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benonsoftwareHi all03:30
benonsoftwareSee you all in about a months time03:59
xannenGood Afternoon All!04:12
sagacigood afternoon xannen04:36
xannenI'm "tolerating" unity dual monitor dashboard bug. It's documented.  I hope it gets fixed very soon. :D04:37
xannenMaybe... tomorrow?  LOL04:37
sagacihopefull04:37
Fudgehi what is current kernel for lucid 10.04.3, if anyone is using it04:40
Fudgehead_victim  sup04:42
sagaciFudge: 2.6.32.34.40 in lucid-updates04:46
Fudgesagaci  are you by chance using  it?04:47
Fudgelsmod | grep speakup04:49
sagacinope, just a packages.ubuntu.com search04:50
xannenOMG it's happening again!  Graphics lag.  :S04:57
Fudgetks04:57
xannenhmm...  i stuffed up my ubuntu again.  i uninstall the nvidia driver, installed nouveau, and now it won't boot into login.  :D05:12
Fudgejust a console?05:15
Bodman456Anyone here got experience with merging kernels?05:18
Bodman456I'm working on a port of Ubuntu 11.10 to the TouchPad05:19
Bodman456And I need drivers from 2 kernels to go into the Ubuntu ARM kernel05:19
xannenhi fudge.  nope, i just get a purple screen and it's "stucked".05:24
xannenokay... my gpu driver is rescued, for now. :D05:40
xannenOMG ... 11.10 issues: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Asus_U36JC05:48
sagacihead_victim, so it looks like it's been accepted upstream for xchat06:29
iktanyone played with xubuntu lately?07:50
head_victimI tried it 6 - 12 months ago. I've installed x/k/l and gnome shell in an 11.10 vb though07:53
iktah nice08:08
iktI just checked xubuntu then08:08
iktin vm08:08
iktlooks very similar to ubuntu 10.1008:08
head_victimYeah, it's basically very much a gnome 2.x replacement.08:09
iktthat'll make some people happy08:09
head_victimFor mine I'm happy enough with Unity that the only reason I'd use anything but would be resource issues so Lubuntu is my backup08:09
gorillafor those that don't want to go down the unity path?08:09
head_victimWell it's not an official goal of the project, that's just the vibe I get from it from personal experience.08:10
head_victimsagaci: I might have missed the import timeframe on the previous release.08:22
head_victimAt least it will be there for the LTS08:22
sagacihead_victim, https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric08:33
head_victimYou're on a mission aren't you ;)08:34
gorillahehe.. translating the world? ;-)08:34
sagacii laughed at myself back 8 months ago when I wanted to get close to 100% done08:35
gorillaoh?08:35
head_victimI remember when you were saying "I've no interest in translating stuff I don't use", glad to see that's changed08:35
sagaciyeah, I just installed kubuntu the other day08:36
head_victimOh no! The DARKSIDE08:36
head_victimHeh.08:36
gorillahead_victim: that's kDARKSIDE!08:37
head_victimKarkside?08:37
sagacidarKside08:37
gorillaI wish it would. :-P08:37
xanneni wish openjdk 7 was in main, but it is in universe. :(08:39
head_victimI never understood what it mattered, as long as it was there ;)08:42
* gorilla either.08:42
gorillame either.. rather.08:42
sagaciupdates are arguably quicker when they're in main08:43
sagacibugfix, and such08:43
head_victimI hadn't actually noticed08:44
xannenhead_victim, gorilla, i want to use eclipse, and apparently, it depends on openjdk 6, not 7.  :S  after i installed openjdk 7, and tried to uninstall openjdk 6, it also tries to uninstall my eclipse!  :(08:44
gorillaxannen: that's a packaging bug.. feel free to report it. 08:45
sagacior feel forever guilty if you don't report it :P08:46
xanneni'm sure someone will or already have. :P  i'm too lazy.  :P08:47
gorillaSEP!08:47
head_victimI love linux projects. People actually listen to your feedback and respond. I even file bugs with Android applications and get quick responses every time so far.08:47
gorillahead_victim: I think it's because it's as much or more so a community than a product. Windows land seems to be yeah we know about that bug, we'll fix it some day.08:49
gorillasome day is around when customers are affected by it.08:49
head_victimgorilla: and there's no malice or angst, it's just about making the product better in general.08:49
xannenLOL  no noob flaming?08:50
gorillaxannen: That does happen, regardless of platform.08:51
ikti think he means in regards to fixing bugs08:51
gorillaikt: oh :-)08:51
iktbut there is some flaming though08:52
ikteven in bug reports08:52
xannen"Are you just stand there and watch me burn?  It's all right, 'cause I love the way it hurts."  LOL08:52
gorillaikt: there are those that are socially "underdeveloped" that don't consider what they are saying.08:53
ikthttps://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/66841508:53
lubotu2Launchpad bug 668415 in Ubuntu "Movement of Unity launcher" [Undecided,Won't fix]08:53
gorilla"I love the smell of napalm in the morning" 08:53
xannencoffee and mooncake <308:57
xannenand watching abc insiders: politics/current affairs gossips and QQ  hehe08:58
gorillaikt: hmmm.. interesting read, if long. perhaps releasing the long term design goal would have helped.08:58
ikti don't know why they don't want it to be allowed to move08:58
iktI can understand why they didn't want it to be movable initially08:59
iktthey don't want it to appear like just another dockbar08:59
iktbut I think they should include it for 12.04 or 12.1009:00
iktat least as an option09:00
head_victimMight have been an OEM request for all we know09:00
gorillahead_victim: in that case fork it for them!09:01
gorillaperhaps it makes sense for tablets market?09:01
head_victimgorilla: I was just speculating?09:01
head_victim:)09:01
gorillahead_victim: I know :-)09:02
ikti think was it ben?09:03
iktwho was going to fork it09:03
head_victimNo idea sorry.09:03
iktbut then someone posted that they had done it09:03
xannenbtw.. is there a canonical support IDE similar to Eclipse/Netbean?09:03
iktbwright09:04
iktwas going to do it, but we thought someone had done it already09:04
iktbut when I tried to get it to work in vm nothing happened09:04
iktbut bwright had already given up09:04
iktxannen: i don't think so09:05
iktmost either use vi/gedit/eclipse or emacs or something09:05
xannenwhat is the popularity on ubuntu for netbean vs eclipse?09:06
iktcheck ubuntu software centre ;)09:06
iktcan't find netbean :/09:06
xanneni can't either :S09:07
ikteclipse has 5/5 stars though09:07
xannenthe main issue i have with netbean is it has commercial influence and backing, i.e. oracle!  :(09:08
xannenlol i can't find netbean in synaptic, but i can install eclipse. :D09:08
sagaciyeah, doesn;t look like it's in the ubuntu repos09:14
head_victimNice to see Precise turning up in the repos already                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            09:45
head_victim              09:45
sagaciwhat was with that09:47
head_victimNo idea, apparently my space bar was held down by the books on my desk a bit09:49
sagaciout with one release, onto the rest09:52
xannenlol09:53
airtonixxannen: they recommend you use gedit on steroids09:54
sagacitempted to change my sources.list to precise09:54
xannenhi airtonix hehe...  i will stick to eclipse :D09:55
head_victimI'm going to be setting up a precise VB when this rsync is over10:07
sagaciwhat, install oneiric then change sources.list?10:09
head_victimYeah10:11
head_victimDoesn't look to be a lot there currently but I'm sure it will come.10:11
sagacidoesn't look like there's a mini.iso available yet10:12
sagacinext week with be hell for imports/upgrades10:12
head_victimNah I don't think they've spun any images yet, usually takes a few weeks10:13
sagacidailies are usually a month+ away10:13
xannenWhat is this "Precise" source list?10:16
head_victimThe Ubuntu Development release - 12.04 is to be called Precise Pangolin10:17
xannenYay for Mr Pango!  <310:17
xannenOr Mrs... or sexually-confused.. whatever. <3  Hehehe.10:18
xannenAre LTS much more bug-free and stable than non-LTS?10:19
sagacixannen, your sources.list has to be precise :P10:19
sagacixannen, more time is spent in the cycle fixing bugs and longer support time suggests that it's a less buggier10:20
xannenHehehe.10:20
sagacialso imports are synced from debian testing rather than sid10:21
xannenIs dpkg written in C or C++?10:23
xannenC according to wiki.10:23
xannenSo quiet...11:03
elkygorilla, why is my facebook notifications queue getting people requesting to join #ubuntu-au? It's rather annoying...11:05
elkyer, take off the # there11:06
head_victimI think that's a result of having to migrate the group to the "new" facebook format11:09
head_victimIt's set as an open group and the "only admins can approve requests to join" isn't ticked so not sure why it's doing it actually, was going to poke jaddi when I saw him next.11:13
gorillaelky: I have no idea.11:28
gorillaI'm not sure why we migrated to the new format without some discussion :-/11:29
elkygorilla, it's facebook, it probably migrated it automatically11:33
head_victimgorilla: it was a mandated change so we had to do something. The options were discussed at the meetings, sorry maybe we should have made it more obvious on the ml as well11:34
sagaciso maybe meeting summary to be emailed to mailing list each time?11:35
head_victimYeah, brief summary of discussion pointss and links to the meetingology minutes11:37
sagaciyup11:37
iktmeetingology?11:38
sagacithe meeting bot11:39
xannenYes ikt, the study of meetings.  :O11:39
gorillaelky: Not at this staged... it probably will become mandatory though.11:40
head_victimsagaci: I'll add it to the todo list as a follow up11:40
gorillaxannen: Can we disect one?? :-D11:40
elkyhead_victim, is there a way to not have it spam (aside from being removed as moderator)?11:41
xannengorilla, you sure can.  my favourite meeting to dissect is caucus!  :P11:41
head_victimelky: I have no idea, I figured ahving that unchecked and having it as an open group would have11:42
head_victimThe notifications options only have "all posts" "friends posts" and "none" nothing about removing those spammy join ones11:44
gorillathat's so annoying!!11:49
elkyhead_victim, gorilla well i've removed myself as admin, so it should stop annoying me now11:50
gorillaelky: sorry you feel like that.11:51
head_victimWe'll let you know when we figure out how to make it go away11:52
xannenWhat's with this weekend?  EVeryone is protesting.11:52
gorillaxannen: it's Occupy Melbourne or Sydney. But it has no direction or what they want changed.11:53
xannengorilla, so people are protesting for the sake of it?  or under mis-impression?11:55
gorillaxannen: It's not a protest but an occupation. :-) The concerns are legitimate, such as big business has too much say in goverment but what should be done about it?12:00
xannenLOL12:05
Octatrongorilla: ban businesses from reaching a certain size or market saturation.. aka what the ACCC is suppose to do12:13
OctatronAlso make it illegal for companies to support or pay polititians in any form or force lobbies on them12:14
gorillaOctatron: yeah. The ACCC is a toothless tiger if you are big enough to growl back.12:20
Octatrontrue, companies are a piece of paper, not people ergo they should not have a say or a vote.  esp if the company owners do not live here12:22
xannenWe need to give ACCC tiger a "wolverine" mani- pedi-cure.  :D12:22
head_victimy12:23
OctatronWe always act like the world will end if a company fails, in reality it will bought or replaced by another12:23
head_victimHmm that was meant for a terminal over there ------>12:23
OctatronI know this convo should be in ubuntu-au-chat, but I don't know the command to move the users across :P12:27
xannenMeh... there's barely any chat in here.  So keep the chat going, or it's dead anyway.  :P12:33
Octatronxannen: true dat, may the power of facebook democratise the world12:34
OctatronI tell ya what if I had the programming prowess I'd build a website were aussie could view all australian laws and vote for them to be deleted changed or created.. and the results are verified & passed12:36
Octatronlegalising pot.. pass12:37
Octatronenforcing all software to be written to work on windows mac and linux ... pass12:37
xannenLOL Octatron.  Law works as a package.  It's not FKC mixed bucket.  Hehehe.12:37
Octatronpackage? isn't a complex jumble or laws and sub laws all connected and intermingled?12:38
xannenyep that's what I mean.  You just can't vote out or in a clause, or there will be "loop holes".12:39
Octatronblasphemy laws ...deleted12:39
xannenMmm entropy!12:40
Octatronprobably need an sql backend and php and ajax for prettyness12:40
Octatronnot if it's built correctly12:40
xannenEww php!12:40
Octatronlaws must be built on rules of some sort12:40
xannenLaw is never easy.  Even with gillard with degree in law and economics.  :P12:41
head_victimOctatron & xannen: these sorts of conversations are probably better suited to #ubuntu-au-chat12:45
xannenhead_victim, we just pass new law and say it's okay to stay while there is low/no other conversations in chatroom. :D12:46
OctatronI've gotta shoot through anyway I might hop on later though12:48
xannenSee you Octatron <312:49
Octatroncatch ya later xannen, head_victimus :P12:50
ikthead_victim: do you remember a stage when talk in #ubuntu-au was drowning out support questions?13:15
iktthe other question was about those ubuntu au t-shirts :D13:18
iktI'm about to get my internode t-shirt tomorrow or the next day13:18
iktsleep time anyway, ttyl13:22
xannennight night itk (late message :P)13:33
xannenikt*13:33
head_victimikt: there was a time where it was difficult for newer people to ask on topic questions, yes.13:39
xannennight all!13:54

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