| xannen | Hi Guys | 05:56 |
|---|---|---|
| gggs | hi xannen | 06:01 |
| xannen | How's things? | 06:02 |
| robb__ | how we all finding 11.10? | 08:20 |
| robb__ | i broke unity 4 times | 08:22 |
| sagaci | fine for me | 08:31 |
| xannen | hey robb | 08:31 |
| xannen | unity broke on me too. and so is skype voice chat. brb | 08:31 |
| robb__ | i installed xfce and kde and after that it broke | 08:32 |
| robb__ | i downloaded the compiz manager and it also broke | 08:32 |
| robb__ | and the compiz changes i tried twice both times completely broke unity, had to reinstall | 08:33 |
| xannen | welcome to my world robb <3 | 08:33 |
| robb__ | i now use linux mint | 08:34 |
| robb__ | 11.04 seems more stable | 08:34 |
| xannen | so true! | 08:34 |
| robb__ | and gnome 3 doesn't seem to work well with programs somehow either | 08:34 |
| xannen | switching back to 11.04 seems like a possibility for me. | 08:35 |
| robb__ | i'm surprised thou, ubuntu never released bad stuff before | 08:35 |
| robb__ | 12.04 sounds interesting | 08:35 |
| robb__ | 11.04 is a good option to reconsider | 08:35 |
| xannen | Shuttleworth is rushing it, 'cause he needs to be at chinese space station. :P | 08:35 |
| robb__ | hah | 08:35 |
| robb__ | also programs take longer to load | 08:36 |
| robb__ | in 11.04 it was slower, but 11.10 is slower | 08:36 |
| xannen | Though I want to use more up to date program, like eclipse 3.7, tomcat7, postgresql 9.x | 08:36 |
| xannen | sigh... | 08:36 |
| robb__ | u can install them manually (not as fun) | 08:37 |
| robb__ | OR | 08:37 |
| robb__ | you can use a diff distribution if u dare | 08:37 |
| robb__ | i think i have the latest, including a much nicer evolution mail client | 08:38 |
| xannen | OR QQ and flame in Forum? :D | 08:38 |
| robb__ | well yes | 08:38 |
| robb__ | if ur an avid ubuntu supporter then yes maybe use forums | 08:39 |
| xannen | They need to include more nicer looking desktop themes. They cut back in this release. :( | 08:39 |
| robb__ | no screensaver | 08:39 |
| robb__ | i feel i've lost freedom | 08:39 |
| robb__ | same in GNOME 3 | 08:39 |
| robb__ | what rubbish it is | 08:39 |
| robb__ | i feel like a kid using the GNOME 3 shell | 08:39 |
| xannen | I know... soon enough, it's back to "efficient - comand line - linux" :D | 08:40 |
| xannen | I had to learn apt-get command line to fix some graphics, if not I'd need reinstall. :( | 08:40 |
| xannen | I don't mind command line, but not when I'm a noob and need to rescue my system, such harsh learning curve. :( | 08:41 |
| xannen | they need #ubuntu+1-qq channel. LOL | 08:41 |
| xannen | Initially, I thought the iso image I download was corrupted, or dl too soon. But now, looking at the checksum on site, and checksum I download, it's the same. | 08:43 |
| robb__ | yup | 08:43 |
| robb__ | i tried to have a applet in gnome 3, gee that was painful | 08:44 |
| robb__ | *an | 08:44 |
| robb__ | a simple weather indicator but it doesn't like them | 08:44 |
| xannen | This whole gnome shell vs unity is like: Abbott vs Gillard immigration deal. It's all wrong. Where's the greens? Ah, minty! heheh. | 08:45 |
| robb__ | lol yes | 08:45 |
| robb__ | elementary OS is a unique flavour to the addition | 08:45 |
| robb__ | inbetween mint and ubuntu | 08:46 |
| robb__ | i just find unity not stable in gnome | 08:46 |
| robb__ | it's like sticking gaffa tape on my ford and thinking it will stick hah | 08:46 |
| xannen | What's with the deal of multi arch, skype, etc... it's playing up, especially for voice chat. I get squiggly distorted sound. | 08:47 |
| robb__ | carbon tax!!! | 08:47 |
| robb__ | in 11.10? | 08:48 |
| xannen | I look forward 11.10 for some time, and now it am disappointed! | 08:48 |
| robb__ | im looking forward for the next LTS, but i hoped for a lot more then instability | 08:49 |
| head_victim | I much prefer 11.10 to 11.04 | 08:49 |
| head_victim | And I've already installed 12.04 in a virtualbox. | 08:49 |
| robb__ | distorted sound - now when i looked in sound i noticed by default most audio inputs were set at max | 08:49 |
| robb__ | sure has some benefits, the filters are really impressive | 08:50 |
| robb__ | better intergrated menus ;-) | 08:50 |
| xannen | LTS = long term stuff (up) ? LOL i'm sorry, considering canonical is a linux repackager, and not full on software/os developer. and how unity has turned out on 11.10, i don't feel "safe" with ubuntu. LOL | 08:50 |
| robb__ | just finding many programs aren't working that well in it | 08:50 |
| head_victim | robb__: don't blame the OS for application's not properly working with gnome 3 though | 08:51 |
| head_victim | Every distro is in the same boat with that angle. | 08:51 |
| robb__ | is it gnome 3 that is the issue? | 08:51 |
| head_victim | In most cases, yes. | 08:51 |
| head_victim | 11.10 is the first Ubuntu release to be fully gnome 3. | 08:51 |
| head_victim | 11.04 was half gnome 2 half gnome 3 | 08:52 |
| robb__ | ah okay... yeah i've moved away from gnome 3 to get stability back | 08:52 |
| robb__ | LTS is long term support | 08:52 |
| head_victim | Hence why it used to be so hard to install gnome-shell in 11.04 | 08:52 |
| head_victim | Now it's an easy apt-get | 08:52 |
| xannen | hehe robb__ i know. i'm just mocking 'cause i'm "not happy jan" :P | 08:52 |
| robb__ | the aim is to built an OS that is stable, rock solid performance - they might use an older kernal that is tested and bugs fixed | 08:52 |
| robb__ | LTS | 08:52 |
| head_victim | xannen: it's fine to stick your head in the sand but what do you do when all the other distro's catch up and don't ship gnome 2 either? | 08:53 |
| robb__ | im in tassie, we have a lot not be happy about! | 08:53 |
| robb__ | well! | 08:53 |
| xannen | head_victim, MS Windows? :P | 08:53 |
| robb__ | use debain! | 08:53 |
| head_victim | xannen: be my guest | 08:53 |
| robb__ | as i said, i'm using linux mint, they do a debain version too and i think this version (11) is gnome 2 | 08:54 |
| robb__ | but yes, gnome 3 hmm | 08:54 |
| robb__ | the user interface is nasty | 08:54 |
| head_victim | robb__: Horses for courses :) My desktop is still 10.04, I practice with newer ones in virtual machines. 11.10 is making me want to upgrade my desktop actually. | 08:54 |
| robb__ | 10.04 hey, i'm still thinking of using that again | 08:55 |
| xannen | head_victim, do you use skype? if you do, how do you use voice chat? I'm having mic issues. And yes, driver is installed, etc... And appear to be registering, just not properly. | 08:55 |
| robb__ | alsa mixer helped? | 08:55 |
| head_victim | I used skype years ago but haven't bothered in a long time. It's just not worth the bother (I gave up long before I found a version that worked half decent) | 08:56 |
| xannen | in 11.04, i used pulseaudio, and it was fine. but now, my voice is this squiggly sound. LOL | 08:56 |
| head_victim | I don't really have a need to call anyone outside Australia so there's no benefit to being tied to the computer for a phone call when I can use my mobile. | 08:56 |
| robb__ | i do like gnome 3 in some respects e.g. newer buttons, the way the drop down menus are, just not the activities menu | 08:57 |
| xannen | nor do i. | 08:57 |
| robb__ | maybe use pulseaudio again? | 08:57 |
| head_victim | robb__: pulseaudio has been the default for many releases now | 08:57 |
| xannen | and gnome 3 classic missing "systems" button. it's all in applications and places. | 08:57 |
| head_victim | xannen: what do you mean by gnome 3 classic? Unity 2d or have you installed gnome-shell? | 08:58 |
| xannen | lol, i love how ABC stuff up their broadcasting. :D | 08:58 |
| xannen | gnome-shell, classic mode. :D | 08:58 |
| head_victim | Ah ok, I've installed it, not booted to it yet. | 08:59 |
| robb__ | the graphics aren't right, diff shades of black | 08:59 |
| xannen | WTB ubuntu "good old days" desktop, with better software updates! <3 | 08:59 |
| robb__ | classic mode is nice but the ambivalence theme isn't working | 09:00 |
| robb__ | it does exist called debian | 09:00 |
| robb__ | aka conservative party distribution | 09:00 |
| xannen | LOL is it linked to Abbott liberal party? :P | 09:01 |
| robb__ | the good old days are 10.04 or 10.10 or 11.04 classic | 09:01 |
| robb__ | no, debian never crashes | 09:01 |
| robb__ | abbott wants to use blood | 09:01 |
| robb__ | and rid the carbon tax | 09:01 |
| xannen | omg... my graphics is laggin again! | 09:01 |
| xannen | every now and then it just lags. | 09:01 |
| head_victim | robb__: Debian has multiple options, from stable to bleeding edge | 09:02 |
| robb__ | all the time it lags! | 09:02 |
| robb__ | very customisable yup ;-) | 09:02 |
| xannen | bleeding edge, i think right now, abbott likes the sound of that. hehe | 09:02 |
| robb__ | i saw a photo of someone using unity in it haha | 09:02 |
| head_victim | robb__: as with Ubuntu, LTS's are similar to their stable, in between releases similar to testing and Ubuntu development release is bleeding edge | 09:03 |
| robb__ | yes i've learnt that i think, LTS seems a sensible choice | 09:03 |
| head_victim | Depends on what you're doing with the machine. For people who don't want problems I'd suggest upgrading only to LTS's and only after a month or two after release | 09:03 |
| robb__ | i wonder what distro rudd would use? | 09:04 |
| robb__ | i think gillard would use mac | 09:04 |
| head_victim | For those who don't mind the odd small issue that is usually reasonably easy to fix then updating every 6 months is fine. | 09:04 |
| robb__ | in 11.04 they quickly fixed a few issues and i had a good working system | 09:04 |
| robb__ | it was nice ;-) | 09:05 |
| robb__ | same in 10.10 my first ever trial after vista kept dying | 09:05 |
| head_victim | robb__: I'd expect the same on almost all releases. | 09:05 |
| head_victim | Testing something covers a lot of the issues but you'll never get them all until everyone has a try. | 09:06 |
| robb__ | i guess if i waited a few months after a new release then the updates would have fixed most the bugs? | 09:06 |
| head_victim | robb__: pretty much, or at least workarounds would be fairly easy to find onlien | 09:06 |
| robb__ | i guess | 09:06 |
| head_victim | But on that note, I need to head out for a bit. | 09:07 |
| robb__ | i don't like upgrading every 6 mo nths so i guess im a lts freak hah | 09:07 |
| robb__ | night | 09:07 |
| head_victim | robb__: I usually can't be bothered updating that regularly either so I have stuck to LTS's for a while. | 09:07 |
| head_victim | Catch you later on. | 09:07 |
| xannen | see you head_victim <3 | 09:07 |
| robb__ | cheers from tassie! | 09:07 |
| xannen | brb... graphics lag. relogging session. | 09:08 |
| robb__ | oh dear | 09:08 |
| xannen | lol the nz ship leaking oil, looks like LOL | 09:12 |
| robb__ | oh dear | 09:12 |
| robb__ | updated restricted drivers? | 09:13 |
| xannen | the containers on it, is like neatly stacked jangga blocks on tower of pisa angle. that's so lol | 09:13 |
| xannen | and now your comp/OS is f*cked? :D | 09:14 |
| robb__ | libyan ship | 09:14 |
| robb__ | what u mean? | 09:15 |
| xannen | nevermind. lol misunderstood. | 09:15 |
| robb__ | so u sticking with 11.10? | 09:16 |
| robb__ | wait for fixes? | 09:16 |
| xannen | at this stage, since it's less than 1 week from release date. i'll give it time for hot-fix patch. :D | 09:17 |
| xannen | i'm quite disappointed 'cause ubuntu is renown for out-of-box linux desktop. | 09:19 |
| robb__ | yes | 09:20 |
| robb__ | i think gnome 3 is one of the issues to do with it | 09:20 |
| xannen | We need Smurf X. :D | 09:21 |
| robb__ | ? | 09:24 |
| gorilla | smurf? | 09:24 |
| xannen | Sorry, just gnome/smurf fairy tale char mocking. | 09:24 |
| gorilla | oh. desktop theme color. just one shade of blue with white. | 09:26 |
| xannen | flash is making my screen lag. :S no more porn on demand. :( | 09:27 |
| robb__ | flash hey | 09:27 |
| robb__ | using 64 bit? | 09:27 |
| xannen | yep | 09:28 |
| robb__ | the latest flash for 64 bit? | 09:29 |
| xannen | adobe-flashplugin 11.0.1.152-0oneiric1 | 09:29 |
| xannen | brb relogging | 09:37 |
| jaddi27 | head_victim, are you around? | 09:49 |
| robb__ | xanen | 09:51 |
| robb__ | i have a fix for u in 11.10 to stop the lag | 09:51 |
| robb__ | i found it by accident | 09:51 |
| jaddi27 | sagaci, are you running ubuntu oneiric, or lubuntu? | 09:51 |
| sagaci | well all, kubuntu on my laptop, ubuntu on my desktop and lubuntu on a netbook | 09:52 |
| jaddi27 | ok. have you had any issues with nautilus crashing? | 09:52 |
| sagaci | not so far, and the ubuntu machine is running on a P4 2.8Ghz machine | 09:53 |
| jaddi27 | ok. i upgraded my laptop, and it was working, but now it is refusing to boot | 09:54 |
| sagaci | upgrade or clean install | 09:55 |
| jaddi27 | so i will reinstall it all, after moving /home to a new partition | 09:55 |
| jaddi27 | upgrade | 09:55 |
| sagaci | I've never tried to upgrade since around karmic | 09:55 |
| jaddi27 | when it did work, nautilus would crash or not open, so something was not working | 09:55 |
| sagaci | much less hassle to just clean isntall | 09:55 |
| jaddi27 | ok. the upgrade to natty worked fine, so i thought this would as well | 09:55 |
| jaddi27 | but maybe too much had been done to it | 09:56 |
| jaddi27 | do you use a separate home partition? | 09:57 |
| sagaci | righteo, I'll be back later | 09:57 |
| sagaci | no | 09:57 |
| sagaci | just / and swap | 09:58 |
| jaddi27 | you don't have many files? | 09:58 |
| sagaci | not on my laptop | 09:58 |
| jaddi27 | ok | 09:58 |
| sagaci | otherwise I just copy over to my windows partition | 09:58 |
| jaddi27 | yep, makes sense | 09:58 |
| sagaci | or the other drive in my desktop | 09:58 |
| sagaci | bbl | 09:59 |
| xannen | yay for Q&A on ABC loltime! | 10:35 |
| head_victim | jaddi27: here but going away again, feel free to pm or email me. | 11:25 |
| jaddi27 | head_victim, i think i should be alright now. I got my computer working again enough to back up my files, so hopefully my problem will all be resolved now | 11:27 |
| head_victim | No worries, cheerio | 11:31 |
| xannen | Hey all | 12:06 |
| xannen | All sleeping? | 12:18 |
| gorilla | nope. don't sleep much. | 12:22 |
| xannen | hi gorilla <3 | 12:22 |
| gorilla | hi xannen | 12:23 |
| xannen | How are you gorilla? What are you doing now? | 12:30 |
| sagaci | about ~80km/h | 12:36 |
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