[05:56] <xannen> Hi Guys
[06:01] <gggs> hi xannen 
[06:02] <xannen> How's things?
[08:20] <robb__> how we all finding 11.10?
[08:22] <robb__> i broke unity 4 times
[08:31] <sagaci> fine for me
[08:31] <xannen> hey robb
[08:31] <xannen> unity broke on me too.  and so is skype voice chat.  brb
[08:32] <robb__> i installed xfce and kde and after that it broke
[08:32] <robb__> i downloaded the compiz manager and it also broke
[08:33] <robb__> and the compiz changes i tried twice both times completely broke unity, had to reinstall
[08:33] <xannen> welcome to my world robb <3
[08:34] <robb__> i now use linux mint
[08:34] <robb__> 11.04 seems more stable
[08:34] <xannen> so true!
[08:34] <robb__> and gnome 3 doesn't seem to work well with programs somehow either
[08:35] <xannen> switching back to 11.04 seems like a possibility for me.
[08:35] <robb__> i'm surprised thou, ubuntu never released bad stuff before
[08:35] <robb__> 12.04 sounds interesting
[08:35] <robb__> 11.04 is a good option to reconsider
[08:35] <xannen> Shuttleworth is rushing it, 'cause he needs to be at chinese space station.  :P
[08:35] <robb__> hah
[08:36] <robb__> also programs take longer to load
[08:36] <robb__> in 11.04 it was slower, but 11.10 is slower
[08:36] <xannen> Though I want to use more up to date program, like eclipse 3.7, tomcat7, postgresql 9.x
[08:36] <xannen> sigh...
[08:37] <robb__> u can install them manually (not as fun)
[08:37] <robb__> OR
[08:37] <robb__> you can use a diff distribution if u dare
[08:38] <robb__> i think i have the latest, including a much nicer evolution mail client
[08:38] <xannen> OR QQ and flame in Forum?  :D
[08:38] <robb__> well yes
[08:39] <robb__> if ur an avid ubuntu supporter then yes maybe use forums
[08:39] <xannen> They need to include more nicer looking desktop themes.  They cut back in this release. :(
[08:39] <robb__> no screensaver
[08:39] <robb__> i feel i've lost freedom
[08:39] <robb__> same in GNOME 3
[08:39] <robb__> what rubbish it is
[08:39] <robb__> i feel like a kid using the GNOME 3 shell
[08:40] <xannen> I know...  soon enough, it's back to "efficient - comand line - linux"  :D
[08:40] <xannen> I had to learn apt-get command line to fix some graphics, if not I'd need reinstall.  :(
[08:41] <xannen> I don't mind command line, but not when I'm a noob and need to rescue my system, such harsh learning curve. :(
[08:41] <xannen> they need #ubuntu+1-qq channel.  LOL
[08:43] <xannen> Initially, I thought the iso image I download was corrupted, or dl too soon.  But now, looking at the checksum on site, and checksum I download, it's the same.
[08:43] <robb__> yup
[08:44] <robb__> i tried to have a applet in gnome 3, gee that was painful
[08:44] <robb__> *an
[08:44] <robb__> a simple weather indicator but it doesn't like them
[08:45] <xannen> This whole gnome shell vs unity is like: Abbott vs Gillard immigration deal.  It's all wrong.  Where's the greens?  Ah, minty!  heheh.
[08:45] <robb__> lol yes
[08:45] <robb__> elementary OS is a unique flavour to the addition
[08:46] <robb__> inbetween mint and ubuntu
[08:46] <robb__> i just find unity not stable in gnome
[08:46] <robb__> it's like sticking gaffa tape on my ford and thinking it will stick hah
[08:47] <xannen> What's with the deal of multi arch, skype, etc...  it's playing up, especially for voice chat.  I get squiggly distorted sound.
[08:47] <robb__> carbon tax!!!
[08:48] <robb__> in 11.10?
[08:48] <xannen> I look forward 11.10 for some time, and now it am disappointed!
[08:49] <robb__> im looking forward for the next LTS, but i hoped for a lot more then instability
[08:49] <head_victim> I much prefer 11.10 to 11.04
[08:49] <head_victim> And I've already installed 12.04 in a virtualbox.
[08:49] <robb__> distorted sound - now when i looked in sound i noticed by default most audio inputs were set at max
[08:50] <robb__> sure has some benefits, the filters are really impressive 
[08:50] <robb__> better intergrated menus ;-)
[08:50] <xannen>  LTS = long term stuff (up)  ?  LOL  i'm sorry, considering canonical is a linux repackager, and not full on software/os developer.  and how unity has turned out on 11.10, i don't feel "safe" with ubuntu.  LOL
[08:50] <robb__> just finding many programs aren't working that well in it
[08:51] <head_victim> robb__: don't blame the OS for application's not properly working with gnome 3 though
[08:51] <head_victim> Every distro is in the same boat with that angle.
[08:51] <robb__> is it gnome 3 that is the issue?
[08:51] <head_victim> In most cases, yes.
[08:51] <head_victim> 11.10 is the first Ubuntu release to be fully gnome 3.
[08:52] <head_victim> 11.04 was half gnome 2 half gnome 3
[08:52] <robb__> ah okay... yeah i've moved away from gnome 3 to get stability back
[08:52] <robb__> LTS is long term support
[08:52] <head_victim> Hence why it used to be so hard to install gnome-shell in 11.04
[08:52] <head_victim> Now it's an easy apt-get
[08:52] <xannen> hehe robb__ i know.  i'm just mocking 'cause i'm "not happy jan"  :P
[08:52] <robb__> the aim is to built an OS that is stable, rock solid performance - they might use an older kernal that is tested and bugs fixed
[08:52] <robb__> LTS
[08:53] <head_victim> xannen: it's fine to stick your head in the sand but what do you do when all the other distro's catch up and don't ship gnome 2 either?
[08:53] <robb__> im in tassie, we have a lot not be happy about!
[08:53] <robb__> well!
[08:53] <xannen> head_victim, MS Windows?  :P
[08:53] <robb__> use debain! 
[08:53] <head_victim> xannen: be my guest
[08:54] <robb__> as i said, i'm using linux mint, they do a debain version too and i think this version (11) is gnome 2
[08:54] <robb__> but yes, gnome 3 hmm
[08:54] <robb__> the user interface is nasty
[08:54] <head_victim> robb__: Horses for courses :) My desktop is still 10.04, I practice with newer ones in virtual machines. 11.10 is making me want to upgrade my desktop actually.
[08:55] <robb__> 10.04 hey, i'm still thinking of using that again
[08:55] <xannen> head_victim, do you use skype?  if you do, how do you use voice chat?  I'm having mic issues.  And yes, driver is installed, etc...  And appear to be registering, just not properly.
[08:55] <robb__> alsa mixer helped?
[08:56] <head_victim> I used skype years ago but haven't bothered in a long time. It's just not worth the bother (I gave up long before I found a version that worked half decent)
[08:56] <xannen> in 11.04, i used pulseaudio, and it was fine.  but now, my voice is this squiggly sound.  LOL
[08:56] <head_victim> I don't really have a need to call anyone outside Australia so there's no benefit to being tied to the computer for a phone call when I can use my mobile.
[08:57] <robb__> i do like gnome 3 in some respects e.g. newer buttons, the way the drop down menus are, just not the activities menu 
[08:57] <xannen> nor do i.  
[08:57] <robb__> maybe use pulseaudio again?
[08:57] <head_victim> robb__: pulseaudio has been the default for many releases now
[08:57] <xannen> and gnome 3 classic missing "systems" button.  it's all in applications and places.
[08:58] <head_victim> xannen: what do you mean by gnome 3 classic? Unity 2d or have you installed gnome-shell?
[08:58] <xannen> lol, i love how ABC stuff up their broadcasting.  :D
[08:58] <xannen> gnome-shell, classic mode. :D
[08:59] <head_victim> Ah ok, I've installed it, not booted to it yet.
[08:59] <robb__> the graphics aren't right, diff shades of black
[08:59] <xannen> WTB ubuntu "good old days" desktop, with better software updates!  <3
[09:00] <robb__> classic mode is nice but the ambivalence theme isn't working
[09:00] <robb__> it does exist called debian
[09:00] <robb__> aka conservative party distribution
[09:01] <xannen> LOL is it linked to Abbott liberal party?  :P
[09:01] <robb__> the good old days are 10.04 or 10.10 or 11.04 classic
[09:01] <robb__> no, debian  never crashes
[09:01] <robb__> abbott wants to use blood
[09:01] <robb__> and rid the carbon tax
[09:01] <xannen> omg... my graphics is laggin again!
[09:01] <xannen> every now and then it just lags.
[09:02] <head_victim> robb__: Debian has multiple options, from stable to bleeding edge
[09:02] <robb__> all the time it lags!
[09:02] <robb__> very customisable yup ;-) 
[09:02] <xannen> bleeding edge, i think right now, abbott likes the sound of that.  hehe
[09:02] <robb__> i saw a photo of someone using unity in it haha
[09:03] <head_victim> robb__: as with Ubuntu, LTS's are similar to their stable, in between releases similar to testing and Ubuntu development release is bleeding edge
[09:03] <robb__> yes i've learnt that i think, LTS seems a sensible choice
[09:03] <head_victim> Depends on what you're doing with the machine. For people who don't want problems I'd suggest upgrading only to LTS's and only after a month or two after release
[09:04] <robb__> i wonder what distro rudd would use?
[09:04] <robb__> i think gillard would use mac
[09:04] <head_victim> For those who don't mind the odd small issue that is usually reasonably easy to fix then updating every 6 months is fine.
[09:04] <robb__> in 11.04 they quickly fixed a few issues and i had a good working system 
[09:05] <robb__> it was nice ;-)
[09:05] <robb__> same in 10.10 my first ever trial after vista kept dying
[09:05] <head_victim> robb__: I'd expect the same on almost all releases.
[09:06] <head_victim> Testing something covers a lot of the issues but you'll never get them all until everyone has a try.
[09:06] <robb__> i guess if i waited a few months after a new release then the updates would have fixed most the bugs?
[09:06] <head_victim> robb__: pretty much, or at least workarounds would be fairly easy to find onlien
[09:06] <robb__> i guess
[09:07] <head_victim> But on that note, I need to head out for a bit. 
[09:07] <robb__> i don't like upgrading every 6 mo nths so i guess im a lts freak hah
[09:07] <robb__> night
[09:07] <head_victim> robb__: I usually can't be bothered updating that regularly either so I have stuck to LTS's for a while.
[09:07] <head_victim> Catch you later on.
[09:07] <xannen> see you head_victim <3
[09:07] <robb__> cheers from tassie!
[09:08] <xannen> brb...  graphics lag.  relogging session.
[09:08] <robb__> oh dear
[09:12] <xannen> lol the nz ship leaking oil, looks like LOL
[09:12] <robb__> oh dear
[09:13] <robb__> updated restricted drivers?
[09:13] <xannen> the containers on it, is like neatly stacked jangga blocks on tower of pisa angle.  that's so lol
[09:14] <xannen> and now your comp/OS is f*cked?  :D
[09:14] <robb__> libyan ship
[09:15] <robb__> what u mean?
[09:15] <xannen> nevermind.  lol misunderstood.
[09:16] <robb__> so u sticking with 11.10?
[09:16] <robb__> wait for fixes?
[09:17] <xannen> at this stage, since it's less than 1 week from release date.  i'll give it time for hot-fix patch.  :D
[09:19] <xannen> i'm quite disappointed 'cause ubuntu is renown for out-of-box linux desktop.
[09:20] <robb__> yes
[09:20] <robb__> i think gnome 3 is one of the issues to do with it
[09:21] <xannen> We need Smurf X. :D
[09:24] <robb__> ?
[09:24] <gorilla> smurf?
[09:24] <xannen> Sorry, just gnome/smurf fairy tale char mocking.
[09:26] <gorilla> oh. desktop theme color. just one shade of blue with white.
[09:27] <xannen> flash is making my screen lag.  :S  no more porn on demand.  :(
[09:27] <robb__> flash hey
[09:27] <robb__> using 64 bit?
[09:28] <xannen> yep
[09:29] <robb__> the latest flash for 64 bit?
[09:29] <xannen> adobe-flashplugin 11.0.1.152-0oneiric1
[09:37] <xannen> brb relogging
[09:49] <jaddi27> head_victim, are you around?
[09:51] <robb__> xanen
[09:51] <robb__> i have a fix for u in 11.10 to stop the lag
[09:51] <robb__> i found it by accident
[09:51] <jaddi27> sagaci, are you running ubuntu oneiric, or lubuntu?
[09:52] <sagaci> well all, kubuntu on my laptop, ubuntu on my desktop and lubuntu on a netbook
[09:52] <jaddi27> ok. have you had any issues with nautilus crashing?
[09:53] <sagaci> not so far, and the ubuntu machine is running on a P4 2.8Ghz machine
[09:54] <jaddi27> ok. i upgraded my laptop, and it was working, but now it is refusing to boot
[09:55] <sagaci> upgrade or clean install
[09:55] <jaddi27> so i will reinstall it all, after moving /home to a new partition
[09:55] <jaddi27> upgrade
[09:55] <sagaci> I've never tried to upgrade since around karmic
[09:55] <jaddi27> when it did work, nautilus would crash or not open, so something was not working
[09:55] <sagaci> much less hassle to just clean isntall
[09:55] <jaddi27> ok. the upgrade to natty worked fine, so i thought this would as well
[09:56] <jaddi27> but maybe too much had been done to it
[09:57] <jaddi27> do you use a separate home partition?
[09:57] <sagaci> righteo, I'll be back later
[09:57] <sagaci> no
[09:58] <sagaci> just / and swap
[09:58] <jaddi27> you don't have many files?
[09:58] <sagaci> not on my laptop
[09:58] <jaddi27> ok
[09:58] <sagaci> otherwise I just copy over to my windows partition
[09:58] <jaddi27> yep, makes sense
[09:58] <sagaci> or the other drive in my desktop
[09:59] <sagaci> bbl
[10:35] <xannen> yay for Q&A on ABC  loltime!
[11:25] <head_victim> jaddi27: here but going away again, feel free to pm or email me.
[11:27] <jaddi27> head_victim, i think i should be alright now. I got my computer working again enough to back up my files, so hopefully my problem will all be resolved now
[11:31] <head_victim> No worries, cheerio
[12:06] <xannen> Hey all
[12:18] <xannen> All sleeping?
[12:22] <gorilla> nope. don't sleep much.
[12:22] <xannen> hi gorilla <3
[12:23] <gorilla> hi xannen
[12:30] <xannen> How are you gorilla?  What are you doing now?
[12:36] <sagaci> about ~80km/h