[08:15] can I use pre-stop to shut down the job? or will it be respawned [08:23] it would appear, that it does respawn [10:56] <__machine> anyone know why my sickbeard upstart job doesnt get the right pid? ive tried expect fork and expect daemon and both get the wrong pid… my exec line does su -c 'python Sick-Beard.py …' me … having the wrong pid means i cant stop/start it properly once started…? [10:57] <__machine> i also tried to cheat with start-stop-daemon, but initctl said it was started/running but had no pid, and it wasnt actually running…?