[02:33] <jono> bkerensa, man, saw the tat
[02:33] <jono> bkerensa, mind if I blog it?
[02:59] <jono> jcastro, around?
[02:59] <jono> I know it is a long shot
[06:40] <dholbach> good morning
[07:17] <dholbach> hey Gwaihir
[07:17] <Gwaihir> hey dholbach!
[07:19] <bkerensa> :D
[07:53] <kim0> Morning
[08:29] <cjohnston> dholbach: piiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing
[08:29] <cjohnston> uggh
[08:29] <cjohnston> ping
[08:30] <dholbach> cjohnston, pong
[08:31] <cjohnston> dholbach: we are switching LoCo Team Portal to use wsgi.. (http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~loco-directory-dev/loco-directory/0.2/view/head:/loco_directory/django.wsgi)  do you have any idea what instructions I would need to provide IS for that switch?
[08:31] <dholbach> cjohnston, no, no idea - I never had to deal with any of this
[08:31] <dholbach> it might be worth just asking in #canonical-sysadmin
[08:31] <cjohnston> Ok..
[09:00] <czajkowski> aloha folks
[09:00] <czajkowski> cjohnston: what are you doing up at this hour
[09:01] <cjohnston> i dunno
[10:20] <czajkowski> popey: http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dom7O0MFkmpw&h=EAQA_9N8nAQARjsJGxOQ7U6YvNL7sKC_6CqMibap9m-SfFw
[10:20] <czajkowski> bah!!!!
[10:21] <czajkowski> popey: http://youtu.be/om7O0MFkmpw
[10:56] <dholbach> I think I just replied to 456 emails
[10:57] <popey> :D
[10:57]  * popey hugs dholbach 
[10:57]  * dholbach hugs popey back
[10:58] <czajkowski> dholbach: no wonder you were so quiet today ;p
[11:01]  * kim0 rebooting into ubuntu-cloud-live usb stick .. wears director hat :) expect delayed replies
[11:02] <nigelb> dholbach: wow.
[11:02]  * nigelb hugs dholbach 
[11:02] <dholbach> that was ... slightly exaggerated :)
[11:02] <dholbach> but still LOADS
[11:02] <nigelb> heh
[11:03] <nigelb> I went through about 1000.
[11:03] <nigelb> but I only had to read.
[11:03] <nigelb> Most of them were autogenerated mails that needed reading.
[11:50] <ashams> Hello everybody,
[11:50] <ashams> There's an idea of creating an Appreciation Day for Ubuntu Community, it's being developed and your opinions/suggestions/help is really needed.
[11:50] <ashams> Here's the wiki page for it: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UCADay
[11:54] <czajkowski> ashams: nice idea, but, do you really think we need another day;/week event
[11:55] <ashams> czajkowski: mmm, not sure, it has a different nature
[11:55] <czajkowski> it could be built into open week
[11:55] <ashams> not really an event
[11:56] <czajkowski> or community week thiny, another week of events when we already find it hard to find speakers doesnt seem an efficient way, I'm not saying it's a bad idea, I'd rather see it as a topic in a already organised weeek/day
[11:57] <ashams> it's not really an really event, just a day to enjoy being member of this community, it's not even a day just minutes to say thank you, that's it
[11:58] <nigelb> heh, czajkowski, we've gotten used to think that something ending with "day" or "week" is an IRC event ^-^
[11:58] <Pendulum> I wonder if it sends a message that we don't appreciate the community every day, though :-/
[11:59] <ashams> Pendulum: not sure, never came to my head!
[11:59] <czajkowski> popey: +1
[11:59] <czajkowski> Pendulum: +1
[11:59] <czajkowski> even
[11:59] <czajkowski> stupid tab completeion
[12:00] <czajkowski> nigelb: when a community is as wide spread as we are they do tend to be
[12:01] <nigelb> czajkowski: to be fair, that's what I thought as well ;)
[12:03] <ashams> devs, translators, triaggers, supporters, even loco teams, need to feel that they are part of something that really feels them and appreciate what each other do....
[12:05] <mhall119> ashams: which is something each of us should be doing as individuals on a regular basis
[12:06] <mhall119> but I understand what you're going for, and I think it could be made into something that has an impact for more than just a day
[12:07] <ashams> mhall119: you do?, you get down to loco mailing lists and say "Thank you guys, we really appreciate what you do" :)
[12:07] <mhall119> I'm thinking we should add a "Be Thankful" clause to the Code of Conduct
[12:07] <mhall119> ashams: not loco mailing lists, but I try to let the people I work with know how awesome they are
[12:07] <mhall119> of, in the case of czajkowski, that she's so AWESOME it requires capslock
[12:08] <nigelb> heh
[12:08] <ashams> that's it, this time, it's cross community part
[12:08] <mhall119> hmmm....ok
[12:08] <ashams> devs will share it with translators, and so on....
[12:09] <mhall119> so like a "Thank a part of the community that you don't normally thank"
[12:09] <mhall119> I could see that
[12:09] <ashams> we don't say it :D
[12:09] <mhall119> encourage people to blog their appreciation, or send it to mailing lists of IRC channels
[12:10] <ashams> yep, but if we kept asking them to do it everyday, they will do it only once, I think.
[12:11]  * ashams scratches his head
[12:11] <Pendulum> mhall119: I'm not sure "be thankful" is the correct phrasing, but maybe "show appreciation" would be a good clause
[12:12] <Pendulum> "be thankful" to me just smacks of condescension (but that may be the contexts in which I'm usually told to be thankful)
[12:13] <czajkowski> mhall119: fecker you know I dislike that word  I will throttle you :) xx
[12:13] <czajkowski> ashams: If I have mails in my inbox for saying thanks you for every thing it's gonna get withering
[12:13] <czajkowski> have to find a balance
[12:14] <czajkowski> like when mails get sent to a list with info and reply thanks for that I really wonder do they need to send the reply
[12:15] <nigelb> Hrm, I'm liking this.
[12:15] <nigelb> http://www.redhat.com/about/news/blog/red-hat-takes-its-hat-off-to-dennis-ritchie
[12:15] <czajkowski> we have the hall of fame
[12:15] <czajkowski> use it more
[12:16] <nigelb> hall of fame needs work :(
[12:18] <ashams> czajkowski: automated, not from real persons, we have a lot of LoCos out there, much of it's newcomers feel uncomfortable, imagine what would happen if some person from another loco showed up saying, I belong to you because I love what you do and I *Appreciate* it :)
[12:20] <Pendulum> I wonder if it's something that might work better for newer people than it does for those of us who've been around a couple years
[12:21] <ashams> you won't need it much because of that time
[12:21] <Pendulum> to me it's reading as just another "talk" (say thank you) rather than "do" (help out, get people more involved, etc) thing
[12:22] <coalwater> hi all
[12:22] <Pendulum> ashams: I think actually as people get involved longer they feel less appreciated sometimes. Where people will say they appreciate something, but then don't act on that
[12:23] <ashams> Pendulum: good point
[12:23] <Pendulum> which is kinda why I think if you're going to do a day like that, it needs to encourage more than just words
[12:23] <mhall119> Pendulum: true, but I wanted something that meant "internalize your appreciation for what others do for you", not just "show gratitude so other's feel good"
[12:24] <Pendulum> mhall119: yeah, it may be context. I get told to be thankful that other people are bothing to follow a 20 year old law all the time ;-)
[12:24] <mhall119> I think the reason appreciation isn't shown is because the things we should be appreciative of are taken for granted
[12:24] <Pendulum> *bothering
[12:25] <mhall119> Pendulum: yeah, that sucks, but then again they're not really telling you to be appreciative of the fact are they?
[12:25] <mhall119> It's more like "settle for what you have and stop asking for better"
[12:25] <mhall119> which isn't at all the same
[12:25] <ashams> mhall119: that's the opposite
[12:26] <Pendulum> right and I just think that sometimes that's how "be thankful" is used/read
[12:26] <mhall119> yeah, you're right
[12:26] <ashams> actually it should encourage ppl do more
[12:26] <mhall119> perhaps "be appreciative" instead of "show appreciation" then
[12:26] <Pendulum> that might work
[12:26] <cprofitt> interesting discussion here guys
[12:26]  * Pendulum sees a CC item in the future ;-)
[12:27] <mhall119> I'd think that "be appreciative" is implied by "be respectful" and "be considerate", but it might be worth making it explicit
[12:27] <cprofitt> mhall119: is this about managing people's expectations?
[12:28] <mhall119> ashams: so tell me, what did you have in mind for community appreciation day activities?
[12:28] <mhall119> cprofitt: no, my intent it to make people aware that appreciation the work of others if a vital aspect of a cohesive community
[12:28] <ashams> mhall119: wow, it flied up there: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UCADay
[12:28]  * cprofitt nods
[12:29] <ashams> enjoy reading :)
[12:29] <mhall119> cprofitt: which is why I preferred *be* appreciative, rather than *show* appreciation
[12:29] <cprofitt> agreed
[12:30] <mhall119> I think if you do the former, the latter will come naturally
[12:30] <cprofitt> would it be a good idea to hi-light areas of the community that are not 'well known' ?
[12:31] <ashams> cprofitt: exactly
[12:31] <cprofitt> it sounds like this can both serve to energize people who have been doing work and make others see how easy it is to assist
[12:31] <ashams> people inside many locos will love it
[12:31] <nigelb> g47
[12:31] <mhall119> cprofitt: as long as that doesn't turn from appreciation to promotion
[12:31] <cprofitt> take CD image testing -- very few people seem to know it happens, we take it for granted, but w/o it none of us would have a good experience
[12:32] <cprofitt> mhall119: I agree... it has to be a careful process
[12:33] <mhall119> so basically "Find a person/team who's work benefits you that you haven't thanked yet, and thank them for it"
[12:33] <cprofitt> do we want this to be 'visible' -- the thank you part?
[12:33] <ashams> yes
[12:33] <mhall119> I don't think it has to be public, no
[12:34] <ashams> and invisibe has benifits too, I'll go with both
[12:34] <mhall119> again, if the purpose is appreciation not promotion...
[12:34] <coalwater> if it's public it will turn into some kind of collectable, people will start asking others to thank them, assuming it's some sort of button or something, isn't that what we're talking about ?
[12:34] <cprofitt> yes, but I am thinking more about a generic exposure to a process
[12:34] <mhall119> public is good, as it shows the rest of the community (and those outside the community) that we are appreciative
[12:34] <cprofitt> not specific people
[12:34] <mhall119> but public shouldn't be necessary
[12:35] <mhall119> oh, the process, yes
[12:35] <mhall119> mostly to make it easier to spread the information
[12:35] <cprofitt> like thanking the folks who do image testing, bug triage, documentation
[12:35] <cprofitt> in a general way
[12:35] <mhall119> no, I think a "thank you" email to their ML would work just as well
[12:36] <cprofitt> list the details of what these folks do (not who they are), link to the team pages, and perhaps just have a thank you button and a 'meter' that goes up or some such
[12:36] <ashams> yes, community parts, not individuals
[12:36] <cprofitt> I would like to see a thing that keeps people motivated and potentially helps others get involved
[12:36] <mhall119> if they don't have an ML or IRC channel, or like "bug triagers" it's a non-specific group of people, then a public blog post would probably be better
[12:36] <cprofitt> and expose parts of the community and the processes that keep Ubuntu going
[12:37] <ashams> there's always a ML
[12:37] <cprofitt> yeah, blod posts would work... or perhaps a forum thread?
[12:37] <mhall119> I'm against "meters"
[12:37] <cprofitt> some people may not have blogs
[12:37] <czajkowski> mhall119: +1
[12:37] <mhall119> nobody should ever "have more appreciation" than anyone else in the community
[12:37] <coalwater> don't we have some wall of fame thing already, idon't remember where it was but it's the same idea?
[12:38] <cprofitt> yeah, meters would likely lead to injured feelings upon reflection
[12:38] <cprofitt> coalwater: that was more individual than team based
[12:38] <ashams> I'm against meters too
[12:38] <mhall119> coalwater: hall of fame, yes, but development on that has been defuct for a while now I think, the main devs have been pulled onto other things
[12:38] <ashams> I hat e hall of fame from first day
[12:39] <cprofitt> czajkowski: congrats! sorry for accidently leaving you out of my blog post initially
[12:39] <czajkowski> hall of fame has been nice when it was used more in the past
[12:39] <czajkowski> cprofitt: yeah just od me the only one left out, but ok
[12:39] <czajkowski> cprofitt: wasn't just me who noticed, lots of others too
[12:40] <cprofitt> it was a simple mistake czajkowski nothing more... nothing odd about it
[12:40] <cprofitt> and I corrected it as soon as it was pointed out
[12:40] <mhall119> czajkowski: he put your name in between <AWESOME> tags, and the browser just didn't recognize them ;)
[12:40] <coalwater> :D
[12:40] <mhall119> you can kick me when you come visit
[12:40] <czajkowski> mhall119: so help me if I see you in the near future I will throttle you, I HATE that word
[12:41] <mhall119> if it makes you see me in the near future, it'll be worth it
[12:41] <cprofitt> awesome ?
[12:41] <ashams> The AWSOME word is quite AWSOME
[12:41] <mhall119> cprofitt: in caps
[12:41]  * mhall119 is causing too much trouble now
[12:41] <cprofitt> I have issues with that word too... we have a dedicated Apple user here at work and that is how she describes everything Apple does
[12:41]  * mhall119 appreciations czajkowski very much
[12:41] <czajkowski> mhall119: indeed
[12:41] <czajkowski> mhall119: wuv ya too
[12:42] <czajkowski> mhall119: and not just for the bbQ ribs
[12:42] <cprofitt> I had no issue with the word until I was exposed to her 'its just awesome'.
[12:42] <cprofitt> lol
[12:42] <czajkowski> it's an over used word
[12:42] <mhall119> czajkowski: I know, it's the cheese grits too
[12:42] <czajkowski> which has lost all meaning
[12:42] <cprofitt> +1 czajkowski
[12:42] <czajkowski> and sounds like a tv show I grew up with teengage mutant ninga turtles
[12:42] <czajkowski> so I really really hate the word
[12:42] <cprofitt> lol
[12:42] <mhall119> lol, I used to love that show
[12:43] <mhall119> had all the action figures
[12:43] <czajkowski> mhall119: we;re gonna have a falling out you know one of these days
[12:43] <cprofitt> I had more issues with Barney the Dinosaur
[12:43] <czajkowski> mhall119: oh am jobless again
[12:43] <nigelb> good I loved teenage mutant ninja turtles
[12:43] <nigelb> *god
[12:43] <mhall119> czajkowski: already?  I thought you had a few months left
[12:43] <cprofitt> czajkowski: sorry to hear that.
[12:43] <czajkowski> hired 3 in 1 go not enough work let 2 go
[12:43] <cprofitt> man that stinks
[12:43] <czajkowski> am royally mifed and other words which are not appropiate for in here
[12:45] <cprofitt> though I fear I have derailed the original discussion about CAD
[12:48] <ashams> Guys: frankly, I thought you try to stop that conversation oh it's normal ? :D
[12:48] <ashams> anyway that was AWESOME chat :D
[12:53]  * popey notes that people will have to edit their community council blog posts soon
[12:53] <jussi> popey: ?
[12:53] <popey> dholbach: are we mailing out about that or blogging or what?
[12:54] <ashams> mhall119: I can't really figure a solid opinion here, I'm lost :(
[12:55] <czajkowski> popey: eh what do we need to do with our blogs?
[12:55] <mhall119> ashams: nothing wrong with that, you can use it as a starting point and get people's ideas
[12:55] <cprofitt> popey: same question as czajkowski
[12:55] <popey> yeah, sorry, lemme clarify with dholbach
[12:56]  * jussi sees a great opportunity to spread rumours here, but refrains... :P
[12:56] <cprofitt> hey jussi!
[12:57]  * jussi hides from cprofitt :P
[12:57] <cprofitt> lol
[12:57] <jussi> hello cprofitt :)
[12:58] <ashams> mhall119: thanks, I'll return to some ppl then get back here, if you wish?
[12:58] <jussi> cprofitt: before you ask, no Im not going to UDS. (its funny, everyone is shocked when they hear Im not going, then they hear why and say oooohhh....)
[12:58] <Pendulum> jussi: I know why!
[12:58] <cprofitt> ah... I will skip to the why part then... why?
[12:58] <mhall119> ashams: consider sending an email to the community council and also the loco council
[12:59] <jussi> Pendulum: :)
[12:59]  * mhall119 knows why too
[13:00] <ashams> mhall119: there's already a talk about that, but in private)it just happened) and when no much replies was there form ppl other than dholbach, he suggested dropping it here
[13:01] <mhall119> ashams: ok
[13:03] <ashams> mmm, I'll be sending these messages too
[13:03] <ashams> time is running
[13:03] <czajkowski> ashams: new CC has only just been elected
[13:04] <czajkowski> as a person on the LC I'd be looking at the hall of fame or kick starting life into that, that's me though, not had a chane to wear my CC hat yet :)
[13:04] <ashams> czajkowski: good opportunity then :)
[13:04] <jussi> czajkowski: has your term officially started yet?
[13:05] <czajkowski> ashams: I'd still go for hall of fame, its a site that can be translated so open to others
[13:05] <czajkowski> jussi: I think so, given sabdfl posted welcome but not sure
[13:05] <czajkowski> I've not had any other emails
[13:05] <ashams> host to lp and mail translators :)
[13:05] <ashams> I wish you get that CC hat soon, you'll be even more AWESOME :P
[13:06] <czajkowski> ashams: you clearly missed the part above where I hate that word right ?
[13:06] <popey> the two things that need to happen is that the new CC need to be added to the LP group and they need adding to the cc mailing list
[13:06] <popey> (and old ones removed)
[13:07] <ashams> czajkowski: right :)
[13:07] <popey> https://launchpad.net/~communitycouncil/+members is looking a bit empty
[13:07] <popey> I'd recommend the new cc people just join the cc mailing list
[13:08] <nigelb> Has anyone seen Emmet recently?
[13:08] <nigelb> well, on IRC that is.
[13:08] <popey> no
[13:14] <czajkowski> oh community-council@lists.ubuntu.com  should be aded to the LP page
[13:14] <popey> it is on the wiki page
[13:14] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncil
[13:17] <czajkowski> aye tis
[13:21] <jussi> bah, ive forgotten the name of it... - someone here recommended a website with wireframing software, can anyone give me reminders what it was ?
[13:21] <czajkowski> jussi: pencil is lovely to use
[13:21] <mhall119> I like pencil, but it's an XPI app, not a webapp
[13:21] <jussi> czajkowski: no, it was an online one
[13:21] <mhall119> pencil will run as a firefox plugin
[13:22]  * popey hugs dholbach 
[13:22] <mhall119> but that's probably not what you meant
[13:22] <mhall119> jussi: http://mhall119.com/2011/04/pencil-for-easy-ui-mockups/
[13:22] <czajkowski> mhall119: not on FF6
[13:22] <czajkowski> FF3 plugin yes
[13:22] <jussi> mhall119: yeah, Im trying to specifically remember the one was was recommended last tiime
[13:22]  * popey hands jussi http://www.asciiflow.com/
[13:22] <popey> :D
[13:23] <jussi> popey: you are evil :P
[13:23] <popey> utf8 > ascii > *
[13:23] <AlanBell> Pencil is "Compatible with Firefox 4 to 7."
[13:23] <nigelb> I use 9 :(
[13:24] <czajkowski> AlanBell: couldnt get it to work last week so installed it desktop
[13:24] <czajkowski> not that it matters any more :/
[13:25] <popey> jussi: balsamiq is the pay-for one people rave about
[13:25] <jussi> popey: ahh thats it!!
[13:25] <jussi> thank you :)
[13:25] <popey> np
[13:25]  * dholbach hugs popey back
[13:25] <czajkowski> free for 7 days
[13:25] <czajkowski> meant to be very ncie
[13:25] <czajkowski> *nice
[13:25] <jussi> right, home time. thanks everyone
[13:26] <jcastro> buenas mornings!
[13:26] <czajkowski> jcastro: dhia dhuit :)
[13:26] <cprofitt> see ya later jussi
[13:26] <Pendulum> czajkowski: now spell that out phonetically so we know how it's pronounced ;-)
[13:27] <cprofitt> hey jcastro
[13:27] <czajkowski> dee a
[13:27] <czajkowski> guit
[13:27] <czajkowski> I think
[13:27] <czajkowski> not sure of the last one
[13:27] <czajkowski> means hello in Irish
[13:32] <Pendulum> so annoyed that Amber felt like she had to apologize to jono's team publicly in a blog post
[13:32] <jcastro> I don't even know what she did to me
[13:33] <jcastro> I tried to tell her that when she sent me a mail
[13:33] <Pendulum> eep, that was supposed to be a PM
[13:33]  * czajkowski hugs Pendulum 
[13:33] <jcastro> hah
[13:33] <jcastro> HEY EVERYONE LOOK AT PENDULUM
[13:33] <mhall119> Pendulum: uh oh, now you need to make a public apology
[13:33] <jcastro> (just kidding)
[13:33] <Pendulum> haha
[13:33] <czajkowski> please blog all apologies now, k thanks bye :p
[13:33] <Pendulum> haha
[13:34] <Pendulum> I just think someone shouldn't need to apologize for saying how they feel
[13:34] <mhall119> no, but at the same time if someone feels that they should apologize, there's nothing wrong with that
[13:34] <Pendulum> yeah
[13:34] <Pendulum> just feels awkward to me since I don't see where she went wrong in the first place
[13:35] <mhall119> doesn't matter what anyone else saw, only what she saw
[13:35] <czajkowski> mhall119: pm or private mail for it imo
[13:35] <czajkowski> kinda made no sense to me either
[13:35] <czajkowski> *shrugs*
[13:36] <jcastro> mhall119: ok so these  "adjustments" James and Dave are talking about in the RT
[13:36] <mhall119> hello transition
[13:36] <mhall119> jcastro: I have no idea what adjustments james has suggested
[13:37] <jcastro> hah nice
[13:37]  * jcastro makes explosion sounds
[13:37] <coalwater> quit
[13:37] <coalwater> exit
[13:38] <coalwater> k
[13:38] <mhall119> jcastro: LD/LTP is moving to mod_wsgi, and summit has some code optimizations, other than that I have no idea
[13:38] <coalwater> ramy farouk
[13:38] <mhall119> coalwater: try with a / in front
[13:38] <jcastro> nice!
[13:38] <coalwater> sex
[13:38] <jcastro> OMG Open Week in 20 minutes
[13:38] <czajkowski> coalwater: eh ?
[13:39] <mhall119> oh crap, that's this week?
[13:39] <coalwater> damn
[13:39] <coalwater> sry
[13:39] <mhall119> (in response to jcastro, not coalwater)
[13:39] <coalwater> stupid co worker
[13:39] <coalwater> messing with my irc
[13:39] <coalwater> i apologize
[13:39] <mhall119> coalwater: should be in the form of a blog ;)
[13:40] <mhall119> also, that'll teach you not to lock your desktop when you step away
[13:40] <coalwater> lol
[13:40] <Pendulum> haha
[13:40] <coalwater> i was just 2 desks away
[13:40] <mhall119> I worked at a place where it was practically company policy to prank anybody who didn't lock their desktop when they were away
[13:41] <coalwater> o well, i guess i will next time
[13:41] <mhall119> favorite method was to take a screenshot of the desktop and set it as the wallpaper, hiding the windows (bleh) panel and desktop icons
[13:41] <Pendulum> My last company had policy where everyone had everyone else's passwords so could log onto any desktop. In retrospect I should have done some minor pranks that way
[13:41] <mhall119> Pendulum: now that's security!
[13:42] <jcastro> hey so, just so I'm sure
[13:42] <coalwater> lool
[13:42] <jcastro> 1400UTC is in 15 minutes right?
[13:42] <mhall119> yes
[13:42] <coalwater> mhall119: i might try that
[13:42] <coalwater> :D
[13:42] <coalwater> he left
[13:43] <Pendulum> mhall119: I was the most techie person in the office. When my boss switched from an iMac to a mac mini and screen, she didn't realise she had 2 things she had to make sure were plugged in.
[13:44] <mhall119> Pendulum: been there done that
[13:45] <Pendulum> I just worry about any place where I'm their tech support ;-)
[13:51] <popey> mhall119: its company policy here to prank people
[13:55] <czajkowski> healthboard place I worked in people wrote their passwords on a sticky and left on desk and then once a month added a 1,2,3 4 to it
[13:55] <czajkowski> very secure
[13:55] <akgraner> jcastro, you spamming the other irc channels to remind them
[13:55] <akgraner> I just got back home - so I'll tweet and stuff now
[13:58] <jcastro> cooh
[13:58] <jcastro> I social media'ed already
[13:58] <jcastro> but I did forget #ubuntu, so got it!
[13:59] <akgraner> cool :-)
[13:59] <akgraner> just FB'd and g+
[13:59] <akgraner> crap I hate the enter key
[13:59] <akgraner> just fb'd and g+'d my streams with the info
[14:17] <jcastro> popey: ask me a question in the classroom
[14:18] <popey> done
[14:48] <nigelb> jcastro: Nice to see you got started :)
[14:49] <dpm> akgraner, would you mind swapping your UOW session with my second one on Wednesday? I've just realised it overlaps with the community team call
[14:49] <akgraner> no worries  - make it so :-)
[14:51] <dpm> thanks akgraner!
[14:52] <akgraner> anytime :-)
[14:57] <dpm> akgraner, timetable updated, thanks
[14:57] <akgraner> dpm,  thanks for handling that
[14:57] <akgraner> :-)
[15:00] <jono> kim0, all set?
[15:00] <kim0> yeah
[15:00] <jono> kim0, ok, just give me a few mins
[15:00] <kim0> cool
[15:01] <jono> kim0, some sound issues, rebooting
[15:01] <kim0> sure
[15:04] <akgraner> jcastro, funn sesson  - thanks!
[15:04] <akgraner> fun even
[15:04] <jcastro> woo!
[15:05] <nigelb> jcastro: good session!
[15:05] <akgraner> just linked the logs to your session :-)
[15:05] <akgraner> I didn't create a whole new page just linked the the logs - easier that way
[15:05] <akgraner> but we are missing the link to last cycles open week sessions
[15:06] <akgraner> jcastro, or nigelb can you all add them to the header?
[15:06] <nigelb> I'm multitasking, but later today for sure.
[15:06] <akgraner> nigelb, k - I just didn't know if anyone realized that or not
[15:07] <jcastro> mhall119: or nigelb
[15:08] <jcastro> is there a way to override the "same track next slot!" thing?
[15:08] <nigelb> I don't even know what you're asking
[15:08] <jcastro> basically
[15:08] <jcastro> be able to schedule an entire afternoon with one track
[15:08] <jcastro> like how linaro did
[15:09] <jcastro> james_w: ^
[15:09] <nigelb> ah, leadership summit?
[15:09] <nigelb> just manually push those into the schedule
[15:09] <nigelb> and turn off autoschedule for those sessions
[15:09] <james_w> jcastro, you can do it for a particular track
[15:09] <nigelb> (that's what I think linaro did)
[15:09] <jcastro> ah
[15:09] <jcastro> but that would be global right?
[15:09] <mhall119> jcastro: for the track, yes
[15:10] <nigelb> so you'll have to create a new track for rit.
[15:10] <jcastro> ok, how about making a "leadership summit" track then?
[15:10] <jcastro> right
[15:10] <jcastro> ok on it
[15:10] <nigelb> \o/ colors
[15:10] <nigelb> pick a color so we can fix the css for it.
[15:10] <mhall119> don't break it
[15:10] <nigelb> yeah.
[15:10] <mhall119> nigelb: fix what css?
[15:10] <nigelb> mhall119: The color for each track is still in CSS right?
[15:10] <mhall119> no
[15:10] <mhall119> where have you been?
[15:10] <jcastro> no
[15:10] <jcastro> it's in the admin tool
[15:10] <mhall119> it's in the database now, part of the Track record
[15:11] <nigelb> mhall119: oooooooh
[15:11] <jcastro> I selected a nice pastel palette. :)
[15:11] <nigelb> mhall119:  <3
[15:11] <czajkowski> jcastro: a leadership summit at uds?
[15:11] <jcastro> czajkowski: it's not announced yet
[15:11] <jcastro> as soon as I finish this
[15:11] <czajkowski> how cool had I known that I'd even consdiered applying for sponsorship alone for UDS this cycle
[15:11] <bkerensa> morning
[15:11] <mhall119> top secret, community destroying plans I'm sure
[15:11] <nigelb> well, I have the scedule for it with me.
[15:11] <czajkowski> jcastro: :( last min ideas are great and all but do kinda suck
[15:11] <nigelb> Pretty neat set of sessions.
[15:12] <czajkowski> that would have had an effect on people applying I can assure you
[15:12] <jcastro> OMG
[15:12] <jcastro> [] allow adjacent sessions
[15:12] <jcastro> HELL YEAH
[15:13] <bkerensa> jcastro: You see my ink on G+
[15:13] <bkerensa> "D
[15:13] <jcastro> not yet
[15:14] <bkerensa> ;)
[15:14] <bkerensa> you will enjoy
[15:16] <jcastro> link me up, I am not sure if I'm following you?
[15:16] <jcastro> hey, and now the most important part
[15:16] <jcastro> what color should we use?
[15:16] <bkerensa> jcastro: http://ubuntuone.com/4AiC97nxYmfe4UntqLxIyf
[15:17] <jcastro> yikes!!!
[15:17] <bkerensa> lol
[15:17] <jcastro> that is jawesome
[15:17] <bkerensa> :D
[15:17] <bkerensa> yeah its starting not to hurt as much today
[15:17] <bkerensa> :D
[15:17] <bkerensa> I got it on Saturday
[15:17] <jcastro> I cried
[15:18] <bkerensa> I wonder how many people have Circle of Friends ink
[15:18] <bkerensa> :D
[15:19] <bkerensa> Its a good conversation starter and surprisingly on the ride home a guy on the bus said he loves Ubuntu randomly
[15:19] <mhall119> I've found that just wearing an Ubuntu shirt gets people to ask me about it
[15:19] <mhall119> less painful than a tattoo
[15:19] <akgraner> I love Ubuntu but don't think I'm adding it to my collection of ink :-) but bkerensa that's cool and I'm glad it works for ya
[15:21] <bkerensa> akgraner: Well there is a bigger plan surrounding it
[15:21] <bkerensa> ;)
[15:21] <bkerensa> akgraner: thinking of a entire Linux/FOSS sleeve over time
[15:21] <mhall119> bkerensa: so I guess now is a bad time to tell you that they're changing the logo
[15:22] <bkerensa> akgraner: Likely will cost a lot so bits and pieces at a time :D
[15:22] <mhall119> (just kidding)
[15:22] <jcastro> I know one dude has the old logo
[15:22] <bkerensa> mhall119: I'm sure it will always be Circle of Friends based if they ever change it again
[15:22] <mhall119> true, there's a lot of investment in that trademark
[15:23] <bkerensa> jcastro: Yeah he commented on my post on G+..... I think he is the only other person I can find with Ubuntu ink :P
[15:23] <bkerensa> jcastro: But his doesn't follow the Ubuntu Brand Guidelines
[15:23] <bkerensa> http://design.canonical.com/the-toolkit/ubuntu-brand-guidelines/
[15:23] <bkerensa> ;)
[15:24] <mhall119> bkerensa: file a bug, assign it to him ;)
[15:25] <bkerensa> LOL
[15:26] <jcastro> "your tattoo is off brand"
[15:27] <mhall119> czajkowski: do you have the link to the wiki page for signing up to the LTP rss feed?
[15:27] <nigelb> mhall119: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoPortalFeeds
[15:28] <mhall119> ah, thanks nigelb
[15:36] <akgraner> Randall's session is awesome!
[15:36] <akgraner> You can totally see his marketing background come to life in his LoCo team.  It's soooo contagious!
[15:38] <akgraner> I love marketing :-)
[15:44] <czajkowski> mhall119: sorry was out in kitchen making dinner, you got tyhe link anyhow
[15:51] <akgraner> Up Next  at 1600 UTC in #ubuntu-classroom and #ubuntu-classroom chat for Ubuntu Open Week is Getting the most out of LoCo Teams Portal - mhall119
[15:52] <jcastro> mhall119: 10 minute warning!
[15:52] <mhall119> jcastro: I'm already in there asking questions :P
[15:54] <akgraner> jcastro, I don't know if I added you as helper in all the sessions  - is it ok to do that?
[15:54] <akgraner> I didn't want to voluntell you..:-)
[15:57] <akgraner> mhall119, as you know when the topic changes the floor is yours :-)
[15:58] <mhall119> yup
[16:17] <bkerensa> Well gotta head to kinkos and prep stuff for our 11.10 Release Party this weekend ttyl
[16:19] <dholbach> jono, 10m? :)
[16:21] <bkerensa> dholbach: jono doing a session today?
[16:21] <dholbach> bkerensa, nope, but we're having a call together :)
[16:21] <bkerensa> dholbach: Oh darn... /me goes back afkish
[16:22] <jono> dholbach, yup
[16:22] <dholbach> bkerensa, just double-checked: no jono on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek :)
[16:26] <jcastro> <---- lunching, AFK!
[16:30] <jono> dholbach, will be two secs
[16:30] <dholbach> jono, skype? g+?
[16:33] <jono> dholbach, firing up a hangout
[16:33] <dholbach> cool
[16:57] <dholbach> alright my friends - I call it a day
[16:57] <dholbach> see you all tomorrow
[17:24] <akgraner> jcastro you want to summarize today's sessions or do you want me to for Classroom and Fridge postings?
[17:25] <jcastro> ask me after
[17:25] <jcastro> in the middle of one!
[17:41] <cprofitt> gotta run to an appointment
[17:41] <cprofitt> see you guys later
[18:04] <akgraner> jcastro logs are linked to the sessions for today  - we don't need to create individual pages do we?
[18:04] <jcastro> no way, too much work
[18:04] <akgraner> k :-)
[18:05] <pleia2> so the americas membership board wiki was deleted and I submitted a ticket about it 2 days ago and haven't heard anything, we've got a meeting on thursday and people are starting to complain they can't add their application
[18:05] <pleia2> is there any way to get this nudged along with IS?
[18:05] <maco> O_o
[18:06] <pleia2> (it gives all kinds of python errors when I try to revert, and gives an error if you try to create a new page)
[18:06]  * jcastro tries it
[18:07] <pleia2> 18219 is the ticket number
[18:08] <jcastro> I got it
[18:08] <pleia2> ooh, how?
[18:09] <pleia2> oh, got it in a different way
[18:09] <pleia2> hehe
[18:09] <pleia2> thanks for taking a look
[18:09] <jcastro> I did &action=view
[18:09] <jcastro> then I could rever WHOA
[18:09] <jcastro> huge python error
[18:09] <pleia2> yeah
[18:10] <jcastro> wow, it's totally boned
[18:10] <jcastro> pleia2: ok try this
[18:10] <jcastro> since you can view the old one
[18:10] <jcastro> copy the raw into gedit
[18:10] <jcastro> then just recreate the page
[18:10] <jcastro> see what happens
[18:11] <pleia2> yes, that gives a "Page could not get locked. Missing 'current' file?" error
[18:11] <pleia2> I forwarded you the ticket
[18:13] <jcastro> ok
[18:13] <jcastro> lemme poke IS
[18:13] <jcastro> when is the meeting?
[18:13] <jcastro> don't say tonight
[18:13] <pleia2> thank you :)
[18:13] <pleia2> thursday
[18:13] <jcastro> whew!
[18:17]  * AlanBell has roomlist schedules working
[18:17]  * czajkowski hugs AlanBell 
[18:17]  * AlanBell hugs czajkowski
[18:20] <jcastro> pleia2: they're looking now
[18:20] <jcastro> and will get back to me
[18:20] <jcastro> NOBODY PANIC.
[18:20] <pleia2> thank you :)
[18:20] <Pici> pleia2: I had the same issue with another page last week, IS got it fixed for me, although I  was getting a 500 server error over the weekend for the same page (its working today).
[18:20] <jcastro> wouldn't it be wonderful if they just replace the wiki with mediawiki
[18:20] <pleia2> crazy wiki :)
[18:20] <Pici> Twas for the DevelopmentCodenames page, very important :P
[18:23] <pangolin> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes still hasn't been updated either
[18:24] <Pici> I logged a bug for that on release day :/
[18:24] <pangolin> I remember
[18:24] <pangolin> not like md5sums are important or anything :)
[18:25] <jcastro> ping someone on the release team
[18:25] <jcastro> maybe it missed a checklist or something?
[18:28] <jcastro> pleia2: you are back in bidness
[18:28] <pleia2> woohoo, thank you!
[18:31] <akgraner> pangolin, here's the information just needs to be added to the documentation  - http://releases.ubuntu.com/oneiric/MD5SUMS
[18:32] <pangolin> akgraner: it's a wiki but I can't add it :/
[18:32] <akgraner> one sec let me see if I Can
[18:32] <akgraner> waiting for it to sign me in :-/
[18:36] <akgraner> pangolin, it lets you log in but you have to file a bug to get it added or make changes to the page
[18:37] <akgraner> if you didn't file a bug already then I'll do it now and give you the link to the bug
[18:37] <pangolin> bug is filed by Pici
[18:37] <pangolin> akgraner: thanks for taking a look at it though :)
[18:37] <Pici> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/873428
[18:37] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 873428 in ubuntu-docs "UbuntuHashes needs Oneiric hashes" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[18:39] <akgraner> I re-added the request - that's a docs team thing
[18:39] <akgraner> only they an update those pages or something
[18:42] <akgraner> jcastro, are you opposed to a 1300 UTC Session on wednesday?  tcarrondo can't do his 1700 UTC session on Thursday
[18:42] <jcastro> nope
[18:42] <jcastro> that's fine
[18:42] <jcastro> hey any idea if rick can do that guy's slot then?
[18:42] <akgraner> I'll ask him
[18:44] <akgraner> jcastro, I get his away message but I asked him
[18:49] <akgraner> jcastro, rick is a go
[18:49] <akgraner> I told him since there was no Ask Mark this time around - then we were throwing him under the bus :-)
[18:50] <jcastro> nice!
[18:50] <jcastro> can you slot him in?
[18:50] <akgraner> yep doing that now and will send him the session leader email as well
[18:54] <akgraner> jcastro, updated
[18:55] <akgraner> so if you know someone who wants to give a session tomorrow , thurs, or Friday at 1300 have them sang those slots
[18:57] <akgraner> I labeled them as extra open slots
[22:13] <mhall119> akgraner: shouldn't we be doing Ask Jane sessions now?
[22:16] <maco> mhall119: depends...was the point of Ask Mark to talk to the CEO or the BDFL?
[22:19] <jono> akgraner, ping?
[22:22] <bkerensa> mhall119: Ask Jane?
[22:22] <bkerensa> lol
[22:24] <AlanBell> do both
[22:24] <AlanBell> ask Mark, then ask Jane and compare answers :)
[22:26] <bkerensa> heh
[22:27] <greg-g> "but Mom said I could!"
[22:32] <AlanBell> my kids ask me if they can do something, I say yes, they look surprised, go ask mum for a second opinion, she says no, they come back to me and now I have to say no too, and they burst into tears and it is my fault for some reason
[22:33] <greg-g> it's their fault for asking for a second opinion when they already have a good one
[22:34] <AlanBell> I think so too
[22:38] <maco> yeah im with greg on that
[22:46] <jono> hey folks
[22:46] <jono> I have been thinking, in the interests of improving and supporting leadership in the project, we should re-energize w.u.c/BuildingCommunity
[22:46] <jono> there is some good content on there
[22:47] <jono> we just need to give it a new lick of paint :-)
[22:48] <jono> thoughts?
[23:01]  * bkerensa pushes the Ubuntu Cloud reboot button
[23:13] <akgraner> jono, pong
[23:17] <jono> akgraner, ^^
[23:18]  * akgraner reads scrollback
[23:19] <akgraner> jono Building Community would be helpful....
[23:21] <akgraner> did you want to go through it prior to UDS and see what areas need "a new lick of paint"
[23:21] <akgraner> however can we move it to something other than a wiki
[23:21] <akgraner> I hate wiki's why not a Community Portal or something
[23:22] <akgraner> something with an updated look and feel - wiki pages are flat - those new sites you all have done this last cycle are jazzed up and grab people's attention
[23:24] <akgraner> jono ^^^
[23:24] <greg-g> akgraner: which new pages are you thinking of?
[23:25] <akgraner> greg-g - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BuildingCommunity
[23:25] <akgraner> something like cloud.ubuntu.com but community.ubuntu.com
[23:26] <greg-g> akgraner: except I can't contribute to a community.ubuntu.com that has the same system as cloud.ubuntu.com
[23:26] <greg-g> except blog post comments, which aren't helpful
[23:27] <akgraner> greg-g, we can figure that out - sure people can contribute to wiki but we need another way to grab people's attention
[23:27] <greg-g> what I'm saying is: whatever BuildingCommunity turns into must be community-owned, not some announcement platform
[23:27] <akgraner> greg-g, I agree
[23:27] <greg-g> I think that's a different problem?
[23:28] <akgraner> but if we don't start somewhere and just do something then we stay just where we are
[23:28] <akgraner> at least by updating and looking for better more updated solutions we don't get stagnant
[23:28] <greg-g> who said we're aren't going to do something?
[23:29] <akgraner> you didn't but I just put that out there - I don't want to argue about it - I just want something updated
[23:29] <greg-g> :) fair
[23:29] <akgraner> jono, has a good point
[23:29] <greg-g> but I don't think a technology switch will fix the problem
[23:30] <akgraner> if the community thought it was important they could have been adding to it all along - I venture to say people have forgotten about the Building Community pages
[23:30]  * jono reads up
[23:31] <akgraner> so 1) we need more buzz about them
[23:31] <akgraner> 2) we need to see which pages need updating
[23:31] <jono> my feel is to get BuildingCommunity in shape before we move to a portal
[23:31] <jono> we need folks to be able to update it
[23:31] <akgraner> jono, that was going to be point 3
[23:31] <akgraner> :-)
[23:31] <jono> I started those pages as a source of community guidance and leadership and I think we just forgot about them a little :-)
[23:31] <greg-g> yep :)
[23:31] <akgraner> jono agreed
[23:31] <bkerensa> Cloud :D
[23:31] <jono> so I was thinking it could be a good focus of efforts for us to improve
[23:32] <greg-g> but a non-community-editable community page is not :)
[23:32] <jono> and if we have some great content we could then move it to a portal if needed
[23:32] <bkerensa> jono: juju is fun :D
[23:32] <jono> greg-g, totally agree
[23:32]  * greg-g nods
[23:32] <jono> bkerensa, :-)
[23:32] <bkerensa>  [bkerensa] (~bkerensa@cloud.ubuntu-oregon.org):
[23:32] <bkerensa> :D
[23:32] <jono> akgraner, I think I will blog about this tomorrow, I was thinking we could maybe organize a docs day to fix it all up
[23:32] <akgraner> I'm in
[23:32] <jono> akgraner, cool
[23:33] <jono> we should liaise with the docs team over this too
[23:33] <akgraner> I'd love to have those fixed up and the leadership team is looking for things to help with as well
[23:33] <jono> awesome, I think the leadership team could really help here
[23:33] <bkerensa> jono: I'm on Leadership and Docs team
[23:33] <bkerensa> :P
[23:33] <jono> cool
[23:33] <bkerensa> but my doc contributions are going stale
[23:33] <bkerensa> :D
[23:34] <jono> I think I am going to make a few adjustments to the pages and then I will blog i
[23:34] <jono> it
[23:34] <akgraner> cool
[23:34] <jono> and see if we can get some folks to participate
[23:34] <jono> would be awesome to get them fixed up for UDS
[23:35] <akgraner> it would be - when do you want people to start going through the pages, before or after you blog?
[23:35] <jono> akgraner, my hunch is the blog will share the ambition of fixing them up
[23:35] <jono> but people can get started now, for sure :-)
[23:35] <jono> I think the main bits are the Knowledge Base and the FAQ
[23:36] <jono> I would love to see it become a central base of knowledge for community building in the project
[23:36] <akgraner> ok but I think people should know that someone has veto on information added
[23:36] <jono> veto?
[23:36] <jono> why?
[23:36] <akgraner> b/c some people would totally add dictatorship to leadership ideas
[23:36] <jono> it's a wiki, everyone has veto :-)
[23:36] <akgraner> or something like that
[23:36] <jono> of course
[23:36] <akgraner> that is not helpful
[23:36] <jono> well, we can fix up that stuff later
[23:36] <jono> there will be some crud
[23:37] <jono> but I think in general we can get some good content in there
[23:37] <akgraner> ok just looking at all the angles :-)
[23:37] <bkerensa> akgraner: BDFL
[23:37] <bkerensa> :D
[23:38] <bkerensa> jono: You going to be busy Saturday evening?
[23:38] <akgraner> bkerensa, I can go all BDFL on people just ask my kids, but that doesn't work for community leaders of volunteer organizations unless you're like Mark and pouring millions into something in that case no arguments from me :-)
[23:39] <jono> bkerensa, yup
[23:39] <jono> why?
[23:39] <bkerensa> akgraner: I know I was just poking fun at MarkS's title
[23:39] <akgraner> bkerensa, he's not the only one in the FOSS community who uses that...:-)
[23:39] <bkerensa> jono: 11.10 release party saturday I was wondering if I pinged you I might be able to get you on G+ for like 5 mins just to say hi
[23:40] <akgraner> jono, good idea - thanks for bringing it up  - as soon as you clog I'll talk to the leadership team
[23:40] <jono> bkerensa, sorry, I would love to but Sat is my one night with my wife before I run to UDS
[23:40] <bkerensa> jono: Oh totally understandable.... Btw. Lucky you getting to go to UDS
[23:40] <bkerensa> :D
[23:41] <bkerensa> akgraner: What did you think of my membership app?
[23:41] <akgraner> good :-)  I think you'll do well
[23:41] <akgraner> I'm going to try to be at the meeting
[23:42] <bkerensa> akgraner: Yeah I might ask some LoCo people to be there and maybe WA LoCo aswell
[23:42] <bkerensa> idk
[23:42] <bkerensa> :D
[23:42]  * bkerensa will try and be there (LOL thats a joke)
[23:42] <akgraner> jono thanks!
[23:42]  * bkerensa is gonna zip off to connect a Surveillance DVR to the network here ttyl folks
[23:47] <jono> thanks akgraner!