[04:20] <pitti> Good morning
[04:29] <TheMuso> Morning pitti.
[04:29] <TheMuso> I like, but dislike the start of a new cycle.
[04:30] <pitti> hey TheMuso
[04:30] <pitti> TheMuso: mmm, dialectic statements in the early morning :)
[04:30] <TheMuso> heh
[04:31] <TheMuso> Its the merges I don't like, but planning for the next cycle is fun.
[04:31] <TheMuso> Or I don't enjoy merges.
[04:32] <RAOF> Hey pitti :)
[04:34] <pitti> TheMuso: do less of them, try to get stuff into Debian or upstream :)
[04:35] <pitti> TheMuso: it's rather easy these days to get the Debian guys to share development in their trees
[04:35] <TheMuso> pitti: Oh I know.
[04:35] <TheMuso> But I still don't enjoy it.
[04:35] <pitti> TheMuso: but yes, some will always remain, and they are kind of boring
[04:36] <pitti> it's a good time for reviewing patches etc.
[04:36] <TheMuso> I agree with that yes.
[04:39] <pitti> RAOF: ugh, SRUs are a real whack-a-rat game these times :)
[04:41] <RAOF> pitti: Yeah.  I was going to ask you - how do we deal with stuff like vlc, which is just a new upstream bugfix release?  Wave it through?  (Although vlc also has other issues, like being a sync from Debian which blows away the oneiric changelog, and a bug in an improper state)
[04:44] <pitti> RAOF: I'm generally a bit sceptical about these, unless it's a blessed MRE; I usually look through the diff and see whether there's something which doesn't look appropriate (lots of new code, new dependencies, etc.)
[04:47] <RAOF> It's got a very sizeable diff.  Although a surprising amount of it is no-op comment changes in the translation files :)
[04:48] <pitti> RAOF: that usually comes from merging the .po files against the latest upstream versions; harmless noise
[04:48] <RAOF> Yeah; about 100K lines of harmless noise, in this case :)
[05:45] <didrocks> good morning
[05:50] <pitti> bonjour didrocks
[05:50] <didrocks> guten morgen pitti. How was your week-end?
[05:51] <pitti> didrocks: pretty calm, for a change; had some friends over, some reading, gardening, and lots of idling :)
[05:51] <pitti> how was your's?
[05:55] <didrocks> was nice, removed 4 radiators, put 3 new ones, and a lot of walking in the city :)
[05:56] <pitti> didrocks: some sightseeing/culture?
[05:57] <didrocks> pitti: sightseeing mostly (Julie still doesn't know the full city ;)) and just enjoying the last sunny week-end together :-)
[05:57] <pitti> indeed, was sunny here as well (but quite cold already)
[05:57] <RAOF> That's a lot of radiators.  I might be missing context :)
[05:59] <TheMuso> RAOF: heaters I suspect.
[06:00] <didrocks> RAOF: heh, just that the previous heaters were just basic electric one where you can burn yourself if you touch them. I bought some that doesn't use so much power than the previous one
[06:01] <RAOF> I'm always a fan of not burning myself on household surfaces :)
[06:03] <smspillaz> hi @ all
[06:03] <RAOF> Hey smspillaz
[06:06] <smspillaz> hi
[06:12] <smspillaz> didrocks: hi :)
[06:12] <didrocks> hey smspillaz
[06:12] <smspillaz> didrocks: do you know when the timer is up for compiz ?
[06:12] <didrocks> smspillaz: next Wednesday, has we pushed a version on Wednesday IIRC
[06:12] <smspillaz> ok
[06:13] <smspillaz> there's some stuff that got clobbered in the process of making the patches, so I'm just fixing that up now, so I'll have a merge proposal to fix all that up
[06:13]  * smspillaz did a diff between lp:../oneiric and the distro version with the patches applied and noticed that there are bits and pieces missing
[06:15] <didrocks> smspillaz: can you precise?
[06:16] <didrocks> smspillaz: please don't add diff for the purpose of adding diff from the previous version, think about the SRU team who reviews all patches
[06:21] <smspillaz> didrocks: some of the fixes are not working exactly as they should because there are bits and pieces missing http://paste.ubuntu.com/710581/
[06:21] <smspillaz> didrocks: I can add a comment to each bit explaining what it does if you want
[06:21] <didrocks> smspillaz: do you have the list of bugs that aren't fixed then? :/
[06:22] <smspillaz> sure, hang on
[06:22] <didrocks> pitti: FYI ^
[06:22] <smspillaz> didrocks: I'll comment on each of those bugs with the missing diff
[06:22] <didrocks> smspillaz: are there only bugs not fixed?
[06:22] <smspillaz> didrocks: what do you mean ?
[06:22] <didrocks> smspillaz: is there some side-effect to not have the full patch?
[06:22] <didrocks> smspillaz: and how come we only had partial diff?
[06:23] <didrocks> it reminds me that the empty patches you gave to me
[06:23] <smspillaz> didrocks: yes, I will explain in each bug, and we only had partial diffs likely because we got clobbered patches due to the divergence with trunk :)
[06:23] <didrocks> do you check that the patch applies or do you just reforce it?
[06:23] <didrocks> so you had patch rejected
[06:23] <smspillaz> oh, I checked they applied
[06:23] <didrocks> and didn't read the output?
[06:23] <smspillaz> right, I had to refresh some of them
[06:23] <smspillaz> yes
[06:23] <smspillaz> I read the output
[06:23] <didrocks> well, you gave me empty patches at some point
[06:23] <smspillaz> that was a while back, I fixed those
[06:24] <didrocks> so how come there are missing chunks?
[06:24] <smspillaz> context changes, some patches overlapped, etc
[06:24] <smspillaz> the diff with the tarballs is getting quite big now, you know that errors can occur due to this :)
[06:25] <didrocks> yeah, but apparently, it's more than one error
[06:25] <didrocks> and not the first time
[06:26] <didrocks> so I want to understand so that it's avoided in the future
[06:26] <didrocks> what missed? more rigor?
[06:26] <smspillaz> it will be avoided in the future when I get trunk into a state where you can just pull from it :)
[06:26] <smspillaz> (and I'm almost done with that :))
[06:26] <didrocks> I mean for Oneiric?
[06:26] <didrocks> I guess we will still have some released
[06:26] <didrocks> patches*
[06:26] <didrocks> so, how can we do this for Oneiric?
[06:27] <smspillaz> diff -r theoneiricbranch theubuntubranch
[06:27] <smspillaz> at least thats how I caught these :)
[06:28] <didrocks> smspillaz: so can you do that next time before?
[06:28] <smspillaz> sure
[06:28] <didrocks> so that I don't end up notifying you of empty patches
[06:28] <smspillaz> :)
[06:28] <didrocks> smspillaz: ok, so, do you have the list of bugs?
[06:28] <smspillaz> the empty patches occur usually when some patches overlap
[06:28] <didrocks> that are impacted
[06:28] <smspillaz> I'm just collecting them all now
[06:29] <didrocks> yeah, and the output tells you "can't apply chuck…"
[06:29] <didrocks> so I have hard time to understand how you read the output :)
[06:34] <smspillaz> right, so usually I go in to fix it in the source, and then its already there :)
[06:34] <smspillaz> and then it happens that some *other* patch comes along and removes that same chunk :)
[06:37] <didrocks> smspillaz: so rigor and wondering why it doesn't apply was the issue again, right?
[06:38] <smspillaz> of course
[06:38] <smspillaz> things just get ... complicated when you've got about 15 or so bugfix patches which all touch the same bit of code :)
[06:39] <smspillaz> didrocks: anyways, what I'll do right now is go in and fix each individual patch, they all have bug numbers attached to them and then I will comment on each bug and give you the list of bugs that are affected with the diff once that's done
[06:40] <didrocks> smspillaz: well, it's just a question of keeping calm and being rigorous. Doing one thing after another
[06:40] <didrocks> which is the same when I have a unity release and 10+ updates to handle
[06:40] <didrocks> smspillaz: yes, please, give me the list of failure, so that pitti can be aware about them and we can remove them from the SRU list
[06:40] <didrocks> it's just a week lost and a pity…
[06:41] <smspillaz> didrocks: well, we can do this for the next SRU, right ?
[06:41] <pitti> didrocks: why a week lost?
[06:41] <smspillaz> and then we'll just mark them as fix-committed rather than fix released
[06:41] <didrocks> smspillaz: well, right now, the SRU will be blocked
[06:41] <pitti> didrocks: there was one bug in the current SRUs which had a (questionable) failure, but that woudln't block -updates promotion
[06:41] <didrocks> smspillaz: because registered bugs as SRU won't be pushed, hence we need to clean the list
[06:42] <didrocks> pitti: some bugs on the list won't be fixed apparently
[06:42] <didrocks> pitti: so we need to remove them from the list
[06:42] <pitti> ah
[06:42] <smspillaz> I'll make it clear those that the missing bits are harmless, they just don't *completely* fix some bugs
[06:42] <didrocks> as the full patches weren't deliver (I even get, as I mentioned before, some empty patches that I spotted)
[06:42] <smspillaz> (eg, there's some edge cases where you might still get the bug)
[06:42] <didrocks> smspillaz: yeah, that's why we need this list, to pop them out of the SRU list
[06:43] <didrocks> smspillaz: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html
[06:43] <didrocks> smspillaz: see compiz and cpm on the oneiric lsit
[06:43] <didrocks> smspillaz: green are confirmed bug fixes, red is failure and blue are untested
[06:44] <smspillaz> didrocks: yeah, so 866752 might still happen in some cases, but the majority of other cases are fixed at least
[06:44] <didrocks> smspillaz: just get the list so that we can act on them :)
[06:44] <smspillaz> sure, doing that now :)
[06:56] <didrocks> smspillaz: 4.24.0 is already out, what bugs have set to fix committed last Friday?
[06:56] <didrocks> smspillaz: I see https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/863114
[06:56] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 863114 in unity "Cannot raise window from panel after minimize" [High,Fix committed]
[06:56]  * didrocks retargets to 4.26
[06:56] <didrocks> smspillaz: needs the other
[06:57] <didrocks> smspillaz: urgh, all bugs are fix released already
[06:57] <didrocks> smspillaz: I kept them fix committed for my script removing the cruft for the rest :/
[06:58] <didrocks> *sigh* will spend another 2 hours on it opening every bugs one after another
[06:59] <smspillaz> didrocks: someone changed them to fix released ?
[06:59] <didrocks> yeah
[07:06]  * RAOF is unconvinced that adding 3000 lines of staging zcache driver and hooking it up to all the filesystems is appropriate for an SRU...
[07:06] <pitti> RAOF: *nod* that sounds a bit excessive
[07:08] <RAOF> Hm.  In addition to a bunch of config changes.  There may need to be a little education :)
[07:22] <smspillaz> didrocks: ok, repatching done, updating the bugs now
[07:22] <didrocks> smspillaz: can you send the list back?
[07:25] <rickspencer3> didrocks, good morning
[07:26] <didrocks> hey rickspencer3
[07:26] <smspillaz> didrocks: sure thing :)
[07:27] <rickspencer3> didrocks, is the recipe for how to clean out your history from Unity written down anywhere?
[07:27] <didrocks> rickspencer3: you mean, in alt + F2?
[07:28] <rickspencer3> didrocks, nah, I was going to work on an indicator to turn off collecting dash history, and having a command to clear it out
[07:28] <rickspencer3> you told me how to do it a while back, so I was wondering if it was actually written down in a blog or bug or something about how to do it
[07:29] <didrocks> rickspencer3: basically, it's removing zeitgeist history, I think some sqlite requests will be needed if you don't want to remove everything. kamstrup wouldd know more.
[07:29] <RAOF> There's an app for that :)
[07:29] <RAOF> (Isn't there?)
[07:29] <didrocks> yeah, in gnome-activity-journal
[07:30] <didrocks> rickspencer3: if you want to do it manually, it's about killing zeitgeist-daemon and zeitgeist-datahub, then rm ~/.local/share/zeitgeist/
[07:31] <didrocks> there is a cache in unity, so a new search is then needed to clear it up IIRC
[07:31] <rickspencer3> RAOF, I want to make an indicator, so you can go into "stealth" mode, will gnome-activity-journal do that?
[07:31] <didrocks> no, it didn't support last time I check
[07:31] <rickspencer3> didrocks, I seem to recall that you have to move the gnome mru list too
[07:31] <didrocks> but I guess it was planned
[07:32] <didrocks> rickspencer3: oh right, for datahub not picking it back
[07:32] <rickspencer3> I'll look around at the activity journal
[07:32] <didrocks> (~/.local/share/recently-used.xbel)
[07:33] <RAOF> rickspencer3: I don't know, but a naive d-feet suggests that you might want to try disabling all the datasources in /org/gnome/zeitgeist/data_source_registry
[07:34] <didrocks> RAOF: it doesn't clean the history though
[07:35] <RAOF> didrocks: Yeah, but that doesn't sound like what rickspencer3's after, which would be a ?private browsing? mode.  You don't need to clean the history if you don't generate any?
[07:36] <didrocks> I'm not sure :) can be as well "for now, I just want to start in a clean mode so that nobody can see my $very_private_reports while I'm doing a presentation"
[07:37] <smspillaz> didrocks: bugs 864330 864478 865696 807487 796594
[07:37] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 864330 in compiz "The larger windows, moving towed." [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/864330
[07:37] <smspillaz> I think some of them are targed for SRU1 though
[07:38] <smspillaz> so I guess we should retarget all the ones that *were* SRU0 to SRU1 and then change the status to fix committed ?
[07:38] <didrocks> smspillaz: not all, but all from that list, yeah
[07:38] <smspillaz> sure thing
[07:40] <smspillaz> didrocks: the only one that needs changing from fixreleased to fixcommitted is that one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz-core/+bug/864478
[07:40] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 864478 in compiz "Window shading is broken" [Undecided,Fix committed]
[07:40] <RAOF> Window shading was *expected* to work? :)
[07:40] <smspillaz> RAOF: it got broken a bit by some changes I did to the reparenting code
[07:41] <smspillaz> RAOF: I was fixing a focus bug when I noticed that it handled the shading case and then I actually tried to shade a window and then it made my window disappear
[07:41] <smspillaz> its mostly fixed now, except that compiz paints the full frame of the window rather than the shaded one
[07:41] <didrocks> smspillaz: apart from bug #864330, none of them was pushed on the SRU list
[07:41] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 864330 in compiz "The larger windows, moving towed." [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/864330
[07:41] <didrocks> smspillaz: there is no patch with those numbers
[07:42] <smspillaz> didrocks: I think its the same as 866752
[07:42] <smspillaz> didrocks: I'll dupe it
[07:42] <didrocks> smspillaz: yeah, duplicate please
[07:42] <didrocks> smspillaz: so, that's normal that they weren't pushed, I don't get what was wrong then with those
[07:42] <smspillaz> done
[07:42] <didrocks> all of this is so confusing, as always with compiz :)
[07:43] <smspillaz> didrocks: you mean everything apart from 864330 ?
[07:43] <smspillaz> didrocks: there were slight deviations
[07:43] <didrocks> smspillaz: yeah, see the bug #
[07:43] <smspillaz> so I corrected them
[07:43] <didrocks> smspillaz: there was not on the patch + SRU fixed list you gave to me last time
[07:43] <smspillaz> didrocks: and then there were a few patches that were missing which were targed for SRU1 anyways, so I did those
[07:44] <didrocks> smspillaz: ok, so you meant, patches that were missing
[07:44] <didrocks> not half-pushed patches
[07:44] <smspillaz> right, but they were targed for SRU1 anyways
[07:44] <smspillaz> didrocks: I'll set up a merge proposal now
[07:44] <rodrigo_> morning
[07:44] <didrocks> smspillaz: well, wait for the other version to be pushed
[07:44] <smspillaz> grrrrr, why does skype break the kde plugin
[07:44] <didrocks> smspillaz: I know you will have more
[07:45] <smspillaz> didrocks: :)
[07:45] <didrocks> :)
[07:45] <smspillaz> didrocks: right, although I'm doing all the merge proposals today since I need to take some time off to finish some uni work
[07:45] <didrocks> pitti: RAOF: new nux and unity (finally \o/) proposed in… -proposed :)
[07:45] <pitti> yay
[07:45] <didrocks> smspillaz: sure, ensure the test case is there
[07:45] <smspillaz> didrocks: yep
[07:46] <didrocks> pitti: running since Wednesday, then, noticed some regressions and cherry-pick on Thursday and Friday
[07:46] <didrocks> pitti: running since Friday reasonably well here
[07:49] <smspillaz> RAOF: what's a huge window size that's more than the max_texture_size that I can set which won't return a BadAlloc ?
[07:51] <RAOF> smspillaz: 8888 x 1?
[07:55] <Sweetshark> Bonjour, Good morning, Moin!
[07:56]  * Sweetshark survived Libreoffice conference in Paris.
[07:57] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[07:57] <pitti> hey Sweetshark, welcome back; was it interesting?
[07:58] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson
[07:58] <chrisccoulson> hi pitti, how are you?
[07:58] <didrocks> good morning Sweetshark, chrisccoulson
[07:58] <chrisccoulson> hi didrocks
[08:07] <Sweetshark> pitti: oh, yes. I wonder how I will be abl to write a trip report that wont be a book.
[08:08] <Sweetshark> pitti: and making it to slashdot twice with the first conference is also a nice achivement, I guess. http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/11/10/15/010253/libreoffice-going-online-and-mobile and http://developers.slashdot.org/story/11/10/14/1531252/openoffice-is-dying-and-ibm-wont-help
[08:09] <smspillaz> didrocks: ok, testacses done
[08:09] <didrocks> great
[08:17] <seb128> hey
[08:21] <pitti> bonjour seb128
[08:21] <seb128> hey pitti, how are you?
[08:21] <pitti> seb128: pretty good, thanks! how about you?
[08:21] <didrocks> salut seb128
[08:22] <seb128> pitti, got a small start of cold over the w.e but otherwise I'm good thanks
[08:22] <seb128> lut didrocks
[08:24] <pitti> seb128: hope it won't be too bad :/
[08:25] <seb128> yeah, seems to be ok for now so let's see how it goes
[08:26] <mpt> Good morning folks ... I have a quiz question: Other than Ubuntu, which Gnome-using OSes have a guest session feature? (This is relating to redesigning Startup Applications)
[08:26] <chrisccoulson> hi seb128
[08:27] <mpt> Does Debian, for example?
[08:27] <rickspencer3>  mpt I
[08:28] <seb128> hey chrisccoulson, mpt, rickspencer3
[08:28] <seb128> how are you?
[08:28] <rickspencer3> m pretty sure that Guest session is a Ubuntu innovation, and that it's pitti
[08:28] <rickspencer3> bonjour seb128
[08:28] <seb128> mpt, nobody else has a guest session that I know about
[08:28] <rickspencer3> je vais tres bien
[08:28] <rickspencer3> et tois?
[08:28] <seb128> rickspencer3, je vais bien merci !
[08:36] <Sweetshark> http://people.gnome.org/~michael/data/2011-10-10-lool-demo.webm <- anyone interested in Libreoffice in the browser should have a look at that video btw
[08:36] <seb128> hey Sweetshark
[08:36] <seb128> I've seen it, it seems the same desktop ui copied in a web browser
[08:37] <Sweetshark> its libreoffice running in firefox via gtk3/broadway
[08:37] <seb128> it's nice but not really impressive either, I would think a web version would be much simpler and with a nicer ui
[08:38] <Sweetshark> seb128: well, it is really a proof-of-concept only. But getting the ui simpler is not the hard part.
[08:39] <seb128> Sweetshark, speaking of libreoffice do you know if there is any chance it stops using gnome-vfs next cycle? ;-)
[08:39] <Sweetshark> seb128: I have seem "Cloudoffice" and they tried to recreate OOo by a rewrite from scratch. It was a mess for all the layouting etc. to get real WYSIWYG.
[08:40] <seb128> gnomevfs is deprecated for years and only on CD because of libreoffice now, I wish they would clean their desktop code rather than doing web prototypes :p
[08:40] <seb128> Sweetshark, yeah, the issue is to compete with i.e google doc, not going to be easy ;-)
[08:40] <mpt> thanks seb128
[08:40] <seb128> mpt, yw
[08:41] <rickspencer3> didrocks, after I kill z-daemon and z-datahub and delete the dir, files, I just start z-daemon again, or does unity start it for me?
[08:41] <Sweetshark> seb128: If you give me an action item about it and either a) kill enough of the other action items for me or b) get me more human resources, sure.
[08:41] <didrocks> rickspencer3: the lens will start it for you
[08:41] <didrocks> rickspencer3: so it should reconnect
[08:41] <rickspencer3> thanks didrocks
[08:41] <rickspencer3> so, for delete my history it
[08:41] <rickspencer3> s easy
[08:42] <seb128> Sweetshark, I'm not in a position to give action items but I can bring it up to jasoncwarner_ and pitti at UDS ;-)
[08:42] <rickspencer3> for "private browsing mode" I guess I need to make the dirs and files read only
[08:42] <seb128> uninstall zg, easier ;-)
[08:42] <didrocks> quite a harsh solution, but I guess yeah :-)
[08:42] <didrocks> kamstrup: will zg survive ? ^
[08:43] <seb128> the issue is that if you i.e delete recently-used.xbl you will loose all your '"recently open" in applications
[08:43] <seb128> i.e gedit's fileselectors or file menu
[08:43] <didrocks> seb128: I guess that's the goal
[08:43] <seb128> didrocks, I tend to want to clean the lens view there
[08:43] <didrocks> or mv it for a presentation
[08:43] <seb128> but I don't want to drop my gedit history
[08:43] <lool> Gah, how many lools will I get due to the new LO web service
[08:44] <Sweetshark> seb128: really, making the interface simple isnt too much of work compared to always getting the layout right.
[08:44] <seb128> hey lool
[08:44] <lool> Hey seb128!  :-)
[08:44] <didrocks> hey lool :-)
[08:44] <seb128> Sweetshark, right
[08:44] <Sweetshark> hey, lool
[08:44] <rodrigo_> brb
[08:44] <seb128> didrocks, rickspencer3: use the guest session for demos ;-)
[08:44] <lool> I'll launch a web UI for Ubuntu Desktop and call it seb128-didrocks-ping!.webm
[08:44] <rickspencer3> seb128, I intent to get rich off of this app
[08:44] <seb128> lool, trying to make friends? ;-)
[08:45] <rickspencer3> it'll sell like hotcakes
[08:45] <rickspencer3> ;)
[08:45] <seb128> lol
[08:45] <Sweetshark> lol lool?
[08:45] <didrocks> seb128: I don't have credentials in my guest session to show install/uninstall demo :-)
[08:45] <rickspencer3> oops
[08:46] <rickspencer3> I deleted ~/.local/share/zeitgeist, and it's not coming back ;)
[08:46] <seb128> didrocks, good point, use a demo account ;-)
[08:46] <rickspencer3> maybe I need to do something
[08:46] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, not a nice woarkaround :)
[08:46] <seb128> pfiou, I had 1200 bug emails in my launchpad desktop box from the w.e
[08:46] <didrocks> rickspencer3: not coming back -> zg?
[08:46] <seb128> down to 781 by cleaning the janitor expiration emails
[08:46] <seb128> that's a good thing ;-)
[08:47] <didrocks> rickspencer3: even if you open a lens ?
[08:47] <seb128> still 781 emails, hate releases :p
[08:47] <didrocks> seb128: you can take some rest now, you just triaged more than 60% :-)
[08:47] <didrocks> ah down to
[08:47] <didrocks> so no, 40% :)
[09:02] <czajkowski> Morning folks
[09:03] <didrocks> hey czajkowski
[09:03] <czajkowski> I see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/875054  bug is back again :/
[09:03] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 875054 in linux "[Oneiric][Regression[ Oneiric spontaneously powers off" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[09:03] <czajkowski> that used to happen me in natty the whole time
[09:06] <rickspencer3> didrocks, so, I killed z-daemon ... then went to use the dash, it doesn't look like z-daemon started up again
[09:07] <rickspencer3> I had to manually restart it, which made it build a new ~/.local/share/zeitgest, btw
[09:08] <tkamppeter> rodrigo_, hi
[09:08] <rodrigo_> hi tkamppeter
[09:09] <tkamppeter> Any new ideas about the s-c-p problem with gnome-shell?
[09:09] <tkamppeter> rodrigo_, ^
[09:10] <rodrigo_> tkamppeter, not much, have been thinking about it, I can see only 2 solutions: leave it as it is, or use s-c-p also in gnome-shell
[09:11] <tkamppeter> rodrigo_, I would prefer the latter.
[09:11] <rodrigo_> tbh, I'd prefer to leave it as it is
[09:12] <rodrigo_> for oneiric I mean
[09:12] <didrocks> rickspencer3: interesting, and did you try to just kill one lens daemon?
[09:12] <rodrigo_> I haven't seen many complains from users, have you tkamppeter?
[09:13] <rickspencer3> didrocks, what I did was kill zeitgeist-daemon
[09:13] <didrocks> rickspencer3: maybe only restarting the lens daemon restarts zg, which is a bug in this case (and wasn't doing that before IIRC)
[09:13] <rickspencer3> this killed zeitgeist-datahub for me
[09:13] <rodrigo_> brb, need to reboot
[09:13] <rickspencer3> then messing around in the dash didn't restart it
[09:13] <rickspencer3> didrocks, this is actually better for me, if it works this way
[09:13] <didrocks> rickspencer3: try killing unity-application-daemon for instance and start the application lens
[09:13] <rickspencer3> I can just "turn off" zeitgeist-daemon by killing it
[09:14] <rickspencer3> and then "turn it on" again
[09:14] <didrocks> rickspencer3: yeah, that's better, but still an issue we should fix for Precise though :-)
[09:15] <rickspencer3> didrocks, how is it an issue?
[09:15] <rickspencer3> a user kills zeitgeist, it should stay dead
[09:15] <didrocks> rickspencer3: that means that if zg crash, nothing restart it until you restart the lenses
[09:15] <rickspencer3> I hate when I try to kill things and they just respawn
[09:16] <didrocks> so no more search will work until you restart the session/restart the lens
[09:16] <rickspencer3> didrocks, the lens still works
[09:16] <rickspencer3> it's just that zeitgeist has stopped logging data
[09:16] <didrocks> without zg running? you get new results for new search?
[09:16] <didrocks> (not just the cached ones)
[09:16] <rickspencer3> didrocks, I dunno, I deleted the databases
[09:17] <rickspencer3> let me try out the different scenarios
[09:17] <rickspencer3> didrocks, I did not get new results, because the whole point was to make it stop logging results :)
[09:18] <didrocks> rickspencer3: yeah, but I'm thinking about the "normal crash" case :)
[09:19] <rickspencer3> didrocks, I think it would be nice if z-daemon had an interface so you could tell it to start and stop logging
[09:19] <rickspencer3> and to clear data as well
[09:19] <rickspencer3> maybe I'll see about adding that for precise
[09:20] <didrocks> rickspencer3: we discussed that this morning with kamstrup
[09:20] <didrocks> rickspencer3: he agreed on the dbus interface
[09:20] <rickspencer3> sweet
[09:20] <rickspencer3> nm ;)
[09:20] <didrocks> but sure, for precise :-)
[09:20] <didrocks> your workaround will be good enough for oneiric I guess :-)
[09:20] <didrocks> and you can make billions :p
[09:21] <rickspencer3> didrocks, I will invite you to my Italian Villa that I plan to buy with the proceeds
[09:21] <didrocks> \o/
[09:22] <seif> rickspencer3, we do have an interface for that
[09:22] <rickspencer3> seif, do tell
[09:22] <tkamppeter> rodrigo_, only complaint I am aware of is the bug we are discussing (and your need to reboot :-).
[09:23] <rodrigo_> tkamppeter, right, so doesn't seem too critical to justify a UI change at this time for oneiric, right?
[09:23] <tkamppeter> rodrigo_, OK. Can you close the bug then?
[09:24] <seif> rickspencer3, http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/05/activity-log-manager-for-zeitgeist-lets-you-blacklist-files-and-apps-delete-your-history-more/
[09:24] <seif> rickspencer3, we allow disabling logging over dbus already
[09:24] <rickspencer3> seif, I see
[09:24] <seif> :)
[09:24] <seif> and this is just a UI
[09:24] <rickspencer3> seif, can you point me to the API docs?
[09:25] <rodrigo_> tkamppeter, leave it open for P I guess?
[09:25] <tkamppeter> rodrigo_, OK.
[09:26] <seif> rickspencer3, gimmie a moment
[09:26] <seif> we changed the api in 0.8
[09:26] <seif> dont think we documented this part yet
[09:27] <seif> as in we changed the api of the blacklist extnesion for zeitgeist
[09:27] <seif> not of zeitgeist
[09:27] <didrocks> seif: that doesn't enable going in some kind of "private mode" though?
[09:27] <seif> didrocks, it does
[09:27] <didrocks> oh nice, even kamstrup wasn't aware then :)
[09:27] <rickspencer3> seif, I just want to tell zeitgeist to stop logging, and then to tell it to start logging again
[09:27] <rickspencer3> is there a code sample to show me how to do that?
[09:27] <seif> rickspencer3, yes
[09:27] <seif> the code i can give you
[09:28] <rickspencer3> seif, sweet
[09:28] <rickspencer3> python by change?
[09:28] <seif> didrocks, bascially u give it an empty event to blakclist and it tops logging
[09:28] <seif> rickspencer3, its in python
[09:29] <tkamppeter> rodrigo_, can you at least add a comment to the bug? Thanks.
[09:29] <rickspencer3> seif, sweet
[09:29] <rickspencer3> hit me up ;)
[09:33] <seif> rickspencer3, i will give you a little 200 line bundle of code
[09:33] <seif> and show u how to use it
[09:33] <rickspencer3> 200 lines!
[09:33] <seif> u justn eed 2 mehtods
[09:33] <rickspencer3> wtf
[09:33] <seif> enable and disable
[09:34] <rickspencer3> phew
[09:34] <seif> rickspencer3, http://paste.ubuntu.com/710695/
[09:34] <seif> what u want to do is then
[09:34]  * rickspencer3 looks
[09:35] <seif> incognito = IncognitoBlacklist()
[09:35] <seif> then
[09:35] <seif> incognito.set_incognito(true)
[09:35] <seif> and ur done
[09:35] <rickspencer3> seif, do I turn it back on with set_incognito(False)
[09:35] <seif> so just copy this code i sent you somehwere
[09:35] <rickspencer3> ?
[09:35] <seif> rickspencer3, yes
[09:35] <seif> :)
[09:36] <rickspencer3> seif, so this is a library you wrote?
[09:36] <seif> rickspencer3, yep
[09:36] <seif> its covers the zeitgeist-blacklist extension
[09:36] <rickspencer3> cool
[09:36] <seif> it wraps aorund dbus
[09:40] <rickspencer3> damn I hate dbus programming
[09:40] <seif> rickspencer3, it also works with the vala zeitgeist
[09:40] <rickspencer3> every. f'ing. time.
[09:40] <seif> rickspencer3, tell me what you want me to do i can do it for you
[09:40] <seif> i got some time on my hand
[09:40] <rickspencer3> seif,  it's not your fault
[09:40] <seif> and i miss python programing
[09:40] <rickspencer3> it's this crap:
[09:40] <rickspencer3> RuntimeError: To make asynchronous calls, receive signals or export objects, D-Bus connections must be attached to a main loop by passing mainloop=... to the constructor or calling dbus.set_default_main_loop(...)
[09:41] <seif> i feel ur pain
[09:41] <rickspencer3> whenever we tell app developers to use dbus, we may as well tell them not to program for Ubuntu
[09:44] <uksysadmin> well I had fun (and judging by the increase in traffic to my blog on a fix) upgrading from 11.04 to 11.10. who do I need to kick over it breaking networking for lots people? ;-)
[09:44] <seif> rickspencer3, thus the library :)
[09:45] <seif> didrocks, r u up for testing the new zeitgeist with us
[09:45] <seif> we have been doing some internal tests
[09:46] <didrocks> seif: well, still on SRUs there and trying to get things in shape
[09:46] <didrocks> seif: is this a bug fix only release?
[09:46] <mvo>  uksysadmin: there is a open bug about this against network-manager #859373
[09:46] <seif> SRU?
[09:46] <seif> didrocks, nope
[09:46] <rickspencer3> seif, indeed
[09:46] <seif> its the vala port (which fixes tons of bugs with it)
[09:46] <rickspencer3> however, I am dead in the water
[09:46] <didrocks> seif: hum, I'll maybe try next week then, I prefer to keep on the current platform :)
[09:47] <rickspencer3> I can't figure out how to tell dbus to use my main loop
[09:47] <didrocks> seif: just ping me back in a week
[09:47] <seif> rickspencer3, how can i help you
[09:47] <seif> what is ur idea
[09:47] <seif> i could hack it for you :)
[09:47] <didrocks> seif: and we will try to push it asap in precise
[09:47] <rickspencer3> lol
[09:47] <rickspencer3> seif, how do other people contend with the error I am getting in their apps?
[09:48] <seif> i bug my team to fix my code for me :)
[09:48] <seif> not optimal
[09:48] <rickspencer3> seif, heh
[09:48] <didrocks> rickspencer3: from dbus.mainloop.glib import DBusGMainLoop
[09:48] <seif> rickspencer3, but what is ur idea
[09:48] <rickspencer3> I think there is something I can do when I am setting up my gtk.main loop
[09:48] <didrocks>     DBusGMainLoop(set_as_default=True)
[09:48] <didrocks>     loop = GObject.MainLoop()
[09:48] <rickspencer3> sweet
[09:48] <didrocks> isn't what you need?
[09:48] <rickspencer3> thanks didrocks
[09:48] <uksysadmin> mvo, I don't believe that's the issue I saw and '000s others: http://uksysadmin.wordpress.com/2011/10/14/upgrade-to-ubuntu-11-10-problem-waiting-for-network-configuration-then-black-screen-solution/
[09:48] <rickspencer3> didrocks, prolly
[09:48] <rickspencer3> didrocks, I've struggled with this before
[09:48] <uksysadmin> looks like an upgrade didn't sort out the filesystem properly creating multiple places for runtime files and locks
[09:49] <didrocks> rickspencer3: it's important to run DBusGMainLoop before calling your gtk main loop
[09:49] <rickspencer3> so, this all looks familiar
[09:49] <rickspencer3> didrocks, righ
[09:49] <rickspencer3> t
[09:49] <uksysadmin> Related to this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dbus/+bug/811441/
[09:49] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 811441 in dbus "Unable to connect to the system bus: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: Connection refused (oneiric) (dup-of: 858122)" [Medium,Confirmed]
[09:49] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 858122 in ubuntu-release-notes "incomplete migration to /run (shutdown script order has been demolished)" [High,In progress]
[09:51] <mvo> uksysadmin: oh, indeed, this is a different one
[09:52] <mvo> uksysadmin: do you happen to know if its only vmware workstation that triggers this? or can it happen for other reasons too?
[09:52] <uksysadmin> effectively broke my installation and many others... reboot... waiting 3mins for boot, then presented with black screen
[09:52] <uksysadmin> real hardware
[09:52] <mvo> uksysadmin: no question that this is a serious issue
[09:52] <uksysadmin> indeed
[09:52] <uksysadmin> showstopper for many
[09:55] <uksysadmin> if the fix is to symlink /var/run to /run and /var/lock /to /run/lock it seems the upgrade forgot that the old areas (/var/run and /var/lock) exist and maybe can't be removed as they're in use to allow for 11.10 to point this all to /run which is now a tmpfs
[09:55] <uksysadmin> on a clean install of 11.10 /var/run and /var/lock are symlinks to /run and /run/lock
[09:56] <uksysadmin> easy-ish fix once you know how, but for many desktop users and Ubuntu's image of it being a preferred desktop linux of choice due to it "just working" broke that in 11.10
[09:58] <mvo> uksysadmin: is this analysis already in the bugreport? sorry, I have not read it all, but Steve Slangasek commented in it twice,  I wonder if all information is in the bugreport
[09:59] <uksysadmin> let me do some searching to see if this is explicitly stated in a bug and add this if necessary
[10:00] <mvo> thanks!
[10:01] <uksysadmin> Looks like a hsatntanna added this already in comment #48 referencing my blog
[10:04] <didrocks> pitti: what's the process to add a script to the crontab and generating some reports under people.canonical.com/~platform ?
[10:04] <pitti> didrocks: JFDI
[10:05] <didrocks> ah? ok, seems easy enough :-)
[10:05] <didrocks> thanks!
[10:05] <pitti> didrocks: in case you didn't know, you can do sudo -u platform -i
[10:05] <didrocks> pitti: now that you mention it, I remember an email with that :-)
[10:05] <pitti> de rien :)
[10:05] <didrocks> merci beaucoup ;)
[10:06] <uksysadmin> Bug #858122 has this as high importance but many posts on it reference moving init scripts around which I don't beleive is the case
[10:06] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 858122 in ubuntu-release-notes "incomplete migration to /run (shutdown script order has been demolished)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/858122
[10:06] <uksysadmin> I've updated that bug to reflect the impact too
[10:06] <uksysadmin> (added comment)
[10:31] <ogra_> desrt, are you aware that dconf-editor is close to unusable on 1024x600 ?
[10:32] <ogra_> (seems there is some auto-sizing stuff going on on in the right pane that always shrinks the entry field list to 1px or so)
[10:34] <BigWhale> was the bug with nautilus-open-terminal plugin resolved?
[10:36] <seb128> ogra_, desrt doesn't maintain dconf-editor, robert_ancell does
[10:37] <seb128> BigWhale, it's a bug in ubuntuone-client-gnome and the sru is in -updates since today
[10:37] <ogra_> ah, i thought i saw his name in the changelog
[10:37] <ogra_> thanks !
[10:37] <BigWhale> seb128, oh. thanks for the info
[10:38] <geser> ogra_: is this similar to bug #715002?
[10:38] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 715002 in d-conf "dconf-editor window expands itself horizontally to fit descriptions" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/715002
[10:39] <ogra_> well, my issue is vertically
[10:39] <ogra_> but might be the same cause
[10:41] <didrocks> hum, we don't have python-cairo (but we do have cairo) on people.canonical.com
[10:43] <seb128> ogra_, usually selecting another category and yours back workaround it
[10:43] <seb128> didrocks, open a rt I guess ;-)
[10:44] <ogra_> seb128, sadly not for me ... and the bad part is that it isnt resizable
[10:44] <seb128> ogra_, use gsettings (command line)
[10:44] <ogra_> heh
[10:46] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, I guess it will be the easier, just looking if meanwhile, I can copy the module
[10:46] <didrocks> mkdir mkdir cairo + __init__.py loading the .so doesn't seem to be enough
[10:54] <seb128> lunch time, bbia
[10:54] <seb128> b
[11:11] <chrisccoulson> w00t, i have bluetooth again :)
[11:11] <chrisccoulson> what a pain that was
[11:11]  * chrisccoulson remembers never to buy a laptop without bluetooth again
[11:13] <seb128> chrisccoulson, your dell doesn't have bluetooth?!
[11:15] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah. i only realized when i got it that they only offer it as an option on the higher end model with nvidia graphics
[11:15] <chrisccoulson> which i didn't want ;)
[11:15] <chrisccoulson> so i purchased the dell wireless 375 module and fitted it myself just now
[11:15] <chrisccoulson> but it wasn't fun
[11:16] <chrisccoulson> it's underneath the left display hinge, which means you need to take the display and palm rest off
[11:16] <chrisccoulson> and the palm rest screws are underneath things like the cpu heatsink
[11:17] <seb128> urg
[11:18] <seb128> weird, my e6410 with intel video had bluetooth as an available option
[11:18] <seb128> it's weird that they have any latitude which doesn't let you pick blutooth
[11:43] <seb128> hum, I wonder if combo boxes closing as soon as they open in launchpad sometimes is a launchpad or firefox bug
[11:45] <chrisccoulson> seb128, compiz
[11:45] <chrisccoulson> focus to another window and then back again
[11:45] <CarlFK> are there python bindings for gsettings?  I want to dump all the keys so I can grep  around for things like "play login sound"
[11:46] <seb128> chrisccoulson, stop blaming compiz for all the bugs :p
[11:46] <chrisccoulson> lol
[11:46] <chrisccoulson> well, it doesn't happen in metacity or mutter ;)
[11:46] <seb128> CarlFK, you can use the gsettings command line utility to dump all the keys
[11:47] <CarlFK> seb128: "gsettings list-keys" wants a schema.. is there a wild card?
[11:48] <CarlFK> ohh, I just saw monitor.. i bet I can use that to see what the gui does
[11:49] <CarlFK> arg.. it wants a schema too
[11:49] <seb128> CarlFK, list-recursively
[11:50] <CarlFK> woo!  thanks
[11:50] <seb128> yw
[11:54] <Sweetshark> oh, this is going to be fun: The pirate party brought up charges against the bavarian minister of interior (for various crimes including computer sabotage).
[11:55] <ogra_> yay
[11:55] <Sweetshark> we live in interesting times.
[11:56] <ogra_> we certainly do, who would have guesses 8% for the pirates ever :)
[13:12] <seb128> kenvandine, hey
[13:12] <kenvandine> hey seb128
[13:12] <seb128> kenvandine, how are you?
[13:12] <kenvandine> good, and you?
[13:15] <seb128> kenvandine, I'm fine thanks
[13:15] <kenvandine> i am going to get a tp-indicator SRU release out today
[13:15] <seb128> kenvandine, if you have time could you do a triaging round on empathy bugs this week?
[13:15] <kenvandine> hopefully fix the crashers
[13:15] <kenvandine> sure
[13:16] <seb128> kenvandine, there is a bunch of segfault and other issues, some could be due the indicator or unity integration glitches, some can be worth upstreaming
[13:16] <seb128> kenvandine, I noticed we got a bunch of bugs about it
[13:16] <kenvandine> for empathy?
[13:16] <seb128> (well not only about, nothing compared to nautilus due to dobey's screwups)
[13:16] <kenvandine> empathy itself doesn't talk to the indicator anymore
[13:16] <seb128> kenvandine, yes
[13:16] <kenvandine> hehe
[13:16] <seb128> kenvandine, well we got a bunch of "don't get a blue icon" sort of bugs
[13:17] <kenvandine> ah
[13:17] <seb128> kenvandine, and some others are likely upstream issues but still would be nice to triage a bit and upstream the important ones
[13:17] <kenvandine> sure
[13:17] <dobey> hey now
[13:17] <kenvandine> hey dobey
[13:17] <kenvandine> :)
[13:17] <seb128> I cleaned gnome-control-center and gedit previous week and I'm still catching up from the weekends feedback flood today ;-)
[13:18] <dobey> don't be blaming me for that
[13:19] <seb128> cyphermox, hey, is there any chance you could do an evolution bug triage round to see if there is any issue worth having on the sru list today?
[13:19] <seb128> hey dobey
[13:19]  * kenvandine would love to get that nasty evolution alarm notify bug fixed... it is killing me
[13:19] <seb128> dobey, we do blame you, we got a flood of unhappy nautilus users due to you! ;-)
[13:19] <seb128> kenvandine, what bug?
[13:20] <dobey> all nautilus users are unhappy. but i didn't write nautilus, so don't blame me. blame eazel
[13:20] <kenvandine> it is fixed upstream, i think you commented that we would wait for the .1
[13:20] <kenvandine> it pegs the CPU while notifying for all past events
[13:20] <seb128> kenvandine, the "reminder you from all the old meetings" one?
[13:20] <kenvandine> for google calendars
[13:20] <seb128> right
[13:20] <kenvandine> yeah
[13:20] <seb128> well, GNOME 3.2.1 tarballs are due today
[13:20] <kenvandine> woot
[13:20] <seb128> so not a long time to wait :p
[13:21] <seb128> quite a lot are out btw
[13:21] <seb128> if people feel like helping with SRUing some
[13:21] <seb128> I will update the pad
[13:21] <dobey> blame the platform :)
[13:21]  * didrocks will have time to start on updates in a hour
[13:22] <seb128> didrocks, thanks
[13:23] <kenvandine> good morning njpatel!
[13:23] <njpatel> hey kenvandine
[13:23] <njpatel> kenvandine, how goes it?
[13:28] <kenvandine> njpatel, good
[13:28] <dobey> seb128: hrmm, that nautilus type-ahead bug doesn't happen for me
[13:29] <seb128> dobey, try changing folder
[13:29] <seb128> dobey, do you use the icon view?
[13:29] <dobey> seb128: i did. backspaced all the way to /, and typed "et" and etc was selected
[13:30] <seb128> dobey, right, and the typeahead entry closed right?
[13:30] <dobey> let me check again, but don't think so
[13:30] <seb128> dobey, ok, do that, type etc and type etc again
[13:30] <dobey> no
[13:30] <dobey> well, it closed after a timeout
[13:30] <seb128> right
[13:30] <seb128> then type etc again
[13:31] <seb128> then try to use typeahead
[13:31] <seb128> here I type "etc", it selected it, I wait, I type "e", the selection unselects itself and typeahead is broken
[13:31] <dobey> ok, i hit another bug
[13:31] <dobey> but not the one described
[13:32] <seb128> there as several variants
[13:32] <seb128> if you try to browse a few directories you will hit issues
[13:32] <seb128> like try to do etc, enter, apt, enter, sources.list
[13:32] <seb128> it's likely you will hit the typeahead entry closing while you are still typing
[13:33] <seb128> or the selection vanishing and typeahead which stops working
[13:33] <dobey> seb128: it breaks after i hit "enter" on a selected folder from the typeahead, after which typeahead just stops working completely in that nautilus window
[13:34] <dobey> the search window never pops up again, and typing does nothing
[13:34] <seb128> right
[13:34] <seb128> well it's not specific to enter
[13:34] <seb128> dobey, like if instead of typing "etc" you type "e" and enter it will enter etc and still work
[13:34] <seb128> but it will not clear the entry
[13:34] <dobey> eh?
[13:34] <seb128> then typing a letter will break it
[13:36] <dobey> oh well
[13:39] <cyphermox> seb128: certainly
[13:47] <seb128> cyphermox, thanks, in fact I just noticed that the 3.2.1 evo tarballs are already out if you want to claim those on the etherpad and sru
[13:47] <cyphermox> ah, nice
[14:02] <rodrigo_> just found out why my laptop didn't boot with the 3.0 kernel
[14:03] <rodrigo_> seems the 'root (hd0,0)' line is incorrect
[14:03] <rodrigo_> I removed it and added 'root=/dev/sda1' to the kernel line
[14:03] <rodrigo_> so I guess this is a left over from an upgrade?
[14:03] <rodrigo_> doesn't happen on my desktop pc
[14:06] <seb128> rodrigo_, not sure, maybe mention it on #ubuntu-devel
[14:07] <rodrigo_> yeah
[14:08] <cyphermox> rodrigo_: afaik the root command and root= don't achieve the same things at all
[14:08] <seb128> rodrigo_, btw is bug #841280 still on your list? we keep getting duplicates, it's hitting quite some users (installing esperanto seems enough to trigger it for example)
[14:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 841280 in gnome-control-center "gnome-control-center crashed with SIGSEGV in count_languages_and_territories()" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/841280
[14:10] <cyphermox> rodrigo_: are you failing to boot at grub (e.g. a syntax error or something in grub itself), or during boot when the initrd gets loaded (and possibly a message along the lines of "Invalid root")
[14:12] <dobey> rodrigo_: /dev/foo is no longer used to refer to devices, as they aren't guaranteed to be consistent across boots. UUID of partitions are usually used, but the hd0,0 syntax seems correct
[14:12] <dobey> for grub anyway
[14:14] <rodrigo_> dobey, it doesn't like it on my laptop though
[14:15] <dobey> dunno. bug the kernel kids i guess :)
[14:50] <didrocks> pitti: you didn't push your gnome-menus cache changes, will be with the update in -proposed
[14:50] <pitti> didrocks: ah, please not
[14:50] <pitti> didrocks: I queued them for precise
[14:50] <didrocks> pitti: ah ok, was wondering :)
[14:51] <pitti> didrocks: sorry, you mean s/push/upload/?
[14:51] <didrocks> well, it's only gnome-menu 3.2.0.1, I'll diverge later then and do both upload for .1
[14:51] <pitti> I thought I just pushed without uploading
[14:51] <didrocks> pitti: yeah
[14:51] <didrocks> pitti: hence I was wondering if you wanted that in -proposed or not
[14:51] <pitti> no, these branches should be for the devel version only
[14:51] <pitti> i. e. the /ubuntu ones
[14:51] <didrocks> but message received, will do both upload :)
[14:51] <pitti> we can create /oneiric etc. for SRUs?
[14:51] <pitti> didrocks: cheers
[14:52] <didrocks> pitti: well, that's what I proposed some cycle ago but I was the only one to use them…
[14:52] <pitti> I did that as well
[14:52] <pitti> branched, updated Vcs-Bzr, uploaded
[14:52] <pitti> but I'm not that fussed about which branches to use for SRUs
[14:52] <didrocks> I often noticed that people didn't look at Vcs-Bzr for -updates
[14:52] <didrocks> same for me
[14:53] <didrocks> just noticed I spent more time reconciling the branch than working, so ended up to just apt-get source
[14:56] <seb128> didrocks, pitti: I usually use the vcs for srus until there is divergence then apt-get source
[14:56] <seb128> but I've nothing against others creating sru vcs-es, I just didn't feel it was worth doing before
[14:56] <didrocks> I don't care either way TBH, I'm using the vcs for where we don't diverge as well :)
[14:58] <didrocks> waow, gedit 3.2.1 replaced a GtkTable by a GtkGrid
[14:59] <didrocks> that results in some code change…
[15:00] <didrocks> at least, it's only on the replace dialog, let's try to dogfood that
[15:01] <CarlFK> how do I turn off the sound that plays on login?
[15:02] <CarlFK> script is the ultimate goal, but I can't find a gui option
[15:03] <seb128> CarlFK, there is no gui option
[15:04] <CarlFK> crazy.  I personally don't really care, but should that be logged as a bug? (guessing it already is)
[15:04] <didrocks> seb128: versions.html isn't updating anymore FYI. (and no, I didn't touch at the crontab yet ;))
[15:04] <seb128> didrocks, do you want me to have a look?
[15:04] <didrocks> seb128: I will have a look, just ensuring it's not on purpose
[15:05] <seb128> CarlFK, bug #840858
[15:05] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 840858 in gnome-control-center "No obvious way to disable Ubuntu startup sound" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/840858
[15:05] <seb128> didrocks, no, it stopped updating on friday it seems not sure why
[15:05] <seb128> guess something in the script didn't like the serie changes on launchpad
[15:05] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, ok, will look at it. Just testing a little bit more my new updates
[15:05] <seb128> (random guess)
[15:06] <didrocks> yeah, probably
[15:09] <didrocks> brb
[15:10] <CarlFK> seb128: thanks.
[15:10] <seb128> CarlFK, yw
[15:11] <CarlFK> any idea how I can do it from a script?  or where the patch is, maybe that will give me a clue
[15:14] <mdeslaur> seb128: is the user indicator switcher thingy gone from the default oneiric desktop? how do I remove it from mine?
[15:14] <seb128> mdeslaur, no it's not
[15:14] <seb128> you mean the menu with your name?
[15:15] <mdeslaur> seb128: yes, that one
[15:15] <seb128> it's hidden if there is only one user
[15:15] <mdeslaur> seb128: ah, guess mine's broken then
[15:15] <seb128> mdeslaur, or you can run dconf-editor -> apps -> indicator-sessions
[15:15] <seb128> there is a "user-show-menu" key
[15:17] <mdeslaur> hmm, I wonder why mine is showing and I only have 1 user
[15:19] <didrocks> seb128: wasn't it reverted even if you have one user?
[15:19] <didrocks> like, always show now?
[15:19] <mdeslaur> didrocks: my default install on my test laptop doesn't show it
[15:20] <didrocks> mdeslaur: oh? ok, so a bug somewhere, I do see it there with only one user
[15:20] <didrocks> and when I asked I was told the decision was changed to always see it
[15:20] <didrocks> (but that was more than a month ago)
[15:21] <seb128> didrocks, not sure, but guest account count as an user as well
[15:21] <seb128> didrocks, if you disable guest account it might get hidden
[15:21] <didrocks> ah, that can explain it if mdeslaur has remove the guest account :)
[15:21] <didrocks> removed*
[15:22] <mdeslaur> oh! let me try that
[15:22] <seb128> mdeslaur, did you disable the guest account?
[15:22] <mdeslaur> you know how paranoid us security people are
[15:22] <didrocks> they disable everything! :p
[15:22] <seb128> mdeslaur, well you said "test laptop", I didn't knew you were paranoid about test machines as well :p
[15:23] <mdeslaur> seb128: I installed it to specifically test how to disable the guest account from appearing in lightdm, as I had some complaints from people way more paranoid than I am
[15:23] <seb128> mdeslaur, ;-)
[15:24] <didrocks> if this is really the case, the behavior makes sense
[15:24] <mdeslaur> seb128, didrocks: ok, confirmed
[15:24] <mdeslaur> my fault, sorry for the noise
[15:24] <seb128> no worry
[15:24] <seb128> that also answers didrocks' question
[15:24] <seb128> they still hide it ;-)
[15:25] <mdeslaur> seb128: before I blog about it, there's no GUI to disable the guest account, right? it's a lightdm.conf setting only?
[15:26] <seb128> mdeslaur, correct
[15:26] <mdeslaur> seb128: ok, thanks
[15:26] <seb128> yw
[15:26] <didrocks> great then, I think they have hidden it even with guest session being there first
[15:26] <didrocks> but the current behavior is better
[15:27] <seb128> kenvandine, could you check on bug #871646?
[15:27] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 871646 in empathy "No notification for new messages" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/871646
[15:28]  * kenvandine looks
[15:29] <seb128> kenvandine, no clue about the bug, it just gets quite some comments
[15:30] <mdeslaur> is not remember where your blog is hosted a sign that you should blog more?
[15:30] <mdeslaur> s/remember/remembering/
[15:30]  * didrocks would love a --verbose on version.py, not sure if it's stalled or something else :)
[15:30] <didrocks> time to get it and debug locally
[15:31] <didrocks> weird that the contrab refers to 06,36 * * * * ~/desktop/versions-update which doesn't exist though
[15:32] <seb128> didrocks, DEBUG=1 ./version.py
[15:32] <seb128> didrocks, but feel free to change for an environment to a command line option if you prefer
[15:33] <seb128> or to add the option
[15:33] <didrocks> seb128: ah nice, will use this for now
[15:33] <seb128> drwxr-xr-x 3 platform platform 4.0K 2011-10-14 10:56 desktop
[15:34] <seb128> didrocks, seems like somebody moved "versions-updated" on friday
[15:34] <seb128> it's not me I was off work on friday, maybe pitti did?
[15:34] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, seems to be just that, I'm running it manually once with debug info to see if it doesn't go crazy
[15:35] <pitti> didrocks, seb128: I think I accidentally killed that when I cleaned up old stuff (we ran out of disk)
[15:35] <didrocks> ah Unable to open URL: http://people.gnome.org/~vuntz/tmp/versions/versions-unstable, [Errno 110] Connection timed out
[15:35] <didrocks> pitti: ahah, too many sweeping :-)
[15:35] <pitti> what is versions-update?
[15:35] <seb128> pitti, it was a
[15:35] <pitti> yeah, wrong globbing, sorry about that
[15:35] <didrocks> it's the script that bzr pull and run the script?
[15:35] <seb128> pitti, it was a 3 line wrapper to call the versions code
[15:35] <seb128> didrocks, yes
[15:35] <didrocks> pitti: seb128: ok, readding it :)
[15:36] <pitti> didrocks: thanks; sorry for the hassle
[15:36] <seb128> didrocks, thanks
[15:36] <didrocks> mystery solved!
[15:36] <seb128> didrocks, the <didrocks> ah Unable to open URL: http://people.gnome.org/~vuntz/tmp/versions/versions-unstable, [Errno 110] Connection timed out
[15:36] <didrocks> pitti: no worry, better to know why :-)
[15:36] <seb128> doesn't look good though
[15:36] <glatzor> hello mvo, should we have a blueprint for the pk compat thingy in aptdaemon?
[15:36] <didrocks> well, it's all vuntz's fault :p
[15:36] <glatzor> mvo, in preparation for UDS
[15:36] <didrocks> let's try again see if it was temporary, I can access it
[15:37] <seb128> didrocks, oh
[15:37] <seb128> let me restore versions-updates
[15:37] <seb128> I've a copye
[15:37] <seb128> export http_proxy=http://squid.internal:3128/
[15:37] <seb128> export ftp_proxy=http://squid.internal:3128/
[15:37] <seb128> cd versions; python versions.py; cp versions.html ../public_html
[15:37] <didrocks> seb128: oh great!
[15:37] <didrocks> ahah
[15:37] <seb128> didrocks, pitti: ^ it does thaty
[15:37] <didrocks> ok, that makes sense :)
[15:37] <seb128> the proxy are useful as well ;-)
[15:37] <didrocks> so that's how it can reach vuntz!
[15:39] <seb128> didrocks, restored
[15:39] <didrocks> thanks seb128
[15:39] <seb128> didrocks, yw, thanks for looking into it
[15:40] <didrocks> no worry
[15:40] <seb128> pitti, sorry we took those 179 octets back :p
[15:40] <seb128> you will need to find space somewhere else ;-)
[15:40] <didrocks> 179 octets, are you fool! :-)
[15:41] <pitti> heh, np :) I deleted some 16 GB of old WI tracker data, plus some other old stuff
[15:41]  * didrocks cleaned his ~ as well this morning on lillypilly, just noticed an old UNE iso :-) otherwise, nothing interesting, but just cleaning for cleaning
[15:42] <didrocks> let's make the script still tracking Oneiric I guess for the unapproved queue
[15:52] <pitti> good night everyone! time for taekwondo
[15:53] <rodrigo_> bye pitti
[15:57] <seb128> 'night pitti
[15:58] <didrocks> enjoy your taekwondo pitti :)
[16:00] <xclaesse> seb128, didrocks: is there an important reason why we don't have gdm 3.2 in oneiric?
[16:01] <jbicha> xclaesse: GDM 3.2 doesn't work well in Ubuntu yet
[16:01] <seb128> xclaesse, define "important"? I think ricotz looked at it but didn't get it to work. Otherwise nobody cared enough to do the update since it's community maintained since we switched to lightdm for Ubuntu
[16:02] <didrocks> xclaesse: what jbicha said, people taking more deep look at this are jbicha and ricotz (as they look at GNOME Shell)
[16:02] <seb128> or "we had too much to do and it's a priority since it's not our default dm and nobody stepped up to help"
[16:02] <jbicha> and GDM 3.0 is stable as we've been using it for 6 months
[16:03] <xclaesse> yeah by "important" i meant something like does it totally break, or is it just like for totem lack of space, etc
[16:03] <jbicha> seb128: could you accept my totem in the oneiric-proposed queue?
[16:03] <seb128> jbicha, no, I'm not in the sru team, but pitti probably can
[16:04] <xclaesse> does lightdm does on-screen keyboard?
[16:04] <ricb17> I'm having trouble accessing a windows DFS share via 10.4 LTS, but it works fine on 11.04
[16:04] <ricb17> http://pastebin.com/4aEp9Ynp
[16:04] <jbicha> seb128: oh ok
[16:04] <jbicha> xclaesse: there's an experimental GDM 3.2 build at https://launchpad.net/~tista/+archive/gtk3/+packages
[16:04] <ricb17> anyone have any suggestions on how to see what package may need to be upgraded?
[16:06] <xclaesse> seb128, FYI setting autologin user in gdm makes it not start at all on oneiric
[16:06] <didrocks> xclaesse: it can run onboard, yeah
[16:07] <xclaesse> didrocks, is that the small ugly window like 10 years ago, or a nice thing like caribou ?
[16:07] <didrocks> xclaesse: it's a tweak one, there are colors IIRC now for making it more accessible
[16:09] <seb128> or, done with catching up with the desktop bugs since thursday evening, it took me the day (well I replied and commented on quite some)
[16:09] <seb128> I'm out for a bit, need a work break ;-)
[16:09] <seb128> bbl
[16:10] <didrocks> seb128: stop taking holidays on Friday, see how bad it is! :-)
[16:11] <didrocks> seb128: enjoy, see you probably tomorrow!
[16:11] <seb128> hehe
[16:11] <seb128> didrocks, thanks, you as well!
[16:11] <didrocks> :-)
[16:11] <didrocks> thanks!
[16:11] <seb128> rodrigo_, I noted you down for the g-s-d and g-c-c updates on the etherpad
[16:11] <seb128> didrocks, thanks for the other ones you took on
[16:11] <didrocks> you're welcome
[16:13] <didrocks> seb128: stop adding back the one I steal! :-)
[16:13] <rodrigo_> seb128, yes, I'm 1st doing some testing to make sure nothing breaks
[16:13] <seb128> didrocks, lol, sorry about that, I though I deleted one by error
[16:13] <didrocks> jbicha: did you push gnome-utils anywhere? (seeing a staged change, but no upload)
[16:14] <didrocks> seb128: heh, no worry :)
[16:16] <seb128> didrocks, no, we said the fix could wait for the .1 upload for gnome-utils
[16:16] <seb128> so no upload
[16:17] <jbicha> didrocks: no, I didn't upload it
[16:17] <didrocks> seb128: jbicha: ok, thanks for confirming, I'll use this bug report :)
[16:33] <CarlFK> jbicha:
[16:33] <CarlFK> er..
[16:34] <CarlFK> Bug #840858   "... committed my fix to the ubuntu-desktop branch."   can you point me to that, or just tell me what gconf key I need to set
[16:35] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 840858 in gnome-control-center "No obvious way to disable Ubuntu startup sound" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/840858
[16:40] <jbicha> CarlFK: this is basically the fix: http://maketecheasier.com/disable-login-sound-in-ubuntu-oneiric-quick-tips/2011/09/15
[16:40] <jbicha> my change eliminates steps 1 and 2
[16:41] <rodrigo_> ok, out for a bit, bbl
[16:43] <CarlFK> jbicha: thanks.  but I need to script it, "gsettings list-recursively |grep startup" nothing... where is the list of startup apps found?
[16:49] <jbicha> CarlFK: it's not in gsettings, it's in /etc/xdg/autostart/
[16:52] <slangasek> mvo: the upgrade hasn't "forgotten" /var/run and /var/lock; /etc/rc6.d has been scrambled, making it impossible for the migration code to run reliably
[16:56] <CarlFK> jbicha: thanks.  figured it was something like that
[16:58] <didrocks> ok, time for some exercice and dinner, see you tomorrow everyone!
[16:58] <kenvandine> good night didrocks
[16:59] <didrocks> have a good evening kenvandine :)
[17:07] <xclaesse> jbicha, hmm, I've picked gdm from your ppa but it won't start :(
[17:07] <xclaesse> package from there: https://launchpad.net/~tista/+archive/gtk3/+packages
[17:08] <jbicha> xclaesse: it's not my PPA and that answers your question of why it's not in Oneiric ;)
[17:08] <xclaesse> :)
[17:09] <jbicha> xclaesse: when it's more usable, it will show up in https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3/
[17:09] <ricotz> xclaesse, be careful with this package!
[17:10] <xclaesse> jbicha, ah that gnome3 ppa is still used...
[17:10] <xclaesse> I though it was only for backports to natty
[17:10] <jbicha> xclaesse: it's the new and improved gnome3 ppa!
[17:11] <xclaesse> ricotz, yeah, luckily I can fallback to lightdm to log again :p
[17:11] <ricotz> xclaesse, i mean this gdm package
[17:12] <xclaesse> ricotz, yep, that's what I mean, the package broken gdm here :)
[17:12] <xclaesse> can't log anymore, had to change to use lightdm
[17:14] <ricotz> yeah, this tista messed around with the packaging quite a bit, like (accidently) reverting a lot of patches
[17:14] <CarlFK> jbicha: where is the "[x] Gnome Login Sound" setting stored ?
[17:24] <mvo> slangasek: thanks
[17:43] <maxb> Ok, so I've cp-ed /usr/share/themes/Radiance to /usr/share/themes/MyRadiance before I hack on it a bit, and changed the internal identifiers in index.theme - how do I make the running desktop become aware of the new theme?
[17:47] <jbicha> maxb: if you're talking about System Settings>Appearance, that is hard-coded to only support the standard themes + Adwaita, have you tried gnome-tweak-tool?
[17:57] <maxb> that.... seems like a spectacularly bizarre decision
[17:59] <geser> is this an upstream decision or an Ubuntu one?
[18:00] <jbicha> well, GNOME doesn't include a theme switcher at all so Ubuntu has added one but it doesn't support 3rd party themes
[18:15] <dobey> maxb: you can change it in dconf-editor, or use ~/.gtkrc-3.0 maybe (or whatever file gtk3 looks for now)
[18:28] <micahg> seb128: do you want a thread/session for webkit version?  I'm going to be trying to get some type of LTS commitment upstream for us, just not sure if that will end up being 1.6 or 1.8 (or nothing :()
[18:36] <luckyduck> Hi. Anybody else experiencing performance issues after 11.10 upgrade on amd64?
[18:36] <luckyduck> 11.04 worked fine
[18:37] <luckyduck> I've tried different nvidia drivers (dual monitor setup), but all of them seem to have issues.
[18:37] <luckyduck> Google doesn't shows the answers. Only found other people with simmilar problems :-/
[18:39] <luckyduck> (generally the windows are laggy)
[18:51] <cyphermox> luckyduck: what kind of issues, just laggy effects?
[18:54] <geser> jjardon: I saw that you marked bug #835297 as a dupe of bug #855287. It describes the same problem but I doubt that fix to lupin would fix my issue too as I got this problem from an upgrade from natty to the (at that time) development version and my installation is several releases old.
[18:55] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 835297 in indicator-datetime "Time not being shown, substituted by the word "Time"" (dup-of: 855287)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/835297
[18:55] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 855287 in lupin "date/time indicator displays string 'Time' instead of date/time on Wubi installation" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/855287
[18:55] <luckyduck> cyphermox: yes
[18:56] <luckyduck> luckyduck: when I move windows around, open new ones and stuff like that, the windows appears to be laggy
[18:56] <luckyduck> sound lagged a few times as well when i started chromium
[18:58] <luckyduck> None of this was an issue in 11.04. I doubt that my hardware is to slow or something like that.
[19:00] <luckyduck> Another example: When I simply scroll in PhpStorm the window doesnt get redrawn fast enough
[19:01] <cyphermox> best I can offer is that you should file a bug
[19:04] <luckyduck> ok, thx
[19:36] <broder> is there any way to cross-reference an accessible object on the at-spi bridge with its window id?
[19:36] <broder> (i'm working on some code that needs to use both at-spi and libwnck to get its job done)
[19:38] <dobey> broder: i'd guess you'd need the accessible object for the toplevel for whichever widget the accessible points at,
[19:38] <broder> dobey: right, and once i have that...?
[19:39] <dobey> broder: i thought the window ID was in the object's data somewhere
[19:39] <broder> hmm...i'll go look again
[19:40] <dobey> it has been a long time since i've looked at any lower level stuff in that realm though
[19:45] <Sweetshark> jasoncwarner_: ping?
[20:03] <seb128> re
[22:42] <rdesfo> hello
[22:42] <rdesfo> I'm using xubuntu 11.10 and my terminal wont write 'a'
[22:42] <rdesfo> it will still write 'A' and 'a' appears in my other applications.  Does any one know how to fix this?