[00:00] <drc> ahs3-:  I gave that up years ago...no more soldering irons for me.
[00:01] <ahs3-> soulg77, I'm not sure what you are asking, is it showing in wifi manager? (i'm assuming xubuntu has one)
[00:01] <drc> ahs, it does
[00:02] <ahs3-> drc, I know what you mean
[00:02] <Vlyn> My PC gets a little bit bored with Linux, poor things needs games to even wake up ^^
[00:02] <ahs3-> ah does it show up soulg77 ?
[00:02] <ahs3-> lol
[00:02] <ahs3-> lots of cool games for Linux
[00:02] <ahs3-> bzflag, urt, etc...
[00:02] <drc> ahs3-: That's why I use 'buntu...I just don't care enough anymore to try gentoo/arch/slack.
[00:02] <Vlyn> Dwarf Fortress, Battle of Wesnoth… :-)
[00:02] <ahs3-> yep
[00:03] <Vlyn> But I talkt about modern games ^^
[00:03] <Vlyn> DX11 and so on
[00:03] <ahs3-> thats kinda where i'm getting too drc
[00:03] <Vlyn> -t
[00:03] <soulg77> ahs3, never saw a wifi manager, I'll look again.
[00:03] <soulg77> and it is Xubuntu 11.04
[00:03] <knome> Vlyn, ahs3-: hey guys! check out our offtopic channel #xubuntu-offtopic too ;)
[00:03] <ahs3-> lol Vlyn bzflag may not be modern, but it makes up for it in gameplay
[00:04] <Vlyn> Dwarf Fortress too :-) what's bzflag?
[00:04] <ahs3-> soulg77, check upper right of your screen
[00:04] <ahs3-> tank game
[00:04] <Vlyn> And we should go into this… offtopic thingy :3
[00:04] <ahs3-> I happen to make maps for bzflag :)
[00:04] <ahs3-> I guess so
[00:04] <knome> thanks :)
[00:05] <ahs3-> knome, are we off-topic?
[00:05] <soulg77> oh you mean the 2 arrows?
[00:05] <knome> ahs3-, a bit :)
[00:05] <ahs3-> :-)
[00:06]  * ahs3- bows to knome's wisdom 
[00:09] <soulg77> ahs3, you mean the 2 arrows?
[00:23] <Nazosan> Guess I'll ask again just in case, but does anyone know how to control what resolution is used on the login screen?
[00:26] <knome> Nazosan, i think you have been able to control that with gdm2setup before (from PPA), but i don't know if that's true with oneiric too
[00:26] <Nazosan> I'll try to take a look
[00:28] <Nazosan> hmm...  You say from ppa?  Any idea what package it might be in?
[00:28] <ahs3-> soulg77, check top right for a icon for wifi, <<--- knome you know this one?
[00:29] <knome> hm?
[00:29] <ahs3-> problem with wifi
[00:30] <knome> what kind of?
[00:30] <Nazosan> it looks like my _real_ problem is that it detects the fact that I have another monitor plugged in (albeit unplugged...)  It tries to set a lowest commond denominator (why not highest?) resolution or something.
[00:30] <knome> Nazosan, interesting. i don't know the answer though... :)
[00:31] <Vlyn> Uhm… I'm now on my FTP Server with Thunar. Where is the bookmark option? :-(
[00:31] <Nazosan> darn
[00:31] <knome> Vlyn, drag and drop to bookmark bar
[00:31] <Nazosan> You're the only one speaking in here, so you're supposed to know EVERYTHING knome
[00:31] <knome> heh
 Hello, anyone available to help me with getting a minipci wireless card to work? <<--- knome
[00:31] <knome> soulg77, what model? have you searched google?
[00:32] <Vlyn> knome: Ah, thanks
[00:32] <Vlyn> Nazosan: Don't look at me, I'm not there, I don't know anything xD
[00:33]  * Nazosan didn't
[00:38] <soulg77> knome: for the wireless card? truemobile 1300 mini pci
[00:39] <knome> soulg77, looks like that's something for ndiswrapper...
[00:39] <knome> !ndiswrapper | soulg77
[00:40] <soulg77> cool, I check it out. thanks.
[00:41] <knome> it will be some work, but it will work in the end
[00:56] <soulg77> knome: maybe I'm an idiot but where in Xubuntu can I find the network manager?
[00:56] <knome> soulg77, it should appear in the indicator area on your panel
[00:57] <leopard20> hi
[00:58] <knome> hello
[00:58] <leopard20> i ahve a skystar2, can it works on xubuntu?
[00:58] <soulg77> is that the two arrows pointing in opposite directions?
[00:59] <mtrg> i upgraded to 11.10 but i notice some of my software, such as evince, are not gtk themed - why?
[00:59] <knome> soulg77, yeah
[00:59] <mtrg> but some of the other software, other than evince, are OK and theme by gtk
[00:59] <knome> leopard20, have you googled it?
[00:59] <leopard20> no
[00:59] <knome> leopard20, i suggest try googling that + "ubuntu" first :)
[01:00] <leopard20> i like asking experts rather than googling
[01:00] <knome> i don't know more than google
[01:00] <mtrg> if anyone helps me out, i'll ask god in church monday to give you a lot of money in next life
[01:00] <leopard20> the ubuntu channel is useless
[01:00] <mtrg> with a lot of free pizza
[01:00] <leopard20> is there is autocad for linux??
[01:01] <knome> leopard20, i think your choices are to be patient and wait for somebody who knows to show up, or search google and/or the ubuntu forums
[01:01] <mtrg> leopard20: i think you should find commercial alternatives that support linux
[01:01] <leopard20> ok, and what is this channel made for??
[01:02] <knome> leopard20, for helping people, but if nobody knows the answer, it's really hard to give you the answer
[01:02] <mtrg> we are not paid to feed your ass with advise regarding any possible software you might think of
[01:02] <knome> mh, now let's please watch the language and attitude, thanks
[01:03] <leopard20> rude ppl
[01:03] <mtrg> no, i'm rude, but not the channel.. i'm just a visitor
[01:04] <mtrg> my rude behaviour is not associated with these guys
[01:04] <leopard20> i just visited here bc i like freewares and open sources wares
[01:04] <leopard20> i like to change to linux from windows
[01:05] <leopard20> but i want to use autoxcad or what matches it
[01:05] <mtrg> i've already switched since ~5 years ago and i'm super happy with linux distros
[01:05] <knome> mtrg, please take a note that this kind of behaviour is not wanted in this channel
[01:05] <mtrg> leopard20: i'll google for itfor you
[01:05] <mtrg> knome: ok - sorry /me sheds some tear
[01:05] <leopard20> no, thanks\
[01:05] <leopard20> i ll google myaself
[01:06] <leopard20> can i ask a question mtrg?
[01:06] <mtrg> knome: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-228890.html
[01:06] <mtrg> ops, leopard20 http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-228890.html
[01:06] <mtrg> it seems there are opensource ones (ithought there isn't.. intresting that there is)
[01:07] <mtrg> but that is 2006, may be there are better options in 2011
[01:07] <leopard20> what you got from linux better than windowws ?
[01:07] <soulg77> knome: I probably should have said I need help with getting the drivers and my mini pci card to work
[01:07] <soulg77> sorry
[01:08] <knome> soulg77, sorry - i'm not an expert on ndiswrapper. since this is not a xubuntu specific issue, you could ask #ubuntu too about your issue
[01:08] <leopard20> what makes linux better than windows?
[01:08] <knome> leopard20, there are other channels for "X versus Y" -discussion
[01:09] <mtrg> leopard20: my system is very stable, it doesn't get old by time, smaller viruses and lesser chance of being infected.. it's neat, it feels young all the time. plus it gives me more flexibility to change stuff so i have a system that is 100% customized for myself
[01:09] <soulg77> knome, no prob I try there thanks.
[01:09] <knome> soulg77, good luck :)
[01:10] <leopard20> ok mtrg, thank you, whee you find your freewares for linux?
[01:10] <_ju5t1n> @leopard20, I have a server running freevo recording the game upstairs, serving my kids alienarena, and my wife downstair music. It has not been rebooted in almost a year. Thats nice. :D
[01:11] <_ju5t1n> @ soulg77 if you are trying to use ndiskwrapper, you have to have the .inf file from a windows XP driver.
[01:11] <mtrg> leopard20: almost every linux distribution (operating system) has a repository full of aweswome free stuff
[01:12] <mtrg> leopard20: the software, such as apt-get or yum, downloads it for you + its depedencies
[01:12] <mtrg> leopard20: synaptic (ubuntu thingy) has the feature so you can search for apps
 sorry, what do you mean?
[01:12] <mtrg> leopard20: however, just in case that is not enough, you can google and you may find even more apps
[01:13] <leopard20> what is synaptic??
[01:13] <mtrg> yeah, but synaptic package manger might been replaced with something else for the latest release
[01:13] <knome> leopard20, it's a package manager, found in the applications menu
[01:14] <knome> leopard20, there is also ubuntu software centre, which is a bit easier and maybe cleaner, but doesn't have absolutely all of the applications in the repository
[01:14] <_ju5t1n> you have to find windows xp drivers for your Wifi or network card that include a file ending in .INF, it is often contained inside a cab you have to take apart but sometimes in a zip. What card is it? I probably have it already :D
[01:14] <leopard20> i installed fedora there is no synaptic
[01:14] <knome> leopard20, this is not a fedora support channel.
[01:14] <leopard20> ic
[01:15] <mtrg> leopard20: /join #fedora
[01:15] <leopard20> so you confess it is a support channel
[01:15] <knome> that's what the topic says.
[01:15] <soulg77> It's a broadcom truemobile 1300 wlan mini pci
[01:15] <_ju5t1n> no it is a chat community where we sometimes help each other :P
[01:15] <_ju5t1n> dell?
[01:16] <knome> _ju5t1n, no, #xubuntu actually IS a support channel, not a chat community
[01:16] <soulg77> yes
[01:16] <mtrg> leopard20: are you not satisfied with the support? try MS support and wait a few months to get their reply
[01:16] <knome> leopard20, is there a xubuntu problem we can help you with?
[01:16] <leopard20> support channel must dont ask visitors to google, sorry
[01:16] <_ju5t1n> lol, been there, done those. give me a minute
[01:16] <leopard20> i am just jiking
[01:16] <leopard20> joking
[01:17] <knome> leopard20, stop joking and ask a xubuntu support question if you have one
[01:17] <knome> leopard20, #xubuntu-offtopic for a more relaxed chat, and other channels for other OS support
[01:17] <leopard20> no sir, thank you
[01:18] <leopard20> i am new to linux and collecting info, thats all
[01:18] <_ju5t1n> wait, are you on the system now? using ethernet
[01:18] <leopard20> thank you a lot
[01:18] <knome> leopard20, ##linux for general linux chatter
[01:18] <mtrg> isn't ##linux for kernel specific stuff?
[01:19] <well_laid_lawn> nope
[01:19] <knome> mtrg, no. all the ##-channels are for more relaxed discussion
[01:19] <mtrg> the double hash means more relaxed?
[01:19] <knome> mtrg, (or generally with larger subject)
[01:19] <_ju5t1n> @soulg77 are you on that computer now?
[01:19] <leopard20> they never accepted questions there
[01:19] <knome> mtrg, usually, it's not a rule though
[01:19] <soulg77> no i'm not
[01:20] <mtrg> i see
[01:20] <leopard20> ok
[01:20] <knome> anyway, for all the offtopic'ish discussions, let's use #xubuntu-offtopic so those who need help can get it here. thanks
[01:20] <leopard20> on last question?
[01:20] <Vlyn> Is there a way to use different backgroundpictures for the workspaces?
[01:21] <knome> leopard20, it's not a game, nor a tradeoff. #xubuntu-offtopic for non-support discussion, please
[01:22] <_ju5t1n> my suggestion is get on it, plug it into a router or hotspot, enable everything in your software sources (don't forget to change it back in a bit!) then install "kernel backports wireless modules" for your kernel version.
[01:23] <leopard20> bye
[01:23] <_ju5t1n> @soul If i remember right, it is athoros based and so the regular driver will be faster then ndisk anyway
[01:24] <_ju5t1n> if you reboot and it does not come up, then ... well give me minute and I can cure that, too. :P
[01:24] <soulg77> @ _ju5t1n can I find that with the packet manager?
[01:26] <_ju5t1n> yes. In syanptic, in it is "kernel backports wireless", but your backports repository has to be on. (you may not want to LEAVE it on once you are running, but another topic)
[01:27] <_ju5t1n> and that is a broadcom chipset, so it should work. If not , --> http://www.infdump.com/download-inf-files_new.php/inffiles/B/bcmwl5.inf/-/download.html
[01:28] <_ju5t1n> {eric waves bye and smiles}
[01:30] <soulg77> @_ju5t1n in synatic I'm seeing "linux-backports-modules"
[01:30] <soulg77> @_ju5t1n and that link is it "bcmwl5.inf"?
[01:31] <_ju5t1n> yes. get the one that matches your kernel version. Yes, but this will run faster and more stable ... if it has it {blushes}
[01:31] <_ju5t1n> back to the modules ... if you do not know your kernel version, open a terminal for me and type: uname -a
[01:32] <soulg77> @_ju5t1n was just about to ask, thanks
[01:32] <_ju5t1n> I get ahead of customers when I do this for a living, too. LOL
[01:33] <knome> _ju5t1n, welcome to the club
[01:33] <_ju5t1n> It starts with 2.6 :)
[01:35] <soulg77> thanks is it "generic" or "generic-pae"?
[01:36] <_ju5t1n> lol, no you are going to need the whole number. mine is 2.6.32-40 on this notebook cause you need the same backports number
[01:36] <_ju5t1n> otherwise you end up installing another kernel, which while it can be fun ... it's not what you are trying to do here :P
[01:40] <soulg77> sorry, I'll be more specific "linux-backports-modules-cw-2.6.39-natty-generic" or "linux-backports-modules-cw-2.6.39-natty-generic-pae"?
[01:41] <_ju5t1n> ahh, regular. unless your kernel said pae (I doubt it)
[01:41] <_ju5t1n> stock ubuntu? then regular for sure
[01:42] <soulg77> its stock
[01:42] <_ju5t1n> regular then.
[01:43] <soulg77> ok installing now let you know when finished
[01:43] <_ju5t1n> install reboot and it should be in network manager. once in a while you have to right click the applet and enable it afterwards ... I don't know why.
[01:44] <_ju5t1n> {network manager icon that shows your ethernet card or wireless or carrier pidgen or however you are getting to use at the moment :D }
[01:44] <soulg77> btw, should I still download that other file?
[01:45] <_ju5t1n> I doubt you will need it but you may want to _ju5t1n case ;)
[01:46] <_ju5t1n> okay I have like four more live chat customers, one way of another you will be on WiFi in a bit. Back to it for me
[01:46] <_ju5t1n> yw
[02:59] <GridCube> !keyring
[02:59] <drc> One ring to rule them...
[02:59] <GridCube> :P
[03:01] <GridCube> so lightdm is tied to gnome-keyring, so when you log in you also unlock the keyring, however if you add the autologin flag to the lightdm.conf the keyring is not unlocked and it ask you for your password to do so, im trying to figure out how to disable it whitout killing the whole system
[03:06] <Shirakawasuna> anyone else getting cpu spike/slow response when opening/closing tabs in chrome?
[03:07] <GridCube> nope, i use firefox so...
[03:19] <GridCube> :D changing the execution privileges for gnome-keyring-daemon did the trick :D
[03:23] <GridCube> lol i can't use empathy whitout gnome-keyring XD
[03:24] <drc> The Ring giveth and the Ring taketh away.....
[03:31] <bartron> hi everyone...just installed xubuntu 11.10, including restricted extras.  for some reason I can't browse samba shares in thunar...does anyone have a fix?
[03:32] <GridCube> does it work on gigolo?
[03:33] <bartron> no
[03:33] <bartron> "location not mountable"
[03:33] <GridCube> theres your problem then
[03:34] <bartron> care to explain?
[03:34] <GridCube> you probably do not have samba installed
[03:34] <bartron> i do, i installed it
[03:34]  * GridCube havent never used samba himself so he doesnt really know by experience
[03:34] <GridCube> :/
[03:34] <GridCube> mmm
[03:35] <bartron> i looked up on the ubuntu forums, and it seems as of beta 2, it was an unresolved bug...i was just wondering if anyone had heard of a fix
[03:36] <GridCube> :/ not that i know of
[03:36] <bartron> damn
[03:36] <GridCube> :(
[03:36] <GridCube> you could ask on #xfce
[03:37] <bartron> i got it!  you know what i needed...gvfs-backends package
[03:37] <bartron> i had gvfs, but not that package
[03:45] <Shirakawasuna> lol, I think I just had too many bookmarks in my bookmarks bar (I forget that bookmarks will default there sometimes)
[03:45] <Shirakawasuna> now chrome is fast, woot
[03:46] <Jack-xubuntu> I am finally installing chrome!
[03:46] <GridCube> :P this people installing software and stuff
[03:46] <Jack-xubuntu> I just got my WI-FI drivers to work with NDISWRAPPER.
[03:46] <Shirakawasuna> Jack-xubuntu: woo
[03:46] <Shirakawasuna> nice
[03:48] <Jack-xubuntu> Do you have to install FlashPLayer separately from Chrome
[03:48] <GridCube> talking about installing softeare and stuff, i changed gmusicbrowser for exaile, because  gmusicbrowser has a really weird way of searching whitout afecting the current playlist, but whitout either showing you a search dump or something so if you search something and try to play it it will still play the rest of the stuff in the whole playlist instead of the stuff you just searched
[03:49] <GridCube> but exaile isnt integrated to the sound applet on the panel
[03:49] <GridCube> :/
[03:49] <Jack-xubuntu> :/
[03:50] <Jack-xubuntu> no :C
[03:51] <drc> GridCube: And the multimedia keys on my laptop won't work with it...but I use it anyway.
[03:51] <GridCube> tru dat
[03:51] <GridCube> XD
[03:51] <GridCube> exaile FTW!
[03:51] <drc> GridCube: You can get the icon in the notification area
[03:51] <GridCube> yes that i can
[03:52] <GridCube> but is not integrated to the sound applet like gmusicbrowser is
[03:52] <drc> nope, I and don't really care for that system :)
[03:53] <GridCube> furthermore gmusicbrowser has a really confusing tab systems
[03:53] <drc> tru dat
[03:53] <GridCube> no idea why they changed exaile for it
[03:54] <drc> dunno, I do know that the developer is really open to bugs/recommendations/criticisms though.
[03:55] <GridCube> if only decible-audio-player had a good search interface it would be the most perfect media player for linux, but sadly it doesnt do good searchs
[03:55] <GridCube> :D yes i know that
[03:55] <drc> actually rhythmbox was perfect for me...then they dropped the streaming radio from this version :(
[03:56] <GridCube> :(
[03:56] <GridCube> audacious is also nice, but it doesnt have a music database
[03:57] <Jack-xubuntu> I assume these are all media Apps
[03:57] <Shirakawasuna> gmusicbrowser can be made to work just like exaile, GridCube
[03:58] <GridCube> Shirakawasuna, it can be made to look like it yes
[03:58] <GridCube> >work just like, no
[03:58] <Shirakawasuna> ah
[03:58] <GridCube> the problem is not about how it looks
[03:58] <Shirakawasuna> I find myself switching layouts often
[03:58] <GridCube> the problem is the searching engine
[03:59] <Jack-xubuntu> Since you are on the topic, do you have any media program suggestions for me?
[03:59] <GridCube> if you search something it will only search on the current playlist, you can not search the database, so its kinda useless
[03:59] <GridCube> i use exaile
[03:59] <Shirakawasuna> it'll depend on the purpose, Jack-xubuntu, but I always install vlc and mplayer
[03:59] <drc> Jack-xubuntu: Depends on what you want...
[04:00] <drc> full service or self service
[04:00] <Shirakawasuna> between vlc and mplayer a given video will play right (yes I know they're both on top of ffmpeg)
[04:00] <Jack-xubuntu> Well I have 50GB of unsorted music
[04:00] <Shirakawasuna> clementine is pretty nice
[04:01] <GridCube> Jack-xubuntu, you could try exaile, gmusicbrowser, rythmbox, decibel-audio-player, audacious
[04:01] <GridCube> XD and see wich one works for you
[04:01] <Jack-xubuntu> I think I will try Exaile
[04:02] <drc> Jack-xubuntu: All those install and un-install nicely, try them 'till you find one you like
[04:02] <Jack-xubuntu> And if that doesnt work out then i will move down the list
[04:02] <drc> That's what I did
[04:02] <drc> I settled for exaile
[04:02] <Jack-xubuntu> Are they all available from synaptic or ubuntu software center.
[04:02] <drc> yes and yes
[04:03] <Shirakawasuna> can you make exaile work w/ the sound-indicator?
[04:03] <drc> no
[04:03] <Jack-xubuntu> Ok, i give them all a look and decide whats best for me thanks C:
[04:03] <GridCube> :D thats the best of ubuntu, installing and uninstalling things is easy
[04:04] <drc> Jack-xubuntu: make sure you look at the configuration, because some of the capabilities need to be expressly turned on
[04:04] <drc> or off :)
[04:04] <Jack-xubuntu> OK
[04:04] <Jack-xubuntu> Ill take that advoce
[04:04] <Jack-xubuntu> *advice
[04:05] <Jack-xubuntu> exaile is for music only :/
[04:05] <Jack-xubuntu> I have lots of videos too...
[04:05] <drc> oh you want one that does both audio and video?
[04:06] <GridCube> oh...
[04:06] <Jack-xubuntu> YEs
[04:06] <drc> personally I found that the best audio doesn't do video they way I like and vice-versa
[04:06] <Jack-xubuntu> I would like that
[04:06] <jordan4ibanez> hi everyone
[04:06] <GridCube> hello
[04:06] <Jack-xubuntu> Hi
[04:06] <jordan4ibanez> how are you guys doin?
[04:06] <Jack-xubuntu> Nice, you?
[04:07] <jordan4ibanez> pretty good
[04:07] <Jack-xubuntu> Good to know.
[04:07] <drc> Jack-xubuntu: If I want one that would do both, I'd probably use vlc
[04:07] <jordan4ibanez> yep..so can anybody tell me..are there any upgrades in the kernel in kernel 3.0.0-12?
[04:07] <Jack-xubuntu> Ok ill find and install it :)
[04:08] <drc> But 50 gig of "unsorted" audio is going to be fun :)
[04:09] <GridCube> jordan4ibanez, what?
[04:10] <jordan4ibanez> is there any like..memory cache improvements? or like chunk upgrades in this kernel? lol
[04:21] <Shirakawasuna> I'm hating my notifications... because they're entirely unconfigurable, last forever, and are placed funny (notify-osd). Does anyone know how to get around this?
[04:21] <Shirakawasuna> My last idea was to try just removing notify-osd, but guake depends on it (grr)
[04:22] <drc> Shirakawasuna: settings Manager>Notifications
[04:22] <akrathos> Hi all
[04:23] <Shirakawasuna> dr_jkl: those settings are ignored by notify-odsd
[04:23] <Shirakawasuna> *notify-osd
[04:24] <akrathos> someone there?
[04:24] <Shirakawasuna> yes
[04:25] <akrathos> :D hi
[04:25] <akrathos> im new with xubuntu
[04:25] <akrathos> and i have a problem
[04:25] <akrathos> lol
[04:26] <raevol> akrathos: in support channels on irc, go ahead and just ask your question, don't ask to ask, and don't ask if anyone is here ;)
[04:26] <raevol> just a protip
[04:27] <Shirakawasuna> akrathos: what's the problem?
[04:27] <akrathos> thanks, dont know where is the support channel..
[04:28] <akrathos> and the problem, is not a big thing, i guess, but i dont know how to fix it..
[04:28] <drc> akrathos: this is it...just ask your question
[04:28] <raevol> akrathos: this is a support channel, see the topic from when you joined
[04:28] <akrathos> the thing is that i was changing the colors of the panels
[04:28] <akrathos> and suddenly the "alpha" option wasnt there anymore.
[04:29] <raevol> did you change it to "background image"?
[04:29] <akrathos> no
[04:29] <raevol> it's still  "solid color"?
[04:29] <akrathos> ya
[04:29] <raevol> strange
[04:30] <akrathos> is there a way to reset the panels?
[04:31] <akrathos> (by the way, i know my english sucks :/ )
[04:34] <akrathos> ...
[04:34] <drc> akrathos: Delete /home/YOUR-ID-HERE/.config/xfce4 will get rid of all the xfce4 configs, I'm not sure what controls only the panel
[04:35] <akrathos> k
[04:35] <drc> wait
[04:35] <akrathos> thank you
[04:35] <akrathos> so much
[04:35] <drc> wait
[04:35] <akrathos> k
[04:35] <drc> I <think> it's file:///home/drc/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-panel.xml  replce drc with your id
[04:36] <drc> rename that file restart X/xfce and see, if it's not you can rename the file back and have lost only a minute or two
[04:37] <akrathos> gonna try
[04:39] <akrathos> can't find the file
[04:39] <akrathos> :S
[04:40] <Shirakawasuna> ah, much better
[04:40] <Shirakawasuna> old version of guake -> no notify-osd dependency -> xfce4's notify daemon taking over
[04:40] <Shirakawasuna> also the old version of guake didn't die as much as the new one
[04:42] <akrathos> drc, its tell me that that file donesn't exist
[04:45] <Vermicelli> Could someone point me to how I can get firefox to respect the boundary of the xfce panel when fullscreened? I'd like the bottom of the window to stop at the top of the panel.
[04:46] <drc> akrathos: Did you replace drc with your login id?
[04:47] <akrathos> yeah :D
[04:47] <akrathos> of course
[04:49] <drc> akrathos: Don't know then...you can alway delete the entire xfce4 folder, but that will get rid of all your xfce configs
[04:49] <akrathos> k
[04:49] <akrathos> thank you so much drc
[04:49] <akrathos> :D
[04:49] <drc> np
[05:01] <TriumphOfDeath> hello there, A little question, using xfce, do you know how can I make transparent the text boxes for desktop icons?
[05:01] <XubuntuKris> xubuntu 11.10?
[05:02] <TriumphOfDeath> XubuntuKris: hello -> offcourse :D
[05:03] <XubuntuKris> well, a lot of people use xfce without a full xubuntu install.lol
[05:03] <XubuntuKris> had one in here earlier that did Ubuntu 11.10 with xfce desktop and xfce settings.
[05:04] <XubuntuKris> Lemme get this straight though, you want the box fully transparent with the text still showing?
[05:07] <TriumphOfDeath> oh, I see.. I can figure now..
[05:07] <TriumphOfDeath> Another question, I have the same trouble -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/854087
[05:07] <TriumphOfDeath> What 's suppose to do with that?
[05:08] <XubuntuKris> thanks ubottu
[05:08] <XubuntuKris> but if there's a fix, we would like a link to it.lol
[05:09] <XubuntuKris> ( I know I'm talking to a bot )
[05:09] <TriumphOfDeath> XubuntuKris: ?
[05:09] <XubuntuKris> you posted about the bug and ubottu responded...
[05:10] <XubuntuKris> ubottu is a bot...hence the uBOTtu
[05:10] <XubuntuKris> see^^^
[05:10] <TriumphOfDeath> lol nice
[05:10] <XubuntuKris> ubottu is only as intelligent as his maker
[05:10] <TriumphOfDeath> well done ubottu
[05:11] <XubuntuKris> lol
[05:11] <TriumphOfDeath> he don't talk to me :(
[05:11] <TriumphOfDeath> bad bot
[05:11] <XubuntuKris> http://xubuntu.wordpress.com/2007/08/27/howto-remove-the-borders-of-your-desktop-icon-text/
[05:11] <XubuntuKris> answer to your question TriumphOfDeath ^^^
[05:11] <XubuntuKris> follow that guide
[05:12] <XubuntuKris> It should work, but I didn't read it all the way through
[05:12] <TriumphOfDeath> XubuntuKris: Awose thks a lot!
[05:12] <TriumphOfDeath> *Awosome
[05:12] <TriumphOfDeath> ;(
[05:12] <XubuntuKris> np
[05:12] <XubuntuKris> I'll be trying it myself.
[05:12] <XubuntuKris> lol
[05:12] <TriumphOfDeath> :D
[05:12] <XubuntuKris> I hate that dang border
[05:16] <XubuntuKris> brb, rebooting for effect.lol
[05:25] <zus> where is the link for installing dvd playback and MP3's  for xubuntu please
[05:26] <XubuntuKris> Is nice
[05:26] <zus>  and flash would be nice as well.
[05:27] <XubuntuKris> !mp3
[05:27] <XubuntuKris> !dvd
[05:27] <XubuntuKris> !flash
[05:27] <XubuntuKris> zus ^^^
[05:27] <zus> XubuntuKris,  thank you kindly!
[05:27] <XubuntuKris> don't thank me, thank the maker of ubottu
[05:28] <XubuntuKris> lol
[05:28] <zus> lol
[06:15] <erkan^> goedemorgen ubuntu'ers
[06:21] <TriumphOfDeath> HellO people; there is someway to get back Guarddog? Gd is a software to config IPTables as firewallbuilder, fw is great but so complex.. and another fws softwares hasn't many options..  Guarddog was worked with kde3 so now is obsolete from 10.10.. Im trying to setup but many dependences has broken.. and no way.. Well Do you know any way, trick or idea to run GD in U11.10 ?
[06:30] <sandra_> Hello my fellow Xubuntu inmates :-)
[06:30] <sandra_> I trust everyone of you doing well and have plans to out dancing tonight
[06:31] <sandra_> but not before I ask my questions lol
[07:52] <macss> hello
[07:53] <macss> i can't see network in nautilus on 11.10 , is it currently broken ?
[08:34] <reon> I installed alacarte last night but it pull in a whole lot of crap, how can I remove alacarte and all the crap? If I uninstall alacarte it does not remove the extra stuff
[08:35] <Sysi> aptitude might do that
[08:41] <lighta> switch back to xfce4, hey guys I don't found how to add system monitor in panel again, how can I do that ? (not in menu list)
[08:41] <well_laid_lawn> !info xfce4-goodies
[08:42] <reon> Sysi, I just tried the --with recommends options and that only lists a few packages
[08:42] <well_laid_lawn> I dunno if that helps
[08:42] <lighta> ok thx well_laid_lawn i'll look this pacage
[08:44] <lighta> yep sound like i'll do the job well_laid_lawn with : xfce4-cpufreq-plugin
[08:44] <well_laid_lawn> cheers
[08:58] <boogyman> hi
[09:09] <reon> Jack-xubuntu, you there?
[09:14] <incorrect> hey reon
[09:26] <reon> howzit incorrect
[09:26] <incorrect> oh are you south african?
[09:26] <reon> yebo yes :)
[09:27] <incorrect> aren't you supposed to say howzit my china?
[09:27] <reon> lol, sounds a bit ancient
[09:28] <incorrect> i dunno, this is what i was told was said there
[09:29] <reon> dunno, have not heard that in ages, was more common in the older days I think
[09:29] <reon> maybe in some other parts?
[09:29] <incorrect> i have a feeling they told me so i would look an idiot
[09:30] <reon> nah, doubt it, I have heard the phrase before, epsecially when I was younger, suspect it is probabaly still used in other parts of the country.
[09:31] <reon> By the coast with the surf culture we just say howzit, maybe it's due to lazyness that we leave the rest of the phrase out :D
[09:31] <incorrect> fair enough
[09:32] <reon> busy watching the rugby and the kiwis are giving it to oz
[09:33] <incorrect> we are sucking big time, so i am told
[09:33] <reon> we?
[09:33] <incorrect> oh sorry, english
[09:35] <reon> england is out of the tournament. France beat Wales yesterday and NZ looks like they will beat Ozz with 8min to go
[09:35] <knome> hey reon, incorrect: #xubuntu-offtopic :)
[09:35] <reon> sorry
[09:36] <reon> can't manage two channels and watch the tv :)
[09:36] <knome> heh
[09:38] <incorrect> oops, sorry
[09:39] <reon> ok, I still need to figure out how to completely remove alacarte and everything it pulled in
[09:40] <knome> reon, sudo apt-get purge alacarte && sudo apt-get autoremove
[09:41] <incorrect> apt-get --purge autoremove alacarte ?
[09:41] <knome> hmmh, that too
[09:42] <knome> seems like my apt-fu is getting outdated
[09:42] <incorrect> i am just lazy, if i can find a way to do it in less effort i will
[09:49] <johnnyzero> Every time I press the apostrophe key or accent key I have to press it twice for it to type. Is that normal with XUbuntu?
[09:51] <knome> johnnyzero, i suppose that has something to do with the keyboard layout too, but yes, it's normal, since if you press it once, and then for example a, you get á
[09:52] <johnnyzero> ooh
[09:52] <johnnyzero> It set up as US International
[09:52] <johnnyzero> áh I get it
[09:52] <johnnyzero> How can I set it to go back to US rather than US International
[09:53] <reon> knome, that does not even remove half of the stuff?
[09:54] <knome> reon, it should, at least if other apps you have installed do not have the same deps
[09:55] <johnnyzero> Oh wait
[09:55] <johnnyzero> Never mind
[09:55] <reon> I installed no other apps after alacarte so the there should be no dpes beyond what alacarte needs
[09:55] <johnnyzero> I saw something that said sudo kcontrol
[09:55] <johnnyzero> Lets see if that works
[09:55] <johnnyzero> nope
[09:55] <knome> johnnyzero, what is that supposed to do?
[09:56] <johnnyzero> Well I have to change my keyboard layout
[09:56] <johnnyzero> For some reason during install it keeps selecting US International. I kinda want it to be English/US
[09:57] <reon> why don't you specify the kbd layout?
[09:57] <reon> during install
[09:57] <knome> johnnyzero, check settings manager -> keyboard, tab layout
[09:57] <johnnyzero> I guess to be honest I am not exactly used to the install. Kinda gave me a text install for x86_64
[09:58] <knome> johnnyzero, kcontrol sounds like something for kde
[09:58] <johnnyzero> Yeah thats what I figured actually
[10:01] <xubuntu577> hello
[10:03] <knome> xubuntu577, hello
[10:13] <johnny> Thanx guys
[10:16] <knome> np
[10:25] <johnnyzero> Its kind of hard to get used to. I'm used to Gnome 2.
[10:26] <johnnyzero> Like the whole not being able to move my applets on the tool bar side to side
[10:26] <cyocum> Hi, I just upgraded to xubuntu 11.10 and now I have mousepad and leafpad, onboard and onboard settings, and print dialogue and print manager...how can remove the duplicates?
[10:28] <khaard> cyocum, i've never upgraded an *ubuntu system harmless... all u got2do is to save ur work @ ~ and reinstall it
[10:28] <beardygnome> cyocum: onboard settings is the settings manager for onboard, i don't think it is a duplicate
[10:28] <beardygnome> khaard: thatis interesting, i've alwayd upgraded and never had any issues
[10:29] <cyocum> ok
[10:29] <beardygnome> cyocum: you can uninstall programs you don't want using the ubuntu software centre
[10:29] <cyocum> can I just uninstall mousepad
[10:29] <cyocum> yeah, I use synaptic or apt-get usually
[10:29] <beardygnome> yes
[10:30] <beardygnome> or you can keep it and uninstall leafpad - that's the beauty of freedom :-)
[10:30] <cyocum> indeed :)
[10:30] <cyocum> I tend to stick with whatever the community chooses as default as I code all day already
[10:30] <beardygnome> i don't believe that print manager and print dialog are dupes either
[10:30] <cyocum> cool
[10:32] <khaard> beardygnome, u are a LUCKY guy
[10:33] <DanielSenat> HOw to get skype working correctly in xubuntu? No microfone sound, no cam
[10:33] <reon> this alacarte thing is gonna drive me nuts. on my login screen I know have a gnome3 panel, somehow my grub splash has changed to the debian one....
[10:33]  * johnnyzero won't use Unity or Gnome 3 hence why I had to switch to this
[10:34] <johnnyzero> There was LUbuntu but I tried it and it didn't work the way I wanted it to
[10:34] <johnnyzero> This is similar to Gnome 2 however, I liked the set up better of Gnome 2. Again I can't seem to do much with the applets on the docking panels. They won't move.
[10:35] <lighta> what doesn't move on your panel ?
[10:35] <johnnyzero> Nothing does. If I try to say move the menu button to the left or right it won't move.
[10:36] <cyocum> DanielSenat, I have to go into my sound preferences and set options->mic jack mode
[10:36] <lighta> work for me, weird ><
[10:36] <johnnyzero> Even if I right click and it move it doesn't
[10:36] <johnnyzero> For some reason
[10:36] <lighta> do you mean it automove back in old position ?
[10:37] <DanielSenat> cyocum, ok, i will try
[10:37] <johnnyzero> No it just doesn't move at all lighta
[10:37] <johnnyzero> Its almost as if its locked into place
[10:37] <lighta> wich item did you try, I can't believe it can move ! must have done something wrong
[10:39] <DanielSenat> cyocum, I don't have that option in my alsa mixer...
[10:39] <lighta> johnnyzero, did you try adding a new item and move it ?
[10:39] <cyocum> DanielSenat, huh, it is under the options tab in the sound settings
[10:39] <cyocum> at least in mine
[10:40] <johnnyzero> lighta, I did
[10:40] <lighta> weird =/
[10:40] <johnnyzero> lighta, I actually wanted to structure the desktop similar to a gnome 2 desktop
[10:41] <johnnyzero> and create two panels
[10:41] <johnnyzero> Which I was able to do
[10:41] <johnnyzero> However
[10:41] <johnnyzero> I can't move the applets the way I would like them to be
[10:41] <johnnyzero> I was using Ubuntu 10.10 as a blueprint
[10:41] <lighta> that a theme ?
[10:41] <johnnyzero> Trying to make XFCE feel more like Gnome 2
[10:42] <beardygnome> johnnyzero: some applets are now in the indicator area, so can't be moved
[10:42] <johnnyzero> lighta, well thats another thing I tried
[10:42] <johnnyzero> There is a Gnome Legacy Theme at XFCE look
[10:43] <johnnyzero> Though it requires you to throw Metacity in as a WM
[10:43] <johnnyzero> and I don't want to take the risk of Metacity turning my desktop into Gnome 3
[10:44] <lighta> ok
[10:45] <johnnyzero> I suppose I could wait until another XFCE upgrade comes along
[10:46] <johnnyzero> Maybe they will add in more features
[10:46] <knome> there is not going to be one in the near future
[10:46] <johnnyzero> So you could slide around the applets just like you could in Gnome 2
[10:46] <johnnyzero> Or I will get used to the way it is as it is.
[10:46] <johnnyzero> Which could happen
[10:47] <Olbi> hello :)
[10:47] <knome> you don't usually add/move panel applets everyday anyway, do you?
[10:47] <Olbi> where I can report problems with styles in Xubuntu on some apps?
[10:47] <knome> Olbi, which style?
[10:47] <johnnyzero> knome, I never did before. Actually on my Gnome 2 Ubuntu distros I always left everything as default.
[10:48] <Olbi> bluebirds, which are yours, knome :]
[10:48] <johnnyzero> Which is why when I reinstalled XUbuntu I left everything as default
[10:48] <knome> Olbi, umphfff
[10:48] <johnnyzero> This way I could potentially get used to how the set up is
[10:49] <Olbi> I dont know, who is reponsibble for it, but Ubuntu Software Center isnt this tyle :(
[10:49] <knome> Olbi, https://bugs.launchpad.net/xubuntu-artwork/
[10:49] <Olbi> and some plugins i firefox too :P
[10:49] <knome> Olbi, (since there is no bluebird product in LP)
[10:49] <knome> bluebird hasn't been maintained for oneiric
[10:49] <Olbi> :(
[10:49] <knome> meaning it can very well have bugs :)
[10:49] <Olbi> this is my favourite :P
[10:50] <knome> sorry, we had to use our time in greybird and it working with gtk3 at least somewhat nicely
[10:50] <knome> + other things too
[10:51] <Olbi> I use bluebirds for style and albatross for tolbars' windows :)
[10:51] <knome> mmh
[10:51] <knome> i'm afraid albatross can have bugs too :)
[10:51] <Olbi> :P
[10:51] <Olbi> fdsiohfsdhfghsgfsdgf ....
[10:52] <Olbi> so which styles are support for oneric?:P
[10:52] <Olbi> greybird,
[10:52] <knome> greybird, and greybird
[10:52] <knome> oh, and greybird
[10:52] <Olbi> :D
[10:52] <knome> that's all we have now
[10:53] <Olbi> how I can help with other styles?
[10:53] <knome> it actually makes a valid schema to try to support all of the themes in 12.04 LTS
[10:53] <knome> Olbi, file bugs
[10:53] <Olbi> ok
[10:53] <johnnyzero> I suppose Linus Torvalds likes XFCE
[10:53] <johnnyzero> So I mean meh I suppose over time I could get used to it
[10:55] <knome> Olbi, you can file all bugs in the mentioned URL, and albatross tracks bugs separately in LP too
[10:55] <knome> Olbi, i probably should create projects for blue and greybird too
[10:55] <Olbi> ok
[10:55] <Olbi> first I do report on xubuntu-artwork in LP
[10:56] <knome> Olbi, that's fine, we will receive the bugmail for that now
[10:56] <Sysi> johnnyzero: linus likes old gnome and possibly old kde, xfce is his last resort on modern linux desktops
[10:56] <knome> Olbi, we can handle the moving (if needed) to correct projects ourself :)
[10:57] <Olbi> :)
[10:59] <johnnyzero> Sysi, well I can't say I blame him. I can recall having tons of issues on Gnome 3. Also when I was using Unity I remember I had to minimize AMSN and the app completely disappeared. Then when I tried to run a new AMSN it said it was already running. Though I couldn't find it anywhere. I had to log out and back in again.
[11:00] <Sysi> johnnyzero: of course he may actually like xfce; as my experience unity is messy, gnome3 is nice if it fits your workflow
[11:02] <Sysi> I never liked old gnome, kde got lot more clear after 4.2 and even better at 4.5
[11:02] <Sysi> I still prefer xfce
[11:03] <johnnyzero> gnome 3 was very buggy for me. It would freeze even when I went anywhere near the bottom of the screen. Or the apps would start dancing around and it would lag a lot. It was not a great experience either.
[11:04] <reon> how do I restore the default xubuntu grub config&splash image?
[11:04] <johnnyzero> Oh yeah is there any way I could do an auto login?
[11:04] <johnnyzero> Without dealing with the session screen?
[11:05] <johnnyzero> The text install wouldn't give me that option
[11:05] <johnnyzero> and it seems that the x86_64 version of XUbuntu is only the text install
[11:05] <johnnyzero> Or thats all I could find
[11:05] <knome> johnnyzero, mmh, no, that's not correct
[11:06] <knome> johnnyzero, the desktop iso of 64 has a GUI install too
[11:06] <knome> (and livecd)
[11:06] <johnnyzero> ooh
[11:06] <johnnyzero> Hmm weird cause it only seemed to give me a text install
[11:06] <knome> maybe you had the alternative iso, or some problems
[11:06] <johnnyzero> Ooh
[11:06] <johnnyzero> Yeah I did have the alternative
[11:07] <johnnyzero> I downloaded the wrong one doh
[11:07] <johnnyzero> Ah well
[11:07] <knome> yup, the alternative ISO is always text install, even with i386
[11:11] <johnnyzero> Well anyways is there a way to autologin?
[11:11] <reon> where are the grub images saved?
[11:12] <johnnyzero> Ooh
[11:12] <johnnyzero> Session and Startup
[11:12] <johnnyzero> I see
[11:12] <johnnyzero> This really takes getting used to
[11:13] <johnnyzero> wait a minute
[11:13] <johnnyzero> I see the Session and Startup
[11:13] <johnnyzero> But there is no option for an autologin
[11:14] <Sysi> I think you can't get autologin from GUI settings, somewhere you can enable passwd-free login but no autologin
[11:14] <Sysi> sessions and startup is xfce settings, login isn't handled by xfce
[11:15] <reon> johnnyzero, edit /etc/lightdm.conf and set default-user and default-user-timeout in [default-display]
[11:15] <johnnyzero> ahh ok thanx
[11:15] <reon> here's an example for ubuntu http://askubuntu.com/questions/51086/how-do-i-enable-auto-login-with-lightdm
[11:16] <johnnyzero> You sure thats where the file is?
[11:16] <johnnyzero> Its blank
[11:17] <johnnyzero> there is a lightdm file
[11:17] <johnnyzero> But no .conf
[11:18] <johnnyzero> hmm actually its a directory
[11:18] <johnnyzero> ahh theres the .conf
[11:18] <johnnyzero> I see
[11:18] <reon> :)
[11:20] <beardygnome> is it just me, or does lightdm not provide a way to shutdown or restart from the login screen?
[11:20] <johnnyzero> ok let me try this out
[11:20] <johnnyzero> I'll restart
[11:24] <johnnyzero> thanx :D worked
[11:30] <Olbi> I can't find Autostarted Applications in Xfce Menu, where it is?
[11:30] <Sysi> sessions and startup
[11:30] <Sysi> or session managment, you can reset with rm -rf ~/.cache/sessions
[11:32] <Olbi> weird, I dont have it :P
[11:33] <Sysi> preferences → settings manager → sessions and startup
[11:34] <Olbi> ... I'm idiot :P
[12:16] <Olbi> how can I change visible font size under icon?
[12:17] <knome> Olbi, in desktop?
[12:17] <Olbi> yes
[12:17] <knome> Olbi, right-click -> desktop settings -> tab icons -> [X] use custom font size:
[12:19] <Olbi> ok, but some names are too long and isnt visible or wrapped
[12:19] <knome> Olbi, nothing you can do about that
[12:19] <Olbi> shy :(
[12:20] <Olbi> in xml settings I cant change anything?
[12:20] <knome> better ask #xfce about that
[12:20] <Olbi> ok
[12:29] <Vlyn> Hey
[12:30] <erkan^> hello, i cannot found "main menu".
[12:34] <esptt1> hey! where could i find any info about configuring power options for my laptop? they're kinda messed up.. :)
[12:35] <esptt1> i tried google, but nothing really comes up..
[12:42] <erkan^> esptt1, ? #xfce , perhaps will they help
[12:43] <esptt1> thanks!
[12:54] <erkan^> (-:
[13:09] <pkh> I've just got a new laptop and I'm about to install the 32bit xubuntu -- what I can't decide is whether to go with the 11.10 or 11.04 -- from a friend, I know that this laptop is greatly affected by the higher power usage in the 11.10 kernel. basically wondering if anyone has any idea how long those kinds of problems usually take to get shaken out?
[13:29] <reon> anyone here got a standard xubuntu 11.10 install, I need your the files in your /etc/lightdm forlder please
[13:32] <incorrect> reon, why don't you just get the deb and extract it?
[13:34] <reon> incorrect, I'm having issues with lightdm (can't even reinstall now, even xubuntu-default-settings has issues with it) and would like to compare the config files, as I installes xubuntu from a normal ubuntu base install
[13:38] <thomas8472> My audio isn't working properly. I can't change the volume. if I mute it I can't unmute it without restarting the computer. I've just updated to the newest version of Ubuntu, though I forgot that I'm using Xubuntu. Is that a problem?
[13:43] <reon> thomas8472, a long shot but open a terminal, run alsamixer, unmute and up the volume on ALL the channels
[13:47] <thomas8472> thx, but not working.
[13:49] <hellothere> fresh 11.10 install. I can't find the login screen options / auto login options. where did they vanish to?
[13:50] <reon> Does the default xubuntu install unity-greeter? Can someone please check their installed packages?
[13:51] <knome> reon, Installed: (none)
[13:51] <beardygnome> reon: i have it installed
[13:51] <knome> ^ clean install
[13:51] <beardygnome> i upgraded from an install of 11.04
[13:52] <beardygnome> the 11.04 install was a clean install
[13:52] <reon> ok, when I reinstall xubuntu-desktop it pulls in lightdm and unity greeter and then specifies unity-greeter in the lightdm.conf file.
[13:53] <thomas8472> managed to unmute it with alsamixer, but it still doesn't work with the button.
[13:53] <reon> Can you guys please check you lightdm.conf files to see if unity-greeter or xubuntu is specified for user-session= please?
[13:54] <knome> xubuntu
[13:54] <reon> beardygnome, did you upgrade from ubuntu or xubuntu?
[13:54] <beardygnome> xubuntu - this box has never had ubuntu on it
[13:55] <knome> reon, you can't "upgrade from ubuntu to xubuntu"
[13:55] <reon> knome, clean install of xubuntu or a base install + xubuntu-desktop?
[13:55] <reon> knome, ok thanks
[13:55] <knome> reon, clean install of xubuntu
[13:56] <thomas8472> is xubuntu to ubuntu  also impossible?
[13:56] <reon> knome, beardygnome, can you guys please upload you /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf files to pastebin?
[13:56] <beardygnome> reon: user-session = xubuntu
[13:56] <drc> hellothere: I don't think LDM allows allows autologin at this time.  You can edit the co.nf file to allow it, though
[13:56] <beardygnome> reon: mine is 3 lines
[13:57] <reon> beardygnome, mine specifies unity-greeter
[13:57] <beardygnome> line1: [SeatDeafaults]
[13:57] <beardygnome> line 2 greeter-session=unity-greeter
[13:57] <beardygnome> line 3 user-session=xubuntu
[13:57] <drc> reon: http://pastebin.com/ZKxT0bkV
[13:58] <hellothere> (x)ubuntu is back to editing config files? :(
[13:58] <hellothere> well, thanks anyway
[13:59] <drc> beardygnome: did you install from a beta or later daily?  I think charlie-tca told me it pulled in unity-greeter early on
[13:59] <knome> reon, http://paste.ubuntu.com/709709/
[14:00] <drc> And unity-greeter makes the LDM login to be on the left side of the screen instead of the center.
[14:00] <beardygnome> drc: i installed the final release of 11.04 when i got this box, then upgraded to 11.10 when it was released on thurs
[14:01] <beardygnome> no betas, dailies etc
[14:01] <reon> here's mine, http://paste.ubuntu.com/709713/
[14:01] <reon> greeter-session=unity-greeter
[14:02] <drc> reon: and your login is on the left side of the screen?
[14:02] <beardygnome> drc: my login is on the left
[14:02] <reon> drc, lightdm does not work for me , i'm using gdm at the moment until I can fix lightdm
[14:02] <drc> According to what charlie-tca told me, that is a clear sign of unity-greeter.
[14:03] <reon> if I change greeter-session=unity-greeter to user-session=xubuntu do I have to reconfigure anything?
[14:03] <knome> reon, greeter-session != user-session
[14:04] <reon> knome, sorry I mean greeter-session=lightdm-gtk-greeter
[14:06] <knome> no, i don't think you need to reconfigure
[14:06] <drc> reon: you can try, if it doesn't work you can boot into recovery mode and chage it back
[14:06] <knome> then again i'm not sure
[14:09] <reon> does the default xubuntu login screen look like this http://ompldr.org/vYXUyMA/lightdm.png
[14:10] <reon> That's what I get when I do a test run with lightdm --test-mode -c lightdm.conf
[14:10] <drc> reon: No idea, I use autologin :)
[14:10] <reon> drc, fat load of help you are :p :)
[14:11] <drc> well, if you want, I <can> set up LDM and re-boot...back in a sec
[14:11] <beardygnome> reon: that looks like the old gdm login screem
[14:11] <beardygnome> *screen
[14:13] <drc> except I can't find where to change the login options :(
[14:20] <reon> if I run sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm I get:
[14:20] <reon> dpkg-maintscript-helper: warning: environment variable DPKG_MAINTSCRIPT_NAME missing
[14:20] <beardygnome> reon: i switched my netbook from unity-greeter to lightdm-gtk-greeter and it looks just like your picture
[14:20] <reon> dpkg-maintscript-helper: warning: environment variable DPKG_MAINTSCRIPT_PACKAGE missing
[14:21] <reon> beardygnome, does it differ from the unity-greeter one then?
[14:23] <beardygnome> reon: massively different
[14:24] <beardygnome> the unity one is black with white pattern and "ubuntu 11.10" in the bottom left corner
[14:25] <mtrg> anyone knows why my xubuntu has some apps that are not gtk themed, such as "evince"? my upgrade crashed in the middle of the process and i had to continue it afterwards
[14:25] <beardygnome> it also has no way to shutdown / restart etc
[14:26] <reon> I'm busy searching the net to see what the default should look like
[14:26] <TheSheep> mtrg: they are gtk3 apps
[14:26] <mtrg> TheSheep: so my question is invalid?
[14:26] <TheSheep> mtrg: you need a gtk3 style to have them themed
[14:26] <TheSheep> mtrg: currently there are only 3 gtk3 styles available
[14:27] <mtrg> was evince gtk2 prior to 11.10?
[14:27] <GridCube> mtrg: you need the official gtk3 xubuntu skin, it did not make into the final release image but you can download it from shimmer
[14:27] <TheSheep> mtrg: xubuntu's default, Ambiance and Radiance
[14:27] <TheSheep> mtrg: yes, before that there was no gtk3
[14:27] <TheSheep> mtrg: it's the new gnome3/unity thing
[14:27] <mtrg> ah, that explains it all perfecty
[14:27] <GridCube> !shimmer
[14:27] <mtrg> i'm not following gtk3.. but was it released along with gnome3?
[14:28] <GridCube> before that i think
[14:28] <knome> hm?
[14:29] <beardygnome> can anyone recommend a replacement for lock-keys-applet?
[14:29] <mtrg> that's sad. i need my dark gtk2 themes. white sucks.
[14:30] <TheSheep> mtrg: smae here
[14:30] <TheSheep> same
[14:31] <GridCube> mtrg: get the latest greybird from shimmer
[14:31] <mtrg> is gtk3 backward compatible with gtk2? so gtk2 would still get themed?
[14:31] <GridCube> they are both
[14:31] <GridCube> i mean there are both themes
[14:31] <Sysi> you can use dark gtk2 with not-dark gtk3..
[14:32] <Sysi> but they're using separate theming, check your theme folder, gtk-* folders
[14:32] <mtrg> GridCube: that's not really dark (greybird from shimmer)
[14:32] <GridCube> no but is not white either
[14:32] <mtrg> the content of the windows is mostly white and that kills my eyes so quickly
[14:33] <mtrg> my theme is partly custom made, all dialogs are dark grey
[14:33] <mtrg> is gtk3 faster?
[14:34] <GridCube> oh :) well greybird is currently the only good gtk3 theme, hopefully the great xubuntu people will make a new albatross theme soon XD
[14:35] <mtrg> alatros wasn't dark enough either
[14:35] <TheSheep> mtrg: it's slower, uglier, less usable and emits co2
[14:35] <mtrg> lol
[14:36] <mtrg> justify?
[14:36] <mtrg> guess they added stuff to support the fancyness of gnome3?
[14:36] <TheSheep> there are things you just can't justify
[14:37] <mtrg> your wisdom exceeded my expectations
[14:38] <ahs3-> knome,  its official. I'm a xubuntuer. Thanks for your help
[14:38] <knome> ahs3-, np :)
[14:38] <mtrg> that last two lines of TheSheep are teh most awesome lines i've seen in irc for this month
[14:38] <TheSheep> mtrg: I just hate it with the passion of a thousand suns
[14:39] <mtrg> damn you are awesome! "passion of a thousan suns" love that
[14:39] <lordjj> Installing Xubuntu 11.10 in the place of my current Ubuntu 10.04. Anything I should know?
[14:41] <mtrg> lordjj: using the upgrade system?
[14:41] <mtrg> i mean the apt-get upgrade thingy
[14:41] <lordjj> No. A fresh install.
[14:41] <mtrg> ah, you are ok mostly
[14:42] <mtrg> lordjj: most likely you won't find many themes due to the gtk3 apps
[14:43] <mtrg> currently i have some of apps running my awesome dark theme, while others are just naked (the gtk3 apps are naked,the resent to wear but gtk3)
[14:44] <lordjj> Is it worth installing compiz?
[14:44] <lordjj> I only have 2 gb of RAM on my system
[14:44] <mtrg> abselutely not. it's just good to troll windows/mac users at 1st
[14:44] <mtrg> it's a feature you disable soon after you troll windows/mac users
[14:45] <lordjj> Heh, yeah. But I do like the desktop zoom feature
[14:45] <mtrg> yeah that's cool
[14:45] <lordjj> That's really the only thing I use from compiz
[14:45] <lordjj> Any alternative to that?
[14:45] <mtrg> i don't like their wm
[14:45] <mtrg> no idea,
[14:46] <lordjj> To be clear, if I use compiz instead of the default wm. Even with no extra effects enabled, will it be using up more resources?
[14:46] <GridCube> yes
[14:47] <GridCube> but it wont matter to you
[14:47] <mtrg> i suggest you really try it 1st. it's free. installs quick. no big deal just try it
[14:47] <GridCube> whit 2gb of ram and a swap partition you wont feel it
[14:48] <GridCube> I used to use it back in the day, whit 512mb ram
[14:48] <lordjj> Also, I'd like to know how much harddisk space is recommended for the filesystem, and swap space.
[14:49] <jfe> hi all.
[14:50] <reon> anybody know of a good gui util to customise grub with?
[14:50] <jfe> i want to run xubuntu under parallels on my macbook pro that has an intel core i5 cpu. i'd like to use the 64-bit version but i'm not sure if i should choose the "PC (Intel x86)" or "64-bit PC (AMD64)" iso.
[14:51] <GridCube> reon, what do you mean by costumizing?
[14:51] <GridCube> latest grub is very inteligent, if you want to have a background image just drop one to the grub folder and update it
[14:52] <GridCube> if you want to use the 64bit, you oneed the 64bit one O_o
[14:52] <incorrect> how funny, my mute button mutes pulse audio, but doesn't unmute it
[14:52] <GridCube> ah, that does happen
[14:52] <TheSheep> incorrect: same here
[14:52] <reon> changing the splash images etc
[14:53] <incorrect> oh well, could be worse
[14:53] <martijn1985> Does anyone have an idea how to assign a shortcut key to switching to a different workspace? I can see how to move an window, but not just the focus...
[14:53] <TheSheep> reon: that's upstart, not grub
[14:53] <reon> GridCube, changing splash etc. Is https://launchpad.net/~danielrichter2007/+archive/grub-customizer any good?
[14:53] <TheSheep> martijn1985: settings --> window manager settings --> keyboard
[14:54] <GridCube> reon, you don't need anithing like that, as said you just drop files into the grub folder and sudo update-grub and done
[14:54] <martijn1985> TheSheep , obviously...thanks
[14:54] <beardygnome> GridCube: where is the background that lightdm uses?
[14:55] <beardygnome> i'd like to use that for grub as well
[14:55] <reon> GridCube, my brug splash & menu fonts are borked. It uses the debian background image. I would like to restore to the original xubuntu ones but no clue where to start
[14:55] <GridCube> /usr/share/xfce4/backdrops?
[14:56] <beardygnome> thanks
[14:57] <beardygnome> GridCube: which grub folder do it put it in, /boot/grub?
[14:57] <GridCube> reon, take a wallpaper, any one, place it on /boot/grub    go to a terminal and write >sudo update-grub
[14:57] <GridCube> it will say "you have an image on the folder! using it as background
[14:58] <GridCube> or something like that
[14:58] <GridCube> you can also use /usr/share/images/grub/
[14:58] <reon> GridCube, but I don't know what the default Xubuntu image looks like or where it's located
[14:58] <GridCube> /usr/share/xfce4/backdrops
[14:59] <GridCube> there is where all images are located, by default xubuntu doesnt use any image for grub
[14:59] <GridCube> just black
[14:59] <GridCube> you can choose what ever you want
[15:02] <GridCube> there is also this; http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1195275
[15:03] <jfe> any idea what iso i should use for intel core i5?
[15:03] <GridCube> the standard one?
[15:03] <jfe> GridCube: which is...?
[15:04] <beardygnome> jfe: we don't have different iso for different intel processors
[15:04] <beardygnome> the options are 32bit or 64 bit
[15:04] <GridCube> oh, its a 64bit cpu, so anyone you want
[15:04] <jfe> beardygnome: so "AMD64" also applies to intel processors?
[15:04] <beardygnome> jfe: yes
[15:04] <GridCube> jfe, yes thats just the generic name
[15:05] <GridCube> because they where first
[15:05] <jfe> ah, okay. sorry for the confusion.
[15:05] <GridCube> or something like that
[15:05] <GridCube> :D
[15:05] <beardygnome> jfe:  no worries :-)
[15:05] <GridCube> dont worry jfe
[15:05]  * GridCube hiveminds beardygnome 
[15:06]  * beardygnome attempts to resist :-)
[15:29] <lrojas> hi all, i'm trying to run a game in my xubuntu install, but i get the error  error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[15:29] <lrojas> anybody has any idea how to install openGL?
[15:32] <lrojas> $ uname -a
[15:32] <lrojas> Linux Tycho 3.0.0-12-generic #20-Ubuntu SMP Fri Oct 7 14:56:25 UTC 2011 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[15:33] <jcfp> lrojas: libGL.so.1 comes as part of (3D) video card drivers (nvidia/ati's fglrx/etc)
[15:34] <lrojas> my card is an intell FX3000 or something
[15:35] <lrojas> does that mean, i can't run any openGL apps?
[15:35] <jcfp> does that thing do 3d?
[15:37] <jcfp> I don't know anything about intel graphics
[15:37] <lrojas> it does 3d when in windows
[15:37] <lrojas> is the intel HD 3000
[15:38] <Sysi> lrojas: what xubuntu version?
[15:39] <lrojas> 11.10
[15:39] <Sysi> oh well, kernel should be new anough
[15:39] <lrojas> is there anything i can do to troubleshoot this?
[15:39] <lrojas> $ uname -a
[15:39] <lrojas> Linux Tycho 3.0.0-12-generic #20-Ubuntu SMP Fri Oct 7 14:56:25 UTC 2011 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[15:40] <reon> The Intel HD 3000 should do OpenGL just fine, supports opengl 3.1
[15:40] <lrojas> the problem is that openGL is not installed with xubuntu 11.10
[15:41] <lrojas> if i try to do glxdemo it's not in the system
[15:41] <lrojas> as well as libGL.so either
[15:43] <reon> open synaptic and type in opengl and then sort by installed packages, it must be installed.
[15:43] <reon> what game are you trying to install
[15:44] <reon> what game are you trying to install?
[15:44] <sandra_> G'day my fellow Xubuntu inmates :-)
[15:44] <reon> hi
[15:44] <sandra_> I trust you all are doing well :-)
[15:44] <lordjj> How do I specify a separate partition for Home during installation?
[15:44] <reon> select manual partitioning
[15:45] <knome> lordjj, you need to select the "something else" -option
[15:45] <lordjj> knome, yes I did. But then what.
[15:45] <reon> lrojas ?
[15:45] <lordjj> I didn't see anything related to Home
[15:46] <knome> lordjj, create two partitions, mount them as ext3, and set the mountpoints to / and /home
[15:46] <lordjj> knome, can you point me to a tutorial?
[15:46] <GridCube> lordjj, using standard install or alternate?
[15:46] <reon> lordjj http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/images/extra/LINUX/small/ubuntu1104installation-small_004.png
[15:46] <knome> (you can choose ext4 or any other fs too btw...)
[15:46] <lordjj> GridCube, what do you mean
[15:47] <knome> lordjj, see the pircture reon pasted
[15:47] <lrojas> reon, actually i'm trying to run tales of M'jal ( http://te4.org/tome )
[15:47] <sandra_> Can somone be kind enough to tell me how I can get Xubuntu  sound mixer to default sound to my USB headset? I know how to do it under Ubuntu 11.10  but unfortunately it's not that easy or elegant under Xubuntu .
[15:47] <GridCube> sandra_, i do not understand
[15:48] <knome> sandra_, have you looked at pavucontrol?
[15:48] <reon> sandra_ let me know when you find out, I still have to cross that bridge when I eventually get to it.
[15:48] <GridCube> lordjj, the alternate installer has one TUI partition editor and the standard one has a GUI partition editor
[15:48] <GridCube> i guess you are using the standard installer whit all the fancy windows and stuff
[15:48] <lordjj> GridCube, GUI.
[15:49] <GridCube> so what you need to do is;
[15:49] <lrojas> reon, ??
[15:49] <GridCube> choose manual partitions, rezise one to say, 25gb, format it to ext4 and say to it to mount on /
[15:49] <sandra_> knome, I did install pavucontrol  in order to be able to use my usb headset but it seems more like a work around due to Xubuntu inability to default sound to my USB headset . Under Ubuntu 11.10 I just select my USB headset and it works.
[15:50] <GridCube> then choose the rest of the disk you did not use for / and say it to format to ext4 and to mount on /home
[15:50] <reon> lrojas are you trying to install from the repos or a different source
[15:50] <GridCube> before that you could add an extra partition for swap
[15:51] <GridCube> and you will probably have to too
[15:51] <GridCube> XD to too
[15:51] <lrojas> reon, that's not in the repos
[15:51] <lrojas> is only available form the web page i linked
[15:51] <reon> sandra_ just tick & switch the green bottons next to the output devices or does it not stay persistant?
[15:52] <Jack-xubuntu> Is there any way to create a shared folder in xubuntu  ?
[15:52] <reon> lrojas then it's probably built against a older version of ubuntu with specific dependencies that are no longer met in 11.10
[15:52] <lordjj> GridCube, knome reon : ok that made things clear thanks. But I have a 140GB partition with data on it that I want to use. I want to take 30 GB for the filesystem from it. How do I do that without losing the data on it?
[15:53] <sandra_> reon, green buttons ?  could you be kind enough to use  pastebin so I can see what you are talking about please ?
[15:53] <lordjj> Also, what is the Logical/Extended option for?
[15:54] <sandra_> reon, Because I've done all I know to do in order to get sound to default to my USB headset w/out using pavucontrol  program.
[15:54] <GridCube> lordjj, ok
[15:54] <reon> lordjj, use gparted to resize the partition (BUT normal disclaimer of backing up your data applies!)
[15:54] <GridCube> do this
[15:54] <Jack-xubuntu> I want a shared folder on my network
[15:55] <reon> sandra_, hang five
[15:55] <Jack-xubuntu> 'Cause all 5 of my pc have one.
[15:55] <reon> lrojas have you tried tome in the repos?
[15:55] <sandra_> reon, going into holding pattern lol
[15:55] <GridCube> use gparted to rezise the disk, then choose it for the instalation, and say the other to mount on a folder, be aware that if said partition is not on ext4 or some other format that allow the standard unix permissions things will broke, so if its on ntfs you can not use it as a /home, you can tho, mount it on /home/user/disk
[15:56] <reon> sandra_,  lol - http://ompldr.org/vYXU0dQ/pavu.png
[15:56] <GridCube> lordjj, also >Normal Disclaimer of backing up your data applies!
[15:57] <reon> sandra_ selecting and deselecting those two green tick buttons allows you to change between primary & fallback devices ;) Dunno if it's persistent on a reboot though.
[15:57] <lordjj> Ok thank you all.
[15:58] <Jack-xubuntu> Is there any way to create a shared folder on my network through xubuntu  ?
[15:58] <reon> Jack-xubuntu, did you get that link I sent you earlier?
[15:58] <Jack-xubuntu> Yes.
[15:58] <reon> Jack-xubuntu, about post xubuntu install tips
[15:58] <reon> ok, cool, just checking
[15:58] <Jack-xubuntu> https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/xubuntu yes
[15:59] <Jack-xubuntu> Is it on there?
[15:59] <sandra_> reon, yes that is the program I am currently using in order to get my USB headset to work . I was hoping there was a solution w/in the sound mixer that Xfce uses.
[16:01] <Jack-xubuntu> No its no on that website... I think.
[16:02] <reon> sandra_ I also have both like you but I just have not gotten round to looking for a simple solution yet. Do you come here often as I could try to remember to let you know if I find something, dunno of another method to get hold of you.
[16:04] <sandra_> reon, Yes I do come to this chat channel often :-)
[16:04] <reon> sandra_ another method is to click on the volume icon, sound-settings and change the device.
[16:06] <Jack-xubuntu> Simple enogh, i figured that one out when i was using skype on Ubuntu
[16:06] <Jack-xubuntu> then i switched to xubuntu.
[16:06] <Jack-xubuntu> Same old Same old.
[16:06] <reon> Jack-xubuntu, no it's not on that site
[16:07] <Jack-xubuntu> I figred.
[16:07] <Jack-xubuntu> *figured
[16:07] <reon> sandra_ keep asking me if I found something when you see me online, my memory is not what it used to be anymore. I'm sure one could write a small switcher script with a toggle button on the panel but that's like black magic to me.
[16:08] <sandra_> reon, lol sure I will thank you for your help
[16:09] <reon> Jack-xubuntu, do you want to share a local folder on your xubuntu with another pc on the network(linux or windows)?
[16:09] <Jack-xubuntu> Yes, Like i did on Ubuntu.
[16:10] <reon> Jack-xubuntu, are you sharing with other linux computer or windows ones?
[16:12] <Jack-xubuntu> All of the above, like I said.
[16:13] <Jack-xubuntu> If it is a windows share, i can access it from my linux laptop.
[16:14] <sandra_> reon, Would you happen to know if compiz can be used in Xubuntu ?
[16:14] <Jack-xubuntu> And from my Desktops runnin XP
[16:14] <drc> !compiz
[16:14] <reon> sandra_ yes it can but why would you want to?
[16:15] <GridCube> Jack-xubuntu, you could use ssh from windows :P
[16:15] <sandra_> reon, I'm only asking because I do use it compiz under ubuntu 11.04
[16:15] <reon> someone here mentioned earlier they are using the compiz wm instead of the xfce one so it can be done.
[16:15] <knome> compiz with xfce isn't really supported (not that you couldn't do that though)
[16:16] <GridCube> sandra_, http://alturl.com/qq8o4 question 9
[16:18] <sandra_> GridCube, Thank you kindly :-)
[16:19] <Jack-xubuntu> GridCube: What's That
[16:19] <Jack-xubuntu> I am not Familiar with ssh
[16:19] <GridCube> !ssh
[16:21] <Jack-xubuntu> I just want to create a shared folder on my network that is compatible with windows and linux just like in ubuntu. It was a lot simpler in ubuntu>
[16:21] <GridCube> Jack-xubuntu, :( yeah
[16:22] <Jack-xubuntu> Being 12 Sucks
[16:23] <Jack-xubuntu> I dont really know much about linux... its all new to me.
[16:23] <ElderDryas> Jack-xubuntu: Just wait until 'buntu enters puberty :(
[16:23] <Jack-xubuntu> lol
[16:24] <Jack-xubuntu> If you heard my voice on skype, i could pass for a 18 year old :/
[16:24] <reon> I see there used to be a thunar-shares-plugin which did the same thing as nautilus-shares, wonder why it's gone
[16:25] <Jack-xubuntu> Now that makes sence.
[16:26] <reon> Jack-xubuntu, have a look at system-config-samba package
[16:28] <Jack-xubuntu> There is a package that has a thunar shares plugin, http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/thunar-plugins/thunar-shares-plugin
[16:29] <GridCube> !fusesmb
[16:29] <GridCube> :D thats what you need Jack-xubuntu
[16:30] <TriumphOfDeath> HI, there is someway to put a Rhythmbox icon into notification area, Im using xfce4.8
[16:30] <reon> Jack-xubuntu, i have xfce goodies installed and that package is not part of it. I also found this PPA https://launchpad.net/thunar-shares/
[16:31] <reon> Jack-xubuntu, ignore that PPA, it looks ancient
[16:31] <GridCube> TriumphOfDeath, very probably rythmbox has a "add an icon to the notification area" option on its options
[16:31] <Jack-xubuntu> OK, ...
[16:31] <neighborlee> Is xubuntu ( read a review which stated this but that was a yearish ago ) still mono free and is that meant to be forwarded onto future releases ? ;)
[16:31] <nimo> how do I control screensaver ??
[16:32] <dahaic> hello, can someone point me to the newer package of the evolution-rss? I just upgraded to oneiric, and it has little bit of problem. rss has dependency <<3.2 but evolution itself is 3.2 version :/
[16:32] <GridCube> if i can convince them to install pinta by default then no XD
[16:32] <TriumphOfDeath> GridCube: Hi, indeed, but for some reason all of then (plugins) are disable, i think is xfce config imcopability
[16:32] <Jack-xubuntu> I installed fusesmb, I am going to try it now :)
[16:33] <Jack-xubuntu> ... how do you use fusesmb...
[16:34] <GridCube> Jack-xubuntu, the link should tell you
[16:34] <GridCube> or google XD
[16:34] <Jack-xubuntu> Sorry for being completely stupid...
[16:34] <GridCube> nah
[16:34] <GridCube> its you are not :)
[16:35] <GridCube> TriumphOfDeath, that i dont know
[16:35] <GridCube> im using exaile insted of gmusicbrowser and its notification icon works fine
[16:35] <TriumphOfDeath> :(
[16:35] <TriumphOfDeath> it's ok
[16:37] <GridCube> thats fun
[16:37] <GridCube> i do not have a package rythmbox on oneiric
[16:37] <GridCube> !info rytmbox oneiric
[16:37] <GridCube> !info rythmbox oneiric
[16:38] <knome> !info rhythmbox oneiric
[16:38] <knome> there i fixed it for you
[16:38] <GridCube> oh
[16:38] <reon> Jack-xubuntu, hey did you look at Jack-xubuntu, have a look at system-config-samba package
[16:38] <GridCube> XD there where an extra h
[16:39] <GridCube> knome, do you happen to know if its posible to change gmusicbrowser for exaile on the sound applet?
[16:39] <TriumphOfDeath> GridCube: OMG I understands now, it happends to old gnome users, we think that Xfce  is the same
[16:39] <GridCube> XD
[16:39] <knome> GridCube, umh, i suppose it works if exaile supports the soundmenu or whatever it's called
[16:40] <sandra_> I have a question it's Xfce related I was wondering if anyone here is familiar with a distro named LinuxMint and if so I was wondering could Xfce be skinned to look & feel like the linuxmint menu gnome menu ?
[16:41] <knome> sandra_, yes i suppose so, if you have the time and are willing to do the effort
[16:41] <knome> sandra_, it's just that xubuntu is meant to look different
[16:42] <GridCube> sandra_, the linuxMint menu is for gnome, so very probably wont work on xfce
[16:42] <knome> i don't know the menu, mmh. GridCube, is it something completely different?
[16:43] <GridCube> http://distrocheck.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/menutip.png
[16:43] <knome> ah, right
[16:43] <knome> no, i don't think that works with xfce, unless you can get the gnome menu applet into the xfce panel
[16:43] <sandra_> GridCube, I was hoping the Linuxmint menu could be replicated in Xfce if possible of course.
[16:44] <GridCube> http://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/367
[16:44] <GridCube> you will probably need the mint sources tho
[16:44] <TriumphOfDeath> Gridcube: another question do u know some kind of desktop panel, I see it in another distro ->a pic  http://goo.gl/CFqDd but I dont know the name for an installation.. can u help me
[16:44] <GridCube> thats twm TriumphOfDeath
[16:45] <knome> conky can do that too
[16:46] <sandra_> GridCube, Thank you so much for this info it's my hope that it could be done using native Xfce w/out any gnome assistance.
[16:46] <GridCube> :/ no i dont think thats possible sandra_
[16:46] <knome> i don't know why anybody wants that his desktop tells his file system is ext4. and what file system/partition/device is that referring to anyway??
[16:46] <nimo> how do you get pictures folder in screensaver ??????+
[16:46] <knome> sandra_, no way to do that with core xfce.
[16:46] <Sysi> nimo: from screensaver settings
[16:46] <reon> GridCube, looks like tint2 to me
[16:47] <nimo> Sysi, its not there :(
[16:47] <TriumphOfDeath> Gridcube: twm?  twm is a window manager for the X Window System, isn't the info panel
[16:47] <Sysi> it should be one of the option, check advanced-tab too
[16:47] <knome> TriumphOfDeath, look at conky, for example. from the filename, i could also think it's "statler"
[16:47] <reon> TriumphOfDeath, it's Tint2 panel they using there
[16:47] <GridCube> nimo, >(start)>configuration>administration>configuration>screensaver>GLSlideshow
[16:48] <GridCube> reon, oh, i never heard of that
[16:48] <TriumphOfDeath> knome: reon: Gridcube: That's it... I appreciate ur help, thks a lot! :D
[16:48] <GridCube> :)
[16:48] <reon> GridCube, very lightweight, I run it on my Arch laptop
[16:48] <GridCube> :P i like xfce XD
[16:49] <GridCube> so i very rarely change to stuff like that
[16:49] <nimo> GlSlideshow is not same as pictures folder
[16:49] <reon> TriumphOfDeath, http://code.google.com/p/tint2/
[16:49] <nimo> GridCube,   GlSlideshow is not same as pictures folder
[16:50] <TriumphOfDeath> reon: Perfect! :D
[16:51] <GridCube> nimo, it is, just change the folder it uses
[16:51] <GridCube> on the [advanced] tab
[16:51] <neighborlee> GridCube, why would linux need pinta, when it has gimp..good luck with that lol
[16:52] <GridCube> D: im pro to delete gimp from all ubuntu distros by default
[16:52] <TheSheep> neighborlee: gimp is a little on the complicated side of user experience
[16:52] <reon> neigborlee, pinta is a really cool app
[16:52] <GridCube> :P but i know im the only one so yeah XD
[16:53] <TheSheep> isn't pinta that .NET app?
[16:53] <GridCube> nope is a mono app
[16:53] <TheSheep> same thing
[16:53] <GridCube> its based on paint.NET
[16:53] <GridCube> yes
[16:53] <GridCube> XD
[16:53] <TriumphOfDeath> knome: awesome!! thks
[16:54] <TheSheep> as long as it lets you put captions on your cats, the users will be happy
[16:54] <neighborlee> TheSheep, no more than PS ;)
[16:54] <knome> TriumphOfDeath, np
[16:55] <neighborlee> TheSheep, thats like saying blender is too complicated, but look at the amazing things it does
[16:55] <TheSheep> neighborlee: actually it has a little bit more non-obvious details in the user interface, like line drawing
[16:55] <nimo> GridCube, i cant find where to change folder.. in settings
[16:55] <neighborlee> TheSheep, besides..we all know mono is dangerous and non free as clearly stated by richard stallman of FSF
[16:55] <nimo> GridCube,  I mark Glslideshow and then press settings
[16:55] <neighborlee> TheSheep, I shall say no more than that
[16:55] <GridCube> nimo, you have two main tabs, one where you choose the screensaver and other one where you can change the advanced options
[16:56] <TheSheep> neighborlee: the problem with mono and xubuntu is the resources
[16:57] <nimo> GridCube,   ok I found it.. thx
[16:57] <GridCube> :D awesome
[16:57] <Jack-xubuntu> We are all Awesome !
[16:58] <GridCube> :D
[16:58] <GridCube> so nimo does it work like you wanted now?
[16:59] <Jack-xubuntu> This is a little off topic, no very off topic but: does anyone here besides me play mineccraft?
[17:00] <Jack-xubuntu> Minecraft*
[17:00] <neighborlee> TheSheep, it should also be about patents
[17:00] <TheSheep> Jack-xubuntu: there is #xubuntu-offtopic and it's awesome!
[17:00] <Jack-xubuntu> ok
[17:00] <neighborlee> TheSheep, as clealry noted by richard stallman of the FSF
[17:00] <neighborlee> TheSheep, Im surprised few have respect for him and his opinions
[17:01] <knome> neighborlee, stop talking about stallman. thanks.
[17:01] <nimo> GridCube, yea great. I wanted this particular pic folder to choose from
[17:01] <babarosa> Hi there! There is a lot going on today ;-)
[17:01] <GridCube> :D
[17:01] <neighborlee> knome, sorry you dont like stallman..my bad
[17:02] <TheSheep> neighborlee: you can talk about him in -offtopic ;)
[17:02] <knome> neighborlee, it's not about if i like stallman or not, but you are being offtopic. if you are told to stop talking about something, please stop.
[17:03] <neighborlee> TheSheep, that will have zero impact,,but thx anyway ;)
[17:04] <neighborlee> knome, I wasn't talking about it..I said my bad for it..I figured that was self evident it was my way of stopping
[17:04] <neighborlee> knome, alas..done.
[17:04] <neighborlee> literally
[17:05] <nimo> Compiz Config Settings Manager does not work in xubuntu ????
[17:05] <babarosa> Can anybody confirm that in oneiric additionally installed individual mouse pointers are not supported completely?
[17:05] <GridCube> ?
[17:06] <GridCube> babarosa, , http://alturl.com/qq8o4 question 8
[17:08] <babarosa> GridCube - I will throw a look at it. Thank you for the hint!
[17:08] <GridCube> :)
[17:12] <reon> GridCube, I checked out my grub folder earlier and there are no images in it yet it loads the debian earth one at startup?
[17:18] <nimo> i want to configure volume up and down.. bind keys... how can I do that ????????
[17:18] <knome> nimo, tip: you only need one question mark to indicate you are asking a question
[17:20] <nimo> knome,  nerd
[17:20] <knome> nimo, thank you sir
[17:22] <nimo> knome,  instead correcting people,  use your energi to help them instead
[17:23] <knome> nimo, see my blog article at http://open.knome.fi/2009/07/05/panels-disappearing-and-other-frequently-asked-questions/. the idea to add kb bindings should still be the same
[17:28] <nimo> knome, i cant bind mouse wheel up
[17:28] <nimo> in the keyboatd section
[17:28] <knome> nimo, do you mean you want to bind them when you are hovering the applet, or anywhere?
[17:29] <nimo> anywhere
[17:29] <nimo> but hovering the applet does not work either
[17:31] <knome> i'm sorry, i don't have the answer.
[17:31] <reon> nimo, http://alvonsius.wordpress.com/2007/01/08/xfce-volume-controlling-with-keyboard/
[17:34] <reon> nimo, I just tested that and it works
[17:43] <Vlyn> Is there a way to stop Mousepad freezing?
[17:43] <OMFGitsJ3> HAi
[17:43] <Vlyn> It freezes for a while when I want to close it…
[17:44] <knome> Vlyn, use leafpad?
[17:44] <TriumphOfDeath> Hi there, a little doubt: do u know if the bandwidth can be distributed or controlled by the action that u need.. I mean navigate and download at sametime.. not only navigate or not only download by default
[17:44] <TheSheep> Vlyn: that's strange, can you run it from terminal with strace and see what it is doing then?
[17:44] <Vlyn> Uh, let me try that
[17:45] <TheSheep> Vlyn: 'strace -f mousepad' would be the command
[17:45] <reon> Vlyn, what issue did you have yesterday this time? I found a solution I think but can't remember what the problem was
[17:45] <Vlyn> reon: Lol…
[17:46] <Vlyn> reon: Finding out the name of an app?
[17:46] <reon> Vlyn, it's sad when your mind works like that
[17:46] <Vlyn> TheSheep: Strace shows me millions of lines
[17:46] <Vlyn> And sometimes mousepad closes normal
[17:46] <reon> Vlyn, yes!
[17:46] <TheSheep> Vlyn: sure, it shows all the operations it does
[17:47] <TheSheep> Vlyn: I was hoping it stops at some particular operation for longer
[17:47] <Vlyn> let me try again
[17:47] <TheSheep> Vlyn: then you could tell that this is what freezes it
[17:47] <Vlyn> TheSheep: Damn… now it closes instantly -.-
[17:48] <TheSheep> may be some race condition
[17:49] <Vlyn> Okay, it’s not that important. And strace looks cool :-)
[17:49] <TheSheep> it's very good for debugging some kinds of problems
[17:50] <ElderDryas> TheSheep: I noticed the same freeze in Mousepad (back when it was the default).  IIRC, it was the <first> use of Mousepad, sort of a Thunar-Slow-Opening in reverse.
[17:50] <Vlyn> When I try it with strace it never freezes -.-
[17:51] <TheSheep> Vlyn: solution! ;)
[17:51] <Vlyn> And I don’t know why it did that in the first place. My PC isn’t slow or something
[17:52] <xubuntu373> hi
[17:52] <xubuntu373> :)
[17:52] <Vlyn> Btw. what is a good editor for html/php/css in Linux? :-)
[17:52] <Vlyn> For Win i used notepad++
[17:55] <Unit193> Vlyn: It's all in what you like best, scite is almost close to N++ :/
[17:57] <Vlyn> Unit193: Just looking at Geany, but it’s missing colors xD
[17:58] <TheSheep> vim :)
[17:58] <Vlyn> Heard of that… too… complicated for me
[17:58] <Vlyn> And I’m using a new keyboard layout ;-)
[17:58] <TheSheep> there is also cream, which is supposed to be simpler
[17:58] <Olbi> Geany, Gedit with plugins
[17:59] <Olbi> krita
[17:59] <TheSheep> scribes is pretty sweet
[17:59] <TheSheep> very simple, some good ideas in it
[18:00] <GridCube> geany
[18:01] <reon> Is it possible to toggle sound devices with a simple alsamixer command?
[18:03] <Jack-xubuntu> Hay
[18:03] <Vlyn> Okay, I just downloaded some style files for Geany… I know the program is in /usr/bin but where is the rest of it? O.o
[18:04] <TheSheep> Vlyn: dpkg -L geany
[18:04] <ElderDryas> Vlyn: /home/WHATEVER/.config/geany
[18:04] <Vlyn> ElderDryas: That’s it, ty!
[18:05] <Vlyn> TheSheep: That’s just the files in the /usr/ directory?
[18:06] <TheSheep> Vlyn: that lists all the installed files that belong to it
[18:06] <Vlyn> But good to know :-) I should make myself a little documentation on the commands
[18:06] <Vlyn> I see :-)
[18:11] <Vlyn> Crap, only half of the new colors worked xD
[18:19] <Vlyn> Damn, why u no work?! Some stuff is confusing :-(
[18:20] <Vlyn> Oh wait, they just made some errors in the .php config x(
[18:28] <buzz_> debian -> ubuntu -> mint -> ubuntu (dev) -> xubuntu (you are here)
[18:29] <buzz_> currently enjoying the simple/functional environment xfce gives me
[18:29] <buzz_> thanks
[18:33] <matthew99> Where has the option to display technical items in the Software Center gone? Synaptic is a bit of a pain. :s
[18:43] <xubuntu084> hi!
[18:44] <jmcantrell> i'm curious what i should expect trying out xubuntu coming from ubuntu
[18:44] <jmcantrell> how's the experience different?
[18:46] <buzz_> its a more familiar desktop environment
[18:47] <buzz_> no global menu, no overlay scrollbars, close button on the right. on the launcher, left mouse launches, no need for middle button to load another copy. it has a screensaver. you can change fonts without using a "tweak" tool
[18:47] <jmcantrell> hehe
[18:47] <jmcantrell> sounds good
[18:49] <ElderDryas> jmcantrell: Plus you get to bash Unity :)
[18:49] <jmcantrell> does it use compiz?
[18:49] <buzz_> for me personally, unity and gnome3 shell neither aid me in using my computer. its slows me down. im sure there are people out there that prefer that, but not for me
[18:49] <buzz_> i bash unity on ubuntu channels too heh
[18:49] <buzz_> you can run compiz if you like i think but xfwm4 has some compositing effects itself (basic stuff i think).. i could be wrong here, im not xfce expert
[18:50] <ElderDryas> you can and it does
[18:50] <jmcantrell> i had been using gnome classic happily, but i like that xfce's focus is simplicity
[18:50] <jmcantrell> well, the only reason i ask about compiz is b/c of the grid plugin
[18:51] <jmcantrell> anything like that in xfce?
[18:51] <ElderDryas> jmcantrell: You <can> install ans use compiz, but, from what I've heard/read it's more trouble than it's worth
[18:51] <buzz_> maybe im just weird, but i prefer to look and see what tabs i have open, rather than "blips" on a unity toolbar. if i left click on terminal, it's because i want another copy, not to focus the existing copy
[18:52] <jmcantrell> is there a way to arrange windows on the screen in a grid?
[18:53] <buzz_> one thing i really dont understand, is how they think fragmenting the gnome3 experience with two incompatible desktops (indicators vs whatever gnome3 has), is going to help anything. any gnome dev is going to pull their hair out to support two different systems
[18:57] <jmcantrell> does anyone know?
[19:00] <jmcantrell> has anyone used PyWO? it looks like what i want
[19:08] <jmcantrell> where is configuration information for xfce stored?
[19:08] <jmcantrell> like the current wallpaper
[19:12] <Queops> Hello Xubuntuers! How do you guys do to use Dropbox?
[19:12] <GridCube> install it
[19:12] <Queops> But doesn't it need nautilus?
[19:18] <GridCube> nope
[19:26] <Queops> Thanks ;)
[19:31] <kamilnadeem> Hi
[19:32] <kamilnadeem> how does one enable auto login in xubuntu 11.10
[19:32] <kamilnadeem> ?
[19:33] <kamilnadeem> any one here?
[19:33] <TheSheep> you edit /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
[19:34] <kamilnadeem> ok trying
[19:34] <TheSheep> and add "autologin-user=yourusername"
[19:36] <kamilnadeem> when I am saving it says cannot open file to write?
[19:37] <kamilnadeem> TheSheep
[19:39] <TheSheep> kamilnadeem: you need to do it as root
[19:39] <TheSheep> kamilnadeem: with sudo
[19:39] <TheSheep> !sudo
[19:39] <TheSheep> !autologin
[19:42] <kamilnadeem> did it via sudo thunar(I did know it but couldn't recall) Thanks
[19:42] <kamilnadeem> Bye
[19:57] <xubuntu674> Hello
[19:57] <sandra_> Hello my fellow Xubuntu inmates :-)
[19:58] <sandra_> I hope your all doing well today.
[19:58] <xubuntu674> Does any1 got xubuntu 11.10 ?
[19:59] <sandra_> I have a question about the Xfce desktop interface  the icons on my desktop the name is highlighted and I want to get rid of that highlight around desktop icon name can someone please tell me how ?
[20:00] <TheSheep> sandra_: sure
[20:00] <sandra_> xubuntu674, Yes I'm currently using 11.10
[20:00] <sandra_> TheSheep, Thanks :-)
[20:00] <TheSheep> sandra_: create in your home directory a file called .gtkrc-2.0
[20:01] <sandra_> TheSheep, listening intently
[20:01] <TheSheep> sandra_: then put this text in it and save: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/493524/
[20:02] <TheSheep> seemawn: then open settings->appearance and change your theme to something and back
[20:02] <TheSheep> seemawn: sorry
[20:02] <TheSheep> sandra_: ^
[20:02] <xubuntu674> If I try to mount an audio-cd, I always get an error like: Audio-CD couldnt be mounted, Place could not be mounted somthing like that. I also cant open the cd directory
[20:02] <TheSheep> xubuntu674: audio cds don't have a filesystem on them, you can't mount them
[20:03] <TheSheep> xubuntu674: just open them in an audio player
[20:03] <xubuntu674> on ubuntu  10.10 I can mount it and show the audiotracks
[20:03] <xubuntu674> plus I can mount and unmount the cd
[20:04] <TheSheep> xubuntu674: it doesn't really mount it, it's just nautilus acting as an audio player and displaying the tracs, but they are not real files
[20:04] <TheSheep> tracks
[20:04] <TheSheep> thunar doesn't do that
[20:05] <xubuntu674> okay thank you
[20:06] <sandra_> xubuntu674, I can show you a way to mount iso files from cd if you like
[20:06] <Shirakawasuna> hmm
[20:06] <Shirakawasuna> I thought I saw thunar doing that in 11.04
[20:06] <xubuntu674> i would use furious iso mount
[20:06] <xubuntu674> @ sandra
[20:06] <xubuntu674> :-)
[20:07] <Shirakawasuna> xubuntu674: works for me here
[20:07] <Shirakawasuna> I just put in a cd, open thunar, and click on 'audio cd'
[20:07] <sandra_> xubuntu674, Please open your Thunar file manager and let me know once it's open please.
[20:07] <xubuntu674> doesnt works for me
[20:07] <Shirakawasuna> it shows tracks labeled 'Track 1.wav' etc
[20:08] <xubuntu674> one moment please, I am installing it atm, because the notebook I installed it today is not here
[20:08] <sandra_> xubuntu674, you can't open your file manager at all ?
[20:08] <xubuntu674> no I can open thunar but i canot show the directory of an audio cd
[20:08] <Shirakawasuna> are you sure the CD is any good, xubuntu674?
[20:09] <xubuntu674> yes, because I used asunder to rip mp3s from it
[20:09] <sandra_> xubuntu674, please open thunar and tell me once you have opened it please
[20:09] <xubuntu674> Okay I will tell you once it is open
[20:10] <sandra_> xubuntu674, okay
[20:10] <xubuntu674> but for the time beeing, is there any posibility to config the touchpad aside from using synaptics ?
[20:11] <Shirakawasuna> xubuntu674: well, you need to have synaptics installed, but to configure it I use gpointingdevice-settings and synclient
[20:11] <Shirakawasuna> synclient is cli
[20:11] <sandra_> xubuntu674, Can we please stay on task and then move on to your touchpad issue ?
[20:11] <xubuntu674> *g* okay
[20:11] <Shirakawasuna> gpointingdevice-settings is ... a little broken for me
[20:11] <sandra_> xubuntu674, is thunar open ?
[20:13] <egsome> Anybody got problems upgrading to XUbuntu 11.10 ?
[20:13] <jmcantrell> any way to get dropbox integration in thunar?
[20:13] <sandra_> xubuntu674, Do you have Thunar open yet ?
[20:14] <egsome> jmcantrell: Yeah, Check: http://softwarebakery.com/maato/thunar-dropbox.html
[20:15] <sandking> hi
[20:15] <sandking> which would be faster on a netbook - xubuntu or lubuntu?
[20:16] <sandra_> xubuntu674, Once you have thunar open click on "Edit" then click on "Configure custom actions" at that point please click on "add"
[20:16] <sandra_> lol
[20:16] <egsome> sandra_: Which netbook ?, Specify more ..
[20:16] <egsome> sandking: Which netbook ?, Specify more ..
[20:16] <sandking> egsome, asus eee 1001px
[20:17] <sandra_> egsome, I think you have the wrong sandra lol
[20:17] <egsome> sandra_: Yeah :), Sorry for that
[20:17] <egsome> sandking: HD ? Ram ?
[20:17] <sandking> and if i already have ubuntu installed is there any difference between installing xde over it or installing xubuntu?
[20:18] <sandking> 1 gb ram, 160 gb
[20:18] <sandking> i installed 11.10 and i really need to make it faster :/
[20:18] <egsome> sandking: I think even Gnome would work good on that, but I prefer XFCE
[20:19] <sandking> egsome, i had 11.04 with gnome and it was acceptable
[20:19] <sandking> unity kills it
[20:19] <egsome> sandking: XUbuntu got XFCE not XDE
[20:19] <jmcantrell> anyone use nautilus in xfce?
[20:19] <sandking> xfce i meant, sorry
[20:19] <egsome> sandking: Unity kills everyone ..
[20:19] <egsome> sandking: Try XFCE ( XUbuntu ), It would much smoother and faster.
[20:19] <marcus_> hello I am back
[20:19] <sandking> the design idea isn't so bad, but it's slowe
[20:19] <sandking> r
[20:19] <marcus_> <-- xubuntu674
[20:20] <marcus_> Now I got Thunar open
[20:20] <sandking> egsome, but should i install fresh or is it ok to install just xfce over 11.10?
[20:20] <egsome> sandking: I really hate to have all that graphical effects in the front of my eyes while coding <- Unity
[20:20] <egsome> sandking: To get something stable and forget about unwanted bugs due to conflicts, get a fresh install.
[20:21] <sandking> egsome, i'm no coder, just casual, but i really appreciate good design (ex-mac user)
[20:22] <sandking> crunchband appeals to me in some way but i'm afraid it'd kill me in the long run
[20:23] <marcus_> Hello is there anyone who knows how to solve this audio-cd mount issue?
[20:29] <jmcantrell> does xfce use gconf for configuration or something else?
[20:30] <egsome> sandking: Yeah, Mac users most times prefer KDE as far as i know
[20:31] <sandking> egsome, KDE? man, KDE is the ugliest thing I saw :] and it reminds me so much of windows that I can't stand it
[20:32] <egsome> sandking: Sure :), I really didn't think even to give it a try.
[20:32] <egsome> sandking: Screenshots & Videos tell enough to keep away ..
[20:33] <sandking> I only used KDE back when I tried Mandrake but Gnome is my favourite now
[20:34] <sandking> but it feels like i would like to have something that looks as good in terms of design but is lighter and doesn't come with all these apps i really don't want
[20:34] <egsome> sandking: Most thing I don't like is much animation or graphic work, I like being simple.
[20:35] <sandking> egsome, I don't mind these things as far as i can turn it off
[20:39] <Shirakawasuna> I like KDE overall, but I wish the devs would concentrate on improving what is currently there rather than adding stuff that no one uses (e.g. their 'places' or whatever)
[20:40] <Shirakawasuna> I used KDE exclusively for like 5 years, through the 3 -> 4 transition. I gave up on them once I noticed how awesome XFCE 4.8 is :)
[20:47] <marcus_> can anyone help me how to use synaptics touchpad controll in xubuntu ?
[20:53] <lorin`> is it possible to remove this gtk resize grip in the corner of every window? so far the common answer on forums to edit .gtkrc-2.0 does not work
[20:53] <jmcantrell> is there a wallpaper changer for xfce?
[21:16] <seemawn> i have been highlighted. What can I do for whom?
[21:21] <jmcantrell> is there a way to drag images from chromium to the desktop?
[22:54] <TemhAAhmeT> hi
[22:55] <TemhAAhmeT> i instaled xubuntu
[22:55] <TemhAAhmeT> and when i connect via vnc
[22:55] <TemhAAhmeT> i can see only a terminal window and there isnt any taskbar or any other tools like gnome
[22:56] <TemhAAhmeT> how can i use xubuntu full
[22:56] <TemhAAhmeT> ?
[23:02] <well_laid_lawn> TemhAAhmeT: check in your home dir for a .vnc folder
[23:04] <TemhAAhmeT> i am using vps and i have ssh only and when i am setting up vnc i used command "nano .vnc/xstartup" and add "exec gnome-session"
[23:05] <TemhAAhmeT> so probably i have .vnc but probably gnome-session should be replaced with xubuntu session
[23:05] <TemhAAhmeT> but i dont know gnome-session command for xubuntu
[23:05] <well_laid_lawn> so you'll be getting twm afaik
[23:06] <well_laid_lawn> which just starts a xterm so you can start apps
[23:07] <TemhAAhmeT> twm afaik=? does gnome-session should be replaced xubuntu-session or kde-session? or similar
[23:07] <well_laid_lawn> twm is the default window manager in X and afaik = as far as I know
[23:08] <well_laid_lawn> you have to use something you have obviously so try xfce-session
[23:08] <TemhAAhmeT> i am going to try xfce-session
[23:08] <well_laid_lawn> luck
[23:13] <TemhAAhmeT> i changed gnome-session to xfce-session in .vnc/xstartup but it doesnt effect
[23:13] <TemhAAhmeT> this is my vnc screen http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/52/69895684.jpg/
[23:17] <well_laid_lawn> that looks like twm
[23:19] <well_laid_lawn> in the terminal try   ps -C twm
[23:20] <TemhAAhmeT> PID TTY          TIME CMD
[23:20] <TemhAAhmeT> it says those
[23:21] <well_laid_lawn> there's just the one line?
[23:21] <TemhAAhmeT> yep
[23:21] <well_laid_lawn> k
[23:23] <random0815> hello
[23:23] <random0815> anybody in?
[23:24] <random0815> thanks for no help :)
[23:24] <fergal32> hi
[23:24] <well_laid_lawn> TemhAAhmeT: can you paste the xstartup file?
[23:24] <random0815> hello, here is nobody talking with us
[23:24] <well_laid_lawn> !paste
[23:25] <fergal32> just installed xubuntu. everything works so far but is there no network browsing with thunar?
[23:25] <TemhAAhmeT> #!/bin/sh
[23:25] <TemhAAhmeT> # Uncomment the following two lines for normal desktop:
[23:25] <TemhAAhmeT> # unset SESSION_MANAGER
[23:25] <TemhAAhmeT> # exec /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc
[23:25] <TemhAAhmeT> [ -x /etc/vnc/xstartup ] && exec /etc/vnc/xstartup
[23:25] <TemhAAhmeT> [ -r $HOME/.Xresources ] && xrdb $HOME/.Xresources
[23:25] <TemhAAhmeT> xsetroot -solid grey
[23:25] <TemhAAhmeT> vncconfig -iconic &
[23:25] <TemhAAhmeT> x-terminal-emulator -geometry 80x24+10+10 -ls -title "$VNCDESKTOP Desktop" &
[23:25] <TemhAAhmeT> x-window-manager & exec xfce-session &
[23:25] <well_laid_lawn> !paste | TemhAAhmeT
[23:25] <random0815> there should be
[23:26] <random0815> for me there is an entry in the sidebox
[23:26] <random0815> network
[23:26] <fergal32> random0815: nope. not for me
[23:26] <well_laid_lawn> TemhAAhmeT: you know you are starting a terminal in that xstartup?
[23:27] <TemhAAhmeT> i only added exec xfce-session
[23:27] <well_laid_lawn> yep but if you don't want the terminal comment that line
[23:27] <well_laid_lawn> and the x-window-manager line
[23:28] <TemhAAhmeT> and when i using gnome it works fine
[23:28] <well_laid_lawn> and have at the end   exec startxfce4
[23:28] <TemhAAhmeT> ok i am going to try
[23:31] <TemhAAhmeT> thanks very much :D it works
[23:31] <TemhAAhmeT> startxfce4 solves everything :D
[23:31] <TemhAAhmeT> thanks for helping again
[23:32] <well_laid_lawn> np :)
[23:32] <TemhAAhmeT> :D
[23:34] <pinky__> If I use the update manager to update to 11.10, will it install ubuntu or xubuntu?
[23:36] <TemhAAhmeT> good question, also i am wondering does this 11.10 update effects xubuntu?
[23:36] <pinky__> ... also I'm using wubi, not sure if that matters
[23:37] <Guest70407> Probably I spent more than a day getting my system back after an attempted update to 11.10
[23:37] <fergal32> does anybody know why i don´t have network in thunar?
[23:37] <ball> Does Thunar usually know about networks?
[23:37] <pinky__> hmm, wonder if i should back up and install from fresh... I got a vpn and bunch of other stuff running on this puppy though
[23:38] <pinkydw> ah, that's better
[23:38] <ball> hey preecher
[23:39] <fergal32> hm, according to the xfce website there should be a network icon on the left side
[23:39] <preecher> hi ball
[23:39] <fergal32> but there isn´t. fusesmb is installed
[23:41] <pinkydw> eh, TemhAAhmeT I'll try it and report back, I'm bored anyway
[23:42] <TemhAAhmeT> haha i started 3 min ago
[23:43] <TemhAAhmeT> :D
[23:43] <pinkydw> lol good luck
[23:43] <pinkydw> If i see you get kicked I'll assume it didn't go well
[23:45] <pinkydw> btw if the guys who make this distro care to know, bought the laptop I'm using now second hand from a dude that had vista on it, ran like a pregnant cow.  Put xubuntu on it and it runs like a bat out of hell
[23:45] <TemhAAhmeT> it asked interfaces on which the DHCPv6 client send requests?
[23:46] <TemhAAhmeT> how i can learn my network interface :D?
[23:46] <pinkydw> is that IPv6?
[23:46] <pinkydw> I actually have that turned off on most of my stuff, but not sure what you're doing
[23:47] <fergal32> anybody?
[23:48] <pinkydw> ... did you map your network drive yet?
[23:49] <fergal32> pinkydw: not yet.
[23:49] <pinkydw> ... hmmm, I do see it on mine, left hand side
[23:49] <pinkydw> but I"ve already got samba set up
[23:49] <fergal32> yes, this is where is should be.
[23:50] <pinkydw> does it show up under "Go"?
[23:52] <fergal32> pinkydw: no
[23:52] <fergal32> checked that already
[23:52] <fergal32> maybe it´s caused by the installation of my realtek 8168 driver which i did manually
[23:53] <pinkydw> not sure dude, sorry
[23:53] <fergal32> hm
[23:53] <pinkydw> can you nav to the locations via ip address?
[23:53] <fergal32> pinkydw: if this is a shortcut where does it referr to?
[23:54] <pinkydw> um, not sure how to say, Windows Network shows up when I open it
[23:54] <well_laid_lawn> in thunar just start typing smb and look near the bottom right corner
[23:55] <well_laid_lawn> there's a small text input popup
[23:56] <w30> xubuntu uses xfce for a window manager?
[23:56] <well_laid_lawn> it uses xfwm4
[23:56] <well_laid_lawn> which is part of the xfce4 desktop environment
[23:56] <fergal32> well_laid_lawn: nothing happens when i type smb://example
[23:57] <well_laid_lawn> is samba setup?
[23:57] <well_laid_lawn> I know nothing about samba
[23:57] <fergal32> hm under ubuntu i don´t need samba for that if i want to access smb shares
[23:57] <pinkydw> the link is there on mine, and I've got samba set up, but can't say it was there before then or not
[23:58] <w30> well_laid_lawn, my next question is will compiz run xfwm4 then?
[23:58] <well_laid_lawn> w30: they are both window managers they can't run at the same time
[23:59] <well_laid_lawn> xfce has it's own compositor