[10:40] <reon> anybody know if there is a menu editor in the works from upstream?
[10:42] <beardygnome> reon: I don't know, but have you tried alacarte?
[10:46] <reon> beardygnome, I made the mistake of just installing it with all it's recommends and now I can't get rid of them, sigh!
[14:32] <beardygnome> i have switched my lightdm greeter from the unity one to the lightdm-gtk-greeter and now i can't login
[14:32] <beardygnome> it just loops back to the greeter screen
[14:32] <beardygnome> any ideas how to debug this?
[15:57] <GridCube> ochosi, you here?
[16:00] <ochosi> GridCube: i'm leaving in fact
[16:00] <GridCube> oh
[16:00] <ochosi> but shoot
[16:00] <GridCube> well im seeing a lot of broken icons
[16:00] <ochosi> to the worst i'll read the backlog and answer tomorrow
[16:00] <ochosi> where?
[16:01] <GridCube> http://ompldr.org/vYXU0dQ/pavu.png
[16:01] <GridCube> example
[16:01] <GridCube> see the >Clear chat...
[16:01] <ochosi> yeah, guess that specific headphone-icon is missing in elementary
[16:01] <GridCube> im getting those on empathy as well
[16:01] <GridCube> on the + and - symbols
[16:02] <ochosi> what you can try is extend the "Inherit=" line in elementary-xubuntu's index.theme file
[16:02] <ochosi> i can look into this in more depth some other time, not today
[16:02] <GridCube> http://imagebin.org/179323
[16:02] <ochosi> the question is in which icon themes those icons exist
[16:03] <ochosi> probably "gnome"
[16:03] <GridCube> oh, probably yes
[16:03] <ochosi> elementary decided to drop quite a few icons
[16:03] <GridCube> :/ oh
[16:03] <ochosi> and they're focussing on their own OS/distro atm, so i guess at some point we'll have to start looking for something new
[16:03] <GridCube> well i wanted to let you know
[16:03] <GridCube> i see
[16:04] <ochosi> well, xchat is obviously using non-standard "+"-" icons
[16:04] <ochosi> otherwise they would appear, i'm rather sure
[16:04] <knome> oh, ochosi is speaking
[16:04] <knome> ;)
[16:04] <ochosi> but anyway, more time to speak about that another day
[16:04] <ochosi> see you everyone!
[16:04] <GridCube> :)
[16:04] <GridCube> see you
[16:04] <knome> haha
[16:04] <knome> yeah, i thought that was too good to be true.
[16:17] <knome> bah. i wonder where we are with canonical IS
[16:17] <knome> pleia2??
[16:49] <neighborlee> Hi ;),,quick question; Is xubuntu ( read a review which stated this but that was a yearish ago ) still mono free and is that meant to be forwarded onto future releases ? ;)
[16:51] <knome> neighborlee, afaik it is. it's not a definitive goal to keep xubuntu mono-free, but since mono would bring up many dependencies and stuff, it's highly possible that it will not get included
[16:52] <neighborlee> I need more than 'possible'
[16:52] <neighborlee> I need to know its purposely gone
[16:52] <neighborlee> mono is dangerous. as clearly stated by richard stalman of the FSF
[16:53] <neighborlee> thats my reason basically
[16:53] <neighborlee> and why I was curious
[16:53] <neighborlee> :)))
[16:53] <neighborlee> othewise id have to goto fedora
[16:54] <neighborlee> sorry to seem anal about it.but I have to know its meant to be gone on purpose ;)
[16:54] <GridCube> its not
[16:54] <madnick> I doubt a moral stand is taken on the subject
[16:55] <GridCube> if for some reason it is thinked to be nesesary it could get in, but its not probable
[16:55] <Unit193> Simple, sudo apt-get purge mono*   fixed
[16:55] <knome> neighborlee, the only way to make sure your distro doesn't ever have mono is to create and maintain your own distro
[16:56] <neighborlee> fedora already has
[16:56] <neighborlee> they agree apparently with richard stallman of FSF ;)
[16:56] <neighborlee> I was hoping xubuntu did too ;)
[16:56] <neighborlee> hence the question :(
[16:57] <madnick> Fedora even have tutorials on how to properly use Mono :P
[16:57] <neighborlee> your missing the point my friend
[16:57] <neighborlee> I meant ,,mono or any mono app, not incuded by default
[16:57] <neighborlee> I dont care what someone installs later ;)
[16:57] <knome> it's not a matter of heart for us. if you want to affect/make sure mono is not included, feel free to join the developer community and act
[16:57] <neighborlee> heart ?
[16:58] <neighborlee> im not talking about heart..
[16:58] <neighborlee> Im referencing facts
[16:58] <neighborlee> you dont know who richard stallman , of the FSF is ?
[16:58] <knome> i do know, but that's got nothing to do with this.
[16:58] <neighborlee> of course it does
[16:58] <neighborlee> he specificallay says to 'avoid mono'
[16:58] <neighborlee> pretty clear ;)
[16:59] <GridCube> he says many things
[16:59] <neighborlee> but anyway..this isn't a arguement..its fact
[16:59] <knome> he is entitled to is opinion
[16:59] <neighborlee> he is a foss leader
[16:59] <neighborlee> faik ;)
[16:59] <knome> so?
[16:59]  * GridCube shrugs
[16:59] <knome> he doesn't lead xubuntu
[16:59] <neighborlee> I surmised that ;)
[16:59] <neighborlee> ok thx for info
[17:00] <knome> no problem.
[17:00] <GridCube> my country has the biggest worldwide system for giving free computers to school students, stallman said it was EVEEL because it came whit dual boot linux/7
[17:00] <GridCube> that simple thing says many things about stallman
[17:02] <neighborlee> excuse me ?
[17:02] <neighborlee> GridCube, ie ?
[17:03] <knome> neighborlee, GridCube: #xubuntu-offtopic please, if you want to continue
[17:03] <neighborlee> :)
[17:29] <knome> madnick, good job there getting the fellow silent :P
[17:30] <madnick> haha
[17:31]  * micahg would've said that the Ubuntu Tech Board has approved of mono, so any derivative is free to include it (it's in the repositories...)
[17:32] <Unit193> For the record, this is the second derivative he's bothered
[17:33] <micahg> Unit193: if it gets trollish, you could mention it to the IRC council
[17:33] <knome> Unit193, ugh. if you don't mind, tell that in -ops-team
[17:33] <knome> micahg, council too, but -ops(-team) first, much faster response
[17:33] <knome> micahg, and people can do something for the issue too
[17:34] <Unit193> knome: Do I have to? They are scary...
[17:35] <Unit193> micahg: No worse than here/offtopic
[17:35] <knome> Unit193, they aren't :)
[17:40] <micahg> knome: sorry, that's what I meant (no caffeine yet today)
[17:40] <knome> micahg, hehe, np
[17:41] <Unit193> knome , micahg: Thanks
[17:42] <knome> Unit193, np :)
[17:42] <knome> Unit193, thank you
[17:46] <Unit193> I searched, it was 2011-09-27
[17:46] <knome> the previous attack?
[17:48] <Unit193> Not as highkey afaict
[17:52] <knome> huh?
[17:54] <Unit193> Worse here, but I'll read it again :P
[20:24] <marcus_> hello 
[20:25] <marcus_> some1 here?
[20:25] <madnick> Yes
[20:26] <marcus_> Maybe you can help me with a problem I got with xubuntu 11.10
[20:26] <marcus_> ?
[20:26] <madnick> #xubuntu is for support, there are more people to help there :)
[20:27] <marcus_> but if no one answers I need to look somewhere else for help :-)
[20:27] <madnick> hehe
[20:27] <Unit193> Next on the list would be either #ubuntu or #ubuntu-beginners
[20:27] <madnick> (i was not in #xubuntu, sorry)
[20:29] <marcus_> okay so the problem is this: if I try to mount or open an audio-cd thunar tells me: could not mount audio-cd and place could not be mounted 
[20:29] <marcus_> in ubuntu 10.10 this is possible
[20:32] <marcus_> got no clue ?
[20:33] <Unit193> Well, I hardly ever use CDs, but remote filesystems give an error then they work
[20:34] <madnick> well, whats the filesystem of an audio cd?
[20:34] <madnick> bug 159527
[20:34] <madnick> sorry
[20:34] <madnick> bug 159627
[20:35] <marcus_> dont know what filesystem an audio-cd has
[20:35] <marcus_> okay I will read this launchpad thind
[20:35] <marcus_> -d+g
[20:36] <madnick> It was fixed in natty it says
[20:36] <madnick> But
[20:36] <madnick> I cannot test it myself
[20:37] <madnick> (don't have any audio cd's)
[20:38] <marcus_> you can burn one and then try it :-)
[20:39] <Unit193> Oneiric is current (Hard to think)
[20:39] <marcus_> to me it seems it is not fixed
[20:40] <mr_pouit> it's fixed in thunar >= 1.2, when you have the needed gvfs modules installed
[20:41] <mr_pouit> (probably gvfs-backends)
[20:41] <marcus_> gvfs do I get them via synaptics packet manager ?
[20:44] <marcus_> yes I got it
[20:44] <marcus_> it works
[20:45] <marcus_> thank you