[02:33] bkerensa, man, saw the tat [02:33] bkerensa, mind if I blog it? [02:59] jcastro, around? [02:59] I know it is a long shot [06:40] good morning [07:17] hey Gwaihir [07:17] hey dholbach! [07:19] :D [07:53] Morning [08:29] dholbach: piiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing [08:29] uggh [08:29] ping [08:30] cjohnston, pong [08:31] dholbach: we are switching LoCo Team Portal to use wsgi.. (http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~loco-directory-dev/loco-directory/0.2/view/head:/loco_directory/django.wsgi) do you have any idea what instructions I would need to provide IS for that switch? [08:31] cjohnston, no, no idea - I never had to deal with any of this [08:31] it might be worth just asking in #canonical-sysadmin [08:31] Ok.. [09:00] aloha folks [09:00] cjohnston: what are you doing up at this hour [09:01] i dunno [10:20] popey: http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dom7O0MFkmpw&h=EAQA_9N8nAQARjsJGxOQ7U6YvNL7sKC_6CqMibap9m-SfFw [10:20] bah!!!! [10:21] popey: http://youtu.be/om7O0MFkmpw [10:56] I think I just replied to 456 emails [10:57] :D [10:57] * popey hugs dholbach [10:57] * dholbach hugs popey back [10:58] dholbach: no wonder you were so quiet today ;p [11:01] * kim0 rebooting into ubuntu-cloud-live usb stick .. wears director hat :) expect delayed replies [11:02] dholbach: wow. [11:02] * nigelb hugs dholbach [11:02] that was ... slightly exaggerated :) [11:02] but still LOADS [11:02] heh [11:03] I went through about 1000. [11:03] but I only had to read. [11:03] Most of them were autogenerated mails that needed reading. [11:50] Hello everybody, [11:50] There's an idea of creating an Appreciation Day for Ubuntu Community, it's being developed and your opinions/suggestions/help is really needed. [11:50] Here's the wiki page for it: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UCADay [11:54] ashams: nice idea, but, do you really think we need another day;/week event [11:55] czajkowski: mmm, not sure, it has a different nature [11:55] it could be built into open week [11:55] not really an event [11:56] or community week thiny, another week of events when we already find it hard to find speakers doesnt seem an efficient way, I'm not saying it's a bad idea, I'd rather see it as a topic in a already organised weeek/day [11:57] it's not really an really event, just a day to enjoy being member of this community, it's not even a day just minutes to say thank you, that's it [11:58] heh, czajkowski, we've gotten used to think that something ending with "day" or "week" is an IRC event ^-^ [11:58] I wonder if it sends a message that we don't appreciate the community every day, though :-/ [11:59] Pendulum: not sure, never came to my head! [11:59] popey: +1 [11:59] Pendulum: +1 [11:59] even [11:59] stupid tab completeion [12:00] nigelb: when a community is as wide spread as we are they do tend to be [12:01] czajkowski: to be fair, that's what I thought as well ;) [12:03] devs, translators, triaggers, supporters, even loco teams, need to feel that they are part of something that really feels them and appreciate what each other do.... [12:05] ashams: which is something each of us should be doing as individuals on a regular basis [12:06] but I understand what you're going for, and I think it could be made into something that has an impact for more than just a day [12:07] mhall119: you do?, you get down to loco mailing lists and say "Thank you guys, we really appreciate what you do" :) [12:07] I'm thinking we should add a "Be Thankful" clause to the Code of Conduct [12:07] ashams: not loco mailing lists, but I try to let the people I work with know how awesome they are [12:07] of, in the case of czajkowski, that she's so AWESOME it requires capslock [12:08] heh [12:08] that's it, this time, it's cross community part [12:08] hmmm....ok [12:08] devs will share it with translators, and so on.... [12:09] so like a "Thank a part of the community that you don't normally thank" [12:09] I could see that [12:09] we don't say it :D [12:09] encourage people to blog their appreciation, or send it to mailing lists of IRC channels [12:10] yep, but if we kept asking them to do it everyday, they will do it only once, I think. [12:11] * ashams scratches his head [12:11] mhall119: I'm not sure "be thankful" is the correct phrasing, but maybe "show appreciation" would be a good clause [12:12] "be thankful" to me just smacks of condescension (but that may be the contexts in which I'm usually told to be thankful) [12:13] mhall119: fecker you know I dislike that word I will throttle you :) xx [12:13] ashams: If I have mails in my inbox for saying thanks you for every thing it's gonna get withering [12:13] have to find a balance [12:14] like when mails get sent to a list with info and reply thanks for that I really wonder do they need to send the reply [12:15] Hrm, I'm liking this. [12:15] http://www.redhat.com/about/news/blog/red-hat-takes-its-hat-off-to-dennis-ritchie [12:15] we have the hall of fame [12:15] use it more [12:16] hall of fame needs work :( [12:18] czajkowski: automated, not from real persons, we have a lot of LoCos out there, much of it's newcomers feel uncomfortable, imagine what would happen if some person from another loco showed up saying, I belong to you because I love what you do and I *Appreciate* it :) [12:20] I wonder if it's something that might work better for newer people than it does for those of us who've been around a couple years [12:21] you won't need it much because of that time [12:21] to me it's reading as just another "talk" (say thank you) rather than "do" (help out, get people more involved, etc) thing [12:22] hi all [12:22] ashams: I think actually as people get involved longer they feel less appreciated sometimes. Where people will say they appreciate something, but then don't act on that [12:23] Pendulum: good point [12:23] which is kinda why I think if you're going to do a day like that, it needs to encourage more than just words [12:23] Pendulum: true, but I wanted something that meant "internalize your appreciation for what others do for you", not just "show gratitude so other's feel good" [12:24] mhall119: yeah, it may be context. I get told to be thankful that other people are bothing to follow a 20 year old law all the time ;-) [12:24] I think the reason appreciation isn't shown is because the things we should be appreciative of are taken for granted [12:24] *bothering [12:25] Pendulum: yeah, that sucks, but then again they're not really telling you to be appreciative of the fact are they? [12:25] It's more like "settle for what you have and stop asking for better" [12:25] which isn't at all the same [12:25] mhall119: that's the opposite [12:26] right and I just think that sometimes that's how "be thankful" is used/read [12:26] yeah, you're right [12:26] actually it should encourage ppl do more [12:26] perhaps "be appreciative" instead of "show appreciation" then [12:26] that might work [12:26] interesting discussion here guys [12:26] * Pendulum sees a CC item in the future ;-) [12:27] I'd think that "be appreciative" is implied by "be respectful" and "be considerate", but it might be worth making it explicit [12:27] mhall119: is this about managing people's expectations? [12:28] ashams: so tell me, what did you have in mind for community appreciation day activities? [12:28] cprofitt: no, my intent it to make people aware that appreciation the work of others if a vital aspect of a cohesive community [12:28] mhall119: wow, it flied up there: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UCADay [12:28] * cprofitt nods [12:29] enjoy reading :) [12:29] cprofitt: which is why I preferred *be* appreciative, rather than *show* appreciation [12:29] agreed [12:30] I think if you do the former, the latter will come naturally [12:30] would it be a good idea to hi-light areas of the community that are not 'well known' ? [12:31] cprofitt: exactly [12:31] it sounds like this can both serve to energize people who have been doing work and make others see how easy it is to assist [12:31] people inside many locos will love it [12:31] g47 [12:31] cprofitt: as long as that doesn't turn from appreciation to promotion [12:31] take CD image testing -- very few people seem to know it happens, we take it for granted, but w/o it none of us would have a good experience [12:32] mhall119: I agree... it has to be a careful process [12:33] so basically "Find a person/team who's work benefits you that you haven't thanked yet, and thank them for it" [12:33] do we want this to be 'visible' -- the thank you part? [12:33] yes [12:33] I don't think it has to be public, no [12:34] and invisibe has benifits too, I'll go with both [12:34] again, if the purpose is appreciation not promotion... [12:34] if it's public it will turn into some kind of collectable, people will start asking others to thank them, assuming it's some sort of button or something, isn't that what we're talking about ? [12:34] yes, but I am thinking more about a generic exposure to a process [12:34] public is good, as it shows the rest of the community (and those outside the community) that we are appreciative [12:34] not specific people [12:34] but public shouldn't be necessary [12:35] oh, the process, yes [12:35] mostly to make it easier to spread the information [12:35] like thanking the folks who do image testing, bug triage, documentation [12:35] in a general way [12:35] no, I think a "thank you" email to their ML would work just as well [12:36] list the details of what these folks do (not who they are), link to the team pages, and perhaps just have a thank you button and a 'meter' that goes up or some such [12:36] yes, community parts, not individuals [12:36] I would like to see a thing that keeps people motivated and potentially helps others get involved [12:36] if they don't have an ML or IRC channel, or like "bug triagers" it's a non-specific group of people, then a public blog post would probably be better [12:36] and expose parts of the community and the processes that keep Ubuntu going [12:37] there's always a ML [12:37] yeah, blod posts would work... or perhaps a forum thread? [12:37] I'm against "meters" [12:37] some people may not have blogs [12:37] mhall119: +1 [12:37] nobody should ever "have more appreciation" than anyone else in the community [12:37] don't we have some wall of fame thing already, idon't remember where it was but it's the same idea? [12:38] yeah, meters would likely lead to injured feelings upon reflection [12:38] coalwater: that was more individual than team based [12:38] I'm against meters too [12:38] coalwater: hall of fame, yes, but development on that has been defuct for a while now I think, the main devs have been pulled onto other things [12:38] I hat e hall of fame from first day [12:39] czajkowski: congrats! sorry for accidently leaving you out of my blog post initially [12:39] hall of fame has been nice when it was used more in the past [12:39] cprofitt: yeah just od me the only one left out, but ok [12:39] cprofitt: wasn't just me who noticed, lots of others too [12:40] it was a simple mistake czajkowski nothing more... nothing odd about it [12:40] and I corrected it as soon as it was pointed out [12:40] czajkowski: he put your name in between tags, and the browser just didn't recognize them ;) [12:40] :D [12:40] you can kick me when you come visit [12:40] mhall119: so help me if I see you in the near future I will throttle you, I HATE that word [12:41] if it makes you see me in the near future, it'll be worth it [12:41] awesome ? [12:41] The AWSOME word is quite AWSOME [12:41] cprofitt: in caps [12:41] * mhall119 is causing too much trouble now [12:41] I have issues with that word too... we have a dedicated Apple user here at work and that is how she describes everything Apple does [12:41] * mhall119 appreciations czajkowski very much [12:41] mhall119: indeed [12:41] mhall119: wuv ya too [12:42] mhall119: and not just for the bbQ ribs [12:42] I had no issue with the word until I was exposed to her 'its just awesome'. [12:42] lol [12:42] it's an over used word [12:42] czajkowski: I know, it's the cheese grits too [12:42] which has lost all meaning [12:42] +1 czajkowski [12:42] and sounds like a tv show I grew up with teengage mutant ninga turtles [12:42] so I really really hate the word [12:42] lol [12:42] lol, I used to love that show [12:43] had all the action figures [12:43] mhall119: we;re gonna have a falling out you know one of these days [12:43] I had more issues with Barney the Dinosaur [12:43] mhall119: oh am jobless again [12:43] good I loved teenage mutant ninja turtles [12:43] *god [12:43] czajkowski: already? I thought you had a few months left [12:43] czajkowski: sorry to hear that. [12:43] hired 3 in 1 go not enough work let 2 go [12:43] man that stinks [12:43] am royally mifed and other words which are not appropiate for in here [12:45] though I fear I have derailed the original discussion about CAD [12:48] Guys: frankly, I thought you try to stop that conversation oh it's normal ? :D [12:48] anyway that was AWESOME chat :D [12:53] * popey notes that people will have to edit their community council blog posts soon [12:53] popey: ? [12:53] dholbach: are we mailing out about that or blogging or what? [12:54] mhall119: I can't really figure a solid opinion here, I'm lost :( [12:55] popey: eh what do we need to do with our blogs? [12:55] ashams: nothing wrong with that, you can use it as a starting point and get people's ideas [12:55] popey: same question as czajkowski [12:55] yeah, sorry, lemme clarify with dholbach [12:56] * jussi sees a great opportunity to spread rumours here, but refrains... :P [12:56] hey jussi! [12:57] * jussi hides from cprofitt :P [12:57] lol [12:57] hello cprofitt :) [12:58] mhall119: thanks, I'll return to some ppl then get back here, if you wish? [12:58] cprofitt: before you ask, no Im not going to UDS. (its funny, everyone is shocked when they hear Im not going, then they hear why and say oooohhh....) [12:58] jussi: I know why! [12:58] ah... I will skip to the why part then... why? [12:58] ashams: consider sending an email to the community council and also the loco council [12:59] Pendulum: :) [12:59] * mhall119 knows why too [13:00] mhall119: there's already a talk about that, but in private)it just happened) and when no much replies was there form ppl other than dholbach, he suggested dropping it here [13:01] ashams: ok [13:03] mmm, I'll be sending these messages too [13:03] time is running [13:03] ashams: new CC has only just been elected [13:04] as a person on the LC I'd be looking at the hall of fame or kick starting life into that, that's me though, not had a chane to wear my CC hat yet :) [13:04] czajkowski: good opportunity then :) [13:04] czajkowski: has your term officially started yet? [13:05] ashams: I'd still go for hall of fame, its a site that can be translated so open to others [13:05] jussi: I think so, given sabdfl posted welcome but not sure [13:05] I've not had any other emails [13:05] host to lp and mail translators :) [13:05] I wish you get that CC hat soon, you'll be even more AWESOME :P [13:06] ashams: you clearly missed the part above where I hate that word right ? [13:06] the two things that need to happen is that the new CC need to be added to the LP group and they need adding to the cc mailing list [13:06] (and old ones removed) [13:07] czajkowski: right :) [13:07] https://launchpad.net/~communitycouncil/+members is looking a bit empty [13:07] I'd recommend the new cc people just join the cc mailing list [13:08] Has anyone seen Emmet recently? [13:08] well, on IRC that is. [13:08] no [13:14] oh community-council@lists.ubuntu.com should be aded to the LP page [13:14] it is on the wiki page [13:14] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncil [13:17] aye tis [13:21] bah, ive forgotten the name of it... - someone here recommended a website with wireframing software, can anyone give me reminders what it was ? [13:21] jussi: pencil is lovely to use [13:21] I like pencil, but it's an XPI app, not a webapp [13:21] czajkowski: no, it was an online one [13:21] pencil will run as a firefox plugin [13:22] * popey hugs dholbach [13:22] but that's probably not what you meant [13:22] jussi: http://mhall119.com/2011/04/pencil-for-easy-ui-mockups/ [13:22] mhall119: not on FF6 [13:22] FF3 plugin yes [13:22] mhall119: yeah, Im trying to specifically remember the one was was recommended last tiime [13:22] * popey hands jussi http://www.asciiflow.com/ [13:22] :D [13:23] popey: you are evil :P [13:23] utf8 > ascii > * [13:23] Pencil is "Compatible with Firefox 4 to 7." [13:23] I use 9 :( [13:24] AlanBell: couldnt get it to work last week so installed it desktop [13:24] not that it matters any more :/ [13:25] jussi: balsamiq is the pay-for one people rave about [13:25] popey: ahh thats it!! [13:25] thank you :) [13:25] np [13:25] * dholbach hugs popey back [13:25] free for 7 days [13:25] meant to be very ncie [13:25] *nice [13:25] right, home time. thanks everyone [13:26] buenas mornings! [13:26] jcastro: dhia dhuit :) [13:26] see ya later jussi [13:26] czajkowski: now spell that out phonetically so we know how it's pronounced ;-) [13:27] hey jcastro [13:27] dee a [13:27] guit [13:27] I think [13:27] not sure of the last one [13:27] means hello in Irish [13:32] so annoyed that Amber felt like she had to apologize to jono's team publicly in a blog post [13:32] I don't even know what she did to me [13:33] I tried to tell her that when she sent me a mail [13:33] eep, that was supposed to be a PM [13:33] * czajkowski hugs Pendulum [13:33] hah [13:33] HEY EVERYONE LOOK AT PENDULUM [13:33] Pendulum: uh oh, now you need to make a public apology [13:33] (just kidding) [13:33] haha [13:33] please blog all apologies now, k thanks bye :p [13:33] haha [13:34] I just think someone shouldn't need to apologize for saying how they feel [13:34] no, but at the same time if someone feels that they should apologize, there's nothing wrong with that [13:34] yeah [13:34] just feels awkward to me since I don't see where she went wrong in the first place === ashams_ is now known as ashams [13:35] doesn't matter what anyone else saw, only what she saw [13:35] mhall119: pm or private mail for it imo [13:35] kinda made no sense to me either [13:35] *shrugs* [13:36] mhall119: ok so these "adjustments" James and Dave are talking about in the RT [13:36] hello transition [13:36] jcastro: I have no idea what adjustments james has suggested [13:37] hah nice [13:37] * jcastro makes explosion sounds [13:37] quit [13:37] exit [13:38] k [13:38] jcastro: LD/LTP is moving to mod_wsgi, and summit has some code optimizations, other than that I have no idea [13:38] ramy farouk [13:38] coalwater: try with a / in front [13:38] nice! [13:38] sex [13:38] OMG Open Week in 20 minutes [13:38] coalwater: eh ? [13:39] oh crap, that's this week? [13:39] damn [13:39] sry [13:39] (in response to jcastro, not coalwater) [13:39] stupid co worker [13:39] messing with my irc [13:39] i apologize [13:39] coalwater: should be in the form of a blog ;) [13:40] also, that'll teach you not to lock your desktop when you step away [13:40] lol [13:40] haha [13:40] i was just 2 desks away [13:40] I worked at a place where it was practically company policy to prank anybody who didn't lock their desktop when they were away [13:41] o well, i guess i will next time [13:41] favorite method was to take a screenshot of the desktop and set it as the wallpaper, hiding the windows (bleh) panel and desktop icons [13:41] My last company had policy where everyone had everyone else's passwords so could log onto any desktop. In retrospect I should have done some minor pranks that way [13:41] Pendulum: now that's security! [13:42] hey so, just so I'm sure [13:42] lool [13:42] 1400UTC is in 15 minutes right? [13:42] yes [13:42] mhall119: i might try that [13:42] :D [13:42] he left [13:43] mhall119: I was the most techie person in the office. When my boss switched from an iMac to a mac mini and screen, she didn't realise she had 2 things she had to make sure were plugged in. [13:44] Pendulum: been there done that [13:45] I just worry about any place where I'm their tech support ;-) [13:51] mhall119: its company policy here to prank people [13:55] healthboard place I worked in people wrote their passwords on a sticky and left on desk and then once a month added a 1,2,3 4 to it [13:55] very secure [13:55] jcastro, you spamming the other irc channels to remind them [13:55] I just got back home - so I'll tweet and stuff now [13:58] cooh [13:58] I social media'ed already [13:58] but I did forget #ubuntu, so got it! [13:59] cool :-) [13:59] just FB'd and g+ [13:59] crap I hate the enter key [13:59] just fb'd and g+'d my streams with the info [14:17] popey: ask me a question in the classroom [14:18] done [14:48] jcastro: Nice to see you got started :) [14:49] akgraner, would you mind swapping your UOW session with my second one on Wednesday? I've just realised it overlaps with the community team call [14:49] no worries - make it so :-) [14:51] thanks akgraner! [14:52] anytime :-) [14:57] akgraner, timetable updated, thanks [14:57] dpm, thanks for handling that [14:57] :-) [15:00] kim0, all set? [15:00] yeah [15:00] kim0, ok, just give me a few mins [15:00] cool [15:01] kim0, some sound issues, rebooting [15:01] sure [15:04] jcastro, funn sesson - thanks! [15:04] fun even [15:04] woo! [15:05] jcastro: good session! [15:05] just linked the logs to your session :-) [15:05] I didn't create a whole new page just linked the the logs - easier that way [15:05] but we are missing the link to last cycles open week sessions [15:06] jcastro, or nigelb can you all add them to the header? [15:06] I'm multitasking, but later today for sure. [15:06] nigelb, k - I just didn't know if anyone realized that or not [15:07] mhall119: or nigelb [15:08] is there a way to override the "same track next slot!" thing? [15:08] I don't even know what you're asking [15:08] basically [15:08] be able to schedule an entire afternoon with one track [15:08] like how linaro did [15:09] james_w: ^ [15:09] ah, leadership summit? [15:09] just manually push those into the schedule [15:09] and turn off autoschedule for those sessions [15:09] jcastro, you can do it for a particular track [15:09] (that's what I think linaro did) [15:09] ah [15:09] but that would be global right? [15:09] jcastro: for the track, yes [15:10] so you'll have to create a new track for rit. [15:10] ok, how about making a "leadership summit" track then? [15:10] right [15:10] ok on it [15:10] \o/ colors [15:10] pick a color so we can fix the css for it. [15:10] don't break it [15:10] yeah. [15:10] nigelb: fix what css? [15:10] mhall119: The color for each track is still in CSS right? [15:10] no [15:10] where have you been? [15:10] no [15:10] it's in the admin tool [15:10] it's in the database now, part of the Track record [15:11] mhall119: oooooooh [15:11] I selected a nice pastel palette. :) [15:11]