uvirtbotNew bug: #876116 in samba (main) "package samba 2:3.5.8~dfsg-1ubuntu2.3 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: package samba is not ready for configuration  cannot configure (current status `half-installed')" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87611601:23
uvirtbotNew bug: #876130 in facter (main) "Incorrect operatingsystem reported in puppet run" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87613002:04
jMylesIs there a quickstart to building a local cloud with oneiric?02:38
jtranhey all.  i'm having a problem after install nbd-server pkg, it says nbd doesn't exist in /proc/modules.  it's the exact same problem as described in this debian bug report:  http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=62838902:46
uvirtbotDebian bug 628389 in nbd-client "unexpected output during upgrade" [Normal,Fixed]02:46
jtranhowever, how do i get that equiv pkg for ubuntu?02:47
jtrani installed the debian pkg from above but i'm just checking to see if this is something that will make it upstream into oneirc02:48
twbInstalling packages from Debian will explode your system02:49
jtrani really needed a fix for now :(02:49
jtranand it appeared to work02:49
twbYou say it's the same problem -- does that mean you have a kernel you compiled nbd =y in?02:50
twbOr do you simply mean that it is the same symptoms02:50
jtrani mean nbd just works now02:51
philipballewWould it be possible to set up ssh on port 444403:12
twbphilipballew: I'm not stopping you03:12
philipballewbut would something? twb03:13
philipballewits the only open port at the school i go to.03:13
uvirtbotNew bug: #876168 in openssh (main) "EC2 Oneiric ssh "no-pty" triggers "PTY allocation request failed on channel 0"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87616803:17
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uvirtbotNew bug: #598335 in libcgroup (universe) "gnome locks up with cgroup-bin installed" [Undecided,Expired] https://launchpad.net/bugs/59833504:27
airtonixi'm looking for a good article about reasons why it's a good idea to notify stakeholders a week in advance about server upgrades that would take the server offline for any length of time05:30
airtonixi'm trying to get it across to my boss that it's simply not a good idea to just perform the upgrade right now without warning clients05:31
Myrttiairtonix: when the upgrade goes south, it is more painful to inform05:40
Myrttihave personal experience as a client05:40
airtonixMyrtti: i try to perform the upgrade on a clone of the server first05:41
Myrttiand if you do warn beforehand, don't assume clients read your blog. send an email with bcc instead, or use mailchimp or similar05:42
Myrttihave experience on getting the email afterwards with every customer in to-field05:44
Myrttiwhen things didnt work for some, they hit Reply All-button and vented05:45
airtonixMyrtti: yep we send a notice out with mailchimp05:53
eagles0513875_hey guys i have a quick question about xen and 11.1006:19
eagles0513875_seeing as there is no xen kernel can someone still run xen paravirtualized guests?06:19
RoyKeagles0513875_: iirc all the needed Xen patches are in the default kernel, both host and guest07:26
blinkizhello. I have a new Intel 204 chipset server here. First tried fake raid but ubuntu does not see any hard drives. why? Anyway, am struggling to get software raid to work. The machine will not boot! It is like grub is not found when UEFI tries to hand over the control.07:30
eagles0513875_ty RoyK :)07:31
smbeagles0513875_, Using the -virtual kernel has the advantage of having the pv net and disk driver built-in instead of being modules07:36
eagles0513875_virtual kernel???07:37
smbThere is a linux-kernel.*-virtual. Its limited down to essential modules for virtual guests. And with oneiric there is now also an extra modules packages that ships the rest of them in case they are needed.07:38
dhon_hi all07:41
eagles0513875_smb: im doing some testing to see how i can interface orchestra into an existing debian squeeze xen setup with already existing xen guests07:41
dhon_I'm having trouble setting up a 10.04 install using software raid - specifically when it comes to installing grub07:42
dhon_I've created a raid-1 device with a partition table which has the following partitions: boot(512mb),/,/usr,/var,/home07:43
dhon_these appear at md0p1, md0p5, md0p6, md0p7 & md0p8 respectively07:44
dhon_(boot is the only "physical" partition)07:44
smbeagles0513875_, Ah. Well I am not much help with orchestra. But I would try to get the -virtual kernel packages installed. The generic-pae and or server image would work as well but the blkfront and netfront do not get autoloaded.07:44
dhon_grub setup failed during install of ubuntu, and now I'm not sure where I'm supposed to be installing it07:45
eagles0513875_dhon_: the master boot record07:45
dhon_(sorry for talking over you guys)07:45
eagles0513875_dhon_:  your ok just brainstorming something im working on07:45
eagles0513875_dhon_: did you install using a pen drive07:46
dhon_yes, but using the desktop installer actually07:46
eagles0513875_cuz i have had the issue where for some reason i install ubuntu on my hard disk it installs grub to the MBR of the pen drive07:46
dhon_hmm strange07:46
eagles0513875_dhon_: try this put the pen drive back in and boot with it in i just want to confirm that it actually installed grub to the pen drive instead07:46
dhon_which MBR should it be installed to? /dev/sda & /dev/sdb, or /dev/md0 maybe?07:47
eagles0513875_dhon_: so you have software raid setup im guessin07:47
dhon_err, well I did have07:47
dhon_I'm currently reattempting from the start07:48
dhon_it's a new install07:48
eagles0513875_i would reformat everythign blowing away the raid setup etc07:48
dhon_is it okay to have boot on md0p1?07:48
eagles0513875_me grub using the net installation off a pen drive got installed to the right location07:48
dhon_grub knows about software raid devs?07:48
eagles0513875_when installing when it comes to the partitioning that is when you setup software raid if your using the server installer07:49
dhon_the strange thing is that I could chroot into the raid install, but grub-install would fail07:49
dhon_saying something about a missing mapping for md007:50
eagles0513875_your best i think starting from scratch07:50
dhon_well, it spat an error about that - it may have succeeded afterwards, it was unclear07:50
eagles0513875_i dunno if i were in ur position i woudl do a clean install from scratch07:51
dhon_I appreciate what the grub devs have accomplished, but I've never had much luck with the software :/07:51
dhon_yeah maybe I should get the server installer07:51
dhon_desktop installer doesn't mention software raid07:52
dhon_I just manually set up the raid and selected those partitions during install07:52
eagles0513875_dhon_: server is where its at07:53
dhon_is it better to have each partition as a separate raid array?07:53
dhon_and format the raw devices (ie no partition table)07:53
eagles0513875_dhon_: no one raid array is best i believe07:56
eagles0513875_then again it depends on how many hard disks you have07:56
eagles0513875_my server has 2 so i have setup raid 1 mirroring07:56
dhon_2 disks, raid1 - yep07:56
eagles0513875_dhon_: i have a single raid array07:56
ubottuTips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SoftwareRAID and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO - For software RAID, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto07:57
eagles0513875_dhon_: ^ the first link would be of use how to set up raid :)07:57
dhon_fake raid is not the same thing, correct?07:58
eagles0513875_you said you have software raid the first link is the onlyone you need08:01
eagles0513875_dhon_: ill be back gonna have some breakfast really fast08:01
dhon_okay, thanks08:01
uvirtbotNew bug: #876268 in mysql-5.1 (main) "Mysqld does not start: Bind on unix socket: Permission denied" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87626808:02
jamespag`morning all08:04
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dhon_evening :)08:06
koolhead17hi all08:33
lynxmanhey koolhead17, morning jamespage08:36
eagles0513875_dhon_: you managed?08:40
dhon_eagles0513875_: haven't progressed much, just been reading08:43
eagles0513875_dhon_: try get started i have an hr before i leave so i can help u while im still here08:43
dhon_cheers, I don't have the server installer, but I'll give it another try with the desktop08:46
dhon_should I use the MBR, or GUID partion table on the raid array?08:47
eagles0513875_mbr is the location on the hard disk08:48
eagles0513875_dhon_: that has something to do with grub08:49
eagles0513875_grub 2 i believe uses GUID's for the partitions08:49
dhon_I'm using Disk Utility to create the partitions on the raid array08:49
dhon_it says I can have the following parition table types: MBR, GUID Partition Table, None, Apple Partition Map08:50
eagles0513875_never used the disk utility i usually let it setup the partitions on its own08:51
eagles0513875_you can always just setup first with no raid then seutp a raid array via the command line08:51
dhon_as in, do a normal install on a single disk and then use those partitions to create a raid array?08:52
dhon_well that sounds like a good option08:54
eagles0513875_dhon_: one thing i dunno how to do is set up raid then via command line08:59
eagles0513875_i set it up during the ubuntu server install08:59
eagles0513875_dhon_: question though why are you setting up ur server with a gui08:59
dhon_'cause I have the install-thumb-drive already09:00
dhon_I was just going to disable gdm09:00
eagles0513875_dhon_: ok09:00
eagles0513875_just wondering is all you will also need to install the server kernel09:00
dhon_hmm, okay09:01
dhon_what are the differences? scheduler?09:01
dhon_power management maybe?09:01
dhon_it's really sounding like I should just get the server installer09:02
dhon_might save me another day of googling09:02
dhon_it's frustrating when things are so close, but they keep eluding you09:02
dhon_will 12.04 be LTS?09:04
ersidhon_: Yes.09:06
koolhead17lynxman: hellos09:06
dhon_ersi: cool, thanks09:07
ersidhon_: Basically, every two years there's an LTS. 8.04 10.04 12.04 :)09:07
koolhead17lynxman: i managed keystone/dashboard/nova without any effort working on virtualbox. :P09:07
* dhon_ slaps forehead09:08
lynxmankoolhead17: good ;)09:08
eagles0513875_dhon_: i can tell u my server is 10.04 and its rock solid. im only trying out 11.10 on a 2tb hard disk i have in my desktop to test out some cloud solutions09:09
koolhead17lynxman: how have you been? how was party :D09:09
koolhead17hellos Daviey jamespage09:09
lynxmankoolhead17: quite busy, party was good :)09:09
lynxmanDaviey: hey there o/09:10
koolhead17nice :)09:10
jamespagemorning koolhead1709:10
Davieyhey lynxman09:10
Davieyhey koolhead1709:10
* jamespage just waves at everyone09:10
koolhead17jamespage: let me know if you have time will ping you for the dbconfig-common stuff09:10
* lynxman feels waved09:19
Davieyjamespage: I think fop is begging for a merge :)09:21
jamespageDaviey: oh yes09:21
jamespagemight even get away with a sync TBH09:22
* jamespage is looking at merges and syncs this afternoon09:22
memoryleakhi, I get  PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php5/20090626/sqlite.so' - /usr/lib/php5/20090626/sqlite.so09:22
Davieyjamespage: awesome09:22
\shprecise already open?09:22
memoryleakI used to look for it with find / -name sqlite.so but nothing found on the system09:22
dhon_okay, I need dinner, I'm going to attempt this raid thing again tomorrow - thanks for the help eagles0513875_09:23
eagles0513875_no problem dhon_09:23
Daviey\sh: oh yes09:23
\shDaviey, very good...thx :)09:23
Daviey\sh: What is on your roadmap for this cycle?09:23
\shDaviey, FAI 4.x + Puppet + DC² + DC² Node Classifier eventually getting rid of NFS for FAI09:25
Daviey\sh: ooooo, nice09:25
Davieylynxman: How is mcollecitve looking? :)09:26
\shDaviey, do you know if anyone has freeipa on the roadmap for debian/ubuntu?09:26
Daviey\sh: ISTR there was some discussion a year ago, but i don't think it went anywhere :(09:27
\shDaviey, eventually someone can put it back on the table during upcoming UDS...it looks like a good thing to have it adjusted for debian/ubuntu09:29
koolhead17Daviey: https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/855467  needs to be closed now!!09:31
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 855467 in keystone "Keystone fails to locate any configuration file." [Undecided,Incomplete]09:31
* koolhead17 waves to kim0 09:32
sorenDaviey, jamespage: Do we use fop for anything in server land?09:33
jamespagesoren: Document generating I think - erlang09:33
sorenjamespage: Ah.09:33
sorenjamespage: Wow, so it's in main now? It used to be multiverse or something.09:33
lynxmanDaviey: mcollective is looking like a long and windy road :) I need to finish the whitepaper first then make sure the activemq merge is working then start on mcollective09:33
jamespagesoren: yep - I pushed it through MIR during oneiric09:34
sorenjamespage: Moved to universe during Intrepid. How about that.09:34
lynxmanDaviey: so I would say expect this to take me the best part of this week09:35
* kim0 waves back to koolhead17 09:46
uvirtbotNew bug: #876339 in samba (main) "package samba 2:3.5.8~dfsg-1ubuntu2.3 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: package samba is not ready for configuration  cannot configure (current status `half-installed')" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87633910:12
zuljamespage: fop?10:38
jamespagezul: yes10:39
jamespageI'll do it in a bit10:39
zuljamespage: which is....10:39
uvirtbotNew bug: #850154 in ipxe (main) "qemu cannot find ipxe roms" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/85015410:41
B0bbyI have some issues in my openvpn client server connection since I have tried to tuning the performance... before it works but since I added some a parameters now nothing works !11:15
B0bbyI got this error messages in the server side :11:16
B0bbyMon Oct 17 10:08:36 2011 VPN-Client/ Bad LZO decompression header byte: 011:16
B0bbyMon Oct 17 10:08:36 2011 VPN-Client/ FRAG_IN error flags=0xffffffff: FRAG_TEST not implemented11:16
B0bbyand  Mon Oct 17 10:12:54 2011 ROUTE: route addition failed using CreateIpForwardEntry: Accès refusé.   [status=5 if_index=20]11:16
B0bby Mon Oct 17 10:12:54 2011 Route addition via IPAPI failed [adaptive] Mon Oct 17 10:12:54 2011 Route addition fallback to route.exe11:16
B0bbyin the client side11:16
pmatulisB0bby: go back to your original config and add one parameter at a time11:17
B0bbypmatulis, I have added just two parameters : Lzo compression and fragment size11:18
B0bbynothing else11:18
ersiB0bby: Remove them and try again, then.11:20
B0bbyit' seems that it's a psychological solutions rather than technical ones :P11:21
uvirtbotNew bug: #876378 in samba (main) "package samba 2:3.5.8~dfsg-1ubuntu2.3 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: package samba is not ready for configuration  cannot configure (current status `half-installed')" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87637811:21
uvirtbotNew bug: #876387 in php5 (main) "fuser forking uncontrollably in cron job" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87638711:26
jamespagezul: formatted output protocol == document generation11:28
zuljamespage: ah11:29
jamespagezul: I think erlang uses it - hence in main11:29
jamespagehmmm: new depends - yuck11:35
jamespageDaviey: how badly do we want erlang docs?  http://tinyurl.com/6l4c53s12:07
jamespagebug 87641312:07
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 876413 in xmlunit "[MIR] xmlunit" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87641312:07
sorenerlang is self-explanatory. No need for docs. :)12:08
uvirtbotNew bug: #876425 in samba (main) "package samba 2:3.5.8~dfsg-1ubuntu2.3 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: package samba is not ready for configuration  cannot configure (current status `half-installed')" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87642512:11
lynxmansoren: that phrase... hurts in unknown ways :)12:17
zuljamespage: not at all :)12:48
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hallynjamespage, could you sponsor http://people.canonical.com/~serge/bacula-gawk.debdiff for bug 645082 ?12:59
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 645082 in bacula "bacula misses requirement of gawk" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/64508212:59
jamespagemorning hallyn12:59
jamespagehallyn: looking now13:03
hallynjamespage, thanks :)13:07
hallynhappy monday morning to you! :)13:07
zuljamespage: erlang is probably not the first thing you want to merge btw ;)13:08
hallynno you want to start with libvirt13:08
jamespagezul: not touching it for the moment13:08
hallynit's an easy one13:08
zulhallyn: i was going to poke it with a stick13:11
hallynzul,  you were? cool13:12
hallynI was considering doing a few more pushes of fixes which are NOT yet in 0.9.6 first,13:12
hallynso that when doing the merge we don't have to think about it13:12
hallyn(like the fix for lvm.conf having lvm_commands=1)13:12
ubottuFor upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes - see also http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/upgrade13:18
jamespageis vmbuilder still the preferred tool for creating vm's without building?13:24
hallynjamespage, I think that's supposed to become live-build13:27
jamespagehallyn: so is that a re-name or a different tool?13:27
hallyndifferent tool13:27
jamespageah - I see13:28
hallynactually I need to do some testing of those - I haven't used them in something like a year13:28
hallynI wonder what smoser uses to build AMIs13:29
smoserdifferent tool.13:29
smosercloud-images now uses live-build.13:30
lynxmanhallyn: the power of his mind :)13:30
smoserbut jamespage i would really suggest using cloud-images to bootstrap you.13:30
smoserdownload image, use it13:30
hallynsmoser, good suggestion, although i do think it'd be good for everyone to play with live-build a bit, both to shake out bugs and to know how to use it off top of their heads when they need to in a pinch13:31
smoserhallyn, i largely disagree.13:32
smoseri think building images is stupid13:32
smosera waste of time that will result in re-inventing something that is already done.13:32
smoserand if the images don't fit your needs, then we should improve them.13:32
hallynsmoser, and i disagree, bc i've been part of a project where we needed to build a minimal, *minimal* image13:32
smoseri find effort on minimal to be a waste of time.13:33
hallynsmoser, i think it's wrong to discourage people from becoming competent with tools.13:33
hallynsmoser, sometimes you don't get to decide13:33
smoseroh, i decide!13:33
hallynwhat's the smallest image you have?13:33
smoser650M root filesystem.13:34
smoseri realize its not small13:34
hallynnot just not small, completely unsuitable for the use-case we had13:34
smoseri just think that trading 400M for 1 hour of your time is useful.13:34
smoserand 1 hour is *very* conservative.13:34
hallynoh, now i get it13:34
hallynyou're looking ofr job security :)13:34
smoserwhat is the use case ?13:35
smoserremember the second part of my suggestion to not use live-build , was "we should make the images better"13:35
smosergenerally, my feeling is that live-build is an installer. if you build atop live-build, you're going to then add some little fixes for your little environment.  and then you're going to tell people to use your tools, and you're going to get your tools into universe and or main, and then we're going to one other tool that fixes quirks found after installing a bunch of packages.13:37
smoseri dont like installers.13:37
smoseri think the cobbler-devenv avoids being an installer nicely, by just letting the server install iso do the install and preseed it.13:38
hallynlivebuild is pretty darned flexible13:38
zulsoren: did you do the drawings yourself?13:38
hallynanyway, shock, smoser and i disagree on something :)13:38
smoserlivebuild is very flexible.13:39
sorenzul: No, I had a professional art company do them. It only cost a million dollars. I thought it was a steal.13:39
smoserit will allow you to stuff your little "fix up this quirks" perfectly well outside of it.13:39
smoserand your quirks wont work in other cases13:39
zulsoren: good to see the startup capital go to use13:39
sorenzul: Oh, those graphs? YEah, I did those myself.13:39
smoserwhat drawings is this ?13:41
smoserso i'm willing to accep that the cloud-images dont work for *everything*, but we really want them to work for lots of things. (just as we want the ISO to work for lots of things).13:41
hallynsmoser, what is supposed to be the most discoverable way to get the latest cloud img?13:42
smoserif you're going to poke around with live-buid, then please, when you find a little quirk in a package install that you ahve to work around,  *please* get your changes upstream.13:42
smoseri would need to know what "discoverable" means.13:42
hallyneasiest url to remember, or where to get a link13:43
hallyni.e. cloud.ubuntu.com -> click top link13:43
hallyn100% agreed on get your changes upstream, of course13:43
smoseryou want ami's ?13:44
smoseror downloads.13:44
hallynami's are efine for us, but some ppl want images without needing the euca tools13:46
smoserhallyn, browsing cloud-images.ubuntu.com is probably the best way for that.13:47
smoserbut we publish data that can easily be queiried13:48
smoser$ echo $(ubuntu-cloudimg-query p --format "%{url}" daily)13:48
hallynok.  for some reason i'm averse to - in a url i guess :)  but maybe i'll try using that more13:49
dnmonsPostfix is started before Dovecot in 11.10. Something which causes it to crash when Dovecot is providing SASL authentication to it. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11354218 Any idea on how to fix it?13:51
jamespagesmoser: so if someone wanted to automate producing a virtual machine image for use on a desktop/laptop under KVM does that advice still hold true13:53
jamespagei.e. start with the cloud image?13:53
smoseri would suggest 2 paths:13:53
smoseror... 313:54
smoseror... 213:54
smosera.) cobberl-devenv like "seed the installer" (i think security team has a tool that does this too... hallyn uses it, mdeslaur recently updated it)13:54
smoserb.) use cloud-image full disk image as a starting point13:55
smoserwhat kind of image is this that you're wanting to use ?13:55
jamespagesomeone == gnuoy who I noticed joined a while back13:55
gnuoysmoser, I'm just after vanilla natty to test installing openerp13:56
zulmdeslaur: can i take cifs-utils off your hands13:56
mdeslaurzul: what, for the dev release?13:57
mdeslaurzul: yes, please do13:57
gnuoythe serverguide for natty suggests using vmbuilder13:57
zulmdeslaur: yes k13:57
jamespagednmons, do you happen to know if that is a regression from natty?13:58
smosergnuoy, i'd be honored if you would take the time to try to follow https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEC/Images#Ubuntu_Cloud_Guest_images_on_Local_Hypervisor_Natty_onward13:58
hallynDaviey, so are you going to push spice-gtk now for p?13:58
smoserand tell me what did not work.13:58
gnuoysmoser, sure thing :-) (although it'll have to be after I've finished the day job)13:59
smosermdeslaur, i think that vm-tools needs to be its own thing. and i need to improve it so it doesn't have to remaster an ISO to give a seed file.14:07
mdeslaursmoser: feel free to fork it14:07
dnmonsjamespage: yes, it is.14:08
mdeslaursmoser: it's very oriented to the security team, it would be great to have a tools that's more generic14:09
mdeslaursmoser: (and isn't a 800 line bash script 90% composed of bad hacks)14:09
dnmonsjamespage: same system on natty did not have this problem. dovecot started about 8 seconds before postfix. now dovecot is started 2–4 seconds after postfix. which gives postfix a headache.14:09
hallynall right i think i'll sync qemu 0.15.0 today (maybe into tomorrow).14:10
mdeslaursmoser: so, I tried to use your external initrd idea so we didn't need to remaster the iso, and wasn't successful with virt-install14:10
smoserthen you did something wrong :)14:10
smosersomehow i was successful.14:10
smoseri think its a matter of getting the kernel params and kernel and intiramfs right.14:11
smoserotherwise i dont know how it could go wrong.14:11
mdeslaursmoser: weren't you doing it with kvm directly?14:12
smoserbut you can pass kernel and ramdisk and kernel params through libvirt14:13
jamespagednmons: not ignoring you - just looking at what changes landed in oneiric for upstart and dovecot14:13
mdeslaursmoser: I haven't found a way to do that with virt-install14:14
smoseroh... i didn't know you were using that.14:14
smoserwhat value does it provide you?14:14
mdeslaursmoser: if you specify a kernel directly, it won't let you specify a cd14:14
mdeslaursmoser: anyway, I spent some time on it, but didn't manage...it would be nice if we didn't need to rebuild the iso so I hope I got it wrong14:16
smoserwhy are you using virt-install ?14:16
mdeslaursmoser: I don't know...what should I be using?14:17
smoseri just assumed you were creating a disk image, creating a cd-rom, and laucnhing a libvirt instance with those attached.14:17
smoser(via specifying your own libvirt xml)14:18
smoserwoot! precise EC2 image boots!14:19
smoser(i realize it is basically oneiric, but still...)14:19
jamespagednmons: I think I can see what change caused the issue14:19
jamespagedovecot and postfix now start/stop on the same runlevels14:19
jamespagewhereas in natty dovecot started very early14:19
jamespagejhunt: around? need a little upstart guidance14:21
jhuntjamespage: yup14:21
jamespageso this is the situation - dovecot+postfix install14:22
jamespagepostfix authenticates through dovecot using SASL14:22
hallynzul, jdstrand, does the last comment in bug 874350 make sense to you?14:22
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 874350 in libvirt "Segfault: Failed to get udev device for syspath '/sys/devices/virtual/dmi/id'" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87435014:22
jamespageso is dependent on dovecot running14:22
mdeslaursmoser: I suppose that would be the next step to get rid of the iso rebuilding14:23
zulhallyn: comment #2?14:23
jamespagein oneiric a change landed which switched dovecot's start on from rc-sysinit to runlevel [2345]14:23
mdeslaursmoser: let me know if you get that working...and what did you mean by "vm-tools should be it's own thing"?14:23
hallynzul, yeah14:24
zulhallyn: umm...no :)14:24
jamespagejhunt: which I think is causing it to start later in the boot process alongside postfix which is a standard init script14:24
smosermdeslaur, can i 'apt-add-repository some-thing && apt-get install vm-tools' &14:24
jamespagejhunt: postfix borks as a result - is there any way to ensure that dovecot starts up before postfix bearing in mind they don't both use upstart?14:25
smoserbasically i think what you, jdstrand and kees created is useful to a much larger audience than is going to find it or use it under a subdir of a bzr repo.14:25
hallynzul, ok, i'll roll with it then :)14:25
mdeslaursmoser: I think a larger audience should be using something that was designed better, and doesn't depend on all the security team environment14:27
mdeslaursmoser: but yes, I do think we should have a tool to easily preseed test vms14:27
mdeslaursmoser: maybe testdrive should gain preseeding support or something14:27
alex88hi guys, i'm using csf firewall and i've setup some prerouting dnat rules to redirect some ports to vm, is possible to  use something different then prerouting and dnat to achieve the same result? so the firewall can filter/block also those connections?14:27
patdk-wkalex88, I think that greatly depends on what you call your vm14:28
alex88patdk-wk: sorry, virtual machine14:29
patdk-wkI know that14:29
patdk-wkbut what kind :)14:29
alex88you mean like kvm?14:29
patdk-wkxen, kvm ,virtualbox, or a vps, lxc, ...14:29
patdk-wkI would just use proxyarp14:29
alex88btw, command to dnat i used is /sbin/iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -i vmbr0 --dport 2223 -j DNAT --to #SSH14:30
alex88you mean like setup proxyarp that redirects packets after firewall?14:30
patdk-wkno, that is not proxyarp then14:30
patdk-wkI would use proxy-arp not whatever it is your thinking of, or think I'm saying14:31
alex88sorry but i haven't heard about that14:31
patdk-wkproxyarp would turn your firewall into a transparent system, as far as your vm knows14:31
alex88well, i have multiple vm, and each port goes to different vm14:31
patdk-wkin other words, you don't have real ip's for your vm's?14:32
van7huhi all14:32
van7huhow could I check if samba4 installed?14:32
patdk-wkthen your stuck with dnat14:32
van7huand running?14:32
alex88just 1 ip for the dedi14:32
alex88yup i think so14:32
alex88i just wanted to let the firewall intercept packets before going to vm14:32
alex88so if an ip get banned, it blocks also those packets14:33
patdk-wkit should, unless you really really screwed it up14:33
jamespagednmons: any chance you could raise a bug for that dovecot/postfix issue - it looks like a regression14:33
alex88patdk-wk: would you do a test to check where the rule for your ip goes and check why packets are not blocked?14:34
patdk-wkI dunno what your talking about, I don't have root on your system, so how could I check?14:35
alex88patdk-wk: you just try to hit a blocked port 5 times and i'll do an iptables -L | grep yourip to check where it goes, because if i do from here i won't have access to ssh anymore14:35
patdk-wkstill makes no sense at all to me14:36
alex88ok don't worry14:36
patdk-wkif it's blocked on the firewall, it won't make it to the vm14:37
patdk-wkunless you really really screwed it up14:37
alex88it does, maybe becuse packets are prerouted before passing to other rules14:37
alex88don't know, but i can access services into vm and not on ssh on main host14:37
patdk-wkprerouting doesn't bypass the normal tables14:37
patdk-wkand you only prerouted a single port14:38
patdk-wkbut then, you only showed a SINGLE LINE out of the whole firewall config14:38
alex88well, 15 ports14:38
patdk-wkhow should I know14:38
alex88i just have multiple lines like that14:38
alex88with different ports/ip, but it's the same14:38
lynxmanpatdk-wk: you can't make out the firewall config by just reading one line? Damn the Matrix :)14:38
patdk-wkhehe :)14:38
patdk-wkiptables -F, now that I can from a single line :)14:39
jhuntjamespage: do we know why that change to dovecot was made? I think now dovecot + postfix will be starting "around the same time" (ie "runlevel" - racy!)14:39
patdk-wkdovecot was changed from old init.d to upstart14:39
patdk-wksounds like postfix is still upstart14:39
patdk-wkpostfix is still init.d I mean :)14:39
jhuntjamespage: is there any reason postfix can't be upstartified? seems a little odd that a main pkg is using sysv and a dependent pkg in universe is using Upstart...?14:39
jamespagejhunt: bug 820685 was the reason it was changed14:40
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 820685 in dovecot "dovecot does not start again on transition from runlevel 1 to 2" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82068514:40
jamespagejhunt: I've not looks at upstart for postfix14:41
jamespageboth packages are in main I thinl14:41
uvirtbotNew bug: #875921 in python-stompy (main) "Please merge python-stompy 0.2.9-1 from debian wheezy " [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87592114:42
zuljamespage: it hasnt been converted yet14:42
zuljamespage: feel free ;)14:42
* jamespage takes a deep breath14:43
patdk-wkmy dovecot/postfix on lucid are both upstart'd14:43
patdk-wkhave an issue, but rarely, but I haven't made postfix depend on dovecot14:43
zuljamespage: the ebox people might have done it though14:43
jhuntjamespage: It'd need testing of course, but "start on starting rc" (for dovecot) should give you the behaviour you're after".14:45
jamespagejhunt: its difficult because start of [2345] is actually correct14:45
jamespageits only in the instance here postfix+dovecot are deployed together with SASL auth that we get the issue14:46
jamespagednmons: please see jhunts comment above - that should sort you out (but please still raise a bug!)14:47
jhuntchanging dovecot to be "start on starting rc" should work in both cases.14:48
jamespagejhunt: so that should start dovecot just before the runlevel itself starts?14:50
jamespage(just trying to get my head around this)14:50
jhuntjamespage: no - that will start dovecot "just before" the SysV scripts (including postfix) are started.14:51
uvirtbotNew bug: #876579 in samba (main) "package samba 2:3.5.8~dfsg-1ubuntu2.3 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: package samba is not ready for configuration  cannot configure (current status `half-installed') during upgrade from ubuntu 11.04 to 11.10" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87657914:51
jhuntjamespage: since 'rc' starts on runlevel anyway, you get what you want :)14:52
jamespagejhunt: so 'start on starting rc RUNLEVEL=[2345]'?14:52
jhuntjamespage: event sequence will thus effectively be: runlevel, dovecot, rc, postfix.14:53
jhuntjamespage: right.14:53
jamespagejhunt: OK - thanks for the advice14:54
jhuntjamespage: np.14:54
madalinNagios related question. The following scenario: I have server1, connecting to server2. Server2 has an internal network. I'm trying to get server2 to ping an INTERNAL ip on the network and passing its results to server1. I'm reading about check_nrpe and check_ping, but im way too lost. Anyone can help me out ?15:03
alex88patdk-wk: after banning an ip address fw adds the ip in input chain but i think that it's processed after the prerouting table is processed, right?15:05
patdk-wkbut INPUT is only processed for packets to that machine15:07
patdk-wkso you need to to go to FORWARD chain, for vm's15:07
patdk-wktechnically, you probably want it to go to both input and forward15:08
patdk-wkbut it would be so much easier to put them in a seperate block list, that both input/forward used15:09
alex88yeah, like if it pass the input table, it's forwarded15:09
zullynxman: ping15:10
zullynxman: er unping15:11
lynxmanzul: awww15:11
zullynxman: i was going to take rabbitmq-server off your hands but thought differently ;)15:12
zullynxman: but i can upload puppet for you if you want15:12
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lynxmanzul: sounds good :)15:13
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zullynxman: if you can point it to me the stuff you did for it15:14
Jeeves_How do I enable ubuntu-vm-builder (in Lucid) to create Oneirik images?15:14
Jeeves_Should I just copy /usr/share/pyshared/VMBuilder/plugins/ubuntu/maverick.py to oneiric.py and change maverick in the code to oneiric?15:15
van7huit's quite strange, why does ubuntu server use samba-4 as default?15:15
sorenhallyn: You know the debdiff from https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qemu-kvm/+bug/828789 will still require the new build-depends to be in main, right?15:16
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 828789 in qemu-kvm "[FFE] please enable spice support" [Medium,In progress]15:16
geekbriI've got to roll my own php .deb file, I'm having a hell of time with it.   I've managed to get debuild to use the proper configure command, and it seems to run a make and make install, but when i inspect the resulting .deb file it only contains some documentation and doesn't install the binaries.  I'm probably screwing this up severely.  Anybody willing to help me figure out what i borked?15:18
alex88patdk-wk: http://www.faqs.org/docs/iptables/traversingoftables.html as you can see it doesn't get into the input table as soon as destination changes on prerouting15:19
lynxmanzul: hmm gimme 2 mins15:21
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roboanyone have an idea why iostat -n would show 900 ops/s but only 82 rops/s and 20 wops/s? 20 + 82 does not equal 90015:35
smoserRoAkSoAx, is there a reason you did: $SNIPPET('orchestra_disable_pxe')15:40
smoserrather than 'cobbler_disable_pxe'15:40
smosersurely users of cobbler also would prefer that their installed ysstems do not remain in a reboot loop15:40
robosmoser, ....15:40
zullynxman: er puppet?15:55
Davieyhallyn: spice for P.. hell yes!15:58
Davieylets do it today :)15:58
Davieyjamespage: in truth, erlang-docs don't interest ME in the slightest.15:58
DavieyI'm tempted to say just strip them if it's easier, and re-introduce them if they turn out to be required15:58
Davieybut TBH, in the interests of keeping the delta small.. i'd favour dropping them.15:59
zulSpamapS: ping when you are around16:00
SpamapSzul: pong, but I'm preparing for my UOW session which starts in 1hr, so not going to be super responsive16:01
zulSpamapS: sure just wanted to know whats up with mysql 5.5...im going to start merging php 5.3.816:01
lynxmanzul: just one minute! :)16:02
SpamapSzul: Norbert is still lagging.. my DD app is progressing tho, so I should be able to upload it to experimental in the next couple of weeks.16:02
SpamapSzul: please *do not* do php 5.3.8 though, there is a serious regression16:02
hallynDaviey: well should we push qemu-kvm-spice on 0.14.1 version just to get it pushed?  (Then I can sync 0.15 tomorrow)16:02
zulSpamapS: i thought 5.3.7 had the regression and 5.3.8 fixed it16:03
SpamapS5.3.7 introduced it16:03
zulSpamapS: ok then...16:03
SpamapS5.3.9 will revert it16:03
zulSpamapS: k16:03
SpamapSThe php team strikes again!16:03
* zul grumbles16:03
zullynxman: how about now?...now...now...now :)16:04
lynxmanzul: your call is important to us...16:04
zullynxman: lie16:04
Davieyhallyn: works for me.16:05
Davieyhallyn: point me to a branch? :)16:05
Daviey(or diff)16:05
SpamapSI wouldn't be surprised if the debian PHP has a patch to revert the is_a() behavior tho16:05
hallynlemme make one :)  back in a few16:05
lynxmanzul: bug is #85489916:06
lynxmanzul: branch is lp:~lynxman/ubuntu/oneiric/puppet/lp_85489916:06
lynxmanzul: also attached to the bug16:06
zullynxman: cool...ill poke it after lunch16:06
lynxmanzul: so how about now? now now now? :D16:07
zullynxman: *grumble* :)16:07
lynxmanzul: rofl16:08
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DavieyHow goes?16:20
uvirtbotNew bug: #876640 in samba (main) "package samba 2:3.5.8~dfsg-1ubuntu2.3 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: package samba is not ready for configuration  cannot configure (current status `half-installed')" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87664016:21
zulDaviey: it went16:23
Davieyzul: it went?16:24
zulDaviey: you asked how goes....i replied it went16:24
lynxmanDaviey: so now the question that pops to my mind is, should we switch the mcollective package from rabbitmq to activemq to reduce the delta? This is highly debatable16:30
Davieylynxman: I think it makes best sense to align with upstream as close as possible, if it's ossible to introduce an alternative dep then we could (and submit it to debian)16:32
lynxmanDaviey: hmm yeah, maybe a new metapackage for whoever wants to keep rabbitmq?16:32
Davieylynxman: hmm.. maybe.  Really, just try and align as close to possible as Debian, and submit changes there.16:33
lynxmanDaviey: yessir *salutes*16:34
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zullynxman: so i have issue with the puppet merge..a whole bunch of security patches got dropped from the debian package,  i know why, but it isnt mentioned in the changelog when you did the merge...also it should be set to precise now as well16:36
Daviey(and it looks like it's now a merge from testing, not unstable)16:37
lynxmanzul: it should be in the changelog, hmmm...16:37
lynxmanzul: I think it would just be easier to drop that FFe and do a straight merge from the latest testing on 2.7.516:38
zullynxman: yeah also the security team might freak as well16:38
lynxmanzul: those patches come straight from the security team :)16:38
zullynxman: yeah want me to handle that?16:38
lynxmanzul: if you want, I'm swamped with the whitepaper16:38
lynxmanzul: otherwise I can handle it in 2 hours or such16:38
zullynxman: ok...16:38
zullynxman: ill take it...wanna me close that bug16:39
lynxmanzul: depends on how much do you want to exploit your minions today16:39
zullynxman: meh...its sitting right in front of me...ill invalidate that bug then16:39
lynxmanzul: okay I'll submit a new one tonight then16:40
zullynxman: k unless if i get to it first16:40
lynxmanzul: race! \o/16:40
Davieyzul: When you merge python-xattr, can you submittodebian dh_python2 ?16:41
Davieydid -stompy transition get pushed back?16:41
zulDaviey: not yet16:42
zuljust done16:44
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DavieyUrsinha: around?16:48
Davieyjamespage: asm2, is it still worth our while having a delta?16:51
jamespageDaviey: I was looking at that earlier16:51
Davieyit *looks* like just running the test suite at build time?16:52
jamespageI think that is just about it16:52
Davieyjamespage: I'd sync it, then re-introduce a delta if there is an issue :)16:52
Daviey<-- yeehaaaa!16:52
Davieyjamespage: how did fop turn out?16:57
jamespageDaviey: sitting on that one for the moment16:58
jamespageit pulls back into main a load of packages we demoted last release16:58
jamespageinc. one which has updated to use maven16:58
jamespage70+ MIR16:58
jamespagedo we really want erlang docs?16:58
Davieyjamespage: Fancy opening a bug to track it?16:58
jamespagealready have16:58
jamespagebug 87641316:59
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 876413 in xmlunit "[MIR] xmlunit" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87641316:59
Davieycrikey o'reily.16:59
jamespagethats not what I said :-)16:59
lynxmanjamespage: I can see you saying that James17:00
Davieyjamespage: "gosh" ?17:00
jamespageI think I said: "by heck thats alot of packages" - well something along those lines17:01
lynxmanjamespage: that sounds realistic too17:01
jamespageactually looking at archive mismatching something already pulled in most of the know Java universe!17:02
Davieyjamespage: is it antlr?17:05
jamespageDaviey: I don't think so - its hard to read its so long17:06
Davieyjamespage: something introduced ~10:00am today17:08
Daviey(UTC) +/- 1hr17:08
DavieyAs we don't have a reliable -changes list, cannot confirm17:10
tzabarletar efter php, mysql, js... programmerare... ngn intresserad?17:10
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ersitzabar: ^17:10
jamespageDaviey: it might be ant17:12
hallynDaviey: I ought to do some testing, but http://people.canonical.com/~serge/qemu-kvm-spice-oct17.2011.debdiff17:12
jamespagehmm - or it might not be17:12
jamespageanyway thats one for tomorrow17:12
hallynDaviey: can you push the spice-gtk package (from the FFE bug) in the meantime?17:13
Davieyhallyn: sure17:13
hallynDaviey: I assume I can't dput it the .changes file for qemu-kvm as there is the new packagre?17:13
hallynmaybe i should re-try that sentence :)17:14
hallynDaviey: taking a walk, biab17:15
Davieyhallyn: heh, if what you are dputting has a higher version number (and obv. includes Ubuntu changes between when you did it and now), sounds good17:16
Davieyhallyn: have fun17:16
adam_g.wun 2117:18
dknshould i run lvm on a raid if i want hot swap support?17:18
dkni can't get an encrypted lvm to open until i reboot if pull the drive and put it back in17:19
UrsinhaDaviey: hey17:22
patdk-wkdkn, heh?17:24
RoyKdkn: iirc hotswap will work correctly regardless of lvm being there or not17:24
patdk-wklvm defently doesn't support hotswap at all17:24
patdk-wkif it's missing, it's failed, and the lvm fails17:25
RoyKpatdk-wk: won't md hide that if on a redundant setup?17:25
patdk-wknot sure what you mean by encrypted lvm, didn't think lvm supports encryption17:25
patdk-wkmd would yes, but that is another layer17:26
Davieyhey Ursinha.. how are you doing?17:26
RoyKpatdk-wk: the only really usable for raid on linux, though17:26
dknthat's the odd thing, hot swap works... the lvm shows up, it's seeing the drive as the correct device, when i go to unencrypt it keeps prompting me for the pass over and over, works fine again after i  reboot or if i don't put the drive out hot17:26
RoyKdkn: is this over md or directly on disks_17:27
patdk-wkdkn, what your saying doesn't make sense17:27
patdk-wklvm doesn't support encryption, so what is asking for a password?17:27
martynAre you sure it's not a sudo command asking you for a password?17:27
patdk-wkif it's encrypted, you would have to be using dmadm (cryptsetup)17:27
dknright now i have the pv, gv, and lvm all on one disk so i could encrypt the lvm since it's a hot swap offsite backup17:27
martyn(I know, sounds silly, but it's bitten  me once or twice)17:28
patdk-wkin that case, the encryption is working, but the lvm is not17:28
patdk-wkcause you have to export the lvm, then reimport it17:28
dkni use the disk utitility to unlock it actually :$17:28
patdk-wkjust cause the /dev/mapper exists, doesn't mean lvm is using the new one, it's still using the old one that is gone17:28
dknhow do i force it to update?17:28
patdk-wkdkn, tell lvm to non-active, then reactivate it17:29
RoyKdkn: I beleive what patdk-wk is trying to say, is that LVM does not support hotswap17:29
patdk-wkthat means unmounted all drives17:29
patdk-wkya, it sounds like he has a, harddrive -> dmadm(encryption) -> lvm, setup17:29
dkni don't mind doing that17:30
DavieyUrsinha: Did you see the changes i pushed to the reports?17:30
dkni unmount, lock, just was missing that lvm non-active step17:30
patdk-wkdkn, well, lvchange and vgchange will be your friends :)17:30
dknsudo lvchange backup -a y ???17:30
patdk-wkthat activates it :)17:31
patdk-wkyo uhave to deactivate it, and probably the vg also17:31
patdk-wkI haven't personally done that for a few years, I normally stay away from lvm17:31
dkndoesn't the deactivate option??17:32
dkn-a n?17:32
martyndkn : You -always- have to deactivate17:32
martynlvchange -a n <path to lvm> vgexport -a (don't worry it will only export groups that are ready to be exported)17:32
martyn(two commands there)17:33
martynthen you can reactivate17:33
martynthe -drive- is hot swap, not LVM17:33
UrsinhaDaviey: no, I haven't17:33
martynThis is why I use hot-spare solutions, and RAID17:33
martynand just leave the failed drive in the array until I'm ready to do maintenance17:33
dknwhat do you think roy?? just run them in raid1? instead of trying to swap out?17:33
DavieyUrsinha: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-reports-dev/ubuntu-reports/trunk/revision/4317:33
DavieyUrsinha: So, rather than using a tag for -rs and -ro, using a launchpad id.. Does that work well with you?17:34
UrsinhaDaviey: you should request a code review before pushing changes, you know? :)17:34
DavieyUrsinha: I followed the current workflow... :)17:34
DavieyUrsinha: i did check if people were using merge proposals first :P17:35
UrsinhaDaviey: there's no current workflow defined, and code reviews are a good practice, I thought that was common sense :P17:35
DavieyUrsinha: seems to be working, http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server/release-bugs.html17:35
DavieyUrsinha: Aye, which was why i checked first.. :)17:36
Ursinhaomg, it seems to be working? you're lucky I like you, you know that? :)17:36
DavieyUrsinha: So i know this is odd, but i check stuff before uploading :)17:36
dknlvchange: option requires an argument -- 'a'17:36
UrsinhaDaviey: lol17:36
UrsinhaDaviey: I'll take a look when I have reasonable internet connection17:37
DavieyUrsinha: sure.. on another note, the wiki output is broken.. but that was broken before i went near it :P17:37
* RoyK just upgraded to 60Mbps symmetric, which is somewhat reasonable17:37
UrsinhaDaviey: mind filing a bug?17:38
DavieyUrsinha: all the unit tests passed, so it can't be an issue.17:38
Davieyit does have unit-tests, right, right?17:38
Ursinhayou got me17:39
UrsinhaI won't be a bitch and say you could have written them as well17:39
Ursinhaoh wait, I just did that17:39
DavieyUrsinha: There is a bug... it needs to check if current development series has a milestone..17:40
hallynDaviey, not sure i understand what you said.  The new qemu-kmv has higher version #, 0.14.1+noroms-0ubuntu7, but it has a new package, qemu-kvm-spice.  i should be able to dput that?17:40
Davieyhallyn: oh sure.. the new binary package will wait in the archive binNEW queue for ~ubuntu-archive approval.17:40
Davieybut that is standard.17:41
hallynDaviey, cool, then i'll push after some more testing17:41
Davieyhallyn: did you see, bug 875001?17:42
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 875001 in libvirt "please merge libvirt 0.9.6-1 from debian wheezy" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87500117:42
hallynDaviey, yes i did.  it was obviously my plan all along, but zul said he would try it17:43
hallynzul, ^ wanna take that bug?17:43
zulhallyn: working on it17:43
Davieyhallyn: Yeah, someone else opened a bug already.. I knew it was on your radar, but thought you'd want to quote the bug number in the changelog17:44
hallyngiven the amount of stuff we're changing in p, i'll need to set up a precise test system post haste17:45
Davieysounds good17:45
Davieyadam_g: around?17:45
Davieyanyone seen Ben today?17:45
hallynDaviey, so did you push spice-gtk?17:47
adam_gDaviey: i am17:47
hallynDaviey, sorry, actually nm - spicec suffices for testing17:48
Davieyhallyn: you want http://people.canonical.com/~serge/qemu-kvm-spice-oct17.2011.debdiff reviewed and uploaded?17:48
Davieyadam_g: Having fun sir?17:49
hallynDaviey, i'm testing it right now.  i can push that myself, but wouldn't mind a good review!17:49
adam_gDaviey: trying to get thru back log of email from last week and find out whats going on. its been a while. :P17:49
Davieyhallyn: Pre-Depends is sort of a last resort.. is that really required?17:50
Davieyadam_g: hah17:51
hallynDaviey, I don't recall, but it's in qemu-kvm's right now.17:51
hallynDaviey, yes, it's needed for qemu-kvm.  but not for qemu-kvm-spice.  i'll drop that17:53
Davieyok, cool17:53
hallyn(debian suggests pre-depends for a package needed during .preinst;  qemu-kvm.preinst uses addgroup)17:53
hallynDaviey, suppose id on't need that provides: line either?17:54
ebachlehi all, I threw this question out at one point not too long ago, but it seemed like few people were around so i'm going to try again.18:05
ebachleI'm looking for the best way to configure a server so that once I graduate and my college no longer has me to maintain it that it is really set up in accordance with some set of best practices.  Any advice on where to start?18:05
dknhire the future IT firm now18:08
dknlet them set it up how they want18:08
ebachlewell considering they difficulty getting the administration to ok my measly $9/hr wage part-time18:08
ebachlecontracting out doesn't sound like it's one of our options18:09
patdk-wkwho is going maintain the security updates? replace failed parts? ...18:09
patdk-wkno matter how secure it is, if it's connected to anything external, it needs security updates18:10
ebachleMy boss is pretty good overall, she'd be able to keep it going if it didn't break entirely18:10
dkneven if it isn't something will break eventually18:10
ebachlelike she's totally capable of updating it and things, as well as troubleshooting any issues that come up in terms of individual programs or scripts or whatnot18:10
ebachleshe just doesn't have the background to set it up the right way the first time to make sure that happens the least, and I've got some idea as to how i'd do it like on something i would use individually18:11
ebachlebut the requirements on me at this job mean i have to be a bit more precise18:11
dknwhat kind of server?18:13
ebachleThere's two at least somewhat pressing for me18:15
ebachleone is BigBlueButton18:15
ebachleand the other is Kaltura18:15
ebachleso not any of the canned solutions unfortunately18:16
RoyKlol - from the cpufreq-set(1) man page: FREQuencies can be passed in Hz, kHz (default), MHz, GHz, or THz18:20
genii-aroundHeh, THz18:21
RoyKperhaps when someone creates an optical CPU one day.....18:22
patdk-wkI thought they did18:23
patdk-wktwo of them18:23
RoyKI thought they'd only made simple things, not CPUs18:23
dkncan't you get a 512 core atom server?18:24
dknnot exactly the first thing that comes to mind with THz18:25
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RoyKdkn: I'd missed that, but then, I'd love this one - http://carpetbomberz.com/2011/06/23/calxeda-software-partners/ - 480 core ARM thing in 2U18:26
RoyKnow _that's_ dense18:27
genii-aroundThere was some company in 2005-2006 purporting to have "quantum optical" chips but in the end it seemed like some scam. At the time they were claiming a 6 or 7 GHz laptop. Atom Chip Corporation18:27
patdk-wkwonder if vmware runs on that arm server :)18:28
RoyKpatdk-wk: :)18:28
RoyKpatdk-wk: xen might work18:28
patdk-wkwonder if it's still stuck to the 2 or 4gig memory limit :)18:29
patdk-wkoh wait, that is arm, not atom :)18:29
reya276Does anyone know what is the CIL Permissions (7**) so that a folder is read only by root?18:29
RoyKany idea how to get rid of these messages? as in how to ignore them and stop the kernel from bugging me? [100390.030872] TCP: Peer unexpectedly shrunk window 3010574087:3010584391 (repaired)18:29
patdk-wkroyk, don't talk to outside servers?18:29
RoyKpatdk-wk: I'd rather ignore those messages18:30
RoyKor stop them from being logged in the first place18:30
ersiRoyK: Make a syslog filter which matches that and logs to /dev/null18:31
RoyKersi: it still spams my dmesg, though...18:31
ersiRoyK: oh yeah, I forgot about that. heh'18:33
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* RoyK considers writing a fail2ban rule to end it18:36
RoyKanyway - packing 120 quad core CPUs into 2U is rather extreme....18:37
patdk-wkI hope you can fit enough fc/ib cards into it to make it useful :)18:38
patdk-wkunless it's a pure compute node18:38
RoyKmost compute nodes needs disk space somewhat18:38
patdk-wkmy mythtv frontends are very happy with iscsi/nfs over 100mbit :)18:39
RoyKbut then, at least for what we're doing, the compute nodes are 99,lots% CPU and NFS over gigE is sufficient for storage18:39
RoyKI wonder how they have setup those ARM CPUs - what sort of communication between them? local memory for all?18:41
patdk-wkso much for ff 7 using less memory18:47
patdk-wkmine is up to 2gigs and growing18:47
hallynDaviey, qemu-kvm-spice uploaded.18:53
hallynare you able to approve the new binary package then?18:54
Davieyhallyn: I am not, no.18:56
ersipatdk-wk: Do you have like a billion tabs?18:57
patdk-wkonly 2218:58
patdk-wkdamn, restart and it's using 600megs, firefox6 used to only use 200megs after a restart18:58
hallynDaviey, ok19:00
hallynDaviey, i'm going to be filing ITP for netcf as per bug 520386.  just heads-up19:06
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 520386 in libvirt "libvirt-bin hypervisor does not support virConnectNumOfInterfaces / unable to create domain with virt-manager using network bridge" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52038619:06
Davieyhallyn: cool, do you have a strategy to get it in Debian? :)19:12
hallynDaviey: strategy?  Not so much :)  I don't want to wait on the package to go into debian first;  but I do want to propose my package to debian19:14
hallynDaviey, I'll repply to debian bug 57307219:15
uvirtbotDebian bug 573072 in wnpp "RFP: netcf -- library for configuring network interfaces" [Wishlist,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/57307219:15
Davieyhallyn: sounds good!19:15
hallynemail sent19:17
sorensmoser: sorry, missed your question. The drawings in question are the ones in http://alturl.com/wqqpn19:20
blkperlhi server team if you havn't already seen it #876130 blocks the use of puppet in oneric, can someone assign an importance level so this gets looked at, thanks19:37
mdeslaurohm...does oneiric not support ip aliases?19:51
guntbertmdeslaur: why do you ask?19:52
mdeslaurguntbert: I tried to add eth0:0, and it's not working on oneiric, works fine on natty and hardy19:52
guntbertmdeslaur: (I'm trying to remember some changes in that regard, about a ear ago): how did you try to create it?19:53
mdeslaurguntbert: /etc/network/interfaces ...19:54
mdeslaurguntbert: let me paste the config19:54
guntbert!plastebin | mdeslaur19:54
mdeslaurguntbert: yes, I know19:54
mdeslauryep, someone else just tried it and confirmed19:55
RoyKmdeslaur: eth0:x is rather the old way - adding 'up ip addr add dev eth0' is a bit easier these days ;)19:56
mdeslaurRoyK: adding that to what?19:57
guntbertRoyK: *that* was it, thx19:57
RoyKmdeslaur: /etc/network/interfaces19:57
RoyKinstead of eth0:0 ......19:57
RoyKjust that one line does all you need19:57
RoyKand perhaps add 'down ip addr remove ...'19:58
RoyKerm, make that ip addr del19:58
RoyKman ip19:58
mdeslaurRoyK: thanks, I'll give that a try19:58
RoyKmdeslaur: just 'ifconfig eth0:0 down' first19:59
RoyKor reboot :P19:59
Patrickdkup ip addr add dev eth0 label eth0:0, :)19:59
RoyKthe ip command can be used directly from the commandline19:59
RoyKPatrickdk: heh19:59
Patrickdkor if you want more fun19:59
Patrickdkup ip addr add dev eth0 label eth119:59
RoyKheh - didn't know the label20:00
Patrickdkthe label makes it, ifconfig, compat :)20:00
mdeslaurRoyK: where is this documented?20:00
RoyKmdeslaur: no idea where I read it - google it :)20:00
Patrickdkman ip :)20:01
Patrickdkit's part of the iproute2 package20:01
RoyKmdeslaur: 'up/down' just says 'whenever this in goes up/down, run this command'20:01
mdeslaurRoyK: because the current debian documentation still says to do what I did20:01
Patrickdkya, I use a mix of both methods20:01
RoyKso 'up echo WTF! I'm alive!' will probably work20:01
Patrickdkroyk, I can't get that to work :(20:01
RoyKmdeslaur: has debian moved to linux 2.6 yet? ;)20:02
mdeslaurok, I still think this is broken20:02
mdeslaurRoyK: you're just working around it20:02
RoyK(i know, i know, but debian is a BIT on the conservative side)20:02
RoyKmdeslaur: sorry, just trying to help here :)20:05
mdeslaurthe examples in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples also say to use iface eth0:120:06
SpamapSI do actually think is time we did a bit of an overhaul on ifupdown best practices and docs20:07
SpamapSthe manual method that RoyK is describing is far superior IMO20:07
SpamapSand ifupdown is a big 'ol mess that is hard to keep up with the times20:07
mdeslaurSpamapS: that doesn't help with upgrades20:08
RoyKSpamapS: and the iproute2 method is what, 10 years old?20:08
sbeattieSpamapS: the whole point of doing it via interfaces is to abstract away so that when iproute3 comes along, I don't have to care.20:09
SpamapSmdeslaur: great point. We should be able to effectively convert them.20:09
SpamapSsbeattie: god help us20:09
Patrickdkroyk, the iproute2 method is still not complete20:10
SpamapSSeriously, choice between having explicit iproute2 commands and ifupdown managing my interfaces through a long server lifecycle.. I'm choosing iproute2 commands even if I have to fix them every time20:10
RoyKPatrickdk: what's missing there?20:10
Patrickdkyou can't work with arp in iproute2 yet, it's support is incomplete20:10
Patrickdkstill have to use the unmaintained arp package that is 7years old20:10
SpamapSJust go digging around in the source for a while20:10
RoyKPatrickdk: I didn't know that - thanks for the update20:11
Patrickdkattempted to update some firewall scripts to use iproute220:12
Patrickdkand hit that issue20:12
SpamapSStill choosing that over ifupdown's nowebm source mess. :)20:12
sbeattieSpamapS: why bother with ifupdown at all then and not just use your own rolled rc.local?20:12
Patrickdksbeattie, going slackware method? :)20:13
SpamapSsbeattie: encapsulation is good20:13
sbeattieSpamapS: but not good enough for aliased interfaces, apparently.20:13
SpamapSand I acknowledge all the benefits of having a declarative place to contain interface configs20:13
SpamapSbut ifupdown is a horrible implementation20:14
* SpamapS goes OTP20:14
RoyKhm... does md have something analogous to zfs scrub? as in checking every block if it's readable/correct. I somewhat doubt it, but it'd be nice20:15
Patrickdkit's called scrub :)20:15
RoyKhttp://wiki.xdroop.com/space/Linux/Software+Raid+Scrub ?20:16
Patrickdkyep, just add to cron :)20:17
Davieyzul: if you are tackling the libvirt merge, can you assign the bug to yourself please? :)20:17
zulDaviey: yeah im just about to eod so ill do it tonight...build fails right now because of the testsuite20:18
RoyKPatrickdk: IMHO a thing like that should be added to mdadm20:19
Davieyzul: testsuites are overated :)20:19
zulindeed...stupid nc20:19
Patrickdkroyk, maybe, but there are already many things mdadm don't do, that I do20:20
RoyKPatrickdk: and that's probably the most stupid answer I've heard in a while :P20:20
RoyKeven if I or you can do things manually, that doesn't mean it shouldn't be possible in a more user- or adminfriendly way20:21
* Patrickdk never thought mdadm was *friendly*20:21
RoyKwell, it's adminfriendly and rather well documented20:21
RoyKhacking around in proc or sys is like mdb/zdb hacking on solaris, it's deep nerdy and cool, but very far from admin friendly20:22
Patrickdkno, proc and sys is more like /etc/system20:22
Patrickdkmuch safer20:22
Patrickdkmdb is evil :)20:23
RoyKwell, yes20:23
RoyKevil can be used for good :P20:23
RoyKjust tread _really_ carefully :P20:23
* Patrickdk attempts to always reboot, after finalizing the mdb adjustment20:24
Patrickdkincase of random acts of corruption caused by the admin :)20:24
RoyKfirst hit on mdb on google is an article named 'Solaris Things: Don't be afraid of mdb'20:25
Patrickdkunless you use the -w switch20:25
uvirtbotNew bug: #876849 in samba (main) "package samba 2:3.5.8~dfsg-1ubuntu2.3 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: package samba is not ready for configuration  cannot configure (current status `half-installed')" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87684920:56
kirklandSpamapS: SRU team favor, please?21:00
kirklandSpamapS: could you get https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/byobu/+bug/796422 promoted to -updates asap?21:00
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 796422 in byobu "postinst chown can fail" [High,Fix committed]21:00
SpamapSkirkland: I actually just started reviewing SRU's 5 minutes ago. :) good timing...21:00
SpamapSkirkland: I'm going to go ahead and verify the update on maverick so that we have an unbroken chain lucid->natty->oneiric21:08
kirklandSpamapS: \o/21:08
kirklandSpamapS: cool, thanks.21:08
SpamapSkirkland: released to natty, lucid/maverick will release shortly21:08
kirklandSpamapS: ec2 instance should work just fine21:08
SpamapSkirkland: thats what I'm using. :-D21:08
kirklandSpamapS: :-)21:08
SpamapSheh.. 10.10 , with its double motd.. :-P21:09
SpamapSoh wait, thats not double.. its just *GIANT*21:09
jMCgHey folks - trying to boot a VM, I'm hitting this issue here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1423305 -- is that.. seriously serious? I can't have a separate /var ?21:19
lenios_jMCg, you don't have this issue21:20
lenios_ureadahead message has nothing to do with it21:20
lenios_can you paste your fstab?21:21
jMCgI can.21:21
jMCgI first have to kill the VM.21:22
jMCglenios_: http://sprunge.us/EVXX21:24
lenios_can you try without the last line?21:27
SpamapSkirkland: maverick and lucid done as well21:29
kirklandSpamapS: woot!21:30
kirklandSpamapS: thanks, you da man!21:30
jMCglenios_: same thing21:35
jMCg23:16:58 < jMCg> And this is how far virt console gets: http://dpaste.com/636142/21:36
jMCg23:18:34 < jMCg> And this here is the xml of the VM: http://sprunge.us/BOAU21:36
lenios_i would suggest trying to mount with defaults options21:39
lenios_(both /var and /srv)21:41
jMCglenios_: I have, on another machine http://sprunge.us/Ychb -- but that's run by 11.04 - haven't done the upgrade yet. Not sure I want to, anytime soon.21:46
lenios_i once had a similar non-verbose issue using a bad fstab21:49
lenios_jMCg, i would try to mount /var and /srv as ext4 defaults 0 221:52
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jMCglenios_: any idea if doing this by UUID will help any?21:54
lenios_i don't think it would help21:54
jMCglenios_: I'll do the same for /var - see how it does.21:55
jMCgSame thing.21:57
daishadari can't seem to get cp to preserve nfs4 acls... does anyone mounting nfs4 mounts see the same thing?21:59
lenios_jMCg, can you paste the result of fdisk -l or sfdisk -l ?21:59
jMCglenios_: from the host or from the not booting VM ;)22:00
patdk-lapdaishadar, why would cp perserve them?22:00
lenios_from the not booting VM22:00
jMCglenios_: that sounds difficult.22:00
lenios_don't you have any livecd?22:01
daishadarpatdk-lap: if you have acl inheritance on i would think it should... this is the behavior in other oses like solaris22:01
jMCglenios_: Well, that would be the Host system, sort of.22:01
patdk-lapman cp, says to use -/ for extended attributes22:01
* patdk-lap notes linux != solaris22:01
lenios_what are you using to run the VM?22:01
jMCglenios_: libvirt/kvm22:02
jMCgGimme a sec to download a grml ISO.22:02
jMCg2.6 seconds, to be exact.22:03
lenios_you really have a good connection22:03
jMCgIt's the small one :)22:04
patdk-laphe just has a *close* connection to a grml mirror :)22:04
jMCg110 MiB22:04
lenios_that's more than 40MiB/s22:04
jMCgWell I sure hope so. The severs are connected with 100Mbps - not sure how much the grml server has I connected to.22:05
patdk-lapheh, I'm connected at gigabit, but lucky to get 10mbit most of the time22:05
patdk-lapbut when I download from vmware servers, I get a nice 200+ mbit22:06
jMCglenios_: init=/bin/sh helped and was easier than trying to attach, and boot from a cdrom.22:20
jMCgIḿ not happy either.22:23
jMCgIt mounts on the host.22:23
lenios_what about sfdisk -l ?22:24
jMCglenios_: that's the second paste.22:24
jMCgOkay, so I thought, give it a shot, and this is where we part from sense and reasoning: http://dpaste.com/636182/22:29
jMCg# swapon -a22:30
jMCg[  632.178201] Adding 8388604k swap on /dev/vdb.  Priority:-1 extents:1 across:8388604k22:30
uvirtbotNew bug: #876910 in openssh (main) "When starting open ssh server without host keys in /etc/ssh/, the keys are not automatically generated." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87691022:32
jMCgI just looove it when it doesn't make any sense at all22:39
jMCgIf I get this right, then I cannot boot 11.04 with a 11.10 kernel.23:08
jMCgverifying that theory right now.23:09
jMCgYup. Gets me one step closer: http://dpaste.com/636205/23:24
jMCgNice, reproducibl every time. Even though the bug is supposedly fixed. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/61327323:35
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 613273 in udev "kernel panic on ec2 in system_call_fastpath" [Undecided,Fix released]23:35
uvirtbotNew bug: #876960 in samba (main) "package samba 2:3.5.8~dfsg-1ubuntu2.3 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: package samba is not ready for configuration  cannot configure (current status `half-installed')" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87696023:36
uvirtbotNew bug: #876959 in mysql-dfsg-5.1 (main) "no  mysql-server-5.1-dbgsym for security/updates repositorires" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87695923:38
uvirtbotNew bug: #876968 in lxc (main) "host Apparmor rules are applied to guests in spite of guests loading new rules" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87696823:56
jMCgMan, sometimes I hate computers.23:58
jMCgI should've listen to what my momma told me.23:58

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