[02:49] <philipballew> has anyone here used team viewer?
[03:24] <locodir-user> hi
[03:25] <philipballew> locodir-user, hi
[03:31] <locodir-user> hi, a have a problem with ubuntu 11.10
[03:32] <locodir-user> after the update, i did the reboot, and when everything supposly start to load , just stop in a black screen, saying that apache2 is looking for a network
[03:33] <philipballew> locodir-user, your running apache? is this a server?
[03:33] <akk> I hate boot scripts that assume a network is there.
[03:33] <locodir-user> no, that's the point, is not a server
[03:34] <akk> Usually they'll time out after a while, but sometimes it's a LONG while. Does control-C help at all?
[03:34] <locodir-user> i did not try that
[03:35] <locodir-user> i'been looking for the way to fix my pc, since eysterday in the morning
[03:35] <philipballew> well irc is a pretty good place for that
[03:35] <akk> Some versions pay attention to control-c at boot time, some don't, and I don't know if oneiric does.
[03:36] <akk> It's always worth trying. Otherwise, you could try ctl-alt-F2 to see if you can get a login prompt
[03:36] <akk> or else boot in single-user mode and remove or disable apache, then reboot
[03:36] <locodir-user> how i can do that?
[03:36] <philipballew> I wonder if you can just drop to a root shell
[03:36] <locodir-user> boot in single user
[03:37] <locodir-user> i can do that
[03:37] <locodir-user> get a shell
[03:37] <locodir-user> and i can acces my HD
[03:37] <locodir-user> i tried modifing a file in the etc folder
[03:37] <locodir-user> but nothing
[03:39] <crashsystems> Does anyone have any ideas for getting Ubuntu to ether install install security updates upon shutdown, or prevent users from shutting down while updates are running? I've got a bunch of end-user laptop workstations I need to have automatic security updates for without worrying about users breaking things by shutting down at the wrong moment.
[03:39] <akk> you could do something like chmod 000 /etc/init.d/apache2 (or /etc/init/apache2, I don't have an oneiric install here yet) to disable apache.
[03:39] <akk> Assuming you want to keep it installed -- if you don't, then just apt-get remove apache2
[03:39] <akk> maybe make that apt-get purge apache2
[03:41] <locodir-user> what could be better, purge or remove apache2?
[03:42] <akk> crashsystems: You can make upstart run something on shutdown, I'm pretty sure ... or else poke around in /etc/init.d, there's probably some shutdown stuff there.
[03:42] <crashsystems> hmm, I'll look into that
[03:42] <akk> crashsystems: /etc/init.d/killprocs is run on shutdown, I think (upon going to runlevel 1, looks like)
[03:43] <crashsystems> I'd like to think that the unattended-upgrade package would handle it, but I've not found anything that says how that package handles unexpected shutdowns.
[03:43] <akk> though going to runlevel 1 probably happens at startup too, and maybe booting to single-user mode
[03:44] <akk> I don't know either (about unattended-upgrade and shutdowns) -- would be useful to know.
[03:44] <akk> Maybe you should test it. :)
[03:44] <crashsystems> yeah, I'll likely throw an ubuntu instance on my virtualization server to test that out
[03:44] <akk> But apt-get is pretty well behaved about being interrupted -- worst that happens is it doesn't finish downloading, and continues next time.
[03:45] <akk> It still has everything it downloaded so far, and can continue where it left off.
[03:45] <crashsystems> yeah, apt-get handles it pretty nice, but once packages are downloaded if dpkg is running while the shutdown happens, crazy stuff happens.
[03:45] <akk> ah, true, that might not be so good
[03:46] <crashsystems> I'm looking to make a very light weight ubuntu image that just boots to a fullscreen chrome browser. I'd not worry about updates at all except I want to make sure the browser and flash are up to date.
[03:46] <philipballew> pleia2, you have a quick second for a ssh question?
[03:53] <crashsystems> I'm considering writing a little python script to just issue a shutdown cancel command whenever shutdown is started while the dpkg lock file is present, then use the ubuntu notification system to tell users that updates are currently running.
[16:44] <jtatum> Greetings folks in the south bay! Mountain View Ubuntu hour this Thursday
[16:45] <jtatum> pleia2: when you have a free moment (you must be busy with returning from travel), could you please ping twitter?
[16:46] <pleia2> jtatum: we do the twitter announcements on the day of the events
[16:46] <pleia2> mailing list and web forums for actual announcements
[16:47] <jtatum> okie dokie
[16:47] <jtatum> thanks :)
[16:48] <pleia2> dinda will be in town this week, I'll fwd this along to her
[16:49] <pleia2> I have an americas board meeting that night, but I can probably arrive to the hour late
[16:49] <akk> I'm in town for once, too.
[16:50] <jtatum> great!
[16:51] <jtatum> i will set aside some decals for you both :)
[16:54] <bkerensa> =o
[16:55] <akk> yay decals
[17:01] <Darkwing> Hey guys
[17:14] <MarkDude> hey Darkwing
[17:14] <MarkDude> So bkerensa is in the elite now with that tattoo
[17:14] <MarkDude> Hardcore
[17:20] <jyo> Hooray Mt. View Ubuntu Hour.
[17:45] <bkerensa> pleia2: Are you about?
[17:47] <pleia2> sorta, working, what's up?
[17:48] <bkerensa> pleia2: Can I pm my wiki just to run it by you before I put myself on Agenda?
[17:48]  * bkerensa is not sure what the typical application looks like
[17:48] <pleia2> sure
[17:48] <pleia2> unfortunately the agenda page is broken at the moment
[17:48] <bkerensa> =o
[17:48] <bkerensa> oh
[18:16]  * MarkDude wrote endorsement bkerensa 
[18:30] <MarkDude> Nice pangolin pleia2
[18:31] <pleia2> bkerensa: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/Americas is editable again :)
[18:39] <bkerensa> pleia2: You guys tamed that Python
[18:39] <bkerensa> :D
[18:39] <bkerensa> MarkDude: Thanks I will do check
[19:55] <MarkDude> bkerensa, the wiki is NOT allowing me to login
[19:55] <gua> "sorry mark, can't let you do that"
[19:57] <MarkDude> lol
[19:57] <MarkDude> thx Hal
[20:26] <bkerensa> MarkDude: What do you mean it wont let you login?
[20:26] <MarkDude> Standard LP stuff
[20:26] <bkerensa> MarkDude: You can e-mail it to me and Ill add it in?
[20:26]  * MarkDude did it tho
[20:26] <bkerensa> ?
[20:26] <MarkDude> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/bkerensa/Plugs
[20:26] <bkerensa> oh
[20:26] <MarkDude> took a minute
[20:26] <MarkDude> waited
[20:26] <MarkDude> THEN it let me
[20:26]  * MarkDude has NEVER like LP
[20:27] <MarkDude> always buggy as all get out
[20:27] <MarkDude> IMHO
[20:27] <MarkDude> done tho :D
[20:27]  * MarkDude even included a {*}
[20:27] <MarkDude> renders like your new tattoo ;)
[20:29] <bkerensa> MarkDude: Jono's Blog - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/10/17/ubuntu-tat/ (Badass has a new name)
[22:41] <zoclo> hi guys
[22:41] <zoclo> i have a problem
[22:43] <zoclo> some one in riverside Ca?
[22:43] <MarkDude> What sorta problem zoclo ?
[22:44] <zoclo> after update to ubuntu 11.10 in can not start ubuntu
[22:48] <zoclo> a program called "nanny" is stoping the process
[22:48] <nhaines> zoclo: can you share the exact error message that demonstrates this?
[22:49] <zoclo> yes
[22:49] <zoclo> is: nanny Stopping Sistem V runlevel compativility
[22:49] <zoclo> that's the error
[22:50]  * MarkDude was hoping it was simpler, thats not really a question I can help with :)
[22:50] <MarkDude> Sry
[22:51] <zoclo> i tried with aptitude
[22:53] <zoclo> but just instaled and deleted some packages
[22:53] <akk> Maybe delete nanny? (whatever it is)
[22:54] <zoclo> but how?
[22:54] <zoclo> i can not go to shell to tri it
[22:54] <akk> I was about to ask how you were running aptitude to install and delete things.
[22:55] <zoclo> when you go to shell, with control D
[22:55] <zoclo> you type aptitude
[22:55] <zoclo> and it opens a new window
[22:55] <zoclo> and you have different options
[22:56] <zoclo> the last one is upgrade,install,delete
[22:56] <pleia2> zoclo: is this on a desktop?
[22:56] <zoclo> no
[22:56] <pleia2> a VPS?
[22:56] <zoclo> in user@user:#
[22:57] <pleia2> I don't understand, is this a server you run, or something that's hosted somewhere, or..?
[22:58] <zoclo> no
[22:58] <zoclo> is a regular pc
[22:58] <zoclo> that's the point,
[22:58] <zoclo> after the update from 11.04 to 11.10, this apear in my screen
[23:00] <zoclo> and don't let me start ubuntu
[23:01] <bkerensa> brb rebooting Ubuntu Cloud
[23:02] <nhaines> I always know what the answer is going to be, even before I ask it, but I'll do it anyway.
[23:02] <nhaines> zoclo: did you back up all of your files and data before you upgraded to oneiric?
[23:02] <zoclo> no
[23:03] <nhaines> Okay, so the fun thing about Linux is that almost every problem has an answer and can be fixed.  That's the good news.
[23:03] <zoclo> but if i have to save at leastmy pics inDVDs i doit
[23:04] <nhaines> The better news is that you can also use a Desktop CD to boot your machine, copy all of your data to DVD or to an external hard drive, and then reinstall Ubuntu.
[23:04] <zoclo> im using a ubuntu 9something to have acces to the internet
[23:05] <nhaines> zoclo: are you using an older computer with Ubuntu 9.x installed or are you using an old Ubuntu 9.x CD on the same computer to access the Internet?
[23:06] <zoclo> using an old ubuntu, in the same computer
[23:07] <zoclo> and i don't have problems at all,to see my files
[23:07] <nhaines> No, of course.  That's the nice thing--everything will still be there.  :)
[23:07] <zoclo> yes
[23:08] <nhaines> Okay, if I were sitting in front of the computer I'd take a look at it but since I'm not, I think I'll recommend backing up your home directory and reinstalling.
[23:08] <zoclo> im lucky, if not, i could be dead already
[23:08] <nhaines> If you've been upgrading Ubuntu since 9.x, then you'll probably have a smoother experience installing 11.10 fresh, too.
[23:08] <zoclo> back up   home?
[23:08] <zoclo> in the same HD?
[23:08] <nhaines> Different hard drive.
[23:09] <zoclo> i only have one
[23:11] <nhaines> Do you have a USB drive or a second drive that is a CD/DVD burner?
[23:12] <zoclo> no
[23:12] <zoclo> the only one is the one im using to run the live cd
[23:13] <nhaines> That makes it very difficult to back up your computer.
[23:13] <zoclo> i know
[23:13] <zoclo> but if i can acces the shell
[23:13] <zoclo> i think i can delete nanny
[23:13] <nhaines> Do you know how big your home directory is?
[23:14] <zoclo> what if i delete the folder from the HD?
[23:14] <zoclo> the nanny folder?
[23:14] <zoclo> could work?
[23:14] <nhaines> That won't work.
[23:15] <nhaines> What happens if you boot from the hard drive, hold down Shift so you get a GRUB menu, and try the (recovery) option?
[23:15] <zoclo> that easy?
[23:15] <zoclo> let me try
[23:15] <zoclo> if don
[23:15] <zoclo> work i'll be back in a moment
[23:16] <zoclo> jiji
[23:16] <zoclo> over and out
[23:18] <nhaines> Anyone else feel free to take over (or keep an eye on this) because I unfortunately have to leave work pretty much at 5 and get some errands done.  It's a very busy week.