nvidia current and also driver post release
[12:51] <Inadaptado> Oh, yeah, that, I saw it yesterday. Anybody knows if it works?
[12:51] <eristikophiles> ahh yes
[12:51] <eristikophiles> thanks
[12:51] <eristikophiles> i couldn't re-find it
[12:51] <eristikophiles> lol
[12:51] <FloodBotK2> eristikophiles: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[12:51] <FloodBotK1> eristikophiles: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[12:52] <Inadaptado> Wow, you pissed both floodbots
[12:52] <jamil_1> yofel here is the http://paste.ubuntu.com/709419/ after I installed kde debug package
[12:52] <BluesKaj> tried , burazrock ? the nvidia should have auto updated during the upgrade
[12:52] <eristikophiles> i like muon already
[12:53] <eristikophiles> it's like synaptic but for kde XD
[12:53] <Inadaptado> It still needs some workaround
[12:53] <burazrock> BluesKaj: i installed fresh
[12:53] <BluesKaj> eristikophiles, I still prefer synaptic as a reference
[12:53] <jamil_1> bbiab
[12:54] <BluesKaj> burazrock, did you use jockey to install the "recommended driver"
[12:54] <BluesKaj> ?
[12:54] <burazrock> BluesKaj: i think yes..the program that is in start if you write driver
[12:55] <Girly-Girl> oxymoron: Sorted?
[12:55] <Inadaptado> In my installation there are two Nvidia drivers, a 'post-updates' version and a 'current' version. Related?
[12:56] <oxymoron> BluesKaj: Several time something asks me that sound card is detected removed, should I permently forget it. I say yes, could that affect and why and how?
[12:56] <oxymoron> Girly-Girl: No unfortunatly not :/
[12:56] <oxymoron> Girly-Girl: This time though I get a list of all available units in settings for sound card :P
[12:57] <Cenbe> Is there a way to reduce the transparency of widgets? I find this distracting: http://lyonlabs.org/transparency.png
[12:58] <eristikophiles> i uninstalled synaptic. muon does exactly what i used it for. :)
[12:58] <Inadaptado> Install a different theme, Cenbe
[12:59] <oxymoron> The most annoying is that I have no control of what system does with config files. Seems like it broke itself by removing things.
[12:59] <Girly-Girl> Cenbe: Use a differnent plasma theme
[12:59] <eristikophiles> hm. how do i actually config the low-fat stuff?
[12:59] <Inadaptado> Cenbe: I use Slim Glow. Still transparent, but not that much
[13:00] <eristikophiles> ugh. transparency drives me nuts. i prefer opaque backgrounds. preferably black, or at least dark.
[13:00] <eristikophiles> if i could get everything to be amber on black, i'd be happy (but only some apps, like xchat here, can do it)
[13:00] <BluesKaj> oxymoron, that depends on whether you want to use pulseaudio , because alsa is driver and it sees all those options , whereas with pulseaudio you probly just see the pulseaudio soundserver link to the driver , which is usually only 1  or 2 options
[13:01] <Girly-Girl> eristikophiles: "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-low-fat-settings"
[13:01] <eristikophiles> Girly-Girl- i already used muon to install it
[13:01] <Inadaptado> I'm kind of disappointed on Oneiric artwork. Really don't like the icons.
[13:01] <eristikophiles> i mean like, is there a config. apropos low-fat returns nothing
[13:01] <Girly-Girl> eristikophiles: That's it
[13:02] <eristikophiles> oh
[13:02] <Girly-Girl> eristikophiles: No its a bunch of settings, re login and it will take effect ... an additional boost run "oxygen-settings" and disable animations
[13:02] <eristikophiles> i already have animations off
[13:02] <eristikophiles> :)
[13:02] <oxymoron> Then I wonder if someone can explain why HDMI only works when I am not in desktop environment? :S It works on boot process, even before computers screen output :O
[13:03] <eristikophiles> anyway i'm not using oxygen at all
[13:03] <eristikophiles> i use a theme called tragedy
[13:03] <Inadaptado> I think I'm gonna keep it full fat, it's not like I'm using my graphic card for anything else
[13:03] <eristikophiles> some goth no doubt named it (it's based on a black-bg)
[13:03] <Girly-Girl> oxymoron: Can't you do a fresh install
[13:03] <oxymoron> It worked one time, then I rebooted when HDMI was in. Then after the boot it works in boot process, but when reached login screen it does not work anymore :S
[13:03] <tspg> some one got probrelms with  the new version and phpmyadmin???
[13:03] <oxymoron> Girly-Girl: Sure i guess, it just take to long time :/
[13:04] <Inadaptado> Not longer than its taking you do this, oxymoron
[13:04] <Inadaptado> it's
[13:04] <Girly-Girl> oxymoron: Backup your home folder, documents, desktop, pictures, videos and paste them back
[13:04] <BluesKaj> oxymoron, pastebin your alsamixer settings
[13:04] <oxymoron> Inadaptado: Not install process, but to download to USB stick, backup all data etc.
[13:05] <oxymoron> BluesKaj: Where is the alsamixer settings?
[13:05] <tspg> some one got probrelms with  the new version and phpmyadmin? thx
[13:05] <Inadaptado> You can do it in an hour (well, depending on how much you have on the Home folder, of course)
[13:05] <oxymoron> Girly-Girl: Yeah I guess it goes faster, I do not have anything else todo today anyway xD
[13:05] <eristikophiles> Girly-Girl- you've been really helpful btw, thanks a lot
[13:05] <eristikophiles> (and others too)
[13:06]  * Inadaptado bows at Girly-Girl and BluesKaj
[13:06] <oxymoron> Inadaptado: Not much in home folder really. It just is so anooying to reinstall eclipse with all settings, remember all apps I installed, fix wine again etc.
[13:06] <BluesKaj> oxymoron, in the terminal type , alsamixer
[13:06] <Inadaptado> oxymoron: Point taken
[13:07] <oxymoron> Inadaptado: But sure I can do it. I just hate that I need to do it every single time I upgrade to "stable" version.
[13:08] <Inadaptado> To be honest, I wasn't planning to do a fresh install... until I noticed I had no sound :D
[13:08] <oxymoron> Inadaptado: Other OSes at least make a backup of everything, EVEN app data and settings. Then upgrade it, then put verything back WITHOUT any config complications.
[13:08] <oxymoron> Inadaptado: lol
[13:08] <BluesKaj> oxymoron, ?
[13:08] <oxymoron> BluesKaj: Yes I am in alsamixer, then? system info?
[13:09] <Girly-Girl> !lol | oxymoron
[13:09] <BluesKaj> oxymoron, screen shot . and pastebin
[13:10] <oxymoron> BluesKaj: http://wstaw.org/m/2011/10/16/plasma-desktopDj1638.jpg
[13:10] <larsivi> kmail seems to be broken after the update - anyone know/seen anything?
[13:10] <larsivi> *broken for me
[13:11] <Girly-Girl> larsivi: As in migrate fails?
[13:11] <Girly-Girl> larsivi: http://bit.ly/o841iy
[13:11] <larsivi> Girly-Girl: started with that, yes
[13:11] <oxymoron> Yeah, seem to be a lot of broken things. Is anyone test releases before releasing them? :S If something not work, remove the new thing and stick with the old.
[13:11] <BluesKaj> oxymoron, your speaker out put ctle is muted "M" , use the "M" key to unmute it.
[13:12] <oxymoron> BluesKaj: Youre kidding? :D
[13:12] <BluesKaj> notkidding
[13:12] <oxymoron> BluesKaj: Or which channel you mean is muted?
[13:12] <Inadaptado> When I tried to upgrade I got an error message every time I logged in, asking me for an email account I never set
[13:13] <BluesKaj> did you not know about the Mute ? ,..the speaker control, oxymoron
[13:13] <OerHeks> MM = muted, 00 is open
[13:13] <oxymoron> BluesKaj: No mute on the PCM as Kmix do not show muted. But spekaer muted i didnt now.
[13:14] <BluesKaj> oxymoron, did you unmute it ?
[13:14] <eristikophiles> lulz. apologies but that is hilarious (that the sound was just muted) .. i've been there too (similar issues)
[13:14] <eristikophiles> ..anyway, time to reboot this box for the low-fat goodness
[13:14] <oxymoron> BluesKaj: lol yes, now it seems to work :S
[13:14] <oxymoron> BluesKaj: Seriously I have never muted the speaker.
[13:15]  * Girly-Girl is litterally rolling on the floor laughing
[13:15] <oxymoron> OerHeks: yes I know that mm is muted ;)
[13:15]  * BluesKaj should have asked about this before ...dunno why some ctrls are muted by default after upgrades , but that is the case with some cards
[13:16] <Inadaptado> Lunch time. Later.
[13:16] <oxymoron> master always was umuted, as I thought was main thing. Speaker muted though, which Kmix and so never shown me.
[13:16] <oxymoron> BluesKaj: If I know that before I would have noticed earlier :P
[13:16] <BluesKaj> oxymoron, always check alsamixer after an upgrade ...it's not your fault
[13:16] <Girly-Girl> BluesKaj: oxymoron Mine was mutted after a fresh install ...  ALC audio though ... Speaker was muted , main was on and headphone was on
[13:17] <oxymoron> BluesKaj: Alright, well good to know :) Hopefully nothing is broken after everything with alsa-base config, modprobe and purging pulseaudio.
[13:17] <BluesKaj> Girly-Girl, yup, I encountered this with my other linuxbox, the linout was muted
[13:18] <oxymoron> Girly-Girl: Well I noticed main/master was muted, as you notice in right bottom corner with kmix. But that does not take in counter that spekaer is muted. Checked alsamixer several times, but never accoruage to me that speaker was muted :P
[13:18] <oxymoron> Next problem, HDMI video output :D
[13:18] <BluesKaj> oxymoron, if you have probs without pulseaudio , then just reinstall it
[13:18] <oxymoron> BluesKaj: Seems to work now without it and I never needed pulseaudio, so better not to have it I guess :D
[13:19] <BluesKaj> oxymoron, ok good
[13:19] <jamil_1> why is my wireless tab disabled in Netwrok Connections ? http://imagebin.org/179307
[13:19] <Girly-Girl> BluesKaj: oxymoron: Not installing pulseaudio now migh cause issues on the next upgrade, better put it back
[13:20] <oxymoron> Girly-Girl: Why?
[13:20] <tolkach> well, the netbook (this is eristik) is working fine now
[13:20] <BluesKaj> Girly-Girl, i doubt that , since PA is installed by default during upgrade to the new OS
[13:21] <Girly-Girl> jamil_1: In the network manager plasmoid, in the tray uncheck and check the "enable wireless option"
[13:22] <larsivi> Girly-Girl: thanks
[13:22] <oxymoron> Anyway, thanks for all help, BluesKaj, Girly-Girl :) I am a pain in the ass sometimes :D
[13:23] <Girly-Girl> !language | oxymoron
[13:23] <BluesKaj> oxymoron, remember , always check alsamixer first :)
[13:23] <oxymoron> Now I just want to know why KDe does not send any HDMI signal to my TV device in the desktop. Though HDMI works as said multiple times already, when not in KDE.
[13:23] <oxymoron> BluesKaj: Will do :)
[13:23] <eristikophiles> alright, back up..
[13:23] <eristikophiles> so hopefully low-fat is running now
[13:23] <oxymoron> Girly-Girl: I can type pita next time ;)
[13:23] <eristikophiles> (i did a full reboot)
[13:24] <BluesKaj> oxymoron, check you hdmi ctrl in alsamixer :)
[13:24] <Girly-Girl> eristikophiles: Disable desktop effects too if you find them slow
[13:25] <eristikophiles> i had most of them off before
[13:25] <eristikophiles> unless it randomly re-enables them
[13:25] <oxymoron> BluesKaj: Well the sound isnt the problem, it is the video output.
[13:26] <GirlyGirl> oxymoron: What graphic card is this?
[13:26] <oxymoron> GirlyGirl: Intel HD 3000 I think, latest integrated one.
[13:27] <oxymoron> GirlyGirl: it works on boots and reboots, when I am not inside KDE, HDMI video works ... Then it worked ONE TIME inside KDE. but when I rebooted it didnt work anymore :(
[13:27] <GirlyGirl> oxymoron: Plug it in, System Settings > Display and Monitors
[13:27] <oxymoron> GirlyGirl: First time EVER I got HDMI working in Kubuntu.
[13:27] <oxymoron> GirlyGirl: yes, been there done that. HDMI clones my first display LSDVP1
[13:27] <eristikophiles> hm. says nepomuk indexing agents have been disabled.
[13:27] <eristikophiles> that's just file-search stuff right?
[13:28] <oxymoron> GirlyGirl: Share outputs doesnt work
[13:28] <GirlyGirl> oxymoron: What does the multiple monitors screen show
[13:28] <oxymoron> GirlyGirl: That HDMI should be on top of my laptops sreen. It is like all otputs goes to laptop screen
[13:29] <oxymoron> HDMI on top of LSDVP1.
[13:29] <oxymoron> If I identy outputs, HDMI1 and LSDVP1 shows both on laptop screen, even thoguh HDMi should be cloned of LVDSP1
[13:30] <GirlyGirl> oxymoron: You want an extended desktop or a clone?
[13:31] <oxymoron> GirlyGirl: I want same picture on both TV and laptop. When watch movie it doesnt matter, as long as I see picture on TV.
[13:31] <oxymoron> Which should be main output, should they share output etc?
[13:32] <george__> hello. I've updated to kubuntu 11.10 and it was fine, but today, for some reason, sound stopped working! Help, please?
[13:33] <jamil_1> GirlyGirl: I have just added the network management plasmoid in the panle
[13:33] <jamil_1> *panel
[13:33] <jamil_1> but it is an ugly red cross
[13:34] <BluesKaj> jamil_1, wifi or ethernet?
[13:34] <jamil_1> wifi
[13:34] <jamil_1> BluesKaj: I currently connect from terminal
[13:35] <jamil_1> sudo wpa_supplicant -Dwext -iwlan0 -cwpa.conf && dhclient wlan0
[13:37] <BluesKaj> jamil_1, ok , that string looks right with wpa_supplicant  ...whynot just use it in a script in startup & shautdown
[13:37] <jamil_1> BluesKaj: before upgrade I didn't have to anything and it just worked why now ?
[13:37] <jamil_1> *do
[13:37] <BluesKaj> damn network manager interferes with wpa_supplicant akfaik
[13:38] <jamil_1> also I think issue is not that simple
[13:38] <BluesKaj> jamil_1, why NM ?
[13:38] <mneptok> BluesKaj: because New Mexico rocks!
[13:39] <oxymoron> Hmm it seems like my HDMI cable glitched ...
[13:39] <george__> anyone?
[13:39] <oxymoron> But last thing is that the sound should be on HDMI now, not on my PC, how to fix?
[13:40] <BluesKaj> ok jamil_1 , I used wpa_supplicant for a while as well, but I didn't have NM installed ...thast was in 10.04 tho ..things may have changed since .
[13:40] <yofel> jamil_1: if you _can_ use wpa_supplicant that means network-manager isn't running
[13:40] <yofel> and the plasma applet needs it
[13:41] <jamil_1> yofel: yup
[13:41] <jamil_1> here is my dmesg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/709678/
[13:41] <jamil_1> you can see many instances of killing and spawning of network manager
[13:42] <BluesKaj> oxymoron, like I said earlier, did you check HDMI Ctrl in alsamixer ?
[13:42] <oxymoron> BluesKaj: There is not HDMI Ctrl in alsamixer?
[13:42] <jamil_1> also the crash report I get after every restart: http://paste.ubuntu.com/709419/
[13:43] <BluesKaj> oxymoron, in alsamixer , F5 . that shows all ctrls
[13:43] <yofel> jamil_1: what are the permissions on /usr/sbin/NetworkManager ?
[13:45] <jamil_1> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 863512 2011-10-07 01:09 /usr/sbin/NetworkManager
[13:45] <yofel> hm, that's fine..
[13:46] <oxymoron> BluesKaj: I changed volume on HDMI, nothing changes. Only hear sound on speakers in laptop.
[13:46] <yofel> jamil_1: anything more descriptive in /var/log/syslog?
[13:47] <BluesKaj> oxymoron, I see your auto-mute is enabled in alsamixer , disable it
[13:48] <oxymoron> BluesKaj: how to disable it? :)
[13:48] <BluesKaj> the up and down arrow keys
[13:48] <jamil_1> yofel: Oct 16 18:27:59 jamil-laptop kernel: [   46.012566] init: network-manager main process (1408) terminated with status 127
[13:49] <oxymoron> BluesKaj: Not sure, but now it seems it play on both laptop and TV :D
[13:49] <oxymoron> BluesKaj: Nope, just laptop still.
[13:50] <oxymoron> gah its so close
[13:50] <yofel> jamil_1: what do you get when you run 'sudo NetworkManager' ?
[13:50] <BluesKaj> oxymoron, is the hdmi outputs listed in phonon devices
[13:51] <jamil_1> yofel: Failed to read classid file: Object not found
[13:51] <oxymoron> BluesKaj: Yes I tried that, but when testing it it plays HDMI output on laptop :P
[13:51] <yofel> jamil_1: can you reinstall network-manager and try again?
[13:51] <oxymoron> BluesKaj: Maybe install pulseaudio again? :D
[13:51] <BluesKaj> oxymoron, wait
[13:52] <zeltak> hya guys. i have some rules for specific apps to open in specific desktops. does anyone know how to make a rule for all other aps with no rules to open in the first desktop?
[13:54] <jamil_1> yofel: same error even after reinstalling
[13:54] <BluesKaj> oxymoron, did you try s/pdif output to the tv , are there coax or toslink connections on the laptoip and tv ?
[13:54] <oxymoron> BluesKaj: Nope, only HDMI.
[13:55] <BluesKaj> ok try pulseaudio , but install pavucontrol too
[13:56] <oxymoron> BluesKaj: Sure ;)
[13:58]  * BluesKaj is not a PA fan but has to use it for webaudio content , otherwise I can live without it .
[13:59] <george__> Don't know if that helps, but audio was working fine apter the update, but it has just stopped working this morning...
[13:59] <yofel> jamil_1: and that's all you get?
[13:59] <jamil_1> yofel: yup
[13:59] <fabien> hello
[13:59]  * GirlyGirl has never had any issues with pulseaudio since lucid and up
[14:00] <yofel> jamil_1: and after you run sudo NetworkManger, 'echo $?' returns 127?
[14:00] <BluesKaj> george__, check alsamixer in the terminal , you may ahve mute "M" turned on
[14:00] <jamil_1> yofel: not its 0
[14:00] <oxymoron> BluesKaj: I cannot change devices in pavucontrol, doesnt find any
[14:00] <yofel> ...
[14:01] <yofel> jamil_1: what does 'sudo service network-manager start' say?
[14:01] <oxymoron> BluesKaj: Yeah now it works :D
[14:01] <jamil_1> yofel: it says: network-manager start/running, process 5285
[14:01] <BluesKaj> GirlyGirl, PA is a soundserver that's required for some cards to work / link webaudio to alsa ...dunno why flash audio doesn't link to alsa like it's designed to
[14:02] <yofel> jamil_1: any errors at the bottom of dmesg now?
[14:02] <oxymoron> BluesKaj: I though need to change it manually in pavucontrol. Shouldnt hdmi automaticly change to both hdmi output and audio output?
[14:02] <BluesKaj> i still think phonon is half baked as well
[14:02] <jamil_1> yofel: [ 2050.093482] init: network-manager main process (5339) terminated with status 127
[14:03] <jamil_1> and
[14:03] <jamil_1> [ 2050.093512] init: network-manager respawning too fast, stopped
[14:03] <BluesKaj> oxymoron, dunno , sorry
[14:03] <yofel> wth...
[14:03] <george__> BluesKaj: Thanks! It was just like you've said. But I feel stupid for being so easy to solve it. Anyway, I didn't change anything, how it was mute in the first place?
[14:03] <yofel> jamil_1: try to purge nm and installing it again
[14:03] <GirlyGirl> jamil_1: Are permissions correct on network-manager?
[14:03] <jamil_1> GirlyGirl: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 863512 2011-10-07 01:09 /usr/sbin/NetworkManager
[14:03] <yofel> GirlyGirl: on /usr/sbin/NetworkManager yes
[14:04] <darthanubis> anyone noticing miro crashing amarok just by starting miro?
[14:04] <oxymoron> BluesKaj: anyway thanks :) Now it at least work, even if it doesnt work good, it works :P
[14:04] <jamil_1> yofel: purging.....
[14:04] <BluesKaj> george__, for some reason the devs in their infinite wisdom choose to have alsa muted when a new OS is installed
[14:07] <george__> BluesKaj: I see. Well, thanks anyway. Maybe that should be rethink, or at least users should be warned. There a lot of users, specially the new ones,  that doesn't even know irc exists.
[14:07] <GirlyGirl> jamil_1: sudo dpkg-reconfigure network-manager
[14:07]  * yofel never had sound muted after install...
[14:07] <BluesKaj> george__, np , hope you enjoy kubuntu:)
[14:08] <jamil_1> GirlyGirl: currently purging and reinstalling network-manager
[14:08] <george__> BluesKaj: Enjoying since 2010 ;)
[14:09]  * GirlyGirl always has only PCM muted  after installs on one particular PC
[14:09] <jamil_1> yofel: done purging and installing
[14:09] <yofel> still erroring outß
[14:09] <yofel> ?
[14:10] <jamil_1> yofel: should I sude NetworkManager ?
[14:10] <yofel> nope, start the service
[14:10] <jamil_1> *sudo
[14:11] <jamil_1> yofel: network-manager start/running, process 6905
[14:11] <yofel> and dmesg?
[14:11] <jamil_1> yofel: echo $? is 0
[14:11] <jamil_1> yofel: dmesg: [ 2601.097829] init: network-manager main process (6963) terminated with status 127
[14:11] <jamil_1> [ 2601.097859] init: network-manager respawning too fast, stopped
[14:12] <yofel> GirlyGirl: any ideas? ^
[14:12] <GirlyGirl> jamil_1: This is a fresh install?
[14:13] <jamil_1> GirlyGirl: nope, upgrade
[14:13] <jamil_1> GirlyGirl: Everything was working fine before
[14:16] <GirlyGirl> jamil_1: What network card driver does it use
[14:17] <jamil_1> GirlyGirl: for wireless ?
[14:17] <jamil_1> GirlyGirl: ath5k
[14:18] <jamil_1> and I guess r8169 for ethernet
[14:20] <jamil_1> GirlyGirl: I dont think driver is the issue
[14:21] <jamil_1> GirlyGirl: most probably some old library lurking somewhere
[14:21] <GirlyGirl> jamil_1: I found a similar bug on launchpad for r8178 module
[14:21] <yofel> hm, now I'm only guessing, but anything in /etc/network/interfaces ?
[14:21] <Valerie> hello
[14:22] <jamil_1> yofel: /etc/network/interfaces contains:
[14:22] <jamil_1> auto lo
[14:22] <jamil_1> iface lo inet loopback
[14:22] <GirlyGirl> jamil_1: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/83013 see the comments ... but its a very old report
[14:22] <yofel> jamil_1: ok, nothing unusual then
[14:23] <jamil_1> GirlyGirl: I have RTL8101E/RTL8102E for ethernet
[14:23] <darthanubis> anyone want to try to reporduce a bug for me?
[14:23] <KillJoy> kubuntu oneric its vry very good kubuntu distro
[14:24] <jamil_1> darthanubis: sure though bewarned I my version already has too many bugs
[14:24] <darthanubis> Thats cool
[14:24] <darthanubis> Starting Miro while Amarok has DAAP extention enabled crashes Amarok
[14:24] <darthanubis> Install Miro
[14:25] <jamil_1> darthanubis: I have miro but it doesn't run for another reason :P
[14:25] <darthanubis> have amaraok running, playing nothing, just running, and have the daap extention enabled
[14:25] <GirlyGirl> jamil_1: Could you test a live cd and check if the same nm issue persists in live session?
[14:25] <darthanubis> jamil_1: does it crash or just not start at all? And did you every have it instal before? Is this a clean install?
[14:26] <GirlyGirl> Saddly broken upgrades are a problem for all varriants every release
[14:27] <jamil_1> GirlyGirl: I dont have a liveCD around but I am pretty sure culprit is the upgrade to 11.10
[14:28] <jamil_1> darthanubis: check this http://paste.ubuntu.com/709748/
[14:28] <GirlyGirl> jamil_1: sudo dpkg-reconfigure network-manager
[14:28] <darthanubis> jamil_1: thats all you get?
[14:29] <jamil_1> darthanubis: yup
[14:29] <darthanubis> jamil_1: is that a clean install?
[14:30] <jamil_1> darthanubis: oops I missed some stuff
[14:30] <Kottizen> hi, where's the Software Center in Kubuntu 11.10? I know I can install "kpackagekit" and get it, but has it moved or something?
[14:31] <darthanubis> Kottizen: it is now muon, its in the menu
[14:31] <GirlyGirl> Kottizen: its called muon
[14:32] <jamil_1> darthanubis: no its very old install
[14:32] <Kottizen> oh I see, thank you
[14:32] <Kottizen> why is that btw?
[14:32] <Kottizen> (found it)
[14:32] <darthanubis> jamil_1: backup and delete ~./miro
[14:32] <jamil_1> GirlyGirl: dpkg-reconfigure has not apparent effect
[14:32] <jamil_1> darthanubis: here is the complete error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/709755/
[14:33] <darthanubis> jamil_1: backup and delete ~./miro
[14:34] <jamil_1> darthanubis: here you go: http://paste.ubuntu.com/709758/
[14:34] <darthanubis> jamil_1: backup and delete ~./miro
[14:34] <jamil_1> darthanubis: after rm -rf ~/.miro
[14:35] <darthanubis> sorry
[14:35] <darthanubis> jamil_1: looks like we are getting somewhere
[14:36] <jamil_1> darthanubis: really ?
[14:36] <jamil_1> darthanubis: I have been at the same place for last 2-3 days
[14:36] <jamil_1> :)
[14:36] <Valerie_> Just upgraded to 11.10.   Can't get emails using KMail.    I think it hasn't got my password.  Can't find where to put it even though I have been into settings..      Can anybody help me?
[14:37] <darthanubis> jamil_1: everything looks good until it tries to load the themes
[14:37] <GirlyGirl> Valerie_: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FAQ
[14:37] <GirlyGirl> Valerie_:  sorry http://bit.ly/o841iy
[14:39] <jamil_1> darthanubis: hmm...
[14:39] <Valerie_> Thank you GirlyGirl.    I weill try that.      Little bit of a novice.    Sometimes don't understand the answers on those sites
[14:40] <GirlyGirl> Valerie_: 11.10 has a new version of kmail that has issues with migration from the old
[14:40] <Valerie_> So I have discovered.    I got a message to say to it manually .
[14:40] <Valerie_> do it I mean
[14:41] <darthanubis> jamil_1: what version of miro is that?
[14:41] <jamil_1> darthanubis: Miro (3.5.1)
[14:42] <darthanubis> jamil_1: update that version
[14:42] <darthanubis> the latest is 4.03
[14:42] <darthanubis> jamil_1: what version of Kubuntu are you on?
[14:42] <jamil_1> darthanubis: 11.10
[14:42] <jamil_1> darthanubis: I haven't used miro in a while
[14:43] <darthanubis> jamil_1: 11.10 has miro 4.03 by default
[14:43] <jamil_1> darthanubis: because it doesn't support proxy nor does uses the native DE's proxy settings
[14:43] <darthanubis> I don't understand how your system is 11.10 but miro is the old version?
[14:43] <jamil_1> darthanubis: hmm....magic of upgrade
[14:43] <darthanubis> jamil_1: sudo aptitude update
[14:44] <darthanubis> or sudo apt0get update
[14:44] <darthanubis> or sudo apt-get update
[14:44] <darthanubis> jamil_1: then do a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[14:44] <darthanubis> your system is not fully upgraded me thinks
[14:44] <darthanubis> I hope you have a seperate /home partition?
[14:45] <jamil_1> darthanubis: it says: No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
[14:45] <darthanubis> wow
[14:45] <jamil_1> darthanubis: I wish I had separate /home :(
[14:45] <darthanubis> crap
[14:46] <darthanubis> ALWAYS have a seperate /home partition
[14:46] <darthanubis> at the least
[14:46] <jamil_1> darthanubis: very true
[14:46] <darthanubis> jamil_1: sudo apt-get purge miro
[14:46] <GirlyGirl> jamil_1: sudo apt-get purge miro
[14:46] <GirlyGirl> then install
[14:46] <darthanubis> right
[14:47] <jamil_1> you both are not same person right ?
[14:47] <jamil_1> :)
[14:47] <darthanubis> jamil_1: I'm now suspect of your repos? What package manager are you using?
[14:47] <jamil_1> darthanubis: none
[14:47] <darthanubis> jamil_1: she is just reading my mind and types faster
[14:47] <darthanubis> jamil_1: I'd go with synaptic
[14:47] <jamil_1> darthanubis: may be she is a bot :)
[14:48] <GirlyGirl> Verry funny
[14:48] <darthanubis> jamil_1: make sure your repos are in fact oneric
[14:48] <jamil_1> sudo apt-get purge miro says Package miro is not installed, so not removed
[14:48] <darthanubis> as I expected
[14:48] <GirlyGirl> jamil_1: the just "sudo apt-get install miro"
[14:48] <darthanubis> pastebin your /etc/apt/source.list
[14:49] <jamil_1> darthanubis: here it is: http://paste.ubuntu.com/709774/
[14:50] <darthanubis> looks good there
[14:51] <darthanubis> jamil_1: have you installed miro per GG?
[14:51] <jamil_1> darthanubis: doing so
[14:55] <GirlyGirl> jamil_1: Best way to pake sure it is clean, after install, do a purge then install again
[14:55] <darthanubis> GirlyGirl: how if the system does not know it is even installed. We just tried that?
[14:56] <GirlyGirl> darthanubis: I mean install it, then purge it, then install it again
[14:57] <darthanubis> I know, but what will that do for his 3.xx version? You think it will wipe it all?
[14:57] <GirlyGirl> darthanubis: yes they go in the same directory I think
[14:57] <Kottizen> when I plugged in my HDMI cable and preferred it over the internal speaker, I hear no sound and both Spotify and Amarok play all songs in 10x speed (by looking at the "jump to" bar) - how do I fix this?
[14:58] <Kottizen> in Kubuntu 11.04 there were no problems
[14:58] <darthanubis> Kottizen: is that an ATI card?
[14:58] <Kottizen> my graphics card?
[14:58] <darthanubis> sorry I thought your hdmi port was on the graphics card
[14:59] <Kottizen> oh, might be, I have no idea
[14:59] <Kottizen> this is a laptop - http://pastebin.com/p9dP7tuV
[14:59] <darthanubis> you're the second person I have seen report fast sound
[14:59] <jamil_1> srry my internet connecition is f**d up
[14:59] <Kottizen> oh
[14:59] <Kottizen> yeah I guess it's on my video card then
[14:59] <darthanubis> jamil_1: you got some serious issues over there my friend;)
[14:59] <darthanubis> Kottizen: ATI?
[14:59] <jamil_1> darthanubis: care to explain ?
[15:00] <Kottizen> darthanubis: yes
[15:00] <darthanubis> jamil_1: you say your upgrade is borked, internet connection...what else?
[15:00] <Kottizen> darthanubis: should I report it somewhere or has that already been done?
[15:01] <darthanubis> Kottizen: So you make case number two...I'm just trying to narrow it down. Try installing the ATI drivers. Configure your sound in the sound module in system preferences.
[15:01] <darthanubis> Kottizen: I'm not sure yet
[15:02] <Kottizen> darthanubis: I'll see if ATI has anything
[15:03] <darthanubis> Kottizen: you should be able to do it from within KDE
[15:03] <GirlyGirl> jamil_1: If you can do a fresh install, it might be wise... Ubuntu and varriants upgrade system is definitely not perfect (even windows has trouble sometimes) ... espescially when you use 3rd party repos chances of conflict is even greater
[15:03] <darthanubis> Kottizen: type jockey in the menu
[15:03] <Kottizen> there are two inactivated drivers according to "jockey-kde" - I'll activate one of them
[15:03] <darthanubis> Kottizen: there you go
[15:04] <Kottizen> darthanubis: anyone you can recommend, or should I guess? http://wstaw.org/m/2011/10/16/plasma-desktopNa1578.jpg
[15:04] <darthanubis> Kottizen: top one
[15:04] <Kottizen> ok, sec then
[15:05] <jamil_1> GirlyGirl: fresh install would be the last thing I'd do
[15:10] <jamil_1> bbiab
[15:12] <Kottizen> darthanubis: that solved it - cheers!
[15:12] <Kottizen> also you don't happen to know where in the settings I can make the fonts look smoother? I did it two years ago but I can't remember how
[15:16] <SunTsu> er, "do-release-upgrade" "No new release found" - I'm running Maverick, what could be broken? I'd finally would like to upgrade to natty and from there to oneiric
[15:16] <SunTsu> or should I be asking this on #ubuntu?
[15:17] <Kottizen> SunTsu: if possible, reinstall the whole system
[15:18] <SunTsu> Kottizen: I did some test-upgrades in vbox and it worked quite fine. The only thing that's stopping me is that do-release-upgrade doesn't think that there are new releases
[15:19] <Kottizen> SunTsu: go to the Upgrade Manager and try to see if "LTS only" is selected
[15:19] <Kottizen> if so, change that
[15:21] <dambrow> hello all need help
[15:21] <SunTsu> Kottizen: Thanks, I set it to "no upgrades"
[15:21] <SunTsu> OK, let's see if it works now
[15:21] <Kottizen> SunTsu: no, set it to the third option
[15:21] <Kottizen> not "no upgrades" nor "only LTSes"
[15:22] <Kottizen> dambrow: what's your question?
[15:22] <SunTsu> Kottizen: I mean "it was set to"
[15:22] <Kottizen> SunTsu: oh ok
[15:23] <dambrow> i have installed kubuntu but i have a problem with my lan connection it keeps saying that its connected then not then is and so on is there a driver i can download and install i dont have this problem with windows and normal ubuntu so why kubuntu
[15:24] <Kottizen> dambrow: press ALT + F2 and type: jockey-kde
[15:24] <dambrow> i am in windows atm
[15:24] <Kottizen> oh - are we talking about a wireless network connection or a wired network connection?
[15:25] <dambrow> wired
[15:26] <Kottizen> dambrow: do you get internet at all, for short periods of time?
[15:26] <dambrow> its a realtek PCIe gbe family controller if that help
[15:26] <dambrow> and no no internet at all
[15:26] <BluesKaj> dambrow, in the terminal , sudo dhclient eth0
[15:26] <Kottizen> I got a similar one, so that's odd
[15:27] <Kottizen> dambrow: have you made any changes to "Wired connection 1" (the default one)?
[15:27] <dambrow> well i changed it from dhcp to maual thinking that it was getting the wrong setting but even with the right settings it does the same thing
[15:28] <jamil_1> GirlyGirl: Well I had change of heart
[15:29] <jamil_1> GirlyGirl: may be I should do a fresh install
[15:29] <BluesKaj> dambrow, do you mean you disabled knetwork manager/
[15:29] <dambrow> no just dchp
[15:29] <dambrow> dhcp
[15:30] <BluesKaj> dambrow,you need dhcp with network manager to establish the connection to your router/modem
[15:31] <dambrow> but with that on it does the same thing no internet
[15:31] <jamil_1> how do you list all your partitions in terminal
[15:33] <BluesKaj> dambrow, can you run the command i posted earlier , sudo dhclient eth0 , that will give your pc an IP with the router.
[15:33] <GirlyGirl> jamil_1:  sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda
[15:33] <jamil_1> GirlyGirl: oh yes...thanks
[15:33] <dambrow> ok i be back in a min to report status
[15:34] <BluesKaj> right
[15:38] <jamil_1> where do chrome and firefox store user data ?
[15:38] <jamil_1> like bookmarks
[15:39] <mirrakor> probably in ~/.somethingsomething
[15:39] <mirrakor> jamil_1: I can look it up for you, for firefox, but unfortunately I don't have chrome
[15:40] <jamil_1> mirrakor: I'd appreciate it
[15:40] <mirrakor> jamil_1: ~/.mozilla/
[15:40] <DTrebacz> My upgrade to 11.10 failed, the only way I can get my machine to boot is to not load the 3.0 kernel. IS there a way to remove and rebuild the 3.0 kernel?
[15:40] <jamil_1> ok
[15:41] <jamil_1> DTrebacz: what happens if you boot 3.0
[15:42] <mirrakor> jamil_1: and it's sub dirs, for example bookmarks are in .mozilla/firefox/<yourprofile-consistingofaweirdstringwithlettersandnumbers>/bookmarksbackup/bookmarks*
[15:42] <jamil_1> right
[15:43] <licensed> my firefox it's too slow on kubuntu 11.10.. anybody haves same issue?
[15:43] <DTrebacz> I get a login screen afetr a very long time. Eventually KDE will create at least two crshes. If I drop to the terminal, I don't even have any network coneectivity.
[15:44] <Kottizen> in which file are the settings of Dolphin stored?
[15:44] <Peace-> licensed: here no
[15:44] <Peace-> Kottizen: for each user or only for the current user?
[15:45] <jamil_1> DTrebacz: why not post your dmesg and /var/log/syslog
[15:46] <Kottizen> Peace-: the bookmarks, but I found them, thanks :)
[15:47] <Peace-> Kottizen: btw here there is http://nowardev.wordpress.com/usefull-link-for-kubuntu-and-multimedia-stuff/setkubuntuproperly/
[15:48] <Kottizen> Peace-: nice thanks
[15:49] <GirlyGirl> DTrebacz: What graphic card is this?
[15:50] <merlin1991> can I select a different mirror for the kubuntu live installer somehow?
[15:51] <DTrebacz> Nvidia GeForce 6150LE
[15:52] <GirlyGirl> DTrebacz: Have you installed a binary driver from the nvidia website in the past?
[15:53] <DTrebacz> Yes I did a couple years ago. Since then I've been on the 280.13 driver from Ubunutu
[15:54] <GirlyGirl> DTrebacz: Reinstall the drivers and it should work fine
[15:54] <jcgs> Hi, what is adding a default panel supposed to do in plasma? For some reason it just causes plasma to crash on my system :(
[15:56] <BluesKaj> DTrebacz, the card uses the nvidia-current recommended driver in kmenu>apps>system>additional drivers
[15:57] <DTrebacz> BluesKaj, Yes I'm using nvidia-current now
[15:59] <BluesKaj> DTrebacz, the 3.0 kernel drops to a prompt ?
[16:03] <jcgs> merlin1991: I seem to remember you can, but I can't seem to be able to check
[16:03] <DTrebacz> BluesKaj, No it does eventually actually brings up a login screen. If I login KDE crashes. If I switch to TTY4 -my machine has no network communication.
[16:03] <jcgs> merlin1991: Why does it matter? do you have one relly nearby you wnat to use?
[16:04] <Girly-Girl> DTrebacz: Are there errors in "dmesg" under kernel 3.0
[16:05] <DTrebacz> Looking at the syslog there are a lot of messages like "Oct 16 08:41:53 AMD-ubuntu modem-manager[933]: Could not get the system bus. Make sure the message bus daemon is running! Message: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: Connection refused"
[16:06] <mirrakor> is there a command to search for orphaned packages?
[16:07] <mirrakor> nvm, sorry :)
[16:08] <BluesKaj> DTrebacz, what about the recovery kernel , did you try "repair broken packages" in the dialog ?
[16:10] <jcgs> mirrakor, what do you mean by orphaned packages? ones with no dependencies on them?
[16:10] <darthanubis> Kottizen: great!
[16:10] <DTrebacz> BluesKaj, When I tried to use the recovery kernel (first time) I didn't see any options -just got dropped to a root prompt (I think). I was expecting something different, so I went back to the previous kernel and it booted fine (IRCing on it now).
[16:11] <mirrakor> jcgs: yes, say I install package X, which during it's installation depended on Y, and now I remove package X, will Y still be installed?
[16:12] <BluesKaj> DTrebacz, odd... the recovery is supposed give some options in a dialog
[16:13] <jcgs> mirrakor, it depends it package Y is marked "automatically installed". if it is, then if no other packages depending on it are installed then it gets uninstalled. if not, then no
[16:14] <DTrebacz> BluesKaj, Thanks for the suggestions -I'll try it one more time and pay better attention -at least I know my machine isn't completely borked and have a workaround
[16:16] <BluesKaj> DTrebacz, there maybe a workaround with the 3.0 kernel in /etc/default/grub nomodeset after "quiet splash"
[16:17] <BluesKaj> DTrebacz, have you heard of that one ?
[16:19] <DTrebacz> BluesKaj, No I haven't - the more I'm looking at my syslog during the boots, it does sound like an nvidia issue.
[16:21] <jcgs> mirrakor: have you tried using aptitude? I find it a pretty wasy way of seeing what happens if you install/uninstall packages. However it is a terminal program with a slightly weird interface :S
[16:21] <DTrebacz> Here is some relevant lines from the syslog: http://paste.kde.org/134425/
[16:23] <BluesKaj> DTrebacz, in default grub , the "quiet splash" becomes "quiet splash nomodeset" or just "nomodeset" , depends what works for your setup
[16:25] <BluesKaj> yup DTrebacz,  looks like the nvidia driver isn't loading
[16:26] <DTrebacz> BluesKaj, thanks will try that on next reboot. Unfortunately I can't experiemnt right now I have some other processes running on the machine that I don't want to stop.
[16:26] <BluesKaj> DTrebacz, right
[16:27] <DTrebacz> BluesKaj, So if the nvidia driver is not "loading" -or failing when it tries. What is the the solution?
[16:29] <BluesKaj> DTrebacz, what I posted above about default grub, run sudo nano /etc/default/grub at the tty prompt and edit the line quiet splash as I posted above.
[16:31] <DTrebacz> BluesKaj - great thanks for your help!
[16:31] <BluesKaj> DTrebacz, well, thank me if it works :)
[16:32] <DTrebacz> BluesKaj, will do.
[16:35] <Inadaptado> Afternoon
[16:35] <Inadaptado> Is anybody else having troubles with Chrome sync?
[16:36] <Snowhog> Kubuntu 11.10, amd64, laptop, KDE 4.7.1, LibreOffice 3.4.3. Tool Tip text color isn't observing the system color setting for tool tip text -- it's defaulting to black, and the default background color is black, which is of course, a problem. Changing system color for tool tip text to any other color isn't being recognized by LO, although changing background color for tool tip is. Anyone else seeing this?
[16:38] <Inadaptado> Checking...
[16:42] <Inadaptado> You may be right
[16:44] <Inadaptado> Mine is not defaulting to black, but I think it's because of my colour scheme. So maybe the scheme is overriding that setting
[16:44] <Snowhog> Inadaptado: What color scheme are you using?
[16:45] <Inadaptado> Chrome. I like grayish colours. Matches my life.
[16:48] <Inadaptado> So nobody is having problems with Chrome Sync? I was so convinced it was their fault, and not mine...
[16:52] <BluesKaj> Inadaptado, is/are the other pc(s) that chrome is synching with turned on
[16:53] <BluesKaj> Inadaptado, I have to ask
[16:54] <Inadaptado> Not at the moment. I have a dual boot and used to sync my Chrome in Windows with my Chromium in Kubuntu. Then Chrome in Windows started to fail, so I unistalled it
[16:55] <Inadaptado> I then installed Oneiric fresh, so installed Chromium again. It won't even connect. Tried installing Chrome in Windows again, fresh. It won't connect either
[16:56] <Inadaptado> Stupid me, I didn't keep a copy of my more recent bookmarks because... well, that's what Sync was supposed to be about. So I can't stop syncing and erasing the data from Google's server like they suggest in the forum
[17:00] <Guest84547> hi everyone, since upgrading to 11.10 on ubuntu/kubuntu I have lost my wireless on my desktop and notebook computers. could anyone please help me fix it? thanks
[17:03] <Inadaptado> That's... weird. Did you install Oneiric in both?
[17:06] <jamil_1> Guest84547: what is your wireless card model ?
[17:08] <Guest84547> jamil_1: it's the intel n 1000 i believe
[17:08] <jamil_1> Guest84547: can you spot it in lspci ?
[17:11] <Guest84547> jamil_1: yes it's showing up as: 02:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Centrino Wireless-N 1000
[17:14] <jamil_1> Guest84547: what is the output of: lsmod | grep iwl
[17:15] <Guest84547> jamil_1: iwlagn 273937 0, mac80211 272785 1, iwlagn cfg80211 172392 2 iwlagn,mac80211
[17:16] <jamil_1> Guest84547: good
[17:16] <Guest84547> jamil_1: is that good?
[17:16] <jamil_1> Guest84547: type: ifconfig wlan0
[17:16] <jamil_1> Guest84547: means you donot have driver issue
[17:17] <Guest84547> jamil_1: ok so what should I do to get it working?
[17:17] <jamil_1> Guest84547:  output should contain up some where
[17:17] <jamil_1> Guest84547: follow along
[17:17] <jamil_1> Guest84547: type: ifconfig wlan0
[17:18] <jamil_1> Guest84547: output should contain "UP" some where
[17:18] <Guest84547> jamil_1: yes it says: "UP BROADCAST MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1"
[17:19] <jamil_1> Guest84547: ok, now try: iwlist wlan0 scan
[17:19] <jamil_1> Guest84547: it should show connections available
[17:20] <Guest84547> jamil_1: it says wlan0     No scan results
[17:21] <jamil_1> Guest84547: add sudo in the beginning
[17:21] <jamil_1> though it shouldn' tmatter
[17:21] <Guest84547> jamil_1: ok got a fair bit of output from that with details of my connection etc i'm wanting to connect to.
[17:22] <Guest84547> jamil_1: it's an o2 router
[17:22] <jamil_1> Guest84547: it has the router listed that you want to connect to ?
[17:22] <Guest84547> jamil_1: yes it's got it
[17:22] <jamil_1> Guest84547: it shoud contain essid as the name of connection you usually connect
[17:22] <Guest84547> jamil_1: yeah got that
[17:23] <jamil_1> good
[17:23] <clashingwave> Hello all I'm running Kubuntu 11.10 And I can't get kubuntu to auto connect to my 5G Connection on my router on start up but it auto connects to the 2.5G connection just fine at start up, is there a way to fix this?
[17:23] <jamil_1> Guest84547: connection uses encryption like wpa etc ?
[17:23] <Guest84547> jamil_1: yes, uses wpa/wpa2 passphrase
[17:24] <jamil_1> Guest84547: oka
[17:24] <Guest84547> jamil_1: currently network manager in kubuntu tries to connect and gets stuck at authentication
[17:24] <jamil_1> Guest84547: does it say unable to authenticate or what ?
[17:25] <BluesKaj> jamil_1, a suggestion ..wicd
[17:25] <Guest84547> jamil_1: erm i'll just check by clicking it and let you know
[17:25] <BluesKaj> err Guest84547 . wicd
[17:25] <Guest84547> BluesKaj: just tried wicd but it comes back with bad password. although i didn't try removed knetwork manager etc
[17:26] <Guest84547> jamil_1: it's getting stuck for a long time on "configuring interface" then it ends up stuck on "waiting for authorization"
[17:26] <BluesKaj> Guest84547, ok , nm is just disabled by wicd , so if you removed ir then nm should work after a reboot
[17:27] <BluesKaj> or do what it did previously
[17:27] <Guest84547> BluesKaj: so i should install wicd and reboot?
[17:28] <BluesKaj> Guest84547, it's worth a try ...won't hurt anything
[17:28] <Guest84547> BluesKaj: it looks like either can't authenticate...
[17:28] <Guest84547> jamil_1: what do you think jamil_1?
[17:29] <jamil_1> Guest84547: you can check about authentication by disabling nm/wicd and connecting from commandline
[17:29] <Guest84547> jamil_1: ok how do i connect from commandline?
[17:30] <jamil_1> Guest84547: make sure network manager is not running
[17:30] <jamil_1> Guest84547: try: service network-manager stop
[17:30] <Guest84547> jamil_1: ok but will that cut my ethernet connection that i'm talking to you on?
[17:31] <jamil_1> Guest84547: yup
[17:31] <jamil_1> Guest84547: may be try connecting without disabling nm
[17:31] <jamil_1> letsee what happens
[17:31] <Guest84547> jamil_1: ok
[17:32] <jamil_1> Guest84547: try: wpa_passphrase <networkname> <passphrase>    > pass.conf
[17:33] <BluesKaj> that's if his router uses wpa
[17:33] <jamil_1> true
[17:33] <jamil_1> BluesKaj: Guest84547 earlier told so
[17:34] <BluesKaj> ok
[17:35] <Guest84547> jamil_1: ok done that, it says network { loads of info}
[17:35] <Guest84547> jamil_1: how do i know if it's connected?
[17:35] <jamil_1> any body has used kde uplasmoid ?
[17:36] <jamil_1> Guest84547: ok, now you should have a pass.conf file in current directory
[17:36] <Guest84547> jamil_1: oh no i had to knock that > pass.conf bit off the end as I got an error.
[17:37] <Guest84547> jamil_1: ok done it again, seems to have worked
[17:37] <jamil_1> Guest84547: you a pass.conf file now ?
[17:38] <Guest84547> jamil_1: yes and it's got the connection details in it
[17:38] <jamil_1> Guest84547: good
[17:38] <jamil_1> Guest84547: try: wpa_supplicant -Dwext -iwlan0 -cpass.conf
[17:40] <Guest84547> jamil_1: ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Invalid argument
[17:40] <jamil_1> Guest84547: add sudo in the beginning if it complains
[17:40] <Guest84547> jamil_1: it's giving a load of errors
[17:40] <jamil_1> Guest84547: even with sudo ?
[17:40] <Guest84547> jamil_1: ^CCTRL-EVENT-TERMINATING - signal 2 received
[17:40] <Guest84547> jamil_1: yeah
[17:40] <Guest84547> jamil_1: even with sudo...
[17:41] <Guest84547> jamil_1: without sudo it doesn't get as far, and with sudo it connect and then unconnects and errors (or so it seems, I don't really understand what it means)
[17:41] <jamil_1> Guest84547: can you paste errors somewhere
[17:41] <Guest84547> jamil_1: ok 1 sec
[17:41] <jamil_1> paste.kde.org
[17:43] <Guest84547> jamil_1: http://pastebin.ca/2090524
[17:47] <jamil_1> Guest84547: just a sec
[17:47] <Guest84547> jamil_1: ok thanks jamil
[17:49] <MeanderingCode> I hate to say this, but I'm having the most trouble I've had configuring a linux distro since 2005 :(
[17:51] <jamil_1> Guest84547: add -dd at the end of previous command to get verbose output
[17:52] <epimeth> hi guys.... lost my network manager on update to oneric... how do I get it back?  thanks!
[17:52] <Daskreech> MeanderingCode: What's going on?
[17:53] <Daskreech> hi GirlyGirl
[17:53] <GirlyGirl> Daskreech: hi
[17:53] <MeanderingCode> Intel video won't support compositing and multiarch is messing w/ apt's ability to get and install packages
[17:53] <Daskreech> multiarch?
[17:54] <MeanderingCode> not sure what's it's innards are, but i'm on a 64bit install and it's supposed to facilitate the use of 32bit binaries
[17:54] <MeanderingCode> (11.10 shipped w/ it)
[17:54] <Daskreech> Umm
[17:54] <Daskreech> >_> ok so what are you installing that's messing up things?
[17:55] <MeanderingCode> xserver- and libgl1- stuff
[17:55] <MeanderingCode> trying to reinstall drivers, mesa, and xorg stuff
[17:55] <Guest84547> jamil_1: ok i'll pastebin it, there's loads of it though
[17:56] <jamil_1> Guest84547: good
[17:56] <MeanderingCode> and apt-get is giving me errors about "no file name for..."
[17:56] <Daskreech> So I guess the intel video is the core of the problem :)
[17:56] <MeanderingCode> yes, i think it is
[17:57] <MeanderingCode> so much for vendor support for open source :/  I hear nvidia has taken leaps and bounds since the vendor decided linux was worthwhile
[17:57] <Daskreech> Though I'll say if getting shiny compositing to work is all the problem you are having then you must have had a grand time since 2005 :)
[17:57] <Guest84547> jamil_1: actually it's still running, i don't know if it's gonna stop...
[17:57] <MeanderingCode> i have...ever since i gave up broadcom for atheros wifi cards :)
[17:57] <Daskreech> MeanderingCode: Depends. THey are still closed for the code and releases so it's "support"
[17:58] <epimeth> anybody know how to run the new network manager?
[17:58] <epimeth> I can't seem to find it and have no idea what its called
[17:58] <Daskreech> MeanderingCode: Ha ha Funny cause broadcom is part of the LInux Foundation now. Hopefully good things will come of that. They have started shipping open drivers in Linux 3.x kernel
[17:58] <Daskreech> epimeth: is it installed?
[17:58] <MeanderingCode> i'll probably be dropping in and out as X get's restarted
[17:58] <epimeth> Yea... I haven't had a problem with broadcom cards in years...
[17:58] <jamil_1> Guest84547: ctrl-c it if it is still running
[17:58] <epimeth> Daskreech: I have no idea
[17:59] <Daskreech> MeanderingCode: No problem You can probably just log in here from the command line
[17:59] <epimeth> I just updated to oneric and have no network manager
[17:59] <MeanderingCode> Wow.  Lot's of vendors changing their tunes, eh?
[17:59] <MeanderingCode> brb
[17:59] <Guest84547> jamil_1: http://pastebin.ca/2090529
[18:01] <epimeth> Daskreech: so do you know what the new netman is called?
[18:01] <Daskreech> epimeth: Shouldn't be a new one
[18:02] <Daskreech> should just be A network management plasmoid
[18:02] <epimeth> Daskreech: I don
[18:03] <Guest84547> jamil_1: http://pastebin.ca/2090529
[18:03] <epimeth> Daskreech: I don't get it... the widget menu says its installed but I don't see it!
[18:03] <Guest84547> jamil_1: sorry didnt mean to paste that twice
[18:03] <Daskreech> Ep5iloN: do you have a system tray?
[18:03] <Daskreech> epimeth: Do you hav a system tray?
[18:03] <Daskreech> sorry Ep5iloN
[18:04] <epimeth> Daskreech: yea I have it... I double clicked the widget in the "add widgets" menu and it popped up.  thanks for listening :-)
[18:05] <epimeth> a note on what Meandering was saying:   Ever since Dell started selling systems with ubuntu driver support has increased dramatically.... I was thrilled when I heard they were going to do that
[18:05] <Daskreech> epimeth: wonderful :)
[18:07] <jamil_1> Guest84547: you are trying to connect to: O2wirelessECBC7B
[18:07] <jamil_1> ?
[18:07] <Guest84547> jamil_1: yes that's right
[18:07] <jamil_1> Guest84547: in the log there are lines:
[18:08] <jamil_1> 0: 00:26:44:ec:bc:7b ssid='O2wirelessECBC7B' wpa_ie_len=22 rsn_ie_len=20 caps=0x11
[18:08] <jamil_1>    skip - blacklisted
[18:08] <epimeth> MeanderingCode: Its not so much that vendors are changing their tune as much as Dell has really stepped up.  Ever since they decided to start selling systems with ubuntu preinstalled driver support has increased drastically
[18:08] <Guest84547> jamil_1: ahh so something is blacklisted that shouldn't be?
[18:08] <jamil_1> Guest84547: open the pass.conf file in an editor
[18:08] <MeanderingCode> epimeth: does Dell still do that?  That's great if they're sticking w/ it
[18:09] <jamil_1> Guest84547: and add line above ssid="xx"  scan_ssid=1
[18:09] <jamil_1> Guest84547: not sure what blacklisted means
[18:12] <adarshajoisa> i'm kinda new to kubuntu. I'm used to the windows+E button to open explorer in windows. is there a way to assign a keyboard shortcut to open dolphin?
[18:13] <vadrao> Hi all, I have a acer laptop and it comes with 2 graphics cards (onboard intel one and external Nvidia one). I would like to use Nvidia driver. Coulsd you please let me know how I can go about doing this. Thank
[18:13] <epimeth> MeanderingCode: as far as I know, yes... I think its on select systems only as they expand driver support
[18:14] <MeanderingCode> my problem is that i've developed such a specific workflow w/ shortcuts and features in compiz over the years that i'm taking a sizable productivity hit when i give it up :(  I'll have to re-learn and rebuild in another WM
[18:14] <Guest84547> jamil_1: ok done that, now what? ssid=1 is that right, there's lots of wifi connections in my building?
[18:14] <MeanderingCode> epimeth: sweet
[18:14] <epimeth> adarshajoisa: I'm pretty sure its alt+k, but if you just hit alt+f2 you get a smart "run" dialog
[18:14] <epimeth> adarshajoisa: it autocompletes and lists all of the matching programs as you type
[18:14] <jamil_1> Guest84547: now try to connect again and post the output
[18:15] <jamil_1> Guest84547: it was scan_ssid=1
[18:15] <epimeth> adarshajoisa: personally I almost never touch the mouse except for in a game
[18:15] <Guest84547> jamil_1: http://pastebin.ca/2090536
[18:15] <adarshajoisa> epimeth, thanks! and yeah, i'm too lazy to touch the mouse. :)
[18:16] <jamil_1> Guest84547: your ssid should be the network name or specifically essid
[18:16] <adarshajoisa> epimeth: btw, alt+k doesn't seem to work
[18:18] <Daskreech> adarshajoisa: alt+F2 and dolp or your path work for me. You should be able to assign a shortcut key in global shortcuts I think
[18:18] <Daskreech> or at least Kmenuedit
[18:19] <adarshajoisa> Daskreech: thanks! i could assign a shortcut key in kmenuedit
[18:19] <adarshajoisa> now life'll be a lot easier ;)
[18:20] <Daskreech> adarshajoisa: :)
[18:21] <MeanderingCode> What i don't get is why compositing works for kde/plasma (since i moved to xorg-edgers-ppa), but compiz crashes
[18:21] <epimeth> adios boys!  thanks Daskreech
[18:21] <Guest84547> jamil_1: http://pastebin.ca/2090538
[18:21] <MeanderingCode> more importantly: is there something wrong w/ my setup that's causing ever apt-get install to warn me that it cannot authenticate packages??
[18:22] <MeanderingCode> this is a fresh install, kept home dir (except .kde)
[18:22] <jamil_1> Guest84547: ur pass.conf is still not right
[18:23] <jamil_1> it should be like this:
[18:23] <jamil_1> network={
[18:23] <jamil_1> 	scan_ssid=1
[18:23] <jamil_1>         ssid="mynetwork"
[18:23] <jamil_1>         #psk="1234
[18:23] <jamil_1>         psk=ee9a5cd2e36d4056464787fdb24c7b9168fea5d9050711c5fc44cf322569e4e
[18:23] <FloodBotK2> jamil_1: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[18:23] <FloodBotK1> jamil_1: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[18:23] <jamil_1> }
[18:25] <saulus> how can I switch my primary bluetooth device from the built-in to the bluetooth-usb-dongle?
[18:26] <Guest84547> jamil_1: http://pastebin.ca/2090540
[18:37] <spacebug-> is there a widget for the panel to show my "bookmarks" I've made in Dolphin?
[18:45] <raindog> I can not get Kmail to work properly with any imap account.  I have started from scratch and still nothing.
[18:47] <raindog> I've read that others are having the same issue.
[18:48] <BluesKaj> stuff to do ...BBL
[18:48] <raindog> I have deleted all relevant config files to start over from scratch with no luck.
[18:48] <raindog> Any suggestions?
[18:53] <Guest84547> jamil_1: hi what do you make of the last pastebin output?
[18:59] <Daskreech> raindog: checked in #kontact ?
[18:59] <raindog> Daskreech: Not yet.  I will try that.
[19:01] <adarshajoisa> when i start kmail, it gives an error: "Failed to fetch the resource collection." and exits. how to fix this?
[19:03] <raindog> adarshajoisa: Check this out.  https://wiki.kubuntu.org/OneiricOcelot/Final/Kubuntu/Kmail2
[19:06] <Kottizen> what's the equivalent to pressing ALT + SHIFT + F12 in a terminal?
[19:10] <adarshajoisa> raindog: the bug tracker contains a comment asking me to open akonadi console and type in some stuff. but i can't find akonadi console. (it doesn't appear when i type in the start menu search box) where can i find it?
[19:10] <raindog> you can install it from your package manager.
[19:17] <technobeebuzzin1> help
[19:17] <technobeebuzzin1> join #kubuntu
[19:30] <flyleaf> i installed kubuntu from  a dvd i didnt have internet at the time on the machine now i do and i need to update my entire install is that sudo apt-get update ?
[19:31] <yoshi_> Hi ALL
[19:31] <OerHeks> flyleaf, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[19:32] <yoshi_> i have problem with my kubuntu 11:10
[19:32] <flyleaf> so either or ? what does && mean
[19:32] <yoshi_> i'm canot instal my graphic card driver
[19:33] <OerHeks> with && you can perform a double command on one single line
[19:33] <yoshi_> after instal my graphic shel have got crash
[19:34] <yoshi_> sry for my english but i'm not god on
[19:35] <flyleaf> oh ok kewl thanks i had already did the update so i just did the second command  i have 2 more ?'s and im done how do i remove something  i think its sudo rm then what i want to remove and my other ? is whats the diff in the 2 commands u gave me update and upgrade
[19:35] <yoshi_> ....
[19:36] <yoshi_> any 1 know how can i instal my graphic drive on AMD Radeon 6260hd apu c-50
[19:37] <_pingu> 10.04  how can i show the internet symbol in the control panel again?
[19:37] <yoshi_> any 1 can help my with my problem
[19:40] <orava> any luck with getting banshee working with kubuntu 11.10? :P
[19:40] <yoshi_> ^^^
[19:40] <yoshi_> anything not worked on my kubuntu 11:10
[19:40] <yoshi_> i thing . kubuntu 11:10 is suck
[19:41] <BarkingFish> _pingu, by "internet symbol", do you mean the little ethernet or wifi symbol which used to sit in the system tray?
[19:41] <BarkingFish> yoshi_, instead of simply saying it sucks, be specific. If stuff doesn't work, ask here about it, or file a bug.
[19:42] <BarkingFish> yoshi_, instead of simply saying it sucks, be specific. If stuff doesn't work, ask here about it, or file a bug.
[19:42] <BarkingFish> well if you're gonna keep leaving when I try and talk to you, how can I help you? next!
[19:43]  * BarkingFish bangs his head on his desk
[19:43] <yoshi_> nice
[19:43] <yoshi_> then my problem is
[19:43] <_pingu> BarkingFish: I'am missing my WLAn symbol, VPN symbol, update manager symbol
[19:44] <raindog> yoshi_:   check this out  http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3117159.0
[19:44] <yoshi_> when i instal drive for my AMD Radeon 6250HD APU-c50 my graphic shel got crash
[19:44] <yoshi_> on ubuntu i haven't this problem
[19:44] <BarkingFish> raindog, try dealing with yoshi_ please, I'll take _pingu since I'd already moved onto him :)
[19:45] <raindog> BarkingFish: I'll try.  :)
[19:46] <BarkingFish> _pingu, the symbol you need on your system tray would be network manager, that deals with the wlan and VPN - if you right click on the panel, and select panel options - then pick add widgets from the next menu, you'll find network manager in there.
[19:47] <BarkingFish> if your panel is locked, _pingu - simply click unlock widgets before you start doing the above :)
[19:47] <yoshi_> i find nothing what help me :(
[19:47] <_pingu> BarkingFish: its not locked
[19:48] <BarkingFish> ok, then go ahead with what I told you above - from right clicking on the panel, _pingu
[19:48] <raindog> yoshi_:  Under " 2.c.  Proprietary ("non-free") Video Drivers"
[19:48] <raindog> yoshi_: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3117178.0
[19:50] <yoshi_> hmm...
[19:51] <yoshi_> on this site is write what to do when i got crash
[19:51] <kbroulik> how can I turn off that annoying "distribution upgrade available: oneiric 11.10" that kpackagekit issues every minute
[19:51] <yoshi_> i know it but i don't know how instal drive wil i'm no get crash
[19:52] <flyleaf> how do i add stuff to the desktop folder like konsole
[19:53] <flyleaf> its not a drag and drop thing i know
[19:53] <yoshi_> I have god question "Who is form Poland"
[19:53] <raindog> yoshi_: The link I sent you has the information.  Look under Method 3 step 2.
[19:54] <_pingu> BarkingFish: I can't find the network manager
[19:54] <yoshi_> raindog i read this
[19:55] <BarkingFish> _pingu, The icon you want is one with a large blue N on it, marked Network Management
[19:55] <BarkingFish> if you don't see that one, it may be possible you don't have it installed
[19:55] <yoshi_> but on this web site is information "What to do when i got crash" no how instal wil i no get chrash
[19:56] <_pingu> BarkingFish: i saw it before. suddenly it was away. clicked wrong with my mouse..
[19:56] <OerHeks> kbroulik, set your update sources to never.
[19:57] <BarkingFish> maybe you have accidentally moved the icon somewhere else.
[19:57] <raindog> yoshi_: "when i instal drive for my AMD Radeon 6250HD APU-c50 my graphic shel got crash"  The information I linked to is for the problem you stated.
[19:57] <chaitu> Greetings All. I have kubuntu 11.04 and am happy with it. Was wondering,do we have any security updates for teh latest version? or can someone please list the uses of new distro version?
[19:57] <raindog> yoshi_: You need to be more specific for me to assist you.
[19:57] <yoshi_> yh...
[19:58] <yoshi_> how can i tell you this
[19:58] <_pingu> BarkingFish: cant see it
[19:58] <Cenbe> How can I get text values in addition to the graphs on the system monitor widget?
[19:59] <kbroulik> well I will definitly upgrade to 11.10 but I am just too lazy right now *g* and I don't live here where this PC is anymore, so the notebook is running oneiric since beta2 and the main pc… well… it's being run down xD
[19:59] <BarkingFish> _pingu, ok, give me one moment and I'll see if I can find the right file for you, it's possible you've not got it installed
[20:00] <yoshi_> i used this comand "sudo chmod +x xxx.run"     <- xxx.run is my driver
[20:00] <yoshi_> next
[20:00] <_pingu> BarkingFish: but if it is not installed, why did I saw it before my wrong click?
[20:00] <yoshi_> sudo sh ~/xxx.run
[20:00] <chaitu> umnn anyone? please? what are the uses of the latest version? am on 11.04..sorry but am kinda new to linux and not sure if I *have* to upgrade
[20:01] <yoshi_> when driver instaled, my graphic shel got chrash
[20:01] <BarkingFish> _pingu, I have no idea.  You could check you have it by opening konsole, and typing sudo apt-get install network-manager,
[20:02] <BarkingFish> chaitu, you never have to upgrade, unless the version you're using comes to its end of life
[20:02] <BarkingFish> for Long term releases, that's 3 years, chaitu
[20:02] <chaitu> BarkingFish: Thanks a ton. Was concerned about security updates and stuff..
[20:03] <chaitu> great.. I have to know what does the latest version have that I dont right now I guess..then I can make a move
[20:03] <BarkingFish> I don't know exactly how long we support the regular releases for, chaitu - the release cycle is normally every 6 months, i.e 2 per year, april and october
[20:03] <_pingu> BarkingFish: its installed
[20:03] <BarkingFish> hm
[20:04] <BarkingFish> just try to start it from konsole, _pingu, see if the icon appears
[20:04] <BarkingFish> skip that, you can't.
[20:04] <chaitu> thanks BarkingFish. Have a good day. Will check online what's the difference of the updates in the latest version.
[20:05] <chaitu> BarkingFish: one quick question before I go. I get a popup saying new version is available, is it ok to update that way? or do I have to download iso to ensure my data is safe?
[20:05] <BarkingFish> Guys - I could do with a little help here for _pingu - we're trying to get the network manager icon back in their system tray - but it's not in the plasma widgets at all. Any ideas what we can do?
[20:06] <BarkingFish> chaitu, personally, I found the upgrade through the popup not reliable, i went via a terminal and did do-release-upgrade
[20:06] <BarkingFish> but make sure you back up everything before you do anything, chaitu :)
[20:07] <chaitu> ok sure..will do.
[20:07] <BarkingFish> good luck :)
[20:07] <chaitu> BarkingFish: I thought you can install the network manager widget? by right clicking on the panel and add widget?
[20:08] <BarkingFish> chaitu, we tried that, the widget isn't there
[20:08] <BarkingFish> i told _pingu which to look for, the widget marked Network Management, with the big blue N on it, and they say it's not in the list
[20:09] <chaitu> how about installing a network manager applet? I see it in software kit
[20:10] <metellius> does the kill krunner plugin actually work for anyone? there is supposedly a trigger word, "kill" by default, but it has never worked for me
[20:10] <metellius> nothing happens
[20:10] <BarkingFish> !info nmapplet
[20:11] <BarkingFish> !info plasma-widget-networkmanagement
[20:11] <BarkingFish> _pingu, are you still about?
[20:12] <Daskreech> Kottizen: hrrm you can use qdbus I think to simulate alt+shift+F12
[20:12] <_pingu> BarkingFish: yes
[20:12] <BarkingFish> if so, go back to your konsole and type: sudo apt-get install plasma-widget-networkmanagement
[20:12] <chaitu> aight time to hit bed. Thanks BarkingFish. have a good one.
[20:12] <BarkingFish> np chaitu, good night :)
[20:12] <Daskreech> adarshajoisa: You can press alt+F2 and type akonadi console
[20:13] <_pingu> BarkingFish: The following packages block the update: network-manager-kde
[20:14] <Kottizen> Daskreech: I found a nifty script :)
[20:14] <BarkingFish> _pingu, which version of kubuntu are you on?
[20:14] <Daskreech> Kottizen: can you pastebin i?
[20:14] <Daskreech> it
[20:14] <Kottizen> Daskreech: http://matilda.kottnet.net/archive/scripts/UNIX/disableeffects.sh.txt
[20:14] <_pingu> BarkingFish: how can i check that? use kub. 10.04
[20:15] <BarkingFish> Ah.  Guys, what was the codename for 10.04? Was it Lucid?
[20:15] <rork> yes, 10.04 is lucid
[20:15] <BarkingFish> thanks rork :)
[20:15] <BarkingFish> !info plasma-widget-networkmanagement lucid
[20:16] <BarkingFish> hm.  I don't know why that package would block the plasma widget, _pingu - I'm running 11.10 here, I've no idea on the earlier releases, I didn't join till Natty.
[20:17] <Daskreech> Kottizen: You can't pres alt+shift+F12 ?
[20:17] <Kottizen> Daskreech: I can, but I'd like it to do it automatically
[20:18] <_pingu> BarkingFish: ok, thanks. i'll try it tomorrow again. need sleep now. many thanks for your friendly help!
[20:18] <_pingu> good night
[20:19] <Daskreech> Kottizen: kwin can turn off compositing automatically for an application
[20:19] <Kottizen> Daskreech: how?
[20:20] <Daskreech> Kottizen: alt=F3 -> Advanced -> Special application settings -> Appearance and Fixes
[20:20] <Daskreech> But a script works as well :)
[20:20] <Kottizen> Daskreech: thank you :)
[20:20] <kingh3mp> hey guys i've got a big problem
[20:21] <kingh3mp> i've got my laptop here, and the mouse isnt working
[20:21] <Snowhog> kingh3mp: uplugged and replugged it yet?
[20:21] <kingh3mp> Snowhog: it's a laptop. built-in touchpad
[20:22] <Snowhog> kingh3mp: That isn't a mouse then. Makes a difference.
[20:22]  * kingh3mp facepalm
[20:22] <Snowhog> kingh3mp: Laptop make and model?
[20:22] <simulations> has anyone done the upgrade natty 11.04 - any issues so far ?
[20:22] <kingh3mp> HP Pavilion DV-1000
[20:23] <kingh3mp> simulations: Yeah. It's pretty good. One of the best Kubuntu distro's I've seen.
[20:23] <Snowhog> kingh3mp: Do you by chance have a mouse plugged in?
[20:23] <kingh3mp> Snowhog: nope
[20:25] <Snowhog> kingh3mp: Okay. I have an HP Pavilion g7 and mine works, although I have it configured through Synaptiks to be disabled when a mouse is plugged in. Have you installed Synaptiks?
[20:25] <jmichaelx> kubuntu 10.10... the nightmare never ends
[20:26] <OerHeks> oh i love to hear your complaints, jmichaelx ..
[20:27] <jmichaelx> OerHeks: excellent, because i have some big ones
[20:27] <kingh3mp> Snowhog: can I chat with you one-on-one?
[20:27] <Snowhog> kingh3mp: Sure
[20:28] <jmichaelx> OerHeks: audio.... this whole phonon+pulseaudio business is completely and utterly dysfunctional
[20:29] <jmichaelx> OerHeks: i cannot even open phono settings...it just crashes
[20:29] <simulations> what is the difference bw different distros e.g fedora and ubuntu - when u can use any desktop u want ..
[20:29] <simulations> or ubuntu and kubuntu - the kernel is the same rite
[20:30] <george__> BluesKaj: Hey, you helped me earlier with my sound being muted on alsamixer. The problem is that every time I login, it's muted again and I have to correct it! How do I fix that?
[20:30] <OerHeks> jmichaelx, you tried a lot of solutions, and if i remember right, it was a mute issue ? maybe you need te reinstall to get it working again ?
[20:31] <jmichaelx> OerHeks: a mute issue? no. it is a combination of issues, and i am not convinced a reinstallation will fix it
[20:32] <jmichaelx> OerHeks: i can get audio working.... but each time i do, it does not work when i reboot
[20:33] <jmichaelx> and phonon crashes and crashes and crashes
[20:33] <raindog> simulations: regarding ubuntu/kubuntu, yes same kernel, but different desktop environments .
[20:34] <george__> jmichaelx:same here! kubuntu sound stopped working each time I reboot!
[20:35] <kyofel> jmichaelx: you might find kde bug 284176 interesting
[20:35] <OerHeks> my upgrade gave no sound too, all i had to do is to remove ~/.pulse and all is working great
[20:36] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: What's the fix that you are employing
[20:36] <Daskreech> Well work around it's obviously not a fix
[20:37] <jmichaelx> OerHeks: i have already done that a few times.... i think once it helped, but upon rebooting i was back to square one
[20:37] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: i don't know where to start... i have fixed audio 4 or 5 times, but when i reboot, it is broken again
[20:38] <Daskreech> start at where you fix it
[20:39] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: on a funny and odd note, i just rebooted, and this time audio is working lol.... but i would bet money it will not work the next time i reboot
[20:39] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: Kash? :-)
[20:39] <ScottyK> On a 104Gb drive, how big should /swap be? (Computer has 4GB of RAM)
[20:40] <BluesKaj> george__, setup alsamixer to your liking , then run ' alsactl store ' in the terminal
[20:40] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: i do not even remember what all i have done. the first time, i was able to go into phonon setting, and all my devices were listed. it has set my webcam mic as the system-wide default audio device (LOL). i set everything to the correct audio devices, and things worked
[20:41] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: then i rebooted. audio was again broken. go to phonon settings, it will not open.
[20:41] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: yeah that would probably be a Pulseaudio thing. It has strange timing ideas about device initilzation
[20:41] <george__> BluesKaj: $ alsactl store
[20:41] <george__> alsactl: save_state:1547: Cannot open /var/lib/alsa/asound.state for writing: Permission denied
[20:42] <BarkingFish> ScottyK, the normal rule for arranging how much swap to set aside is thus: If you have less than 2GB of RAM, you set your swap the same size - if you have over 2GB of RAM, your swap should be at least 2GB, up to same size as the available RAM
[20:42] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: yofel told me about 'kcmshell4 phonon'... that helped... i was able to get into phonon settings (that has not worked since
[20:42] <george__> BluesKaj: sudo alsactl store: Home directory /home/george not ours
[20:42] <george__> BluesKaj: ?
[20:43] <SJr> How do I block Kubuntu from prompting me constantly to upgrade?
[20:43] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: on a possible odd note, i tried just ditching pulseaudio... which i have had to do on other machines at various times in the past, but without pulse i was not able to get audio working at all
[20:43] <ScottyK> BarkingFish - Thanks!
[20:44] <jmichaelx> i put pulse back in place, and audio began working again.... until i rebooted
[20:44] <vadrao> Hi all, I have a acer laptop and it comes with 2 graphics cards (onboard intel one and external Nvidia one). I would like to use Nvidia driver where as ubuntu has recognized and is running intel one. Could you please let me know how I can go about doing this. Thanks
[20:44] <BarkingFish> SJr, press ALT+F2 and type software-properties-kde
[20:45] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: try kcmshell kcm_phonon
[20:45] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: try kcmshell4 kcm_phonon
[20:45] <SJr> thanks
[20:45] <BarkingFish> when the program opens, click the Updates tab, and right at the bottom, you see "Notify me of a new Ubuntu version" - change the dropdown next to that, to "Never" and click OK
[20:46] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: ty... although momentarily audio is working, but i am scared to touch anything. it seems that even opening phonon settings crews things up
[20:46] <BluesKaj> george__, I'm not sure about that message ...seen it before with other commands , but I don't know what to do or whether it affects the command
[20:46] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: or alternately fixes things temporarily, if audio is already screwed up upone rebooting
[20:47] <jmichaelx> upon*
[20:47] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: what started this?
[20:47] <BluesKaj> jmichaelx, what player ?
[20:47] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: every player
[20:48] <george__> BluesKaj: That was probably one of the weirdest messages terminal returned me...
[20:48] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: it started after upgrading to oneiric
[20:48] <BarkingFish> george__, could you pastebin please, the output of ls -al from your home directory?
[20:48] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: sure you don't mean /home ?
[20:49] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: Yum. I guess you tried a back up of pulse settings
[20:49] <BarkingFish> i mean the directory at /home/george, Daskreech
[20:49] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: i tend to use moc and mplayer from the command line a lot for audio... as well as amarok, vlc, xbmc, etc etc etc
[20:49] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: Ok jsutchecking
[20:49] <george__> BarkingFish:Here you go http://pastie.org/2707848
[20:50] <BarkingFish> thanks
[20:50] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: i did not back up .pulse before upgrading, although i do have a backup of .pulse from immediately after upgrading
[20:50] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: That will have to do I suppose
[20:50] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: i am not sure why i would put that back, though... it didn't work
[20:51] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: Known problems versus unknown fixes
[20:51]  * mweijts biw
[20:52] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: well, i may give that a shot the next time i reboot, since audio probably will not work then
[20:52] <BarkingFish> george__, could you go up one directory to /home, and tell me what the perms are on your personal directory please?
[20:52] <BarkingFish> it'll only be a one line paste, so you're quite safe to put it here
[20:53] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: by the way, at one point, when i was having problems, the only way i could get things working was by selecting the correct device in pavu.... NOTHING else would work... not phono settings, not kmix, nor anything else i trie
[20:53] <jmichaelx> tried*
[20:54] <george__> BarkingFish:Home → root, my personal folder → george
[20:54] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: why do audio devices sometimes ahow up in phonon settings, and sometimes only 'pulseaudio server'?
[20:55] <BarkingFish> right, what are the actual permissions on it? as in the bit using rwx at the start of the line, george__?
[20:55] <george__> BarkingFish:Sorry, don't know what to do to check this.
[20:56] <BarkingFish> in the konsole, george__ - type cd /home - then when you're in there, again type ls -al
[20:56]  * BluesKaj wonders about the lack of a .asoundrc file , whether that could be a problem on 11.10
[20:56] <BarkingFish> you should see something like this, george__ - drwxr-xr-x 36 thor thor 4096 2011-10-16 21:45 thor
[20:57] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: interesting
[20:57] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: pulseaudio takes alot longer than the rest of the system to register devices (and it does it in a kind of haphazard way but that's another thing) so if it takes too long phonon will register it itself
[20:57] <BluesKaj> george__, intelhda ?, jmichaelx ?
[20:57] <george__> BarkingFish:http://paste.kde.org/134491/
[20:58] <george__> BarkingFish:yep, HDA Intel
[20:58] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj:  ?
[20:58] <BarkingFish> I think we're getting wires crossed here.
[20:58] <BluesKaj> jmichaelx, intelhda ?
[20:58] <BarkingFish> george__, the permissions on your home directory are correct, 755 or rwxr-xr-x
[20:59] <BarkingFish> the permissions on the files in your home directory are also spot on, so I'm mystified as to why you're getting told the directory isn't yours
[20:59] <george__> BarkingFish: Oh...
[20:59] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: i am using (an apparently USB) C-Media audio adapter
[21:01] <BluesKaj> jmichaelx, what's your sound card kernel module ?  lsmod grep | snd
[21:01] <tonymc> i have a strange problem
[21:01] <tonymc> i have duplicate packages in my apt repository
[21:01] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: one factor that causes problems...as Daskreech was indicating, is the whole thing of dealing with multiple audio devices. i have nvidia hdmi audio (which i'm not using), my webcam mic, and this USB C-Media audio, which is *supposed* to be my primary audio device
[21:01] <tonymc> lots of them
[21:02] <BarkingFish> Guys - this looks like a bug.  I also have george__'s problem - I just tried to alsactl store 0 and got - Home directory /home/thor not ours.
[21:02] <george__> BarkingFish: !
[21:02] <tonymc> i have disabled all sources except main and cleared all the caches i could find
[21:03] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: snd_hda_codec         104802  2 snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hda_intel
[21:03] <tonymc> those duplicate packages list some packages as unavailable while these packages are perfectly available from a second copy of the package
[21:03] <BluesKaj> jmichaelx, ok , I have a similar problem ..had to black list the onboard card in favour of the pci m-audio .
[21:05] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: hmm, blacklisting my nvidia hdmi audio is one thing i had not considered...
[21:05] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: i do think it is really bad that it would frequently want to make what it clearly identifies as a microphone my default audio device
[21:06] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: You could jump into #pulseaudio and see if they have a simple solution to your situation
[21:06] <Daskreech> THough me thinks they will likely just tell you that kubuntu sucks and stop using phonon >_>
[21:06] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: i do not have time atm, but ty... i will ask there the next time this issue arises (which i assume will be soon)
[21:07] <BluesKaj> jmichaelx, kdesudo dolphin /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
[21:07] <BluesKaj> alt+f2 ^
[21:07] <Daskreech> though I have heard some people just mv ~/.pulse on update to 11.10 and it fixes stuff
[21:07] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: everywhere a person goes, one hears 'kubuntu sucks, quit using it'
[21:07] <Daskreech> but I don't know what issues they were having so ...
[21:07] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: I know. a bit annoying
[21:08] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: i actaully feel that kubuntu is doing much better, considering what it has to work with. i feel the opposite, however, about KDE
[21:08] <Daskreech> http://identi.ca/notice/84609948
[21:09] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: I suppose you don't want to elaborate on that?
[21:09] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: lol
[21:09] <BluesKaj> Daskreech, i'm somewhat disappointed that we have so many sound issues , this should have been sorted out long ago and it's still with us
[21:09] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: i have elablorated a lot on that, in many places... but KDE has very major quality control issues
[21:10] <Daskreech> Hmm I seem to have the opposite issues
[21:10] <Daskreech> My sound never stops working no matter what happens
[21:10] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: my sound never stops working on a few machines, and is a frequent issue on a few others
[21:10] <Daskreech>  I've had the computer running at 68 load and everything froze up including the network and Keyboard
[21:10] <Daskreech>  Still had music playing though :)
[21:11] <Daskreech> the issues I've had have almost always been pulseaudio so I don't know that I can be too upset with KDE for that
[21:12] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: i have a desktop here that has the exact same motherboard (same onboard audio) as my workstation at work (i built both of them)... the PC at work runs kubuntu, and i always have audio issues. the PC here at home runs gentoo, and never has audio problems. both run KDE
[21:12] <Daskreech> Oooh gentoo :)
[21:13] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: don't ant to get into the whole religious debate, but my appreciation for gentoo does nothing but grow over time
[21:13] <jmichaelx> want*
[21:13] <BluesKaj> Daskreech, I never used pulseaudio til I installed a m-audio pci soundcard which obviously needs it to link alsa to webaudio content in flash and other webaudio players and plugins
[21:14] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: overall, i hate pulseaudio.... but it is admittedly nice, WHEN it works
[21:14] <Daskreech> BluesKaj: Pulseaudio isn't terrible it's just a bit much for a solution inserting itself inbetween other solution layers
[21:15] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: +1
[21:15] <BluesKaj> the alsa driver is incomplete with the m-audio card . it needs the pulseaudio sound server
[21:15] <Daskreech> Hopefully they can push it far enough that you forget it's there to hate
[21:15] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: that may be the case with the C-Media card... i was unable yesterday to get it working at all yesterday without pulse
[21:16] <BluesKaj> Daskreech, jmichaelx , I just need the digital stream s/pdif /pcm to the coax out so pulse doesn't distort the the sound just passes it thru
[21:18] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: re: debate the F in FOSS should be a core aspect if it works for you then fantastic :)
[21:18] <BluesKaj> jmichaelx, do you have an .asoundrc file in /home , probly not ..I would investigate the C-media module and a setting in.asoundrc . It may settle your problems
[21:20] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: i have two machines at this desk, one with onboard inet audio, and the other is the one i have been describing.... i just checked, and neither has .asoundrc
[21:21] <jmichaelx> onboard intel* audio...
[21:24] <BluesKaj> jmichaelx, , i had to create an .asoundrc file for stability , even with pulseaudio in the mix .. scroll down til you ind the .asoundrc file reference ,http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Module-hda-intel
[21:43] <new2net> I've really done it >.<, I completely wrecked all of the mysql settings. How can I remove mysql (using dkpg or apt-get maybe?) and reinstall it forcing it to remove old files and add new ones (defaults)?
[21:45] <BluesKaj> new2net, purge  perhaps , but what about the data?
[21:45] <Daskreech> new2net: you can use purge with apt-get from the command line
[21:45] <new2net> BluesKaj, I am actually recovering data from a previous install (so my idb and frm files are set aside)
[21:45] <Daskreech> new2net: though I would recommend backing up what you have now
[21:46] <new2net> Daskreech, well I have backed up what I have... The Ocelot upgrade failed and I reinstalled Natty.
[21:46] <Daskreech> ow
[21:48] <new2net> Daskreech, BluesKaj, when I reinstall it doesn't readd the default directories /var/lib/mysql/* and /etc/mysql/*
[21:50] <new2net> oh.... mysql_install_db maybe
[21:57] <jxjl> good evening is there any way how to minimize all windows on kde desktop (not to se them as show desktop)? my problem is that when I use show desktop and then change activity, all windows pop up back
[21:57] <kingh3mp> Snowhog: Hey, i'm back
[21:58] <Snowhog> kingh3mp: How is the touchpad now?
[21:58] <kingh3mp> Working fine. Ultra-sensitive, though. lol
[21:58] <Snowhog> kingh3mp: Install synaptiks and you can configure the touchpad behavior.
[21:59] <kingh3mp> sudo apt-get install synaptiks ??
[21:59] <Daskreech> Yep
[22:00] <Snowhog> kingh3mp: I always choose not to bring in unneccessary packages, so I use: sudo apt-get install package_name --no-install-recommends
[22:00] <Daskreech> jxjl: hmm not sure I'd ask in #plasma (or #kwin) but I think it's just a side effect of the illusion
[22:01] <new2net> Daskreech, sudo apt-get --purge remove mysql-server-5.1 && sudo apt-get --reinstall install mysql-server-5.1    -- is what I needed
[22:01] <Daskreech> new2net: yep
[22:01] <kingh3mp> It's too bad you can't install multiple packages at the same time.
[22:01] <new2net> Daskreech, Have any idea what to do with these .FRM and ibdata files?
[22:01] <Snowhog> kingh3mp: You can.
[22:02] <kingh3mp> Nope, not really. Whenever you try running an install and there's already one running, the system yells at you.
[22:03] <jxjl> Daskreech: and isn't there any way how to really minimize window (the same way as when I click on minimize button) from shell script?
[22:03] <Snowhog> You don't do it by multiple sudo apt-gets; you just include the additional packages on the same command: sudo apt-get install package1 package2 package3 ...
[22:03] <kingh3mp> Oh? Interesting.
[22:03] <Snowhog> kingh3mp: See man apt-get
[22:03] <Daskreech> jxjl: of coruse there is
[22:03] <kingh3mp> So if I wanted to install synaptiks, then upgrade the system...
[22:03] <Daskreech> qdbus kwin
[22:04] <kingh3mp> sudo apt-get install synaptiks do-release upgrade ??
[22:04] <Snowhog> kingh3mp: No. Private chat?
[22:04] <kingh3mp> go ahead
[22:06] <littlegirl> Hey there, if I try to run sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart I get this message: "Running /etc/init.d/networking restart is deprecated because it may not again enable some interfaces" and then it says "Reconfiguring network interfaces...". What is the correct new command?
[22:06] <Daskreech> hi littlegirl
[22:06] <jxjl> Daskreech: where can i find some namual how to control kwin trough qdbus?
[22:07] <littlegirl> Daskreech: Hey there. (:
[22:07] <littlegirl> Daskreech: I'm trying to update my more popular pages with correct up-to-date information. (:
[22:07] <Daskreech> jxjl: try typing qdbus by itself it will tell you all the things you can query
[22:07] <Daskreech> jxjl: then mayb qdbus | grep kwin
[22:08] <jxjl> Daskreech: thank you, I'll try to play with it
[22:08] <Daskreech> jxjl: it allows you to discover methods etc
[22:08] <Daskreech> littlegirl: Lovely ^_^
[22:08] <Daskreech> !service
[22:08] <Daskreech> hmm
[22:12] <Daskreech> littlegirl: I think it's service
[22:12] <littlegirl> Apparently the new command is sudo service network-manager restart  (:
[22:12] <kyofel> it is
[22:13] <littlegirl> Cool, thanks. Someone probably should have added that to the error message that comes up when you try the old way. (:
[22:15] <littlegirl> I may be back tonight. You all have fun. (:
[22:15]  * Daskreech goes off to have fun as instructed
[22:17] <well_laid_lawn> heh
[23:18] <barxool> hi. I am extracting a tar.gz with tar, but the result is a directory that belongs to a user that does not exist on the system. See http://pastebin.com/NWBVP2BF
[23:18] <barxool> Can someone explain this ?
[23:22] <Snowhog> barxool: Why try to install xchat from a downloaded tarball when it's available for installation in the package manager?
[23:25] <barxool> Snowhog: i was trying to understand what the "./configure" was doing...
[23:26] <jmichaelx> barxool: Snowhog is just wondering why you are wanting to compile xchat
[23:27] <Snowhog> barxool: Okay, but I don't see what user you are thinking is there. /tmp is a temporary file system folder.
[23:28] <barxool> I don't understand why the directory xchat-2.8.8 does not belong to root, since tar was executed by root
[23:29] <Snowhog> barxool: It is owned by root. Who do you think owns it? The pastbin doesn't show another user.
[23:30] <barxool> do you see 500:500 for  xchat-2.8.8/ ?
[23:30] <barxool> xchat-2.8.8.tar.bz2 has root:root
[23:31] <barxool> and xchat-2.8.8/ has 500:500
[23:31] <Snowhog> barxool: Ah, okay. Who knows what/how the 'packager' of that particular tarball did things.
[23:31] <TheEvilPhoenix> ^
[23:31] <TheEvilPhoenix> some tarballs include permission settings for the extracted foleeers/files
[23:32] <TheEvilPhoenix> folders*
[23:32] <barxool> ok  !
[23:32] <TheEvilPhoenix> you can chown the foloder though
[23:32] <TheEvilPhoenix> and give it back to root
[23:32] <TheEvilPhoenix> oh god, my typing fails today
[23:33] <Snowhog> TheEvilPhoenix: But why at that point in the config process --everything is still being done in /tmp -- the final process hasn't completed.
[23:33] <TheEvilPhoenix> oh if its in /tmp, then its irrelevant
[23:33] <Snowhog> :
[23:33] <Snowhog> :)
[23:34]  * TheEvilPhoenix was reading a different thing from the aforementioned text
[23:34] <TheEvilPhoenix> blame my ZNC for not logging right >.>