[00:22] <trojanerPT> hey?
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[00:44] <Drakmor> Hey guys, I've been trying to get ubuntu studio 10.04 working for the last couple of hours and its not working out. The install was okay, but I have no ethernet connection (though I did during the install), and only my usb headset is detected  but not my integrated soundcard. Anyone have any ideas why?
[00:45] <Drakmor> I've dug around all over but nothing I found worked :/
[00:52] <texaswriter> Ubuntu studio's networking interface any different then Ubuntu's?
[00:53] <Drakmor> I honestly have no idea... I've only used kubuntu prior to this
[00:53] <Drakmor> I tried a fresh install of ubuntu 10.04 as well
[00:53] <Drakmor> but got the same thing
[00:53] <Drakmor> it definitely had networking during the install though- it said it was downloading things
[00:58] <texaswriter> So: 1) notebook/desktop/etc and any specifics about 2) type of internet connection; 3) pastebin the results of ifconfig
[00:59] <Drakmor> desktop- i7 2600k, nvidia 560ti, asus z68-v pro, pretty sure its broadband
[00:59] <Drakmor> to get the paste, I'd have to reboot, but all it gives me is lo and lo loopback something
[01:00] <Drakmor> one second
[01:00] <Drakmor> iface lo inet loopback is the other oen
[01:00] <Drakmor> *one
[01:00] <texaswriter> pastebin the results, you might have to type them.
[01:00] <Drakmor> okay
[01:01] <Drakmor> be back in a few
[01:05] <Drakmor> http://pastebin.com/TKy0BK18
[01:05] <Drakmor> there ya go
[01:12] <texaswriter> whoops can you try ifconfig -a
[01:12] <texaswriter> and these commands
[01:14] <texaswriter> It's getting rare that wireless doesn't work right outside of the box, but i've never had ethernet not work.
[01:15] <Drakmor> yeah, I was sorta surprised. I would try a newer version, but 10.04 is apparently the most recent version with some form of realtime kernel
[01:15] <texaswriter> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1244898
[01:16] <Drakmor> thanks
[01:16] <Drakmor> I'll try that
[01:16] <texaswriter> if you can see that website, trouble shoot through that... otherwise, your problem should be similar to any Ubuntu (not kde) network problem (as in Gnome)
[01:17] <texaswriter> also, it may be you need to google your motherboard and see if drivers are provided for mobo.
[01:18] <Drakmor> I'm on the same computer right now, just on kubuntu 11.04
[01:18] <Drakmor> so they definitely exist....
[01:19] <Drakmor> nwo that I finished reading that page and the one it linked to, how does that help me? Those seem to be drivers specific to that model of netbook.
[01:20] <texaswriter> @Ddrakmor, print out or save the page and try the sequence of commands on the first post. yeah, sorry, just checking for something obvious, i'm no expert, just usually solved
[01:21] <Drakmor> oh, so just add the eth0 lines to the file like the op did?
[01:21] <texaswriter> make sure to backup your file first, but yes
[01:21] <Drakmor> okay, thanks
[01:21] <Drakmor> be back in  a few
[01:22] <texaswriter> backup the original first, then try.
[01:22] <Drakmor> doing that now
[01:29] <Drakmor> okay, didn't work. I'll give you an output pastebin in a secondf
[01:30] <Drakmor> http://pastebin.com/ccxxBiDe
[01:33] <texaswriter> okay, when you reboot, eth0 shouldn't be around.. so pastebin these commands: lspci; sudo lshw -C network
[01:33] <Drakmor> okay
[01:34] <texaswriter> you can post it here, but should probably also post it on ubuntuforums.org
[01:34] <Drakmor> okay
[01:35] <Drakmor> I was reading around earlier though and I thought I saw something saying the 11.04 release has a lowlatency kernel... you know anything about that? If its true I can just install that, because all of my research points to the 10.04 version being the one with the network issues
[01:35] <texaswriter> you mean 11.10?
[01:35] <Drakmor> there's 11.10 of studio already?
[01:35] <texaswriter> yeah
[01:35] <Drakmor> sweet
[01:35] <texaswriter> it uses xfce. i'm testing it in vb right now
[01:36] <texaswriter> google ubuntustudio 11.10
[01:36] <Drakmor> ooh, that'd be nice... I dislike gnome immensly
[01:36] <texaswriter> it should bring up a link to a .ubuntu site
[01:36] <Drakmor> I'm cool with using it as long as it has some sort of low latency/ realtime kernel
[01:36] <texaswriter> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/11.10/release/
[01:36] <Drakmor> cuz I'm planning to do a lot of audio recording and mixing
[01:36] <texaswriter> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/11.10release_notes
[01:36] <texaswriter> cool. there are download link and release notes
[01:36] <Drakmor> thanks
[01:37] <Drakmor> "Excitingly, this kernel should allow users to set irq priorities, which means a real time kernel is no longer required for this task!"
[01:37] <texaswriter> I think you have to select "xfce" or something when logging in after upgrading (or installing). I've been told. It's updating right now.
[01:37] <Drakmor> I'm pretty new to all this latency stuff.... what does that mean?
[01:37] <texaswriter> Mine is updating right now, so if you stay on for a few more minutes, I'll let you know how rebooting after update goes.
[01:38] <Drakmor> okay, will do
[01:44] <texaswriter> hrrm, not gets hung up on screen after update, not sure if it is updating or encrypted home folder.
[01:45] <trojanerPT> lol
[01:45] <trojanerPT> wellcome to amateur soft aka open sourc
[01:47] <Drakmor> heh
[01:47] <texaswriter> well that's not blatant trolling. well, actually the encrypted home folder works very well. I had noticed it borks it though when
[01:47] <Drakmor> oh well, I'll give it a try
[01:47] <texaswriter> it borks it when doing a dist-upgrade
[01:47] <Drakmor> I'm not going to keep futzing around with this broken install :P
[01:47] <texaswriter> happened to me before, had a home folder encrypted and it wasn't usable after a dist-upgrade. probably some simple bug
[01:48] <Drakmor> yeah, I tried that option once and things broke.... now that I'm on a desktop, its not nearly as big of a deal anywyas
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[01:48] <texaswriter> yeah, just as easy to encrypt an individual file... encryption used to bork on WIndows boxes all the time, and they were unrecoverable.
[01:49] <trojanerPT> try AVlinux
[01:49] <trojanerPT> http://www.remastersys.com/forums/index.php?topic=1469.0
[01:50] <trojanerPT> http://www.bandshed.net/AVLinux.html
[01:50] <trojanerPT> this one is bsed on DEBIAN the cradle of UBUNTU
[01:59] <Drakmor> @texaswriter any luck?
[02:01] <texaswriter> lol, naw, gonna update my system!!! lol
[02:05] <Drakmor> okay, have fun ;)
[02:05] <Drakmor> I'm doing the same as soon as it dl's
[02:06] <texaswriter> eh, i just got cold feet... test this coming week.. don't have time to reinstall everything
[02:06] <texaswriter> lol, good luck!!
[02:06] <texaswriter> lemme know how it goes please
[02:07] <Drakmor> sure
[02:07] <Drakmor> once I get to the text based installer with no distractions I guess I'll have no choice but to do some homework XD
[02:07] <Drakmor> oh well, at least I'll get it done
[02:08] <Drakmor> how much longer will you be online? It took a good hour to install last time...
[02:08] <Drakmor> and wow, the download failed.... time to try again
[02:09] <trojanerPT> WOW
[02:09] <Drakmor> @trojaner have you contributed one serious remark to this channel that doesn't involve trolling or bashing ubuntu/ opensource software?
[02:11] <trojanerPT> i hardlly said anything on this channel
[02:12] <trojanerPT> by the way this isnt twiter
[02:12] <texaswriter> all a matter of preference
[02:13] <texaswriter> no big deal. anyways, Drakmore, probalby a cleane install will be better than an upgrade, as long as you are backedup
[02:13] <trojanerPT> that person was having trouble i just gave him an option thats acctually was open source
[02:14] <texaswriter> non-GPL
[02:14] <trojanerPT> ubuntu studio is GPL?
[02:14] <texaswriter> spam alert
[02:14] <texaswriter> Debian/GNULinux comes with no guarantee so neither does AV Linux. I accept no responsibility for any hardware/software malfunctions or data loss resulting from it's use. It is important to note that AV Linux is not GPL and contains software that is not open-source and is distributed under a special licensing arrangement with the original developers, re-distributing AV Linux is a violation of this license. AV Linux al
[02:14] <texaswriter> so contains Multimedia Codecs that may be under patent in certain countries, it is the users responsibility to know the law as it applies to their own respective country before downloading or installing.
[02:15] <texaswriter> Ubuntu studio is free and open source
[02:15] <Drakmor> yeah, I'm not going to say anything else to him
[02:15] <trojanerPT> so what if its not GPL
[02:15] <Drakmor> as soon as this downloads I'll be just installing it in the broken install's partition
[02:15] <trojanerPT> its better
[02:16] <texaswriter> matter of opinion. GPL and not open source would stop me from using.
[02:16] <Drakmor> ++
[02:17] <Drakmor> I have never stopped to check about this liscensing stuff....
[02:17] <trojanerPT> because you are using it fro work in a enterprisee?
[02:18] <trojanerPT> texaswriter: i got news for you
[02:18] <trojanerPT> ubuntustudio isnt GPL
[02:19] <texaswriter> trojanerPT: I didn't say it was. I said that avlinux IS NOT GPL and is also NOT open source, and also contains proprietary parts.
[02:19] <texaswriter> Because of these, and in my opinion (since it is a free world), I will choose not to use it.
[02:19] <trojanerPT> so does ubuntu studio
[02:19] <texaswriter> I can take an operating system that has no proprietary elements and enable them myself.
[02:20] <texaswriter> ubuntu studio can be redistributed, AV linux clearly states if you look at the above post from their privacy link that it cann not be redistributed
[02:20] <trojanerPT> ubuntu studio is NON GPL
[02:20] <trojanerPT> are you deaf?
[02:20] <texaswriter> I never said it was.
[02:20] <texaswriter> not even once.
[02:21] <texaswriter> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/License
[02:21] <trojanerPT> you seem to have a problem with AVlinux because it was NON GPL
[02:21] <trojanerPT> but have no problem with
[02:22] <trojanerPT> ubuntu studio that is also NON GPL
[02:22] <texaswriter> NO, my LOGICAL statement was that because it was non-GPL, not open source, AND  (logical and of these three items) not redistributable, I will pass.
[02:22] <texaswriter> Logical and
[02:22] <naka> tw explained himself pretty clearly
[02:22] <Drakmor> I think he had an issue with the fact that you were posting it here while bashing ubuntu and being rather trollish
[02:23] <trojanerPT> so he was making it up
[02:23] <holstein> hey guys
[02:23] <trojanerPT> damn LIER
[02:23] <holstein> whats going on?
[02:23] <texaswriter> oh my, can I not be more clear
[02:23] <Drakmor> we're being trolled by trojaner
[02:23] <Drakmor> to put it bluntly
[02:23] <holstein> in order for the pacakges to be included, they must be free
[02:23] <trojanerPT> thats what you get for trying to help out
[02:24] <holstein> thats why nvidia drivers for example arent included trojanerPT
[02:24] <texaswriter> trojanerPT: you seem to be misunderstanding me. My statement about AVLinux had absolutely nothing to do with UbuntuStudio.
[02:24] <Drakmor> texas and I were talking about some issues with installing studio and trojaner hops on and laughs at us for using ubuntu and then starts trying to convince us to use avlinux
[02:24] <trojanerPT> aclinus is better IMO
[02:25] <Drakmor> case in point
[02:25] <Drakmor> its no problem you think that, its just that this is an ubuntu irc if you haven't noticed
[02:25] <holstein> AVlinux is quite different
[02:25] <texaswriter> Okay, so you keep bringing that up, but it only had to do AVLinux. Avlinux is non-GPL (this has nothing to do with ubuntustudio), Avlinux is not open source, avlinux contains licensed, proprietary components, avlinux is not redistributable.   If you choose to use AVLinux, that's your choice. But my statement was, imo, I won't use because of those reasons.  because ubuntustudio is free, open source, and redistributabl
[02:25] <texaswriter> e.
[02:25] <holstein> neither are better
[02:26] <holstein> i like how AVlinux is live
[02:26] <holstein> ubuntustudio will be doing that next release hopefully
[02:28] <texaswriter> choice is good.
[02:29] <holstein> yup
[02:29] <holstein> i suggest AVLinux as a live CD quite often
[02:37] <texaswriter> holstein: nothing wrong with that. I personally believe distro should let the user decide on picking up the proprietary elements, this way if a corporation wants to go after someone, they have to go after every one of the users (which is essentially impossible since they wouldn't know who they are), not just one website (which might be easy to take down with a cease/desist order, aka FUD)
[02:38] <holstein> sure, i agree
[02:38] <holstein> thats why ubuntu cant include certain things
[02:40] <Drakmor> okay, got the iso
[02:41] <Drakmor> wish me luck installing
[02:41] <Drakmor> I'll be back hopefully soon with a report
[02:41] <texaswriter> okay good luck
[03:38] <plain-user> Hi! Can anyone help me with the setup of my computer to do sound?
[03:39] <holstein> lol
[03:39] <holstein> plain-user: it should just do sound out of the box
[03:40] <plain-user> holstein, Hi! Yes, it does to some extend...
[03:40] <holstein> plain-user: lets try and take a small step
[03:40] <holstein> whats the issue?
[03:40] <holstein> you have sound?
[03:40] <plain-user> =)
[03:40] <plain-user> Yes, i have sound.
[03:40] <plain-user> ...
[03:41] <plain-user> I don;t know where to start. you said learn to use jack with both my soundcards. I can't figure it out. for now i'm just using gui sound manager to switch outputs for skyle vs playing music.
[03:41] <holstein> thats fine
[03:42] <holstein> if it works, it works :)
[03:42] <plain-user> if it is too complicated to work with two cards, i already accepted the fact i shall use external card and hold the microphone in hands.
[03:43] <holstein> well, maybe you just do that for a while
[03:44] <plain-user> ok, i'm happy to do that. i go and restart now and disable the internal card in bios.
[03:44] <holstein> yeah, thats what i would do
[03:44] <plain-user> can I come back and perhaps, work out some applications with you, please?
[03:45] <holstein> you can try
[03:45] <holstein> im about to crash
[03:45] <holstein> but, i'll be back soon
[03:45] <holstein> and you can try #opensourcemucians if its dead here
[03:45] <plain-user> alright.
[03:45] <holstein>  #opensourcemusicians
[03:45] <plain-user> well, sleep don't wait for me then. i be right back anyway
[03:45] <plain-user> thanks i am there listening already
[03:45] <holstein> plain-user: cool :)
[03:46] <holstein> if i miss you, good luck and good nite
[03:49] <plain-user> back.
[03:52] <plain-user> ok, skype works.
[07:16] <l33_> hi+
[07:17] <l33_> in the release informations about ubuntu-studio 11.10 it is said, that the new ubuntu-studio uses the generic ubuntu kernel
[07:17] <l33_> is the rtirq script installed ?
[07:18] <l33_> i mean are there any differences (except some installed software packagaes) between ubuntu 11.10 and ubuntu-studio 11.10
[07:26] <steve__> anyone in here now?
[07:28] <l33_> doesnt seem so, do it ?
[07:50] <l33_> bye steve
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[13:03] <cousin_luigi> greetings
[13:03] <cousin_luigi> When is 11.10 due?
[13:53] <trojanerPT> any one using dream studio?
[14:14] <Drakmor> hey, this works on all versions of natty, not just studio natty right? https://launchpad.net/~abogani/+archive/ppa
[14:27] <holstein> Drakmor: right
[14:27] <holstein> ubuntu = ubuntustudio
[14:27] <Drakmor> okay, thats what I though. I've never messed around with different kernels so I wasn't sure.
[14:27] <Drakmor> This technically is off topic I guess, but how do I get the new kernel to show up in grub? I installed it and its not appearing...
[14:27] <holstein> Drakmor: i use lots of them
[14:28] <holstein> Drakmor: maybe you just added the ppa and didnt install the pacakges?
[14:28] <Drakmor> I definitely installed them,, and they appear to be in the grub.cfg
[14:28] <Drakmor> lemme reboot now that I've rebuilt it
[14:28] <holstein> Drakmor: OH... maybe its this simple
[14:28] <holstein> sudo update-grub
[14:28] <holstein> that should be triggered though
[14:28] <holstein> theres nothing special, it should 'just work'
[14:29] <Drakmor> okay, let me reboot and I'll let you know.
[14:31] <Drakmor> no go
[14:32] <Drakmor> if I pastebin it, could you take a look at my grub.cfg? I have the feeling this has something to do with me trying to dual boot studio
[14:32] <Drakmor> all my grub screen shows is linux 2.6.32-21 preempt (studio)
[14:32] <Drakmor> 2.6.38-11generic
[14:33] <Drakmor> 2.6.38-10, and 2.6.38-8 (both generic), as well as the recovery modes for each kernel
[14:33] <holstein> Drakmor: you'll need to run sudo update-grub from the install that is 'in charge' of grub
[14:34] <holstein> i have several installs on a test machine
[14:34] <holstein> 10.04 was the first
[14:34] <holstein> then, when i added, i *didnt* install grub
[14:34] <Drakmor> okay, I'm not sure which one is the main...
[14:34] <Drakmor> I installed kubuntu 11.04 first
[14:34] <holstein> so, from the other testing ones, i update kernels, they dont show
[14:34] <Drakmor> then dual booted studio 11.04
[14:34] <holstein> i go back to 10.04
[14:34] <holstein> sudo update-grub and all is well
[14:35] <Drakmor> if I just remove the studio partition will it break grub?
[14:35] <holstein> Drakmor: its a hard drive
[14:35] <holstein> things break
[14:35] <holstein> i would back up, and do what you got to do
[14:35] <holstein> it shouldng
[14:35] <holstein> shouldnt
[14:35] <Drakmor> they're both on the same hdd :/
[14:35] <holstein> but recovering grub is easy
[14:36] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Reinstalling_GRUB2
[14:36] <Drakmor> perfect, thanks
[14:36] <holstein> i would get the hard drive the way i want it with gparted, the restore grub
[14:36] <holstein> *if needed
[14:36] <Drakmor> so I can delete the studio partition, then do that correct?
[14:37] <holstein> Drakmor: well, like i said, back up your data
[14:37] <holstein> you never know
[14:37] <Drakmor> yup
[14:37] <Drakmor> but that's the procedure?
[14:37] <holstein> moving, deleting, resizing like that can break things
[14:37] <holstein> and for no good reason
[14:37] <holstein> Drakmor: but, ideally, yeah
[14:37] <Drakmor> This is the first time I've mucked around with dualbooting, sorry I'm so imcompetent.... but okay
[14:37] <holstein> it *should* be that easy
[14:37] <Drakmor> I shall try that
[14:38] <holstein> Drakmor: yeah, i just recently sorted it out
[14:38] <Drakmor> be back in  a few hopefully
[14:38] <holstein> on that test machine i mentioned
[14:38] <holstein> i wiped and moved and restored
[14:38] <holstein> juggled some things on purpose to learn
[14:38] <holstein> that was my experience
[15:30] <fr-z> hi
[15:50] <Arjun> hey i just want to know if i can install any package on ubuntu which can install all the studio materials for me, so i dont need to keep two distributions for different work...