[00:03] <bomber> this upgraded version of kubuntu is sooooooo much smoother than the previous one... firefox used to lag big time and now its nice nad smooth
[00:04] <eeefchen> i think i can get used to gnome 3
[00:16] <mase_work> eeefchen: yeh it's a bit of a change but i can see it's appeal for alot of people
[00:16] <mase_work> i think it would be good for my mum
[00:16] <mase_work> she has about 20 instances of firefox open because she doesn't look / see the task list
[00:17] <eeefchen> its not to easy for me... i thought gnome 2 was nearly perfect...
[00:17] <mase_work> I think i'd struggle to use it
[00:17] <eeefchen> but on my netbook it seems that gnome 3 has a good flow
[00:17] <mase_work> eeefchen: have you tried xfce, i think that's reasonably similar to gnome2
[00:17] <eeefchen> nope
[00:18] <mase_work> might be worth a look, lots of people like it
[00:19] <mase_work> i think i've been using KDE that long now it's pretty much burned into my brain
[00:19] <mase_work> i really struggle to use other environments
[00:20] <eeefchen> i tried kde a few days ago as alternativ
[00:20] <eeefchen> but i do not like it
[00:20] <eeefchen> overloaded and not really stabel and i dont like the look
[00:20] <mase_work> each to their own, it's the beauty of choice
[00:20] <mase_work> if you don't like something you can use something else
[00:20] <eeefchen> hmmm yes
[00:21] <eeefchen> but what i want to use is not supported anymore :( ^^
[00:22] <mase_work> well that doesn't stop you from using it
[00:22] <mase_work> it just means that there is not any active development on it
[00:22] <mase_work> and if it was almost perfect for you then by the sounds of it
[00:22] <mase_work> it doesn't need any more development from your perspective
[00:25] <mase_work> eeefchen: also lucid still ships with gnome 2 and is supported for some time yet
[00:25] <eeefchen> but there is alway a buuto: upgrade to new distro
[00:25] <eeefchen> i cant stand that^
[00:26] <eeefchen> buton
[00:26] <mase_work> you can remove the button
[00:26] <eeefchen> but i know it is there
[00:28] <Guest50448> Sup folks, need some help. So after an upgrade to 11.10, I messed around with some packages. I was trying to get the wireless working, but ended up losing the ethernet device as well. Now I can kinda undo this by opning the grub menu and booting from a previous build. How can I set that as the default build???
[00:29] <i1920x1080> whats going on with the kmail2 icon in the system tray? it looks butt ugly and no longer shows my unread mail count :/
[00:29] <Daskreech> !grub2 > Guest50448
[00:29] <Daskreech> I think >_>
[00:29] <Daskreech>  I forget what's in that factoid
[00:32] <mase_work> i1920x1080: doesn't it looks exactly the same as the old icon ?
[00:33] <i1920x1080> mase_work: no. the older icon looked better and had an unread count. this one looks stretched and never shows my unread mail. it's just stretched :/
[00:34] <mase_work> Can you put up a screen shot ?  mine looks ok from what i can see and i don't have the unread issue that you speak of.
[00:35] <mase_work> are you using the regular oxygen icon set ?
[00:35] <i1920x1080> yeah
[00:35] <i1920x1080> I took a screenshot
[00:35] <i1920x1080> what's the simplest place to upload it, imgur?
[00:36] <mase_work> not really sure. anywhere you can find is fine
[00:37] <i1920x1080> http://i.imgur.com/KKMHA.png
[00:37] <mase_work> your icons look heaps different to mine
[00:37] <i1920x1080> im on 11.10
[00:37] <mase_work> well most of them
[00:37] <mase_work> same here
[00:37] <i1920x1080> upgraded from 11.04
[00:38] <mase_work> yeh i did also
[00:38] <mase_work> were you using a different icon set in 11.04 ?
[00:39] <i1920x1080> no, default oxygen icon set
[00:39] <mase_work> erm ok well i'm about to install a 11.10 virtual machine so gimme a few mins and i will see what the icons look like for that
[00:42] <mase_work> b/c even my amarok / konversation icons look different
[00:42] <i1920x1080> hey mase_work, it's no real big deal, it just bothers me I don't see the count of unread mail. to be honest, I really dislike the whole monochromatic look of the system tray.
[00:43] <mase_work> yeh it would annoy me also
[00:44] <mase_work> http://imgur.com/lHXfz
[00:44] <mase_work> that's what i can
[00:44] <mase_work> have*
[00:45] <i1920x1080> mase_work: those icons are way way way better than this stupid mono look. I bet you save more time just glancing and clicking than I do by having to analyze closly what I am about to click
[00:46] <i1920x1080> did you do anything to get the color icons?
[00:46] <mase_work> no that's the thing
[00:46] <mase_work> i just did the regular dist-upgrades etc..
[00:46] <i1920x1080> well, I've pretty much had these mono icons since forever
[00:47] <mase_work> interesting.
[00:48] <mase_work> if you mv .kde .kde.bak and logout /login do you still get them?
[00:49] <i1920x1080> mase_work: I really don't want to try it but I'll instead make a new account to play with and check that out
[00:49] <prower> hello :> i'm using 11.10...how would i go about -stopping- an activity that i've started by clicking on in that tab on the top right of the screen? i tried the search and launch one but it didn't appear to do anything, now i can't seem to turn them back off
[00:49] <mase_work> ok that'll work too
[00:53] <i1920x1080> yeah, monochrome icons. all themes and icon sets leave monochrome icons in the system tray
[00:58] <westyvw> nvidia driver: should i change it to one of the post realease?
[00:58] <westyvw> confused by the options
[01:09] <szal> mornin' folks
[01:11] <szal> just finished upgrading to Oneiric (apart from the KMail part, I'll do that later ;))..  got one niggle however..  booting takes 2 minutes longer than it's supposed to, because the system is "Waiting for network configuration" and then "Waiting up to 60 seconds more for network configuration", after which it says it starts up w/ incomplete network configuration
[01:12] <szal> using ifup, btw, and can't see what's the problem
[01:13] <NJL> hey guys, I just did an update to 11.10 and I have a few issues
[01:14] <NJL> 1)  I get a black screen instead of KDM (right now I'm using xfce4 with startx), 2) networking doesn't start and 3) I get this error regularly:  Failed to open connection to "system" message bus:  Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: Connection refused
[01:16] <mase_work> NJL: try apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[01:16] <mase_work> it sounds like there are some packages missing
[01:17] <NJL> kubuntu-desktop is already the newest version.
[01:17] <szal> NJL: does kdm start and you don't see it, or does it not start?
[01:17] <mase_work> hmm
[01:18] <NJL> well, X starts, but it just goes to a black screen
[01:18] <NJL> it doesn't give me a login screen
[01:19] <szal> NJL: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old (since you're running X now) and /var/log/kdm.log for errors ("(EE)")
[01:19] <NJL> ok
[01:20] <NJL> (EE) Microsoft Internet Keyboard Pro: failed to initialize for relative axes.
[01:20] <NJL> that's the only EE I have in /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old
[01:21] <szal> don't think that relates to screen output
[01:21] <NJL> probably not
[01:21] <szal> what gfx driver?
[01:21] <NJL> nvidia
[01:22] <NJL> not the one from the package though
[01:22] <szal> version?
[01:22] <NJL> NVIDIA-Linux-x86-280.13.run
[01:23] <szal> any reason to use that instead of the pkg?
[01:24] <NJL> not really at this point
[01:24] <NJL> when I did that switch I was trying to get better performance
[01:24] <NJL> not sure it made any difference though
[01:25] <szal> if you want the latest'n'greatest in terms of nVidia, there's always the ubuntu-x-swat PPA
[01:25] <szal> current is 285, btw
[01:25] <NJL> yeah I just used the latest I already had downloaded
[01:25] <NJL> just trying to get my system usable heh
[01:28] <mase_work> NJL: yeh my nvidia performance is sucking too, stupid binary drivers
[01:28] <mase_work> unfortunately it's my work machine so i didn't get to pick the card
[01:28] <NJL> hehe
[01:28] <mase_work> my intel laptop is super smooth in comparison
[01:28] <NJL> this is my home machine and I picked the card
[01:28] <szal> no'ing wrong w/ nVidia, imho ^^
[01:29] <mase_work> nah it's not the card it's the drivers
[01:29] <mase_work> nouveau doesn't have that issue either
[01:29] <mase_work> but unfortunately my dual head isn't detected properly with nouveau
[01:30] <mase_work> getting  a new machine shortly which i did get to pick, dual head intel sandy bridge
[01:30] <mase_work> should make my life alot better
[01:30] <NJL> I fixed my dbus prob
[01:31] <NJL> I wonder if that would fix my X prob?
[01:31] <mase_work> how did you fix you dbus issue ?
[01:31] <NJL> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dbus/+bug/811441
[01:31]  * szal doubts that Intel is much better than anything else
[01:32] <NJL> "
[01:32] <NJL> After I remove this and reboot the pc then it works.
[01:32] <NJL> Also the Xorg is starting normally
[01:32] <NJL> "
[01:32] <FloodBotK2> NJL: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[01:32] <FloodBotK1> NJL: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[01:32] <mase_work> szal: well it definately is on my laptop
[01:32] <NJL> doh
[01:32] <mase_work> szal: it's like night and day with all the desktop effects enabled
[01:32] <mase_work> camt'
[01:32] <mase_work>  cam'
[01:32] <mase_work> can't play games with itvery well
[01:33] <mase_work> but kwin works wonderfully
[01:33] <NJL> so if dbus starts working correctly, think that'll fix kdm?
[01:33] <mase_work> maybe , tias
[01:33] <NJL> alrighty
[01:33] <NJL> brb gonna reboot
[01:33] <szal> NJL: try it & complain afterwards if it doesn't ;)
[01:33] <NJL> heh ok
[01:34]  * szal had non-working desktop effects right after upgrading to Oneiric, but that issue fixed itself after upgrading KDE to 4.7.2
[01:36] <mase_work> i have the desktop effects working
[01:36] <mase_work> they are just slower / less responsive
[01:37] <mase_work> 4.7.2 did help
[01:37] <Snowhog> mase_work: Turn off the Blur effect and see if it improves.
[01:37] <mase_work> already off ;)
[01:37] <mase_work> i don't have any effects enabled now
[01:37] <mase_work> except for resize
[01:42] <NJL> ok, so dbus being fixed also fixed my login
[01:42] <NJL> but it's giving me a gdm login, I think
[01:42] <NJL> but at least it's not hanging
[01:42] <NJL> now if I can just get networking fixed
[01:42] <NJL> it does this "waiting for network configuration
[01:42] <NJL> "
[01:43] <szal> same here, no idea what gives
[01:43] <NJL> ok, well I'm not gonna reboot until that issue is resolved :P
[01:43] <NJL> heh
[01:43] <NJL> I'm back in KDE now at least
[01:59] <szal> NJL: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?s=2b445e05e5b36adf60e0639f1cea6b82&t=1844819 <- perhaps some input
[02:02] <szal> NJL: http://uksysadmin.wordpress.com/2011/10/14/upgrade-to-ubuntu-11-10-problem-waiting-for-network-configuration-then-black-screen-solution/ <- another thing to try
[02:15] <NJL> szal: checking
[02:20] <Zer000> hi all, i'm looking to get help - i'm trying to play video but the colors are off. It looks like the colors are inverted. I tried playing different files (that worked fine just 10 mins ago) in mplayer, vlc and dragon player. same issue. Youtube works fine.
[02:21] <phiscibe> what video card?  it worked earlier and now it doest?  what doesnt work now, dvd youtube ?
[02:22] <Zer000> phiscibe: its an nvidia 8400 it worked literally 10 minutes ago
[02:22] <Zer000> its any video file i have saved, not from disk
[02:23] <phiscibe> what about youtube or in your browser is it invetted
[02:23] <Zer000> no that's fine
[02:23] <lee_> I Have an acer aspire 5733z...works fine....My dell How ever is a different story...But I do have one question though....What is UMI interface? Or WMI Interface?
[02:24] <phiscibe> so just playihng a file, all formats?  what player
[02:26] <Zer000> phiscibe: i only have mkv's any player: mplayer, dragon and vlc
[02:26] <Zer000> I took a screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/PaNMS.jpg
[02:28] <phiscibe> i know what the problem has been that is ive seen in older versions, but not sure in the new ubuntu and kubunt if it is the same
[02:28] <Zer000> phiscibe: i'm running 11.10 if you were addressing me..
[02:28] <phiscibe> all those dragon, mplayer vls i thnk go thru gstreamer and or video for linux s
[02:29] <lee_> Ha aby one else noticed that to get the full soft ware selctions you have to download "ubuntu software center...just to get files for KDE aswell?
[02:29] <Zer000> so should i reinstall it?
[02:29] <phiscibe> somepace i cant remeber where is a ssetting to set videobalance hue  and  autovideosink
[02:30] <Zer000> btw in dragon you can adjust the hue, i put the slider all the way to one side and the colors are normal. so the colors are literally negative
[02:30] <Zer000> i mean inverted  like on a negative**
[02:30] <phiscibe>  wont matter,
[02:30] <phiscibe> kubuntu or ubuntu?
[02:31] <Zer000> kubuntu
[02:31] <lee_> hmm what type of video files are tunning? MTS, Mpg?
[02:31] <Zer000> lee_: mkv
[02:31] <lee_> ah
[02:31] <Zer000> i'm going to get an avi to test...
[02:31] <phiscibe> i am still on 11.04 here but i think they both use honon
[02:31] <phiscibe> phonon
[02:32] <Zer000> phonon? whats that
[02:32] <lee_> hmm using Kubuntu, Kicked Ubuntu to the kirb
[02:32] <phiscibe> i dont know where the gstreamer options are under kde
[02:32] <lee_> eh I am stll learning this new KDE
[02:32] <Zer000> lee_: same, i'm a long time gnome user and ubuntu 11.10 didn't come with it installed. and when i did install it it was gnome 3 which is the same as unity basically. I hated it so went to kde !
[02:33] <Zer000> phiscibe: ok thanks man, but will reinstalling gstreamer help?
[02:33] <phiscibe> someplade you have to add  ---     videobalance hue=-1 ! autovideosink   ---- to teh vedor options
[02:33] <phiscibe> video not vendor
[02:33] <phiscibe> probaly not
[02:34] <Zer000> ok ill try to finnd it
[02:36] <lee_> that is odd there is a site wthat was having MAc withthe exact same issue
[02:36] <woodzy> help! i've lost my sound card, at least in KDE for when I run the command - lspci -v | grep -A7 -i "audio" - it does show that there is a sound card but when i right click on the volume manager in the systray it shows the device as "dummy device" and phonon has the actual hardware device greyed out. how can i get kubuntu (11.10) to re-recognize my soundcard?
[02:38] <phiscibe> deleting the pulseaudo configuration file and rebooting might fix it, if you upgraded
[02:38] <phiscibe> it is hidden in home .pulse
[02:39] <woodzy> i'll try that and get back, thanks, phiscibe
[02:41] <lee_> Hmm Phiscibe, I do have a question
[02:42] <lee_> How, do I get a graphical inter face  instead f this dorky card looking thing with the sound files...and why on earth did they go to that scheme?
[02:43] <lee_> its under auidio set up
[02:44] <phiscibe> buddy i dont know why , phonon pulseaudio and gstreamer are all mixed up
[02:45] <lee_> No problem.
[02:45] <lee_> hmm intersting play on words, the mixers are all mixed up
[02:46] <lee_> One cool thing though I have noticed and I really am thankfull for..they added drvers for the Kodak printers
[02:46] <phiscibe> there is a utility Zer000 that conf configure gstreamer but is for gnome,
[02:47] <phiscibe> gstreamer-properties there u could set those vaules but io dont know where in the heck it is in kde
[02:47] <phiscibe> also some people switch the backed froem gstreamer to xine, not sure if htat would hlpe
[02:48] <Zer000> phiscibe: switching the backend seems complicated...
[02:48] <Zer000> phiscibe: oh you mean its not a tool i can just download, its part of gnome?
[02:48] <Zer000> dang...
[02:48] <phiscibe> you can get it, havs dependencies, but i dunno if it will do the gjob
 I had to down load ubuntu software just to get my thumbnail viewers for MPG and Photos
[02:49] <phiscibe> somehow phonon should handle this i just dont grok it
[02:50] <Zer000> phiscibe: ok well i looked through all the settings. Also i can now confirm its not just mkv's its also avi's so its safe to say all video...
[02:50] <Zer000> i really don't want to have to switch the backend. gstreamer has been working good before...
[02:51] <phiscibe> zero here is how one site does it under ubuntu, maybe its a clue for you
[02:51] <phiscibe> http://www.wiredrevolution.com/ubuntu/fix-blue-tinted-video-in-ubuntu
[02:52] <Zer000> thanks a lot
[02:53] <phiscibe> are you using the drivers from nvidia or the free ones,?  the if not nvidia might help add the restried packages
[02:53] <Zer000> >The common theme with this bug seems to be the use of the Nvidia closed source drivers. sonofabitch
 I had to down load ubuntu center jsut to get  "myplayer thumbs" and "ffmpegthumbs"
[02:53] <Zer000> ya im using the closed source ones. i mean i have 3d acceleration
[02:53] <lee_> Nvidia..still giving us issues?
[02:55] <Zer000> oh i just went into the additional drivers dialogue, there are like 4 different ones i can get...
[02:55] <Zer000> for my video card that is..
[02:55] <lee_> Is there one that says recomended?
[02:55] <phiscibe> maybe add some video codes and the gstreamer ugly
[02:56] <Zer000> lee_: ya i'm getting the recomended one now. I hope that solves it
[02:56] <lee_> I hope so to
[02:56] <lee_> I have an older Ati..and well ..Nothing works with it..even wndows has issues with it
[02:57] <lee_> so I rpped it out of the dell and well I won't say what my dell is running now lol
[02:57] <lee_> not sure what card this new lap top is running
[02:57] <phiscibe> kde is so nice and purty, i wish it was as good in bed as it looks
[02:58] <lee_> LOL..hmm My finace is prettier then KDE
[02:58] <lee_> and that is all I will say lol
[02:58] <phiscibe> ok i wont ask hehe
[02:58] <lee_> KDE seems to function really well to
[02:58] <phiscibe> well
[02:59] <phiscibe> i mean i got a sytem and im using to type this
[02:59] <lee_> I like the new callandar
[02:59] <phiscibe> but there is always a bug that needs attentiong, like my idle cpu usage going to 80%
[02:59] <phiscibe> because of a flacky pollling of usb and cd devices
[03:00] <phiscibe> i can stopo it buy putting in a cd
[03:00] <phiscibe> or taking it out
[03:00] <phiscibe> flash will eat 5 GB of ran if i let it play hula or you tube along time
[03:00] <lee_> hmm
[03:01] <lee_> it appears that my machine has a built  in 128 megs on the video end and 4 gigs in the ram
[03:01] <phiscibe> it looks good its exciting, so much potential, but sometimes i need old relaiable...grandma instead of colleage party girl
[03:01] <lee_> total free memory is 77 percent
[03:02] <lee_> nd currently it is saying 0 shared memory
[03:02] <lee_> eh what ever that means
[03:03] <phiscibe> right now my system is ok, not idling high , memory ok, but i never know hats gonna give it a fit
[03:03] <phiscibe> ive spent two hours figuring out, stoping the work i was trying to do in inkscape
[03:04] <lee_> I have some wierd graphics card I neverheard of..Tungsten?
[03:04] <lee_> ouch, is it a newer or older unit
[03:04] <lee_> you are running
[03:04] <phiscibe> some age but not ancient
[03:04] <lee_> hmm
[03:04] <phiscibe> 5 gb ram
[03:05] <phiscibe> it not the pc, its always, the software, bug reports for every issue
[03:05] <bbeck> Does anyone know of a plasmoid that will allow me to show the cover art of the track I am listening to in Amarok?  All the ones I've tried so far seem broken.  (They show the cover of the album I begin with, but the cover never changes as the track changes.)
[03:05] <lee_> hmm 128 meg on video, and 4 megs on memory it s an Acer aspire 5733z
[03:06] <bbeck> I've tried "Now Playing" and "Now
[03:06] <bbeck> Rocking"
[03:06] <lee_> I havn't treid Amorok yet
[03:06] <phiscibe> but part of me likes digging threw all the techno babble....my pc's bot a bug and im on the hunt...somebody stop me please
[03:07] <lee_> lol
[03:07] <lee_> squash that bug lol
[03:07] <lee_> I know in the beta unit, my CPU would jump to 88 percent then both cpus were at 99 percnt
[03:08] <lee_> but then I was rendering video as well
[03:08] <phiscibe> but i do have som eancient machines and one dinosour
[03:08] <lee_> the only dino I could think of is a 386
[03:08] <lee_> um...commodor..oh there back in business
[03:09] <phiscibe> two of the ancients are p4's  sadly i dont think im gonna be able to leave kubuntu on them, thinking something with lxde
[03:09] <lee_> comodor is back in business and building great machines
[03:09] <lee_> ahh
[03:09] <lee_> That is if one can afford them things
[03:09] <phiscibe> and one PIIII, running antix at the moment, im hoping it will have enough juic in server mode to run asterick
[03:10] <phiscibe> pii that is
[03:10] <lee_> ahh
[03:11] <lee_> hmm I am going to kik my grpahics in to high and see waht everything does in the monitor
[03:12] <Zer000> brb, rebooting with new drivers.
[03:12] <phiscibe> yeah haa
[03:12] <lee_> didn't even phase it
[03:13] <lee_> cpu spike to 40 then went back
[03:13] <lee_> to 20
[03:13] <phiscibe> hit ctrl + esc
[03:13] <phiscibe> oh what u are looking at it probably lol
[03:13] <phiscibe> i use toop alo0t
[03:13] <phiscibe> top
[03:14] <lee_> I know waht it is..k so what is it you want me to read
[03:14] <phiscibe> that is if you are using the widget to show cpu usage its buggy, doesnt report right
[03:14] <lee_> CPU 4 ercentkwin 2 percent
[03:14] <lee_> oh sys monitor is 4 percent
[03:15] <lee_> yeah I see
[03:15] <lee_> WB zero
[03:15] <Zer000> SWEET! i got new video drivers and my issue is gone!
[03:15] <lee_> :)
[03:16] <Zer000> Screw nvidia, but the alternatives (ati) aren't pretty either driver wise
[03:16] <phiscibe> and online took 30 minute, your a winner, next gu
[03:16] <lee_> Lets hope it stays fixed
[03:16] <Zer000> gu? what is that slang for?
[03:16] <phiscibe> its a type for BUG
[03:17] <lee_> the really odd thing aobut this whole ubuntu kbuntu thing is how one has to down load Ubuntu software center jsut to get all the apps one needs
[03:17] <lee_> MU has issues ><
[03:17] <phiscibe> im still on 11.04 havent looked aat muon, but i just apt
[03:18] <phiscibe> teh upgrade wont start on this machine
[03:18] <lee_> LOL yeah that works to
[03:18] <lee_> eh
[03:18] <lee_> I tried the upgrade
[03:18] <Zer000> i'm using muon, haven't found issues with it yet...
[03:18] <phiscibe> probably cuase i have some PPA sources and installs i need to roll bake
[03:18] <phiscibe> back
[03:18] <lee_> I down loaded and saved to a flash drive
[03:19] <phiscibe> and i hate this freaking keybaord, need my old one, its like hmmering nailes
[03:19] <lee_> ouch
[03:19] <lee_> yeah, Mu had an issue where I was tryng to find FFMpeg nails so I can view my video previews
[03:20] <lee_> Mu sisn't have a clue
[03:20] <lee_> so I down loaded Ubuntu software center...found it
[03:21] <lee_> I am wondering if Ubuntu is attempting to seperate there items
[03:21] <lee_> if so, they have a great deal of work
[03:21] <lee_> Ubuntu Software center has everything for KDE
[03:21] <e8hffff> Expert Question: Is there a way to set KIO_FILE to a lower IO priority permanently?
[03:22] <lee_> Mu is nothing but a headache
[03:22] <e8hffff> When moving files I don't want the bus flooded.
[03:23] <phiscibe> e8hffff: nice?
[03:23] <lee_> hmm
[03:23] <lee_> eh havn't noticed flooding like that eh..how would I check to see if the same thing is happening to me?
[03:23] <phiscibe> man nice
[03:24] <e8hffff> phiscibe: does that make it permanetly or jsut the running process.  I'm no elite on bash/cli
[03:25] <phiscibe> e8hffff: if you just want to temporarily lower the priority hit ctrl _ esc to ge t the activity monitor and context menu can set the proority
[03:25] <e8hffff> phiscibe: I'll read the man on it
[03:25] <phiscibe> but if you want it perm you will have to set it in your start up someplace
[03:26] <e8hffff> phiscibe: the problem with that is each file starts a new kio_file process making the pirorioty lose it's user set
[03:26] <e8hffff> brb
[03:26] <phiscibe>  thats not a cpu utilization problem
[03:27] <phiscibe> are you using encryption e8hffff?
[03:28] <e8hffff> phiscibe: back. some times as I have a HD using truecrypt so there is cpu involved at times and other not.
[03:29] <phiscibe> its a bug that s been around for a bit  with disk IO on a crypted mount
[03:29] <lee_> Oh my ouch I use 100 percent of Both CPUS when rendering
[03:29] <lee_> a video
[03:30] <phiscibe> what player
[03:30] <e8hffff> phiscibe: arr ok. as it's a killer of your desktop environment. you ahve to wait for the job to finish before any work
[03:30] <e8hffff> phiscibe: also kills any DVB capturing
[03:30] <phiscibe> have you got lots of ram?
[03:30] <e8hffff> phiscibe:  4gb
[03:30] <phiscibe> maybe lower the swapiness
[03:31] <e8hffff> phiscibe: you'd think there would be some typer of throttles system in KDE that detected user activity and reduce IO accordingly.
[03:31] <phiscibe> are you using a raid e8hffff
[03:31] <e8hffff> xcuse the typos
[03:31] <e8hffff> no raid
[03:32] <phiscibe> the problem is that most encrption programs arent multithreaded well, so they are hit with all the IO requests
[03:33] <e8hffff> phiscibe: The only strange setup is my truecrypt formated drive which I drop all torrents onto.
[03:33] <e8hffff> phiscibe: ok
[03:33] <phiscibe> maybe swithching encryption engines would help
[03:35] <e8hffff> phiscibe: I thought if I could reduce the kio_file process to a lower priority permanently then that would solve the problem.  I'm not that concerned if I have to wait longer for transfers, if say I reduce the cap to 80% of the bus, etc.
[03:35] <phiscibe> itmight make the bottle neck worse
[03:36] <e8hffff> phiscibe: I search /etc and my home directory for fiels with 'kio_file' but couldn't find any to set settings.  Must be a internal setting of KDE.
[03:37] <c_> ?
[03:41] <phiscibe> what is kio_file opening and closing ?  which mnount
[03:41] <e8hffff> Another question. My transition from Maverick to Oneiric from Aplha to Beta and now release is here.  Has any of the repositories change now release is here as there's been no patched lately.
[03:42] <phiscibe> i dontknow abou that at all, sorry
[03:43] <e8hffff> phiscibe: I'm desperate for new... lol.  I can't get enoguh of KDE and linux.
[03:46] <phiscibe> go unstable
[03:46] <dro> i have a problem with the wireless on the latest version of kubuntu
[03:46] <dro> it used to work just fine, but now when i try to connect it just says "setting network address" and then it fails and nothing happens
[03:47] <dro> can any1 help?
[03:47] <e8hffff> phiscibe: Yeah that's why I was on Alpha Oneiric.  I did the same with Maverick which was smooth sailing, but this time around with Oneiric I was getting borken systems alot. It wasn't too pleasing.
[03:48] <phiscibe> if you use PPA's they wreck havic with apt
[03:48] <semitones> is amarok a good choice for a computer with mediocre ram and cpu
[03:48] <semitones> or is it pretty good
[03:49] <e8hffff> phiscibe: usually the linux kernel is pretty stable, and KDE is usually solid as a separate project so both meld goos, but not on the lat experience
[03:49] <semitones> I was having trouble with juk's search
[03:50] <e8hffff> Ubunut cutting edge has been pretty broken over hte eyars, but not so much kde and debian mix.
[03:50] <e8hffff> been alot of gfx changes.
[03:55] <dro> no1 can help me?
[03:56] <phiscibe> dro we can tru
[03:56] <phiscibe> try
[03:57] <phiscibe> can you type iwconfig in a terminal and tell what is givs
[03:58] <dro> phiscibe: wlan0: IEEE 802.11bgn ESSID: off/any mode:managed Freq. 2.452Ghz access point: not-associated
[03:59] <dro> phiscibe: that all you need?
[03:59] <phiscibe> ok will network manger start?
[04:00] <phiscibe> or what ever its called nowdays
[04:01] <dro> how do i start it? idk if it's even installed
[04:02] <phiscibe> kubuntu correct?  there should be an icon the system tray
[04:02] <phiscibe> called network managment
[04:02] <phiscibe> if not the go the the K menu and pick sysetem settings and thene network
[04:02] <dro> ya its there
[04:04] <phiscibe> it should have a wireless tab, does it list a wirless profile
[04:04] <phiscibe> if not try the add buttong
[04:04] <dro> yes
[04:05] <dro> it does
[04:05] <dro> and it has all the correct info
[04:06] <phiscibe> ok try this command
[04:06] <phiscibe> iwlist scanning, it might give alot so maybe pastebin
[04:07] <phiscibe> is it usb wifi or built in
[04:07] <dro> cant pastebin bc i have no internet on the lappy :(
[04:07] <phiscibe> private messaage me then if it is lot of out put
[04:08] <dro> i cant, i'm on my dads laptop so i cant copy/paste it
[04:08] <dro> i'd have to type it all out
[04:08] <dro> and like you said, there's a lot of output
[04:08] <phiscibe> oh
[04:09] <phiscibe> its the wlan im kooking for did it find any wireless points, it will say scan complted channel one frequency ect with an ESSID name if it found something
[04:09] <phiscibe> or maybe it didnt find anything
[04:10] <dro> yes it found the network i'm looking to join
[04:10] <phiscibe> well
[04:11] <phiscibe> it all looks like its there
[04:11] <dro> ya i know :S it just wont set an address it seems
[04:11] <phiscibe> lspci | grep -i wireless
[04:11] <phiscibe> try that
[04:11] <dro> Inter corp. centrino wireless-N 1000
[04:12] <phiscibe> tell me about your network, your laptop is wirless, and you are on what now chatting? a desktop? is it wirless?
[04:12] <phiscibe> or wired
[04:12] <dro> wireless
[04:13] <dro> wireless works on win7 just not kubuntu
[04:14] <phiscibe> type cat /etc/resolv.conf on the dead machine and the working mahcine to compare
[04:14] <dro> phiscibe: my dad is trippin balls. will you be in here 2mrw?
[04:14] <phiscibe> maybe
[04:14] <dro> well i sure hope you are lol
[04:15] <dro> thanks btw
[04:15] <Shaan7> dro: also try posting in the forums once, cant be sure of IRC ;)
[04:15] <phiscibe> i think something in your dns is dead, search google for dns nameserver wifi kubunt ull find it
[04:15] <dro> Shaan7: i might have to
[04:16] <phiscibe> make the file /etc/resolv.conf the some on the working system as the dead one, open with any text editor like kate
[04:16] <phiscibe> inside it will say
[04:16] <phiscibe> nameserver 8.8.8.8
[04:16] <phiscibe>  or something like that
[04:17] <dro> okay
[04:17] <phiscibe> so are you leaving now?
[04:17] <dro> ya i got to :(
[04:17] <dro> thanks again
[04:18] <dro> peace
[04:26] <ajaydarez> hi guys.. i am trying to install ubuntu in my Acer Aspire netbook.  I made a startup usb with the tool "Startup Creater" on my ubuntu in another laptop.  But when i boot in using this, I get the error "No default or UI configuration directive found" in my acer
[04:26] <ajaydarez> does anyone knwo how to solbe this?
[04:56] <avihay> I've installed kubuntu alternate cd to a disk on key, and I can't change the permissions on cdromupgrade to +x. can anyone enlighten me as to why?
[05:01] <phiscibe> af
[05:03] <phiscibe> i got that too once, are you trying to use an optical drive from a live cd?
[05:03] <phiscibe> and get permissoin problems
[05:05] <avihay> yes, it's the kubuntu alt cd
[05:06] <avihay> installed on a (small) USB storage device
[05:06] <avihay> I can mount the original ISO or force the file to be interpreted somehow
[05:08] <phiscibe> which program give the permisson error
[05:54] <yoga> tet
[05:56] <Slashme> if you wanted to write "test", i would say it was succesfully
[05:59] <susundberg> it just depends what you define as succesfull -- he had 3/4 letters properly, and 100% proper order!
[06:15] <techcafe> hey all...
[06:33] <Cammy> What's with the task bar tabs randomly highlighting themselves when they're not active and don't have the cursor hovering over them?
[06:34] <Cammy> Does it represent something or is it a bug?
[06:34] <Cammy> In 11.10
[06:35] <Slashme> maybe something is refreshing them? my firefox does this sometimes.
[06:41] <evanvarvell> ..
[06:51] <larsivi> I have some additional kmail migration issues it seems; kmail says it isn't able to modify my folders - did anyone see that?
[07:03] <bigorenski> some brazilian here?
[07:04] <phiscibe> kmail is know isue, have to prepare b efore install for mighration
[07:05] <phiscibe> but if u ugraded anyway you have to receover from failed mighration
[07:05] <well_laid_lawn> !br
[07:05] <jo_>  /msg NickServ identify haubitze
[07:05] <phiscibe> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/OneiricOcelot/Final/Kubuntu/Kmail2
[07:07] <phiscibe> uh jo you just printed you nik password in the channel, time to change mayhbe
[07:07] <phiscibe> jo_ even
[07:32] <kevin_> How to connect kubuntu desktop and laptop installled with windows 7 home using a router ?
[07:34] <phoenix_firebrd> kevin_: Use samba
[07:34] <well_laid_lawn> !samba
[07:34] <kevin_> installed samaba but no gui
[07:35] <phoenix_firebrd> kevin_: read the articles above
[07:35] <kevin_> ok thank you
[07:35] <phoenix_firebrd> kevin_: yw
[07:35] <kevin_> one more question
[07:35] <phoenix_firebrd> Any kde developers here?
[07:36] <kevin_> is samba console based ?
[07:36] <kevin_> is GUI for samba available?
[07:37] <phoenix_firebrd> kevin_: i dont know if it based on console , but it does support GUI
[07:37] <kevin_> ok
[07:37] <kevin_> i did install samba yesterday
[07:38] <kevin_> but no GUI
[07:38] <kevin_> in the KMENU
[07:38] <kevin_> shorcut of samba
[07:38] <well_laid_lawn> !samba | kevin_
[07:39] <phoenix_firebrd> kevin_: did you check the network folder in dolphin
[07:39] <kevin_> yeah i did
[07:39] <phoenix_firebrd> kevin_: try reading those articles and see if it helps
[07:40] <kevin_> in the windows 7 the network folder shows by Kubuntu user name but the folder connents are not available. Kubuntu doesn't show the windows 7 laptop connectd to the wirelss modem
[07:41] <phoenix_firebrd> kevin_: have you shared any folder in kubuntu first?
[07:42] <kevin_> how to share in Kubuntu ? In the Ubuntu forum they told me to right click on the folder to be shared, go the tab share and choose configure sharing and i did that but no use
[07:43] <Cush1> Hello, need some help with an upgrade from 11.04 to 11.10
[07:44] <phoenix_firebrd> kevin_: i havent done any sama shares myself, since i had stop using windows after i started using kubuntu
[07:44] <kevin_> I am planning t install kubuntu in my accer netbook
[07:45] <phoenix_firebrd> kevin_: ok
[07:45] <kevin_> how to connect to linux systems ??
[07:45] <kevin_> which version shall i choose for kubuntu ?
[07:45] <phoenix_firebrd> kevin_: can you check a thing for me?
[07:46] <kevin_> yeah
[07:46] <pascal_> Others experienced not being able to shut  computer down in 11.10?
[07:46] <Cush1> Upgrade status is that all files are downloaded, and about half are installed. The ttf-mscorefonts-installer is asking for a proxy, but I can't enter anything in the address bar, and it won't accept the OK. Am doing this on the command line, not the GUI
[07:46] <phoenix_firebrd> kevin_: can you see if this package is installed system-config-samba?
[07:47] <kevin_> ok ok it is not installed, shall i install it??
[07:47] <phoenix_firebrd> kevin_: ya
[07:47] <phoenix_firebrd> kevin_: it is a gui to manage samba
[07:48] <kevin_> okok
[07:50] <kevin_> I installed it
[07:50] <phoenix_firebrd> kevin_: try it
[07:51] <kevin_> got an error message
[07:51] <kevin_> KDEInit could not launch 'gksu'.:
[07:51] <kevin_> Could not find 'gksu' executable.
[07:51] <phoenix_firebrd> kevin_: did you run it from kmenu?
[07:52] <kevin_> yes
[07:52] <phoenix_firebrd> kevin_: open terminal and run this command " sudo system-config-samba"
[07:54] <Cush1> anyone got any ideas?
[07:54] <kevin_> yeah i did and I shared a directory
[07:56] <phoenix_firebrd> kevin_: enjoy
[07:56] <phoenix_firebrd> Cush1: hi
[07:57] <Cush1> phoenix_firebrd: hi
[07:57] <phoenix_firebrd> Cush1: have you read the release notes of 11.10>
[07:57] <kevin_> phenoix-firebrd: thankyou
[07:57] <phoenix_firebrd> kevin_: yw
[07:59] <Cush1> phoenix_firebrd: no, haven't
[07:59] <phoenix_firebrd> Cush1: how can i help you
[08:01] <Cush1> phoenix_firebrd: ran the upgrade through do-release-upgrade, all files downloaded correctly, and the install started. When it got to the ttf-mscorefonts-installer proxy setup, it seemed to get stuck. I can't enter an IP for a proxy, nor can I just click the OK to leave it blank. At this point, I'd be happy with skipping installing the fonts, so long as I can continue with the upgrade. Is there a safe way to exit the ttf-mscorefonts-installer without
[08:01] <Cush1> interrupting the whole upgrade?
[08:02] <phoenix_firebrd> Cush1: no
[08:02] <aftertaf> any one have luck changing kdm themes or installing new ones?
[08:03] <aftertaf> Get Hot Stuff installs them but they're no wehere to be seen... :/
[08:05] <Cush1> phoenix_firebrd: ugh. Well, I'll just have to see what I can clean up. Hate to rebuild the thing from scratch, though
[08:05] <Cush1> thanks anyway
[08:05] <phoenix_firebrd> Cush1: try "sudo dpkg-configure "
[08:50] <_n___> Hi everyone. I was just wondering: What's a simple database creation/management program these days? I haven't had to deal with that type of things in years
[09:40] <simulations> i just logged on to my pc and i am unable to view my windows in full screen
[09:41] <simulations> im using 10.04 kubuntu
[09:41] <simulations> any help ?
[09:44] <phoenix_firebrd> simulations: can you posta snapshot here
[09:44] <simulations> hey i just fixed it thx  man
[09:44] <phoenix_firebrd> simulations: good
[09:44] <simulations> it was one of my pannels settings
[09:44] <simulations> dooing the bad
[09:44] <phoenix_firebrd> simulations: what did you do
[09:45] <simulations> well it was on the option always show
[09:45] <simulations> and i put it on auto hide
[09:45] <simulations> or windows can cover ...
[09:45] <simulations> so its fine then
[09:45] <phoenix_firebrd> simulations: ok
[09:45] <phoenix_firebrd> simulations: i thought the problem was more serious
[10:04] <mika_> hi, i've upgraded to 11.10, and now akonadi doesn't start anymore.... why? on 11.04 I was already running on kde 4.7 and everything was working (I migrated the kmail messages too without problems)
[10:08] <phiscibe> check if dbus is running mika_ if not read the realease notes for kubuntu and ubuntu one has a note about new /var aned /var /run locations, this fouls a bunch of crap up
[10:14] <mika_> phiscibe: found out the problem, now it uses mysqld, not mysqld-akonadi... I had to add it to dbus
[10:19] <phiscibe> fun in commmmputing
[10:19] <phiscibe> i rember it beeing fun once
[10:32] <progre55> hi guys. upgraded to eneiric, and having troubles with sound. it disappears from time to time, when I put in headphones, for instance. any suggestions, please?
[10:33] <progre55> oops, I mean, oneiric* =)
[10:35] <Inadaptado> I only can suggest a fresh install, if you didn't. I know it's a bummer, but upgrading to Oneiric is proving quite problematic
[10:37] <progre55> but I cant fresh install.. got too much stuff here, and it would take me at least 2 days to set up all my working env. back
[10:39] <Inadaptado> Oh, sorry then. You'll have to wait for someone who actually knows about this. Lots of people seem to be having sound issues
[10:40] <progre55> thanks
[10:40] <progre55> I'll try googling till then =)
[10:41] <GirlyGirl> progre55: Yes I think I can help you with that
[10:42] <oxymoron> Gah, I reach insanity soon. This time headphones doesnt work after I managed to make HDMI work. I have checked alsamixer, pavucontrol and all is set correct. Still does not work :(
[10:42] <GirlyGirl> progre55: Firstly what sound card do you have
[10:42] <oxymoron> I changed back to analog speaker putput, used HDMI output before.
[10:43] <GirlyGirl> oxymoron: Open kmix while something is playing and the headphones are plugged in ... one by one mute everything then unmute them while playing with volumes
[10:44] <oxymoron> GirlyGirl: Nope. none of them affect it, hear nothing.
[10:45] <oxymoron> GirlyGirl: I think I installed pulseaudio again to make HDMI work. But it seems like I have to choose, remove pulseaudio to make computer sound work and nstall it for HDMI ...
[10:45] <oxymoron> i really try hard not to be pissed off at devs.
[10:48] <oxymoron> Firstly I am really curious, why do we need multiple audio engines, phonon backends etc? Like VLC, Xine and Gstreamer for backends and for engines it is like pulseaudio, alsa etc.
[10:49] <oxymoron> Why not check computer, hmm yes he have a **** sound card, oh yeah then we load the correct backend and engine for him. Nice, now he have sound without need to know what happens backend ;)
[10:51] <Inadaptado> I gotta say, I haven't had audio issues since at least three or four upgrades ago
[10:52] <oxymoron> Inadaptado: Well I had no problem when Karmic went to Kubuntu, and one or two upgrades afterwards. But now suddenly it does not work again, and same story as before Karmic.
[10:53] <oxymoron> if it works, how the ****** can it suddenly just not work anymore? any conflicts with new packages, kernel or what?
[10:53] <Inadaptado> I wonder if Oneiric is more buggy than previous upgrades
[10:54] <oxymoron> HDMI never worked before though for me, I am very happy it suddenly work :)
[10:54] <oxymoron> Inadaptado: I would say so, Oneiric feels worser than a beta or maybe alpha.
[10:55] <oxymoron> Inadaptado: It is quite ironic as future upgrades after 11.04 should not bring new features, only stability and improvements .... haha on that :D
[10:55] <Inadaptado> There are always issues in the first weeks after every release, but I definitely didn't have as many problems in previous upgrades
[10:57] <oxymoron> The issues SHOULD be isolated to the very great amount of prereleases like RC, beta and alpha. When stable, EVERYTHING should work flawless.
[10:58] <oxymoron> Seriously and this counts to EVERY single system out there, why does people never test things before release it? Some obvious bugs is hilarious they just is left behind and mock the end user.
[10:59] <Inadaptado> Like some minor (or even big) issues is gonna stop an Apple fun to upgrading...
[10:59] <oxymoron> Sure, meny people usually test, BUT not properly obvious. Even iOS 5 is very buggy and they "tested" it a lot and didnt do any new iPhone (4S does not count, no improvements)
[11:00] <Inadaptado> Apple fan from*
[11:01] <oxymoron> and in my opnion personally, when you code you never under any circumstances leave things buggy, you code each change so everything else works. if one bug is appeared, then pause everything and fix the bug before proceed.
[11:02] <oxymoron> heres one of probs with open source as *buntu teams have, not much communication, everyone seems to code isolate from the world.
[11:02] <oxymoron> Then compile everything and cross fingers and hope there is no bugs xD
[11:02] <oxymoron> Even if it is not like that, it makes that impression.
[11:02] <well_laid_lawn> it's been said before that kde does lack quality control
[11:03] <Inadaptado> Oh, so it is not only a perception
[11:04] <oxymoron> When sound, graphics, cpu and gui work flawless one day, Kubuntu will kick ass.
[11:05] <oxymoron> Then we could focus on making efficency, nice looking GUI and improve everything and focus more on better apps :)
[11:06] <oxymoron> Umbrello, Kdevelop, KOffice, Kate, K3B, Amarok is really awesome apps today thogh :) But we need a good backup program, that could be integrated into Kubuntu core.
[11:06] <GirlyGirl> oxymoron: I sugest you move to debian or arch then, you do realise that Kubuntu is a project directed by a very small team
[11:07] <oxymoron> GirlyGirl: Kubuntu is the closest stability you can get WITH a enough good GUI. Other distros i tried is a joke, a mock to the computer world.
[11:08] <oxymoron> One option could be buy A Macbook and use mac OS X, but that is very expensive. But soon I almost think the money it cost, is worth it as macbooks seem to have awesome lifetime cycle compared to other laptops.
[11:10] <Inadaptado> I was a Gnome user until Natty. Then moved to KDE and not looking back
[11:11] <oxymoron> and yes I am a perfectionist and have high standards. Someone need to press companys and devs to make better things.
[11:12] <well_laid_lawn> you could always ask for your money back
[11:12] <well_laid_lawn> ...
[11:12] <well_laid_lawn> it's free
[11:12] <cedric_> Hi, I have just installed kubuntu 11.10 and it's working nice so far. However, there is "something" that repeatedly accesses my HDDs (as indicated by the LED) and I would like to know what this is.
[11:12] <oxymoron> Inadaptado: I tried Gnome and Unity, but it does not work for me, not good enough. Kubuntu is closest what I want, but I want better :P
[11:12] <Inadaptado> cedric_: Could it be Nepomuk?
[11:13] <oxymoron> cedric_: Could be Akonadi
[11:13] <oxymoron> well_laid_lawn: hehe :D
[11:13] <Inadaptado> I disabled it in Natty, but I'm giving it a try now
[11:13] <cedric_> Inadaptado, oxymoron thaught about that too. Is there a way to stop that? I tried to disable nepomuk (dont need the desktop search etc.) but then it complains about nepomuk being disabled.
[11:14] <Anubis> i just removed bluez, bluezalsa and now my kde doesnt start
[11:14] <szal> cedric_: define 'repeatedly'
[11:14] <Anubis> what can i do ?
[11:14] <oxymoron> well_laid_lawn: No matter if its free or not, to compete with other OS it need to be good. I guess people who do distros want to bring down Windows, Mac OS etc? :P
[11:14] <cedric_> szal, Basically, it never stops... It's always blinking briefly.
[11:14] <szal> cedric_: totally normal
[11:14] <Inadaptado> Don't you have to stop Akonadi too for that?
[11:15] <Anubis> why do integrate all kind of stuffs in kde?
[11:15] <szal> like every 2 secs here
[11:15] <oxymoron> Would be nice if there was as EASY settings page, where you just press disable nepomuk and akonadi if you do not want it.
[11:16] <oxymoron> My laptop hdd does not seem to blink at all :) I think it is because I removed Akonadi from my system.
[11:16] <Inadaptado> cedric_, have you tried disabling both? Check what happens
[11:17]  * szal would rather want to know how to get rid of this "Waiting for network configuration" at boot; the workaround described in bug 811441 doesn't help here..
[11:18] <well_laid_lawn> 811442
[11:18] <szal> well_laid_lawn: ?
[11:18] <well_laid_lawn> just experimenting :)
[11:19] <Inadaptado> You need to add 'bug'
[11:19] <well_laid_lawn> what's 811442
[11:19] <well_laid_lawn> maybe it does need bug
[11:20] <Anubis> i just removed bluez-alsa, libbluetooth3  and it removed plasma-widgets, kde-workspace, kde-window-manager, kde-workspace-bin and a few other files. now i cant launch kde
[11:20] <oxymoron> When you add bug, how detailed do you have to be?
[11:20] <Eruaran> Can somebody tell me why audio has suddenly stopped working in Kubuntu 11.10?
[11:21] <Inadaptado> And here goes another one
[11:22] <_4strO> Eruaran: no pb at home
[11:22] <cedric_> root@dyno:/home/cedric# ps aux | grep akonadi
[11:22] <cedric_> root     13818  0.0  0.0   9244   904 pts/2    S+   13:21   0:00 grep --color=auto akonadi
[11:22] <cedric_> root@dyno:/home/cedric# ps aux | grep nepomuk
[11:22] <cedric_> root     13851  0.0  0.0   9244   908 pts/2    S+   13:22   0:00 grep --color=auto nepomuk
[11:22] <FloodBotK2> cedric_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[11:22] <FloodBotK1> cedric_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[11:22] <cedric_> and still blinking...
[11:23] <well_laid_lawn> check in top
[11:24] <_4strO> is it blinking because of the swap use ?
[11:24] <_4strO> is that possible ?
[11:24] <Eruaran> Amarok is retarded and cant keep its UI the same after being docked in the systray, applications literally disappear from Applicaions... yeah..., system hangs on shutdown, Muon package manager no longer searches for applications and... and NOW AUDIO HAS STOPPED WORKING...
[11:25] <cedric_> _4strO: from swapon -s
[11:25] <cedric_> Filename                                Type            Size    Used    Priority
[11:25] <cedric_> /dev/sda3                               partition       3912700 0       -1
[11:25] <cedric_> /dev/sdb3                               partition       3912700 0       -2
[11:25] <_4strO> ok :)
[11:27] <cedric_> It's absolutely puzzling me... I have 2 software RAID1, but so did I with gentoo and there was not such "constant/repeated" blinking...
[11:27] <Inadaptado> No idea. I don't have a swap partition and Nepomuk is on, but there's no blinking
[11:28] <cedric_> Could it be due to Ext4?
[11:28] <Inadaptado> I have Ext4
[11:29] <cedric_> Ok :)
[11:30] <Eruaran> does anybody have a solution to the sudden failure of audio on kubuntu 11.10
[11:31] <Anubis> how do i encrypt my folder and my swap partition
[11:31] <Anubis> ?
[11:31] <jamil> Eruaran: have you tried sudo alsa force-reload ?
[11:33] <Eruaran> jamil: I have installed latest updates, i have checked alsamixer's levels, I have tried rm -rvf ~/.pulse/, I have rebooted
[11:33] <jamil> Eruaran: intel HD ?
[11:34] <Eruaran> jamil: yes
[11:36] <jamil> Eruaran: try following this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[11:36] <jamil> Eruaran: it solved my issue
[11:39] <Inadaptado> Anubis: Can you afford reinstalling everything? The installer will give you the option of encrypting your folder
[11:40] <Eruaran> that looks like a lot of work for the user to do in order to get something as basic as audio working when it was previously working...
[11:41] <jamil> Eruaran: true
[11:41] <_4strO> Eruaran: so what have you done between the moment where the sound was ok and it wasn't ?
[11:42] <Eruaran> _4strO: plugged in headphones... which I now REGRET doing
[11:42] <Eruaran> seriously...
[11:42] <_4strO> lol
[11:42] <Eruaran> when a user regrets plugging in some headphones becuase the result is NO AUDIO AT ALL... that is bad
[11:42] <_4strO> did you test i_f you have sound in the headphone ?
[11:43] <Eruaran> NO AUDIO AT ALL
[11:43] <_4strO> will test
[11:44] <_4strO> when i plug my headphone i have sound everywhere
[11:45] <szal> http://www.abload.de/img/20111017_fullscreenupym.png <- see the pop-up 'bubble' for VLC in the lower right—that doesn't look right, does it?
[11:46] <_4strO> szal: i think it's a double bubble
[11:46] <_4strO> the vlc bubble + the kde bubble
[11:47] <szal> looks to me like there's a border around the bubble where there shouldn't be any
[11:48] <moetunes> that's the compositor not working rigth
[11:48] <szal> mouse-over popups don't have that
[11:48] <moetunes> ati vid card?
[11:48] <szal> nVidia
[11:49] <Inadaptado> Oh, well, I wouldn't worry about that, I've seen plenty of bugs around
[11:49] <moetunes> that might be the issue
[11:49] <szal> it wasn't one in Natty
[11:50] <moetunes> different driver/kernel/kde
[11:50] <szal> all of them ;)
[11:50] <Inadaptado> I have an Nvidia too. I see weird things like those constantly. System works fine nonetheless
[11:51]  * szal is more worried about this 'Waiting for network configuration' thing at boot right now..  and still has to do the KMail migration ;)
[11:52] <Inadaptado> I used to get that message when our router wasn't working properly. We have a new one now and it works right
[11:52]  * szal doesn't have a router
[11:53] <szal> nor WiFi
[11:53] <GirlyGirl> Just for the record Eruaran = oxymoron
[11:53] <Eruaran> GirlyGirl: ?
[11:54] <fanti> ,msg nickserv identify twinekse
[11:55] <SunTsu> fanti: good to know ;)
[11:55] <szal> yeah right..
[11:55] <fanti> hrhr
[11:55] <GirlyGirl> fanti: Please change your password now
[11:55] <jamil> lol
[11:55] <_4strO> hehe
[11:55] <szal> some people still haven't heard about auto-identify, it seems ^^
[11:55] <GirlyGirl> fanti: Its always advisable to use the IRC console rather than the channel ... many people make this mistake
[11:56] <SunTsu> GirlyGirl, fanti: Or use some sort of auto-identify as szal suggests and I use
[11:57] <Inadaptado> Quassel
[11:57] <fanti> hmm seems being to late,.. looking for a new nickname :-)
[11:59] <GirlyGirl> fanti: You can change the password too
[12:00] <szal> GirlyGirl: now you're too late ;)
[12:00] <GirlyGirl> fanti: You can change the password too
[12:02] <fanti> GirlyGirl: ah, thank you
[12:02] <cedric_> could the constant blinking be related to avahi-daemon?
[12:03] <fanti> brb
[12:03] <SunTsu> fanti: and you can create access lists so nobody except your known host masks is able to identify. /msg NickServ help access
[12:03] <SunTsu> damn
[12:05] <cedric_> Found
[12:05] <cedric_> _4strO
[12:05] <cedric_> sorry
[12:05] <cedric_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/607560
[12:05] <FloodBotK2> cedric_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[12:05] <FloodBotK1> cedric_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[12:06]  * Eruaran 's ears get blown out by the sounds of U2 in his headphones
[12:06] <Eruaran> OW
[12:06] <Eruaran> I got audio working again
[12:06] <SunTsu> yay, a flood bot that floods flooders
[12:06] <Eruaran> apologies for being testy... I am frustrated a bit by it
[12:06] <GirlyGirl> SunTsu: 2 different bots
[12:06] <_4strO> Eruaran: haw ?
[12:06] <_4strO> how*
[12:07] <cedric_> ubottu, Yes, but there seems to be no solution...
[12:07] <SunTsu> GirlyGirl: yeah, still, as much lines as the flood
[12:07] <Eruaran> audio still appears to be a mess... Phonon has a stupidly long list of hardware to choose from so I don't think its sure about the hardware
[12:09] <Eruaran> _4strO: Not sure... I just did the same things again and was just looking for ALC269VB (which I couldn't find) in the alsa text file when I thought I'll check Phonon again... this time there was a long list of hardware devices and things to choose from that weren't there before... so I started going through them and changed master channel to headphones (since I put some on) and suddenly its working...
[12:09] <Eruaran> _4strO: I'll have to look into it more as it still doesn't make much sense
[12:09] <_4strO> ok
[12:10] <cedric_> Came along "noatime" in /et/fstab. Any ideas on that? Should it be activated?
[12:15] <SunTsu> cedric_: only if you don't need atimes changed. normally this should only happen when you are accessing your disk
[12:16] <SunTsu> cedric_: maybe that blinking is some sort of file indexing service?
[12:18] <emir_> hi there, how to restart kubuntu from terminall, thanks
[12:18] <emir_> hi there, how to restart kubuntu GUI from terminall, thanks
[12:18] <cedric_> SunTsu,  I have jbd2 popping up every few seconds (via iotop). I don't know if there is file indexing on (disabled akonadi and nepomuk). If there is, would this be related to the blinking due to missing "noatim"?
[12:19] <SunTsu> emir_: restart your *dm - lightdm, gdm or kdm
[12:20] <cedric_> SunTsu, After all, isn't there always some access to the HDDs occuring, even when the system is idle?
[12:22] <Nilli> I would like to find out where the settings from systemsettings are stored, and if it would be possible to copy the settings easily between computers
[12:22] <Nilli> I'm with the tech department at a company
[12:23] <SunTsu> cedric_: if you disabled nepomuk there probably isn't.
[12:29] <phiscibe> reboot
[12:29] <phiscibe> shutdown -now
[12:30] <phiscibe> system settings is made up of modules, each mod problably has its own config fiile, likely in the users homd folder hidden as a .something file or the hom user .config
[12:31] <phiscibe> nepomuk just index for searches, but it can index metadata
[12:34] <phiscibe> Nill if u are still here, in addion to above jbd2 is the journilg system for ext4
[12:34] <Nilli> The modules I'm using are: "Input Devices", "Desktop Effects", "Workspace Appearance", "Application Appearance" and "Startup and Shutdown". I'm not finding any settings in '/home/user/.config/' that seem related to any of those.
[12:35] <GirlyGirl> Nilli: see /home/user/.kde
[12:36] <Nilli> '/home/user/.kde/share/config' looks promising, thanks.
[12:37] <phiscibe> there are IO bugs all over this realease
[12:38] <phiscibe> but that journinlg bug has been around awhile, you could disable it, makes data less sound
[12:42] <phiscibe> nill check out oneconf, it can cync configuratoin across machines using ubuntu one cloud suervice as man in middle
[12:42] <Nilli> Thanks phiscibe, but we prefer to do everything ourselves in this company :)
[12:43] <phiscibe> yes i 9often fel the same iwth my data
[12:43] <phiscibe> but those services...so alluring so ...sexy
[12:44] <phiscibe> eventualy oneconf will be able to save al la boxes settings, put the whole thing ain a VM for safe keeping, do a distro upgrade and restore data acrros many maqchines
[12:44] <szal> speaking about ext4..  I was pleasantly surprised when I fsck'd a 780 GB ext4 partition yesterday..  takes waaaaaaaaay less time than fsck'ing a 400 GB ext3 partition
[12:44] <cedric_> phiscibe, could you specify more about Io bugs?
[12:45] <phiscibe> not realy cause no body knows the root cause
[12:45] <phiscibe> high idle times, ext4 jourling happening every 1-5 seconds
[12:46] <phiscibe> udev madness with ntfs and usb drives constantly spinning them and eating cpu
[12:46] <cedric_> phiscibe, alright, so about ext4 the things that I found out too... But there seems to be no real solution. Apparently, also ext3 exhibit problems...
[12:47] <phiscibe> if you leave flash playing a video in a browser it will eventualy use all the memory and give u a sge fault
[12:48] <phiscibe> turn off journaling
[12:48] <cedric_> Alright... I will try the "noatime" for me first. But disabling journaling is not necessarily the solution I wanted. After all, that's in general a plus-to-have IMHO.
[12:48] <phiscibe> sometimes when i see udev running up the ladder, i can insert cdrom into the drive and the io's stop
[12:49] <phiscibe> i meant it a temp soluiion till they fix it,
[12:50] <phiscibe> put the journal into a ram dixk
[12:50] <phiscibe> disc
[12:50] <phiscibe> write it to disc on a schedule
[12:51] <cedric_> phiscibe, Will probably work, however, does not sound like a favorite solution to me. But indeed a good point!
[12:51] <cedric_> bbl
[12:52] <phiscibe> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nspluginwrapper/+bug/178038  the flash bug rings the bell in reports
[12:52] <phiscibe> does it in chrome also
[12:52] <cedric_> nice...
[12:54] <phiscibe> This bug affects 3009 people.
[12:55] <phiscibe> the power settings are also preventing the drives form spinning down hdparms  can tune this
[13:00] <cedric_> phiscibe, Alright, "noatime" did NOT do the trick for me...
[13:00] <phiscibe> i think this is a concert of problems
[13:00] <phiscibe> thewhole IO systme is whatcked
[13:02] <phiscibe> something in polling is my guess polling is the common denomonator for alot of this stuff
[13:02] <phiscibe> effects 64 more thatn 32 bit
[13:03] <cedric_> That's really annoying. Especially that there seems to be no fix in sight, despite being a common observation.
[13:03] <phiscibe> they have moved where some of the /var  and /run folders go too
[13:05] <phiscibe> they have added oneconf to all this, and the ubuntuone-syncdaemon  is now on the prowl
[13:05] <phiscibe> too many changes all at once
[13:05] <cedric_> Too bad :(
[13:06] <phiscibe> if u got encrypted mounts its worse even
[13:07] <cedric_> I was really enjoying ubuntu so far... But this makes me think about changing to another distribution, although I am really impressed about the whole ubuntu.experience so far. Basically everything worked right away, even with my fakeraid...
[13:18] <naftilos76> hi everyone, can anybody explain to me why the mixer controls on 11.10 are going crazy? While VLC is playing i opened up kmix and i can see the Suround, Center and LFE going to the max and min randomly as i someone is controling them. Last time i checked there are no ghost here! Also if i pause with the mute key on my keyboard i cannot get the sound to unmute again. The only way is to open the pavucontrol and unmute it manually. Does anyone has any
[13:18] <naftilos76> idea what is going on?
[13:20] <GirlyGirl> naftilos76: Upgrade or fresh install?
[13:20] <naftilos76> It doesn't get fresher!
[13:21] <naftilos76> It is ridiculous! Things are supoposed to get better! Not worse...
[13:21] <GirlyGirl> naftilos76: Upgrade or install from live image or alternate iso?
[13:21] <naftilos76> Never had this issue in earlier versions
[13:22] <naftilos76> I downloaded the usuall desktop CD iso image and installed it (not alternate)
[13:22] <GirlyGirl> naftilos76: What sound card is this, and was this issue always there or did it start after you did something
[13:23] <naftilos76> let me see the sound card info...
[13:24] <phiscibe> no clue on fressh install, if you hade some left over home directories or something
[13:24] <naftilos76> it is an HD nvidia snd card
[13:24] <phiscibe> one idea
[13:24] <naftilos76> is this enough?
[13:24] <naftilos76> the problem started once i did the install
[13:24] <GirlyGirl> naftilos76: See "lspci" output
[13:25] <phiscibe> the system needs propriatory drivers
[13:25] <phiscibe> like gstreamer ugly and video codecs
[13:25] <naftilos76> Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio (rev a2)
[13:25] <cedric_> phiscibe, A general question about Ubuntu and handling kernel-pathes/
[13:26] <cedric_> phiscibe, A general question about Ubuntu and handling kernel-patches/updates: How is this run in Ubuntu? Automatic installation via apt-get?
[13:27] <naftilos76> GirlyGirl: have you got any idea what the problem may be?
[13:28] <phiscibe> do you mean when the distro has a new kernel or for a user making a mod
[13:28] <GirlyGirl> naftilos76: run "jockey-kde"
[13:30] <naftilos76> i have already been through that dialog and selected the "Nvidia driver current version" but there is also an other row saying something about updates
[13:30] <naftilos76> there are a total of 4 rows
[13:31] <GirlyGirl> naftilos76: can you post a screenshot of that
[13:31] <naftilos76> i will have to log out and back in because i need to change the language to English. Mine is Greek!
[13:32] <naftilos76> give me a sec
[13:32] <GirlyGirl> naftilos76: ok
[13:33] <phiscibe> possibley dummy packages as place  holders, or headers for inject the nvidia driver into a kernel module or something, nvidia puts its own installer in nowdays
[13:34] <GirlyGirl> naftilos76: Before logout Open konsole and do this "rm -rf ~/pulse* ~/.pulse* "
[13:35] <phiscibe> that should not work as it is a fresh install, unless he have home folders left overe
[13:35] <phiscibe> i think you need some more plugins
[13:37] <Nilli> phiscibe and GirlyGirl: I managed to find 7 config files which will make things easier around here in the future. Thanks for your help! :)
[13:37] <phiscibe> well do u have sound?
[13:37] <phiscibe> if not install the gstreamer ugly package
[13:38] <phiscibe> and gstreamer extras, this version isnt check what all it needs to have a complete backend
[13:39] <phiscibe> probably because half of it is non free, so the left it out even though it breask their setup
[13:39] <phiscibe> nonfree is like having the koodies
[13:39] <cedric_> phiscibe, Adding commmit=600 in /etc/fstab did not change the behavior... Still blinking,
[13:39] <GirlyGirl> phiscibe: To whom are you addressing all that to? because nilli's problem was not sound
[13:40] <Hatl> hi! can anybody tell me whats wrong? http://pastebin.com/y0Dzyp1t maybe a bug in akonadi?
[13:41] <phiscibe> cedric_:  what was blinking again?
[13:42] <cedric_> phiscibe, The HDD LED
[13:43] <phiscibe> Hatl: something changed which database akonadi uses in this release, look the the package manger, but basicaly i think they changed it from mysql-akonadi to must mysql, or visa versa
[13:44] <phiscibe> does the kernel log show anything
[13:44] <phiscibe> cedric_:
[13:44] <Hatl> phiscibe: mysql-akonadi contains "exec mysqld" ;)
[13:45] <phiscibe> then dbus is confused about which is which
[13:45] <phiscibe> mabye
[13:47] <cedric_> phiscibe, No, displays that the commit-option is set, but nothing unusual else.
[13:47] <phiscibe> cedric_:  someplace there has to be a read and write, maybe in system.log
[13:48] <cedric_> phiscibe, Not necessarily, since if might be related to the jbd2-"bug"
[13:48] <cedric_> I was just testing if one of the workarounds worked for me, but they don't.
[13:48] <phiscibe> Hatl: open the akonadi server configuration app you may need to install it, check what the path is to the database
[13:48] <naftilos76> GirlyGirl: please remind me of the image pastebin to paste the image
[13:49] <phiscibe> cedric_: i thik it is realted to dbus problem, have you got a mix of diffrent file sysmtes
[13:50] <cedric_> paste.ubuntu.com/710946
[13:50] <cedric_> phiscibe,
[13:50] <Hatl> phiscibe: if i run mysqld manually i get no errors: /usr/sbin/mysqld --defaults-file=/home/gerhard/.local/share/akonadi//mysql.conf --datadir=/home/gerhard/.local/share/akonadi/db_data/ --socket=/home/gerhard/.local/share/akonadi/db_misc/mysql.socket
[13:51] <GirlyGirl> naftilos76: I didn't quite understand you sorry ??
[13:51] <naftilos76> do you know a pastebin for images?
[13:52] <GirlyGirl> naftilos76: Ah .. imageshack.us, tinypic
[13:53] <phiscibe> Hatl: some where is a config file for the ak server in it it sets the path to the executable, which used to be /usr/sbin/mysqld-akonadi
[13:53] <phiscibe> but i think now it is diffrent
[13:53] <phiscibe> there two services in conflict mysqld and mysqld- akonadi
[13:54] <Hatl> phiscibe: i started mysqld manually: http://pastebin.com/Wwux0XH3 what can possibly cause that?
[13:54] <naftilos76> GirlyGirl: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/804/snapshot1x.jpg/
[13:55] <phiscibe> i am still using 11.04  here it is /usr/sbin/mysqld  Ver 5.1.54-1ubuntu4 for debian-linux-gnu on x86_64 ((Ubuntu))
[13:55] <GirlyGirl> naftilos76: Open konsole "sudo killall pulseaudio" then "rm -rf ~/pulse* ~/.pulse* " ... then logout and log back in
[13:55] <phiscibe> but i have heard on 11.10 it changed
[13:56] <naftilos76> ok
[14:00] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[14:00] <naftilos76> GirlyGirl: i have done what you told me to do
[14:01] <phiscibe> i crash the irc client
[14:01] <naftilos76> GirlyGirl: the mixer is behaving the same way - nothing has chnaged
[14:02] <phiscibe> Hatl: these are my settings
[14:02] <phiscibe> http://pastebin.com/BHEpL6s2
[14:02] <phiscibe> but that was the old way
[14:04] <Hatl> phiscibe: i found a workaround: load the database with system mysqld -> export db as sql -> import sql using manually started mysqld-akonadi. thanks for your help anyway!
[14:06] <phiscibe> http://tinypic.com/r/2u8kzls/7
[14:06] <phiscibe> ah never mind
[14:06] <phiscibe> the kmixer has never worked well for me, i have to use alsamixer or veromix
[14:07] <naftilos76> GirlyGirl: are you still there?
[14:08] <naftilos76> She left me, just like the others...:-(
[14:09] <phiscibe> women, what can u say
[14:10] <naftilos76> phiscibe: u can say that again!
[14:13] <BluesKaj> kmix is just desktop gui for alsamixer , phiscibe
[14:13] <BluesKaj> and not avery good one at that , IMO
[14:14] <naftilos76> pavucontrol is very ugly in 11.10. Why the h is it like that? It was ok in 11.04!
[14:15] <xavier___> any body using smb4k?
[14:15] <zali> #cementine
[14:19] <Nightsdawn> Hi, anyone having sound problems since the big update? hear skype start up but and i cant hear sound from ANY web browser
[14:22] <naftilos76> can kmix have the pulse control again in 11.10?
[14:23] <BluesKaj> naftilos76, install pavucontrol , then you configure your pulseaudio setup in phonon
[14:24] <phiscibe> BluesKaj: it is re-reouted thru pulse and the full mixer controls are not exposed
[14:24] <phiscibe> andi dont wanna change backends
[14:24] <phiscibe> i get a main volume, not line in mic aux
[14:25] <xavier___> I've an error using smb4k. When I try to connect to windows Share I get: Sorry, try again.
[14:25] <naftilos76> BluesKaj: pavucontrols dialog can't get any uglier. I remember it being oxygen-like in 11.04 but not in 11.10.
[14:25] <BluesKaj> Nightsdawn, open alsamixer in the terminal and make sure none of the ctrl boxes are muted with an "M" , use the "M" key to unmute and the arrow keys to navigate
[14:26] <xavier___> And sometimes I get tty not present
[14:26] <phiscibe> i read about problems in the new release wiht samba mounts but dont remember details
[14:27] <xavier___> I've read some things about sudoers and askpass but couldn¡t resolve the problem.
[14:27] <phiscibe> something about fstab
[14:29] <phiscibe> xavier___: snb4k is that diffrent that cifs
[14:29] <phiscibe> than
[14:29] <BluesKaj> xavier___, do you mean the NOPW settings ?
[14:30] <AlexDevilLX> ok, guys kubuntu russian channel?
[14:30] <BluesKaj> !ru
[14:30] <boban_> Does anyone have problem with intel HD laptop when trying to relogin again in kde?
[14:30] <phiscibe> no password might not work, can you set uid and gid
[14:30] <Nightsdawn> BluesKaj tried that there all working ex for mic and turned that on now cheers. But sounds still not coming
[14:31] <AlexDevilLX> i'm banned there
[14:31] <phiscibe> uid=john gid=group or something
[14:32] <phiscibe> AlexDevilLX: what does  cat /home/user/.dmrc show
[14:32] <AlexDevilLX> btw, can i put compiz in kde?
[14:32] <phiscibe> user being your user name
[14:32] <boban_> @Nightsdwan try to install pavucontrol, and unmute output
[14:33] <boban_> that is if u dont have sound after mute
[14:33] <phiscibe> possibly with compiz but why would you it would shut down the whole kde interface, why use kde in the first place
[14:34] <Nightsdawn> getting it now boban
[14:34] <boban_> @Nightsdawn it is if u have muted sound in kmix, and after unmuting it u dont have any sound...
[14:35] <phiscibe> from term i use alasamixer to unmute, it is the bottome level of the whole sound mess
[14:35] <phiscibe> you have to use M  on the keyboard
[14:36] <AlexDevilLX> hey is there transmission for kde?
[14:37] <Nightsdawn> FIXED cheers folks pavucontrol showed output was defaulting to HDMI which i dont have. Switched to 5.1 analog and all is fine now. ill se if it stays put after reboot
[14:37] <boban_> @phisibe Yes, that is what i used, but if u mute now in alsamixer or kmix, pulseaudio also mutes it output to that device, and after unmuting in alsamixer or kmix pulseaudio still is muted.... Probably some stupid bug
[14:37] <phiscibe> ther is ktorrent
[14:37] <BluesKaj> Nightsdawn, kmenu>computer>system settings>multimedia>phonon>device prefernce, check the devices wiith the test button
[14:38] <boban_> @Nightsdawn, not what i thought is the problem, glad u fixed it
[14:40] <cedric_> Great.. Now, after re-installing kubuntu-11.10 with ext3, the HDD-access LED is on all the time, not only blinking up every 2 seconds...
[14:40] <boban_> Cedric, why do u use ext3?
[14:41] <cedric_> boban_, because I previously treid ext4 and I got a brief HDD access every 2 seconds. iotop stated repeatedly "jbd2" related disk-writes. I wanted to see if Ext3 does the same.
[14:42] <cedric_> I have to apologize for the moment for ext3, since I use RAID1 and it is actually syncing the disks -> hdd-access.
[14:42] <AlexDevilLX> Torrent RatioMaster for KDE?
[14:43] <boban_> Probably raid problem?
[14:43] <BluesKaj> guys the @ doesn't work on irc , just the nick is fine, most irc clients will highlight the line in that person's text if you do so
[14:43] <boban_> Be back really soon
[14:44] <cedric_> boban_, Naturally, I would prefer Ext4, but there seems to be something broken there.
[14:44] <phiscibe> use TAB
[14:44] <anuvrat> hi
[14:44] <cedric_> boban_, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/607560
[14:45] <anuvrat> the list in system settings > desktop effects -> all effects is empty
[14:45] <anuvrat> can someone please help me to get it back?
[14:45] <naftilos76> By the way, does anybody know when is Nibiru passing from Earth?
[14:46] <zali> #clementine
[14:46] <xavier___> BluesKaj NOPW?
[14:46] <scott__> a
[14:46] <BluesKaj> no password
[14:47] <xavier___> <BluesKaj, but what do you mean with NOPW
[14:48] <xavier___> I've been using smb4k without problems until a lot of years.
[14:48] <xavier___> the sudo was working with no problems.
[14:48] <Nightsdawn> @BlueKaj after reboot sound defaults to HDMI but system sounds are not
[14:48] <tanlines> Hey folks.  I was running Ubuntu 11.04, and then got on Kubuntu using apt-get.  All was well.  Upgraded to the latest version, and now everything appears as Ubuntu 11.10 with no Kubuntu to be found.  Any ideas how to resolve this?  THANKS!
[14:49] <BluesKaj> xavier___, in the sudoers it's , Username ALL=NOPASSWD
[14:49] <xavier___> BluesKaj, ok. I'll try it...
[14:49] <Kottizen> okay - yesterday I had an HDMI problem that could be solved by installing a driver, but this time I'm on another computer and jockey-kde says there are no additional drivers available - what do I do? I want to get the sound out through my HDMI cable
[14:49] <phiscibe> anuvrat: first guess, hardware accelration got turned off and desktop effects wont let u set them with out it
[14:49] <xavier___> BluesKaj but is not very secure...
[14:50] <anuvrat> so how should I go about turning graphics acceleration on?
[14:50] <phiscibe> xavier, maybe go to a creditials file
[14:50] <xavier___> In /etc/sudoers there's an smb4k entry:
[14:50] <xavier___> User_Alias      SMB4KUSERS = xavier
[14:50] <xavier___> Defaults:SMB4KUSERS     env_keep += "PASSWD USER"
[14:50] <xavier___> SMB4KUSERS      guimli = NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/smb4k_kill
[14:50] <xavier___> SMB4KUSERS      guimli = NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/smb4k_umount
[14:50] <xavier___> SMB4KUSERS      guimli = NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/smb4k_mount
[14:50] <FloodBotK2> xavier___: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[14:50] <FloodBotK1> xavier___: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[14:50] <anuvrat> phiscibe, so how should I go about turning graphics acceleration on?
[14:50] <phiscibe> verify thats it first i dont know if it is
[14:51] <anuvrat> okay ... phiscibe, so how do I verify that? :)
[14:52] <phiscibe> lemme think, i hate bulletproff x
[14:52] <BluesKaj> xavier___, use sudo visudo to edit the sudoers file , then you can list alias commands in ./bashrc
[14:52] <boban_> anuvrat, what is the problem?
[14:53] <anuvrat> boban_, the desktop effects are turned off and the list in system settings > desktop effects > all effects is empty
[14:53] <tanlines> Anyone have any ideas how I can get Plasma Display back?
[14:54] <boban_> What gpu is it?
[14:55] <tanlines> If you're speaking to me, I don't know what that means.
[14:55] <boban_> tanlines: no to anuvrat
[14:55] <tanlines> k
[14:55] <boban_> tanlines:How refer to him??
[14:55] <boban_> Anuvrat: Could it be this prob? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-workspace/+bug/875385
[14:56] <DarthFrog> GPU = Graphics Processing Unit.  i.e. video card chip
[14:56] <anuvrat> boban_, it is ATI Radeon <something>
[14:57] <anuvrat> boban ATI Radeon Mobility <some_numeric_value>
[14:57] <BluesKaj> anuvrat, lspci | grep VGA
[14:57] <boban_> anuvrat: Sorry to hear that, but i dont think your gpu is the problem
[14:58] <phiscibe>  cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log |grep dri
[14:58] <anuvrat> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc M92 [Mobility Radeon HD 4500 Series]
[14:58] <cedric_> boban_, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/607560 in relation to ext4 + HDD access
[14:58] <cedric_> -> why I try ext3
[14:58] <anuvrat> boban_,  why are you sorry?
[14:58] <anuvrat> boban_, is ATI usually problematic?
[14:59] <anuvrat> boban_, The effects had been working very fine on a fresh install of the operating system.
[14:59] <BluesKaj> Nightsdawn, in phonon make sure after choosing the correct device that you want to use click apply device list to , then ok
[15:00] <anuvrat> boban_, And since past few months they have been troubling, and I had no time to look for a solution .. so taking time out today, I am asking for help
[15:00] <phiscibe> cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log |grep fglxr
[15:01] <anuvrat> phiscibe, that command came out empty
[15:01] <anuvrat> phiscibe, no output
[15:01] <BluesKaj> fglrx
[15:02] <phiscibe> then u lost 3d acceleration
[15:02] <phiscibe> was this an upgrade or new install
[15:03] <BluesKaj> anuvrat, open system settings desktop effects
[15:03] <anuvrat> I am running kubuntu 10.10
[15:03] <anuvrat> BluesKaj, and?
[15:03] <BluesKaj> enable them'
[15:03] <anuvrat> phiscibe, it is the old fresh install
[15:04] <anuvrat> phiscibe, :P
[15:04] <anuvrat> BluesKaj, thats the problem, the effects are not visible
[15:04] <phiscibe> ah well install the ati propritory drivers
[15:04] <anuvrat> BluesKaj, the list is empty
[15:04] <BluesKaj> that means you don't have the recommended driver for your card
[15:05] <phiscibe> yoou have to add restricted extras
[15:05] <anuvrat> phiscibe, proprietary drivers? Oh God NO !! had done that with Fedora a few months ago and it was a disaster !!
[15:05] <BluesKaj> some proprietaries muck up the works
[15:05] <phiscibe> dont now if there is a 3d for ati that is free, mesa maybe
[15:05] <AlexDevilLX> Wow KDE is really cool
[15:06] <AlexDevilLX> Icons look like mac os
[15:06] <anuvrat> phiscibe, BluesKaj, the things worked perfectly on the fresh install. It was just one fine day that all of them vanished.
[15:06] <anuvrat> phiscibe, BluesKaj, so there is no issue with the drivers as far as I can tell
[15:06] <khaard> AlexDevilLX: yes, but is veeery slow and KDE loves the RAM
[15:07] <BluesKaj> do you have an additional drivers option in kmenu>apps>system ?
[15:07] <BluesKaj> anuvrat, ^
[15:07] <AlexDevilLX> who is MUSE fan?
[15:07] <anuvrat> BluesKaj, searching
[15:08] <anuvrat> BluesKaj, not me hte system is searching for available drivers
[15:08] <phiscibe> anuvrat:  cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log |grep LoadModule  and there is an issue it died on u, sucks
[15:08] <AlexDevilLX> 4 GB ram
[15:09] <AlexDevilLX> Gnome 3 is slower
[15:10] <phiscibe> what is the name of the ati module loading
[15:10] <anuvrat> BluesKaj, downloading and installing ATI/AMD proprietary FLGRX graphics driver
[15:10] <anuvrat> BluesKaj, fingers crossed
[15:10] <AlexDevilLX> i <3 AMD
[15:10] <anuvrat> phiscibe, shall I paste it here?
[15:11] <phiscibe> private to me to give the bot a break
[15:11] <anuvrat> phiscibe, [    37.923] (II) LoadModule: "extmod"
[15:11] <anuvrat> [    37.923] (II) LoadModule: "dbe"
[15:11] <anuvrat> [    37.924] (II) LoadModule: "glx"
[15:11] <anuvrat> [    37.924] (II) LoadModule: "record"
[15:11] <anuvrat> [    37.924] (II) LoadModule: "dri"
[15:11] <anuvrat> [    37.925] (II) LoadModule: "dri2"
[15:11] <FloodBotK1> anuvrat: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[15:11] <FloodBotK2> anuvrat: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[15:11] <BluesKaj> anuvrat, I wish you luck , altho ati proprietaries used to be effective , dunno about today tho
[15:12] <AlexDevilLX> oh
[15:12] <AlexDevilLX> Eclipse for KDE?
[15:12] <Torch> AlexDevilLX: probably not ;-)
[15:12] <AlexDevilLX> oh
[15:12] <AlexDevilLX> Why?
[15:14] <dmatt> hello guys i want to upgrade to 11.10, i made apt-get update upgrade distroupgrade and still no sign of new version available. any idea?
[15:16] <dmatt> updade-manager-core is already at newest version
[15:16] <phiscibe> anuvrat: the propritary ati drivers you may have had troubles with, but the free drivers are gimped. old ladies with broken hips
[15:16] <phiscibe> you will probaby have to use fglrx-installer sooner or later
[15:16] <AlexDevilLX> Hell Year
[15:16] <dmatt> it is 10.04 with KDE 4.6.5
[15:16] <phiscibe> what i dont get is how they worked before for a short time
[15:17] <phiscibe> they have done something to block apt from distr upgrades
[15:17] <phiscibe> you gotta use the gui sotware manager
[15:19] <phiscibe> dmatt: have to use the kpackage kit, not sure how they are blinding apt but they are
[15:19] <phiscibe> dmatt: READ the release nots man, 5 min of reading can save u a wolrd of hurt,
[15:20] <phiscibe> especialy pay attention to the /var /var/run folders moving and if you use kmail, count on it dying
[15:20] <AlexDevilLX> Hard
[15:21] <phiscibe> one bug alone has 3009 bug reports since upgrade, ONE
[15:22] <AlexDevilLX> in which state are foo fighters?
[15:22] <phiscibe> foolifornia
[15:22] <dmatt> phiscibe: I tried kpackagekit as first
[15:22] <AlexDevilLX> sorry mixed with oftopic
[15:22] <AlexDevilLX> california?
[15:22] <phiscibe> i was beeing afool
[15:23] <phiscibe> dmatt does the get updates not show the distro upgrade??
[15:23] <dmatt> phiscibe: only afterwards I looked for alternative ways to upgrade
[15:23] <dmatt> phiscibe: yes, exactly
[15:23] <phiscibe> ah
[15:23] <phiscibe> well they but a muzzle on apt
[15:23] <phiscibe> also if you have any ppa sources, you might be huring
[15:24] <phiscibe> you will have to roll back any ppa install
[15:24] <phiscibe> pre install
[15:24] <phiscibe> or kpackage wont even start will error out
[15:25] <dmatt> phiscibe: really?
[15:26] <Torch> dmatt: ppas _can_ cause problems. it totally depens on the ppa and what you installed from it.
[15:27] <dmatt> phiscibe: i  do not see any ppa, only bakports enabled
[15:27] <phiscibe> i had three wouldnt start
[15:28] <phiscibe> but it was a bad moveon my part, i thought i was just getting a kipi plugin source but it had a whole crap load of stuff
[15:29] <anuvrat_> phiscibe, BluesKaj, back after reboot no change :(
[15:31] <anuvrat_> phiscibe, BluesKaj, the list in System Settings > Desktop Effects > All Effects is still empty and when I try to enable the effects with Ctrl + Alt + F12 it says following desktop effects couldn't be activated" with a few names
[15:32] <dmatt> phiscibe: ok, i see it now, i found the setting to show new releases in kpackagekit repositories management, thanks!
[15:32] <anuvrat_> phiscibe, BluesKaj, thanks for your help, leaving for dinner
[15:34] <jaafar> Hi guys, the Oneiric update has resulted in some ugly magenta artifacts for me in some apps, particularly Konversation... any ideas?
[15:36] <Nightsdawn> Thanks BlueKaj all wirking now found settings i dint know where there. +1 to learning :)
[15:37] <Nightsdawn> -1 to my spelling tho
[15:37] <_pingu> kubuntu 10.04-> missing the online icon in the system tray. clicked it away. missing the vpn icon, too. how can i get it again?
[15:40] <_pingu> no one?
[15:42] <BluesKaj> Nightsdawn, just use the tab key to finish ppls nicks , that way they'll be spelled correctly :)
[15:43] <Torch> _pingu: _could have been_ knetworkmanager in 10.04, i forget
[15:44] <_pingu> Torch: knetworkmanager on console does nothing
[15:45] <BluesKaj> _pingu, sudo /etc/int.d/networking restart
[15:45] <Torch> _pingu: does nothing or says it cannot find it?
[15:46] <_pingu> Torch: does nothing. nothing to stdout. no program does start
[15:47] <BluesKaj> _pingu, correction : /sudo etc/init.d/networking restart
[15:47] <_pingu> BluesKaj: started the whole pc again. no effect
[15:47] <Nightsdawn> BluesKaj: ah cool, sorry for misspelling it im a IRC newbie as well as linux newbie
[15:47] <Torch> _pingu: maybe you just hid the icon... do you have icons hidden in your system tray?
[15:48] <BluesKaj> another correction,  sudo etc/init.d/networking restart ...damn old eyes can't see the KB well:)
[15:48] <Torch> BluesKaj: still wrong ;-) but this won't fix his problem anyway, i should think.
[15:48] <BluesKaj> still got it wrong
[15:48] <_pingu> Torch: hidden? i dont thing its hidden
[15:49] <_pingu> s/thing/think
[15:49] <BluesKaj> maybe maybe not ...it's worth a try , something turned off parts of his networking
[15:49] <Torch> BluesKaj: if you restart the service you usually do not affect the gui client
[15:50] <BluesKaj> bag gui s ,,don';t use NM , lucky for me
[15:51] <BluesKaj> Torch, are you gonna help or are you going to do corrections ?
[15:52] <_pingu> right mouse on the control panel show a  menu "add mini programm"  (maybe the transaltion is wrong. use german language) but i can see nothing intuitiv which does show the icon again
[15:52] <Torch> _pingu: do you remember what you did to "click it away"?
[15:52] <BluesKaj> _pingu, ethernet or wifi?
[15:53] <_pingu> Torch: not sure. think it was a right mouse click
[15:53] <_pingu> BluesKaj: WLAN
[15:54] <Torch> _pingu: and you say you already tried a reboot and that didn't make it come back?
[15:56] <jmichaelx> lol my audio/phonon configs are screwed up upon every single reboot
[15:56] <_pingu> Torch: got it know. the mini program i clicked away in german is: systemabschnitt der kontrollleiste
[15:57] <_pingu> thanks for your patience!
[15:57] <Torch> _pingu: that's the whole of the system tray
[15:57] <prower> hello :> i'm having some trouble getting the usb boot creation utility to work in 11.10...it's difficult to describe, i click on "erase disk" and then the entry for the usb key in /dev comes up several times instead of once, then it freezes :<
[15:57] <Torch> _pingu: so you must have been missing all the icons it usually shows, not just networking ;-)
[15:57] <_pingu> Torch: (-:
[15:57] <BluesKaj> jmichaelx, maybe your default card is wrong ..we probly need to reset it in alsa.conf
[15:58] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: somehow it is definitely changing what my default sound card is at every reoot
[15:58] <jmichaelx> reboot*
[15:59] <BluesKaj> jmichaelx, make sure your audio module is listed as 'options snd_nameofmodule index=0' in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf . This setting makes the audio module for your card the system wide default or Card 0 . To find the right module do. 'cat /proc/asound/modules', then a do, 'sudo modprobe snd_nameofmodule' , then 'sudo alsa force-reload'.
[16:00] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: ty.... although i wonder what has happened. have never had this particular problem before on this machine
[16:02] <BluesKaj> jmichaelx, unfortunately alsa seems unable to cope wit so may optional I/Os  so we have to tell it which card I/Os are default...it's treating one card as 2  in som cases
[16:03] <phiscibe> the level of complexity of these systems is reaching a crital mass, unexpted things happen, like big government saving the housing markiet ultimatley weakines, same systemic respoinse
[16:03] <phiscibe> weakens itg
[16:03] <phiscibe> it
[16:03] <phiscibe> dang ne keyboard ugg
[16:03] <phiscibe> new
[16:04] <phiscibe> ill be able to punch a hole in some ones skull with my finger after a nother month on this keyboard
[16:04] <BluesKaj> jmichaelx, it was looking at the hdmi/dvi outs on my graphics card as audio because i use a dvi to hdmi adapter cable from the graphics card to my tv
[16:05] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: why should it ever try to make a microphone the default audio device? (that is what it has been trying to do)
[16:05] <phiscibe> BluesKaj: the type of cables plug in can impact the essid reading, have you changed cables lately?  is dual head video and is one analog?  do you have funky converters for the connectinos
[16:05] <phiscibe> using a analog cable on digital mon
[16:06] <phiscibe> X used to not be so picky
[16:06] <BluesKaj> phiscibe, no, I blacklisted the hdmi and onboard audio cards after installing a new pci soundcard
[16:07] <BluesKaj> hence ,no more hdmi's showing up in phonon
[16:07] <phiscibe> is it the hdmi cable with audio and video all in one?
[16:09] <BluesKaj> phiscibe, it's dvi to hdmi adapter cable ...dvi on output from the graphics card to hdmi on the other end that connects to the hdmi input of the tv
[16:09] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: this /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf is prett well incomprehensible
[16:09] <jmichaelx> pretty*
[16:10] <BluesKaj> my audio goes from the spdif/pcm to an audio receiver DAC input
[16:10] <Jilly> Hey everyone, I installed kde-plasma on top of my ubuntu install and there's no wireless. Works fine under gnome.  Any ideas?
[16:10] <BluesKaj> jmichaelx, did you find the audiomodule ?
[16:11] <phiscibe> jilly type cat /home/jilly/.dmrc in term and tell what it says
[16:11] <phiscibe> ----------------------------------^^^your logon name htere
[16:12] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: firstly, all modules are listed as -2 in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf, secondly, i am not sure which of these modules i want
[16:12] <BluesKaj> jmichaelx, cat /proc/asound/modules ...pastebin the output
[16:12] <phiscibe> jmichaelx: is this a upgrade or fresh install
[16:13] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: it's pretty basic : http://paste.ubuntu.com/711029/
[16:13] <jmichaelx> phiscibe: it is an upgrade
[16:13] <Jilly> phiscibe, one second?it's booting.
[16:14] <phiscibe> also jmichaelx show us what  lspci | grep audio sows
[16:14] <phiscibe> shows
[16:14] <BluesKaj> jmichaelx, so you have usb audio card or some such device connected as well
[16:14] <jmichaelx> phiscibe: that will not entirely do it, since the intended default audio is usb
[16:15] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: it is onboard, but apparently using usb
[16:15] <phiscibe> ah
[16:15] <phiscibe> maybe lsusb will work
[16:16] <BluesKaj> jmichaelx, do you have any hdmi outputs on your graphics card and are you using them?
[16:16] <phiscibe> or unplug the usb, count to 5 plug it back up and do dmesg tail
[16:16] <jmichaelx> phiscibe: yes
[16:16] <jmichaelx> phiscibe: the usb audio cannot be unplugged. it is onboard
[16:16] <phiscibe> whats the card vendor model, thats what greping for
[16:17] <david_ha1tch> My headphone jack doesn't work. This has always been a problem on this laptop, but now the old fix doesn't work.
[16:17] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: yes, i have nvidia hdmi audio, and am not using it
[16:17] <Jilly> phiscibe?ok?it lists language, langlist, layout?.keyboard stuff looks like.
[16:18] <phiscibe> im sorry Jilly i was talking to jmichaelx for some of those for you i need  cat /home/jilly/.dmrc
[16:18] <phiscibe> if jilly is the logon name you use
[16:18] <arved> hi, after upgrading to oneiric, kde does not like my .kde
[16:18] <Jilly> phiscibe?well it's ariel?but yeah I got the file.
[16:18] <arved> it hangs when showing the harddisk image
[16:18] <arved> any ideas?
[16:18] <phiscibe> if not  cat /home/yourkubuntulogon/.dmrc
[16:19] <Jilly> I'm on a different machine though so I can't really copy/past
[16:19] <phiscibe> what does it syay ariel?
[16:19] <phiscibe> it should just one or two lines of output
[16:19] <Jilly> says: [Desktop]
[16:19] <david_ha1tch> Repeating: My headphone jack doesn't work. This has always been a problem on this laptop, but now the old fix doesn't work. The old fix: http://www.linlap.com/wiki/asus+g50v
[16:19] <phiscibe> ok
[16:19] <jmichaelx> i have three audio devices.... C-Media usb audio (SHOULD be default), usb mic (from logitech webcam, somehow this keeps getting set as default audio device), and nvidia hdmi audio (which i have never used)
[16:19] <Jilly> anyway, at the bottom it says Session=kde-plasma
[16:19] <Jilly> doesn't look anything about the wireless.
[16:20] <phiscibe> there have been prblems with the xorg bulletproff stuff setting session name to failsafe and sticking
[16:20] <BluesKaj> right that's what we need to black list , but first things first , open the run command alt+f2 , kdesudo kate /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf
[16:20] <phiscibe> but desktop is fine, so its something else
[16:20] <BluesKaj> jmichaelx, ^
[16:20] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: already there
[16:20] <phiscibe> david_ha1tch: thats along one man
[16:20] <david_ha1tch> phiscibe: skip to the Notes>Sound part.
[16:20] <phiscibe> the messed up logon would interfere with network manager, but that aint it
[16:21] <Jilly> 6 lines of output?Language, Langlist, LCMess, Layout and Session
[16:22] <arved> i have now used a new profile, any i can log in again, but i have the ugly gtk fonts again
[16:22] <arved> and don't remember how i fixed it
[16:22] <phiscibe> david_ha1tch: man i feel for you but im standing here in a towel, i dont get  paid, i just like being a techno nerd, and like alot of ppl in these linux rooms i got pesoanitly disorders, half bipolar and and a general pig, so fast m,essing me aint goona help in a vonlunteer
[16:23] <Jilly> phiscibe?oh it's not starting nm-applet
[16:23] <david_ha1tch> phiscibe: Apologies, sir.
[16:23] <BluesKaj> jmichaelx, ok ,look for the line "# Prevent abnormal drivers from grabbing index 0" , right below that ," options snd_hda_intel index=0 " without the quotes...save the file
[16:24] <jmichaelx> lol phiscibe
[16:24] <Jilly> so how do I make sure it starts nm-applet on login.
[16:24] <Torch> Jilly: you don't want nm-applet with KDE
[16:24] <Torch> Jilly: KDE has a plasma widget for that
[16:24] <Torch> Jilly: add it to your systray
[16:24] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: just to be clear, you are suggesting that i add that line to that section?
[16:24] <Jilly> Torch?.ok?I'll look.
[16:24] <Jilly> Do you know what it's called?
[16:24] <BluesKaj> jmichaelx, yes
[16:25] <phiscibe> jilly is it wireless
[16:25] <phiscibe> jmichaelx: headphone dection needs to be enalbed, where and how....dunno
[16:25] <BluesKaj> phiscibe, that doesn[t help us
[16:26] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: done. should i reboot atthis point?
[16:26] <Torch> Jilly: network management
[16:26] <Jilly> phiscibe?yes.  and I dont' see any kind of widget that refers to wireless networking.
[16:26] <phiscibe> but from terminal run alsamixer its a text based gui, use the arrow keys to move around see if you see a box HH or HP  or something arrow over to it hit M to toggle
[16:26] <BluesKaj> jmichaelx, no reboot needed
[16:26] <BluesKaj> we're not finished quite yet, jmichaelx
[16:26] <jmichaelx> ahh
[16:26] <Jilly> There is network monitor
[16:26] <phiscibe> Jilly: it is wireless though right, not wired?
[16:27] <Thinkerer68> Can anyone help with a usb hard disk problem?
[16:27] <arved> where did the screenedges go in kde 4.7?
[16:27] <phiscibe> i think there is bug witth xorg edgers
[16:28] <Torch> Jilly: you should have "network management"
[16:28] <Torch> Jilly:  the icon might be broken (it is for me), but it's still there
[16:28] <phiscibe> Jilly: right click on the task bar or use the little toolbox icon and add widgets, drag the network widget to your task bar
[16:29] <phiscibe> it is there?
[16:29] <phiscibe> Jilly: typing iwconfig will tell you if the system sees your wifi
[16:29] <Jilly> doesn't seem to be there.
[16:30] <Jilly> phiscibe?it does?I'm running nm-applet and that's working.
[16:30] <Jilly> I'm connected via nm-applet?you guys said I shouldn't use that one though.
[16:30] <jmichaelx> what next step should i take?
[16:30] <phiscibe> becasue kde uses a diffrent network manger, that rights data for resolv.config diffrelty and stores your password diffrelty
[16:31] <phiscibe> and has a diffrent notification system
[16:31] <BluesKaj> jmichaelx, ok , in the runbox again , kdesudo kate /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf , at the bottom add this line , blacklist snd_hda_codec_hdmi , save the file
[16:31] <ashwin> when i started kmail i got error:failed to fetch resource collection
[16:31] <bobweaver> Hello
[16:31] <Jilly> Ok?so I exited nm-applet...
[16:31] <yofel> phiscibe, Jilly: resolv.conf isn't done differently, but password storage and notifications are
[16:31] <phiscibe> ashwin if you upgrade, kmail is dead, go to the realease note and read, if you had data, u might can save it
[16:31] <Jilly> I go to panel options?.add widgets
[16:31] <phiscibe> the release notes gived all the detains on the kubunt site
[16:32] <Thinkerer68> chan is busy today  XD
[16:32] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: done
[16:32] <phiscibe> depends on wher jily
[16:32] <BluesKaj> jmichaelx, afterwards , sudo alsa force-reload
[16:32] <phiscibe> jilly jsut open system settings and go to network there
[16:33] <BluesKaj> jmichaelx, check phonon devices
[16:33] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: done (took a short while)
[16:33] <BluesKaj> maybe a reboot is in order , I've forgotten
[16:33] <Jilly> There's network tools
[16:33] <bobweaver> /usr/share/kde4/apps/plasma-desktop/init/00-defaultLayout.js           <- how to add konsole launcher ?
[16:34] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: i still cannot open phonon settings
[16:34] <KomiaPoika> hi
[16:34] <KomiaPoika> i have an old laptop with a dlink external pcmcia lan card, do i need any particular packages to make the laptop see the card?
[16:34] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: should i now reboot?
[16:34] <BluesKaj> ok try a reboot , jmichaelx
[16:34] <jmichaelx> ok, brb
[16:34] <Jilly> says wlan0 even says active.
[16:34] <bobweaver> KomiaPoika: lspci sees it ?
[16:35] <bobweaver> KomiaPoika: lspci -nn ?
[16:35] <KomiaPoika> bobweaver: hold on a minute, must switch cards
[16:35] <bobweaver> KomiaPoika: paste.ubunntu.com
[16:35] <Jilly> er ok?so I'm obviously connected to the internet...
[16:36] <Jilly> There's just no little icon/notification thingy telling me I'm connected.
[16:36] <ashwin> phiscibe: what am i suppose to do with kmail?
[16:36] <bobweaver> Jilly: kdesudo kate  /usr/share/kde4/apps/plasma-desktop/init/00-defaultLayout.js
[16:36] <phiscibe> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/ubuntu-63/speakers-and-headphone-both-play-together-592807/  for the head phone
[16:36] <bobweaver> Jilly: ubuntu.paste.com
[16:37] <phiscibe> for a broadcom card shows how to check if htere is a driver for it, but procudure works for other wired network cards  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1453778
[16:38] <Telek> Hi all, is there any way to set the kde4 panel to flash when an urgent window hint is set, like when you recieve a chat message from something like Skype?
[16:38] <Jilly> kde-sudo is not installed?did I miss installing something?
[16:38] <bobweaver> Jilly: kdesudo kate /usr/share/kde4/apps/plasma-desktop/init/00-defaultLayout.js
[16:38] <Jilly> er kdesudo that is.
[16:39] <bobweaver> Jilly: you are using kubuntu ?
[16:39] <phiscibe> general wifi trouble http://linux.about.com/od/kubuntu_doc/a/kubudg38t07.htm
[16:39] <genii-around> If you don't have kdesudo, perhaps you aren't using Kubuntu
[16:39] <phiscibe> ashwin for KMAIL https://wiki.kubuntu.org/OneiricOcelot/Final/Kubuntu/Kmail2
[16:39] <Jilly> bobweaver?I installed ubuntu?then installed the plasma desktop.
[16:39] <bobweaver> ahh
[16:40] <phiscibe> and a whole bunch of misc.   http://kubuntu-experince.blogspot.com/
[16:40] <phiscibe> i have to go1!! bye
[16:40] <phiscibe> *poof&
[16:40] <bobweaver> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ??
[16:40] <Torch> Jilly: also make sure you have plasma-widget-networkmanagement installed
[16:40] <bobweaver> Jilly: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ??
[16:40] <Jilly> bobweaver?more or less?I used the synaptic package manager.
[16:40] <bobweaver> Jilly: Is that what you did ?
[16:41] <bobweaver> Jilly: uname -a
[16:41] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: not out of the woods yet.... it is still making my webcam mic the default audio device :-(
[16:41] <bobweaver> Jilly: kdesudo kate /usr/share/kde4/apps/plasma-desktop/init/00-defaultLayout.js    <- that is default layout for panel
[16:42] <bobweaver> Jilly: **      /usr/share/kde4/apps/plasma-desktop/init/00-defaultLayout.js <- that is default layout for panel
[16:43] <Jilly> bobweaver?ok?just installing the network management widget worked. :)
[16:44] <Jilly> uname: Linux Meow 3.0.0-12-generic #20 Ubuntu
[16:44] <bobweaver> /usr/share/kde4/apps/plasma/layout-templates/org.kde.plasma-desktop.defaultPanel/contents/layout.js   but I am glad to see tha you got it working :>)
[16:45] <bobweaver> thouse two spots are from widgets (I think )
[16:45] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: it does appear that things start working, if i unplug my webcam
[16:45] <bobweaver> for not from *
[16:45] <kartick> hello can any one tell me how to set up kmail?
[16:46] <bobweaver> Jilly: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop <-- installed default kubuntu everything
[16:46] <bobweaver> !kmail
[16:46] <bobweaver> nope no bot for that
[16:47] <KomiaPoika> bobweaver: yes lspci sees it, it's an atheros device
[16:47] <Jilly> bobweaver, thanks.  Ok?I'll just install everything.
[16:47] <bobweaver> KomiaPoika: good news
[16:47] <Jilly> It's a teeny netbook?with a a 16gb ssd though so not lots of room.
[16:47] <bobweaver> did kerenel install mods ?
[16:47] <kartick> tell me kamil set up please
[16:47] <kartick> nay buddy
[16:47] <kartick> any buddy
[16:47] <KomiaPoika> bobweaver: but when i try to look for wifi's i don't see any
[16:48] <bobweaver> kartick: http://tuxarena.blogspot.com/2010/09/how-to-set-up-kmail-with-gmail-and-imap.html
[16:48] <bobweaver> KomiaPoika: lspci  -nn   && lsmod
[16:48] <bobweaver> KomiaPoika: in konsole
[16:48] <Jilly> I've always had trouble installing kubuntu itself?much better luck installing stock ubuntu and adding the kde-desktop
[16:48] <bobweaver> KomiaPoika: paste.ubuntu.com
[16:49] <Jilly> I so need a bigger laptop so I can actually see the screen (not getting any younger :)
[16:50] <bobweaver> brb isp is here
[16:50] <KomiaPoika> bobweaver: can't paste, the laptop is offline
[16:50] <KomiaPoika> what am i looking for
[16:53] <sorush20_> hi kontact has crashed kmail will not load... I get this error kmail encountered a fatal error and will terminate now kubuntu 11.10
[16:54] <sorush20_> I can't seem to rung kontact without the crash terminating it.
[16:55] <BluesKaj> jmichaelx, how do you know the webcam mic is the default ?
[16:57] <Jilly> Oh yeah baby, classic menu style?much better. :)
[16:58] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: it is what always shows up in alsamixer
[16:59] <Jilly> Can anyone recommend a good laptop that will run kubuntu and work with all the hardware <---- I'm slightly lazy. :)
[17:00] <ashwin> After update klipper is not working properly.Now history is always empty.i cannot copy text from one app to other.How can i fix it?
[17:00] <Jilly> I had a fancy dell xps machine and I installed ubuntu on it, but it ran super hot and the fan would never quit.
[17:00] <BluesKaj> jmichaelx, alsamixer screenshot in pastebin pls .
[17:00] <phiscibe> ashwin: its the same as kmai2 problem
[17:01] <phiscibe> you will be lucky to recover you data, it might be gone
[17:01] <phiscibe>  https://wiki.kubuntu.org/OneiricOcelot/Final/Kubuntu/Kmail2
[17:01] <ashwin> kmail problem solved
[17:02] <phiscibe> the upgrade changes the structure of the akanoda service, which stores all your kmail your kjotes calander  and contacts
[17:02] <phiscibe> all those are effected
[17:02] <genii-around> Jilly: I've had good luck with Acer in general. My main large laptop is an 8730, my netbook is a D260 ... everything worked out of the box on both.
[17:03] <kannan> sound not working after upgrade to oneiric..please some one help me
[17:03] <Jilly> genii?cool?maybe I'll check those. My little asus eeepc 900a from ages ago works great?but screen is just too small. :)
[17:03] <ashwin> phiscibe: how can i solve klipper problem
[17:04] <Jilly> genii?does acer still have the bios problems?or have they fixed it?  I had one of those ZG5's and the bios would just poop out randomly.
[17:04] <phiscibe> ash i am not so sure now, i dont know if klipper uses Akonadi's storage and data system if it does, even the devolopers dont have a fix
[17:05] <phiscibe> if it doesnt, then its probably a notificaiton system malfuntion
[17:05] <LuizAngioletti> Hey folks
[17:05] <phiscibe> dbus isnt running or ibus is not installed
[17:05] <genii-around> Jilly: I don't know much about the ZG5 or any bios prolems associated with them, sorry. All the models I've used ran linux very well though.
[17:05] <BluesKaj> Jilly, i had an acxer 4630 elcheapo laptop and it ran 11.04 perfectly including the wifi ...daughter is using it for her work right now so dunno how well 11.10 will run
[17:05] <genii-around> *problems
[17:05] <LuizAngioletti> I need to do something: open an application on the X environment from an environment without X.
[17:06] <genii-around> LuizAngioletti: Like a PuTTY session on a windows box or something similar?
[17:07] <Jilly> BluesKaj?cool!!  I'll check out the acers.  Unfortunately, I have to go cheap!!
[17:07] <fernandoanatomia> I just can swtich between hdmi and analogic autdio outputs via pavcontrol program... Does anybody has the same problem?
[17:07] <genii-around> Jilly: There is also System76
[17:07] <BluesKaj> I paid 450 for it , Jilly
[17:08] <BluesKaj> dollars that is
[17:08] <LuizAngioletti> to:gennii-around: I'm at a linux box without the X, and want to start, say, firefox, inside another linux box, while SSH'ed
[17:08] <LuizAngioletti> (how do you do the pretty-print?)
[17:08] <Jilly> Blues, right?..I'll check system76 again, but if I recall they're a bit pricey.
[17:08] <BluesKaj> fernandoanatomia, what audio card ?
[17:09] <LuizAngioletti> genii-around: Haha! Well..  I'm at a linux box without the X, and want to start, say, firefox, inside another linux box, while SSH'ed
 it is Intel HDA
[17:09] <BluesKaj> got a webcam too , fernandoanatomia ?
[17:10] <Jilly> Luiz?if I remember right, you just specify the display to use?ummm it's been years and years since I did that though.
[17:10] <LuizAngioletti> genii-around: I'd be in some tty in machine M1 (logged via SSH from M2) and want to start firefox at M1.
 is I do
[17:10] <Jilly> Luiz:  it's something like ./firefox display0:0
[17:10] <LuizAngioletti> Jilly: I tried setting the display: $DISPLAY=":0.0"
[17:10] <LuizAngioletti> Jilly: didn't work
[17:11] <LuizAngioletti> Jilly: I'll try this last one.. just a sec
[17:11] <BluesKaj> fernandoanatomia, in the terminal , alsamixer , which card is listed in the top left ?
[17:11] <LuizAngioletti> Jilly: # firefox display0.0
[17:11] <LuizAngioletti> Error: no display specified
[17:12]  * genii-around ponders export $DISPLAY
[17:12] <Jilly> Luiz?I always would do the reverse at work?I would have my windowing environment on my desk and then would be shelled into a system and would run graphical emacs at my desk.
[17:13] <LuizAngioletti> Yep..
[17:13] <BluesKaj> !pm | fernandoanatomia
[17:13] <LuizAngioletti> I think we're on the right way...
 Ok.
[17:13] <LuizAngioletti> # DISPLAY=":0.0"
[17:13] <LuizAngioletti> # export DISPLAY
[17:13] <LuizAngioletti> # firefox
[17:13] <LuizAngioletti> No protocol specified
[17:13] <LuizAngioletti> No protocol specified
[17:13] <FloodBotK1> LuizAngioletti: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:13] <FloodBotK2> LuizAngioletti: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:13] <LuizAngioletti> No protocol specified
[17:14] <fernandoanatomia> BluesKaj - in alsamixer appears HDA Intel
[17:14] <BluesKaj> fernandoanatomia, if your speakers are connect to your soundcard then analog ou t is the right choice
[17:14] <BluesKaj> connected
[17:15] <fernandoanatomia> BluesKaj - the problem is when I want to use HDMI to stream video and audio to my HDTV....
[17:16] <Jilly> Luiz, oh yes export DISPLAY. Um?you may need the & after firefox or it will try to run in your shell?methinks.
[17:16] <fernandoanatomia> In this case I need to use pavcontrol to switch the sound output to hdmi and use it again to get back to analog.... I would like a native tool built in Kubuntu not a exta program....
[17:17] <fernandoanatomia> I know how to perform this... but a noob wont...
[17:17] <BluesKaj> fernandoanatomia, run this and pastebin the output pls . cat /proc/asound/modules ..if less than 3 lines you can paste it here
[17:18] <fernandoanatomia> fernando@HollyLand:~$ cat /proc/asound/modules
[17:18] <fernandoanatomia>  0 snd_hda_intel
[17:19] <Telek> Hi all, any ideas on how I can make the kde panel flash when a chat window has recieved a message? At the moment it's rather uobtrusive and easy to miss
[17:19] <jmichaelx> what is the default key combo for the screenshot util?
[17:19] <Jilly> Luiz:  Did you do an env command to find out the correct display environment?
[17:20] <BluesKaj> jmichaelx, prntscrn
[17:20] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: ty
[17:21] <BluesKaj> jmichaelx, that key should work on your KB
[17:22] <BluesKaj>  fernandoanatomia are any hdmis listed in phonon ?
[17:23] <fernandoanatomia> BluesKay - yes but is gray
[17:24] <fernandoanatomia> BluesKaj; both analog and hdmi are listed in phonon but when I enable one via pavcontrol the others gets grey and vice versa....
[17:25] <fernandoanatomia> BluesKaj; that's the point I can't switch via phonon.... just via pavcontrol.....
[17:28] <BluesKaj> well fernandoanatomia in your case you are lucky you can do so ...alsa is somewhat limited with all the new I/O  that are available now ..dunno how to tell pulseaudio to fewed simultaneous out puts ... I need more research on it since pulse is new to me ...never needed to use it before
[17:28] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: silly question, but how does one pastebin a screenshot?
[17:28] <BluesKaj> !imagebin | jmichaelx
[17:30] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: ty... http://imagebin.org/179499
[17:30] <fernandoanatomia> BlusKaj;  for information - I tryed to delete ~.kde/share/config/phonondevicesrc didin't work - thank you!
[17:31] <jmichaelx> http://imagebin.org/179500
[17:34] <fernandoanatomia> BluesKaj: the same problem is reported in Kubuntu guide... just found it... at last the hack is there too....
[17:34] <BluesKaj> jmichaelx, did you do this command ,sudo modprobe snd_hda_intel , that I posted earlier ?
[17:35] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: no.... somehow i missed that
[17:35] <BluesKaj> fernandoanatomia, good stuff , perhaps you could share the URL here ?
[17:36] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: should running that make a difference?
[17:37] <jmichaelx> corrected question: what difference should modprobing that module make?
[17:37] <BluesKaj> jmichaelx, that command loads the intelhda kernel module , that's why it's not the default
[17:37] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: ok, i have run that command
[17:38] <fernandoanatomia> For those guys with problem with HDMI and pulseaudio: http://www.kubuntuguide.info/index.php/Oneiric#HDMI_with_PulseAudio
[17:39] <BluesKaj> jmichaelx, now do, sudo als force-reload , then check phonon , but give it a few secs
[17:39] <BluesKaj> alsa force
[17:39] <dmatt> so the upgrade to 11.10 ... failed with error 1, apt-get install -f says it could not configure multiarch-support
[17:40] <BluesKaj> sudo apt-get -f install dmatt
[17:42] <dmatt> BluesKaj: that has failed too, see previous post
[17:45] <BluesKaj> dmatt, try installing it from the terminal , sudo apt-get install multiarch-support
[17:48] <dmatt> BluesKaj: I tried but it complains about unmet dependencies and tells me i should run apt-get install -f
[17:52] <BluesKaj> dmatt, sudo dpkg --configure -a , then sudo apt-get -f install
[17:52] <Peace-> BluesKaj: :)
[17:52] <george_> Hello again. Checking my K menu after upgrading to Kubuntu 11.10 I've noticed that UXterm and Uterm were installed. What's the point of that if we already had konsole?
[17:52] <BluesKaj> hey Peace-
[17:53] <BluesKaj> !UXtrem
[17:54] <BluesKaj> !UXterm
[17:54] <BluesKaj> hmm
[17:55] <fernandoanatomia> george_:  spare space too fit into a cd?
[17:55] <dmatt> BluesKaj: I'm trying that dpkg command
[17:56] <george_> fernandoanatomi: what?
[17:57] <fernandoanatomia> george_: just a joke..... I guess they had free space to add more terminal emulators....
[17:57] <Jilly> Can you ever have too many terminals?
[17:57] <Jilly> :)
[17:59] <Jilly> So how do I get on the kubuntu development team?
[18:00]  * Jilly is itching to write some code.
[18:00] <opengeekv2> hello i'm compiling a c++ code crated by myself and I get an error on a #include <vector> line, I'm on kubuntu 11.10
[18:01] <george_> fernandoanatomi: :P Well, I'm pretty sure that there were more important thing to add than another terminal emulators ;)
[18:01] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: so far it appears things are looking good. am a little afraid to reboot, though...
[18:01] <george_> So, can I safely remove those UXterm and Xterm?
[18:03] <yofel> Jilly: you start by coming to #kubuntu-devel
[18:03] <opengeekv2> the errors are stray '/342', stray '/200' and stray '223'
[18:04] <Jilly> Yofel, be right there...
[18:04] <fernandoanatomia> george_: do you remember those programans in clipper withou a real graphic interface? if you want to run something like that you would need uxterm
[18:05] <george_> fernandoanatomi: can't i do that via konsole? besides, how people used to run those before the 11.10 upgrade?
[18:05] <fernandoanatomia> george_: withou = without
[18:07] <fernandoanatomia> george_: I think you cand do via konsole but uxterm is more suitable.... less prone to problems..... I guess.... nerver tryied for myself....
[18:07] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: many thanks... i just rebooted, and this time audio continued to work
[18:08] <george_> fernandoanatomi:Ok. It's very unlikely I'll run any of those programs anyway. Just don't like having lots of apps that do basically the same.
[18:09] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: this also fixed another issue, which was small, but to me very annoying.... all through natty, volume control in moc did not work. now it does :-)
[18:09] <BluesKaj> jmichaelx, glad to hear that ..it's areward in itself when I can help ...I really despise thes eaudio issues , there's really no excuse for them
[18:09] <fernandoanatomia> george_: removing these apps will just give you a few free bytes....
[18:09] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: i especially do not understand why it would ever set a device it clearly identifies as a microphone as the default audio device
[18:11] <BluesKaj> jmichaelx, yeah , beats me that the hdamodule wasn't loaded in the fist place
[18:11] <george_> jmichaelx, BluesKaj: the alsa update today, is it related to this solving issue? My sound now is not muted by default every login.
[18:11] <george_> fernandoanatomi: Sure... nevermind...
[18:12] <jmichaelx> there is an alsa update in the pipes? yikes, how much you wanna bet that will break this fix, lol
[18:12] <BluesKaj> george_, did you run 'alsactl store ' after setting the vol ctrls in alsamixer?
[18:13] <dmatt> BluesKaj: dpkg --configure -a failed because of too many errors :(
[18:13] <BluesKaj> jmichaelx, I think you'll be ok ...I ran the update ...no changes so far
[18:13] <jmichaelx> i'm not sure i have ever seen this many complaints about audio after a distro version upgrade like this
[18:13] <opengeekv2> solved
[18:14] <george_> BluesKaj:no, I didn't.
[18:14] <Breetai> Hey all. I am having problems with nvidia with Oneiric. It does not matter if I start with Natty and upgrade or do a clean install of Oneiric, the windows decorations are offset from the rest of the window. Does anyone know what the problem is. I did not see anything in the forms on it yte.
[18:15] <BluesKaj> jmichaelx, back when pulseaudio was first installed as the default soundserver , we had a lot of compalints , 9.94 I think it was
[18:15] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: many many thanks again!! off to work.
[18:15] <bosyi> hi. just installed kubuntu. have some questions
[18:15] <BluesKaj> ok jmichaelx ..don't work too hard :)
[18:15] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: same to you
[18:15] <bosyi> is there someting like software sources in gnome?
[18:15] <bobweaver> bosyi: muno
[18:16] <george_> bosyi:muon
[18:16] <GirlyGirl> bobweaver: muon software center
[18:16] <george_> bosyi:muon software center
[18:16] <bobweaver> thanks
[18:16] <bosyi> alt+f2? how?
[18:16] <george_> GirlyGirl: ;)
[18:17] <bobweaver> bosyi: muon %i -caption "%c"
[18:17] <bobweaver> might need kdesudo
[18:17] <bobweaver> not sure :>)
[18:18] <fernandoanatomia> I would like to suggest Kamoso as a default webcam utility in Kubuntu - it works fine to me....
[18:18] <bosyi> thanks. i was asking about how i can see "run command" menu. in gnome it was alt+f2
[18:18] <BarkingFish> bosyi, it's the same in KDE
[18:19] <bosyi> why not working for me then((?
[18:19] <bobweaver> bosyi: it is just plain old muon   and it launched
[18:19] <bobweaver> alt+f2 moun
[18:20] <bosyi> alt+f2 dont work
[18:20] <bobweaver> really *:>)
[18:20] <GirlyGirl> bosyi: use kmenu then ... it will work on next login I guess
[18:21] <BarkingFish> bosyi, if you press it, you should get a little box at the top of the screen or somewhere on it, in which to type the command
[18:21] <phiscibe> maybe its going to a diffrent dekstop or the page view settings is such its hidding it
[18:21] <GirlyGirl> bosyi: kmenu's search has the same function as well
[18:21] <BarkingFish> it's not a "menu" as such, more a box you can type the command into, or use as a dropdown to see the commands you used in it previously
[18:22] <phiscibe> u can add a widget application launcher with the old gnome style menus
[18:22] <owner> tes
[18:22] <bosyi> hm... work now. after i manualy launch it with right click on main screen
[18:23] <bobweaver> bosyi: look at keyboard shortcuts
[18:23] <k0s> привет
[18:23] <maco> !ru | k0s
[18:23] <phiscibe> russian
[18:23] <Jilly> New gnome allows adding widgets also?you just have to alt-right-click to get to the panel configuration stuff.
[18:25] <bosyi> if i have netbook it preffered to me to turn off effects? to speed up it
[18:27] <AlexDevilLX> k0s: я тоже забанен
[18:27] <AlexDevilLX> k0s: gimmie your icq
[18:28] <AlexDevilLX> where is he?
[18:31] <george_> bosyi: In some computers, having enable media keys on bions, will make some Functions keys not working. This is my case.
[18:31] <Daskreech> AlexDevilLX: left
[18:32] <AlexDevilLX> i need him
[18:34] <AlexDevilLX> ok, can anyone get
[18:35] <AlexDevilLX> ok, can anyone get on #ubuntu-ru and ask k0s's icq
[18:35] <AlexDevilLX> please
[18:35] <BluesKaj> AlexDevilLX, notnhere pls
[18:36] <AlexDevilLX> what
[18:37] <BluesKaj> do not ask that here ..this kubuntu support only AlexDevilLX
[18:37] <AlexDevilLX> pls, i'm banned on ubuntu-ru and you have seen him
[18:38] <BarkingFish> AlexDevilLX, If you want that information, you will have to either go ask for it yourself or wait for him to come back.  We're not a courier service, we support Kubuntu, nothing else.
[18:38] <BarkingFish> Failing that, send k0s a PM.
[18:38] <AlexDevilLX> how?
[18:39] <BarkingFish> AlexDevilLX, you type /msg k0s  followed by your message, and hit enter.
[18:39] <AlexDevilLX> ok
[18:39] <BarkingFish> when he gets the message, it's up to him to get back to you.
[18:40] <BluesKaj> k0s left
[18:41] <AlexDevilLX> really?
[18:41] <BarkingFish> yes, he didn't just part the channel, he left the network
[18:41] <BluesKaj> do a whois in the server text input
[18:41] <BarkingFish> You'll have to wait for him to come back, AlexDevilLX - sorry
[18:42] <AlexDevilLX> whois
[18:42] <BluesKaj> in the server text input box
[18:42] <AlexDevilLX> whois k0s.Pav0R
[18:42] <AlexDevilLX> whois k0s
[18:42]  * BluesKaj shakes his head
[18:43]  * AlexDevilLX cant understand
[18:44] <giantpune> hi, i have updated from kubuntu 11.04 to 11.10.  i notice now that the taskbar like to highlite certain items for no reason at all.  where before, it would highlite the item only if the corasponding program had something important to tell me
[18:44] <giantpune> has anybody else experienced this?
[18:45] <BluesKaj> AlexDevilLX, click on the freenode server
[18:45] <TheLastProject> giantpune: I'm experienced it, it's one of the highest rated bugs at the time =/
[18:45] <TheLastProject> giantpune: Let's see if I can find it
[18:45] <AlexDevilLX> cant
[18:45] <giantpune> please do.  i would ilke to subscribe to it as well
[18:45] <phiscibe> not excactly giantpune, but i have think the root of 70% of some of the bugs out there invole the notification system, getting accross the board bugs, but lots of them have been reported for awhile, and im using 11.04 still
[18:46] <AlexDevilLX> yay just installed kubuntu in virtualbox
[18:46] <phiscibe> but ive been watching for a few days i got a good over view of the buntu state of things, and nobody is getting any love
[18:46] <BluesKaj> AlexDevilLX, the I rcommend you use a real irc client like konversation or quassel , not some aim thing
[18:47] <AlexDevilLX> pidgin
[18:47] <BluesKaj> bah
[18:47] <phiscibe> ill tell you one thing, INSTALLING ibus has cleard up crap load of my bugs
[18:48] <phiscibe> after i installed ibus it all settled down, udev errors, and high io, ext4 journing high io, even the bug with the  flash driver that has 3000+ reports seems ok
[18:48] <TheLastProject> giantpune: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=275835 and https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=280659 (guess the first one is more applicable for you, I have the second one as well)
[18:49] <giantpune> yeah.  i get the first one with ktorrent.  and i get the second one with dolphin and chrome
[18:49] <giantpune> thanks
[18:49] <blackflag> Hello all, Im upgraded to 11.10 and Im having no longer openvpn connection. Im getting:
[18:49] <blackflag> ARNING: External program may not be called unless '--script-security 2' or higher is enabled. Use '--script-security 3 system' for backward compatibility with 2.1_rc8 and earlier. See --help text or man page for detailed info.
[18:49] <blackflag> debug: [openvpn] Mon Oct 17 17:48:43 2011 WARNING: External program may not be called unless '--script-security 2' or higher is enabled. Use '--script-security 3 system' for backward compatibility with 2.1_rc8 and earlier. See --help text or man page for detailed info.
[18:49] <blackflag> debug: [openvpn raw]: Mon Oct 17 17:48:43 2011 WARNING: Failed running command (--up/--down): external program fork failed
[18:49] <FloodBotK2> blackflag: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[18:49] <FloodBotK1> blackflag: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[18:49] <blackflag> debug: [openvpn] Mon Oct 17 17:48:43 2011 WARNING: Failed running command (--up/--down): external program fork failed
[18:49] <phiscibe> but before ibus process would not stop i have like 12 kates running 6 geanies, getty 5 times dbus daemon rung as main user twice and once as root 9 kworker
[18:50] <TheLastProject> blackflag: Please paste your error message on a site like http://paste.kde.org
[18:50] <phiscibe> i got 8 nepomuservices running
[18:51] <phiscibe> my cd drives used to spin at will and the usb thumb blink and blink and blink
[18:51] <AlexDevilLX> how to activate cube in KDE?
[18:52] <TheLastProject> AlexDevilLX: System Settings -> Desktop Effects -> All Effects -> Desktop Cube
[18:53] <AlexDevilLX> how? ctrl+f11?
[18:53] <TheLastProject> AlexDevilLX: If you have activated the effect, yes.
[18:54] <AlexDevilLX> it doesnt work
[18:54] <Daskreech> !ra
[18:55] <Daskreech> AlexDevilLX: He's not been on ubuntu-ra I've been hanging there
[18:56] <TheLastProject> AlexDevilLX: Works here, have you enabled it on Desktop effects? Also, are Desktop Effects enabled at all? (Alt+Shift+F12 should toggle that). Otherwise I honestly don't know, I'm pretty new as well =/
[18:56] <Daskreech> AlexDevilLX: did you turn on the effect?
[18:57] <Daskreech> Bah #ubuntu-ru :)
[18:58] <genii-around> AlexDevilLX: Does your VM have some kind of compositing?
[19:01] <AlexDevilLX> but
[19:01] <AlexDevilLX> OK, i dont think i'll work in virtualbox
[19:01] <Daskreech> That's possible
[19:02] <AlexDevilLX> ok, destop effect are on
[19:04] <AlexDevilLX> heh
[19:05] <Daskreech> AlexDevilLX: works?
[19:16] <shane2peru> I know I can upgrade via the alternative install disk, but I can't seem to find any clear documentation, any ideas??
[19:16] <shane2peru> !upgrade
[19:20] <pangolin> thanks Pici
[19:20] <Pici> no
[19:20] <Pici> er, no problem
[19:20] <shane2peru> thanks Pici
[19:20] <shane2peru> am I really set free?  Released from the muted prison?
[19:20] <pangolin> shane2peru: we see you now
[19:21] <DarthFrog> You've served your time. :-)
[19:21] <shane2peru> wow, 10 days in the slammer, that was tough!
[19:21] <shane2peru> right through upgrade days too.
[19:22] <shane2peru> I was thinking I could upgrade with GUI with alt-disk, just pop it in, and it used to offer to upgrade, is that not the case now?
[19:22]  * genii-around slides shane2peru a consolation coffee
[19:22]  * shane2peru enjoys the liberty to sip a little coffee.
[19:22] <DarthFrog> shane2peru:  You can upgrade by "sudo do-release-upgrade".
[19:23] <shane2peru> DarthFrog: ok, but I don't want to download all the packages, I want to get them off the disk
[19:23] <shane2peru> I usually don't 'upgrade' I usually clean install, but wanted to try an upgrade
[19:23] <shane2peru> without downloading everything from the web as we go, my web is too slow.
[19:26] <jamil_1> shane2peru: I think you can add an entry in source.list like file:://path/to/mounted/iso
[19:26] <jmichaelx> i just had my system freak out a little upon trying to copy a file from dolphin to the folder view widget...
[19:27] <giantpune> shane2peru, http://dense.hubpages.com/hub/Ubuntu-Offline-Upgrade .  scroll down a bit and it has some magic stuff to do that sy it will llow you to upgrade using the alternate CD
[19:27] <giantpune> it looks a few years old, but still valid information
[19:31] <phiscibe> time to reboot memory usage at 70% 25 process that didnt close (like 8 kate's)
[19:32] <Daskreech> shane2peru: Just add the cdrom as a repo it will pretty much always choose it once there are no security updates
[19:32] <bobweaver> I have a konsole question I am playing with /usr/share/applications right now and am trying to set up a menu and also icons and commands to start this is where I am having trouble
[19:32] <Daskreech> ha ha
[19:33] <Daskreech> funny how often people choose to reboot when somethign like logging off would work just as well
[19:33] <bobweaver> konsole --workdir <name of dir> -e "<cmd>"
[19:33] <Daskreech> konsole sessions?
[19:33] <bobweaver> but I have a welcome screen in bashrc
[19:33] <bobweaver> yes Daskreech
[19:34] <bobweaver> so I tried konsole --workdir <name of dir> --hold -e "<cmd>"   and it looks good but how to drop the hold ?
[19:35] <shane2peru> ok, thanks all, had to get the door but I'm back now,
[19:39] <kmmndr> hi all :-)
[19:40] <kmmndr> I've upgraded to kubuntu 11.10 (from 11.04) and now the session start but there are no menu, nor icon or any other thing on screen
[19:40] <Daskreech> !hi
[19:40] <kmmndr> does anyone ever experienced such strange things ?
[19:40] <shane2peru> jamil_1: I assume running off the iso is actually faster than the disk?  plus avoids burning errors?
[19:41] <jamil_1> shane2peru: and you dont have to waste another disk
[19:41] <shane2peru> jamil_1: cdrw ;)
[19:41] <jamil_1> shane2peru: and you dont have to go and look for a writable disk :)
[19:41] <Daskreech> kmmndr: does alt+F2 work ?
[19:41] <shane2peru> but I'm intrigued with the idea of running directly off the iso
[19:42] <Daskreech> There was some hacky way to boot from the ISO as I recall as well
[19:43] <kmmndr> Daskreech: no, I only have some notification on top of the screen
[19:43] <shane2peru> ahh, my cdrom source is un-checked, that is why it didn't pop up the usual 'upgrade' thing
[19:43] <Daskreech> kmmndr: in grey boxes?
[19:43] <shane2peru> Daskreech: I should be able to upgrade, right from here right? without re-booting?
[19:43] <kmmndr> Daskreech: yes, in grey boxes
[19:44] <Daskreech> shane2peru: Yes you should. Just musing on ISO hacks
[19:44] <Daskreech> kmmndr: ok are you comfortable with the Virtual terminals ?
[19:44] <shane2peru> ok, thanks
[19:44] <Daskreech> shane2peru: Well I mean You will have to reboot at teh end
[19:44] <shane2peru> right
[19:44] <kmmndr> Daskreech: yes, no prob
[19:45] <Daskreech> the kernel probably has updates and libc stuff will be upgraded so you will want to reboot but other than that you can keep your computer running as long as you want
[19:45] <kmmndr> Daskreech: I tried to apt-get --purge remove (all kde) and install again, but it doesn't solve
[19:45] <Daskreech> kmmndr: Ok jump to a virtual terminal and type export DISPLAY=:0.0 && konsole& then jump back to X
[19:46] <Daskreech> We should be able to run some tests then
[19:46] <shane2peru> I am better off with the alternative disk rather than the regular desktop disk right? or is that old school?
[19:46] <Daskreech> kmmndr: shouldn't need anything that drastic I think
[19:46] <Daskreech> shane2peru: You can't upgrade from the Live CD. It doesn't have any packages on it
[19:47] <kmmndr> Daskreech: I've my konsole
[19:47] <Daskreech> kmmndr: ok type plasma-desktop &
[19:47] <shane2peru> Live CD?  that is the same as the install cd? doesn't have packages on it?  because it is a system, and actually copies itself over the disk drive upon installation?
[19:47] <shane2peru> Daskreech: ^^
[19:48] <Daskreech> shane2peru: Correct
[19:48] <shane2peru> interesting, never realized that, or thought of that.
[19:48] <Daskreech> it's almost a dd
[19:48] <shane2peru> right, figured that is probably what it used.
[19:48] <Daskreech> (it's not don't quote me on that) but it's pretty close
[19:49] <shane2peru> ahh, simple enough for me to understand.  Thanks for the info.
[19:49] <Daskreech> It transfers an expanded image of a fully functional system then runs scripts to do updates and change things that make sense on a full computer that don't make sense on a unwriteable CD
[19:49] <kmmndr> Daskreech: I've my bar and all the stuff
[19:49] <shane2peru> right, that makes sense
[19:50] <Daskreech> the alternative is the actual packages as held on the server so it's a simple thing to upgrade from it and faster (if you can consider downloading all the packages you are NOT going to upgrade then burning them faster than just the ones you need)
[19:50] <BarkingFish> Is there any way at all of stopping Kubuntu from trying to get me to sudo everything, or providing passwords for every little thing I want to do? I'm the only user of this machine, I don't see why I need permission to use my own dang PC :)
[19:50] <Daskreech> kmmndr: does alt=F2 work ?
[19:50] <kmmndr> Daskreech: how do I ask plasma-desktop to start automagicly ? does it survive if I close the session and stard again ?
[19:50] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: Edit the commands to assume kdesudo and make yourself sudoless
[19:51] <kmmndr> Daskreech: no ALT+F2 still does not work
[19:51] <Daskreech> kmmndr: Logout and log back in
[19:51] <Daskreech> kmmndr: type in krunner &
[19:51] <BarkingFish> Daskreech, I have no idea how to do that.
[19:51] <BarkingFish> Could I possibly get some pointers please?
[19:53] <Daskreech> !root > BarkingFish
[19:54] <BarkingFish> Daskreech, I'm way past that already.  I already set a root password on here.
[19:54] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: what you are looking for is passwordless on that page
[19:54] <kmmndr> Daskreech: closing session wasn't a good idea, as it has started again as before
[19:54] <Daskreech> kmmndr: >_>
[19:54] <BarkingFish> ah, OK Daskreech - cheers
[19:55] <Daskreech> kmmndr: ok jump back to the VT and run krunner or konsole
[19:55] <kmmndr> Daskreech: I've run the same command as before to have the menu
[19:55] <Daskreech> which ever you prefer
[19:55] <kmmndr> that's it
[19:55] <Daskreech> Ok
[19:55] <Daskreech> can you pastebin ~/.xsession-errors ?
[20:00] <jemand> Hi all, just a question:
[20:00] <jemand> anyone running Kmail 2.0 ?
[20:00] <jemand> How did you do this?
[20:00] <izaki> jemand: Problems importing your old email?
[20:00] <jemand> jep
[20:01] <BarkingFish> izaki, did you try the kmail-migrator command?
[20:01] <izaki> I had to do  that several times...
[20:01] <jemand> it ran once and came up with errors
[20:01] <izaki> In the end I cleaned up everything and started from scratch...
[20:01] <BarkingFish> right, KDE have a bug open about the kmail-migrator which you might want to comment on, izaki
[20:02] <BarkingFish> I and several others have found that it didn't work, I'm the only one who has commented on the Bug though
[20:02] <jemand> there are more BUG reports than the poor guys can read
[20:03] <BarkingFish> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=284132 << this one for the kmail-migrator
[20:03] <tomas__> I am trying to move my MP3 collection (ap. 26,000 files) from an ext USB drive to an internal IDE one, but I keep getting kernel panics when I do. Using 11.04. Any thoughts?
[20:03] <BarkingFish> jemand, as long as people keep finding them, KDE will keep getting them :)
[20:04] <kmmndr> Daskreech: http://pastebin.com/RZR607Mh
[20:05] <jemand> is there any chance to have Kmail 1 running ?
[20:06] <izaki> BarkingFish: I am gonna write a comment...
[20:06] <izaki> It really "got me very angry"...
[20:06] <jemand> that would help
[20:06] <jemand> for now
[20:06] <BarkingFish> ok, you may need to make an account first, izaki - if you already have one, ok, if not, it's easy to make one.
[20:06] <izaki> I have one, I am a usual reporter.
[20:07] <Torch> tomas__: buggy hardware. or kernel bug.
[20:07] <tomas__> Weak
[20:08] <izaki> tomas__: dmesg?
[20:08] <Daskreech> kmmndr: Hmm no errors
[20:08] <izaki> What's the last message?
[20:09] <kmmndr> Daskreech: that's strange :-)
[20:09] <Daskreech> kmmndr: But good
[20:10] <tomas__> izaki: Only thing that looks relevant: [35187.470543] npviewer.bin[18409]: segfault at f5cbc243 ip 00000000f5cbc243 sp 00000000eb3a11c0 error 14
[20:10] <Torch> tomas__: that's flash crashing
[20:10] <Daskreech> kmmndr: ok lets see if it's a session thing.
[20:10] <Daskreech> kmmndr: kcmshell4 kcmsmserver
[20:11] <Daskreech> Tell it on login to use an empty session then logout and log back in
[20:11] <izaki> tomas__: That's flash
[20:11] <izaki> It is unrelated...
[20:11] <izaki> Oh, Torch said it before
[20:12] <Torch> tomas__: when you say kernel panic... what happens exactly?
[20:12] <kmmndr> Daskreech: thank you very much :-)
[20:12] <gnomefreak> wanna hear something funny? i remove libqtcore4 kubuntu-desktop and it wants to _install_ kate-data kde-runtime-data kdelibs5-data
[20:12] <gnomefreak> is it just me or is that strange way to remove qt libs
[20:12] <Daskreech> kmmndr: worked?
[20:14] <tomas__> Torch: It usually happens while I'm away. I come back and X has completely crashed, there's a bunch of terminal output but I can type anything and am forced to do a hard reset
[20:14] <kmmndr> Daskreech: no, I doesn't worked
[20:15] <kmmndr> still the same thing
[20:15] <izaki> tomas__: do you know the elefants kernel reboot combination?
[20:16] <Daskreech> kmmndr: can you run ksysguard and filter by your user
[20:16] <Daskreech> do you see kdeinit4 runing?
[20:16] <izaki> tomas__: try pressing alt + sysrq and then one by one R S E I U B (Raising Skinny Elephants Is Utterly Boring)
[20:16] <izaki> If that reboots your computer, the kernel isn't dead.
[20:17] <Daskreech> Well you would have to to get notifications but how many processes are running?
[20:17] <Daskreech> tomas__: try alt+sysreq K to reboot X
[20:17] <kmmndr> Daskreech: kdeinit4 is running
[20:17] <Daskreech> kmmndr: is startkde running ?
[20:18] <kmmndr> Daskreech: yes, it is
[20:18] <Daskreech> kmmndr: hmm
[20:18] <Daskreech> kmmndr: so I guess kwin is running ?
[20:19] <kmmndr> Daskreech: yes
[20:19] <kmmndr> :-)
[20:20] <Daskreech> So you have most things running except the interface
[20:20] <tomas__> Cool, I'll try that. Thanks
[20:21] <kmmndr> Daskreech: there are a lot of kde'stuff running
[20:21] <Daskreech> kmmndr: but no plasma-desktop
[20:22] <kmmndr> Daskreech: no plasma-desktop
[20:23] <Daskreech> kmmndr: is your desktop heavily customised ?
[20:23] <kmmndr> Daskreech: not especialy, and I removed my .kde folder
[20:24] <kmmndr> Daskreech: I removed all kde packages using --purge
[20:24] <Daskreech> kmmndr: That doesn't remove ~/.kde
[20:24] <Daskreech> unless you did it yourself
[20:25] <kmmndr> Daskreech: I did it myself :-)
[20:25] <Torch> kmmndr: and what does plasma-desktop say when you just run it from a shell?
[20:26] <Daskreech> That was my next question.  What's the output from plasma-desktop from the shell ?
[20:26] <Daskreech> Pastebin please
[20:33] <kmmndr> Daskreech: http://pastebin.com/z8UK8W7Q
[20:36] <PasNox> any hint on why kubuntu does no longer offer to install sun java from official packages ??
[20:36] <PasNox> i'm using smartgit2 and it require it ... :/
[20:37] <genii-around> PasNox: Should still be available from partner repo
[20:37] <PasNox> genii-around: no i have activate it and it's not listed in packages :/
[20:37] <TheEvilPhoenix> PasNox, activate repo, then update?
[20:37] <PasNox> TheEvilPhoenix: already done :)
[20:37] <PasNox> and it's still not there.
[20:38] <PasNox> i'm running kubuntu 11.10 64bits
[20:38] <Daskreech> PasNox: because it's Oracle Java now
[20:38] <PasNox> Daskreech: ah .. true
[20:38] <PasNox> xD
[20:38] <PasNox> let check :D
[20:39] <PasNox> DarthFrog: still not visible :/
[20:39] <PasNox> oups sorry, it was for Daskreech
[20:39] <Daskreech> PasNox: that's not a joke. They have to take it out of the repos because of Oracle
[20:40] <PasNox> Daskreech: oh ok i was not understanding this way
[20:40] <PasNox> fuc koracle.
[20:40] <PasNox> stupid enterprise.
[20:40] <PasNox> xD
[20:40] <PasNox> ok so let install it by downloading :/
[20:40] <PasNox> thank you
[20:40] <genii-around> PasNox: We understand the frustration, but please watch the profanity
[20:40] <Daskreech> They changed the License so that it can't be redistributed without explicit Oracle permission
[20:41] <Daskreech> And no cursing here
[20:41] <PasNox> genii-around: excuse me.
[20:41] <PasNox> i see.
[20:41]  * Torch notes he's explicitly ok with the profanity in the case of oracle
[20:41] <kmmndr> Daskreech: sorry ... do you see any error in my logs ?
[20:41] <PasNox> i would like to avoid the use of java, but i know no goog git gui comparable to smartgit for linux :(
[20:41] <Daskreech> You can use IcedTead java unless you have a package that absolutely requires "sun" Java
[20:41] <PasNox> any hint ?
[20:42] <Daskreech> I've only ever found one of those
[20:42] <Daskreech> PasNox: Dolphin? :)
[20:42] <PasNox> it require oracle java
[20:42] <PasNox> there is a big warning saying incompatibilities
[20:42] <Daskreech> well jump to www.java.com and grab it then
[20:42] <PasNox> Daskreech: no, dolphin plugin is very bad
[20:42] <Daskreech> PasNox: it was joke
[20:42] <PasNox> can't diff, can pull / update .. can do near to nothing compared to the hg one xD
[20:43] <Daskreech> It's the first outing for the Dolphin plugin I'd be pretty surprised if it was a killer use out of the gate over a dedicated git program
[20:43] <PasNox> the hg plugin for dolphin is very good, svn one too.
[20:43] <Daskreech> I know. My boss is quite pleased, He doesn't like gitvery much
[20:43] <Daskreech> loves hg though
[20:43] <PasNox> hehe
[20:44] <PasNox> so let download java
[20:44] <PasNox> does i need to uinstall java packages installed ?
[20:44] <Torch> kmmndr: this is the output you get when you run plasma-desktop from a shell?
[20:45] <kmmndr> Torch: yes, from a konsole
[20:45] <Torch> kmmndr: your akonadi is very broken, btw
[20:45] <Daskreech> kmmndr: can you runn krunner?
[20:45] <Torch> kmmndr: i can't imagine we now let plasma depend on akonadi, but you'll need to fix that one too
[20:45] <Daskreech>  then type akonadi and pull up the configuration
[20:45] <kmmndr> Torch: could I remove akonadi ?
[20:45] <PasNox> hm http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/index.html
[20:45] <PasNox> i don't see the jre download ? i don't want to sdk :/
[20:45] <Daskreech> Torch: plasma itself doesn't but the clock does
[20:46] <Torch> well, that would explain it then
[20:46]  * Daskreech shrugs. Oracle is handling the redistribution now I suppose they have it worked out somehow PasNox
[20:46] <kmmndr> Daskreech: I've krunner running
[20:46] <genii-around> PasNox: https://launchpad.net/~ferramroberto/+archive/java seems to have a current Java version
[20:47] <PasNox> Daskreech: so no other choice than installing the complete sdk ?
[20:47] <Daskreech> It pulls the events from the shared Akonadi calendar. Anytime you accept invites or make todo notes etc they turn up in the Calendar for the clock
[20:47] <Torch> PasNox: runtime should suffice
[20:47] <PasNox> genii-around: thanks let try
[20:47] <Daskreech> PasNox: No idea it's probably there somewhere but I've never looked for it
[20:47] <PasNox> Torch: but from http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/index.html i can't found the jre / run time
[20:47] <Daskreech> kmmndr: type akonadi into alt+F2 and run the configuration. What's it doing?
[20:50] <Daskreech> kmmndr: look at the server configuration tab and see if it's running
[20:50] <kmmndr> Daskreech: akonadi service is not running
[20:50] <Torch> judging from the log, it cannot be
[20:50] <Torch> it cannot even init its DB
[20:50] <Daskreech> Torch: didn't look like it. but wanted to see what the errors for it were
[20:50] <Daskreech> kmmndr: can You try start it and see what it says?
[20:51] <Torch> we used to have an akonadi troubleshooting page somewhere on *.kde.org that dealt with problems like this
[20:51] <Torch> http://userbase.kde.org/Akonadi_4.4/Troubleshooting
[20:52] <Torch> looks outdated
[20:54]  * Daskreech puts that on the CodeIN List
[20:54] <Torch> Daskreech: what list is that?
[20:55] <kmmndr> Daskreech: the first error listed is : "Akonadi not logged into d-bus" (something like that)
[20:56] <Daskreech> I saw the dbus errors
[20:56] <Daskreech> kmmndr: can you type qdbus and tell me if you get a listing of services?
[20:56] <Daskreech> Torch: http://blog.lydiapintscher.de/2011/10/17/i-need-your-ideas-for-google-code-in/
[20:57] <Torch> Daskreech: ah, i remember
[20:57] <kmmndr> Daskreech: http://pastebin.com/641qscms
[20:58] <Daskreech> kmmndr: A yes would have been sufficient :)
[20:59] <kmmndr> Daskreech: oh sorry, there was many of them
[20:59] <kmmndr> :-)
[20:59] <Daskreech> and there are Akonadi services there so that should be ok. What's next on the complaint list for Akonadi?
[20:59]  * Daskreech thinks that the DB will probably be the killer error
[21:00] <kmmndr> Daskreech: it says that there are "no ressource agent available"
[21:00] <kmmndr> Daskreech: I told akonadi to use its internal mysql db
[21:00] <Daskreech> Right
[21:01] <Daskreech> kmmndr: did you have a lot of mail or calendars ?
[21:01] <kmmndr> Daskreech: I doesn't use kmail, nor any of the other stuff handled by akonadi
[21:02] <Daskreech> kmmndr: cool :)
[21:02] <Daskreech> and the server is stopped?
[21:02] <Torch> Daskreech: it cannot init the DB, i guess... that was totally common around 4.4. times
[21:02]  * Daskreech can't remember pain that far back
[21:03]  * Torch had that, too.
[21:03] <Torch> didn't help that ubuntu had something foobared with apparmor and mysql
[21:03] <kmmndr> Daskreech: don't you have kde4.4 ?
[21:03] <Daskreech> kmmndr: you can probably mv ~/.local/share/akonadi ~/.local/share/boooakonadibooo
[21:04]  * Daskreech has KDE 4.7.x
[21:04] <Daskreech> kmmndr: then try start it again
[21:06] <kmmndr> Daskreech: still the same error from akonadi
[21:06] <Daskreech> no resource agent?
[21:06] <kmmndr> exactly
[21:06]  * Daskreech forgets what causes that
[21:07] <Daskreech> What's in the akonadi resources configuration ?
[21:07] <Daskreech> You can start that from alt+f2
[21:08] <kmmndr> Daskreech: akonadi internal mysql db + /usr/sbin/mysqld-akonadi as mysql command
[21:09] <Torch> the mysql log might prove interesing
[21:09] <Daskreech> Hmm there is the akonadi console
[21:09] <Daskreech> that's more a dev tool though. If you are on KDE 4.4 I don't want to guess at what's been changed
[21:10] <Daskreech> that should be able to solve the issue pretty quick
[21:10] <kmmndr> I'm on 4.7 too
[21:10] <Torch> wait, what, kde 4.4? really? then plasma cannot depend on akonadi
[21:10] <Torch> thought so
[21:10] <Daskreech> actually if you jump into #akonadi this might have been solved already >_>
[21:11] <kmmndr> Daskreech: thank you very much for all your help anyway :-)
[21:11] <rumen> hello
[21:11] <Daskreech> kmmndr: ok quick question
[21:11] <Daskreech>  open akonadi console. It will tell you that it's not a user tool
[21:11] <Daskreech> There should be a resources or a agents' tab
[21:11] <rumen> i need help for kimagemapeditor. i am runnung ubuntu 11.10
[21:12] <Daskreech> See if anything there is broken
[21:12] <Daskreech> !info kimagemapeditor
[21:12] <Daskreech> hmm never heard of that before :)
[21:13] <rumen> is there  any tutorial for kimagemapeditor
[21:13] <rumen> i could not google it
[21:16] <Daskreech> rumen: f1 has nothing?
[21:20] <Daskreech> rumen: what are you looking for?
[21:21] <rumen> tutorial fo kimagemapeditor
[21:21] <rumen> tutorial for kimagemapeditor
[21:22] <jamil_1> why does kubuntu come with rekonq and not something decent ?
[21:23] <Daskreech> jamil_1: depends on what you consider decent
[21:24] <jamil_1> Daskreech: something that doesn't crash too often and reasonable response time
[21:24] <BarkingFish> jamil_1, it's purely a default browser, you're free to change it if you wish.
[21:24] <jamil_1> why dont they ship chromium by default
[21:25] <Daskreech> jamil_1: well few people trust chromium, I'm not particularly sure what it's distribution rights are and it's not a KDE browser
[21:25] <jamil_1> Daskreech: ok, but we firefox ?
[21:26] <Daskreech> it has a firefox installer on the startmenu
[21:26] <Oedipe> Keybord dead keys in Kubuntu - How to make permanent a setting done with "setkbmap ? Thanks !
[21:26] <Daskreech> rumen: I don't see one. what are you trying to figure out?
[21:27] <Daskreech> rumen: you might ask in #kde though it's more likely that someone from the KDE Web realm is there
[21:27] <Daskreech> !autostart | Oedipe
[21:27] <rumen> how to make an image like imagemap for web
[21:27] <jamil_1> Daskreech: but then again, shouldn't showcase best possible option as default ?
[21:28] <Oedipe> ubottu: Thanks !
[21:30] <bobweaver> hi there is there anything that you can see that is wrong with this ?
[21:30] <bobweaver> konsole -e 'bash -lc "sleep 1;6tunnel -h;bash;"'
[21:30] <bobweaver> it is not working for launcher
[21:31] <bobweaver> I have a welcome screen in bashrc that is way there is the sleep command
[21:31] <Daskreech> jamil_1: that would be rekonq given the current options :)
[21:32] <jamil_1> Daskreech: mayby I am just trolling becasue I am tired of looking at installation bar moving so slowly.
[21:32] <jamil_1> :)
[21:33] <jamil_1> kubuntu devs I would hope would have some valid reason for going with rekonq
[21:33] <Daskreech> jamil_1: well rekonq is a good KDE browser
[21:33] <Daskreech> May not be the best one ever but given the constraints it's a good choice
[21:34] <jamil_1> Daskreech: my experience has been very bad
[21:34] <jamil_1> its slow and buggy
[21:34] <Daskreech> jamil_1: please report bugs if you are interested in seeing it get better. If not click on the firefox icon in the startmenu and continue doing as you were before
[21:35] <jamil_1> Daskreech: to be honest I am not interested in getting it better, I am interest in getting it replaced :P
[21:35] <Daskreech> jamil_1: find a better KDE browser :)
[21:36] <jamil_1> Daskreech: FIREFOX as default
[21:36] <jamil_1> Daskreech: but perhaps FF has not qt dependencies
[21:37] <Daskreech> jamil_1: it's about 60 MB of depends. What do you want to remove from the CD to make space for it?
[21:37] <jamil_1> Daskreech: Dragon player :)
[21:37] <Daskreech> it's closer to 80 but lets be conservative :)
[21:37] <Daskreech> jamil_1: ok so they can't play movies so I guess the codecs can go as well
[21:38] <Daskreech> that's about 30 MB
[21:38] <Daskreech> what else should go?
[21:38] <jamil_1> Daskreech: whats size of rekonq itself ?
[21:39] <Daskreech> 1.7 MB
[21:39] <jamil_1> oops
[21:40] <Daskreech> I suppose people might not need to talk to anyone either
[21:40] <Daskreech> could get rid of kopete
[21:40] <Daskreech> and konversation
[21:40] <mauri_> kaffeine sometimes work with dvbt ...sometimes not.... i need help please. kubuntu is 11.10
[21:41] <Daskreech> Well Quassel
[21:41] <jamil_1> Daskreech: okay I havn't come to realise the utility of Akonadi and nepomuk so throw them out as well
[21:41] <Daskreech> ok so no clocks either
[21:41] <jamil_1> Daskreech: so some usefull stuff depends on some apparenly useless stuff
[21:42] <jamil_1> ;)
[21:42] <Daskreech> :-)
[21:42] <Daskreech> on the upside you would have firefox
[21:43] <phiscibe> man these current relesae are amess
[21:43] <phiscibe> its as bad as ive seen it in a long time, across multipple distros
[21:44]  * Daskreech shrugs. Lots of new stuff is happening
[21:44] <jamil_1> Is there a way I could know that if the kubuntu installation has got stuck or not ?
[21:44] <Daskreech> No one ever wants to test things so you get sniping back and forth
[21:44] <jmichaelx> * shrugs. It's obviously the year of the Linux desktop...
[21:44] <jamil_1> LOK
[21:44]  * jmichaelx shrugs. It's obviously the year of the Linux desktop...
[21:44] <jamil_1> LOL
[21:44] <jmichaelx> :-D
[21:44] <Daskreech> jamil_1: if 20 minutes have gone by and it's not finished I'd say it's stuck
[21:45] <mauri_> ce qualceh anima pia che mi aiuta con kaffeine e il dvbt. I ned support
[21:45] <jamil_1> Daskreech: no other way ? some log ?
[21:46] <Daskreech> mauri_: what's the issue?
[21:46] <jamil_1> I have these lines in syslog
[21:46] <jamil_1> Oct 18 02:19:47 ubuntu ubiquity: WARNING:root:modinfo for module nvidia_current_updates failed: ERROR: modinfo: could not find module nvidia_current_updates
[21:47] <phiscibe> behaviour ive seen is lots of IO requests from everything, jbd2 that handles ext4 journaling can peg inputoutput, a udev problem and peg cpu, spin your cd drives, contiualy read write usb drives
[21:47] <mauri_> Daskreech: I've installed kubuntu 11.10. Kaffeine find dvbt pen drive, finds channel but when i click on one of these,  no video appears, back screen.
[21:47] <phiscibe> security is a mess, polkit is bustd
[21:48] <mauri_> Daskreech: sametimes it dont find the channel... i dont understnnd why.....
[21:48] <phiscibe> flash video can if u let it run eat all ram and segfault
[21:48] <darthanubis> anyone use museekd?
[21:49] <Daskreech> mauri_: hmm not sure
[21:50] <phiscibe> half the start up scripts are wrong becuase init.d isnt used for alot anymore, upstart jobs are
[21:50] <Daskreech> mauri_: can you ask in #kaffiene ?
[21:50] <mauri_> Daskreech: yes nobody answered
[21:50] <jamil_1> PPL my installation is stuck at 90%. what should I do ?
[21:50] <Daskreech> mauri_: hrrm
[21:50] <Daskreech> jamil_1: from the live CD?
[21:51] <jamil_1> Daskreech: from usb
[21:51] <MariusKarthaus> Hi, since upgrading to oneiric, kde crashes from time to time when I open dolphin. I get a message from X saying that ksmserver could not be started and that I need to check my installation and I have to log in again and all work is lost. Any ideas?
[21:51] <phiscibe> i got 6 nepomuksservices running
[21:51] <jamil_1> owesome
[21:51] <phiscibe> yeah linux broken world wide
[21:51] <phiscibe> serioulsy
[21:51] <jamil_1> I can understand it
[21:52] <jamil_1> I've suffered myself very much
[21:52] <phiscibe> i got 4 dbus-deamon running as three diffrent users
[21:52] <jamil_1> nice ;)
[21:52] <Daskreech> MariusKarthaus: kcmshell4 kcmsmserver
[21:52] <Daskreech> why three users?
[21:52] <phiscibe> processes are turning to zombies
[21:53] <phiscibe> cause they busted the whole kit an kaboodle someplace
[21:53] <jamil_1> 90%
[21:53] <kubuntu> hello
[21:53] <kubuntu> i need some help
[21:54] <phiscibe>  i have two running under my user acount, 1 as root and one as user=messagebus
[21:54] <MariusKarthaus> Daskreech: I get the session manager ? what about it?
[21:54] <kubuntu> how do i add an event without a file?
[21:54] <phiscibe> and three dbus-lunchs
[21:54] <nadim> Same here problems with dbusd all the time
[21:54] <kubuntu> or how can i create an event file?
[21:54] <Daskreech> kubuntu: run korganizer
[21:54] <kubuntu> i did
[21:54] <phiscibe> its seriously borked, every where, gentoo arch anything with gnome or kde
[21:54] <phiscibe> and them some
[21:54] <Daskreech> MariusKarthaus: is it running>?
[21:54] <nadim> last yeak, kde4d is taking a core all the time. nothing helps
[21:55] <kubuntu> but everytime i want to add an event
[21:55] <kubuntu> it asks for a file
[21:55] <kubuntu> i dont know how to create..
[21:55] <kubuntu> can u help me please?
[21:55] <phiscibe> i can find a way to fix some of the bugs, but its they are to systemic
[21:56] <MariusKarthaus> Daskreech: I'm not sure what you want. But when I give the command you gave me I get a popup with the session manager where I can choose the shutdown and startup options (like if I want to start with an empty session etc)
[21:56] <jamil_1> yay! installation finished!!!!
[21:56] <jamil_1> rebooting
[21:56] <Daskreech> MariusKarthaus: right. Hmm ok press Ctrl+Esc and tell me if ksmserver is runing
[21:56] <kubuntu> anyone?
[21:56] <Daskreech> jamil_1: Whoot
[21:56] <phiscibe> ryslogd is broke cant open pipe
[21:57] <Daskreech> !patience | kubuntu
[21:57] <phiscibe> pulseaudio locks
[21:57] <Daskreech> kubuntu: on Korganizer you click on a day and click new event. Fill in the information
[21:58] <kubuntu> that i did, the thing is that i dont have any calendars in the calendar tab
[21:58] <phiscibe> bus-daemon	[system] Rejected send message, 7 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.28" (uid=1000 pid=2378 comm="/usr/bin/plasma-desktop ") interface="org.freedesktop.NetworkManager" member="Sleep" error
[21:58] <jamil_1> Daskreech: Installation has finished. You can continue testing Kubuntu now, but until you restart the computer, any changes you make or documents you save will not be preserved.
[21:58] <jamil_1> brb
[21:58] <Daskreech> kubuntu: So make one.
[21:58] <Daskreech> it will handle the file creation for you
[21:58] <phiscibe> that mucks with network manger
[21:59] <phiscibe> and they are all reported bugs
[21:59] <phiscibe> 100's of geeks aournd the world scrathin their head
[21:59] <phiscibe> the flash bug has 3009 bug reports at last look
[21:59] <kubuntu> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[21:59] <phiscibe> just in ubuntu family
[21:59] <kubuntu> thats it
[22:00] <MariusKarthaus> Daskreech: I have no process called kCmsmserver (note the C) but i do have a ksmserver
[22:00] <kubuntu> the thing was that i must add the /user/ dir before writing the filename
[22:00] <kubuntu> thanks anyway!!
[22:00] <Daskreech> MariusKarthaus: correct
[22:00] <Daskreech>  kcm is the controlpanel ksmserver is the actual session management server
[22:01] <Daskreech> kubuntu: :)
[22:01] <Daskreech> ok
[22:01] <kubuntu> i have one more
[22:01] <kubuntu> where can i find kcontol?
[22:01] <kubuntu> kcontrol
[22:03] <phiscibe> QInotifyFileSystemWatcherEngine::addPaths: inotify_add_watch failed: --- that one is every  where
[22:03] <phiscibe> cause ibus wants a folder
[22:05] <MariusKarthaus> Daskreech: so apart from checking if it is running. Any ideas as to why my session is sometimes instantly killed when I open dolphin?
[22:05] <Daskreech> kubuntu: systemsettings ?
[22:05] <kubuntu> yes but from Konsole?
[22:05] <Daskreech> MariusKarthaus: Oh umm open dolphin and look to see if that really kills ksmsserver
[22:06] <jamil_1> ppl, I think I am the chosen one
[22:06] <kubuntu> ah its the same..
[22:06] <kubuntu> silly me
[22:06] <kubuntu> thanks!
[22:06] <jamil_1> there hasn't been a glitch in my 5 minute usage my shiny new kubuntu installation !
[22:07] <jamil_1> *of
[22:09] <phiscibe> jamil_1: iwas gonna say sumpit, but i dont wanna jinx ya
[22:09] <jamil_1> hehe
[22:09] <MariusKarthaus> Daskreech: two problems. the first being that I can open dolphin a hundred times without a problem. But it happend 3 times today already, each time when i used the 'quick acces browser' on my taskbar to point to a folder in dolphin and poof. Second problem is that as soon as it happen all of KDE is gone, and the whole thing restarts to the login screen. So it is really hard to reproduce and even if I do, very hard to actually see
[22:09] <MariusKarthaus>  why
[22:10] <jamil_1> my sound is working OUT OF THE BOX, it picked my video driver automatically
[22:15] <phiscibe> MariusKarthaus:  look in the system log or start dolphin from terminal so you can get an error message, open sysmte monitor (ctrl+esc) and see if all those dolphins every closed are are still running
[22:16] <jamil_1> my first crash :(
[22:17] <Daskreech> MariusKarthaus: check in ~/.xsession-errors
[22:18] <jmichaelx> rekonq seems to be really crashy
[22:19] <MariusKarthaus> Daskreech: I see a lot of these Soprano: "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown - The name org.kde.nepomuk.services.nepomukstorage was not provided by any .service files"
[22:20] <MariusKarthaus> Daskreech:  and I have some of these X Error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter) 3
[22:20] <Daskreech> Yeah I seem to get those all the time
[22:22] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: what version is it?
[22:22] <Daskreech> MariusKarthaus: those are the EE errors?
[22:22] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: 0.7.90
[22:22] <Daskreech> Ah version 8
[22:22] <Daskreech> Haven't tried that one yet
[22:23] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: it works, but for me, on this machine, if it is left open and unused for a minute or two, it is then unresponsive and needs to be killed
[22:24] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: Oh that's ... actually how I prefer my web browsers but ultimately that's annoying
[22:25] <jmichaelx> i guess it could be viewed as a feature... if that the behavior one desires
[22:26] <MariusKarthaus> Daskreech: EE errors?
[22:26] <Daskreech> MariusKarthaus: if you search for EE it should give you the errors. That's how they are marked in that file
[22:27] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: Browsers are the new antivirus for me
[22:27] <wooter> whats a nice font for xchat
[22:27] <MariusKarthaus> cat ~/.xsession-errors |grep EE |wc -l -> 0
[22:28] <MariusKarthaus> no 'EE' errors in /var/log either
[22:29] <Daskreech> MariusKarthaus: you can jsut grep -c  EE ~/.xsession-errors :)
[22:34] <MariusKarthaus> Daskreech: yea I know, but that still does not get me any EE errors :P
[22:34] <Daskreech> :-)
[22:34] <Daskreech> ok
[22:35] <Daskreech> oh wait >_>
[22:35] <Daskreech> the ksmserver is closing that would kill kdeinit which would stop kdm
[22:35] <Daskreech> so of course you logout
[22:36] <nadim> Hi, I get a popup tellingm me that an ubdate for Oneiric is available. What is it and did anyone have problems with it?
[22:40] <Daskreech> nadim: It's the new version of Kubuntu. The updated set of programs
[22:40] <MariusKarthaus> Daskreech:  but a hard kill of ksmserver (i just tried it) does not give me the same result. killing ksmserver just drops me out of kde into the login again. But what I'm getting is a message from X (in ugly X style) that it could not *start* ksm server. even tough i was logged in and KSM server must have been running at that time
[22:40] <Daskreech> nadim: Some problems but if you like you can wait a month or so for most of the issues to be resolved and then update
[22:41] <Daskreech> MariusKarthaus: oh. sorry misunderstood
[22:42] <Daskreech> Hmm not sure what X is looking for then. KDM should spawn Kdeinit which runs start_kde and all the rest of it. Why would X care at that point?
[22:43] <Daskreech> Unless it's not X :-/
[22:43] <Daskreech> but some early KDE check
[22:44] <MariusKarthaus> Daskreech: here is what happens: 1) I'm happily working in KDE.    2)I open dolphin from the taskbar 'quick access browser' (the folder-browse-popup menu thing)   3) I get kicked back to ugly X with a single window that says "could not start ksmserver. check your installation" 4) i click OK..   5) kde restarts with login prompt
[22:46] <MariusKarthaus> Daskreech: I forgot two steps: 3.5) yell words that can not be aired on TV and feel bloodpresure rising      and step 6) cry
[22:47] <Daskreech> kry ?
[22:48] <MariusKarthaus> Daskreech: crying.. it's this thing humans do when we are sad... for instance after a computer crash just caused you to loose the last two hours of brilliant work
[22:48] <Daskreech> MariusKarthaus: I'm going to say ... ask in #plasma ?
[22:50] <Daskreech> Does anyone know how to restart pulseaudio ?
[22:50] <Daskreech>  I think it locked my soundcard
[22:52] <MariusKarthaus> Daskreech: yea I think i'm just going to get some more info on what is happening tomorrow. I kinda hoped this was a know thing with oneiric. thank you
[22:53] <Daskreech> MariusKarthaus: I've seen stuff like that before but not invoked from a user action so not sure what's kicking it in. If it's from a particular plasmoid that should probably be looked at (and traced)
[22:55] <MariusKarthaus> I'll let you know once I know more / have a way to reproduce. Cannot spend too much time on it though. Maybe I'll just do a clean reinstall and hope that it does not exist after that
[23:06] <shane2peru> ok, upgrade went smoothly so far.  continuing all the updates now, I opted not to do that during the upgrade process.  Is there something better than quassel for irc??  I always used pidgin, but since it was removed, I decided to try out quassel
[23:08] <OpenSuseGuest87> how is kubuntu compaired to ubuntu, the unity thing keeps giving me issues, but is kubuntu just as easy to use as ubuntu?
[23:09] <shane2peru> OpenSuseGuest87: it is very decent, it takes a little getting used to, but I actually am liking it a lot
[23:09] <shane2peru> OpenSuseGuest87: take your time to learn it though, it isn't the same as Gnome.
[23:09] <shane2peru> OpenSuseGuest87: I too jumped ship from the unity stuff.
[23:09] <shane2peru> brb
[23:12] <OpenSuseGuest87> i tried Arch and loved it but i want something where i can install stuff without reading pages in manuals, i installed ubuntu didn't like unity too many buggs, i installed opensuse 11.4 but its to outdated, I'm sitting here wondering is there any distro out there that is easy to use, up to date, and supports hardware with ease
[23:13] <Daskreech> OpenSuseGuest87: it's less streamlined but more flexible
[23:13] <Daskreech> If that makes sense
[23:14] <OpenSuseGuest87> does kubuntu have the same repos as ubuntu?
[23:14] <Daskreech> OpenSuseGuest87: Yes
[23:14] <OpenSuseGuest87> can i install pithos on kubuntu
[23:15] <well_laid_lawn> !find pithos
[23:15] <Daskreech> !info pithos
[23:15] <Daskreech> Then yes you can
[23:15] <OpenSuseGuest87> its for gnome i didn't know if kde would go ewww no
[23:16] <Unit193> Pianobar is also great for pandora, not sure if someone already said that
[23:16] <Daskreech> OpenSuseGuest87: ha ha not anymore those years are far gone
[23:16] <Daskreech> I can't remember if amarok has pandora as a plugin
[23:16] <Daskreech> Might
[23:17] <OpenSuseGuest87> opensuse's version is out of date and they like ping so and so to update it.  The only thing i like about opensuse is YAST i will miss that the most
[23:17] <OpenSuseGuest87> they need to make a ubuntu based system with yast in it LOL
[23:19] <Daskreech> :)
[23:20] <eyal> How do I move stuff on my kde panel like I used to be able to do long ago?
[23:21] <Daskreech> eyal: drag --->drop
[23:21] <eyal> Daskreech: I have a digital clock in my systray with too big a font and its truncated, I can't seem to move the stuff on its left away from it to avoid truncation.. nor is drag & drop of systray doing anything
[23:22] <phiscibe> jamil_1:  u still have running system>
[23:22] <phiscibe> ?
[23:22] <jamil_1> phiscibe: yup
[23:23] <jamil_1> phiscibe: no crash yet :)
[23:23] <OpenSuseGuest87> brb thowing away opensuse and installing kubuntu :D
[23:23] <jamil_1> except one
[23:23] <Peaker> Changing the font size of the digital clock seems very restricted or even impossible -- can only select from free-text combo box of fonts? what gives?
[23:23] <Daskreech> Peaker: you clicked on the cashew on the panel? that puts it in edit mode
[23:23] <shane2peru> ok, back, is there a better IRC GUI client for kde?  Using Quassel, and it is ok, but I like the highlighting and colors of pidgin
[23:23] <phiscibe> what is system monitor's excecutablre name>
[23:24] <Torch> phiscibe: ksysguard?
[23:24] <Peaker> Daskreech: ah, that's what I was missing -- though it doesn't help with my digital clock truncation - it seems the clock is just buggy and doesn't compute its size correctly, and I don't see how I change its font size :(
[23:24] <shane2peru> every time I upgrade/re-install I generally re-question the apps I'm using, and look for kde-centric stuff
[23:25] <Torch> shane2peru: konversation?
[23:25] <Daskreech> Peaker: could jsut try removing it and readding
[23:25] <Peaker> What package manager is recommended for Kubuntu? synaptic is out of place, muon seems broken (doesn't do its own sudo properly)
[23:25] <Daskreech>  should reflow the panel
[23:25] <phiscibe> htnx
[23:25] <phiscibe> thanks
[23:25] <shane2peru> Torch: ohh, konversation, I forgot about that one, I may have to check that out.  Quassel has just never been to my liking
[23:26] <Daskreech> Quassel is cool if you are heavy into IRC
[23:26] <Torch> shane2peru: i've used konverstaion for years and love it
[23:26] <Peaker> Daskreech: thanks, that improved it and it's now only slightly truncated
[23:26] <Torch> shane2peru: though the quassel dev is buddy of mine ;-)
[23:26] <phiscibe> man i launch  kysguard with sudo and the termial crash
[23:26] <shane2peru> I'm a pretty casual irc guy
[23:26] <Daskreech> Peaker: you can probably shorten teh task manager or something to get it
[23:27] <Daskreech> phiscibe: why do you need sudo ?
[23:27] <shane2peru> I haven't used konversation in years, I thought for some reason it wasn't kde4? or something?  somewhere along the lines it didn't install or something
[23:27] <Torch> shane2peru: all wrong ;-)
[23:27] <Torch> shane2peru: it's kde4 and it's great
[23:28] <shane2peru> well, I mean before, sometime when I tried it something did't work, or maybe it was just replaced as default in kde.
[23:28] <Daskreech> It's never a default in KDE it chooses to remain out of the default package mix
[23:28] <Torch> shane2peru: konveerstaion is _the_ kde irc client
[23:28] <Torch> shane2peru: kubuntu made a different choice for weird reasons
[23:28] <Daskreech> It's still the default in the hearts of most people :)
[23:29] <Daskreech> Torch: Konversation wasn't ready when they were shipping. Quassel was close but had a lot of problems
[23:29] <Torch> Daskreech: quassel was qt-only at the time
[23:29] <shane2peru> ok, I do remember distinctly liking konversation years ago.
[23:29] <Torch> Daskreech: and they shipped k3b as kde3 app at the same time
[23:29] <Torch> Daskreech: so that really isn't too much of an argument
[23:29] <Daskreech> The Quassel developer went out of his way to make sure all the issues were fixed before launch. I think the Quassel team earned a spot on the CD
[23:30] <Daskreech> Not much of an issue
[23:30] <Torch> Daskreech: like i said, sput is a buddy of mine
[23:30] <Torch> Daskreech: and he's great and so is quassel
[23:30]  * Torch still prefers konversation.
[23:30] <Daskreech> Yep me too
[23:31] <Peaker> I've used Ubuntu/gnome for so many years now, coming back to KDE will take a lot of getting used to...
[23:31]  * Daskreech would like if konversation could connect to Quassel core >_>
[23:31] <Daskreech> Peaker: hopefully we will be around  to help
[23:31] <Torch> Daskreech: it connects to ZNC and many other bouncers, that's more than enough for me
[23:31] <shane2peru> Peaker: he he, join the club, I'm there with you
[23:31] <Peaker> Seems somewhat better than 11.10's unity crap, though these rough edges are not nice :)
[23:31] <jamil_1> where are the ppa stored by apt ?
[23:31] <jamil_1> repo link
[23:32] <shane2peru> jamil_1: they all get their separate file now.
[23:32] <jamil_1> I just added one but cant find in source.list
[23:32] <jamil_1> shane2peru: where ?
[23:32] <shane2peru> /etc/apt/source.list.d/
[23:32] <Daskreech> jamil_1: check the .d listing in /etc/apt
[23:33] <shane2peru> man, I can't wait for these upgrades to finish so I can get back to my dual screen, this is driving me buggy!
[23:33] <jamil_1> Daskreech: its not even in source.list.d
[23:33] <Daskreech> jamil_1: :-o
[23:33] <jamil_1> Daskreech: apt-get update shows it
[23:34] <shane2peru> quassel doesn't render the :-o like pidgin does, does konversation?
[23:34] <jamil_1> Daskreech: I think I should sleep now
[23:34] <shane2peru> yeah, installing the 125mb of updates :)
[23:34] <jamil_1> Daskreech: file is right there in sources.list.d
[23:35] <Peaker> Google-chrome's fonts seem all weird in KDE.. Smaller/less readable
[23:35] <Daskreech> shane2peru: It can. you can turn on emoticons in konversation I think
[23:35] <Torch> shane2peru: it renders :-o like :-o... that's all it should do IMHO
[23:35] <shane2peru> lol, :)  I like the smileys. JMHO
[23:36] <Torch> shane2peru: what's next? mirc colours?
[23:36] <phiscibe> if you go into desktop effects to advanced and make sure compsiting is set to open gle, enable direct rendering is off and Use Vsync is on it seems to help
[23:36] <shane2peru> when all the updates get done, I have my list of apps to re-install that was removed, and going to include konversation
[23:36] <shane2peru> Torch: mirc colors??  not familiar with that
[23:36] <shane2peru> Torch: is that the colors for the different nicks?
[23:36] <Torch> shane2peru: mirc (windows irc client) knows colour codes.
[23:37] <Torch> shane2peru: no. with those, you can use colurs in your messages
[23:37] <Torch> shane2peru: it's _terrible_
[23:37] <shane2peru> Torch: no, I'm not that into it, just like to see smileys, adds a little character to bland chat
[23:37] <phiscibe> shane2peru: the problem is even the base installs are wacky, its just a bug night mare, somebody needs a good never forget for the rest of their life dessing dwon
[23:37] <jamil_1> Peaker: try this: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/gmpnnplimbnbmdaigmnajmbdcinhpddj#
[23:37] <licensed> hello. i'm trying to install jre.. I type apt-get install openjdk* and when i type java -version says not installed =//
[23:38] <shane2peru> phiscibe: ?  I think you got the wrong nick??
[23:38] <Daskreech> Peaker: Hrrm :-/ hinting perhaps?
[23:38] <phiscibe> colors are good cause its like shouting with out caps
[23:38] <phiscibe> oh yeah lol y
[23:39] <phiscibe> y do u say shane2peru
[23:40] <shane2peru> phiscibe: I didn't understand your post, and seemed relevant to another converstaion
[23:40] <phiscibe> java -version might be for sun
[23:40] <shane2peru> ok, I'm getting some warning about postgreSQL upgrading from 8.4 to 9.1, I don't even think I use postgre??
[23:40] <phiscibe> open might have diffrent name like ojava -a im not sure
[23:40] <Torch> shane2peru: postgres wants its storage converted on upgrade. if you don't use it, disregard the message.
[23:41] <Torch> shane2peru: also, uninstall it.
[23:41] <phiscibe> the kmail2 uses it i think
[23:41] <shane2peru> that is what I was thinking, thanks torch
[23:41] <Torch> phiscibe: akonadi _can_ use it, but it does not per default
[23:41] <phiscibe> and maybe akanoid or what its called
[23:41] <shane2peru> phiscibe, i don't use that either, so not a problem
[23:41] <Torch> kmail2 does not by itself use a database
[23:41] <Torch> i hope ;-)
[23:42] <Peaker> jamil_1: thanks
[23:42] <jamil_1> np
[23:42] <phiscibe> yes akonadi is mysql and it links to all the  kde contact calander mail programs as storage
[23:42] <phiscibe> well yeah not byitself, but in kubuntu it does
[23:42] <Peaker> It's mainly the address bar font that's bad in google chrome -- not the pages themselves
[23:43] <Torch> phiscibe: akonadi IS NOT mysql
[23:43] <shane2peru> I have been getting lazy, and turning to GUI more and more these days, though I still love and appreciate the cli.
[23:43] <phiscibe> it close
[23:44] <phiscibe> /usr/sbin/mysqld-akonadi
[23:44] <Torch> phiscibe: that's a kubuntu thing
[23:44] <phiscibe> that is what we were talking about
[23:44] <phiscibe> kubuntu
[23:44] <Torch> phiscibe: no. akonadi is a KDE project
[23:45]  * shane2peru checks his channel to make sure he didn't accidentally leave the Kuuntu channel
[23:45] <phiscibe> symantics
[23:45] <jamil_1> Peaker: try messing with ~/.font.conf you may get what you need
[23:45] <jamil_1> fonts
[23:45] <phiscibe> peaker in chrome tell it to use the gtk themes and fonts, might help
[23:46] <phiscibe> but chrome doesnt do fonts well, dunno why
[23:46] <Torch> phiscibe: it's not semantics to me (and many others, i guess). i'm a KDE dev, but not a kubuntu dev.
[23:46] <phiscibe> under linux
[23:47] <phiscibe> its important to have a good taxonomy but at some pont if you look at something that walks has feathers and quacks u can call it duck like, im saying its duck like
[23:47] <Torch> phiscibe: KDE is not for kubuntu. it's for any flavour of linux, BSD, MacOS and windows.
[23:48] <shane2peru> Torch: there is KDE for Windows???  never new that.
[23:48] <shane2peru> didn't know it was for MAC either.
[23:49] <Torch> shane2peru: sure
[23:49] <phiscibe> yes but i am trying to limit my scope abit and just deal with kubuntu,  i dont mean to speak heresy  im just upset i got 5 kubuntu installs, carpenters are finishing my office tommorow in am thinking i mahde a big mistake
[23:49] <phiscibe> so my mind is and focus is narrow, looking at leaves and not forest atm soory
[23:50] <Torch> phiscibe: that's fine, but please keep the generalisations to a mininum still ;-)
[23:51] <phiscibe> all this unstable night mare how did it get like this,  policy kits are bussted start up damoens dont use right scripts there is dbus ibus ubus webus getoff thebus chaos
[23:51] <phiscibe> and bulletproof x or what ever they call that crap is laugh at while it salts the wound
[23:51] <phiscibe> at me even
[23:51] <Torch> phiscibe: i know what you mean.
[23:52] <phiscibe> the whole mess is revolving around glib-networking some how
[23:52] <phiscibe> all across the linuxverse
[23:53] <phiscibe> but  some of these bugs have been going on for months,
[23:53] <latinlover> hi i need help kubuntu 11.10 wont boot
[23:54] <phiscibe> latinlover: i realy hate when some one tells me to ready the Friendly manual, but go to the release notes page and read a bit, there is a problem with dbus because the /var /var/run folders are now in new locations , do something about the first, it makes X freeze, networking die, and a dozen other things fail
[23:55] <phiscibe> and look here  http://uksysadmin.wordpress.com/2011/10/14/upgrade-to-ubuntu-11-10-problem-waiting-for-network-configuration-then-black-screen-solution/
[23:55] <Torch> phiscibe: sounds like a typical early (k)ubuntu problem
[23:55] <phiscibe> look and see if your default session got set to failsafe too, start another one
[23:55] <Torch> phiscibe: been like that since i switches to kubuntu
[23:56] <Torch> phiscibe: don't use the new version until it's been out a few weeks.
[23:56] <latinlover> yeha but i olso have a disc image and is ton boot in eather
[23:56] <phiscibe> its not kubuntu, its not kde its note gnome
[23:56] <phiscibe> its LINUX same bugs across distros,
[23:56] <Torch> phiscibe: at least there is no better alternative than kubuntu that i know of.
[23:56] <phiscibe> the build and testing how they mask build and block them is fouled up
[23:57] <phiscibe> ill keep my mouth shut on that torch...they might burn the heritic
[23:57] <Torch> phiscibe: the processes are suboptiimal, there's too many releases too quickly and there's not enough money involved.
[23:58] <phiscibe> i agree
[23:58] <phiscibe> but i dont thik it will ever stop
[23:58] <phiscibe> feature creep is especialy a driving factor in the linux world the need propels them
[23:59] <phiscibe> one thing is X has a monopoly, at least with gnome and kde and the others there is some amount of competion, cooperative compmetion but its there