[11:01] <ju2ef> hi, can anyone help me with sound, I've got M-Audio 2496, i had a working sound, then after reboot silence, everywhere, ardour, firefox etc, i disabled my onboard card, but there is card also on graphic card (HDMI shit), im on 11.10
[12:11] <fr-z> Hi ju2ef are you using ubuntu or studio?
[12:24] <ju2ef> ubuntu studio
[14:53] <transhour_> hello
[14:53] <holstein> o/
[14:54] <transhour_> got a quick question :)
[14:54] <holstein> sure... its always question time :)
[14:55] <transhour_> a friend of mine recommend to me trying out the ubuntu studio kernel, i was wondering the repository address for ubuntu studio's kernel image
[14:55] <holstein> transhour_: as of now, we dont have a kernel
[14:55] <holstein> its the -generic one
[14:55] <holstein> your friend is probably talking about https://launchpad.net/~abogani/+archive/ppa
[14:56] <holstein> or the kernel PPA here http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/KXStudio:Repositories
[14:56] <transhour_> he calls it the "studio ubuntu realtime kernel"
[14:56] <transhour_> if that helps
[14:56] <holstein> transhour_: he can call it what he wants
[14:56] <holstein> we dont have a realtime kernel
[14:57] <holstein> you can add one via one of the PPA's above
[14:57] <holstein> we have the same -generic kernel the main ubuntu has as of now
[14:57] <holstein> there is a realtime kernel in the 10.04 repos
[14:57] <transhour_> ah okay, he's typically a slackware user, so he probably just assumed it used a different kernel
[14:57] <holstein> right, and we still should probably have one
[14:57] <holstein> transhour_: the fact is, you probably dont need one
[14:57] <holstein> most dont
[14:58] <holstein> the -generic kernel is quite RT capable these days
[14:58] <holstein> sometimes, a -realtime kernel can just caust more trouble than its worth
[14:58] <transhour_> yeah, i've been using the generic one since 8.04, never saw any improvements really doing a customized one
[14:58] <holstein> on some laptops, i "dual-boot" -generic and -realtime kernels
[14:58] <holstein> and there is a kernel called '-lowlatency' that is in the middle
[14:59] <holstein> transhour_: i see improvments to latency
[14:59] <holstein> transhour_: if you are not using JACK, doing realtime effects processing, or software synths, you dont need it
[14:59] <holstein> and wont have any way to notice
[15:00] <transhour_> nope not doing any of that stuff, was just doing some game testing in wine, and was getting a lot of suggestions to improve it, and that was one of the suggestions brought up
[15:00] <holstein> most folks come here with internal sound cards, and other inappropriate hardware, and think adding a differnt kernel will make them magically have an awesome studio
[15:01] <holstein> transhour_: nah... im pretty sure nothing in either of those kernel will help with WINE, but it wont hurt to add that PPA, and test
[15:02] <transhour_> yeah, i don't have a seperate sound card, i just use the integrated one that came with my board, i'm a programmer so never really needed a good sound card :)
[15:03] <transhour_> i will check out the ppa's and the kernels
[15:03] <transhour_> thanks for your help, i do appreciate it :)
[15:04] <holstein> transhour_: anytime
[15:04] <holstein> abogani's PPA is the one to go for
[15:04] <holstein> for your situatio
[15:04] <holstein> n
[15:04] <holstein> the other one has extras in it AFAIK, that you wont need
[15:04] <holstein> and they are built on abogani's anways, just patched for nvidia (or so i was told)
[15:06] <transhour_> yeah i use a nvidia card
[15:07] <holstein> then, maybe you need the KXstudio one
[15:07] <holstein> you're savvy though, im sure you'll sort it out
[15:07] <holstein> just no, thats probably the issue if you boot one of those kernels, and you dont get X
[15:07] <holstein> just know*
[15:08] <transhour_> aye, have gotten quite good over the last 4 years with recovering linux :)
[15:09] <transhour_> run slackware on my servers, debian testing on my laptop, ubuntu/fedora/opensuse on my desktop
[15:10] <holstein> cool
[15:10] <holstein> im not of the skill set to run slack
[15:10] <transhour_> its easier than you'd think
[15:10] <holstein> last time i tried debian i had a hard time too
[15:10] <holstein> im learning though
[15:10] <holstein> im a musician, so i have limited time to give to tech
[15:10] <holstein> i enjoy it though
[15:11] <holstein> im about to reinstall on a server, and i might try debian again there
[15:11] <holstein> keep X and wifi out of the scenario
[15:11] <transhour_> debian stable is awesome, its just outdated most of the time, by 6 months to a year, testing is fairly stable, but for all intents and purposes its a rolling release, so it can break
[15:12] <holstein> yeah, i think i'll need stable
[15:12] <holstein> need/want
[15:12] <holstein> theres mint debian edition too
[15:12] <transhour_> yeah my personal server is a old p4, thats headless, only ssh into it, it does what i need it to do, without much complaints
[15:13] <transhour_> i have yet to try linux mint debian
[15:13] <holstein> yeah, i have the same hardware for a server pretty much
[15:13] <transhour_> debian server should run well on it then
[15:13] <holstein> i moved over to an EEEpc for now while i figure out what im going to do with it
[15:14] <transhour_> yeah my "laptop" is a netbook, first generation acer with a intel celeron in it
[15:14] <holstein> i have an HP mininote, and eeepc900
[15:14] <transhour_> has like a 8.9" screen, that drives me insane most days
[15:14] <holstein> and an eeepc 1001p
[15:15] <holstein> yeah, the older ones i have are tiny too
[15:15] <transhour_> waiting for amd to pull their heads out of their butt, and come out with decent drivers for their apu's, there is this llano i've been eyeballing for the last two months
[15:16] <holstein> yeah, i used to preffer AMD
[15:16] <holstein> still might
[15:16] <transhour_> i prefer whatever is inside my budget :)
[15:16] <holstein> hehe
[15:17] <transhour_> i lie, i will always prefer nvidia over amd, unless amd does better drivers
[15:18] <transhour_> does ubuntu studio use that god aweful unity DE?
[15:18] <holstein> nah
[15:18] <holstein> we just went to XFCE
[15:18] <holstein> seems the most like gnome2
[15:18] <holstein> we were going for the least amount of change
[15:18] <holstein> and the xubuntu team is quite active, and awesome, and helping us out :)
[15:19] <transhour_> nice, xfce 4.8 was a really nice improvement
[15:19] <transhour_> i'm currently testing out gnome shell 3.2
[15:19] <holstein> i wasnt using it because it really didnt seem all that much lighter then gnome2 these days
[15:19] <holstein> but, now that thats over, i think XFCE is where im going to go
[15:20] <holstein> i dont want to tweak (fix) gnome3 for hours just to make it like gnome2 was
[15:20] <transhour_> i've always been a kde user
[15:20] <holstein> see, i cant get into it
[15:20] <holstein> never liked it
[15:20] <holstein> i used it with mepis when i first switched to linux
[15:20] <transhour_> yeah, its not for everyone, kde team has some really odd ideas
[15:21] <holstein> and when i found antix, which is mepis with fluxbox (or was) i used that
[15:21] <holstein> i look at, and like KDE
[15:21] <holstein> its slick, and much lighter than it used to be
[15:21] <holstein> but still, its not for me
[15:21] <holstein> im still trying to be open minded about unity
[15:22] <transhour_> yeah i had to add docky to gnome 3 to make it usable to me
[15:22] <holstein> i thought it was a great idea til i saw how similar unity and gnome3 are
[15:22] <transhour_> i use dual monitors on my desktop, on a single monitor its great (unity that is), but it blows with dual monitors
[15:23] <transhour_> actually, they don't have a lot in common once you start using it, cause that is what i thought when i first used gnome 3, gnome 3 is a lot more stable and better put together than unity
[15:23] <holstein> well, i just think they are both answering the same question
[15:23] <transhour_> gearing up for the tablets
[15:23] <transhour_> :)
[15:24] <holstein> and i think its a bit of unnecessary duplication of efforts
[15:24] <holstein> when, whoever is working on unity could be helping with gnome3 development instead
[15:24] <holstein> but, whatever
[15:24] <transhour_> lol spend enough time in opensource, you will realize how many times the wheel has been reinvented :)
[15:24] <holstein> ubuntu has its own look and feel now
[15:24] <holstein> and thats something
[15:25] <transhour_> yeah ubuntu realized they shouldn't be targeting the windows users, so they are going after the mac users now
[15:26] <holstein> yeah, odd call, but someone's gotta do it
[15:26] <transhour_> which isn't a bad thing, as i like mac's ui
[15:26] <holstein> yeah, the UI is not awful
[15:26] <holstein> its just old
[15:26] <holstein> the mac UI is not going to be the mac UI very long
[15:27] <transhour_> not sure about that, hasn't changed all that much since the 80's, yeahs it gotten prettier and they added the doc
[15:27] <transhour_> dock*
[15:28] <transhour_> mac's always been about adding features and improving existing features, not switching things up
[15:28] <holstein> well, iOS looks different
[15:28] <holstein> and i wouldnt be surprised if thats where they go
[15:28] <holstein> its not even apple *computers* anymore
[15:28] <holstein> just apple
[15:28] <transhour_> guess you haven't seen mac os x 10.7 lion :)
[15:28] <holstein> well, im assuming it looks like the others
[15:28] <transhour_> they have a "launcher" now, that makes the ui look like iOS
[15:29] <holstein> OH... interesting
[15:29] <holstein> i was wondering which way that would go
[15:29] <transhour_> you click on it, and it brings up your programs, in icons like on a ipad
[15:29] <holstein> how ineffecient
[15:29] <holstein> for a desktop
[15:29] <holstein> but, whatever
[15:29] <transhour_> i believe kde has a plasmoid that does something similar now too
[15:30] <holstein> yeah, and unity does that
[15:30] <holstein> its not my thing
[15:30] <holstein> im missing the desktop UI :/
[15:31] <transhour_> give it a few years, i'm sure mac will launch MacBook Pad, that has os x or os xi, that will have a unifying UI like windows 8 plans on having
[15:31] <holstein> yeah, win8 looks slick too
[15:32] <transhour_> all i can say about windows 8, i'm just glad i'm happy with linux :)
[15:32] <fr-z> hi guyz
[15:32] <transhour_> hi fr-z
[15:33] <fr-z> please dont speak about unity ^^
[15:33] <transhour_> :)
[15:34] <transhour_> try to steer all my minions towards kubuntu or xubuntu now days
[15:34] <transhour_> grew tired of all the "where did my program go when i minimized it?" questions
[15:35] <fr-z> for me the best combo, for now, is US with compiz.
[15:35] <transhour_> US?
[15:35] <fr-z> Ubuntu studio
[15:35] <holstein> ubuntustudio
[15:35] <transhour_> ah okay :)
[15:35] <fr-z> hey  holstein :)
[15:35] <holstein> fr-z: o/
[15:36] <transhour_> so is studio an official release of ubuntu?
[15:38] <holstein> transhour_: yup
[15:39] <fr-z> no, ubuntu is an official platform of studio :P
[15:39] <holstein> lol
[15:39] <fr-z> music is older that linuz trovald :P
[15:39] <fr-z> *linus
[15:40] <transhour_> :)
[15:41] <fr-z> i am going to test ubuntu studio on my graphic station. lets see how it goes
[15:42] <fr-z> anyone tested studio with xeons?
[15:42] <transhour_> i have a xeon 3440
[15:43] <fr-z> i hope he works well with this combo cause the board is not common
[15:44] <fr-z> has 2 x xeon slots its a tyan
[15:44] <transhour_> but i don't have studio, i use kubuntu, just came here to ask a question about the kernel in studio and the company was nice so i stuck around :)
[15:44] <fr-z> yes and someday you will wake up and you have US at your side lol
[15:45] <transhour_> i don't see it having much of a problem with it, intel invest heavily into linux
[15:46] <transhour_> :) i really don't have much of a need for studio, i might grab it and test it out, i'm a programmer, do websites occasional and some video encoding here and there
[15:47] <fr-z> m8 websites that are made outside US will explode in 2012
[15:48] <transhour_> doesn't bother me, already been paid for them :)
[15:48] <fr-z> LOL
[15:52] <transhour_> i should do some work, i got a bug report friday that stated when the "O-F-F option was selected in control" panel of one of the programs i built for this machine, the machine stops working...
[15:54] <fr-z> :O
[15:55] <transhour_> just not sure how to approach this, my partner stress's that i remain civil
[15:56] <transhour_> well its been good chatting with you folks, i'll drop in from time to time and see how things are going
[15:57] <transhour_> later :)
[16:00] <fr-z> nice
[16:00] <fr-z> cya :)
[18:39] <fdsa> How do i enable Jack so that ardour will work?
[18:40] <fdsa> i think it might be because i tried to overwrite an existing jack install
[18:40] <fdsa> and i cant get it to work now
[18:40] <fdsa> i can play mp3s and stuff, just cant open certain programs like ardour
[19:10] <holstein> fdsa: you should take some time to familiarize yourself with JACK
[19:10] <holstein> when first running JACK...
[19:10] <holstein> i'll assume you are using in internal sound card
[19:10] <holstein> i would open a terminal and type
[19:10] <holstein> gksudo qjackclt
[19:10] <holstein> then, click setup
[19:11] <holstein> i would like to note that running JACK as root is temporary*
[19:11] <holstein> in setup, you change the settings to match this...
[19:11] <holstein> uncheck the realtime checkbox on the left side
[19:11] <holstein> make sure you are using the ALSA driver
[19:12] <holstein> frames/period 1024
[19:12] <holstein> samplerate 41000
[19:12] <holstein> 44100**
[19:12] <holstein> periods/buffer 3
[19:13] <holstein> *then* click ok to save and close
[19:13] <holstein> then, try starting JACK
[19:13] <holstein> report any errors, and we begin troubleshooting
[19:14] <holstein> if no errors, then stop JACK, and close qjackctl
[19:14] <holstein> open jack control again as normal user, and try starting
[19:14] <holstein> report all errors, and troubleshoot from there
[19:14] <holstein> fdsa: it can be slow here, try #opensourcemusicians if you need help :)
[19:14] <fdsa> how do i start jack?
[19:14] <holstein> fdsa: ?
[19:15] <holstein> its *not* trivial
[19:15] <holstein> you'll need to follow the steps i just outlined
[19:15] <holstein> and report errors as you go
[19:15] <fdsa> alright
[19:15] <holstein> fdsa: im running out though, so try #opensourcemusicians if needed
[19:17] <fdsa> im using a usb soundcard, not an internal
[19:17] <fdsa> if that makes any dif
[19:17] <holstein> fdsa: i would suggest starting with the internal one
[19:17] <holstein> learn using JACK there
[19:17] <holstein> then, you can learn about using JACK with USB
[19:17] <holstein> in 'setup' t
[19:18] <holstein> there are a few drop down menus for 'devices'
[19:18] <fdsa> the gksudo qjackclt didnt do anything
[19:18] <holstein> fdsa: right
[19:18] <holstein> its
[19:18] <holstein> gksudo qjackctl
[19:18] <holstein> sorry
[19:19] <fdsa> that didnt do anything either
[19:19] <holstein> fdsa: maybe you dont have JACK installed
[19:19] <holstein> you can report errors
[19:19] <holstein> you open a terminal
[19:20] <holstein> type this
[19:20] <holstein> gksudo qjackctl
[19:20] <holstein> you can let the terminal autocomplete too
[19:20] <holstein> fdsa: try just sudo qjackctl
[19:20] <holstein> try just starting jack control from the terminal
[19:20] <holstein> try alt+F2 and type qjackctl
[19:21] <holstein> try something
[19:21] <holstein> its not going to be easy
[19:21] <holstein> and if you want to click open something and just record, i suggest audacity
[19:21] <holstein> the folks in #opensourcemusicians and #ardour are very helpful though
[19:21] <holstein> i gotta run...
[21:58] <Lehthanis> evening!
[21:59] <Lehthanis> I just installed onto a laptop, and am having some problems with wireless internet and getting jackd configured...anyone wanna help?
[22:01] <Lehthanis> also, I was wondering if I should upgrade to 11.10?
[22:33] <Lehthanis> evening
[22:40] <holstein> Lehthanis: should?
[22:40] <holstein> im still running 10.04, and dont plan on upgrading til 12.04
[22:40] <holstein> but, that has nothing to do with studio
[22:41] <holstein> i installed 11.04 in virtualbox, and tested the upgrade to 11.10
[22:41] <holstein> you will need to manually select XFCE session on the first login after upgrading
[22:41] <holstein> other than that, its fine
[22:41] <holstein> should you?
[22:41] <holstein> theres no sginificant rev's of anything
[22:42] <holstein> Lehthanis: you should typically *not* be using wifi and JACK
[22:42] <Lehthanis> so no gain to updating to 11.10 from 11.04 then?
[22:42] <holstein> Lehthanis: gain?
[22:42] <holstein> i mean, you get longer upgrades
[22:42] <holstein> longer support
[22:42] <holstein> newer pacakges
[22:42] <holstein> packages*
[22:42] <holstein> assuming you want that
[22:43] <holstein> anyways... if its dead in here, and you want help with JACK, i would go to #opensourcmusicians and/or #ardour
[22:43] <Lehthanis> Well, let me give you some background on the use of this machine...I'm fairly new to using any linux desktop/laptop
[22:43] <holstein> with the wifi, who knows
[22:43] <holstein> you can always try the windows driver
[22:44] <holstein> or, and im assuming is broadcom... you can try the other broadcom driver
[22:44] <Lehthanis> I got the broadcom proprietary driver.
[22:44] <holstein> yup
[22:44] <Lehthanis> but there's no option to connect to wireless.
[22:44] <holstein> theres another one
[22:45] <Lehthanis> all of my audio work will happen offline btw.
[22:45] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[22:45] <holstein> JACK is just a bit tricky to setup the first time
[22:45] <holstein> im about to put a walkthrough together
[22:45] <holstein> first-time general howto or something like that
[22:45] <holstein> you also might not *need* JACK
[22:45] <Lehthanis> yeah, that would be awesome...I'm not even sure it will work properly on this laptop.
[22:46] <holstein> eitherway, #opensourcemusicians is a great resource
[22:46] <Lehthanis> I need a stereo in and a stereo out, and thats all...this laptop has a mic jack and a headphone jack...probably won't work huh?
[22:46] <holstein> Lehthanis: if ALSA sees it, it should be fine
[22:47] <Lehthanis> I think the jacks are reconfigurable under windows, but not sure about linux.
[22:47] <holstein> Lehthanis: it can work, i usually say... you know what professional recording studio uses internal sound cards?
[22:47] <holstein> none of them
[22:47] <Lehthanis> how can I tell if alsa can see it?
[22:47] <holstein> if you want clean sound, its worth getting something with nice ins and outs
[22:47] <holstein> something USB or firewire
[22:47] <Lehthanis> I know...I plan on getting a better sound card..but for now, this is just for recording sermons.
[22:47] <holstein> right, and you can do that with audacity and pulse
[22:48] <holstein> you dont *need* JACK
[22:48] <holstein> and if you dont, then, dont bother with it
[22:48] <Lehthanis> audacity I've played with before.
[22:49] <Lehthanis> its not included in the ubuntu studio build is it?
[22:49] <Lehthanis> I see audacious but not audacity
[22:49] <holstein> i dont think so
[22:49] <holstein> you can add it
[22:49] <Lehthanis> ok, whats pulse?
[22:49] <holstein> you can add that to normal buntu
[22:49] <holstein> Lehthanis: pulse is what is doing you sound now
[22:50] <Lehthanis> ohhh...so I don't need to change anything except for installing audacity for now?
[22:50] <holstein> right
[22:50] <holstein> sudo apt-get install audacity
[22:50] <holstein> or, the software center, or synaptic
[22:51] <holstein> whatevder
[22:51] <holstein> whatever*
[22:51] <Lehthanis> well, thats helpful...thanks!
[22:51] <holstein> Lehthanis: sure, anytime
[22:52] <holstein> also, it sounds like to me, you dont *need* ubuntustudio
[22:52] <Lehthanis> we do plan on doing some video recording and editing...and I also want to do some web editing on this machine also...so thats why I chose this build
[22:52] <holstein> you can always install the vanilla ubuntu, and add what you want from our packages
[22:52] <holstein> you might have a better time since you are primarily a desktop user
[22:52] <holstein> Lehthanis: O I C
[22:52] <holstein> well, welcome to ubuntustudio
[22:52] <holstein> we have some great things planned
[22:53] <holstein> and i can talk you through setting up JACK sometime
[22:53] <holstein> im just about to run to the gig
[22:53] <Lehthanis> so using ubuntu studio was basically getting ready for the future...I want to learn the advanced stuff while letting the easy stuff work in the meantime
[22:53] <Lehthanis> audacity will help with that...
[22:53] <Lehthanis> the gig?
[22:54] <holstein> im just checking in while having dinner before the gig
[22:54] <holstein> i play bass
[22:54] <holstein> check out http://www.mikeholstein.info/ if you'd like
[22:55] <Lehthanis> ohhh...I used to play drums...may set them back up again once I get this thing recording ;)
[22:57] <holstein> Lehthanis: alright... good to meet you... BBL
[22:57] <Lehthanis> thanks again, have a good gig!