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| ara | hello all! | 14:59 |
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| brendand | hi ara | 14:59 |
| roadmr | hey! | 15:00 |
| ara | Ok, let's get started! | 15:02 |
| ara | #startmeeting | 15:02 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Mon Oct 17 15:02:07 2011 UTC. The chair is ara. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. | 15:02 |
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| ara | Agenda: | 15:02 |
| ara | Some numbers | 15:02 |
| ara | What's UF site | 15:02 |
| ara | "Report a problem" and unrelated reports (roadmr) | 15:02 |
| ara | AOB | 15:02 |
| ara | #topic Some numbers | 15:02 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Some numbers | ||
| ara | I just wanted to give some numbers related to the first few days of Ubuntu Friendly: | 15:02 |
| ara | * More than 350 submissions | 15:02 |
| ara | * More than 100 submissions with more than 3 stars | 15:02 |
| ara | * 4 submissions with 5 stars | 15:02 |
| ara | * 7 models with more than 1 rater | 15:02 |
| ara | I think this is a great achievement for the first week of Ubuntu Friendly Beta. Congratulations to all! | 15:02 |
| ara | .. | 15:03 |
| ara | nobody comments on those? no clapping? no cheering? | 15:03 |
| ara | c'mon! | 15:03 |
| roadmr | \o/ | 15:03 |
| ara | *\o/* | 15:04 |
| brendand | \o/ | 15:04 |
| roadmr | it's quite impressive :) and I'm glad to see 5-star models, time and more submissions will tell if these are like the "gold standard" | 15:04 |
| roadmr | .. | 15:04 |
| brendand | especially good to see we're getting multiple people testing the same system | 15:04 |
| ara | yes, I think we will need a lot more submissions until we start seeing more models with more than 1 rater | 15:05 |
| ara | but it is good that we are seeing some :) | 15:05 |
| ara | #topic What's UF site page | 15:05 |
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| ara | We have seen that there are a lot of people asking about the scoring system. We think that at friendly.ubuntu.com there should be a general page explaining what the programme is about and how it works. | 15:06 |
| ara | We have opened this bug for it: | 15:06 |
| ara | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-friendly/+bug/876314 | 15:06 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 876314 in Ubuntu Friendly "We need a static page explaining a bit the programme on the site" [High,Triaged] | 15:06 |
| ara | These are the things that we will include in that page: | 15:06 |
| ara | * A very brief explanation of the programme, the aim of it and a link to how to participate | 15:06 |
| ara | * An explanation of the scoring and that people can repeat the testing if they made a mistake | 15:06 |
| ara | * How to report bugs | 15:06 |
| ara | * A disclaimer that Ubuntu Friendly will be in BETA until the release of 12.04 LTS | 15:06 |
| ara | Anything else? What else do you think is needed? | 15:06 |
| ara | .. | 15:06 |
| roadmr | o/ | 15:06 |
| ara | roadmr, go ahead! | 15:07 |
| roadmr | I'll be explaining a bit about the scoring system on the Open Week presentation tomorrow | 15:07 |
| roadmr | of course only people who attend that session will get that information, and I don't really go into too much detail | 15:08 |
| roadmr | but it may be a start. | 15:08 |
| roadmr | .. | 15:08 |
| ara | good! | 15:08 |
| ara | Yes, friendly reminder that tomorrow roadmr will be giving a session about UF in the open week | 15:08 |
| ara | what time roadmr? | 15:08 |
| roadmr | it's at 16:00 UTC | 15:09 |
| roadmr | in #ubuntu-classroom | 15:09 |
| roadmr | .. | 15:09 |
| ara | Cool, let your friends know! :) | 15:09 |
| ara | Any other comments on the page? | 15:10 |
| ara | OK, moving on | 15:11 |
| ara | # "Report a problem" and unrelated reports (roadmr) | 15:11 |
| ara | oops | 15:11 |
| ara | #topic "Report a problem" and unrelated reports (roadmr) | 15:11 |
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| ara | much better | 15:11 |
| roadmr | heheheh | 15:11 |
| roadmr | so if I may | 15:12 |
| roadmr | We like people to use UF as their first "point of contact" when looking for info about their systems, but we risk a deluge of unrelated bug reports. | 15:12 |
| roadmr | If you're following the bug reports for UF you'll have noticed that we're getting reports for actual system problems that have little to do with UF. | 15:12 |
| roadmr | My proposal would be to change the "report a problem" link, and turn it into a classification page. | 15:12 |
| ara | o/ | 15:13 |
| roadmr | first section would be something like "are you having problems with your system?" - pointing people to support resources (launchpad, answers, forums). | 15:13 |
| cr3 | o/ | 15:14 |
| roadmr | Second could be "did you find a problem with the UF website/program?" - and this is where we'd point them to us. | 15:14 |
| roadmr | This could be a good place to put a link to the FAQ with typical questions like "what to do if I need to resubmit" or "UF says my system has 5 stars but the one I have sucks" and things like that. | 15:14 |
| roadmr | I think this beats having to invalidate people's bugs (rightfully, mind you) because they don't have anything to do actually with UF. | 15:14 |
| roadmr | .. | 15:14 |
| ara | my turn :) | 15:15 |
| brendand | o/ | 15:15 |
| jedimike | o/ | 15:15 |
| ara | first of all, I think this is a very good idea | 15:15 |
| ara | second, it seems that the "feedback" button can be more prominent :-) | 15:15 |
| ara | we actually have a link to ask questions and give feedback about a particular system | 15:15 |
| ara | http://friendly.ubuntu.com/11.10/Dell%20Inc./Inspiron%201520/I:BtuJMp:Qd:BHe:IB:BEip:E2z:BYQ:L:BEi/ | 15:15 |
| ara | on the right column | 15:16 |
| ara | but it seems like people are not finding it | 15:16 |
| ara | .. | 15:16 |
| ara | cr3, your turn | 15:16 |
| cr3 | 1. what if we enabled bug reporting by default in checkbox, would that reduce the number of bugs against ubuntu-friendly and would it improve the quality of bugs reported? | 15:16 |
| cr3 | 2. bugs shouldn't be invalidated as much as retargetted to the appropriate project where the user will probably be asked to run ubuntu-bug anyways, see poing #1 | 15:16 |
| cr3 | .. | 15:16 |
| ara | brendand, you go | 15:17 |
| brendand | i think we should also add to the page a section on what to do if you think a test is wrong or some other problem with checkbox | 15:18 |
| brendand | as we're also getting reports about checkbox via the ubuntu-friendly project | 15:18 |
| ara | o/ | 15:18 |
| brendand | not sure about enabling bug reporting by default though | 15:19 |
| brendand | .. | 15:19 |
| ara | jedimike, your turn | 15:19 |
| jedimike | I think there should be a link beneath the score, saying something like... | 15:20 |
| jedimike | "not the score you expected?" | 15:20 |
| jedimike | and linking to the explanation page | 15:20 |
| cr3 | o/ | 15:20 |
| jedimike | and a link saying "report a problem with the UF site", and finally one saying "I own this system and want to report a problem with it" | 15:21 |
| jedimike | or words to those effects | 15:21 |
| jedimike | that should get the right reports to the right places | 15:21 |
| jedimike | .. | 15:21 |
| ara | OK, my turn | 15:21 |
| ara | I was just going to say that I don't think it is bad to get reports that we then redirect to checkbox trough UF. For tests that are part of UF, this is a problem that people see in UF, not the tool. | 15:22 |
| ara | So I like getting those through UF, and then put them in checkbox with "also affects project" | 15:22 |
| ara | .. | 15:22 |
| ara | cr3, yes, sir? | 15:22 |
| cr3 | should people be able to find their own score/submission in ubuntu-friendly? without this, "not the score you expected" would be weird because I'm not sure people have expectations across 10s or 100s of submissions | 15:22 |
| cr3 | .. | 15:22 |
| jedimike | o/ | 15:23 |
| ara | jedimike, go ahead | 15:23 |
| jedimike | I like the idea of people seeing the UF score that their particular submission got, with an explanation of why it got what it did. | 15:24 |
| jedimike | We just have to get the technial RT/UF layer correct if we do that, which I'm sure me and cr3 can do | 15:24 |
| jedimike | .. | 15:24 |
| cr3 | o/ | 15:25 |
| ara | cr3, go ahead | 15:25 |
| cr3 | agreed with jedimike :) | 15:25 |
| cr3 | .. | 15:25 |
| ara | OK, I think that is something we should put in our wishlist for 12.04 LTS | 15:26 |
| ara | who takes the action item to open a wishlist bug against UF and milestone it for Precise? | 15:26 |
| ara | .. | 15:26 |
| ara | anyone? | 15:27 |
| ara | open a bug is not fixing a bug! :) | 15:27 |
| brendand | o/ | 15:28 |
| ara | cool! | 15:28 |
| ara | thanks brendand | 15:28 |
| * brendand put his hand up to talk | 15:28 | |
| ara | ACTION: brendand to open a wishlist bug and milestone it to Precise about finding someones submissions and explanation | 15:28 |
| ara | #action brendand to open a wishlist bug and milestone it to Precise about finding someones submissions and explanation | 15:29 |
| meetingology | ACTION: brendand to open a wishlist bug and milestone it to Precise about finding someones submissions and explanation | 15:29 |
| ara | sorry, you take the action item as well :D | 15:29 |
| ara | brendand, you wanted to say? | 15:29 |
| brendand | i don't mind taking the action item, but i do think this feature becomes less valuable as ubuntu-friendly becomes more stable. surely the reason for it is to find problems with the algorithm? | 15:30 |
| brendand | .. | 15:30 |
| cr3 | ara: haha, you rock! | 15:31 |
| ara | brendand, I think the reason is to let people know where is their submission, but yes, it might be less relevant as we go | 15:31 |
| ara | hence the wishlist bug and for precise, we will see if we finally implement it or won't fix it | 15:32 |
| ara | .. | 15:32 |
| ara | o/ | 15:32 |
| ara | I have a question for roadmr | 15:32 |
| roadmr | yes? | 15:32 |
| ara | did you know about the Feedback about this system link? | 15:32 |
| roadmr | ara: I did :) but it seems people go into the page and the first thing they see is "report a problem" up top, and assume it's meant for "any" kind of problem. | 15:33 |
| ara | then the page (or two links on the top) might be the solution | 15:34 |
| ara | roadmr, anyways, we need a bug for that | 15:34 |
| ara | roadmr, do you take the action to create it? | 15:34 |
| roadmr | ara: sure, I'll do it | 15:34 |
| ara | roadmr, cool, thanks | 15:35 |
| ara | #action roadmr to open a bug about creating a page on report a problem to redirect to UF or feedback about the system | 15:35 |
| meetingology | ACTION: roadmr to open a bug about creating a page on report a problem to redirect to UF or feedback about the system | 15:35 |
| ara | roadmr, we will continue the discussion about the solution on the bug report | 15:35 |
| ara | anything else on this topic? | 15:36 |
| ara | OK, moving on | 15:36 |
| ara | #topic Any Other Business? | 15:36 |
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| ara | it does not seems like it | 15:37 |
| ara | OK, then we can wrap up | 15:37 |
| ara | #endmeeting | 15:38 |
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| meetingology | Meeting ended Mon Oct 17 15:38:01 2011 UTC. | 15:38 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-10-17-15.02.moin.txt | 15:38 |
| ara | thanks all! | 15:38 |
| roadmr | thanks!! | 15:38 |
| brendand | bye | 15:38 |
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| kees | \o | 17:00 |
| micahg | kees: jdstrand is out so we're running a bit late | 17:03 |
| kees | no worries | 17:03 |
| mdeslaur | hello | 17:04 |
| mdeslaur | #startmeeting Security team weekly report | 17:04 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Mon Oct 17 17:04:38 2011 UTC. The chair is mdeslaur. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. | 17:04 |
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| mdeslaur | #chair mdeslaur | 17:04 |
| meetingology | Current chairs: mdeslaur | 17:04 |
| mdeslaur | sbeattie, micahg, jjohansen, tyhicks: ready? | 17:05 |
| tyhicks | mdeslaur: yes | 17:05 |
| micahg | yep | 17:05 |
| jjohansen | \o | 17:05 |
| mdeslaur | OK, I'll go first | 17:07 |
| mdeslaur | I'm in the happy place this week. I have a bunch of updates in the queue that needs testing, and should get published this week. | 17:07 |
| mdeslaur | Besides that, I have a few bugs to look at. | 17:07 |
| mdeslaur | That's it. sbeattie, you're next | 17:07 |
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| sbeattie | I have a php5 update to go out the door, an embargoed issue to test and release this week. | 17:08 |
| sbeattie | I'm also on community this week and will take jdstrand's triage task in his absence for today, too. | 17:09 |
| sbeattie | That's it for me, micahg? | 17:09 |
| micahg | I've got a small regression in libvoikko due to firefox that I've got to upload, I'll be working on getting oneiric/precise VMs/setup this week, and it's a short week for me, I'm out Thu/Fri | 17:10 |
| micahg | tyhicks: tag | 17:10 |
| tyhicks | I'm in the happy place this week. | 17:10 |
| tyhicks | I'm going to be working on an ecryptfs-utils bug and some eCryptfs kernel bugs reported recently. | 17:11 |
| tyhicks | That's it for me | 17:11 |
| tyhicks | jjohansen: you're up | 17:11 |
| jjohansen | I'm in the learning place this week (so I guess that's happy place) | 17:11 |
| jjohansen | I have some new staff tasks to finish off yet, and the kernel cve process to learn | 17:12 |
| jjohansen | and I can always fall back to apparmor bugs, and dev | 17:12 |
| jjohansen | but some how I think I will probably be kept busy | 17:12 |
| sbeattie | jjohansen: welcome to the team! | 17:13 |
| mdeslaur | jjohansen: welcome! | 17:13 |
| jjohansen | good to be here | 17:13 |
| jjohansen | I think that is it from me | 17:13 |
| jjohansen | mdeslaur: back to you? | 17:14 |
| mdeslaur | yep, hold on a sec, I'm generating the highlighted packages | 17:14 |
| micahg | jjohansen: I think as a specialist, you might be in the perpetual happy place :) | 17:15 |
| mdeslaur | The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/S | 17:15 |
| mdeslaur | ecuri | 17:15 |
| jjohansen | micahg: well I can't help being an optomist! | 17:16 |
| mdeslaur | Here are this weeks packages: | 17:16 |
| mdeslaur | http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/phpbb3.html | 17:16 |
| mdeslaur | http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/zend-framework.html | 17:16 |
| mdeslaur | http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/libphp-adodb.html | 17:16 |
| mdeslaur | http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/root-system.html | 17:16 |
| mdeslaur | http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/oftc-hybrid.html | 17:16 |
| mdeslaur | Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss? | 17:16 |
| mdeslaur | ok, I guess that's it then | 17:17 |
| mdeslaur | thanks everyone | 17:17 |
| mdeslaur | #endmeeting | 17:17 |
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| meetingology | Meeting ended Mon Oct 17 17:17:09 2011 UTC. | 17:17 |
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| jjohansen | thanks mdeslaur | 17:17 |
| sbeattie | mdeslaur: thanks! | 17:17 |
| tyhicks | thanks mdeslaur! | 17:17 |
| micahg | mdeslaur: thanks | 17:27 |
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