[03:30] <benonsoftware> Hi all
[03:59] <benonsoftware> See you all in about a months time
[04:12] <xannen> Good Afternoon All!
[04:36] <sagaci> good afternoon xannen
[04:37] <xannen> I'm "tolerating" unity dual monitor dashboard bug. It's documented.  I hope it gets fixed very soon. :D
[04:37] <xannen> Maybe... tomorrow?  LOL
[04:37] <sagaci> hopefull
[04:40] <Fudge> hi what is current kernel for lucid 10.04.3, if anyone is using it
[04:42] <Fudge> head_victim  sup
[04:46] <sagaci> Fudge: 2.6.32.34.40 in lucid-updates
[04:47] <Fudge> sagaci  are you by chance using  it?
[04:49] <Fudge> lsmod | grep speakup
[04:50] <sagaci> nope, just a packages.ubuntu.com search
[04:57] <xannen> OMG it's happening again!  Graphics lag.  :S
[04:57] <Fudge> tks
[05:12] <xannen> hmm...  i stuffed up my ubuntu again.  i uninstall the nvidia driver, installed nouveau, and now it won't boot into login.  :D
[05:15] <Fudge> just a console?
[05:18] <Bodman456> Anyone here got experience with merging kernels?
[05:19] <Bodman456> I'm working on a port of Ubuntu 11.10 to the TouchPad
[05:19] <Bodman456> And I need drivers from 2 kernels to go into the Ubuntu ARM kernel
[05:24] <xannen> hi fudge.  nope, i just get a purple screen and it's "stucked".
[05:40] <xannen> okay... my gpu driver is rescued, for now. :D
[05:48] <xannen> OMG ... 11.10 issues: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Asus_U36JC
[06:29] <sagaci> head_victim, so it looks like it's been accepted upstream for xchat
[07:50] <ikt> anyone played with xubuntu lately?
[07:53] <head_victim> I tried it 6 - 12 months ago. I've installed x/k/l and gnome shell in an 11.10 vb though
[08:08] <ikt> ah nice
[08:08] <ikt> I just checked xubuntu then
[08:08] <ikt> in vm
[08:08] <ikt> looks very similar to ubuntu 10.10
[08:09] <head_victim> Yeah, it's basically very much a gnome 2.x replacement.
[08:09] <ikt> that'll make some people happy
[08:09] <head_victim> For mine I'm happy enough with Unity that the only reason I'd use anything but would be resource issues so Lubuntu is my backup
[08:09] <gorilla> for those that don't want to go down the unity path?
[08:10] <head_victim> Well it's not an official goal of the project, that's just the vibe I get from it from personal experience.
[08:22] <head_victim> sagaci: I might have missed the import timeframe on the previous release.
[08:22] <head_victim> At least it will be there for the LTS
[08:33] <sagaci> head_victim, https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric
[08:34] <head_victim> You're on a mission aren't you ;)
[08:34] <gorilla> hehe.. translating the world? ;-)
[08:35] <sagaci> i laughed at myself back 8 months ago when I wanted to get close to 100% done
[08:35] <gorilla> oh?
[08:35] <head_victim> I remember when you were saying "I've no interest in translating stuff I don't use", glad to see that's changed
[08:36] <sagaci> yeah, I just installed kubuntu the other day
[08:36] <head_victim> Oh no! The DARKSIDE
[08:36] <head_victim> Heh.
[08:37] <gorilla> head_victim: that's kDARKSIDE!
[08:37] <head_victim> Karkside?
[08:37] <sagaci> darKside
[08:37] <gorilla> I wish it would. :-P
[08:39] <xannen> i wish openjdk 7 was in main, but it is in universe. :(
[08:42] <head_victim> I never understood what it mattered, as long as it was there ;)
[08:42]  * gorilla either.
[08:42] <gorilla> me either.. rather.
[08:43] <sagaci> updates are arguably quicker when they're in main
[08:43] <sagaci> bugfix, and such
[08:44] <head_victim> I hadn't actually noticed
[08:44] <xannen> head_victim, gorilla, i want to use eclipse, and apparently, it depends on openjdk 6, not 7.  :S  after i installed openjdk 7, and tried to uninstall openjdk 6, it also tries to uninstall my eclipse!  :(
[08:45] <gorilla> xannen: that's a packaging bug.. feel free to report it. 
[08:46] <sagaci> or feel forever guilty if you don't report it :P
[08:47] <xannen> i'm sure someone will or already have. :P  i'm too lazy.  :P
[08:47] <gorilla> SEP!
[08:47] <head_victim> I love linux projects. People actually listen to your feedback and respond. I even file bugs with Android applications and get quick responses every time so far.
[08:49] <gorilla> head_victim: I think it's because it's as much or more so a community than a product. Windows land seems to be yeah we know about that bug, we'll fix it some day.
[08:49] <gorilla> some day is around when customers are affected by it.
[08:49] <head_victim> gorilla: and there's no malice or angst, it's just about making the product better in general.
[08:50] <xannen> LOL  no noob flaming?
[08:51] <gorilla> xannen: That does happen, regardless of platform.
[08:51] <ikt> i think he means in regards to fixing bugs
[08:51] <gorilla> ikt: oh :-)
[08:52] <ikt> but there is some flaming though
[08:52] <ikt> even in bug reports
[08:52] <xannen> "Are you just stand there and watch me burn?  It's all right, 'cause I love the way it hurts."  LOL
[08:53] <gorilla> ikt: there are those that are socially "underdeveloped" that don't consider what they are saying.
[08:53] <ikt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/668415
[08:53] <gorilla> "I love the smell of napalm in the morning" 
[08:57] <xannen> coffee and mooncake <3
[08:58] <xannen> and watching abc insiders: politics/current affairs gossips and QQ  hehe
[08:58] <gorilla> ikt: hmmm.. interesting read, if long. perhaps releasing the long term design goal would have helped.
[08:58] <ikt> i don't know why they don't want it to be allowed to move
[08:59] <ikt> I can understand why they didn't want it to be movable initially
[08:59] <ikt> they don't want it to appear like just another dockbar
[09:00] <ikt> but I think they should include it for 12.04 or 12.10
[09:00] <ikt> at least as an option
[09:00] <head_victim> Might have been an OEM request for all we know
[09:01] <gorilla> head_victim: in that case fork it for them!
[09:01] <gorilla> perhaps it makes sense for tablets market?
[09:01] <head_victim> gorilla: I was just speculating?
[09:01] <head_victim> :)
[09:02] <gorilla> head_victim: I know :-)
[09:03] <ikt> i think was it ben?
[09:03] <ikt> who was going to fork it
[09:03] <head_victim> No idea sorry.
[09:03] <ikt> but then someone posted that they had done it
[09:03] <xannen> btw.. is there a canonical support IDE similar to Eclipse/Netbean?
[09:04] <ikt> bwright
[09:04] <ikt> was going to do it, but we thought someone had done it already
[09:04] <ikt> but when I tried to get it to work in vm nothing happened
[09:04] <ikt> but bwright had already given up
[09:05] <ikt> xannen: i don't think so
[09:05] <ikt> most either use vi/gedit/eclipse or emacs or something
[09:06] <xannen> what is the popularity on ubuntu for netbean vs eclipse?
[09:06] <ikt> check ubuntu software centre ;)
[09:06] <ikt> can't find netbean :/
[09:07] <xannen> i can't either :S
[09:07] <ikt> eclipse has 5/5 stars though
[09:08] <xannen> the main issue i have with netbean is it has commercial influence and backing, i.e. oracle!  :(
[09:08] <xannen> lol i can't find netbean in synaptic, but i can install eclipse. :D
[09:14] <sagaci> yeah, doesn;t look like it's in the ubuntu repos
[09:45] <head_victim> Nice to see Precise turning up in the repos already                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
[09:45] <head_victim>               
[09:47] <sagaci> what was with that
[09:49] <head_victim> No idea, apparently my space bar was held down by the books on my desk a bit
[09:52] <sagaci> out with one release, onto the rest
[09:53] <xannen> lol
[09:54] <airtonix> xannen: they recommend you use gedit on steroids
[09:54] <sagaci> tempted to change my sources.list to precise
[09:55] <xannen> hi airtonix hehe...  i will stick to eclipse :D
[10:07] <head_victim> I'm going to be setting up a precise VB when this rsync is over
[10:09] <sagaci> what, install oneiric then change sources.list?
[10:11] <head_victim> Yeah
[10:11] <head_victim> Doesn't look to be a lot there currently but I'm sure it will come.
[10:12] <sagaci> doesn't look like there's a mini.iso available yet
[10:12] <sagaci> next week with be hell for imports/upgrades
[10:13] <head_victim> Nah I don't think they've spun any images yet, usually takes a few weeks
[10:13] <sagaci> dailies are usually a month+ away
[10:16] <xannen> What is this "Precise" source list?
[10:17] <head_victim> The Ubuntu Development release - 12.04 is to be called Precise Pangolin
[10:17] <xannen> Yay for Mr Pango!  <3
[10:18] <xannen> Or Mrs... or sexually-confused.. whatever. <3  Hehehe.
[10:19] <xannen> Are LTS much more bug-free and stable than non-LTS?
[10:19] <sagaci> xannen, your sources.list has to be precise :P
[10:20] <sagaci> xannen, more time is spent in the cycle fixing bugs and longer support time suggests that it's a less buggier
[10:20] <xannen> Hehehe.
[10:21] <sagaci> also imports are synced from debian testing rather than sid
[10:23] <xannen> Is dpkg written in C or C++?
[10:23] <xannen> C according to wiki.
[11:03] <xannen> So quiet...
[11:05] <elky> gorilla, why is my facebook notifications queue getting people requesting to join #ubuntu-au? It's rather annoying...
[11:06] <elky> er, take off the # there
[11:09] <head_victim> I think that's a result of having to migrate the group to the "new" facebook format
[11:13] <head_victim> It's set as an open group and the "only admins can approve requests to join" isn't ticked so not sure why it's doing it actually, was going to poke jaddi when I saw him next.
[11:28] <gorilla> elky: I have no idea.
[11:29] <gorilla> I'm not sure why we migrated to the new format without some discussion :-/
[11:33] <elky> gorilla, it's facebook, it probably migrated it automatically
[11:34] <head_victim> gorilla: it was a mandated change so we had to do something. The options were discussed at the meetings, sorry maybe we should have made it more obvious on the ml as well
[11:35] <sagaci> so maybe meeting summary to be emailed to mailing list each time?
[11:37] <head_victim> Yeah, brief summary of discussion pointss and links to the meetingology minutes
[11:37] <sagaci> yup
[11:38] <ikt> meetingology?
[11:39] <sagaci> the meeting bot
[11:39] <xannen> Yes ikt, the study of meetings.  :O
[11:40] <gorilla> elky: Not at this staged... it probably will become mandatory though.
[11:40] <head_victim> sagaci: I'll add it to the todo list as a follow up
[11:40] <gorilla> xannen: Can we disect one?? :-D
[11:41] <elky> head_victim, is there a way to not have it spam (aside from being removed as moderator)?
[11:41] <xannen> gorilla, you sure can.  my favourite meeting to dissect is caucus!  :P
[11:42] <head_victim> elky: I have no idea, I figured ahving that unchecked and having it as an open group would have
[11:44] <head_victim> The notifications options only have "all posts" "friends posts" and "none" nothing about removing those spammy join ones
[11:49] <gorilla> that's so annoying!!
[11:50] <elky> head_victim, gorilla well i've removed myself as admin, so it should stop annoying me now
[11:51] <gorilla> elky: sorry you feel like that.
[11:52] <head_victim> We'll let you know when we figure out how to make it go away
[11:52] <xannen> What's with this weekend?  EVeryone is protesting.
[11:53] <gorilla> xannen: it's Occupy Melbourne or Sydney. But it has no direction or what they want changed.
[11:55] <xannen> gorilla, so people are protesting for the sake of it?  or under mis-impression?
[12:00] <gorilla> xannen: It's not a protest but an occupation. :-) The concerns are legitimate, such as big business has too much say in goverment but what should be done about it?
[12:05] <xannen> LOL
[12:13] <Octatron> gorilla: ban businesses from reaching a certain size or market saturation.. aka what the ACCC is suppose to do
[12:14] <Octatron> Also make it illegal for companies to support or pay polititians in any form or force lobbies on them
[12:20] <gorilla> Octatron: yeah. The ACCC is a toothless tiger if you are big enough to growl back.
[12:22] <Octatron> true, companies are a piece of paper, not people ergo they should not have a say or a vote.  esp if the company owners do not live here
[12:22] <xannen> We need to give ACCC tiger a "wolverine" mani- pedi-cure.  :D
[12:23] <head_victim> y
[12:23] <Octatron> We always act like the world will end if a company fails, in reality it will bought or replaced by another
[12:23] <head_victim> Hmm that was meant for a terminal over there ------>
[12:27] <Octatron> I know this convo should be in ubuntu-au-chat, but I don't know the command to move the users across :P
[12:33] <xannen> Meh... there's barely any chat in here.  So keep the chat going, or it's dead anyway.  :P
[12:34] <Octatron> xannen: true dat, may the power of facebook democratise the world
[12:36] <Octatron> I tell ya what if I had the programming prowess I'd build a website were aussie could view all australian laws and vote for them to be deleted changed or created.. and the results are verified & passed
[12:37] <Octatron> legalising pot.. pass
[12:37] <Octatron> enforcing all software to be written to work on windows mac and linux ... pass
[12:37] <xannen> LOL Octatron.  Law works as a package.  It's not FKC mixed bucket.  Hehehe.
[12:38] <Octatron> package? isn't a complex jumble or laws and sub laws all connected and intermingled?
[12:39] <xannen> yep that's what I mean.  You just can't vote out or in a clause, or there will be "loop holes".
[12:39] <Octatron> blasphemy laws ...deleted
[12:40] <xannen> Mmm entropy!
[12:40] <Octatron> probably need an sql backend and php and ajax for prettyness
[12:40] <Octatron> not if it's built correctly
[12:40] <xannen> Eww php!
[12:40] <Octatron> laws must be built on rules of some sort
[12:41] <xannen> Law is never easy.  Even with gillard with degree in law and economics.  :P
[12:45] <head_victim> Octatron & xannen: these sorts of conversations are probably better suited to #ubuntu-au-chat
[12:46] <xannen> head_victim, we just pass new law and say it's okay to stay while there is low/no other conversations in chatroom. :D
[12:48] <Octatron> I've gotta shoot through anyway I might hop on later though
[12:49] <xannen> See you Octatron <3
[12:50] <Octatron> catch ya later xannen, head_victimus :P
[13:15] <ikt> head_victim: do you remember a stage when talk in #ubuntu-au was drowning out support questions?
[13:18] <ikt> the other question was about those ubuntu au t-shirts :D
[13:18] <ikt> I'm about to get my internode t-shirt tomorrow or the next day
[13:22] <ikt> sleep time anyway, ttyl
[13:33] <xannen> night night itk (late message :P)
[13:33] <xannen> ikt*
[13:39] <head_victim> ikt: there was a time where it was difficult for newer people to ask on topic questions, yes.
[13:54] <xannen> night all!