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pittiGood morning04:20
TheMusoMorning pitti.04:29
TheMusoI like, but dislike the start of a new cycle.04:29
pittihey TheMuso04:30
pittiTheMuso: mmm, dialectic statements in the early morning :)04:30
TheMusoIts the merges I don't like, but planning for the next cycle is fun.04:31
TheMusoOr I don't enjoy merges.04:31
RAOFHey pitti :)04:32
pittiTheMuso: do less of them, try to get stuff into Debian or upstream :)04:34
pittiTheMuso: it's rather easy these days to get the Debian guys to share development in their trees04:35
TheMusopitti: Oh I know.04:35
TheMusoBut I still don't enjoy it.04:35
pittiTheMuso: but yes, some will always remain, and they are kind of boring04:35
pittiit's a good time for reviewing patches etc.04:36
TheMusoI agree with that yes.04:36
pittiRAOF: ugh, SRUs are a real whack-a-rat game these times :)04:39
RAOFpitti: Yeah.  I was going to ask you - how do we deal with stuff like vlc, which is just a new upstream bugfix release?  Wave it through?  (Although vlc also has other issues, like being a sync from Debian which blows away the oneiric changelog, and a bug in an improper state)04:41
pittiRAOF: I'm generally a bit sceptical about these, unless it's a blessed MRE; I usually look through the diff and see whether there's something which doesn't look appropriate (lots of new code, new dependencies, etc.)04:44
RAOFIt's got a very sizeable diff.  Although a surprising amount of it is no-op comment changes in the translation files :)04:47
pittiRAOF: that usually comes from merging the .po files against the latest upstream versions; harmless noise04:48
RAOFYeah; about 100K lines of harmless noise, in this case :)04:48
didrocksgood morning05:45
pittibonjour didrocks05:50
didrocksguten morgen pitti. How was your week-end?05:50
pittididrocks: pretty calm, for a change; had some friends over, some reading, gardening, and lots of idling :)05:51
pittihow was your's?05:51
didrockswas nice, removed 4 radiators, put 3 new ones, and a lot of walking in the city :)05:55
pittididrocks: some sightseeing/culture?05:56
didrockspitti: sightseeing mostly (Julie still doesn't know the full city ;)) and just enjoying the last sunny week-end together :-)05:57
pittiindeed, was sunny here as well (but quite cold already)05:57
RAOFThat's a lot of radiators.  I might be missing context :)05:57
TheMusoRAOF: heaters I suspect.05:59
didrocksRAOF: heh, just that the previous heaters were just basic electric one where you can burn yourself if you touch them. I bought some that doesn't use so much power than the previous one06:00
RAOFI'm always a fan of not burning myself on household surfaces :)06:01
smspillazhi @ all06:03
RAOFHey smspillaz06:03
smspillazdidrocks: hi :)06:12
didrockshey smspillaz06:12
smspillazdidrocks: do you know when the timer is up for compiz ?06:12
didrockssmspillaz: next Wednesday, has we pushed a version on Wednesday IIRC06:12
smspillazthere's some stuff that got clobbered in the process of making the patches, so I'm just fixing that up now, so I'll have a merge proposal to fix all that up06:13
* smspillaz did a diff between lp:../oneiric and the distro version with the patches applied and noticed that there are bits and pieces missing06:13
didrockssmspillaz: can you precise?06:15
didrockssmspillaz: please don't add diff for the purpose of adding diff from the previous version, think about the SRU team who reviews all patches06:16
smspillazdidrocks: some of the fixes are not working exactly as they should because there are bits and pieces missing http://paste.ubuntu.com/710581/06:21
smspillazdidrocks: I can add a comment to each bit explaining what it does if you want06:21
didrockssmspillaz: do you have the list of bugs that aren't fixed then? :/06:21
smspillazsure, hang on06:22
didrockspitti: FYI ^06:22
smspillazdidrocks: I'll comment on each of those bugs with the missing diff06:22
didrockssmspillaz: are there only bugs not fixed?06:22
smspillazdidrocks: what do you mean ?06:22
didrockssmspillaz: is there some side-effect to not have the full patch?06:22
didrockssmspillaz: and how come we only had partial diff?06:22
didrocksit reminds me that the empty patches you gave to me06:23
smspillazdidrocks: yes, I will explain in each bug, and we only had partial diffs likely because we got clobbered patches due to the divergence with trunk :)06:23
didrocksdo you check that the patch applies or do you just reforce it?06:23
didrocksso you had patch rejected06:23
smspillazoh, I checked they applied06:23
didrocksand didn't read the output?06:23
smspillazright, I had to refresh some of them06:23
smspillazI read the output06:23
didrockswell, you gave me empty patches at some point06:23
smspillazthat was a while back, I fixed those06:23
didrocksso how come there are missing chunks?06:24
smspillazcontext changes, some patches overlapped, etc06:24
smspillazthe diff with the tarballs is getting quite big now, you know that errors can occur due to this :)06:24
didrocksyeah, but apparently, it's more than one error06:25
didrocksand not the first time06:25
didrocksso I want to understand so that it's avoided in the future06:26
didrockswhat missed? more rigor?06:26
smspillazit will be avoided in the future when I get trunk into a state where you can just pull from it :)06:26
smspillaz(and I'm almost done with that :))06:26
didrocksI mean for Oneiric?06:26
didrocksI guess we will still have some released06:26
didrocksso, how can we do this for Oneiric?06:26
smspillazdiff -r theoneiricbranch theubuntubranch06:27
smspillazat least thats how I caught these :)06:27
didrockssmspillaz: so can you do that next time before?06:28
didrocksso that I don't end up notifying you of empty patches06:28
didrockssmspillaz: ok, so, do you have the list of bugs?06:28
smspillazthe empty patches occur usually when some patches overlap06:28
didrocksthat are impacted06:28
smspillazI'm just collecting them all now06:28
didrocksyeah, and the output tells you "can't apply chuck…"06:29
didrocksso I have hard time to understand how you read the output :)06:29
smspillazright, so usually I go in to fix it in the source, and then its already there :)06:34
smspillazand then it happens that some *other* patch comes along and removes that same chunk :)06:34
didrockssmspillaz: so rigor and wondering why it doesn't apply was the issue again, right?06:37
smspillazof course06:38
smspillazthings just get ... complicated when you've got about 15 or so bugfix patches which all touch the same bit of code :)06:38
smspillazdidrocks: anyways, what I'll do right now is go in and fix each individual patch, they all have bug numbers attached to them and then I will comment on each bug and give you the list of bugs that are affected with the diff once that's done06:39
didrockssmspillaz: well, it's just a question of keeping calm and being rigorous. Doing one thing after another06:40
didrockswhich is the same when I have a unity release and 10+ updates to handle06:40
didrockssmspillaz: yes, please, give me the list of failure, so that pitti can be aware about them and we can remove them from the SRU list06:40
didrocksit's just a week lost and a pity…06:40
smspillazdidrocks: well, we can do this for the next SRU, right ?06:41
pittididrocks: why a week lost?06:41
smspillazand then we'll just mark them as fix-committed rather than fix released06:41
didrockssmspillaz: well, right now, the SRU will be blocked06:41
pittididrocks: there was one bug in the current SRUs which had a (questionable) failure, but that woudln't block -updates promotion06:41
didrockssmspillaz: because registered bugs as SRU won't be pushed, hence we need to clean the list06:41
didrockspitti: some bugs on the list won't be fixed apparently06:42
didrockspitti: so we need to remove them from the list06:42
smspillazI'll make it clear those that the missing bits are harmless, they just don't *completely* fix some bugs06:42
didrocksas the full patches weren't deliver (I even get, as I mentioned before, some empty patches that I spotted)06:42
smspillaz(eg, there's some edge cases where you might still get the bug)06:42
didrockssmspillaz: yeah, that's why we need this list, to pop them out of the SRU list06:42
didrockssmspillaz: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html06:43
didrockssmspillaz: see compiz and cpm on the oneiric lsit06:43
didrockssmspillaz: green are confirmed bug fixes, red is failure and blue are untested06:43
smspillazdidrocks: yeah, so 866752 might still happen in some cases, but the majority of other cases are fixed at least06:44
didrockssmspillaz: just get the list so that we can act on them :)06:44
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smspillazsure, doing that now :)06:44
didrockssmspillaz: 4.24.0 is already out, what bugs have set to fix committed last Friday?06:56
didrockssmspillaz: I see https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/86311406:56
ubot2Launchpad bug 863114 in unity "Cannot raise window from panel after minimize" [High,Fix committed]06:56
* didrocks retargets to 4.2606:56
didrockssmspillaz: needs the other06:56
didrockssmspillaz: urgh, all bugs are fix released already06:57
didrockssmspillaz: I kept them fix committed for my script removing the cruft for the rest :/06:57
didrocks*sigh* will spend another 2 hours on it opening every bugs one after another06:58
smspillazdidrocks: someone changed them to fix released ?06:59
* RAOF is unconvinced that adding 3000 lines of staging zcache driver and hooking it up to all the filesystems is appropriate for an SRU...07:06
pittiRAOF: *nod* that sounds a bit excessive07:06
RAOFHm.  In addition to a bunch of config changes.  There may need to be a little education :)07:08
smspillazdidrocks: ok, repatching done, updating the bugs now07:22
didrockssmspillaz: can you send the list back?07:22
rickspencer3didrocks, good morning07:25
didrockshey rickspencer307:26
smspillazdidrocks: sure thing :)07:26
rickspencer3didrocks, is the recipe for how to clean out your history from Unity written down anywhere?07:27
didrocksrickspencer3: you mean, in alt + F2?07:27
rickspencer3didrocks, nah, I was going to work on an indicator to turn off collecting dash history, and having a command to clear it out07:28
rickspencer3you told me how to do it a while back, so I was wondering if it was actually written down in a blog or bug or something about how to do it07:28
didrocksrickspencer3: basically, it's removing zeitgeist history, I think some sqlite requests will be needed if you don't want to remove everything. kamstrup wouldd know more.07:29
RAOFThere's an app for that :)07:29
RAOF(Isn't there?)07:29
didrocksyeah, in gnome-activity-journal07:29
didrocksrickspencer3: if you want to do it manually, it's about killing zeitgeist-daemon and zeitgeist-datahub, then rm ~/.local/share/zeitgeist/07:30
didrocksthere is a cache in unity, so a new search is then needed to clear it up IIRC07:31
rickspencer3RAOF, I want to make an indicator, so you can go into "stealth" mode, will gnome-activity-journal do that?07:31
didrocksno, it didn't support last time I check07:31
rickspencer3didrocks, I seem to recall that you have to move the gnome mru list too07:31
didrocksbut I guess it was planned07:31
didrocksrickspencer3: oh right, for datahub not picking it back07:32
rickspencer3I'll look around at the activity journal07:32
RAOFrickspencer3: I don't know, but a naive d-feet suggests that you might want to try disabling all the datasources in /org/gnome/zeitgeist/data_source_registry07:33
didrocksRAOF: it doesn't clean the history though07:34
RAOFdidrocks: Yeah, but that doesn't sound like what rickspencer3's after, which would be a ?private browsing? mode.  You don't need to clean the history if you don't generate any?07:35
didrocksI'm not sure :) can be as well "for now, I just want to start in a clean mode so that nobody can see my $very_private_reports while I'm doing a presentation"07:36
smspillazdidrocks: bugs 864330 864478 865696 807487 79659407:37
ubot2Launchpad bug 864330 in compiz "The larger windows, moving towed." [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/86433007:37
smspillazI think some of them are targed for SRU1 though07:37
smspillazso I guess we should retarget all the ones that *were* SRU0 to SRU1 and then change the status to fix committed ?07:38
didrockssmspillaz: not all, but all from that list, yeah07:38
smspillazsure thing07:38
smspillazdidrocks: the only one that needs changing from fixreleased to fixcommitted is that one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz-core/+bug/86447807:40
ubot2Launchpad bug 864478 in compiz "Window shading is broken" [Undecided,Fix committed]07:40
RAOFWindow shading was *expected* to work? :)07:40
smspillazRAOF: it got broken a bit by some changes I did to the reparenting code07:40
smspillazRAOF: I was fixing a focus bug when I noticed that it handled the shading case and then I actually tried to shade a window and then it made my window disappear07:41
smspillazits mostly fixed now, except that compiz paints the full frame of the window rather than the shaded one07:41
didrockssmspillaz: apart from bug #864330, none of them was pushed on the SRU list07:41
ubot2Launchpad bug 864330 in compiz "The larger windows, moving towed." [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/86433007:41
didrockssmspillaz: there is no patch with those numbers07:41
smspillazdidrocks: I think its the same as 86675207:42
smspillazdidrocks: I'll dupe it07:42
didrockssmspillaz: yeah, duplicate please07:42
didrockssmspillaz: so, that's normal that they weren't pushed, I don't get what was wrong then with those07:42
didrocksall of this is so confusing, as always with compiz :)07:42
smspillazdidrocks: you mean everything apart from 864330 ?07:43
smspillazdidrocks: there were slight deviations07:43
didrockssmspillaz: yeah, see the bug #07:43
smspillazso I corrected them07:43
didrockssmspillaz: there was not on the patch + SRU fixed list you gave to me last time07:43
smspillazdidrocks: and then there were a few patches that were missing which were targed for SRU1 anyways, so I did those07:43
didrockssmspillaz: ok, so you meant, patches that were missing07:44
didrocksnot half-pushed patches07:44
smspillazright, but they were targed for SRU1 anyways07:44
smspillazdidrocks: I'll set up a merge proposal now07:44
didrockssmspillaz: well, wait for the other version to be pushed07:44
smspillazgrrrrr, why does skype break the kde plugin07:44
didrockssmspillaz: I know you will have more07:44
smspillazdidrocks: :)07:45
smspillazdidrocks: right, although I'm doing all the merge proposals today since I need to take some time off to finish some uni work07:45
didrockspitti: RAOF: new nux and unity (finally \o/) proposed in… -proposed :)07:45
didrockssmspillaz: sure, ensure the test case is there07:45
smspillazdidrocks: yep07:45
didrockspitti: running since Wednesday, then, noticed some regressions and cherry-pick on Thursday and Friday07:46
didrockspitti: running since Friday reasonably well here07:46
smspillazRAOF: what's a huge window size that's more than the max_texture_size that I can set which won't return a BadAlloc ?07:49
RAOFsmspillaz: 8888 x 1?07:51
SweetsharkBonjour, Good morning, Moin!07:55
* Sweetshark survived Libreoffice conference in Paris.07:56
chrisccoulsongood morning everyone07:57
pittihey Sweetshark, welcome back; was it interesting?07:57
pittihey chrisccoulson07:58
chrisccoulsonhi pitti, how are you?07:58
didrocksgood morning Sweetshark, chrisccoulson07:58
chrisccoulsonhi didrocks07:58
Sweetsharkpitti: oh, yes. I wonder how I will be abl to write a trip report that wont be a book.08:07
Sweetsharkpitti: and making it to slashdot twice with the first conference is also a nice achivement, I guess. http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/11/10/15/010253/libreoffice-going-online-and-mobile and http://developers.slashdot.org/story/11/10/14/1531252/openoffice-is-dying-and-ibm-wont-help08:08
smspillazdidrocks: ok, testacses done08:09
pittibonjour seb12808:21
seb128hey pitti, how are you?08:21
pittiseb128: pretty good, thanks! how about you?08:21
didrockssalut seb12808:21
seb128pitti, got a small start of cold over the w.e but otherwise I'm good thanks08:22
seb128lut didrocks08:22
pittiseb128: hope it won't be too bad :/08:24
seb128yeah, seems to be ok for now so let's see how it goes08:25
mptGood morning folks ... I have a quiz question: Other than Ubuntu, which Gnome-using OSes have a guest session feature? (This is relating to redesigning Startup Applications)08:26
chrisccoulsonhi seb12808:26
mptDoes Debian, for example?08:27
rickspencer3 mpt I08:27
seb128hey chrisccoulson, mpt, rickspencer308:28
seb128how are you?08:28
rickspencer3m pretty sure that Guest session is a Ubuntu innovation, and that it's pitti08:28
rickspencer3bonjour seb12808:28
seb128mpt, nobody else has a guest session that I know about08:28
rickspencer3je vais tres bien08:28
rickspencer3et tois?08:28
seb128rickspencer3, je vais bien merci !08:28
Sweetsharkhttp://people.gnome.org/~michael/data/2011-10-10-lool-demo.webm <- anyone interested in Libreoffice in the browser should have a look at that video btw08:36
seb128hey Sweetshark08:36
seb128I've seen it, it seems the same desktop ui copied in a web browser08:36
Sweetsharkits libreoffice running in firefox via gtk3/broadway08:37
seb128it's nice but not really impressive either, I would think a web version would be much simpler and with a nicer ui08:37
Sweetsharkseb128: well, it is really a proof-of-concept only. But getting the ui simpler is not the hard part.08:38
seb128Sweetshark, speaking of libreoffice do you know if there is any chance it stops using gnome-vfs next cycle? ;-)08:39
Sweetsharkseb128: I have seem "Cloudoffice" and they tried to recreate OOo by a rewrite from scratch. It was a mess for all the layouting etc. to get real WYSIWYG.08:39
seb128gnomevfs is deprecated for years and only on CD because of libreoffice now, I wish they would clean their desktop code rather than doing web prototypes :p08:40
seb128Sweetshark, yeah, the issue is to compete with i.e google doc, not going to be easy ;-)08:40
mptthanks seb12808:40
seb128mpt, yw08:40
rickspencer3didrocks, after I kill z-daemon and z-datahub and delete the dir, files, I just start z-daemon again, or does unity start it for me?08:41
Sweetsharkseb128: If you give me an action item about it and either a) kill enough of the other action items for me or b) get me more human resources, sure.08:41
didrocksrickspencer3: the lens will start it for you08:41
didrocksrickspencer3: so it should reconnect08:41
rickspencer3thanks didrocks08:41
rickspencer3so, for delete my history it08:41
rickspencer3s easy08:41
seb128Sweetshark, I'm not in a position to give action items but I can bring it up to jasoncwarner_ and pitti at UDS ;-)08:42
rickspencer3for "private browsing mode" I guess I need to make the dirs and files read only08:42
seb128uninstall zg, easier ;-)08:42
didrocksquite a harsh solution, but I guess yeah :-)08:42
didrockskamstrup: will zg survive ? ^08:42
seb128the issue is that if you i.e delete recently-used.xbl you will loose all your '"recently open" in applications08:43
seb128i.e gedit's fileselectors or file menu08:43
didrocksseb128: I guess that's the goal08:43
seb128didrocks, I tend to want to clean the lens view there08:43
didrocksor mv it for a presentation08:43
seb128but I don't want to drop my gedit history08:43
loolGah, how many lools will I get due to the new LO web service08:43
Sweetsharkseb128: really, making the interface simple isnt too much of work compared to always getting the layout right.08:44
seb128hey lool08:44
loolHey seb128!  :-)08:44
didrockshey lool :-)08:44
seb128Sweetshark, right08:44
Sweetsharkhey, lool08:44
seb128didrocks, rickspencer3: use the guest session for demos ;-)08:44
loolI'll launch a web UI for Ubuntu Desktop and call it seb128-didrocks-ping!.webm08:44
rickspencer3seb128, I intent to get rich off of this app08:44
seb128lool, trying to make friends? ;-)08:44
rickspencer3it'll sell like hotcakes08:45
Sweetsharklol lool?08:45
didrocksseb128: I don't have credentials in my guest session to show install/uninstall demo :-)08:45
rickspencer3I deleted ~/.local/share/zeitgeist, and it's not coming back ;)08:46
seb128didrocks, good point, use a demo account ;-)08:46
rickspencer3maybe I need to do something08:46
didrocksseb128: yeah, not a nice woarkaround :)08:46
seb128pfiou, I had 1200 bug emails in my launchpad desktop box from the w.e08:46
didrocksrickspencer3: not coming back -> zg?08:46
seb128down to 781 by cleaning the janitor expiration emails08:46
seb128that's a good thing ;-)08:46
didrocksrickspencer3: even if you open a lens ?08:47
seb128still 781 emails, hate releases :p08:47
didrocksseb128: you can take some rest now, you just triaged more than 60% :-)08:47
didrocksah down to08:47
didrocksso no, 40% :)08:47
czajkowskiMorning folks09:02
didrockshey czajkowski09:03
czajkowskiI see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/875054  bug is back again :/09:03
ubot2Launchpad bug 875054 in linux "[Oneiric][Regression[ Oneiric spontaneously powers off" [Undecided,Confirmed]09:03
czajkowskithat used to happen me in natty the whole time09:03
rickspencer3didrocks, so, I killed z-daemon ... then went to use the dash, it doesn't look like z-daemon started up again09:06
rickspencer3I had to manually restart it, which made it build a new ~/.local/share/zeitgest, btw09:07
tkamppeterrodrigo_, hi09:08
rodrigo_hi tkamppeter09:08
tkamppeterAny new ideas about the s-c-p problem with gnome-shell?09:09
tkamppeterrodrigo_, ^09:09
rodrigo_tkamppeter, not much, have been thinking about it, I can see only 2 solutions: leave it as it is, or use s-c-p also in gnome-shell09:10
tkamppeterrodrigo_, I would prefer the latter.09:11
rodrigo_tbh, I'd prefer to leave it as it is09:11
rodrigo_for oneiric I mean09:12
didrocksrickspencer3: interesting, and did you try to just kill one lens daemon?09:12
rodrigo_I haven't seen many complains from users, have you tkamppeter?09:12
rickspencer3didrocks, what I did was kill zeitgeist-daemon09:13
didrocksrickspencer3: maybe only restarting the lens daemon restarts zg, which is a bug in this case (and wasn't doing that before IIRC)09:13
rickspencer3this killed zeitgeist-datahub for me09:13
rodrigo_brb, need to reboot09:13
rickspencer3then messing around in the dash didn't restart it09:13
rickspencer3didrocks, this is actually better for me, if it works this way09:13
didrocksrickspencer3: try killing unity-application-daemon for instance and start the application lens09:13
rickspencer3I can just "turn off" zeitgeist-daemon by killing it09:13
rickspencer3and then "turn it on" again09:14
didrocksrickspencer3: yeah, that's better, but still an issue we should fix for Precise though :-)09:14
rickspencer3didrocks, how is it an issue?09:15
rickspencer3a user kills zeitgeist, it should stay dead09:15
didrocksrickspencer3: that means that if zg crash, nothing restart it until you restart the lenses09:15
rickspencer3I hate when I try to kill things and they just respawn09:15
didrocksso no more search will work until you restart the session/restart the lens09:16
rickspencer3didrocks, the lens still works09:16
rickspencer3it's just that zeitgeist has stopped logging data09:16
didrockswithout zg running? you get new results for new search?09:16
didrocks(not just the cached ones)09:16
rickspencer3didrocks, I dunno, I deleted the databases09:16
rickspencer3let me try out the different scenarios09:17
rickspencer3didrocks, I did not get new results, because the whole point was to make it stop logging results :)09:17
didrocksrickspencer3: yeah, but I'm thinking about the "normal crash" case :)09:18
rickspencer3didrocks, I think it would be nice if z-daemon had an interface so you could tell it to start and stop logging09:19
rickspencer3and to clear data as well09:19
rickspencer3maybe I'll see about adding that for precise09:19
didrocksrickspencer3: we discussed that this morning with kamstrup09:20
didrocksrickspencer3: he agreed on the dbus interface09:20
rickspencer3nm ;)09:20
didrocksbut sure, for precise :-)09:20
didrocksyour workaround will be good enough for oneiric I guess :-)09:20
didrocksand you can make billions :p09:20
rickspencer3didrocks, I will invite you to my Italian Villa that I plan to buy with the proceeds09:21
seifrickspencer3, we do have an interface for that09:22
rickspencer3seif, do tell09:22
tkamppeterrodrigo_, only complaint I am aware of is the bug we are discussing (and your need to reboot :-).09:22
rodrigo_tkamppeter, right, so doesn't seem too critical to justify a UI change at this time for oneiric, right?09:23
tkamppeterrodrigo_, OK. Can you close the bug then?09:23
seifrickspencer3, http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/05/activity-log-manager-for-zeitgeist-lets-you-blacklist-files-and-apps-delete-your-history-more/09:24
seifrickspencer3, we allow disabling logging over dbus already09:24
rickspencer3seif, I see09:24
seifand this is just a UI09:24
rickspencer3seif, can you point me to the API docs?09:24
rodrigo_tkamppeter, leave it open for P I guess?09:25
tkamppeterrodrigo_, OK.09:25
seifrickspencer3, gimmie a moment09:26
seifwe changed the api in 0.809:26
seifdont think we documented this part yet09:26
seifas in we changed the api of the blacklist extnesion for zeitgeist09:27
seifnot of zeitgeist09:27
didrocksseif: that doesn't enable going in some kind of "private mode" though?09:27
seifdidrocks, it does09:27
didrocksoh nice, even kamstrup wasn't aware then :)09:27
rickspencer3seif, I just want to tell zeitgeist to stop logging, and then to tell it to start logging again09:27
rickspencer3is there a code sample to show me how to do that?09:27
seifrickspencer3, yes09:27
seifthe code i can give you09:27
rickspencer3seif, sweet09:28
rickspencer3python by change?09:28
seifdidrocks, bascially u give it an empty event to blakclist and it tops logging09:28
seifrickspencer3, its in python09:28
tkamppeterrodrigo_, can you at least add a comment to the bug? Thanks.09:29
rickspencer3seif, sweet09:29
rickspencer3hit me up ;)09:29
seifrickspencer3, i will give you a little 200 line bundle of code09:33
seifand show u how to use it09:33
rickspencer3200 lines!09:33
seifu justn eed 2 mehtods09:33
seifenable and disable09:33
seifrickspencer3, http://paste.ubuntu.com/710695/09:34
seifwhat u want to do is then09:34
* rickspencer3 looks09:34
seifincognito = IncognitoBlacklist()09:35
seifand ur done09:35
rickspencer3seif, do I turn it back on with set_incognito(False)09:35
seifso just copy this code i sent you somehwere09:35
seifrickspencer3, yes09:35
rickspencer3seif, so this is a library you wrote?09:36
seifrickspencer3, yep09:36
seifits covers the zeitgeist-blacklist extension09:36
seifit wraps aorund dbus09:36
rickspencer3damn I hate dbus programming09:40
seifrickspencer3, it also works with the vala zeitgeist09:40
rickspencer3every. f'ing. time.09:40
seifrickspencer3, tell me what you want me to do i can do it for you09:40
seifi got some time on my hand09:40
rickspencer3seif,  it's not your fault09:40
seifand i miss python programing09:40
rickspencer3it's this crap:09:40
rickspencer3RuntimeError: To make asynchronous calls, receive signals or export objects, D-Bus connections must be attached to a main loop by passing mainloop=... to the constructor or calling dbus.set_default_main_loop(...)09:40
seifi feel ur pain09:41
rickspencer3whenever we tell app developers to use dbus, we may as well tell them not to program for Ubuntu09:41
uksysadminwell I had fun (and judging by the increase in traffic to my blog on a fix) upgrading from 11.04 to 11.10. who do I need to kick over it breaking networking for lots people? ;-)09:44
seifrickspencer3, thus the library :)09:44
seifdidrocks, r u up for testing the new zeitgeist with us09:45
seifwe have been doing some internal tests09:45
didrocksseif: well, still on SRUs there and trying to get things in shape09:46
didrocksseif: is this a bug fix only release?09:46
mvo uksysadmin: there is a open bug about this against network-manager #85937309:46
seifdidrocks, nope09:46
rickspencer3seif, indeed09:46
seifits the vala port (which fixes tons of bugs with it)09:46
rickspencer3however, I am dead in the water09:46
didrocksseif: hum, I'll maybe try next week then, I prefer to keep on the current platform :)09:46
rickspencer3I can't figure out how to tell dbus to use my main loop09:47
didrocksseif: just ping me back in a week09:47
seifrickspencer3, how can i help you09:47
seifwhat is ur idea09:47
seifi could hack it for you :)09:47
didrocksseif: and we will try to push it asap in precise09:47
rickspencer3seif, how do other people contend with the error I am getting in their apps?09:47
seifi bug my team to fix my code for me :)09:48
seifnot optimal09:48
rickspencer3seif, heh09:48
didrocksrickspencer3: from dbus.mainloop.glib import DBusGMainLoop09:48
seifrickspencer3, but what is ur idea09:48
rickspencer3I think there is something I can do when I am setting up my gtk.main loop09:48
didrocks    DBusGMainLoop(set_as_default=True)09:48
didrocks    loop = GObject.MainLoop()09:48
didrocksisn't what you need?09:48
rickspencer3thanks didrocks09:48
uksysadminmvo, I don't believe that's the issue I saw and '000s others: http://uksysadmin.wordpress.com/2011/10/14/upgrade-to-ubuntu-11-10-problem-waiting-for-network-configuration-then-black-screen-solution/09:48
rickspencer3didrocks, prolly09:48
rickspencer3didrocks, I've struggled with this before09:48
uksysadminlooks like an upgrade didn't sort out the filesystem properly creating multiple places for runtime files and locks09:48
didrocksrickspencer3: it's important to run DBusGMainLoop before calling your gtk main loop09:49
rickspencer3so, this all looks familiar09:49
rickspencer3didrocks, righ09:49
uksysadminRelated to this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dbus/+bug/811441/09:49
ubot2Launchpad bug 811441 in dbus "Unable to connect to the system bus: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: Connection refused (oneiric) (dup-of: 858122)" [Medium,Confirmed]09:49
ubot2Launchpad bug 858122 in ubuntu-release-notes "incomplete migration to /run (shutdown script order has been demolished)" [High,In progress]09:49
mvouksysadmin: oh, indeed, this is a different one09:51
mvouksysadmin: do you happen to know if its only vmware workstation that triggers this? or can it happen for other reasons too?09:52
uksysadmineffectively broke my installation and many others... reboot... waiting 3mins for boot, then presented with black screen09:52
uksysadminreal hardware09:52
mvouksysadmin: no question that this is a serious issue09:52
uksysadminshowstopper for many09:52
uksysadminif the fix is to symlink /var/run to /run and /var/lock /to /run/lock it seems the upgrade forgot that the old areas (/var/run and /var/lock) exist and maybe can't be removed as they're in use to allow for 11.10 to point this all to /run which is now a tmpfs09:55
uksysadminon a clean install of 11.10 /var/run and /var/lock are symlinks to /run and /run/lock09:55
uksysadmineasy-ish fix once you know how, but for many desktop users and Ubuntu's image of it being a preferred desktop linux of choice due to it "just working" broke that in 11.1009:56
mvouksysadmin: is this analysis already in the bugreport? sorry, I have not read it all, but Steve Slangasek commented in it twice,  I wonder if all information is in the bugreport09:58
uksysadminlet me do some searching to see if this is explicitly stated in a bug and add this if necessary09:59
uksysadminLooks like a hsatntanna added this already in comment #48 referencing my blog10:01
didrockspitti: what's the process to add a script to the crontab and generating some reports under people.canonical.com/~platform ?10:04
pittididrocks: JFDI10:04
didrocksah? ok, seems easy enough :-)10:05
pittididrocks: in case you didn't know, you can do sudo -u platform -i10:05
didrockspitti: now that you mention it, I remember an email with that :-)10:05
pittide rien :)10:05
didrocksmerci beaucoup ;)10:05
uksysadminBug #858122 has this as high importance but many posts on it reference moving init scripts around which I don't beleive is the case10:06
ubot2Launchpad bug 858122 in ubuntu-release-notes "incomplete migration to /run (shutdown script order has been demolished)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/85812210:06
uksysadminI've updated that bug to reflect the impact too10:06
uksysadmin(added comment)10:06
ogra_desrt, are you aware that dconf-editor is close to unusable on 1024x600 ?10:31
ogra_(seems there is some auto-sizing stuff going on on in the right pane that always shrinks the entry field list to 1px or so)10:32
BigWhalewas the bug with nautilus-open-terminal plugin resolved?10:34
seb128ogra_, desrt doesn't maintain dconf-editor, robert_ancell does10:36
seb128BigWhale, it's a bug in ubuntuone-client-gnome and the sru is in -updates since today10:37
ogra_ah, i thought i saw his name in the changelog10:37
ogra_thanks !10:37
BigWhaleseb128, oh. thanks for the info10:37
geserogra_: is this similar to bug #715002?10:38
ubot2Launchpad bug 715002 in d-conf "dconf-editor window expands itself horizontally to fit descriptions" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/71500210:38
ogra_well, my issue is vertically10:39
ogra_but might be the same cause10:39
didrockshum, we don't have python-cairo (but we do have cairo) on people.canonical.com10:41
seb128ogra_, usually selecting another category and yours back workaround it10:43
seb128didrocks, open a rt I guess ;-)10:43
ogra_seb128, sadly not for me ... and the bad part is that it isnt resizable10:44
seb128ogra_, use gsettings (command line)10:44
didrocksseb128: yeah, I guess it will be the easier, just looking if meanwhile, I can copy the module10:46
didrocksmkdir mkdir cairo + __init__.py loading the .so doesn't seem to be enough10:46
seb128lunch time, bbia10:54
chrisccoulsonw00t, i have bluetooth again :)11:11
chrisccoulsonwhat a pain that was11:11
* chrisccoulson remembers never to buy a laptop without bluetooth again11:11
seb128chrisccoulson, your dell doesn't have bluetooth?!11:13
chrisccoulsonseb128, yeah. i only realized when i got it that they only offer it as an option on the higher end model with nvidia graphics11:15
chrisccoulsonwhich i didn't want ;)11:15
chrisccoulsonso i purchased the dell wireless 375 module and fitted it myself just now11:15
chrisccoulsonbut it wasn't fun11:15
chrisccoulsonit's underneath the left display hinge, which means you need to take the display and palm rest off11:16
chrisccoulsonand the palm rest screws are underneath things like the cpu heatsink11:16
seb128weird, my e6410 with intel video had bluetooth as an available option11:18
seb128it's weird that they have any latitude which doesn't let you pick blutooth11:18
seb128hum, I wonder if combo boxes closing as soon as they open in launchpad sometimes is a launchpad or firefox bug11:43
chrisccoulsonseb128, compiz11:45
chrisccoulsonfocus to another window and then back again11:45
CarlFKare there python bindings for gsettings?  I want to dump all the keys so I can grep  around for things like "play login sound"11:45
seb128chrisccoulson, stop blaming compiz for all the bugs :p11:46
chrisccoulsonwell, it doesn't happen in metacity or mutter ;)11:46
seb128CarlFK, you can use the gsettings command line utility to dump all the keys11:46
CarlFKseb128: "gsettings list-keys" wants a schema.. is there a wild card?11:47
CarlFKohh, I just saw monitor.. i bet I can use that to see what the gui does11:48
CarlFKarg.. it wants a schema too11:49
seb128CarlFK, list-recursively11:49
CarlFKwoo!  thanks11:50
Sweetsharkoh, this is going to be fun: The pirate party brought up charges against the bavarian minister of interior (for various crimes including computer sabotage).11:54
Sweetsharkwe live in interesting times.11:55
ogra_we certainly do, who would have guesses 8% for the pirates ever :)11:56
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seb128kenvandine, hey13:12
kenvandinehey seb12813:12
seb128kenvandine, how are you?13:12
kenvandinegood, and you?13:12
seb128kenvandine, I'm fine thanks13:15
kenvandinei am going to get a tp-indicator SRU release out today13:15
seb128kenvandine, if you have time could you do a triaging round on empathy bugs this week?13:15
kenvandinehopefully fix the crashers13:15
seb128kenvandine, there is a bunch of segfault and other issues, some could be due the indicator or unity integration glitches, some can be worth upstreaming13:16
seb128kenvandine, I noticed we got a bunch of bugs about it13:16
kenvandinefor empathy?13:16
seb128(well not only about, nothing compared to nautilus due to dobey's screwups)13:16
kenvandineempathy itself doesn't talk to the indicator anymore13:16
seb128kenvandine, yes13:16
seb128kenvandine, well we got a bunch of "don't get a blue icon" sort of bugs13:16
seb128kenvandine, and some others are likely upstream issues but still would be nice to triage a bit and upstream the important ones13:17
dobeyhey now13:17
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kenvandinehey dobey13:17
seb128I cleaned gnome-control-center and gedit previous week and I'm still catching up from the weekends feedback flood today ;-)13:17
dobeydon't be blaming me for that13:18
seb128cyphermox, hey, is there any chance you could do an evolution bug triage round to see if there is any issue worth having on the sru list today?13:19
seb128hey dobey13:19
* kenvandine would love to get that nasty evolution alarm notify bug fixed... it is killing me13:19
seb128dobey, we do blame you, we got a flood of unhappy nautilus users due to you! ;-)13:19
seb128kenvandine, what bug?13:19
dobeyall nautilus users are unhappy. but i didn't write nautilus, so don't blame me. blame eazel13:20
kenvandineit is fixed upstream, i think you commented that we would wait for the .113:20
kenvandineit pegs the CPU while notifying for all past events13:20
seb128kenvandine, the "reminder you from all the old meetings" one?13:20
kenvandinefor google calendars13:20
seb128well, GNOME 3.2.1 tarballs are due today13:20
seb128so not a long time to wait :p13:20
seb128quite a lot are out btw13:21
seb128if people feel like helping with SRUing some13:21
seb128I will update the pad13:21
dobeyblame the platform :)13:21
* didrocks will have time to start on updates in a hour13:21
seb128didrocks, thanks13:22
kenvandinegood morning njpatel!13:23
njpatelhey kenvandine13:23
njpatelkenvandine, how goes it?13:23
kenvandinenjpatel, good13:28
dobeyseb128: hrmm, that nautilus type-ahead bug doesn't happen for me13:28
seb128dobey, try changing folder13:29
seb128dobey, do you use the icon view?13:29
dobeyseb128: i did. backspaced all the way to /, and typed "et" and etc was selected13:29
seb128dobey, right, and the typeahead entry closed right?13:30
dobeylet me check again, but don't think so13:30
seb128dobey, ok, do that, type etc and type etc again13:30
dobeywell, it closed after a timeout13:30
seb128then type etc again13:30
seb128then try to use typeahead13:31
seb128here I type "etc", it selected it, I wait, I type "e", the selection unselects itself and typeahead is broken13:31
dobeyok, i hit another bug13:31
dobeybut not the one described13:31
seb128there as several variants13:32
seb128if you try to browse a few directories you will hit issues13:32
seb128like try to do etc, enter, apt, enter, sources.list13:32
seb128it's likely you will hit the typeahead entry closing while you are still typing13:32
seb128or the selection vanishing and typeahead which stops working13:33
dobeyseb128: it breaks after i hit "enter" on a selected folder from the typeahead, after which typeahead just stops working completely in that nautilus window13:33
dobeythe search window never pops up again, and typing does nothing13:34
seb128well it's not specific to enter13:34
seb128dobey, like if instead of typing "etc" you type "e" and enter it will enter etc and still work13:34
seb128but it will not clear the entry13:34
seb128then typing a letter will break it13:34
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dobeyoh well13:36
cyphermoxseb128: certainly13:39
seb128cyphermox, thanks, in fact I just noticed that the 3.2.1 evo tarballs are already out if you want to claim those on the etherpad and sru13:47
cyphermoxah, nice13:47
rodrigo_just found out why my laptop didn't boot with the 3.0 kernel14:02
rodrigo_seems the 'root (hd0,0)' line is incorrect14:03
rodrigo_I removed it and added 'root=/dev/sda1' to the kernel line14:03
rodrigo_so I guess this is a left over from an upgrade?14:03
rodrigo_doesn't happen on my desktop pc14:03
seb128rodrigo_, not sure, maybe mention it on #ubuntu-devel14:06
cyphermoxrodrigo_: afaik the root command and root= don't achieve the same things at all14:08
seb128rodrigo_, btw is bug #841280 still on your list? we keep getting duplicates, it's hitting quite some users (installing esperanto seems enough to trigger it for example)14:08
ubot2Launchpad bug 841280 in gnome-control-center "gnome-control-center crashed with SIGSEGV in count_languages_and_territories()" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/84128014:08
cyphermoxrodrigo_: are you failing to boot at grub (e.g. a syntax error or something in grub itself), or during boot when the initrd gets loaded (and possibly a message along the lines of "Invalid root")14:10
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dobeyrodrigo_: /dev/foo is no longer used to refer to devices, as they aren't guaranteed to be consistent across boots. UUID of partitions are usually used, but the hd0,0 syntax seems correct14:12
dobeyfor grub anyway14:12
rodrigo_dobey, it doesn't like it on my laptop though14:14
dobeydunno. bug the kernel kids i guess :)14:15
didrockspitti: you didn't push your gnome-menus cache changes, will be with the update in -proposed14:50
pittididrocks: ah, please not14:50
pittididrocks: I queued them for precise14:50
didrockspitti: ah ok, was wondering :)14:50
pittididrocks: sorry, you mean s/push/upload/?14:51
didrockswell, it's only gnome-menu, I'll diverge later then and do both upload for .114:51
pittiI thought I just pushed without uploading14:51
didrockspitti: yeah14:51
didrockspitti: hence I was wondering if you wanted that in -proposed or not14:51
pittino, these branches should be for the devel version only14:51
pittii. e. the /ubuntu ones14:51
didrocksbut message received, will do both upload :)14:51
pittiwe can create /oneiric etc. for SRUs?14:51
pittididrocks: cheers14:51
didrockspitti: well, that's what I proposed some cycle ago but I was the only one to use them…14:52
pittiI did that as well14:52
pittibranched, updated Vcs-Bzr, uploaded14:52
pittibut I'm not that fussed about which branches to use for SRUs14:52
didrocksI often noticed that people didn't look at Vcs-Bzr for -updates14:52
didrockssame for me14:52
didrocksjust noticed I spent more time reconciling the branch than working, so ended up to just apt-get source14:53
seb128didrocks, pitti: I usually use the vcs for srus until there is divergence then apt-get source14:56
seb128but I've nothing against others creating sru vcs-es, I just didn't feel it was worth doing before14:56
didrocksI don't care either way TBH, I'm using the vcs for where we don't diverge as well :)14:56
didrockswaow, gedit 3.2.1 replaced a GtkTable by a GtkGrid14:58
didrocksthat results in some code change…14:59
didrocksat least, it's only on the replace dialog, let's try to dogfood that15:00
CarlFKhow do I turn off the sound that plays on login?15:01
CarlFKscript is the ultimate goal, but I can't find a gui option15:02
seb128CarlFK, there is no gui option15:03
CarlFKcrazy.  I personally don't really care, but should that be logged as a bug? (guessing it already is)15:04
didrocksseb128: versions.html isn't updating anymore FYI. (and no, I didn't touch at the crontab yet ;))15:04
seb128didrocks, do you want me to have a look?15:04
didrocksseb128: I will have a look, just ensuring it's not on purpose15:04
seb128CarlFK, bug #84085815:05
ubot2Launchpad bug 840858 in gnome-control-center "No obvious way to disable Ubuntu startup sound" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/84085815:05
seb128didrocks, no, it stopped updating on friday it seems not sure why15:05
seb128guess something in the script didn't like the serie changes on launchpad15:05
didrocksseb128: yeah, ok, will look at it. Just testing a little bit more my new updates15:05
seb128(random guess)15:05
didrocksyeah, probably15:06
CarlFKseb128: thanks.15:10
seb128CarlFK, yw15:10
CarlFKany idea how I can do it from a script?  or where the patch is, maybe that will give me a clue15:11
mdeslaurseb128: is the user indicator switcher thingy gone from the default oneiric desktop? how do I remove it from mine?15:14
seb128mdeslaur, no it's not15:14
seb128you mean the menu with your name?15:14
mdeslaurseb128: yes, that one15:15
seb128it's hidden if there is only one user15:15
mdeslaurseb128: ah, guess mine's broken then15:15
seb128mdeslaur, or you can run dconf-editor -> apps -> indicator-sessions15:15
seb128there is a "user-show-menu" key15:15
mdeslaurhmm, I wonder why mine is showing and I only have 1 user15:17
didrocksseb128: wasn't it reverted even if you have one user?15:19
didrockslike, always show now?15:19
mdeslaurdidrocks: my default install on my test laptop doesn't show it15:19
didrocksmdeslaur: oh? ok, so a bug somewhere, I do see it there with only one user15:20
didrocksand when I asked I was told the decision was changed to always see it15:20
didrocks(but that was more than a month ago)15:20
seb128didrocks, not sure, but guest account count as an user as well15:21
seb128didrocks, if you disable guest account it might get hidden15:21
didrocksah, that can explain it if mdeslaur has remove the guest account :)15:21
mdeslauroh! let me try that15:22
seb128mdeslaur, did you disable the guest account?15:22
mdeslauryou know how paranoid us security people are15:22
didrocksthey disable everything! :p15:22
seb128mdeslaur, well you said "test laptop", I didn't knew you were paranoid about test machines as well :p15:22
mdeslaurseb128: I installed it to specifically test how to disable the guest account from appearing in lightdm, as I had some complaints from people way more paranoid than I am15:23
seb128mdeslaur, ;-)15:23
didrocksif this is really the case, the behavior makes sense15:24
mdeslaurseb128, didrocks: ok, confirmed15:24
mdeslaurmy fault, sorry for the noise15:24
seb128no worry15:24
seb128that also answers didrocks' question15:24
seb128they still hide it ;-)15:24
mdeslaurseb128: before I blog about it, there's no GUI to disable the guest account, right? it's a lightdm.conf setting only?15:25
seb128mdeslaur, correct15:26
mdeslaurseb128: ok, thanks15:26
didrocksgreat then, I think they have hidden it even with guest session being there first15:26
didrocksbut the current behavior is better15:26
seb128kenvandine, could you check on bug #871646?15:27
ubot2Launchpad bug 871646 in empathy "No notification for new messages" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87164615:27
* kenvandine looks15:28
seb128kenvandine, no clue about the bug, it just gets quite some comments15:29
mdeslauris not remember where your blog is hosted a sign that you should blog more?15:30
* didrocks would love a --verbose on version.py, not sure if it's stalled or something else :)15:30
didrockstime to get it and debug locally15:30
didrocksweird that the contrab refers to 06,36 * * * * ~/desktop/versions-update which doesn't exist though15:31
seb128didrocks, DEBUG=1 ./version.py15:32
seb128didrocks, but feel free to change for an environment to a command line option if you prefer15:32
seb128or to add the option15:33
didrocksseb128: ah nice, will use this for now15:33
seb128drwxr-xr-x 3 platform platform 4.0K 2011-10-14 10:56 desktop15:33
seb128didrocks, seems like somebody moved "versions-updated" on friday15:34
seb128it's not me I was off work on friday, maybe pitti did?15:34
didrocksseb128: yeah, seems to be just that, I'm running it manually once with debug info to see if it doesn't go crazy15:34
pittididrocks, seb128: I think I accidentally killed that when I cleaned up old stuff (we ran out of disk)15:35
didrocksah Unable to open URL: http://people.gnome.org/~vuntz/tmp/versions/versions-unstable, [Errno 110] Connection timed out15:35
didrockspitti: ahah, too many sweeping :-)15:35
pittiwhat is versions-update?15:35
seb128pitti, it was a15:35
pittiyeah, wrong globbing, sorry about that15:35
didrocksit's the script that bzr pull and run the script?15:35
seb128pitti, it was a 3 line wrapper to call the versions code15:35
seb128didrocks, yes15:35
didrockspitti: seb128: ok, readding it :)15:35
pittididrocks: thanks; sorry for the hassle15:36
seb128didrocks, thanks15:36
didrocksmystery solved!15:36
seb128didrocks, the <didrocks> ah Unable to open URL: http://people.gnome.org/~vuntz/tmp/versions/versions-unstable, [Errno 110] Connection timed out15:36
didrockspitti: no worry, better to know why :-)15:36
seb128doesn't look good though15:36
glatzorhello mvo, should we have a blueprint for the pk compat thingy in aptdaemon?15:36
didrockswell, it's all vuntz's fault :p15:36
glatzormvo, in preparation for UDS15:36
didrockslet's try again see if it was temporary, I can access it15:36
seb128didrocks, oh15:37
seb128let me restore versions-updates15:37
seb128I've a copye15:37
seb128export http_proxy=http://squid.internal:3128/15:37
seb128export ftp_proxy=http://squid.internal:3128/15:37
seb128cd versions; python versions.py; cp versions.html ../public_html15:37
didrocksseb128: oh great!15:37
seb128didrocks, pitti: ^ it does thaty15:37
didrocksok, that makes sense :)15:37
seb128the proxy are useful as well ;-)15:37
didrocksso that's how it can reach vuntz!15:37
seb128didrocks, restored15:39
didrocksthanks seb12815:39
seb128didrocks, yw, thanks for looking into it15:39
didrocksno worry15:40
seb128pitti, sorry we took those 179 octets back :p15:40
seb128you will need to find space somewhere else ;-)15:40
didrocks179 octets, are you fool! :-)15:40
pittiheh, np :) I deleted some 16 GB of old WI tracker data, plus some other old stuff15:41
* didrocks cleaned his ~ as well this morning on lillypilly, just noticed an old UNE iso :-) otherwise, nothing interesting, but just cleaning for cleaning15:41
didrockslet's make the script still tracking Oneiric I guess for the unapproved queue15:42
pittigood night everyone! time for taekwondo15:52
rodrigo_bye pitti15:53
seb128'night pitti15:57
didrocksenjoy your taekwondo pitti :)15:58
xclaesseseb128, didrocks: is there an important reason why we don't have gdm 3.2 in oneiric?16:00
jbichaxclaesse: GDM 3.2 doesn't work well in Ubuntu yet16:01
seb128xclaesse, define "important"? I think ricotz looked at it but didn't get it to work. Otherwise nobody cared enough to do the update since it's community maintained since we switched to lightdm for Ubuntu16:01
didrocksxclaesse: what jbicha said, people taking more deep look at this are jbicha and ricotz (as they look at GNOME Shell)16:02
seb128or "we had too much to do and it's a priority since it's not our default dm and nobody stepped up to help"16:02
jbichaand GDM 3.0 is stable as we've been using it for 6 months16:02
xclaesseyeah by "important" i meant something like does it totally break, or is it just like for totem lack of space, etc16:03
jbichaseb128: could you accept my totem in the oneiric-proposed queue?16:03
seb128jbicha, no, I'm not in the sru team, but pitti probably can16:03
xclaessedoes lightdm does on-screen keyboard?16:04
ricb17I'm having trouble accessing a windows DFS share via 10.4 LTS, but it works fine on 11.0416:04
jbichaseb128: oh ok16:04
jbichaxclaesse: there's an experimental GDM 3.2 build at https://launchpad.net/~tista/+archive/gtk3/+packages16:04
ricb17anyone have any suggestions on how to see what package may need to be upgraded?16:04
xclaesseseb128, FYI setting autologin user in gdm makes it not start at all on oneiric16:06
didrocksxclaesse: it can run onboard, yeah16:06
xclaessedidrocks, is that the small ugly window like 10 years ago, or a nice thing like caribou ?16:07
didrocksxclaesse: it's a tweak one, there are colors IIRC now for making it more accessible16:07
seb128or, done with catching up with the desktop bugs since thursday evening, it took me the day (well I replied and commented on quite some)16:09
seb128I'm out for a bit, need a work break ;-)16:09
didrocksseb128: stop taking holidays on Friday, see how bad it is! :-)16:10
didrocksseb128: enjoy, see you probably tomorrow!16:11
seb128didrocks, thanks, you as well!16:11
seb128rodrigo_, I noted you down for the g-s-d and g-c-c updates on the etherpad16:11
seb128didrocks, thanks for the other ones you took on16:11
didrocksyou're welcome16:11
didrocksseb128: stop adding back the one I steal! :-)16:13
rodrigo_seb128, yes, I'm 1st doing some testing to make sure nothing breaks16:13
seb128didrocks, lol, sorry about that, I though I deleted one by error16:13
didrocksjbicha: did you push gnome-utils anywhere? (seeing a staged change, but no upload)16:13
didrocksseb128: heh, no worry :)16:14
seb128didrocks, no, we said the fix could wait for the .1 upload for gnome-utils16:16
seb128so no upload16:16
jbichadidrocks: no, I didn't upload it16:17
didrocksseb128: jbicha: ok, thanks for confirming, I'll use this bug report :)16:17
CarlFKBug #840858   "... committed my fix to the ubuntu-desktop branch."   can you point me to that, or just tell me what gconf key I need to set16:34
ubot2Launchpad bug 840858 in gnome-control-center "No obvious way to disable Ubuntu startup sound" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/84085816:35
jbichaCarlFK: this is basically the fix: http://maketecheasier.com/disable-login-sound-in-ubuntu-oneiric-quick-tips/2011/09/1516:40
jbichamy change eliminates steps 1 and 216:40
rodrigo_ok, out for a bit, bbl16:41
CarlFKjbicha: thanks.  but I need to script it, "gsettings list-recursively |grep startup" nothing... where is the list of startup apps found?16:43
jbichaCarlFK: it's not in gsettings, it's in /etc/xdg/autostart/16:49
slangasekmvo: the upgrade hasn't "forgotten" /var/run and /var/lock; /etc/rc6.d has been scrambled, making it impossible for the migration code to run reliably16:52
CarlFKjbicha: thanks.  figured it was something like that16:56
didrocksok, time for some exercice and dinner, see you tomorrow everyone!16:58
kenvandinegood night didrocks16:58
didrockshave a good evening kenvandine :)16:59
xclaessejbicha, hmm, I've picked gdm from your ppa but it won't start :(17:07
xclaessepackage from there: https://launchpad.net/~tista/+archive/gtk3/+packages17:07
jbichaxclaesse: it's not my PPA and that answers your question of why it's not in Oneiric ;)17:08
jbichaxclaesse: when it's more usable, it will show up in https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3/17:09
ricotzxclaesse, be careful with this package!17:09
xclaessejbicha, ah that gnome3 ppa is still used...17:10
xclaesseI though it was only for backports to natty17:10
jbichaxclaesse: it's the new and improved gnome3 ppa!17:10
xclaessericotz, yeah, luckily I can fallback to lightdm to log again :p17:11
ricotzxclaesse, i mean this gdm package17:11
xclaessericotz, yep, that's what I mean, the package broken gdm here :)17:12
xclaessecan't log anymore, had to change to use lightdm17:12
ricotzyeah, this tista messed around with the packaging quite a bit, like (accidently) reverting a lot of patches17:14
CarlFKjbicha: where is the "[x] Gnome Login Sound" setting stored ?17:14
mvoslangasek: thanks17:24
maxbOk, so I've cp-ed /usr/share/themes/Radiance to /usr/share/themes/MyRadiance before I hack on it a bit, and changed the internal identifiers in index.theme - how do I make the running desktop become aware of the new theme?17:43
jbichamaxb: if you're talking about System Settings>Appearance, that is hard-coded to only support the standard themes + Adwaita, have you tried gnome-tweak-tool?17:47
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maxbthat.... seems like a spectacularly bizarre decision17:57
geseris this an upstream decision or an Ubuntu one?17:59
jbichawell, GNOME doesn't include a theme switcher at all so Ubuntu has added one but it doesn't support 3rd party themes18:00
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dobeymaxb: you can change it in dconf-editor, or use ~/.gtkrc-3.0 maybe (or whatever file gtk3 looks for now)18:15
micahgseb128: do you want a thread/session for webkit version?  I'm going to be trying to get some type of LTS commitment upstream for us, just not sure if that will end up being 1.6 or 1.8 (or nothing :()18:28
luckyduckHi. Anybody else experiencing performance issues after 11.10 upgrade on amd64?18:36
luckyduck11.04 worked fine18:36
luckyduckI've tried different nvidia drivers (dual monitor setup), but all of them seem to have issues.18:37
luckyduckGoogle doesn't shows the answers. Only found other people with simmilar problems :-/18:37
luckyduck(generally the windows are laggy)18:39
cyphermoxluckyduck: what kind of issues, just laggy effects?18:51
geserjjardon: I saw that you marked bug #835297 as a dupe of bug #855287. It describes the same problem but I doubt that fix to lupin would fix my issue too as I got this problem from an upgrade from natty to the (at that time) development version and my installation is several releases old.18:54
ubot2Launchpad bug 835297 in indicator-datetime "Time not being shown, substituted by the word "Time"" (dup-of: 855287)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/83529718:55
ubot2Launchpad bug 855287 in lupin "date/time indicator displays string 'Time' instead of date/time on Wubi installation" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/85528718:55
luckyduckcyphermox: yes18:55
luckyduckluckyduck: when I move windows around, open new ones and stuff like that, the windows appears to be laggy18:56
luckyducksound lagged a few times as well when i started chromium18:56
luckyduckNone of this was an issue in 11.04. I doubt that my hardware is to slow or something like that.18:58
luckyduckAnother example: When I simply scroll in PhpStorm the window doesnt get redrawn fast enough19:00
cyphermoxbest I can offer is that you should file a bug19:01
luckyduckok, thx19:04
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broderis there any way to cross-reference an accessible object on the at-spi bridge with its window id?19:36
broder(i'm working on some code that needs to use both at-spi and libwnck to get its job done)19:36
dobeybroder: i'd guess you'd need the accessible object for the toplevel for whichever widget the accessible points at,19:38
broderdobey: right, and once i have that...?19:38
dobeybroder: i thought the window ID was in the object's data somewhere19:39
broderhmm...i'll go look again19:39
dobeyit has been a long time since i've looked at any lower level stuff in that realm though19:40
Sweetsharkjasoncwarner_: ping?19:45
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rdesfoI'm using xubuntu 11.10 and my terminal wont write 'a'22:42
rdesfoit will still write 'A' and 'a' appears in my other applications.  Does any one know how to fix this?22:42
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