| benonsoftware | Hi all | 03:30 |
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| benonsoftware | See you all in about a months time | 03:59 |
| xannen | Good Afternoon All! | 04:12 |
| sagaci | good afternoon xannen | 04:36 |
| xannen | I'm "tolerating" unity dual monitor dashboard bug. It's documented. I hope it gets fixed very soon. :D | 04:37 |
| xannen | Maybe... tomorrow? LOL | 04:37 |
| sagaci | hopefull | 04:37 |
| Fudge | hi what is current kernel for lucid 10.04.3, if anyone is using it | 04:40 |
| Fudge | head_victim sup | 04:42 |
| sagaci | Fudge: 2.6.32.34.40 in lucid-updates | 04:46 |
| Fudge | sagaci are you by chance using it? | 04:47 |
| Fudge | lsmod | grep speakup | 04:49 |
| sagaci | nope, just a packages.ubuntu.com search | 04:50 |
| xannen | OMG it's happening again! Graphics lag. :S | 04:57 |
| Fudge | tks | 04:57 |
| xannen | hmm... i stuffed up my ubuntu again. i uninstall the nvidia driver, installed nouveau, and now it won't boot into login. :D | 05:12 |
| Fudge | just a console? | 05:15 |
| Bodman456 | Anyone here got experience with merging kernels? | 05:18 |
| Bodman456 | I'm working on a port of Ubuntu 11.10 to the TouchPad | 05:19 |
| Bodman456 | And I need drivers from 2 kernels to go into the Ubuntu ARM kernel | 05:19 |
| xannen | hi fudge. nope, i just get a purple screen and it's "stucked". | 05:24 |
| xannen | okay... my gpu driver is rescued, for now. :D | 05:40 |
| xannen | OMG ... 11.10 issues: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Asus_U36JC | 05:48 |
| sagaci | head_victim, so it looks like it's been accepted upstream for xchat | 06:29 |
| ikt | anyone played with xubuntu lately? | 07:50 |
| head_victim | I tried it 6 - 12 months ago. I've installed x/k/l and gnome shell in an 11.10 vb though | 07:53 |
| ikt | ah nice | 08:08 |
| ikt | I just checked xubuntu then | 08:08 |
| ikt | in vm | 08:08 |
| ikt | looks very similar to ubuntu 10.10 | 08:08 |
| head_victim | Yeah, it's basically very much a gnome 2.x replacement. | 08:09 |
| ikt | that'll make some people happy | 08:09 |
| head_victim | For mine I'm happy enough with Unity that the only reason I'd use anything but would be resource issues so Lubuntu is my backup | 08:09 |
| gorilla | for those that don't want to go down the unity path? | 08:09 |
| head_victim | Well it's not an official goal of the project, that's just the vibe I get from it from personal experience. | 08:10 |
| head_victim | sagaci: I might have missed the import timeframe on the previous release. | 08:22 |
| head_victim | At least it will be there for the LTS | 08:22 |
| sagaci | head_victim, https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric | 08:33 |
| head_victim | You're on a mission aren't you ;) | 08:34 |
| gorilla | hehe.. translating the world? ;-) | 08:34 |
| sagaci | i laughed at myself back 8 months ago when I wanted to get close to 100% done | 08:35 |
| gorilla | oh? | 08:35 |
| head_victim | I remember when you were saying "I've no interest in translating stuff I don't use", glad to see that's changed | 08:35 |
| sagaci | yeah, I just installed kubuntu the other day | 08:36 |
| head_victim | Oh no! The DARKSIDE | 08:36 |
| head_victim | Heh. | 08:36 |
| gorilla | head_victim: that's kDARKSIDE! | 08:37 |
| head_victim | Karkside? | 08:37 |
| sagaci | darKside | 08:37 |
| gorilla | I wish it would. :-P | 08:37 |
| xannen | i wish openjdk 7 was in main, but it is in universe. :( | 08:39 |
| head_victim | I never understood what it mattered, as long as it was there ;) | 08:42 |
| * gorilla either. | 08:42 | |
| gorilla | me either.. rather. | 08:42 |
| sagaci | updates are arguably quicker when they're in main | 08:43 |
| sagaci | bugfix, and such | 08:43 |
| head_victim | I hadn't actually noticed | 08:44 |
| xannen | head_victim, gorilla, i want to use eclipse, and apparently, it depends on openjdk 6, not 7. :S after i installed openjdk 7, and tried to uninstall openjdk 6, it also tries to uninstall my eclipse! :( | 08:44 |
| gorilla | xannen: that's a packaging bug.. feel free to report it. | 08:45 |
| sagaci | or feel forever guilty if you don't report it :P | 08:46 |
| xannen | i'm sure someone will or already have. :P i'm too lazy. :P | 08:47 |
| gorilla | SEP! | 08:47 |
| head_victim | I love linux projects. People actually listen to your feedback and respond. I even file bugs with Android applications and get quick responses every time so far. | 08:47 |
| gorilla | head_victim: I think it's because it's as much or more so a community than a product. Windows land seems to be yeah we know about that bug, we'll fix it some day. | 08:49 |
| gorilla | some day is around when customers are affected by it. | 08:49 |
| head_victim | gorilla: and there's no malice or angst, it's just about making the product better in general. | 08:49 |
| xannen | LOL no noob flaming? | 08:50 |
| gorilla | xannen: That does happen, regardless of platform. | 08:51 |
| ikt | i think he means in regards to fixing bugs | 08:51 |
| gorilla | ikt: oh :-) | 08:51 |
| ikt | but there is some flaming though | 08:52 |
| ikt | even in bug reports | 08:52 |
| xannen | "Are you just stand there and watch me burn? It's all right, 'cause I love the way it hurts." LOL | 08:52 |
| gorilla | ikt: there are those that are socially "underdeveloped" that don't consider what they are saying. | 08:53 |
| ikt | https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/668415 | 08:53 |
| lubotu2 | Launchpad bug 668415 in Ubuntu "Movement of Unity launcher" [Undecided,Won't fix] | 08:53 |
| gorilla | "I love the smell of napalm in the morning" | 08:53 |
| xannen | coffee and mooncake <3 | 08:57 |
| xannen | and watching abc insiders: politics/current affairs gossips and QQ hehe | 08:58 |
| gorilla | ikt: hmmm.. interesting read, if long. perhaps releasing the long term design goal would have helped. | 08:58 |
| ikt | i don't know why they don't want it to be allowed to move | 08:58 |
| ikt | I can understand why they didn't want it to be movable initially | 08:59 |
| ikt | they don't want it to appear like just another dockbar | 08:59 |
| ikt | but I think they should include it for 12.04 or 12.10 | 09:00 |
| ikt | at least as an option | 09:00 |
| head_victim | Might have been an OEM request for all we know | 09:00 |
| gorilla | head_victim: in that case fork it for them! | 09:01 |
| gorilla | perhaps it makes sense for tablets market? | 09:01 |
| head_victim | gorilla: I was just speculating? | 09:01 |
| head_victim | :) | 09:01 |
| gorilla | head_victim: I know :-) | 09:02 |
| ikt | i think was it ben? | 09:03 |
| ikt | who was going to fork it | 09:03 |
| head_victim | No idea sorry. | 09:03 |
| ikt | but then someone posted that they had done it | 09:03 |
| xannen | btw.. is there a canonical support IDE similar to Eclipse/Netbean? | 09:03 |
| ikt | bwright | 09:04 |
| ikt | was going to do it, but we thought someone had done it already | 09:04 |
| ikt | but when I tried to get it to work in vm nothing happened | 09:04 |
| ikt | but bwright had already given up | 09:04 |
| ikt | xannen: i don't think so | 09:05 |
| ikt | most either use vi/gedit/eclipse or emacs or something | 09:05 |
| xannen | what is the popularity on ubuntu for netbean vs eclipse? | 09:06 |
| ikt | check ubuntu software centre ;) | 09:06 |
| ikt | can't find netbean :/ | 09:06 |
| xannen | i can't either :S | 09:07 |
| ikt | eclipse has 5/5 stars though | 09:07 |
| xannen | the main issue i have with netbean is it has commercial influence and backing, i.e. oracle! :( | 09:08 |
| xannen | lol i can't find netbean in synaptic, but i can install eclipse. :D | 09:08 |
| sagaci | yeah, doesn;t look like it's in the ubuntu repos | 09:14 |
| head_victim | Nice to see Precise turning up in the repos already | 09:45 |
| head_victim | 09:45 | |
| sagaci | what was with that | 09:47 |
| head_victim | No idea, apparently my space bar was held down by the books on my desk a bit | 09:49 |
| sagaci | out with one release, onto the rest | 09:52 |
| xannen | lol | 09:53 |
| airtonix | xannen: they recommend you use gedit on steroids | 09:54 |
| sagaci | tempted to change my sources.list to precise | 09:54 |
| xannen | hi airtonix hehe... i will stick to eclipse :D | 09:55 |
| head_victim | I'm going to be setting up a precise VB when this rsync is over | 10:07 |
| sagaci | what, install oneiric then change sources.list? | 10:09 |
| head_victim | Yeah | 10:11 |
| head_victim | Doesn't look to be a lot there currently but I'm sure it will come. | 10:11 |
| sagaci | doesn't look like there's a mini.iso available yet | 10:12 |
| sagaci | next week with be hell for imports/upgrades | 10:12 |
| head_victim | Nah I don't think they've spun any images yet, usually takes a few weeks | 10:13 |
| sagaci | dailies are usually a month+ away | 10:13 |
| xannen | What is this "Precise" source list? | 10:16 |
| head_victim | The Ubuntu Development release - 12.04 is to be called Precise Pangolin | 10:17 |
| xannen | Yay for Mr Pango! <3 | 10:17 |
| xannen | Or Mrs... or sexually-confused.. whatever. <3 Hehehe. | 10:18 |
| xannen | Are LTS much more bug-free and stable than non-LTS? | 10:19 |
| sagaci | xannen, your sources.list has to be precise :P | 10:19 |
| sagaci | xannen, more time is spent in the cycle fixing bugs and longer support time suggests that it's a less buggier | 10:20 |
| xannen | Hehehe. | 10:20 |
| sagaci | also imports are synced from debian testing rather than sid | 10:21 |
| xannen | Is dpkg written in C or C++? | 10:23 |
| xannen | C according to wiki. | 10:23 |
| xannen | So quiet... | 11:03 |
| elky | gorilla, why is my facebook notifications queue getting people requesting to join #ubuntu-au? It's rather annoying... | 11:05 |
| elky | er, take off the # there | 11:06 |
| head_victim | I think that's a result of having to migrate the group to the "new" facebook format | 11:09 |
| head_victim | It's set as an open group and the "only admins can approve requests to join" isn't ticked so not sure why it's doing it actually, was going to poke jaddi when I saw him next. | 11:13 |
| gorilla | elky: I have no idea. | 11:28 |
| gorilla | I'm not sure why we migrated to the new format without some discussion :-/ | 11:29 |
| elky | gorilla, it's facebook, it probably migrated it automatically | 11:33 |
| head_victim | gorilla: it was a mandated change so we had to do something. The options were discussed at the meetings, sorry maybe we should have made it more obvious on the ml as well | 11:34 |
| sagaci | so maybe meeting summary to be emailed to mailing list each time? | 11:35 |
| head_victim | Yeah, brief summary of discussion pointss and links to the meetingology minutes | 11:37 |
| sagaci | yup | 11:37 |
| ikt | meetingology? | 11:38 |
| sagaci | the meeting bot | 11:39 |
| xannen | Yes ikt, the study of meetings. :O | 11:39 |
| gorilla | elky: Not at this staged... it probably will become mandatory though. | 11:40 |
| head_victim | sagaci: I'll add it to the todo list as a follow up | 11:40 |
| gorilla | xannen: Can we disect one?? :-D | 11:40 |
| elky | head_victim, is there a way to not have it spam (aside from being removed as moderator)? | 11:41 |
| xannen | gorilla, you sure can. my favourite meeting to dissect is caucus! :P | 11:41 |
| head_victim | elky: I have no idea, I figured ahving that unchecked and having it as an open group would have | 11:42 |
| head_victim | The notifications options only have "all posts" "friends posts" and "none" nothing about removing those spammy join ones | 11:44 |
| gorilla | that's so annoying!! | 11:49 |
| elky | head_victim, gorilla well i've removed myself as admin, so it should stop annoying me now | 11:50 |
| gorilla | elky: sorry you feel like that. | 11:51 |
| head_victim | We'll let you know when we figure out how to make it go away | 11:52 |
| xannen | What's with this weekend? EVeryone is protesting. | 11:52 |
| gorilla | xannen: it's Occupy Melbourne or Sydney. But it has no direction or what they want changed. | 11:53 |
| xannen | gorilla, so people are protesting for the sake of it? or under mis-impression? | 11:55 |
| gorilla | xannen: It's not a protest but an occupation. :-) The concerns are legitimate, such as big business has too much say in goverment but what should be done about it? | 12:00 |
| xannen | LOL | 12:05 |
| Octatron | gorilla: ban businesses from reaching a certain size or market saturation.. aka what the ACCC is suppose to do | 12:13 |
| Octatron | Also make it illegal for companies to support or pay polititians in any form or force lobbies on them | 12:14 |
| gorilla | Octatron: yeah. The ACCC is a toothless tiger if you are big enough to growl back. | 12:20 |
| Octatron | true, companies are a piece of paper, not people ergo they should not have a say or a vote. esp if the company owners do not live here | 12:22 |
| xannen | We need to give ACCC tiger a "wolverine" mani- pedi-cure. :D | 12:22 |
| head_victim | y | 12:23 |
| Octatron | We always act like the world will end if a company fails, in reality it will bought or replaced by another | 12:23 |
| head_victim | Hmm that was meant for a terminal over there ------> | 12:23 |
| Octatron | I know this convo should be in ubuntu-au-chat, but I don't know the command to move the users across :P | 12:27 |
| xannen | Meh... there's barely any chat in here. So keep the chat going, or it's dead anyway. :P | 12:33 |
| Octatron | xannen: true dat, may the power of facebook democratise the world | 12:34 |
| Octatron | I tell ya what if I had the programming prowess I'd build a website were aussie could view all australian laws and vote for them to be deleted changed or created.. and the results are verified & passed | 12:36 |
| Octatron | legalising pot.. pass | 12:37 |
| Octatron | enforcing all software to be written to work on windows mac and linux ... pass | 12:37 |
| xannen | LOL Octatron. Law works as a package. It's not FKC mixed bucket. Hehehe. | 12:37 |
| Octatron | package? isn't a complex jumble or laws and sub laws all connected and intermingled? | 12:38 |
| xannen | yep that's what I mean. You just can't vote out or in a clause, or there will be "loop holes". | 12:39 |
| Octatron | blasphemy laws ...deleted | 12:39 |
| xannen | Mmm entropy! | 12:40 |
| Octatron | probably need an sql backend and php and ajax for prettyness | 12:40 |
| Octatron | not if it's built correctly | 12:40 |
| xannen | Eww php! | 12:40 |
| Octatron | laws must be built on rules of some sort | 12:40 |
| xannen | Law is never easy. Even with gillard with degree in law and economics. :P | 12:41 |
| head_victim | Octatron & xannen: these sorts of conversations are probably better suited to #ubuntu-au-chat | 12:45 |
| xannen | head_victim, we just pass new law and say it's okay to stay while there is low/no other conversations in chatroom. :D | 12:46 |
| Octatron | I've gotta shoot through anyway I might hop on later though | 12:48 |
| xannen | See you Octatron <3 | 12:49 |
| Octatron | catch ya later xannen, head_victimus :P | 12:50 |
| ikt | head_victim: do you remember a stage when talk in #ubuntu-au was drowning out support questions? | 13:15 |
| ikt | the other question was about those ubuntu au t-shirts :D | 13:18 |
| ikt | I'm about to get my internode t-shirt tomorrow or the next day | 13:18 |
| ikt | sleep time anyway, ttyl | 13:22 |
| xannen | night night itk (late message :P) | 13:33 |
| xannen | ikt* | 13:33 |
| head_victim | ikt: there was a time where it was difficult for newer people to ask on topic questions, yes. | 13:39 |
| xannen | night all! | 13:54 |
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