[03:30] Hi all [03:59] See you all in about a months time [04:12] Good Afternoon All! [04:36] good afternoon xannen [04:37] I'm "tolerating" unity dual monitor dashboard bug. It's documented. I hope it gets fixed very soon. :D [04:37] Maybe... tomorrow? LOL [04:37] hopefull [04:40] hi what is current kernel for lucid 10.04.3, if anyone is using it [04:42] head_victim sup [04:46] Fudge: 2.6.32.34.40 in lucid-updates [04:47] sagaci are you by chance using it? [04:49] lsmod | grep speakup [04:50] nope, just a packages.ubuntu.com search [04:57] OMG it's happening again! Graphics lag. :S [04:57] tks [05:12] hmm... i stuffed up my ubuntu again. i uninstall the nvidia driver, installed nouveau, and now it won't boot into login. :D [05:15] just a console? [05:18] Anyone here got experience with merging kernels? [05:19] I'm working on a port of Ubuntu 11.10 to the TouchPad [05:19] And I need drivers from 2 kernels to go into the Ubuntu ARM kernel [05:24] hi fudge. nope, i just get a purple screen and it's "stucked". [05:40] okay... my gpu driver is rescued, for now. :D [05:48] OMG ... 11.10 issues: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Asus_U36JC [06:29] head_victim, so it looks like it's been accepted upstream for xchat [07:50] anyone played with xubuntu lately? [07:53] I tried it 6 - 12 months ago. I've installed x/k/l and gnome shell in an 11.10 vb though [08:08] ah nice [08:08] I just checked xubuntu then [08:08] in vm [08:08] looks very similar to ubuntu 10.10 [08:09] Yeah, it's basically very much a gnome 2.x replacement. [08:09] that'll make some people happy [08:09] For mine I'm happy enough with Unity that the only reason I'd use anything but would be resource issues so Lubuntu is my backup [08:09] for those that don't want to go down the unity path? [08:10] Well it's not an official goal of the project, that's just the vibe I get from it from personal experience. [08:22] sagaci: I might have missed the import timeframe on the previous release. [08:22] At least it will be there for the LTS [08:33] head_victim, https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric [08:34] You're on a mission aren't you ;) [08:34] hehe.. translating the world? ;-) [08:35] i laughed at myself back 8 months ago when I wanted to get close to 100% done [08:35] oh? [08:35] I remember when you were saying "I've no interest in translating stuff I don't use", glad to see that's changed [08:36] yeah, I just installed kubuntu the other day [08:36] Oh no! The DARKSIDE [08:36] Heh. [08:37] head_victim: that's kDARKSIDE! [08:37] Karkside? [08:37] darKside [08:37] I wish it would. :-P [08:39] i wish openjdk 7 was in main, but it is in universe. :( [08:42] I never understood what it mattered, as long as it was there ;) [08:42] * gorilla either. [08:42] me either.. rather. [08:43] updates are arguably quicker when they're in main [08:43] bugfix, and such [08:44] I hadn't actually noticed [08:44] head_victim, gorilla, i want to use eclipse, and apparently, it depends on openjdk 6, not 7. :S after i installed openjdk 7, and tried to uninstall openjdk 6, it also tries to uninstall my eclipse! :( [08:45] xannen: that's a packaging bug.. feel free to report it. [08:46] or feel forever guilty if you don't report it :P [08:47] i'm sure someone will or already have. :P i'm too lazy. :P [08:47] SEP! [08:47] I love linux projects. People actually listen to your feedback and respond. I even file bugs with Android applications and get quick responses every time so far. [08:49] head_victim: I think it's because it's as much or more so a community than a product. Windows land seems to be yeah we know about that bug, we'll fix it some day. [08:49] some day is around when customers are affected by it. [08:49] gorilla: and there's no malice or angst, it's just about making the product better in general. [08:50] LOL no noob flaming? [08:51] xannen: That does happen, regardless of platform. [08:51] i think he means in regards to fixing bugs [08:51] ikt: oh :-) [08:52] but there is some flaming though [08:52] even in bug reports [08:52] "Are you just stand there and watch me burn? It's all right, 'cause I love the way it hurts." LOL [08:53] ikt: there are those that are socially "underdeveloped" that don't consider what they are saying. [08:53] https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/668415 [08:53] Launchpad bug 668415 in Ubuntu "Movement of Unity launcher" [Undecided,Won't fix] [08:53] "I love the smell of napalm in the morning" [08:57] coffee and mooncake <3 [08:58] and watching abc insiders: politics/current affairs gossips and QQ hehe [08:58] ikt: hmmm.. interesting read, if long. perhaps releasing the long term design goal would have helped. [08:58] i don't know why they don't want it to be allowed to move [08:59] I can understand why they didn't want it to be movable initially [08:59] they don't want it to appear like just another dockbar [09:00] but I think they should include it for 12.04 or 12.10 [09:00] at least as an option [09:00] Might have been an OEM request for all we know [09:01] head_victim: in that case fork it for them! [09:01] perhaps it makes sense for tablets market? [09:01] gorilla: I was just speculating? [09:01] :) [09:02] head_victim: I know :-) [09:03] i think was it ben? [09:03] who was going to fork it [09:03] No idea sorry. [09:03] but then someone posted that they had done it [09:03] btw.. is there a canonical support IDE similar to Eclipse/Netbean? [09:04] bwright [09:04] was going to do it, but we thought someone had done it already [09:04] but when I tried to get it to work in vm nothing happened [09:04] but bwright had already given up [09:05] xannen: i don't think so [09:05] most either use vi/gedit/eclipse or emacs or something [09:06] what is the popularity on ubuntu for netbean vs eclipse? [09:06] check ubuntu software centre ;) [09:06] can't find netbean :/ [09:07] i can't either :S [09:07] eclipse has 5/5 stars though [09:08] the main issue i have with netbean is it has commercial influence and backing, i.e. oracle! :( [09:08] lol i can't find netbean in synaptic, but i can install eclipse. :D [09:14] yeah, doesn;t look like it's in the ubuntu repos [09:45] Nice to see Precise turning up in the repos already [09:45] [09:47] what was with that [09:49] No idea, apparently my space bar was held down by the books on my desk a bit [09:52] out with one release, onto the rest [09:53] lol [09:54] xannen: they recommend you use gedit on steroids [09:54] tempted to change my sources.list to precise [09:55] hi airtonix hehe... i will stick to eclipse :D [10:07] I'm going to be setting up a precise VB when this rsync is over [10:09] what, install oneiric then change sources.list? [10:11] Yeah [10:11] Doesn't look to be a lot there currently but I'm sure it will come. [10:12] doesn't look like there's a mini.iso available yet [10:12] next week with be hell for imports/upgrades [10:13] Nah I don't think they've spun any images yet, usually takes a few weeks [10:13] dailies are usually a month+ away [10:16] What is this "Precise" source list? [10:17] The Ubuntu Development release - 12.04 is to be called Precise Pangolin [10:17] Yay for Mr Pango! <3 [10:18] Or Mrs... or sexually-confused.. whatever. <3 Hehehe. [10:19] Are LTS much more bug-free and stable than non-LTS? [10:19] xannen, your sources.list has to be precise :P [10:20] xannen, more time is spent in the cycle fixing bugs and longer support time suggests that it's a less buggier [10:20] Hehehe. [10:21] also imports are synced from debian testing rather than sid [10:23] Is dpkg written in C or C++? [10:23] C according to wiki. [11:03] So quiet... [11:05] gorilla, why is my facebook notifications queue getting people requesting to join #ubuntu-au? It's rather annoying... [11:06] er, take off the # there [11:09] I think that's a result of having to migrate the group to the "new" facebook format [11:13] It's set as an open group and the "only admins can approve requests to join" isn't ticked so not sure why it's doing it actually, was going to poke jaddi when I saw him next. [11:28] elky: I have no idea. [11:29] I'm not sure why we migrated to the new format without some discussion :-/ [11:33] gorilla, it's facebook, it probably migrated it automatically [11:34] gorilla: it was a mandated change so we had to do something. The options were discussed at the meetings, sorry maybe we should have made it more obvious on the ml as well [11:35] so maybe meeting summary to be emailed to mailing list each time? [11:37] Yeah, brief summary of discussion pointss and links to the meetingology minutes [11:37] yup [11:38] meetingology? [11:39] the meeting bot [11:39] Yes ikt, the study of meetings. :O [11:40] elky: Not at this staged... it probably will become mandatory though. [11:40] sagaci: I'll add it to the todo list as a follow up [11:40] xannen: Can we disect one?? :-D [11:41] head_victim, is there a way to not have it spam (aside from being removed as moderator)? [11:41] gorilla, you sure can. my favourite meeting to dissect is caucus! :P [11:42] elky: I have no idea, I figured ahving that unchecked and having it as an open group would have [11:44] The notifications options only have "all posts" "friends posts" and "none" nothing about removing those spammy join ones [11:49] that's so annoying!! [11:50] head_victim, gorilla well i've removed myself as admin, so it should stop annoying me now [11:51] elky: sorry you feel like that. [11:52] We'll let you know when we figure out how to make it go away [11:52] What's with this weekend? EVeryone is protesting. [11:53] xannen: it's Occupy Melbourne or Sydney. But it has no direction or what they want changed. [11:55] gorilla, so people are protesting for the sake of it? or under mis-impression? [12:00] xannen: It's not a protest but an occupation. :-) The concerns are legitimate, such as big business has too much say in goverment but what should be done about it? [12:05] LOL [12:13] gorilla: ban businesses from reaching a certain size or market saturation.. aka what the ACCC is suppose to do [12:14] Also make it illegal for companies to support or pay polititians in any form or force lobbies on them [12:20] Octatron: yeah. The ACCC is a toothless tiger if you are big enough to growl back. [12:22] true, companies are a piece of paper, not people ergo they should not have a say or a vote. esp if the company owners do not live here [12:22] We need to give ACCC tiger a "wolverine" mani- pedi-cure. :D [12:23] y [12:23] We always act like the world will end if a company fails, in reality it will bought or replaced by another [12:23] Hmm that was meant for a terminal over there ------> [12:27] I know this convo should be in ubuntu-au-chat, but I don't know the command to move the users across :P [12:33] Meh... there's barely any chat in here. So keep the chat going, or it's dead anyway. :P [12:34] xannen: true dat, may the power of facebook democratise the world [12:36] I tell ya what if I had the programming prowess I'd build a website were aussie could view all australian laws and vote for them to be deleted changed or created.. and the results are verified & passed [12:37] legalising pot.. pass [12:37] enforcing all software to be written to work on windows mac and linux ... pass [12:37] LOL Octatron. Law works as a package. It's not FKC mixed bucket. Hehehe. [12:38] package? isn't a complex jumble or laws and sub laws all connected and intermingled? [12:39] yep that's what I mean. You just can't vote out or in a clause, or there will be "loop holes". [12:39] blasphemy laws ...deleted [12:40] Mmm entropy! [12:40] probably need an sql backend and php and ajax for prettyness [12:40] not if it's built correctly [12:40] Eww php! [12:40] laws must be built on rules of some sort [12:41] Law is never easy. Even with gillard with degree in law and economics. :P [12:45] Octatron & xannen: these sorts of conversations are probably better suited to #ubuntu-au-chat [12:46] head_victim, we just pass new law and say it's okay to stay while there is low/no other conversations in chatroom. :D [12:48] I've gotta shoot through anyway I might hop on later though [12:49] See you Octatron <3 [12:50] catch ya later xannen, head_victimus :P [13:15] head_victim: do you remember a stage when talk in #ubuntu-au was drowning out support questions? [13:18] the other question was about those ubuntu au t-shirts :D [13:18] I'm about to get my internode t-shirt tomorrow or the next day [13:22] sleep time anyway, ttyl [13:33] night night itk (late message :P) [13:33] ikt* [13:39] ikt: there was a time where it was difficult for newer people to ask on topic questions, yes. [13:54] night all!