[14:59] <ara> hello all!
[14:59] <brendand> hi ara
[15:00] <roadmr> hey!
[15:02] <ara> Ok, let's get started!
[15:02] <ara> #startmeeting
[15:02] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Oct 17 15:02:07 2011 UTC.  The chair is ara. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.
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[15:02] <ara> Agenda:
[15:02] <ara> Some numbers
[15:02] <ara> What's UF site
[15:02] <ara> "Report a problem" and unrelated reports (roadmr)
[15:02] <ara> AOB
[15:02] <ara> #topic Some numbers
[15:02] <ara> I just wanted to give some numbers related to the first few days of Ubuntu Friendly:
[15:02] <ara>  * More than 350 submissions
[15:02] <ara>  * More than 100 submissions with more than 3 stars
[15:02] <ara>  * 4 submissions with 5 stars
[15:02] <ara>  * 7 models with more than 1 rater
[15:02] <ara> I think this is a great achievement for the first week of Ubuntu Friendly Beta. Congratulations to all!
[15:03] <ara> ..
[15:03] <ara> nobody comments on those? no clapping? no cheering?
[15:03] <ara> c'mon!
[15:03] <roadmr> \o/
[15:04] <ara> *\o/*
[15:04] <brendand> \o/
[15:04] <roadmr> it's quite impressive :) and I'm glad to see 5-star models, time and more submissions will tell if these are like the "gold standard"
[15:04] <roadmr> ..
[15:04] <brendand> especially good to see we're getting multiple people testing the same system
[15:05] <ara> yes, I think we will need a lot more submissions until we start seeing more models with more than 1 rater
[15:05] <ara> but it is good that we are seeing some :)
[15:05] <ara> #topic What's UF site page
[15:06] <ara> We have seen that there are a lot of people asking about the scoring system. We think that at friendly.ubuntu.com there should be a general page explaining what the programme is about and how it works.
[15:06] <ara> We have opened this bug for it:
[15:06] <ara>    https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-friendly/+bug/876314
[15:06] <ara> These are the things that we will include in that page:
[15:06] <ara>  * A very brief explanation of the programme, the aim of it and a link to how to participate
[15:06] <ara>  * An explanation of the scoring and that people can repeat the testing if they made a mistake
[15:06] <ara>  * How to report bugs
[15:06] <ara>  * A disclaimer that Ubuntu Friendly will be in BETA until the release of 12.04 LTS
[15:06] <ara> Anything else? What else do you think is needed?
[15:06] <ara> ..
[15:06] <roadmr> o/
[15:07] <ara> roadmr, go ahead!
[15:07] <roadmr> I'll be explaining a bit about the scoring system on the Open Week presentation tomorrow
[15:08] <roadmr> of course only people who attend that session will get that information, and I don't really go into too much detail
[15:08] <roadmr> but it may be a start.
[15:08] <roadmr> ..
[15:08] <ara> good!
[15:08] <ara> Yes, friendly reminder that tomorrow roadmr will be giving a session about UF in the open week
[15:08] <ara> what time roadmr?
[15:09] <roadmr> it's at 16:00 UTC
[15:09] <roadmr> in #ubuntu-classroom
[15:09] <roadmr> ..
[15:09] <ara> Cool, let your friends know! :)
[15:10] <ara> Any other comments on the page?
[15:11] <ara> OK, moving on
[15:11] <ara> # "Report a problem" and unrelated reports (roadmr)
[15:11] <ara> oops
[15:11] <ara> #topic "Report a problem" and unrelated reports (roadmr)
[15:11] <ara> much better
[15:11] <roadmr> heheheh
[15:12] <roadmr> so if I may
[15:12] <roadmr> We like people to use UF as their first "point of contact" when looking for info about their systems, but we risk a deluge of unrelated bug reports.
[15:12] <roadmr> If you're following the bug reports for UF you'll have noticed that we're getting reports for actual system problems that have little to do with UF.
[15:12] <roadmr> My proposal would be to change the "report a problem" link, and turn it into a classification page.
[15:13] <ara> o/
[15:13] <roadmr> first section would be something like "are you having problems with your system?" - pointing people to support resources (launchpad, answers, forums).
[15:14] <cr3> o/
[15:14] <roadmr> Second could be "did you find a problem with the UF website/program?" - and this is where we'd point them to us.
[15:14] <roadmr> This could be a good place to put a link to the FAQ with typical questions like "what to do if I need to resubmit" or "UF says my system has 5 stars but the one I have sucks" and things like that.
[15:14] <roadmr> I think this beats having to invalidate people's bugs (rightfully, mind you) because they don't have anything to do actually with UF.
[15:14] <roadmr> ..
[15:15] <ara> my turn :)
[15:15] <brendand> o/
[15:15] <jedimike> o/
[15:15] <ara> first of all,  I think this is a very good idea
[15:15] <ara> second, it seems that the "feedback" button can be more prominent :-)
[15:15] <ara> we actually have a link to ask questions and give feedback about a particular system
[15:15] <ara> http://friendly.ubuntu.com/11.10/Dell%20Inc./Inspiron%201520/I:BtuJMp:Qd:BHe:IB:BEip:E2z:BYQ:L:BEi/
[15:16] <ara> on the right column
[15:16] <ara> but it seems like people are not finding it
[15:16] <ara> ..
[15:16] <ara> cr3, your turn
[15:16] <cr3> 1. what if we enabled bug reporting by default in checkbox, would that reduce the number of bugs against ubuntu-friendly and would it improve the quality of bugs reported?
[15:16] <cr3> 2. bugs shouldn't be invalidated as much as retargetted to the appropriate project where the user will probably be asked to run ubuntu-bug anyways, see poing #1
[15:16] <cr3> ..
[15:17] <ara> brendand, you go
[15:18] <brendand> i think we should also add to the page a section on what to do if you think a test is wrong or some other problem with checkbox
[15:18] <brendand> as we're also getting reports about checkbox via the ubuntu-friendly project
[15:18] <ara> o/
[15:19] <brendand> not sure about enabling bug reporting by default though
[15:19] <brendand> ..
[15:19] <ara> jedimike, your turn
[15:20] <jedimike> I think there should be a link beneath the score, saying something like...
[15:20] <jedimike> "not the score you expected?"
[15:20] <jedimike> and linking to the explanation page
[15:20] <cr3> o/
[15:21] <jedimike> and a link saying "report a problem with the UF site", and finally one saying "I own this system and want to report a problem with it"
[15:21] <jedimike> or words to those effects
[15:21] <jedimike> that should get the right reports to the right places
[15:21] <jedimike> ..
[15:21] <ara> OK, my turn
[15:22] <ara> I was just going to say that I don't think it is bad to get reports that we then redirect to checkbox trough UF. For tests that are part of UF, this is a problem that people see in UF, not the tool.
[15:22] <ara> So I like getting those through UF, and then put them in checkbox with "also affects project"
[15:22] <ara> ..
[15:22] <ara> cr3, yes, sir?
[15:22] <cr3> should people be able to find their own score/submission in ubuntu-friendly? without this, "not the score you expected" would be weird because I'm not sure people have expectations across 10s or 100s of submissions
[15:22] <cr3> ..
[15:23] <jedimike> o/
[15:23] <ara> jedimike, go ahead
[15:24] <jedimike> I like the idea of people seeing the UF score that their particular submission got, with an explanation of why it got what it did.
[15:24] <jedimike> We just have to get the technial RT/UF layer correct if we do that, which I'm sure me and cr3 can do
[15:24] <jedimike> ..
[15:25] <cr3> o/
[15:25] <ara> cr3, go ahead
[15:25] <cr3> agreed with jedimike :)
[15:25] <cr3> ..
[15:26] <ara> OK, I think that is something we should put in our wishlist for 12.04 LTS
[15:26] <ara> who takes the action item to open a wishlist bug against UF and milestone it for Precise?
[15:26] <ara> ..
[15:27] <ara> anyone?
[15:27] <ara> open a bug is not fixing a bug! :)
[15:28] <brendand> o/
[15:28] <ara> cool!
[15:28] <ara> thanks brendand
[15:28]  * brendand put his hand up to talk
[15:28] <ara> ACTION: brendand to open a wishlist bug and milestone it to Precise about finding someones submissions and explanation
[15:29] <ara> #action brendand to open a wishlist bug and milestone it to Precise about finding someones submissions and explanation
[15:29] <meetingology> ACTION: brendand to open a wishlist bug and milestone it to Precise about finding someones submissions and explanation
[15:29] <ara> sorry, you take the action item as well :D
[15:29] <ara> brendand, you wanted to say?
[15:30] <brendand> i don't mind taking the action item, but i do think this feature becomes less valuable as ubuntu-friendly becomes more stable. surely the reason for it is to find problems with the algorithm?
[15:30] <brendand> ..
[15:31] <cr3> ara: haha, you rock!
[15:31] <ara> brendand, I think the reason is to let people know where is their submission, but yes, it might be less relevant as we go
[15:32] <ara> hence the wishlist bug and for precise, we will see if we finally implement it or won't fix it
[15:32] <ara> ..
[15:32] <ara> o/
[15:32] <ara> I have a question for roadmr
[15:32] <roadmr> yes?
[15:32] <ara> did you know about the Feedback about this system link?
[15:33] <roadmr> ara: I did :) but it seems people go into the page and the first thing they see is "report a problem" up top, and assume it's meant for "any" kind of problem.
[15:34] <ara> then the page (or two links on the top) might be the solution
[15:34] <ara> roadmr, anyways, we need a bug for that
[15:34] <ara> roadmr, do you take the action to create it?
[15:34] <roadmr> ara: sure, I'll do it
[15:35] <ara> roadmr, cool, thanks
[15:35] <ara> #action roadmr to open a bug about creating a page on report a problem to redirect to UF or feedback about the system
[15:35] <meetingology> ACTION: roadmr to open a bug about creating a page on report a problem to redirect to UF or feedback about the system
[15:35] <ara> roadmr, we will continue the discussion about the solution on the bug report
[15:36] <ara> anything else on this topic?
[15:36] <ara> OK, moving on
[15:36] <ara> #topic Any Other Business?
[15:37] <ara> it does not seems like it
[15:37] <ara> OK, then we can wrap up
[15:38] <ara> #endmeeting
[15:38] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Oct 17 15:38:01 2011 UTC.
[15:38] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-10-17-15.02.moin.txt
[15:38] <ara> thanks all!
[15:38] <roadmr> thanks!!
[15:38] <brendand> bye
[17:00] <kees> \o
[17:03] <micahg> kees: jdstrand is out so we're running a bit late
[17:03] <kees> no worries
[17:04] <mdeslaur> hello
[17:04] <mdeslaur> #startmeeting Security team weekly report
[17:04] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Oct 17 17:04:38 2011 UTC.  The chair is mdeslaur. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.
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[17:04] <mdeslaur> #chair mdeslaur
[17:04] <meetingology> Current chairs: mdeslaur
[17:05] <mdeslaur> sbeattie, micahg, jjohansen, tyhicks: ready?
[17:05] <tyhicks> mdeslaur: yes
[17:05] <micahg> yep
[17:05] <jjohansen> \o
[17:07] <mdeslaur> OK, I'll go first
[17:07] <mdeslaur> I'm in the happy place this week. I have a bunch of updates in the queue that needs testing, and should get published this week.
[17:07] <mdeslaur> Besides that, I have a few bugs to look at.
[17:07] <mdeslaur> That's it. sbeattie, you're next
[17:08] <sbeattie> I have a php5 update to go out the door, an embargoed issue to test and release this week.
[17:09] <sbeattie> I'm also on community this week and will take jdstrand's triage task in his absence for today, too.
[17:09] <sbeattie> That's it for me, micahg?
[17:10] <micahg> I've got a small regression in libvoikko due to firefox that I've got to upload, I'll be working on getting oneiric/precise VMs/setup this week, and it's a short week for me, I'm out Thu/Fri
[17:10] <micahg> tyhicks: tag
[17:10] <tyhicks> I'm in the happy place this week.
[17:11] <tyhicks> I'm going to be working on an ecryptfs-utils bug and some eCryptfs kernel bugs reported recently.
[17:11] <tyhicks> That's it for me
[17:11] <tyhicks> jjohansen: you're up
[17:11] <jjohansen> I'm in the learning place this week (so I guess that's happy place)
[17:12] <jjohansen> I have some new staff tasks to finish off yet, and the kernel cve process to learn
[17:12] <jjohansen> and I can always fall back to apparmor bugs, and dev
[17:12] <jjohansen> but some how I think I will probably be kept busy
[17:13] <sbeattie> jjohansen: welcome to the team!
[17:13] <mdeslaur> jjohansen: welcome!
[17:13] <jjohansen> good to be here
[17:13] <jjohansen> I think that is it from me
[17:14] <jjohansen> mdeslaur: back to you?
[17:14] <mdeslaur> yep, hold on a sec, I'm generating the highlighted packages
[17:15] <micahg> jjohansen: I think as a specialist, you might be in the perpetual happy place :)
[17:15] <mdeslaur> The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/S
[17:15] <mdeslaur> ecuri
[17:16] <jjohansen> micahg: well I can't help being an optomist!
[17:16] <mdeslaur> Here are this weeks packages:
[17:16] <mdeslaur> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/phpbb3.html
[17:16] <mdeslaur> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/zend-framework.html
[17:16] <mdeslaur> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/libphp-adodb.html
[17:16] <mdeslaur> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/root-system.html
[17:16] <mdeslaur> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/oftc-hybrid.html
[17:16] <mdeslaur> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?
[17:17] <mdeslaur> ok, I guess that's it then
[17:17] <mdeslaur> thanks everyone
[17:17] <mdeslaur> #endmeeting
[17:17] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Oct 17 17:17:09 2011 UTC.
[17:17] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-10-17-17.04.moin.txt
[17:17] <jjohansen> thanks mdeslaur
[17:17] <sbeattie> mdeslaur: thanks!
[17:17] <tyhicks> thanks mdeslaur!
[17:27] <micahg> mdeslaur: thanks
[20:46] <em_>  /w 3