[05:36] <sakhi> morning
[05:53] <Kilos> morning all
[05:53] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[05:53]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[05:57] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[05:57] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[05:57] <Maaz> Enjoy Kilos
[06:25] <superfly> Maaz: tell Kilos Good morning!
[06:26] <Maaz> superfly: Righto, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[09:56] <superfly> eish, it's really quiet in here today...
[11:52] <Owkkuri> where's the proper place to add routes to an interface after it's been brought up? still /etc/network/interfaces?
[11:55] <tumbleweed> Owkkuri: just add them with route / ip route
[11:56] <Owkkuri> tumbleweed: I've got a whole bunch of "post-up sudo route add ..." in interfaces
[11:56] <Owkkuri> seems they're not always getting applied
[11:56] <tumbleweed> for a start, remove the sudo
[11:57] <tumbleweed> do the commands actually work?
[11:57] <Owkkuri> aye
[11:57] <tumbleweed> and you are using ifupdown to manage the interface? not network-manager?
[11:57] <Owkkuri> I think my issue may be related to ip addr add vs eth0:0
[11:58] <tumbleweed> you shouldn't need to use alias interfaces these days, with ip, you can add multiple IPs to an interface
[11:58] <Owkkuri> aye, i think that's what's going on
[11:58] <Owkkuri> this file's quite old
[11:59] <Owkkuri> maybe it's time to rewrite it
[12:13] <bmg505> hello
[12:13] <bmg505> anybody knows where I can get a usb type framegrabber for my notebook, obviously it must wek with ubuntu not loosedoze
[12:20] <magespawn> howdy all
[12:23] <superfly> bmg505: nope, sorry
[12:23] <superfly> magespawn: yo
[12:24] <tumbleweed> bmg505: easy answer to that is to buy a bunch of cheap ones. Most of them will probably work, and you can find the one that works best
[12:25] <magespawn> superfly my upgrade did not work.
[12:26] <superfly> magespawn: what happened?
[12:27] <magespawn> not sure there was a powersupply cut-off
[12:28] <superfly> magespawn: pop in a live cd, mount hard drive, mount -o bind /dev and /proc, chroot hard drive, continue upgrade
[12:30] <magespawn> looks like it was interupted
[12:34] <magespawn> thats sorted it ty.
[12:44] <bmg505> how is the new version?
[12:49] <magespawn> okay i am not such a big fan of unity though
[13:03] <Owkkuri> actually liking 11.10's version of unity over 11.04
[13:07] <superfly> I've grown far too attached to KDE to ever contemplate leaving :-P
[13:08] <Owkkuri> KDE just uses too much memory for my liking
[13:08] <superfly> hi zeref-c
[13:08] <Owkkuri> although i do like it
[13:09] <zeref-c> Hi superfly
[13:09] <superfly> Owkkuri: heavier than unity?
[13:09] <Owkkuri> mmhm
[13:09] <Owkkuri> sitting on 1.9Gb used where as with KDE it floats are 2.1Gb
[13:10] <Owkkuri> not much, but yeah
[13:10] <superfly> Owkkuri: tried Gnome Shell?
[13:10] <Owkkuri> I haven't superfly, I should
[13:15] <magespawn> how do i get it back to gnome. have googled but no luck with the directions.
[13:16] <superfly> magespawn: what do you mean, "get back to Gnome"
[13:17] <magespawn> yup
[13:18] <zeref-c> Superfly, how r u likin 11.10 so far, i'm bout to install it, to get used to unity
[13:19] <superfly> magespawn: I don't understand what you mean, please explain what you mean.
[13:19] <magespawn> i want switch back to gnome
[13:19] <superfly> zeref-c: I'm a KDE person, so I haven't experienced any radical changes
[13:19] <superfly> magespawn: from where?
[13:20] <magespawn> from unity
[13:20] <superfly> magespawn: I don't know. Try logging out and setting your X session?
[13:20] <superfly> I can do that with KDM
[13:20] <superfly> I presume LightDM can do the same thing
[13:21] <superfly> Maaz: google for ubuntu gnome classic
[13:21] <Maaz> superfly: "Ubuntu 11.04 Change From Unity To Classic Gnome « scottlinux.com" http://scottlinux.com/2011/03/05/ubuntu-11-04-change-from-unity-to-classic-gnome/ :: "Ubuntu 11.04 Natty login to Classic Gnome 2 Desktop" http://ubuntuguide.net/ubuntu-11-04-natty-login-to-classic-gnome-2-desktop :: "Installing / Using Classic GNOME Desktop In Ubuntu 11.10 Oneiric ..." http://www.webupd8.org/2011/08/installing-using-classic-gnome-desktop.html :: 
[13:22] <zeref-c> Hmmm
[13:23] <tumbleweed> superfly: install gnome-panel
[13:23] <tumbleweed> that's it
[13:23] <superfly> tumbleweed: thanks, now I know :-)
[13:23] <zeref-c> I tried to install it in vm, but got stuck at the retrievin files section.
[13:23] <tumbleweed> blame your mirror
[13:24] <tumbleweed> (or ISP)
[13:39] <zeref-c> Pew pew
[13:41] <zeref-c> Superfly, how come when i try to install 11.10 in vm, it stalls at the retrievin files section?
[13:41] <superfly> zeref-c: networking issues.
[13:42] <zeref-c> meh, i told it not to install any updates or connect to internet
[13:44] <tumbleweed> does the vm have internet access?
[13:47] <zeref-c> Yep
[13:48] <zeref-c> But durin the installation process, i unchecked the option to get updates
[14:00] <magespawn> ty tumbleweed
[14:06] <Kilos> did you win the great trek superfly 
[14:06] <superfly> Kilos: something like that
[14:06] <Kilos> yay
[16:35] <magespawn> howdy all
[16:42] <magespawn> howdy Kilos
[16:42] <Kilos> hi magespawn you well?
[16:42] <Kilos> see wesley weenie gonna miss the meeting the swine
[16:43] <Kilos> gonna have to take him short
[16:43] <Kilos> evening everyone else
[16:43] <magespawn> yes and you Kilos?
[16:43] <Kilos> good ty
[16:51] <magespawn> back again
[16:53] <zeref> pew pew
[16:54] <Kilos> hi zeref 
[16:54] <zeref> ji Kilos :)
[16:54] <zeref> *hi
[16:55] <Kilos> lol slow down
[16:55] <zeref> o0o0
[16:55] <Kilos> wb
[16:55] <zeref> wtf
[16:55] <zeref> oh, GF
[16:55] <Kilos> hi conradvo 
[16:55] <conradvo> hi
[16:56] <zeref> Kilos: whats wb?
[16:56] <Kilos> welcome back
[16:56] <zeref> zeref-c is gf
[16:56] <zeref> zeref is me
[16:56] <Kilos> zeref, whats gf
[16:56] <zeref> she seems to be using my phone
[16:57] <zeref> girlfriend
[16:57] <Kilos> oh ok
[16:57] <zeref-c> :)
[16:58] <Kilos> hi zeref-c  welcome to ubuntu-za
[17:00] <zeref-c> Hi kilos, i've been converted to ubuntu. Lovin it
[17:00] <Kilos> good girl
[17:00] <Kilos> some peeps are too brainwashed to even try
[17:01] <zeref> she was mac
[17:01] <zeref> i was like BLEH
[17:01] <Kilos> thats better than windows at least
[17:03] <Kilos> nuvolari, ping
[17:04] <zeref> hhhmmm
[17:05] <Kilos> oh my
[17:05] <magespawn> ha thats a good one if she is still on windows
[17:05] <zeref> today i was n00b, i tried to burn 11.10 on cd, burnt it as image
[17:05] <Kilos> is jmirc same as jedirc
[17:05] <magespawn> you mean iso?
[17:06] <zeref> magespawn: yeah
[17:06] <zeref> should have burnt as data
[17:06] <zeref> Kilos: i dont know
[17:06] <magespawn> did you download an iso?
[17:07] <zeref> yeah
[17:07] <Kilos> no never , got 2m data a day
[17:08] <Kilos> zeref, if you have the iso there is a way to burn it to cd
[17:08] <Kilos> i will have to look in notes but magespawn will know 
[17:09] <magespawn> the burning program with ubuntu will recognize the iso file and make a bootable cd
[17:09] <Kilos> methinks right click on it and use brasero
[17:10] <zeref> i usuallu use brasero
[17:10] <zeref> but there is an option to burn as image or data, i always choose data, but today......
[17:10] <Kilos> thats supposed to work
[17:11] <magespawn> i insert the blank disc drag the iso to the drive and burn it
[17:11] <Kilos> arent bootable cds all images
[17:11] <zeref> yeah, all my other ubuntu cd's are done, just today i failed 
[17:11] <magespawn> usually asks if i want it as an iso or as files in a folder
[17:12] <zeref> yes, i clicked the wrong option by mistake
[17:12] <magespawn> ahh right
[17:12] <magespawn> picnic
[17:13] <magespawn> kilos is the meeting tonight?
[17:14] <Kilos> according to the lists yes magespawn but we dont have a chair person
[17:15] <Kilos> with maaz control
[17:15] <zeref> o0o0
[17:15] <zeref> meeting?
[17:15] <Kilos> our monthly meeting here
[17:15] <magespawn> ahh yes i remember that conversation.
[17:17] <Kilos> we will see if anyone pitches by half past or a bit later
[17:17] <Kilos> i only see drubin thats got the expertise
[17:18] <zeref> what are the meeting usually about?
[17:18] <Kilos> everything thats happening with releases and normal daily stuff
[17:19] <Kilos> Maaz, meeting logs
[17:19] <Maaz> Kilos: What?
[17:19] <Kilos> eish
[17:19] <Kilos> i dunno how to ask the bot for the last logs
[17:20] <magespawn> i think they should also be on the website
[17:21] <magespawn> Maaz meeting logs
[17:21] <Maaz> magespawn: Excuse me?
[17:21] <magespawn> not that either
[17:21] <Kilos> lol
[17:22] <Kilos> inetpro, ping
[17:22] <magespawn> zeref are you on the mailing list? there is also a google calender.
[17:23] <Kilos> maia is studying so she cant help
[17:23] <Kilos> and kbmonkey says he has no connection tonight
[17:23] <Kilos> grrr
[17:24] <magespawn> what is maia studying?
[17:24] <Kilos> something heavy
[17:24] <Kilos> lol
[17:24] <Kilos> for me anyway
[17:27] <magespawn> they should give you control
[17:28] <Kilos> no man i cant remember all the commands for the bot and qwhere to save everything
[17:28] <Kilos> inetpro, tried last month
[17:29] <Kilos> tried to make me do it that is
[17:29] <magespawn> maybe we can a pdf howto. i would also like to learn how.
[17:30] <magespawn> make
[17:30] <Kilos> this is the first time we stuck like this
[17:31] <Kilos> cocooncrash, you wanna chair tonights meeting?
[17:33] <Kilos> maybe we can postpone?
[17:33] <magespawn> looks like it.
[17:35] <Kilos> i gotta go eat.. bb asap
[17:40] <magespawn> loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/140/detail/
[17:41] <magespawn> zeref ^^^
[17:49] <Kilos> hi Banlam 
[17:49] <Banlam> gday
[17:49] <Kilos> tumbleweed, can we postpone tonights meeting?
[17:50] <magespawn> howdy
[17:50] <tumbleweed> Kilos: I wasn't even aware of it
[17:50] <tumbleweed> the tpic still talks about a meeting on 15 august
[17:50] <Kilos> maybe thats better then
[17:50] <tumbleweed> yeah, go ahead
[17:50] <Kilos> oh not third friday of each month
[17:51] <Kilos> lets see if the bot listens
[17:51] <tumbleweed> no I mean go ahead and postpone if you want to
[17:51] <Kilos> Maaz, announce tonights irc meeting postponed till next monday evening
[17:51] <Maaz> Announcement from Kilos! tonights irc meeting postponed till next monday evening
[17:51] <Kilos> he dont listen
[17:52] <Kilos> yay
[17:52] <Kilos> ty tumbleweed 
[17:54] <Kilos> zeref, what happened the -c
[17:54] <Kilos> fone crashed
[17:55] <inetpro> good evening
[17:55] <inetpro> Kilos: I'm alive and kicking
[17:55] <Kilos> wow thats good to hear
[17:56] <Kilos> you lurked till meeting was cancelled
[17:56] <Kilos> skelm
[17:56] <inetpro> Kilos: nope, just logged in now
[17:56]  * inetpro noticed all the pings from kils
[17:56] <Kilos> ok you forgiven inetpro 
[17:56] <Kilos> hehe
[17:56] <Kilos> only one
[17:56] <inetpro> from kilos*
[17:57] <zeref> hurrrr
[17:57] <Kilos> we needed a chair
[17:57] <zeref> Kilos: she is here now
[17:57] <inetpro> Kilos: I don't have the rights either
[17:57] <Kilos> eish
[17:57] <inetpro> but I still think you should have them Kilos
[17:58] <Kilos> anyway meeting postponed till next monday evening so long
[17:59] <inetpro> Kilos: I'd say you're one of the most consistent and outspoken members around here at this stage
[17:59] <Kilos> i will need to remember too much inetpro 
[17:59] <Kilos> all the links maaz needs and commands
[18:00] <inetpro> Kilos: the first time might be tough but I'm sure you'll get your notes in order quite quickly
[18:00] <Kilos> lol
[18:00] <Kilos> nee man
[18:00] <Kilos> still jy
[18:00] <inetpro> tumbleweed: what do you think about the idea?
[18:01] <inetpro> Kilos: ultimately it is your choice 
[18:03] <Kilos> i would like to help when we have probs with the chair but will need to actually see an old log and get all the relevant info
[18:03] <Kilos> but then i bang i will have to do it everytime
[18:04] <Banlam> but you know you want to
[18:05] <Kilos> not actually Banlam but dont mind helping out
[18:06] <Kilos> sometimes the head doesnt allow for straight thinking
[18:06] <Kilos> wb magespawn 
[18:06] <magespawn> ty
[18:06] <magespawn> been up since 04:30 so the reactions are a bit porked
[18:07] <Kilos> why so early
[18:07] <tumbleweed> inetpro: what am I commenting on?
[18:07] <inetpro> tumbleweed: I vote for Kilos as a chair for meetings
[18:07] <magespawn> game drive for 6 hours.
[18:08] <magespawn> here we go again.
[18:08] <inetpro> tumbleweed: or at least as a backup chair
[18:08] <Banlam> who is the current chair?
[18:08] <magespawn> doesn't Kilos have to agree?
[18:08] <Kilos> kbmonkey
[18:09] <tumbleweed> inetpro: sounds good
[18:09] <inetpro> magespawn: he just said that he would like to help
[18:10] <magespawn> i second that, as long Kilos is okay with it.
[18:10] <Kilos> note backup
[18:11] <Kilos> inetpro, can you mail me the logs of the last meeting so i can make notes of what all to tell the bot?
[18:11] <inetpro> Kilos: you see you have the necessary support and others will certainly help you
[18:11] <magespawn> i am off to bed all good night.
[18:12] <inetpro> Kilos: let me find the logs
[18:13] <Kilos> ok if someone does the internet stuff then i will give it a go if kb or maia arent here next monday
[18:13] <Kilos> but i will mail them and push for one of them to be here
[18:14] <inetpro> Kilos: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2011-07-18-17-35-25.html
[18:14] <Kilos> ok i wget that
[18:15] <Kilos> ty inetpro i will look at that when i offline
[18:16] <inetpro> Kilos: actually that was not the last one
[18:16] <inetpro> http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2011-09-20-17-33-53.txt
[18:17] <inetpro> you can see other logs at http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/
[18:17] <Kilos> i cant go look inetpro . browsers too data hungry
[18:18] <inetpro> Kilos: use lynx, links or elinks
[18:18] <Kilos> wget works for me
[18:33] <Kilos> grrrr
[18:33] <Kilos> cant copy paste from elinks
[18:51] <nuvolari> Kilos: pong
[18:51] <nuvolari> hi naand oom
[18:51] <Kilos> naand nuvolari 
[18:52] <Kilos> jy moes kom stoel wees het vanaand
[18:52] <Kilos> engilse stoel
[18:52] <Kilos> engelse
[18:56] <nuvolari> wha :-/ been busy
[18:56] <nuvolari> and my parent's last night here
[18:56] <nuvolari> so spent the time with them
[18:57] <Kilos> ok you forgiven but next monday evening hey?
[18:58] <nuvolari> sure!
[18:59] <nuvolari> I'll know to prepare then :>
[18:59] <Kilos> dankie seun
[18:59] <nuvolari> and monday's are open \o/
[18:59] <Kilos> yay
[18:59]  * nuvolari sit 'n reminder op
[19:02] <Kilos> en ek het die weenie gepos ook maar ek dink hy jol te lekker in die kaap
[19:07] <nuvolari> hehe
[19:08] <nuvolari> Kilos: hy het laat weet oom, hy is nie in touch met die net op die stadium nie
[19:08] <nuvolari> ek't net so flugtig gesien
[19:13] <Kilos> hy het n usb modem so hy moet n plan maak
[19:14] <Kilos> ek sal hom môre hier van as hy by die kaffee is
[19:15] <nuvolari> :'( nou sit ek weer hier man alleen in die kzn-ubuntu-land 
[19:16] <nuvolari> *sug*
[19:16] <nuvolari> Kilos: oom, het Tara weer iets gehoor al?
[19:17] <Kilos> sy het n video of lied gemaak vir VOICE aus
[19:17] <Kilos> hulle sluit eers sondag ek dink
[19:17] <Kilos> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iF7PFIAZswQ
[19:18] <Kilos> ek dink dis wat sy by die huis opgeneem het vir haar audisie
[19:19] <Kilos> xfactor sal sy moet wag tot volgende jaar wanneer sy n visa kan kry
[19:19] <Kilos> maar xfactor het gese sy kan inkom as een van die laaste ses vrouens
[19:19] <Symmetria> ullo!
[19:20]  * Symmetria grins, you gotta love doctors sometimes
[19:20] <Kilos> sonder die eerste drie rondes
[19:20] <Kilos> hi Symmetria 
[19:20]  * Symmetria is so high right now from the meds his doc told him to take 
[19:21]  * nuvolari push Symmetria into the pool since he won't notice
[19:22] <Kilos> lol
[19:23] <Symmetria> hahaha 
[19:23] <Symmetria> doctor told me I needed to relax and sleep 
[19:23] <nuvolari> then go sleep, relax in your dreamz :P
[19:23] <nuvolari> dream 'bout your next beamer
[19:24] <Symmetria> hahaha dude in about 10 minutes IM gonna pass out and not wake up for a day or 2 :P
[19:24] <Symmetria> I'm on an insanely high dose of valium :P
[19:24] <nuvolari> you're welcome
[19:29] <Symmetria> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiU8GPlsZqE
[19:29] <Symmetria> HAHAHAHAHHA
[19:29] <Symmetria> thats hilarious
[19:31] <Kilos> nuvolari, het jy gekyk?
[19:31] <nuvolari> byt vas oom Kilos, gaan nou
[19:34] <nuvolari> :O
[19:34] <nuvolari> oom Kilos, kan ek haar trou?
[19:35] <Kilos> was dit goed?
[19:36] <Symmetria> dont marry anyone :P you will lose half and be consigned to a life of misery with no sex
[19:36] <superfly> Kilos, oom, ek het hulp nodig - wat weet jy van wasmasjiene?
[19:36] <Kilos> wat doen dit nie superfly 
[19:37] <superfly> Symmetria: and you're an expert on this because you're married, right?
[19:37] <Kilos> nothing is better than a happy marriage
[19:37] <superfly> Kilos: die water gaan in die een pyp, en reg uit die ander...
[19:37] <nuvolari> Kilos: dit was oom! jinne, sonder begeleiding, so 'n mooi stem
[19:38] <Symmetria> superfly heh, no, I was engaged once, and haha Im not one to talk, since Im probably about to be again :P
[19:38] <Kilos> sounds like the pump is not switching off superfly 
[19:39] <superfly> Symmetria: well, I'm no expert, since I've only been married for 4 years, but I'll tell you this much, you're dead wrong.
[19:40] <Kilos> superfly, open back cover and you will see the pump
[19:40] <Kilos> its smallish with 2 pipes into it
[19:40] <Kilos> the inlet most likely has something that was left in pockets there and its blocking the pump from switching off
[19:42] <Kilos> is dit ook groot data ding nuvolari 
[19:42] <nuvolari> Kilos: dit is nie so groot nie oom Kilos 
[19:42] <nuvolari> minder as 2 minute
[19:43] <Kilos> nee wat los maar seun
[19:43] <nuvolari> Kilos: 7.36Mb oom
[19:43] <superfly> Kilos: could it have been bumped too much in the move?
[19:44] <Kilos> dis 3 dae se data
[19:44] <Kilos> maybe something that was loose in the pipes has bumped down to the pumps inlet superfly 
[19:45] <superfly> Thanks oom, you're a great help.
[19:45] <Kilos> have found coins and all kinda funny things in there like pins etc
[19:45] <Kilos> hope you find something
[19:45] <Kilos> when you find nothing you gotta start worrying
[19:51] <Kilos> nuvolari, jy sal moet daar gaan bly
[19:52]  * inetpro gaan vandag vroeg slaap
[19:53] <Kilos> goeie plan inetpro lekker slaap
[19:53] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn 
[19:53] <nlsthzn> Hi Kilos , all
[19:53] <inetpro> Kilos: selle daar, dankie
[19:53] <inetpro> gnight everyone
[19:54] <superfly> Hi nlsthzn 
[19:54] <superfly> Good night inetpro
[19:54] <nlsthzn> Hello superfly ... night inetpro 
[19:55] <Kilos> nlsthzn, meeting next monday at 1930 hey
[19:55] <nlsthzn> Kilos, thanks for the update... hopefully I am online closer to the date for another reminder :p
[19:55] <Kilos> you  2 hours ahead hey nlsthzn 
[19:57] <nlsthzn> Yup
[19:57] <nuvolari> Kilos: waar bly oom?
[19:58] <superfly> Nag, almal!
[19:58] <Kilos> wes van pretria nuvolari 
[19:58] <Kilos> nag superfly lekker slaap
[19:58] <Kilos> superfly, 
[19:59] <nuvolari> wag, ek is lost, hoekom daar bly oom?
[19:59] <nuvolari> night superfly 
[19:59] <Kilos> there might be a sensor as well near the pump that tells it when  it has enough water in , there could be a pin or something jamminmg that too
[19:59] <Kilos> good luck
[20:00] <Kilos> o skuus man
[20:00] <nlsthzn> night superfly 
[20:00] <Kilos> ek antwoord jou vraag om met tara te trou
[20:01] <nuvolari> but why pretoria oom?
[20:01] <nuvolari> ek dag sy bly in aussie country
[20:02] <Kilos> ja ek het geslaap en gese waar bly ek
[20:02] <Kilos> sy is in melbourne victoria
[20:03] <Kilos> ek is half aan die slaap ook hier
[20:03] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[20:04] <Kilos> see you all tomorrow again
[20:20] <tumbleweed> Owkkuri: was this what you hit earlier? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ifupdown/+bug/876829
[20:21] <Owkkuri> tumbleweed: seems like it, just eth0 was on dhcp
[20:21] <tumbleweed> Owkkuri: oneiric?
[20:21] <Owkkuri> got fed up and let NM manage the interface
[20:21] <Owkkuri> aye, oneric
[20:21] <tumbleweed> yup, that's probably it then
[20:22] <Owkkuri> NM works for now
[20:22] <tumbleweed> blame for it is busy being apportioned in #ubuntu-devel
[20:23] <Owkkuri> \o/
[20:25] <Owkkuri> cheers for the help tumbleweed :)
[20:25] <tumbleweed> Owkkuri: now you just need to wait for stgraber to fix it
[20:26] <Owkkuri> on his own time 
[20:27] <tumbleweed> I think it's still work hours in canada (unless he's still in london)
[20:28] <tumbleweed> oh right, said it's his day off. /me stops assuming