[00:00] <kensanata> Hi! I just finished installing Ubuntu 11.10 on my iBook G4 running xcfe. My trackpad no longer works and 'sudo trackpad show' gives me a "no trackpdad !" response. Where can I learn more?
[00:00] <w30> well_laid_lawn, can xubuntu run compiz?
[00:01] <well_laid_lawn> w30: sure
[00:01] <well_laid_lawn> !compiz | w30
[00:01] <well_laid_lawn> kensanata: have a look at the X log at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[00:05] <kensanata> well_laid_lawn: Thanks. I see the log ends with lots of entries regarding my external Logitech USB mouse and the ADB mouse. The ADB section ends with "Adding input device ADB mouse (/dev/input/mouse0)..."
[00:05] <w30> well_laid_lawn, where does the term window decorator fit in? what's xubuntu's window decorator?
[00:06] <pinkydw> ken are you running ubuntu or xubuntu?  I"m upgrading now and curious how its going to go
[00:06] <well_laid_lawn> w30: xfwm does that
[00:07] <well_laid_lawn> kensanata: does the log mention the synaptics device at all?
[00:07] <kensanata> pinkydw: I installed Ubuntu some time ago and switched to Xubuntu using "tasksel install xubuntu-desktop" last year.
[00:08] <kensanata> well_laid_lawn: I don't get any matches for "syna" in the log file.
[00:08] <pinkydw> k, thanks kensanata
[00:09] <kensanata> pinkydw: Also note that I'm talking about an iBook G4, ie. PowerPC architecture and all that entails.
[00:09] <ball> entrails.
[00:09] <w30> well_laid_lawn, thanks, for taking the time to help out stupid people
[00:09] <pinkydw> ... never messed with those to be honest, I'm updating a toshiba
[00:09] <pinkydw> I thought the G4 was intel...
[00:09] <well_laid_lawn> !ppc | kensanata
[00:10]  * ball used to have some PowerPC machines
[00:10] <ball> Come to think of it, I still have a beige G3 somewhere.
[00:11] <ball> ...need to recycle that one.
[00:11] <well_laid_lawn> beige ftw :)
[00:11] <pinkydw> friend gave me a G3 once, couldn't find a terminal so I passed it on
[00:12] <pinkydw> tried a live cd that was supposed to be powerpc friendly, wouldn't boot
[00:12] <kensanata> well_laid_lawn: Hehe. Sure. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCFAQ#How_do_I_control_trackpad_behaviour.3F worked for 11.04 -- I had a working trackpad before the upgrade. Installed powerpc-utils, ran trackpad tap and drap from rc files and all that.
[00:13] <kensanata> pinkydw: G3 ... wow! :)
[00:13] <well_laid_lawn> there used to be a #ubuntu-powerpc
[00:13] <well_laid_lawn> iirc
[00:13] <well_laid_lawn> !channels
[00:14] <kensanata> Hehe, channel topic says "Ubuntu 10.10 released!"
[00:14] <well_laid_lawn> ;)
[00:14] <kensanata> I'll ask anyway. Thanks for the pointer.
[00:14] <well_laid_lawn> cheers
[00:15] <pinkydw> *sigh* 17 minutes remaining
[00:39] <pinkydw> hmmm, its asking me for the default display manager, but all it gives me is "gdm" and "lightdm"... thought I wanted xfce or xfwm or somesuch
[00:44] <pinkydw> eh, screw it I'll try out something new
[00:50] <well_laid_lawn> the display manager is the login screen
[00:50] <well_laid_lawn> to keep things simple
[00:51] <pasti> Hi, has anyone else got unity, gnome, gnome classic in their login menu after upgrading/, and if you have how do you get rid of them?, they're dong my head in!
[00:51] <pinkydw> I thought ubuntu used gnome by default, are you saying I"ll have xfce based once I get logged in?
[00:51] <GridCube> ...
[00:52] <GridCube> !purexfce
[00:52] <GridCube> pasti, ^^^
[00:52] <pasti> yeah I saw that after I googled, does it work? how safe etc
[00:53] <GridCube> dunno never did it i always do clean installs
[00:53] <pinkydw> oohhh, thanks GridCube
[00:53] <GridCube> pinkydw, xubuntu is x(fce)ubuntu
[00:54] <pasti> I think I should have done a clean install as well, this is the first time after an upgrade I got all that crap though
[00:54] <GridCube> if you cleaninstall xubuntu you wont have gnome/kde or anything else
[00:54] <pasti> cheers, gridcube I'll give it a whirl
[00:54] <pinkydw> I know where the name comes from, but I"m doing a install from upgrade, and that might come in handy, not sure this is working right
[00:55] <GridCube> :)
[00:55] <GridCube> oh
[00:55] <pinkydw> at any rate, its getting bookmarked :p
[00:55] <GridCube> ok
[00:56] <GridCube> I never install gnome stuff on my machine
[00:56] <pinkydw> I run it on my debian system, been tempted to change over, getting pampered with the "open terminal here" option
[01:22] <pinkydw> rebooting
[01:27] <pinkydw> niiiiice, worked great
[01:28] <pinkydw> thanks for the info guys, peace out
[02:21] <steampunknyanja> Hey, is there any easy way to get itunes working and to sync an ipod through it on xubuntu?
[02:35] <GridCube> itunes no, synck ipod yes
[02:39] <GridCube> !ipod | steampunknyanja
[02:50] <Jack-xubuntu-> #xubuntu-offtopic
[03:10] <williammw> question: in xubuntu.... where is my network folder? cant find it any where
[03:11] <williammw> anyone in this room?
[03:11] <Unit193> williammw: Try opening Gigolo - Menu > System > Gigolo
[03:13] <williammw> nope its not there either
[03:13] <williammw> nor is it in mt file manager
[03:13] <williammw> my
[03:14] <Unit193> You have to "connect" to them with Gigolo, but I have it right in the side of thunar :P
[03:16] <williammw> i don't know what the"URL" is to my network folder
[03:17] <Jack-xubuntu-> I am having the same problem
[03:17] <Jack-xubuntu-> I really want to get my shared folder up
[03:17] <williammw> oh thank goodness im not alone and crazy
[03:17] <Jack-xubuntu-> no problem
[03:18] <Unit193> williammw: Type the "server" IP or hostname, then hit the "scan" button
[03:18] <Jack-xubuntu-> I have benn having the same problem all day
[03:19] <williammw> this is what i get...Connecting to "(null)://(null)/" failed.
[03:20] <williammw> and also says... volume does not impliment mount
[03:21] <Unit193> You need to fill out the IP or hostname and hit the blue icon next to "Share"
[03:22] <Jack-xubuntu-> Is the IP or hostname your router's IP (ex: 192.168.1.1)?
[03:22] <williammw> under service type i only get custom location
[03:22] <Unit193> No, what you have the network folder on
[03:23] <Unit193> williammw: That's odd, should have Windows Share
[03:23] <Jack-xubuntu-> So my computers "router assigned" IP
[03:23] <williammw> i have no "network folder" period
[03:24] <Jack-xubuntu-> Ex: mine is 192.168.1.74
[03:24] <Unit193> williammw: You are using Oneiric? Type this into a terminal dpkg -l |grep gvfs |pastebinit   and give me the link it spits out
[03:25] <williammw> http://paste.ubuntu.com/710468/
[03:25] <williammw> and yes im using ooo
[03:26] <Unit193> There's your problem, install  gvfs-backends
[03:28] <williammw> ok i'll get it and let u know what happends
[03:29] <Jack-xubuntu-> I'm still having trouble here... can you please help?
[03:29] <Jack-xubuntu-> Thanks in advance...
[03:30] <Jack-xubuntu-> I want to create a shared folder on my networkthrough gigolo, how would I do that
[03:30] <Unit193> Jack-xubuntu-: Tell me the output of    dpkg -l |grep fuse
[03:31] <Jack-xubuntu-> ii  fuse-utils                             2.8.4-1.4ubuntu1                           Filesystem in USErspace (utilities)
[03:31] <Jack-xubuntu-> ii  gvfs-fuse                              1.10.0-0ubuntu1                            userspace virtual filesystem - fuse server
[03:31] <Jack-xubuntu-> ii  libfuse2                               2.8.4-1.4ubuntu1                           Filesystem in USErspace library
[03:33] <Unit193> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1834271&postcount=5
[03:33] <Jack-xubuntu-> Thats what popped up...
[03:35] <Jack-xubuntu-> Looks legit
[03:35] <Jack-xubuntu-> Ill try and see what happens :)
[03:38] <williammw> unit193: u are awesome, thank you very much i now have my share to my server now
[03:39] <Unit193> williammw: Great, glad it helped!
[03:39] <williammw> now i can download from my browser to my server
[03:54] <bitsoda> Hmm, I tried a live CD of Xubuntu 11.10 on a MacBook Pro and got the: 'intramfs unable to find a medium containing a live file system' error. Any thoughts on why this is happening? The imagee was burned using OS X's disc utility.
[03:58] <philipballew> bitsoda, with a mac you have to use something before for the boot loader
[03:58] <philipballew> i think
[03:58] <bitsoda> oh, do you know what it is?
[03:59] <bitsoda> i'll try doing an md5 check
[03:59] <philipballew> let me look
[03:59] <bitsoda> alright thanks
[03:59] <philipballew> Thers a online article that i saw last week about it
[04:01] <philipballew> bitsoda, http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/10/dual-boot-os-ubuntu/
[04:01] <philipballew> that should explain it better then i would
[04:01] <bitsoda> ah, so rEFit
[04:02] <bitsoda> alright, i'll give this a shot. thanks a lot for your help
[04:02] <philipballew> no worries, :)
[04:06] <johnnyzero> I have another question
[04:06] <johnnyzero> My mute button works on my keyboard
[04:06] <johnnyzero> But the volume up and down buttons don't
[04:06] <johnnyzero> So yeah how do I get those working
[04:07] <johnnyzero> It used to work on the old Gnome 2 Ubuntu
[04:07] <johnnyzero> Its a Logitech MK550 Not exactly sure what to select it as in the Setup program
[04:08] <johnnyzero> nevermind I'll try keytouch editor
[04:08] <johnnyzero> See if that works
[04:53]  * lameGuy is an inquisitive idiot; also new to IRC...
[04:53] <psycho_oreos> mmhmm.. hi
[04:53] <lameGuy> does anyone happen to know the name of that hideously annoying 'quick link' think on my otherwise beautiful xfce desktop?
[04:54] <lameGuy> I would greatly appreciate having the process name so i can kill it.
[04:55]  * ball wonders what it is
[04:55] <ball> lameGuy: Is it some sort of dock at the bottom of the screen?
[04:56] <lameGuy> yes, thats the one,
[05:00] <ball> lameGuy: Is that a Xubuntu thing or a new Xfce thing?
[05:01] <johnnyzero> Ok I created a file in keytouch
[05:01] <johnnyzero> But I'm not sure what to do next
[05:01] <lameGuy> i saw something similar in a different disto, was called docky, I would think it would be an addon/theme/whatever..?
[05:01] <johnnyzero> There is no documentation as to what to do with the file
[05:01] <johnnyzero> Or where to load it
[05:01] <johnnyzero> Hence the volume up and down is still not working
[05:01] <lameGuy> thanks for the reply, btw
[05:15] <williammw> is there a way to get gmusicbrowser to play more than one song at a time from my server?. right now it wont, all my music is on my server. its better there
[05:17] <williammw> if i do it with parole it says"could not open resource for reading"
[05:18] <lameGuy> vlc?
[05:20] <williammw> vlc locks up
[05:24] <williammw> i just want to select all my songs and hit "play" every media play i know of wont work or locks up trying to queue. except windows media player.
[05:25] <williammw> ARRRG
[05:26] <peeps[lappy]> hello, i have upgraded my ubuntu from 11.04 to 11.10 recently and was having a lot of trouble with gnome, so i tried installing xubuntu-desktop.  when I run xfce4-taskmanager, it doesn't show any processes.  does this happens for others?
[05:27] <peeps[lappy]> i wonder if i should just do a fresh install
[05:27] <peeps[lappy]> so many issues this upgrade
[05:28] <williammw> mine shows processes just fine
[05:29] <peeps[lappy]> also i added "CPU Graph" to a panel and i can't move it or right(or left) click on it to configure it
[05:33] <Sysi> I think cpu graph just is like that now, in panel preferences you have items-tab where you can move it and change preferences
[05:35] <williammw> sys1: thats how i configure mine
[05:36] <Sysi> !tab
[05:36] <peeps[lappy]> hmm, and i opened gnome-system-monitor and i can see xfce4-taskmanager using up basically 100% CPU
[05:36] <Sysi> you could try reinstalling it
[05:37] <peeps[lappy]> do you think i need to reboot after initially installing xubuntu-desktop?
[05:37] <peeps[lappy]> i only logged out of gnome fallback and into this session
[05:38] <Sysi> can't see reason why should you
[05:38] <zenrox> williammw, try audacious
[05:38] <zenrox> its what i use for 25000+ mp3s
[05:39] <Sysi> player with pretty bad search for that many files? :o
[05:39] <williammw> zenrox: i might try that, thnx
[05:39] <zenrox> i like just to do randem
[05:40] <zenrox> i dont seach
[05:40] <peeps[lappy]> and the colors of some thing in the panel do not match the background, is that normal?
[05:40] <peeps[lappy]> http://i.imgur.com/Cw8Xo.png
[05:40] <williammw> zenrox: yeah thats all i wanna do. select all and play
[05:41] <zenrox> yep
[05:41] <zenrox> its what your lookiing for
[05:41] <williammw> ok brb
[05:41] <Sysi> peeps[lappy]: if you changed theme after logging into that session you might need to relogin
[05:41] <peeps[lappy]> eh, i'll just reboot for good measure
[05:43] <peeps[lappy]> the panel still has different background colors
[05:44] <peeps[lappy]> task manager still not working :-(
[05:44] <peeps[lappy]> also, the first time i load thunar, it displays no files in the right pane.  then i close it and open another instance and it's ok
[05:46] <williammw> zenrox: thx. that player queued quick w/o locking up or opening thousands of windows. thnx
[05:47] <zenrox> your welcome
[05:47] <zenrox> its a winamp clone
[05:47] <zenrox> or xmms clone
[05:47] <zenrox> long storie
[05:47] <zenrox> lol
[05:48] <williammw> zenrox: lol i love winanp too.
[05:48] <zenrox> ya
[05:48] <zenrox> you can make it look like winamp2x with a theme change just slect classic
[05:49] <williammw> well.... now i will have to fondle this program some more hehe
[05:50] <zenrox> file-> preferances
[06:09] <williammw> welp this is my default player now lol
[06:10]  * ball wnaders off
[06:10] <IdyllThought> Hi, I'm new here and would like to register my nickname.  I'm not sure what "nickserv" I should use for the command.  Can anyone tell me that?
[06:11] <Sysi> !register
[06:11] <Sysi> /msg nickserv $SOMETHING
[06:12] <IdyllThought> oh, so I don't substitute something for "nickserv".  I was thinking I had too...
[06:12] <Sysi> nickserv is bot handling registration
[06:12] <IdyllThought> ah
[06:13] <zenrox> try /msg nickserv help
[06:14] <johnnyzero> ok I need some help
[06:14] <johnnyzero> I can't figure it out for the life of me
[06:15] <johnnyzero> I followed the directions and even generated the file though keytouch
[06:15] <johnnyzero> But I don't know what to do with the file
[06:15] <johnnyzero> and also I am still getting no control of my volume up/down button after setting the keys up
[06:16] <IdyllThought> Hey, I did it!
[06:17] <IdyllThought> Thanks for the help.
[06:17] <Sysi> johnnyzero: pop a question and see if somebody knows
[06:18] <johnnyzero> Well ok what I would like to do is get the volume to go up and down using my keyboard. I tried to get the keys set up VIA keytouch to do it. The problem is it made a file that I don't know what to do with. Also I'm still not able to move the volume up and down VIA the keyboard. I can only mute the volume.
[06:19] <johnnyzero> If it helps I can show the keytouch file VIA Pastebin
[06:19] <IdyllThought> On my desktop instance of XFCE I am missing the menu in the top right that has my username and pulls down to allow me to restart, logout etc.  It is present on my laptop though.  Is there a way I can get that on my desktop machine as well?
[06:21] <Sysi> IdyllThought: right click → add new items and find the right one on the list
[06:21] <johnnyzero> This is the file: http://pastebin.com/pErVc95q it is displayed on my hard drive like this: /home/johnny/logitech
[06:21] <johnnyzero> logitech BTW is the file name
[06:21] <johnnyzero> Not a directory
[06:23] <Sysi> johnnyzero: open keyboard settings, hotkey tab, can you put "amixer -q set Master 5%+" to command, press enter and get your key recognozed at the next step?
[06:23] <IdyllThought> Sysi, I've done that process, but can't figure out which one would provide that functionality.  I may need to boot my laptop and try to inspect that object's properties to figure it out I guess...
[06:23] <Sysi> IdyllThought: both are 11.04 or newer?
[06:24] <johnnyzero> I don't see a section for hotkey tabs
[06:24] <IdyllThought> Yes.  My laptop is still at 11.04 and my desktop is 11.10
[06:24] <johnnyzero> Unless I'm in the wrong keyboard menu
[06:24] <Sysi> johnnyzero: settings -> keyboard → middle tab
[06:24] <johnnyzero> Only has Behavior, Application Shortcuts and Layout
[06:24] <Sysi> IdyllThought: for me it's Session menu
[06:25] <Sysi> johnnyzero: the shortcuts one
[06:25] <IdyllThought> Wow, that was it!  Thanks!
[06:25] <johnnyzero> Yay that worked
[06:25] <johnnyzero> Thanks Sysi
[06:26] <johnnyzero> Oh wait
[06:26] <johnnyzero> Still no volume down
[06:26] <johnnyzero> Shows the command
[06:26] <johnnyzero> But won't do it
[06:26] <IdyllThought> I don't know why that was missing on my desktop.  I just have deleted it by accident or something.
[06:27] <Sysi> johnnyzero: command for volume down is "amixer -q set Master 5%-"
[06:27] <johnnyzero> ooh
[06:28] <johnnyzero> Sysi, yeah neither volume down nor volume up works for some reason
[06:28] <Sysi> sorry guys, I need to go, wait for someone to pop up if you got more questions (ask and wait)
[06:28] <IdyllThought> I really am glad that 11.10 now knows how to wake from sleep mode for me.
[06:28] <IdyllThought> Thanks Sysi.  Goodnight.
[06:28] <IdyllThought> 11.04 would never wake from sleep successfully for me.
[06:28] <johnnyzero> ok tc sysi
[06:30] <IdyllThought> Why would someone want to wear a cloak to hide their hostname?  Is it a security issue of some sort?
[06:31] <johnnyzero> My keyboard is a logitech mk550
[06:31] <johnnyzero> Maybe there is an issue with that
[06:31] <johnnyzero> I dunno
[06:32] <IdyllThought> Johnnyzero, I'm able to use the volume buttons on my keyboard and I didn't do anything to set that up.  Does every keyboard model require a config file of some sort and your keyboard is so new it doesn't have that file supplied with the distribution yet?
[06:34] <IdyllThought> Just looked it up on the logitech website.  Looks like a nice keyboard.
[06:34] <johnnyzero> Yeah its not too bad man
[06:34] <johnnyzero> But yeah it worked on Gnome 2
[06:34] <johnnyzero> But I dunno
[06:34] <johnnyzero> Won't seem to on this
[06:35] <IdyllThought> Johnnyzero, You are running 11.10 XFCE and having trouble with the volume keys on your keyboard?
[06:36] <johnnyzero> yup IdyllThought
[06:36] <johnnyzero> Yet 11.04 Ubuntu Gnome 2 worked fine
[06:37] <johnnyzero> The mute button works though
[06:37] <IdyllThought> Johnnyzero, have you seen this:
[06:37] <IdyllThought> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/keyboard-volume-controls-not-working-in-xfce-4-6-a-709718/
[06:39] <johnnyzero> Unfortunately I don't have any settings from my old gnome config
[06:39] <johnnyzero> However
[06:40] <johnnyzero> Maybe thats what I need to so with that xml file I have generated
[06:41] <johnnyzero> OK this is what I see in the file
[06:41] <johnnyzero> <property name="XF86AudioLowerVolume" type="string" value="amixer -q set Master 5%-"/><property name="XF86AudioRaiseVolume" type="string" value="amixer -q set Master 5%+"/>
[06:41] <johnnyzero> However
[06:41] <johnnyzero> In another one generated I see this
[06:42] <johnnyzero> name>Volume Down</name>
[06:42] <johnnyzero>       <usb-code>0xc00ea</usb-code>
[06:42] <johnnyzero>       <keycode>VOLUMEDOWN</keycode>
[06:42] <johnnyzero>       <default-action>&quot;xfce4-mixer&quot;</default-action>
[06:42] <johnnyzero> Maybe I should replace it?
[06:42] <johnnyzero> I dunno
[06:42] <IdyllThought> The first set seemed closer to what was listed in the last link of that post:
[06:43] <IdyllThought> http://blog.loxal.net/2009/04/audiovolume-control-keyboard-shortcuts.html
[06:44] <IdyllThought> I'm not exactly sure how to find my config file, so I can share with you what is in it...
[06:45] <johnnyzero> Well what I could try is
[06:45] <johnnyzero> To see if the volume up and volume down work with another key
[06:46] <johnnyzero> It could be just that maybe it just doesn't like that specific rocker vol up and vol down switch
[06:46] <IdyllThought> What is the path to that config file?
[06:47] <johnnyzero> /home/johnny/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce4-keyboard-shortcuts.xml
[06:48] <johnnyzero> Yeah ok tried other keys
[06:49] <johnnyzero> It seems like it is any keys I select for that action to up the volume or lower it
[06:50] <IdyllThought> hmmm, but you can't assign that to the volume keys?  Just any other keys?
[06:51] <johnnyzero> Yeah I even hit x and z as the keys
[06:51] <johnnyzero> And it still won't seem to do it
[06:52] <johnnyzero> hmm I want to see something
[06:55] <IdyllThought> I'm not finding any lines in that same file that have either the word "amixer" nor "volume"  Weird.
[06:55] <johnnyzero> The command to use the mixer in XFCE4 is xfce4-mixer
[06:56] <johnnyzero> though that doesn't seem to work
[06:59] <IdyllThought> Johnnyzero, This looks promising:
[06:59] <IdyllThought> http://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=2611
[07:00] <johnnyzero> Tried that
[07:00] <johnnyzero> Yeah still no good
[07:00] <johnnyzero> for some reason
[07:00] <johnnyzero> However
[07:01] <johnnyzero> again seems like an overall thing
[07:01] <johnnyzero> Cause it won't work with the z or x keys either
[07:01] <johnnyzero> Unless it is working
[07:02] <johnnyzero> and just not showing in the XFCE Mixer panel
[07:02] <IdyllThought> Could be.  Try playing some music.  :)
[07:02] <johnnyzero> ok
[07:03] <johnnyzero> nope
[07:04] <IdyllThought> When I hit my volume up/down keys I do get a pop-up in the top right corner of my screen showing the volume level...
[07:04] <johnnyzero> Yeah I get that for mute
[07:04] <johnnyzero> But not vol up and vol down
[07:04] <johnnyzero> Which is weird
[07:04] <IdyllThought> Yes, weird.
[07:04] <johnnyzero> Though the button clearly works
[07:04] <well_laid_lawn> !info pavucontrol
[07:05] <johnnyzero> I'll try it
[07:05] <johnnyzero> Lets see if it works
[07:06] <johnnyzero> Ok heres what is happening
[07:07] <johnnyzero> There is a little picture of a speaker with a red x
[07:07] <johnnyzero> This blinks when I hit on the keyboard vol up or vol down
[07:07] <johnnyzero> Problem is
[07:07] <johnnyzero> Nothing happens
[07:07] <well_laid_lawn> it's prob muted in alsamixer
[07:08] <well_laid_lawn> try in a terminal   alsamixer -c 0
[07:08] <johnnyzero> ok
[07:08] <johnnyzero> S/PDIF 00
[07:08] <johnnyzero> and thats it
[07:08] <johnnyzero> No volume meter
[07:09] <johnnyzero> The sound is HD BTW
[07:09] <johnnyzero> Its going through the radeon
[07:10] <well_laid_lawn> alsamixer has F5/6 buttons for selecting the default card
[07:10] <IdyllThought> JohnnyZero, have you tried working with xfc4-mixer?
[07:10] <johnnyzero> IdyllThought, the volume will go up and down if I select it manually
[07:10] <johnnyzero> But not with any key control
[07:11] <well_laid_lawn> pavucontrol does the same sort of thing
[07:11] <IdyllThought> My sound was muted at one point and I had to choose Sound card:  Playback:Internal Audio Analog Stereo (PulseAudio Mixer) and then add the Master control and unmute it.
[07:11] <johnnyzero> Oddly the meters blink
[07:11] <johnnyzero> Though the volume doesn't go up or down
[07:12] <johnnyzero> Maybe I should show you what I get in Alsamixer
[07:12] <IdyllThought> There is a button there labeled "Select Controls".  Perhaps try finding which control is muted...  Unless it truly is a keymapping issue.
[07:13] <johnnyzero> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/195/screenshot1017201103124.png/
[07:15] <IdyllThought> That doesn't tell me too much...???
[07:15] <IdyllThought> Have you tried the "Select Controls" thing in xfce4-mixer?
[07:16] <johnnyzero> ok I did a test
[07:16] <johnnyzero> With the App Shortcuts
[07:17] <johnnyzero> I selected for the calculator button to mute
[07:17] <johnnyzero> That didn't work
[07:17] <johnnyzero> So I guess maybe that amixer command isn't working
[07:18] <IdyllThought> Have you added that Master control to your Playback source?
[07:18] <IdyllThought> in xfce4-mixer?
[07:18] <johnnyzero> Wait a minute
[07:18] <johnnyzero> I got it
[07:18] <johnnyzero> of course a mixer won't work
[07:18] <johnnyzero> Because I am not using alsa
[07:18] <johnnyzero> I think I am going through Pulseaudio
[07:18] <TheSheep> you are
[07:18] <johnnyzero> I get the feeling anyways
[07:18] <TheSheep> pulseaudio uses alsa
[07:18] <johnnyzero> ooh
[07:18] <johnnyzero> Hmm
[07:19] <johnnyzero> Not sure then why amixer can't be controlled
[07:19] <TheSheep> but switch the mixer to pulseaudio and check that too
[07:19] <johnnyzero> With the buttons
[07:19] <TheSheep> with the dropdown at the top
[07:19] <johnnyzero> Oh you know what I see
[07:19] <johnnyzero> There are volume meters for pulseaudio
[07:19] <johnnyzero> Buty
[07:20] <johnnyzero> The Alsa mixer meter is blank
[07:20] <johnnyzero> It just has a checkmark
[07:20] <johnnyzero> That says IEC958
[07:20] <TheSheep> :/
[07:21] <johnnyzero> I will show you guys what it looks like
[07:21] <TheSheep> is your user in the 'audio' group?
[07:22] <IdyllThought> I'm going to have to go to bed guys.  Good luck on this.  Seems like you are getting closer.  I have a feeling your sound is just muted somehow.
[07:22] <johnnyzero> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/257/screenshot1017201103204.png/          http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/853/screenshot1017201103205.png/          and finally          http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/853/screenshot1017201103210.png/
[07:23] <johnnyzero> Thats the entire XFCE Mixer panels
[07:23] <johnnyzero> As you can see Pulseaudio works through it
[07:23] <johnnyzero> But Alsa doesn't
[07:23] <IdyllThought> When you play a sound track do you hear anything at all?  or no sound?
[07:24] <johnnyzero> You mean through aplay or just sound in general
[07:24] <johnnyzero> Cause I get sound in general
[07:24] <johnnyzero> I just haven't tried sound VIA aplay
[07:24] <IdyllThought> music of some sort?
[07:24] <IdyllThought> or a podcast
[07:27] <IdyllThought> got to sleep now.  Goodnight.
[07:27] <johnnyzero> tc thanks for trying to help
[07:28] <IdyllThought> you're welcome.  night.
[07:28] <johnnyzero> File plays in Parole
[07:28] <johnnyzero> I will try it in APlay
[07:29] <johnnyzero> Yow!
[07:29] <johnnyzero> Static in APlay
[07:29] <johnnyzero> Sounds like a TV set when you hear fuzz
[07:30] <william12> lol i know that sound all too welll
[07:30] <johnnyzero> It would seem Pulseaudio is working fine
[07:30] <johnnyzero> But not Alsa
[07:30] <johnnyzero> Or to be more specific
[07:31] <johnnyzero> Alsa components
[07:31] <johnnyzero> Like Volume Control and APlay
[07:31] <well_laid_lawn> !enter
[07:31] <johnnyzero> well_laid_lawn, you are not helping
[07:31] <well_laid_lawn> !enter
[07:32] <johnnyzero> !rudeness
[07:32] <johnnyzero> Hmm
[07:32] <well_laid_lawn> !guidelines | johnnyzero
[07:33] <johnnyzero> ok I believe I was direct with my question though it seems nobody can help me
[07:33] <johnnyzero> According to the guidelines I'm supposed to sit here and say nothing until someone can
[07:33] <well_laid_lawn> you did ignore some suggestions along the way
[07:33] <johnnyzero> No I tried them
[07:33] <johnnyzero> They did not work
[07:34] <well_laid_lawn> !enter
[07:35] <johnnyzero> !help
[07:35] <johnnyzero> I need help getting my keyboard sound working. Can you help me?
[07:38] <johnnyzero> No response means no. Thank you well_laid_lawn
[07:40] <johnnyzero> If you can not help me I will find someone in here who can and I will stick around to find someone who has enough patience to do so.
[07:40] <johnnyzero> !patience
[07:41] <johnnyzero> Right and none of those resources help me either. What do I need to do? Submit a bug to bugzilla and get ignored there?
[07:42] <william12> try the #ubuntu channel
[07:43] <johnnyzero> william12, they will say its not their problem and to go to the Alsa room and take it up with them.
[07:43] <johnnyzero> It has happened to me before
[07:44] <johnnyzero> I remember going into Ubuntu once having issues with Gnome Panel and they told me they didn't want to help and to go to the freenode gnome room.
[07:46] <johnnyzero> and a freenode server op turned around and told me "You were given an answer, regardless of whether you like it or not it doesn't matter."
[07:46] <william12> sorry about ur keyboard issue, it sounds like a driver problem to me. but im no wizz
[07:48] <johnnyzero> Well I suppose I don't understand something. If Ubuntu is a collaborative effort and Alsa is a portion of Ubuntu products than why would the Ubuntu community dump me over at the Alsa community. That makes no sense. And its not just Ubuntu who does this. Fedora Community does the same thing.
[07:52] <william12> u have a good question. they all work together but separately.
[07:53] <marcus_> hello someone in here ?
[07:53] <reon> g'morning
[07:53] <marcus_> good morning
[07:53] <william12> they all know linux but each one specializes in different flavors
[07:54] <marcus_> does any1 has got a clue, why the ugr-team doesnt can hold their roadmap-plan ?
[07:56] <william12> i don't.
[07:57] <marcus_> neither do I
[07:58] <marcus_> but do you know how to make this gpoint settings thing work in xubuntu 11.10 ?
[07:58] <william12> there for a sec i was waiting for a punch-line
[08:00] <marcus_> I think you ran out of luck *g*
[08:02] <marcus_> but do you know how to make this think work ?
[08:02] <marcus_> -k
[08:02] <marcus_> +g
[08:03] <william12> no, i come here to learn a little while its busy
[08:06] <marcus_> okay
[08:09] <william12> sitting here on this channel helps me transition from windows a lil bit easier
[09:30] <cjs> So, I wonder if I do want to go with xubuntu rather than lubuntu; the latter seems a bit flakey.
[09:30] <cjs> xfce is pretty mature, at this point, right? Does it change all the time like Gnome does with every release?
[09:32] <well_laid_lawn> it does have updates cjs
[09:32] <well_laid_lawn> like everything does
[09:34] <cjs> I guess what I'm asking is if the UI keeps changing. Every time I upgrade, things seem to be deleted from Gnome. Such as the ability not to show the names of all the users in the display manager.
[09:34] <cjs> Or the huge mess now with the UI changing, gnome-panel vanishing, etc. etc. (I use fvwm, so that sort of stuff tends to force massive changes to my environment.)
[09:35] <knome> cjs, we did have some kind of migration in oneiric, with lightdm and all, but no, the interface should not dramatically change
[09:35] <well_laid_lawn> there was recently a major update of xfce but things have settled down with it now
[09:36] <knome> imo even that major update didn't really change much UI-wise :)
[09:36] <knome> a few things got organized better, easier to manage etc. but isn't that hoped? :)
[09:40] <cjs> That's what I like to hear. And xfce is pretty mature?
[09:42] <knome> yup
[09:43] <cjs> Well, I guess I'll do another install tomorrow, then, and see how it works out. Or will just installing the xubuntu-desktop package on my lubuntu system work ok?
[09:43] <knome> that should work
[09:44] <knome> of course, you'll still have the lubuntu packages
[09:45] <cjs> I can live with that.
[09:45] <cjs> I've got plenty of disk space.
[09:46] <knome> yeah, that's usually not a problem ;)
[09:48] <cjs> Well, thanks, then!
[09:49] <incorrect> is there something like gigolo that can remember the mounts i setup and reconnect at startup?
[10:17] <mtrg> is there any reason why the middle mouse click to pan page content in evince is not working?
[10:17] <mtrg> is it part of the gtk3?
[10:29] <jatt> how do a change the governor using the CPU Frequency Monitor? There is a drop down box Available governors but it always uses "ondemand" no matter what I choose
[10:43] <Alan> Thank you Xubuntu for existing. :D
[10:45] <well_laid_lawn> !fstab | incorrect
[10:45] <incorrect> well_laid_lawn, oh yes i could do it via fstab
[10:46] <Alan> also, how reliable are upgrades?
[10:47] <Alan> As a software developer, i'm suspicious of OS upgrades since there are soooo many possible edge cases
[10:48] <Alan> and every time i try an upgrade on any OS, I always seem to end up with a cruft-tastic OS installation
[10:48] <well_laid_lawn> nothing in life is 100% ... mostly they're fine
[10:48] <incorrect> Alan, depends how you like to write your software
[10:48] <reon> Alan, I only tried an upgrade once and it was not without a few issues. I prefer to start with a clean slate.
[10:48] <Alan> yeah, my usual approach is a separate /home partition
[10:48] <incorrect> i write all my python stuff in a virtualenv avoiding any changes i don't want
[10:48] <well_laid_lawn> the more ppl that try the beta the better the release will be
[10:48] <Alan> move /home/alan to /home/alan-old
[10:49] <Alan> and then fresh install over the top of the old root partition
[10:49] <incorrect> however i am now left on my own if there is a bug fix in python
[10:49] <Alan> incorrect: i've recently started using virtualenv
[10:49] <incorrect> Alan, good move
[10:49] <Alan> incorrect: but my point was more that "as a software developer i know how difficult a problem it is", not "it screws up my development environment"
[10:50] <incorrect> Alan, look at it as, cost/benefit  ok you get shiny new desktop
[10:50] <incorrect> what does shiny desktop give you? more stuff to play with?
[10:50] <Alan> how much has actually changed between xubuntu 11.04 and 11.10?
[10:51] <Alan> wondering if it's worth setting aside any time to upgrade my work machine
[10:51] <incorrect> Alan, if you don't care stick with 11.04 imho
[10:51] <incorrect> 11.10 has too many ugly gtk3 apps
[10:51] <Alan> uh-oh...
[10:51] <well_laid_lawn> the lts releases are there for this reason
[10:51] <incorrect> they work, just ugly
[10:51] <ablomen> Alan, i just upgraded (forgot to do a seperate home partition, so had to really) and it works pretty well
[10:51] <incorrect> well_laid_lawn, well siad
[10:51] <Alan> and so the gnome3 cruft makes its way into all aspects of linux distributions... :(
[10:52] <ablomen> only problem i'm having is that gedit 3 is not backwards compatible
[10:52] <Alan> well_laid_lawn: the problem with LTS releases is that they freeze versions...
[10:52] <ablomen> (with plugins)
[10:52] <well_laid_lawn> gnone3 is just evolution in progress
[10:52] <Alan> so they get horribly out of date...
[10:52] <incorrect> Alan, but does it matter?
[10:52] <Alan> I've already hit this problem on my servers, trying to use python 2.7 features on ubuntu LTS which froze on 2.6, with no 2.7 in the repos, IIRC
[10:52] <well_laid_lawn> there's backports
[10:52] <well_laid_lawn> !backports
[10:52] <incorrect> Alan, sandbox your python
[10:53] <incorrect> might consider building your own
[10:53] <incorrect> the distro is there to provide your desktop
[10:53] <Alan> incorrect: kinda defeats the point of having a package manager :P
[10:53] <incorrect> not at all
[10:54] <Alan> well i'll have a play in a VM first
[10:54] <Alan> see what xubuntu 11.10 is like
[10:54] <incorrect> Alan, good choice
[10:55] <Alan> then i'll decide if i care enough right now
[10:55] <incorrect> Alan, 11.10 is fine
[10:55] <incorrect> you just have to spend some time removing gtk3 apps
[10:55] <incorrect> but it doesn't give you anything in xubuntu land
[10:55] <incorrect> new shiny kernel
[10:55] <incorrect> python didn't get an upgrade
[10:55] <Alan> yeah, i got the impression that the biggest changes really are ubuntu infrastructure changes
[10:55] <Alan> no real XFCE changes
[10:56] <well_laid_lawn> I'm sure there's a changelog
[10:56] <well_laid_lawn> !changelog
[10:56] <well_laid_lawn> ehhh
[11:52] <mstevens> How do I get xbuntu to do the ssh-add thing on login?
[11:54] <oimon> hi guys. long time gnome user, just tried xubuntu 11.10 and seems great. any links to tweak guides to mod my xfce setup?
[11:55] <mstevens> oimon: I'm just trying it for the first time too. Can't stand the new gnome/unity.
[11:55] <oimon> mstevens: tried on and off for a year with unity, but it really does suck in many ways. as does gnome shell
[11:55] <mstevens> I thought so too
[11:56] <oimon> however, i'm sure there's some extra tweaks i can do that i'm not aware of
[11:57] <oimon> i like how the theme looks like gnome shell but actually works properly :D
[11:57] <mstevens> oimon: I'm wondering how to get the same ssh key behaviour as with gnome
[11:57] <oimon> mstevens: not sure what you mean? ssh-agent?
[11:58] <mstevens> oimon: I used to be able to have it remember ssh keys forever, without needing to constantly enter the passphrase.
[11:58] <mstevens> not quite ssh-agent, it'd retain them between sessions
[11:58] <mstevens> oimon: I'd accept just running ssh-add on login as an alternative
[12:12] <Alan> I'm terrible... i just enable gnome services (some checkbox somewhere in the settings)
[12:12] <Alan> get ssh agent and a few other things for "free"
[12:13] <mstevens> if it works
[12:13] <Alan> I'm so glad XFCE exists... not every DE is trying to turn its users into fat-fingered touchscreen automatons
[12:13] <mstevens> Alan: I'm fleeing unity
[12:13] <Alan> yeah, i used unity for a few months
[12:14] <Alan> and then i tried XFCE again and learned 2 things: XFCE has improved a lot since 4.0, and i'm so much more efficient when my window management and stuff isn't dumbed down
[12:14] <mstevens> it seems very fast
[12:15] <Alan> (i'm a "focus follows mouse" person, adapting to unity was painful)
[12:15] <Alan> I am morally opposed to windows not being self-contained entities
[12:15] <Alan> the moment you break the menubar out to somewhere else you break all kinds of workflows...
[12:16] <mstevens> and it has proper scrollbars!
[12:55] <ward_> how do i get icons aligned on the left and right side?
[12:55] <ward_> and why are seperators always 100% invisible?
[12:55] <ward_> now everything is crammed together on the left side and its driving me crazy
[13:14] <jatt> ward_: trying to configure unity is an uphill battle, try another alternative such as xfce4 or kde.
[13:18] <Sysi> jatt: this *is* #xubuntu
[13:19] <Sysi> ward_: add separator left to things you want to be at the right and set it to expand
[13:20] <Sysi> you can also try different looks for separator in those settings, though many of them are hardly visible
[13:24] <Olbi> hello
[13:24] <Olbi> I cant boot from 32 it img of Xubuntu
[13:25] <Olbi> checking on 3cds and 3 optical drive and allways same error, cant read from sectros
[13:25] <Olbi> it is LiveCD 32 bit Xubuntu 11.10
[13:27] <Sysi> how did you burn the disk?
[13:29] <Olbi> normally, on 8x speed :)
[13:29] <Olbi> dao mode
[13:29] <Olbi> close session
[13:30] <Olbi> 2 times I downloaded img for sure it doesnt have errors
[13:31] <Olbi> strange is that, tha virtual img works good
[13:31] <Sysi> you need to burn it as image, not as data
[13:32] <Olbi> I burn it as image ;0
[13:32] <Sysi> do it should be right
[13:32] <Olbi> cause it boot, I can choose language and
[13:32] <Olbi> and than after 1 minute it types errors
[13:33] <reon> how do I disable the nvidia splash screen at startup?
[13:35] <reon> will Option "NoLogo" "True" under Section "Device" do it?
[13:35] <Sysi> it should
[13:35] <Olbi> i think so
[13:36] <Olbi> Sysi: what do you think with my problem?
[13:36] <reon> let me reboot and see if it worked
[13:36] <Sysi> Olbi: don't really know
[13:37] <Olbi> Sysi: I check for 64 bit now
[13:37] <Sysi> 11.10?
[13:37] <Olbi> Sysi: yes, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/oneiric/release/
[13:37] <Olbi> Sysi: from that address
[13:38] <reon> worked a charm;)
[13:38] <Olbi> reon: good to hear that
[13:38] <reon> I'm also happy ;)
[13:39] <reon> anyone know what resolutions plymouth can handle? I dont get full coverage on my 1920x1080 lcd?
[13:49] <Olbi> ok, so I have problems only with 32 bits LiveCD :P
[13:49] <Olbi> 64 bit works good
[13:51] <Olbi> but sometimes it stops and type errors too
[13:52] <reon> Olbi, what if you copy it to usb with dd and try booting via usb?
[13:52] <Olbi> this computer is too old for it :P
[13:53] <reon> where does plymouth save it's images
[13:57] <ward_> jatt, this is #xubuntu.... i didnt speak of unity
[13:57] <ward_> Sysi, thanks, i found the same trough google a while back, works fine now
[13:58] <ward_> it seems to be the closest i can get to gnome2 which i still like the best :(
[13:58] <ward_> also WOW, now i can actually choose a screensaver :-O (thisseemed impossible in unity)
[13:58] <reon> Olbi, how about alternate install image, I always prefer to use those as i've had issues with the desktop images before.
[13:58] <Olbi> reon: I will try it
[14:00] <reon> Olbi, other nice thing of alternate image is you can do base installs with them that does not pull in the desktop environment.
[14:04] <reon> Any idea why Ristretto won't display most of the images in /usr/share/images/grub ?
[14:05] <Sysi> what type of images are they
[14:06] <oimon> xpm?
[14:06] <reon> .tga, it displays two of them but not the rest, also noticed thumbnails for the problematic ones arent displayed in thunar
[14:08] <Sysi> sounds obscure format
[14:09] <Sysi> does thunar tell their size?
[14:10] <reon> not the image size
[14:15] <Sysi> my oneiric installation doesn't have /usr/share/images/
[14:19] <reon> i have a folder there for grub & desktop-base
[14:24] <pimperle> hi
[14:24] <pimperle> has the xfapplet been removed from oneiric?
[14:26] <pimperle> aptitude search xfapplet doesn't find it anymore
[14:32] <reon> pimperle, synaptic says it's part of xfce4-goodies ?
[14:32] <reon> sorry, it's a recoomend/suggest
[14:33] <reon> I can't find it
[14:35] <Pici> pimperle: Looks like it may have depended on some gnome2 things.
[14:35] <Pici> pimperle: See https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-xfapplet-plugin/+publishinghistory
[14:37] <Sysi> it was for using plugins of old gnome, those plugins are gone now
[14:37] <babble__> hurgh, finally. hehe.
[14:38] <babble__> hey all: in Xubuntu 11.10, some apps (Thunderbird) will switch to an already running instance if I click their panel launcher; others (Chrome) will start a new instance instead. Is there a way to set all apps to behave like Thunderbird, instead of like Chrome?
[14:45] <reon> Hehe, we have a win, removing desktop-base got rid of the crappy debian grub splash image!
[14:46] <pimperle> i see. where the plugins ported then?
[14:47] <Sysi> propably not
[14:47] <pimperle> also after the oneiric upgrade, gedit doesn't use proper gtk decorations but looks like some gtk defaults. where should i look into that?
[14:47] <Sysi> use theme that has gtk3
[14:47] <Sysi> greybirf for example
[14:47] <Sysi> *greybird
[14:47] <reon> gedit probably uses gtk3 now so your stuck
[14:48] <pimperle> is there a list of gtk3 themes?
[14:48] <Sysi> check out gnome-look.org
[14:48] <Sysi> basically greybird and adwaita
[14:49] <Sysi> copying gtk-3 folder from greybird or adwaita to your theme's folder works too
[14:49] <pimperle> adwaita is not in my list apparently
[14:49] <Sysi> you need to install it
[14:49] <reon> Ristretto also won't allow me to scroll forwards and backwards between images. Can someone test theirs pease?
[14:49] <Sysi> check settings
[14:49] <pimperle> Sysi: will copying make gtk-3 apps look similar to the gtk2 ones, or will it look like in the gtk3 theme?
[14:50] <Sysi> like gtk3
[14:51] <babble> pimperle: I made a symlink of the gtk-3.0 folder in /user/themes/greybird in /home/(me)/.themes
[14:51] <Sysi> I guess gnome/unity theme also is double-gtk.. ambiance
[14:52] <babble> GTK3 apps will see that as your active GTK3 theme
[14:53] <babble> (I *think* any app that wants a gtk3 theme will look for one; I don't think there's a way to force them to use a gtk2 theme)
[14:53] <babble> argh, not /user/themes, but /usr/themes, I'm an idiot. hehe.
[14:57] <ElderDryas> What about the Widnow Manager styles, are the going to show a gtk2/3 problem down the road (
[15:00] <Sysi> no, they're not related to gtk
[15:01] <ElderDryas> Sysi: thanks
[15:02] <reon> how do I find my network attached scanner in simplescan?
[15:02] <metap0d> Hi everyone, perhaps a foolish question but I am a complete beginner. Is Xubuntu literally the exact same software set as Ubuntu but using the Xubuntu wm?
[15:03] <ElderDryas> metap0d: no
[15:03] <ElderDryas> not the defaults
[15:03] <metap0d> ElderDryas: What would be the major differences aside from xfce??
[15:04] <reon> metap0d, default installed applications
[15:05] <ElderDryas> gmusicbrowser instead of banshee, leafpad-gedit, parole-whatever ubuntu uses, thunar-nautilus come to mind
[15:06] <ElderDryas> metap0d: you can unistall the software you dont like and install replacements thru software center and synaptic
[15:06] <reon> abiword/gnumeric etc vs libreoffice
[15:11] <babble> probably a dumb question, but is gtk3 on the roadmap for Xfce?
[15:11] <ElderDryas> yes
[15:12] <ElderDryas> down the road, maybe 4.10 in the spring, but maybe after that for xubuntu (lts and all)
[15:12] <babble> oh, I'm not really worried about it right now :)
[15:12] <babble> I'm happy enough with Greybird. hehe.
[15:13] <reon> I actually like greybird
[15:13] <babble> I really do too :)
[15:13] <ElderDryas> so do I, as I modified it :)
[15:13] <babble> after getting used to Ambiance on Ubuntu, this feels. Like a breath of fresh air, hehe.
[15:14] <reon> ElderDryas, what mods did you do?
[15:14] <babble> sorry to ask twice - is there a way to have all apps switch to a running instance instead of making a new instance if I click on the app's panel launcher? (i.e. Thunderbird does this in 11.10)
[15:15] <reon> Only thing I would like is an option to change the top corners to square instead of rounded
[15:15] <ElderDryas> reon, I use basix as the wm, which squars things up a bit, so I squared the slider; and changed the basic background color
[15:15] <Sysi> babble: not anything very straightforward, right kind of script in launcher might do that
[15:16] <Sysi> reon: it would be quite easy to edit theme pixmaps to be like that
[15:16] <babble> Hm. I thought about that, but it doesn't look like the launcher for Thunderbird is doing anything special.
[15:16] <zus> hello!
[15:16] <Sysi> thunderbird.desktop maybe is
[15:16] <babble> yeah, that's what I was looking at
[15:16] <babble> sec, lemme go open it again.
[15:17] <babble> the exec line for thunderbird.desktop is Exec=thunderbird %u
[15:17] <babble> must be a t-bird thing. hehe.
[15:17] <reon> bable, you could always ditch the bottom panel and install a dock or something that behaves the way you want
[15:17] <babble> app developers: implement this, plz? Plz plz plz?
[15:18] <babble> reon: yeah, I thought about that too, but everything is waaaaaaay too blingy
[15:18] <babble> one of the reasons I like Xfce is that it gets out of my way :)
[15:19] <Sysi> I kind of like docks, but none of them is really good
[15:19] <Sysi> cairo dock might be after tons of setting up..
[15:19] <babble> I tried Cairo for a couple of days, and AWN
[15:19] <babble> everything seemed. eech.
[15:20] <babble> Like a weekend in vegas with everything bleeping at me. heh.
[15:20] <Sysi> awn was pretty good with litle tweaking
[15:20] <babble> I can't even look at OS X anymore without seeing a ton of chrome. heh.
[15:20] <babble> I may try AWN again, then, if I can get it pared down to a low-fat environment. hehe.
[15:21] <Sysi> osx dock is lame, no way to open new window without going trough pop-up menu
[15:21] <Sysi> can't hide window from dock etc.
[15:21] <babble> Sysi: oh, that's more-or-less a philosophical design choice on the part of OS X app developers. They're moving away from multiwindow apps
[15:21] <reon> Got simple scan to work, installed hplib-gui and after that all is good
[15:22] <babble> oh, you mean a linux app called 'osx dock?', sorry.
[15:22] <babble> (you can hide from the OS X dock, but that's probably neither here nor there.)
[15:22] <reon> babble, you could also just ditch the bottom panel and add a launcher on the top panel next to the menu
[15:22] <mstevens> I hate the way scrollbars are going in, well, everything these days
[15:23] <Sysi> babble: yeah, trough menu
[15:23] <babble> reon: oh, I'm happy enough with the panel launcher I have.
[15:23] <babble> It just seemed odd that thunderbird did x and everything else does y
[15:23] <Sysi> I hate that you need to use scrollbars somewhere
[15:23] <babble> it's okay; I can live with it
[15:23] <babble> it's not a panel-placement issue; it's an app-behavior issue. but again, it's not a dealbreaker.
[15:24] <Sysi> rhythmbox and transmission are like that too
[15:24] <babble> Sysi: (off-topic) You can still hide a given app by option-clicking on the desktop, among other things.
[15:24] <babble> (in OS X)
[15:25] <allenm> can anyone tell me how to default to xubuntu-desktop? I have to hit enter every time I power up which isn't a big deal but if there's a setting or a script I'd rather set XFCE as the default.
[15:25] <reon> you guys tried running e4rat yet?
[15:26] <Sysi> allenm: autologin you mean?
[15:26] <zus> is there an iconset that will display a percentage (%) for wireless signal? these bars arent as accurate,  but at least i can get a better idea with %'s .
[15:27] <allenm> Yeah.
[15:27] <allenm> Sysi: Yeah.
[15:27] <Sysi> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1826040
[15:28] <Sysi> zus: propably not, hovering over icon may work
[15:29] <zus> Sysi,  no hovering doesnt display anything for me. which is why i thought id ask
[15:30] <babble> oh, my one other niggle - is there a way to get the Directory Menu panel plugin to look at a .menu file so I can make a custom layout with separators?
[15:35] <allenm> Sysi: If I set autologin I have to do it from a Unity session. If I do that I can't select Xubuntu since I don't see the session login dialog.
[15:37] <Sysi> that config file should contain default session too
[15:37] <Sysi> if setting it on unity and logging to xfce and rebooting fails
[15:40] <reon> How does one mount a iso image in thunar?
[15:42] <Sysi> I think it doesn't have that functionality
[15:43] <babble> reon: file-roller will open .iso images, if that works. I dunno if Squeeze does, but it may
[15:44] <reon> babble, I would prefer to mount them, I see it can be done with custom actions and scripts
[15:44] <babble> ah, if mount works (I didn't bother to check) you can save that as a custom action for Thunar.
[15:44] <babble> I did for SqueezeFS images.
[15:44] <babble> SquashFS, rather.
[15:47] <babble> keenbean. mount does work :) hehe.
[15:48] <zus> how can i disable "TAP-TO-CLICK'? is it possible to copy the xorgfile from 1010 or something and where did the mouse settings go where i can click the button?
[16:01] <oimon> can someone verify a bug for me? run gnome-do in 11.10 xfce and try to click on the preferences in the menu
[16:01] <allenm> Sysi: I set autologin in Unity and I get Unity which I don't want. That's why I loaded up xubuntu-desktop. So I'm looking for a way to do autologin with xubuntu-desktop as the default.
[16:03] <william12> zus: should be in  menu>settings>settings manager>mouse
[16:04] <zus> william12,  but there is  no check for disabling Tap-to-Click.
[16:07] <zus> when i tried xubuntu 10.10 and linux mint 11 and linuxmint debian edition XFCE, theyre all disabled. but in 11.10
[16:07] <ElderDryas> allenm: I <think the only way to set autologin in xubuntu w/LDM (other than during the install) is to edit /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf.conf   Here's mine http://pastebin.com/DALtJBMx
[16:07] <zus> not so much
[16:08] <ElderDryas> zus: /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-synaptics.conf  change Option "TapButton1" "1" to "0".
[16:08] <ElderDryas> That should work
[16:09] <zus> ElderDryas,  ill give that a go
[16:10] <ElderDryas> zus: Do ou want to disable the "tap" or the touchpad altogether when a mouse is pluged in?
[16:10] <zus> disable tap to click.
[16:11] <ElderDryas> ok, that should do it...WFM :)
[16:11] <zus> disableing touchpad while typing is nice too, coupled with disable tap to click.
[16:12] <ElderDryas> The mouse/touchpad config in xfce leave a lot to be desired :(
[16:12] <zus> all i find are gsynaptics workarounds that i have to  enable  every boot up
[16:13] <ElderDryas> zus: Also check your xorg.conf, sometimes mouse/touchpad configs are in there also
[16:13] <zus> yeah cos i dont have an 50-synaptics.conf
[16:14] <zus> well there is nothing in the xorg.conf  really.
[16:15] <william12> zus: maybe this GUI will help u http://live.gnome.org/GPointingDeviceSettings
[16:17] <zus> william12,  hmm that looks like the gui i refered to from linuxmint11! -
[16:20] <ElderDryas> zus: Also look in SC for "touchpad".  The Pointing devices looks interesting.
[16:21] <zus> sc?
[16:21] <ElderDryas> software center
[16:21] <zus> im making sure i didnt  over look it
[16:21] <zus> yeah  lol
[16:21] <zus> i just  tried in synaptic  and i didnt get anything
[16:22] <william12> zus: its named "pointin devices" in the software center
[16:22] <william12> sorry "pointing"
[16:23] <allenm> ElderDryas: I do believe that's done it. Times like this make me wish there were ways to do more then say "thanks" since I've been trying for a couple of hours to do this seemingly simple thing.
[16:24] <allenm> well that sucks. I couldn't even say thanks.
[16:24] <zus> it's the same as the link william12 . how ever this is much closer to the once i have used...im going to try this....
[16:25] <william12> zus: hope it helps
[16:26] <zus> william12,  me  too and thanks... the install went ok it's just not showing up in menu>settings>pointing devices as stated
[16:27] <ElderDryas> zus: I can't find it either
[16:27] <zus> brb suppose a reboot or  relogin?
[16:28] <ElderDryas> wait
[16:28] <ElderDryas> I'm not sure where the menu entry is but  in  terminal will bring it up
[16:31] <ElderDryas> er...gpointing-device-settings
[16:31] <ElderDryas> cut-n-paste didn't work
[16:34] <zus> nope, nothing.
[16:34] <allenm> ElderDryas: thanks. Your solution worked quite nicely.
[16:35] <ElderDryas> zus: WFM :)
[16:35] <ElderDryas> allenm: What solution ? :)
[16:35] <zus> auto login?
[16:35] <ElderDryas> ah
[16:36] <zus> ElderDryas,  wfm?
[16:36] <ElderDryas> I've been busy and my memory isn't what it used to be.
[16:36] <ElderDryas> zus: Works For Me
[16:36] <zus> oh, ? where is the setting?
[16:36] <ElderDryas> zus:    Maybe a reboot is necessary, I did do that when looking for the menu entry
[16:37] <allenm> this solution - "I <think the only way to set autologin in xubuntu w/LDM (other than during the install) is to edit /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf.conf   Here's mine http://pastebin.com/DALtJBMx"
[16:37] <zus> i did both first i  relogged, then i rebooted
[16:37] <ElderDryas> allenm: I remember once proded :)
[16:38] <ElderDryas> allenm: I've been told it's a LDM problem...I used auto login from the install...that seems to work, but once installed you can't chage w/o editing the file
[16:38] <zus> brb shutting down, then restarting cos nothing is in my menu's and  SC has it marked as installed
[16:39] <ElderDryas> zus: reboot then use the terminal command...
[16:39] <ElderDryas> No menu entery as far as I can tell
[16:39] <zus> whats the terminal command?
[16:40] <ElderDryas> gpointing-device-settngs
[16:40] <ElderDryas> settings
[16:40] <zus> i got it.
[16:40] <zus> but also got
[16:40] <zus> An X error occurred. The error was BadAtom (invalid Atom parameter).
[16:41] <ElderDryas> in the terminal, yeah.  Don't know what it means. Don't care :)
[16:42] <ElderDryas> You get lots of errors when using a terminal to start apps, that's why it's often used to debug why an app won't start
[16:44] <zus> well tapping is disabled!
[16:44] <ElderDryas> :)
[16:44] <zus> thanks william12  and ElderDryas
[16:44] <ElderDryas> zus: np
[16:44] <zus> one day when i can be arsed ill figure how the mint guys got it right and by default
[16:45] <zus> this should put an end to pasting links right in the middle of a comment, when the cursor moves
[16:46] <ElderDryas> zus: IIRC. the LMDE-xfce is the same as xubuntu, guess they didn't want to put another gnome app in an xfce distro
[16:47] <zus> i can understand that? where do i begin to learn the code to write something for  xfce then? something so simple frustrates  me so much,
[16:48] <ElderDryas> zus: pick a language and study...there are many...some hard to learn, some easy...but all are hard to learn correctly.  Grab the source to something you would like to change and start from there.
[16:49] <ElderDryas> Python seems to really popular now
[16:50] <zus> well, if  the point would be to make an xfce version so as to not have another gnome app. if theyre both in python for example the would changing the dependencies and libraries be a solution?
[16:51] <ElderDryas> I'd have to look at the code, but I doubt it's going to be that easy :)
[16:51] <zus> i bet.
[16:51] <ElderDryas> And I gave that up yeasr ago...too damn lazy now.  That's why I'm usinig 'buntu, not arch or slack
[16:52] <ElderDryas> or gentoo
[16:52] <ElderDryas> afk
[16:52] <zus> alright, ElderDryas  thanks again.
[17:04] <xubuntu914> hi !
[17:05] <xubuntu914> tchat in french please ?!
[17:05] <xubuntu914> what the chan ?
[17:09] <reon> how do I make libreoffice look 'normal'?
[17:11] <ElderDryas> xubuntu914: !fr
[17:11] <ElderDryas> !fr
[17:11] <ElderDryas> there
[17:12] <ElderDryas> reon: define "normal"  back to the default?
[17:12] <ElderDryas> reon: nm, I misread
[17:12] <reon> The theme does not match at all, it looks really weird
[17:18] <ElderDryas> reon: So I've heard...I'm not sure there is an answer at this time...goggle was no help.
[17:19] <kakoytou> hello
[17:19] <kakoytou>  could someone tell me how i can see cyrillic letter on xubuntu
[17:20] <ElderDryas> kakoytou: http://askubuntu.com/questions/63178/how-to-set-up-keyboard-layout-switching-and-indication-in-xubuntu might help
[17:26] <ElderDryas> !ru
[17:26] <ElderDryas> kakoytou: You also might try here^^
[17:27] <kakoytou> i'm from Bulgaria, not from Russia
[17:27] <kakoytou> ;)
[17:27] <ElderDryas> ah...
[17:28] <shishire> Just installed 11.10, I'm having trouble getting compiz working.  I enable compiz, but I get no window decorations.  If I manually run the default command "kde4-window-decorator --replace" it complains "QGtkStyle was unable to detect the current GTK+ theme.", and exits.
[17:28] <kakoytou> ElderDryas thanks for the link
[17:29] <kakoytou> I fix it
[17:29] <ElderDryas> kakoytou: no problem
[17:29] <ElderDryas> !compiz
[17:29] <kakoytou> i'm new on xubuntu
[17:29] <kakoytou> before i was a little on ubuntu
[17:29] <kakoytou> but i don't like unity
[17:30] <kakoytou> and i choose to try xubuntu
[17:30] <shishire> ElderDryas, reading through that now, thanks
[17:30] <kakoytou> and it's perfect for me
[17:31] <kakoytou> please for last can you tell me how can i install google chrome
[17:31] <kakoytou> i download a .deb file
[17:32] <ElderDryas> kakoytou: double clicking on the icon in thunar should work
[17:33] <kakoytou> but when i click on it , it shows Internal Error
[17:33] <ElderDryas> ah
[17:34] <kakoytou> the file could not be opened
[17:34] <reon> kakoytou, sudo apt-get install chromium-browser
[17:35] <ElderDryas> Have you tried chromium in the Software Center, it's <supposed> to be chrome w/o the branding...never used it though
[17:37] <kakoytou> thanks
[17:37] <kakoytou> but this is chromium browser
[17:37] <kakoytou> is this a google chrome browser
[17:37] <reon> why do you want chrome?
[17:38] <kakoytou> or something else
[17:38] <reon> chromium is essentially the same thing
[17:39] <reon> kakoytou, what file did you download?
[17:41] <Vlyn> Hey
[17:41] <reon> hi
[17:41] <reon> kakoytou?
[17:42] <likemindead> Just upgraded from Xubuntu 11.04 to 11.10 & it went brilliantly!
[17:42] <likemindead> Thanks, all!
[17:43] <likemindead> First time I upgraded instead of doing a fresh install.
[17:43] <likemindead> Was a bit nervous.
[17:43] <reon> and rightly so :)
[17:43] <Vlyn> Uhm… it tells me “new Ubuntu release 11.10” but I won't get unity with it when I upgrade?
[17:43] <likemindead> Not in Xubuntu, Vlyn no.
[17:43] <Vlyn> And the option menus?
[17:44] <Vlyn> Are they the same as before?
[17:44] <Vlyn> (Ubuntu limited the options really strong)
[17:45] <Vlyn> Hm, reon ran away O.o
[17:47] <ElderDryas> Anyone know what happened to rhythmbox in 11.10?  It seems to 1) have list the icon in notifications area, and 2) lost the streaming radio function (and the plugin in synaptic doesn't appear to work)?
[17:47] <Vlyn> Damn! Ok, I’ll upgrade. And when the option menus are limited like in Ubuntu 11.10 I’ll go to Linux Mint xD
[17:47] <TheSheep> Vlyn: I don't even know what you mean by "option menus"
[17:48] <Vlyn> Ehh… Settings Manager
[17:48] <Vlyn> For example: Appearance
[17:48] <Vlyn> At the moment I got 4 tabs
[17:48] <Vlyn> Ubuntu 11.10 has 1
[17:48] <TheSheep> it's the same as in previous versions of xubuntu
[17:49] <TheSheep> *but*, some of the applications, like evince, went gtk3
[17:49] <lordjj> Vlyn, well you can always install extra stuff, like compiz, which'll give you a whole bunch of appearance options and effects
[17:49] <TheSheep> and most themes won't work well with them
[17:49] <Vlyn> TheSheep: Alright, I’ll just try the upgrade. Not much to loose :-)
[17:59] <reon> help, network manager does nothing to my connection, wireshark tells me I have no interfaces, huh?
[18:00] <reon> network manager say my connection has never been used and when i disable the network it still carries on working
[18:02] <lordjj> Aaah, too much white, need darker themes, it burns!
[18:02] <ElderDryas> lordjj: what theme are you using?
[18:03] <lordjj> I've scrolled through all of them -using the default (Bluebird)
[18:03] <lordjj> Xfce Dusk was kinda ok, but buttons looked weird and title bars unclear
[18:04] <likemindead> Yeah, I like Dusk but it makes some text unreadable in Firefox & a few other places.
[18:05] <likemindead> Light text on light background problems.
[18:06] <ElderDryas> lordjj: Here's what I did.  1) Copy greybird  to ~/.themes; 2) open gtkrc and change base_color: to something less white (I use #EBEFF3)
[18:07] <lordjj> ElderDryas, will try it out.
[18:07] <ElderDryas> gtkrc is in  gtk-2.0
[18:08] <ElderDryas> in gtk-3.0 change @define-color base_color to whatever you choose
[18:08] <anichols> Please help me.  I need to turn off edge scrolling on this touchpad in XUbuntu 11.10.
[18:08] <ElderDryas> #EBEFF3 is the slightly green/blueish color used in thinice
[18:09] <anichols> Settings Manager -> Mouse doesn't have any option to disable, like in Ubuntu (recently changed to XUbuntu)
[18:09] <ElderDryas> anichols: edit /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-synaptics.conf  Option "VertEdgeScroll" "1" change "1" to "0"
[18:10] <anichols> Thank you, ElderDryas!
[18:10] <lordjj> ElderDryas, .themes is in which directory?
[18:11] <ElderDryas> or install "pointing devices" in software center.  There is no menu added that I can find, but type "gpointer-device-settings" in a terminal and the app will start, make your changes there
[18:11] <lordjj> its not in my home folder
[18:11] <ElderDryas> lordjj: /home/YOU  you may have to make one
[18:12] <lordjj> Oh, then where do I find the greybird theme from?
[18:12] <anichols> Umm...there's no VertEdgeScroll option in this file? :(
[18:12] <ElderDryas> lordjj: /usr/share/themes
[18:12] <ElderDryas> anichols: the add one
[18:12] <ElderDryas> then^^
[18:14] <anichols> Got it!  I think.... *tests*  It worked!  Thank you again.
[18:15] <ElderDryas> anichols: np
[18:15] <anichols> I wish there was a GUI way to do that in XUbuntu, but ah well, at least I got the behaviour I want.
[18:15] <anichols> Now I can go to sleep without stressing over it.
[18:15] <ElderDryas> anichols: see my comment above re: pointing device app in SC
[18:16] <anichols> Ah, I missed that note.
[18:18] <reon> can someone tell me wht network manager does not pick up my eth interface?
[18:18] <ElderDryas> lordjj: You will want to rename the greybird folder so you can find it easily in the listings :)
[18:18] <lordjj> Heh, yeah.
[18:18] <lordjj> did
[18:19] <lordjj> I see, it changes the background color. Howabout title bar/window color?
[18:19] <ElderDryas> lordjj: you can change almost anything in the theme there (if you know what you're doing...I don't).
[18:20] <lordjj> Heh, ok. Trial and error it is.
[18:21] <ElderDryas> I found enough to change what I wanted and stopped :)
[18:22] <ElderDryas> lordjj: Be sure to change things in the gtk3 folder also, or they may not show up in those gtk3 apps.
[18:23] <lordjj> Ok
[18:23] <lordjj> Thanks, ElderDryas
[18:23] <ElderDryas> lordjj: np
[18:25] <ElderDryas> time to go...laters all
[18:26] <johnnyzero> Can someone clarify this for me? http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=10248963&postcount=10
[18:27] <lordjj> what's wrong with the panel? Everytime I try yo move an item it resets
[18:27] <johnnyzero> I do not understand this portion of what is being said: "Create two links to that script, named pa_vol_up and pa_vol_down, then they can be run without parameters to step up/down by 1% or with a single parameter to make that the step. E.g.;
[18:27] <johnnyzero> pa_vol_up 10
[18:27] <johnnyzero> pa_vol_down 15
[18:27] <johnnyzero> "
[18:28] <johnnyzero> Where and how are these links created? I'll wait for someone to respond before talking more.
[18:34] <lordjj> why doesn't the "move" option for panel items work?
[18:35] <charlie-tca> lordjj: it does work. Did you unlock it?
[18:35] <lordjj> panel preferences / untick lock? Yeah. Still.
[18:36] <johnnyzero> well_laid_lawn, I asked my question and I asked it with minimal lines and politely. Now may I please receive assistance with my question?
[18:36] <charlie-tca> Then grab the handle on the end of the panel and move them. To move the from horizontal to vertical, you use panel preferences
[18:37] <lordjj> charlie-tca, no I mean items, not the whole panel. You see when I add an item, its automatically inserted at a certain place and I can't move it.
[18:39] <TheSheep> johnnyzero: to create a link, drag a file in thunar using your right mouse button, then select 'link here' from the menu
[18:40] <TheSheep> johnnyzero: alternatively, you can use the commandline "ln" command with the "-s" switch, which is used the same way as the "cp" command, if you are familiar with the command line
[18:40] <TheSheep> johnnyzero: hth
[18:40] <TheSheep> johnnyzero: also, if nobody knows, nobody will answer, it's not like we don't want to talk to you
[18:41] <johnnyzero> well well_laid_lawn criticized me saying I type line by line and I don't give people a chance to answer.
[18:42] <TheSheep> johnnyzero: that's just a cosmetic advice :)
[18:42] <johnnyzero> Well how much time does one need to answer a question I have?
[18:42] <TheSheep> johnnyzero: sure, it's now wasier to read you
[18:43] <TheSheep> johnnyzero: I tried to answer, does that explain it, or do you need more information?
[18:43] <johnnyzero> I'll try what you told me to do
[18:43] <johnnyzero> Lets see if it works
[18:43] <johnnyzero> I already made the volume script so we shall see if this works
[18:45] <johnnyzero> Let me just confirm ln pa_vol_up 2  ln pa_vol_down 2
[18:45] <johnnyzero> That should work to activate the script according to the post in the thread
[18:46] <TheSheep> johnnyzero: no
[18:46] <TheSheep> johnnyzero: ln is the command for making a link
[18:47] <TheSheep> johnnyzero: "ln -s yourscript pa_vol_up" will make a symbolic link named "pa_vol_up" pointing to "yourscript"
[18:47] <johnnyzero> ahh ok I see
[18:47] <TheSheep> johnnyzero: you call it the same way as you would call the script
[18:47] <johnnyzero> and then you need to make one for vol down
[18:47] <johnnyzero> Thats what the thread is saying
[18:47] <johnnyzero> Ok I see
[18:47] <TheSheep> precisely
[18:48] <johnnyzero> Well cross your fingers
[18:48] <johnnyzero> Hopefully this works
[18:48] <TheSheep> if you do 'ls -l' it will list the files,  and will show you your links with an arrow pointing to where they point
[18:50] <johnnyzero> Ok now I'll see if executing those works
[18:51] <johnnyzero> http://pastebin.com/22MtBx8u
[18:51] <johnnyzero> maybe I'm not doing something right
[18:52] <TheSheep> try ./pa_vol_up 2
[18:52] <johnnyzero> ok
[18:52] <johnnyzero> No such file or directory
[18:53] <TheSheep> can you pastebin the result of 'ls -l'?
[18:53] <johnnyzero> sure
[18:54] <johnnyzero> http://pastebin.com/Qn0tfsSA
[18:55] <johnnyzero> We are on the right track though with the solution at least. Thankfully I found that thread.
[18:56] <TheSheep> there is no 'volume' file in there
[18:56] <johnnyzero> the volume file is on the desktop
[18:57] <johnnyzero> ooh ok
[18:57] <johnnyzero> It has to be in the main directory
[18:57] <johnnyzero> Not on the Desktop
[18:57] <johnnyzero> Lets give that a try
[18:57] <TheSheep> actually, you can put them wherever your want, it's most convenient to make a 'bin' directory and put them all there
[18:58] <TheSheep> then you don't need to use that ./
[18:58] <johnnyzero> Well I ran the command
[18:58] <johnnyzero> Though it did not work
[18:59] <charlie-tca> lordjj: Oh, I got ti
[19:00] <johnnyzero> Oh wait
[19:00] <johnnyzero> Yes it did
[19:00] <johnnyzero> Sorry
[19:00] <johnnyzero> Let me try it again to confirm
[19:00] <charlie-tca> click on the panel, click panel, preferences, choose the items tab. You can highlight the one to move and then click the arrows to move it up and down
[19:00] <johnnyzero> Yes works fine
[19:00] <TheSheep> great :)
[19:01] <johnnyzero> So now TheSheep this means I should use this command in the keyboard settings correct?
[19:01] <charlie-tca> lordjj: yes, it is a big change from being able to grab the icon/launcher/etc and move it by moving the cursor.
[19:01] <johnnyzero> and then I could use the vol up and vol down keys on the keyboard
[19:03] <TheSheep> johnnyzero: yes, you need to specify the full path to the files
[19:03] <johnnyzero> alright
[19:03] <TheSheep> johnnyzero: like /home/johnny/pa_vol_up
[19:04] <johnnyzero> and I would need a number also right?
[19:04] <johnnyzero> like pa_vol_up 10
[19:04] <TheSheep> yes
[19:06] <johnnyzero> TheSheep, we're on the right track, however oddly enough by the volume key it doesn't work
[19:06] <johnnyzero> In the terminal it does though
[19:07] <johnnyzero> also vol up works
[19:07] <johnnyzero> in the terminal
[19:07] <johnnyzero> vol down doesn't
[19:07] <johnnyzero> In fact vol down raises the volume
[19:08] <TheSheep> what happens when you call it with -10 as argument?
[19:08] <knome> anybody know how to get altgr+- working? in terminal, i get a space, in firefox, nothing. the combo is supposed to create an ndash
[19:08] <TheSheep> knome: I just use the compose key for that
[19:08] <johnnyzero> hmm lets see
[19:08] <knome> TheSheep, isn't altgr the compose key?
[19:08] <TheSheep> knome: of course not
[19:08] <johnnyzero> ok the minus works
[19:09] <knome> TheSheep, what is then? is it available in all keyboards?
[19:09] <TheSheep> knome: there is normally no compose key on a pc keyboard, I always map capslock to it
[19:10] <johnnyzero> hmm this is very odd
[19:10] <knome> TheSheep, that isn't really a solution though. i'm very used to the altgr+- combo, as it's so easy
[19:10] <johnnyzero> As it works in the terminal but won't as an Application Shortcut
[19:10] <Sysi> knome: do you get other unicode like altGr M for µ
[19:10] <TheSheep> knome: well, you can map anything to it with xmodmap, no?
[19:10] <knome> Sysi, yeah.
[19:10] <knome> TheSheep, i suppose.
[19:11] <johnnyzero> hence this works just fine
[19:11] <johnnyzero> johnny@homepc:~$ ./pa_vol_up 80
[19:11] <johnnyzero> johnny@homepc:~$ ./pa_vol_down -80
[19:11] <TheSheep> btw, for me altgr+- produces \
[19:11] <TheSheep> and with shift it gives ¿
[19:11] <johnnyzero> Its just linking it thats not working
[19:11] <knome> TheSheep, US/PL layout?
[19:11] <johnnyzero> Let me try another button
[19:11] <johnnyzero> and just test that
[19:11] <TheSheep> knome: pl
[19:11] <knome> TheSheep, those come from my "+"
[19:11] <knome> TheSheep, that's just a difference in the layout
[19:11] <johnnyzero> Ok TheSheep its the button for some reason
[19:12] <knome> Sysi, do you know xmodmap-fu well?
[19:12] <johnnyzero> The Vol Up and Vol Down button on the keyboard itself won't sync with the command however using a normal keyboard key does
[19:12] <TheSheep> johnnyzero: change your keyboard to some model that has multimedia keys in the keyboard settings
[19:13] <Sysi> knome: xmodmap -pke > .Xmodmap and check it out
[19:13] <johnnyzero> Oh wait thats weird
[19:13] <johnnyzero> It just worked now
[19:13] <johnnyzero> Hmm
[19:13] <johnnyzero> But only lowered
[19:13] <johnnyzero> Now it doesn't work
[19:13] <johnnyzero> That was really weird
[19:14] <johnnyzero> Ok I'll see if I can change the keyboard model
[19:14] <TheSheep> keycode  20 = minus underscore minus underscore backslash questiondown
[19:14] <TheSheep> that explains it
[19:14] <knome> keycode  20 = plus question plus question backslash questiondown
[19:14] <knome> :P
[19:14] <melter> is there a way to remove the "filesystem" icons from the desktop?
[19:15] <TheSheep> knome: no dash though anywhere
[19:15] <TheSheep> melter: sure, in the desktop settings
[19:16] <knome> TheSheep, i have "minus" in keycode 61
[19:16] <TheSheep> keycode  61 = slash question slash question dead_belowdot dead_abovedot
[19:16] <knome> now how do i know what i should put in there to get the ndash?
[19:16] <TheSheep> knome: try ndash :)
[19:16] <johnnyzero> Ahh ok yeah
[19:17] <johnnyzero> Its the media keys in general that are buggy
[19:17] <johnnyzero> But the vol up and vol down will work with normal keys like z and x
[19:17] <johnnyzero> For example
[19:17] <knome> do i need to do something for the new xmodmap settings to kick in?
[19:17] <melter> TheSheep: thanks
[19:17] <johnnyzero> Even with a changed keyboard model
[19:17] <TheSheep> knome: yeah, you need to load it with xmodmap
[19:18] <knome> hah
[19:18] <knome> "hyphen"
[19:18] <knome> i suppose thats same as "space"
[19:18] <TheSheep> hyphen is not ndash
[19:18] <knome> yeah
[19:18] <TheSheep> it's a different character
[19:18] <knome> but it shouldn't be space either
[19:18] <knome> but it is space
[19:18] <TheSheep> are you sure?
[19:18] <knome> where do i find the list of these aliases?
[19:19] <knome> i can't see anything in terminal: ->­<-
[19:19] <knome> and nothing in FF
[19:19] <melter> is there a way to not count hard drive partitions as "Removable Devices" in desktop settings?
[19:19] <knome> melter, i suppose that depends on your fstab settings, but i might be wrong too
[19:19] <TheSheep> knome: I would look under /usr/share/X11/xkb/
[19:20] <knome> TheSheep, thanks!
[19:20] <TheSheep> not sure where exactly though
[19:20] <knome> i'll look there
[19:20] <lordjj> charlie-tca, is there no way to leave a long blank space on the top panel? (I disabled Window buttons and now all the items are on the left side of the panel, with nothing on the right)
[19:21] <TheSheep> lordjj: use a separator
[19:21] <knome> –
[19:21] <knome> !!
[19:21] <TheSheep> lordjj: you can set it to be a space and to autoexpand iirc
[19:21] <knome> TheSheep, thanks. i owe you a beer. seriously. :)
[19:22] <TheSheep> knome: when we finally meet we are going to get so drunk on the beers we own each other ;)
[19:22] <knome> hehe
[19:22] <knome> of course
[19:23] <knome> that'll happen we i meet jussi too, though he's not going to get drunk, but i'm going to be under the table under no time :P
[19:23] <knome> btw, is .Xmodmap loaded by default on boot?
[19:23] <knome> or do i have to add the xmodmap command to my autostart
[19:23] <johnnyzero> TheSheep, would it help if I provided the output of executing xev?
[19:24] <Sysi> if have right xfce keyboard settings
[19:24] <knome> Sysi, what does that mean?
[19:24] <johnnyzero> For the volume up and volume down keys
[19:24] <Sysi> knome: IIRC if you have "use system default" it works
[19:24] <knome> Sysi, okay. i think i do
[19:25] <knome> Sysi, i'll try that. not a problem really, but would be nice if it worked automatically :)
[19:25] <knome> i need to write a blog article about this
[19:25] <TheSheep> johnnyzero: I can't really help you here, sorry
[19:25] <lordjj> TheSheep, ah I see, with the separator. Thanks. Seems everything's done the long way here :P
[19:25] <TheSheep> johnnyzero: I know that picking the right model for my keyboard fixed it for me
[19:26] <johnnyzero> Oh I see. Because my model isn't listed. Its an MK550
[19:26] <TheSheep> lordjj: yeah, it's more elaborate, but in the end you have more control
[19:26] <TheSheep> johnnyzero: I have Logitech UltraX, it has multimedia keys, so you could try that
[19:26] <johnnyzero> hmm ok
[19:27] <knome> TheSheep, magically, i have the same keyboard... :)
[19:27] <Sysi> setting gnome-panel was nightmare, stuff popping around totally randomly :P
[19:27] <knome> TheSheep, i preferred the old model with no/less (can't remember anymore) multimedia keys
[19:27] <johnnyzero> thanx Sheep!
[19:27] <johnnyzero> :D
[19:27] <TheSheep> knome: magically, when I visited googleplex in mountain view, they also had the same keyboards there ;)
[19:27] <johnnyzero> Yay
[19:27] <Sysi> I had some flat logitech but it was bad, I later heard older models of it were good though
[19:27] <johnnyzero> That worked perfectly
[19:27] <knome> heh, yeah
[19:27] <knome> Sysi, ultrax is good.
[19:27] <knome> Sysi, it's like a full-size laptop keyboard
[19:28] <knome> Sysi, good for your wrists!
[19:28] <TheSheep> it's very sensitive to breadcrumbs though
[19:28] <TheSheep> so no eating by the computer
[19:28] <johnnyzero> Wait uhm that was weird
[19:28] <johnnyzero> worked once
[19:28] <johnnyzero> But then wouldn't work again
[19:28] <johnnyzero> I raised the volume
[19:28] <johnnyzero> Tried it twice
[19:28] <knome> Sysi, especially if you tend to get tenosynovitis (jännetupentulehdus)
[19:28] <Sysi> knome: I'm pretty sure it was that one.. looks totally the same
[19:28] <johnnyzero> Didn't work
[19:28] <johnnyzero> Thats odd
[19:28] <lordjj> Heh, why does the panel refresh itself If I try to grab & move an item? :P
[19:28] <knome> TheSheep, or, one extra kb in the closet;)
[19:29] <knome> TheSheep, vacuuming works quite well too, and just flipping the kb over and shaking :)
[19:29] <TheSheep> lordjj: it segfaults and restarts
[19:29] <knome> TheSheep, (or you can always take the keys off too)
[19:29] <TheSheep> lordjj: known bug
[19:29] <Sysi> I tried to take mine apart and then it went totally horrible
[19:29] <johnnyzero> The volume raises
[19:29] <johnnyzero> But doesn't lower
[19:29] <johnnyzero> Ok well
[19:29] <knome> Sysi, et vaan osaa
[19:29] <johnnyzero> I suppose thats a start
[19:29] <knome> :]
[19:30] <Sysi> we're hitting offtopic old man
[19:30] <knome> i know.
[19:30] <TheSheep> johnnyzero: I suspect that the script does some magic to guess the file name to see whether to lower or to raise the volume, and it cannot guess the filename when it's called from that keypress
[19:31] <TheSheep> johnnyzero: I would just remove that magic part from the script and use two separate scripts instead
[19:31] <johnnyzero> ahh ok
[19:52] <johnnyzero> :D Sheep I found a solution
[19:52] <johnnyzero> I am using the prev and next tracks to up and lower the volume
[19:53] <johnnyzero> The issue was that Linux doesn't seem to like the volume up and volume down buttons on my keyboard
[19:53] <johnnyzero> for some reason
[19:53] <johnnyzero> But it does just fine with those other two multimedia keys
[19:54] <johnnyzero> I think its just the button in and of itself that doesn't bode well for XFCE
[19:57] <lordjj> what's the bar and number next to devices in the Mount Volume applet (on the right)?
[20:23] <sandra_> Hello my fellow Xubuntu inmates :-)
[20:24] <sandra_> I trust your all doing well today.
[20:26] <sandra_> Could someone kindly tell me how I can go about changing my desktop font color from black to white .
[20:27] <sandra_> thanks
[20:32] <TheSheep> sandra_: you might try asking at #xfce
[20:32] <sandra_> TheSheep, Thank you
[20:32] <TheSheep> sandra_: it will be something similar to removing the icon label outline, but I don't know the names you need to put in there
[20:33] <sandra_> TheSheep, btw thank you for that tip :-)
[20:33] <sandra_> worked like a charm
[20:34] <TheSheep> glad to hear that, I think I picked it up at the forum or one of the blogs
[20:39] <mattymanx> Anyone here install Xubuntu 11.10 an just have the install sit there doing nothing after a bit???
[20:41] <w30> mattymanx, I just installe with the update files as installing and it paused numerous times; patience!
[20:42] <ElderDryas> mattymanx: Doing an -upgrade, I did...don't remember about the fresh install. It looked like It wasn't doing anything, then all of the sudden it finished and all well
[20:42] <ElderDryas> Not like the normal install that told you everything and more
[20:45] <mattymanx> Im doing a clean install off dvd.  I did not opt to update to help avoid any messes
[20:45] <mattymanx> I see no HDD activity either
[20:45] <ElderDryas> mattymanx: same behavior...how long has it been "idle"?
[20:46] <mattymanx> About half an hour.
[20:47] <mattymanx> the terminal on the installer shows 20:11 and my watch states its 16:47
[20:47] <mattymanx> Just glad it lets me run this chat via FF.
[20:48] <ElderDryas> Depending on how new/fast you hardware is, I'd say give it another 15 minutes and the call it. You can always check the dvd for errors on the next install
[20:49] <mattymanx> Did the error check first.  Screwed myself in the past by not doing it.  Checked it yesterday too and both times it shows as clean
[20:50] <mattymanx> Whats weird is that i installed the 32bit version in VirtualBox a few nights back and it did not do this
[20:51] <ElderDryas> Tell you what, let's leave it running, you can run out and get a 6 pack, drop it by my house, and if it's not done when you get hoome, call it :)
[20:51] <mattymanx> It slowly moved along and finished.  This is only about 1/3 the way at best
[20:51] <mattymanx> I dont drink.
[20:51] <mattymanx> But I do have coffee in hand
[20:52] <ElderDryas> I have tea, but if you read it carefully I said "get a 6 pack, drop it by my house" :(
[20:53] <mattymanx> Well, my front door is about as close to your place as its going to get! :P
[20:53] <ElderDryas> is the light on the dvd player ever showing activity?
[20:54] <mattymanx> No.  Only time is does is if I am doing something in FF right now
[20:54] <ElderDryas> huh...well, it's your call...IMO 45 min-1hour install time is too long.
[20:55] <ElderDryas> especially with no update DL during install
[20:56] <mattymanx> I will give it a few more min to see if it changes
[20:56] <mattymanx> There is a ¨Skip" button but it does nothing
[20:57] <mattymanx> and i cannot type in the console
[20:59] <mattymanx> Well, not that I want to but its time to call it.  Time of death, 16:11 pm EDT.  Time to reboot and see if i can correct this.
[21:00] <mattymanx> I will keep an eye on it.  If I have to do it a third time I may try installing from the live session though i prefer not to
[21:00] <ElderDryas> Good Luck
[21:00] <mattymanx> may stop in later to say if it worked or not.
[21:00] <mattymanx> Thank you everyone!
[21:01] <ElderDryas> np..have fun
[21:19] <kakoytou> hello
[21:19] <knome> hello
[21:19] <kakoytou> how can i view cyrillic letter
[21:19] <kakoytou> on xubuntu
[21:19] <kakoytou> because now
[21:19] <knome> kakoytou, settings -> language support?
[21:20] <kakoytou> ok
[21:20] <kakoytou> thanks
[21:20] <kakoytou> i'll try
[21:20] <knome> np, hopefully that is the solution
[21:26] <xubuntu463> I just wanna say
[21:26] <xubuntu463> Xubuntu kicks ass.
[21:26] <xubuntu463> That is all.
[21:27] <knome> xubuntu463, thanks, and enjoy
[21:27] <xubuntu463> Installing in a VM as we speak, but I put it on my laptop earlier... Flawless.
[21:28] <xubuntu463> Loving 11.10 right now, all the fun of Linux 3.0 without the madness of Unity.
[21:28] <kakoytou> i try, i change my regional language to bulgarian
[21:28] <kakoytou> but it won't work
[21:29] <knome> kakoytou, can you explain a bit further what the problem is?
[21:30] <mattymanx> Well, second install attempt seems to be motoring along just fine
[21:31] <kakoytou> when i open text file with gedit letter is not cyrillic
[21:31] <kakoytou> it's something unrecogniize
[21:31] <knome> kakoytou, try to change the gedit font maybe
[21:32] <mattymanx> Installed this time from the live session.  Should be done shortly
[21:33] <kakoytou> i'm on deja vu sans bold
[21:33] <mattymanx> install done.  Time to reboot
[21:33] <mattymanx> Laters
[21:36] <kakoytou> could someone tell me how can i fix it
[21:36] <knome> kakoytou, try another font; the "ubuntu" font should have cyrillic stuff, too
[21:38] <kakoytou> and ubuntu don't work
[21:38] <kakoytou> but when i try to write a new document
[21:39] <kakoytou> for example in abiword
[21:39] <kakoytou> i can write on cyrillic
[21:39] <knome> kakoytou, have you tried leafpad instead of gedit?
[21:39] <kakoytou> the problem is when i try to open cyrillic .srt file
[21:40] <kakoytou> yes
[21:40] <knome> the same problem?
[21:40] <kakoytou> yes
[21:40] <knome> hmm.
[21:41] <knome> maybe a problem detecting the right encoding
[21:49] <pteague_work> in oneiric xfce terminal is it no longer using ssh-agent for storing ssh keys? because i use `ssh-add` & it seems to add my ssh key, but then when i attempt to ssh to something it then pops up a window asking for the password to my ssh key
[22:05] <likemindead> Installing all the extra xscreensaver packages is the awesomesauce.
[22:40] <gNewPower> hi - can you guys point me to the HOTWO which shows how to completely remove all GNOME components after moving from Ubuntu to Xubuntu? thanks
[22:41] <drc> There's a web page for that...let me see if I can find it again
[22:41] <gNewPower> thanks
[22:41] <knome> !purexfce
[22:42] <Unit193> knome: Just before :P
[22:42] <knome> :)
[22:42] <drc> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfce
[22:42] <gNewPower> exactly
[22:42] <gNewPower> that is the one I was looking for
[22:42] <gNewPower> thanks!!!
[22:42] <drc> damn bots!  :)
[22:43] <knome> drc, i am only a bot, don't think i'm intelligent
[22:43] <Unit193> I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[22:43] <drc> knome: I don't...
[22:44] <drc> smarter than I, sure, intelligent, never
[22:46] <knome> heh
[22:48] <drc> charlie-tca on vacation?
[22:48] <knome> well he was online today
[23:14] <pimperle> since my upgrade to oneiric, the pulseaudio volume applet in the system tray is missing
[23:14] <pimperle> how can i reenable it? do i have to start a certain service?
[23:21] <lordjj> pimperle right click panel > add item > mixer ?
[23:22] <pimperle> lordjj: indeed, that brings the icon back
[23:22] <pimperle> however before the upgrade i could right-click it to bring up the pulseaudio settings where i could manually adjust the volume for single applications
[23:23] <pimperle> this now looks more like an xfce panel widget than like pulseaudios applet
[23:23] <drc> and the mixer does nothing that the icon in the Indicator Plugin doesn't do
[23:24] <pimperle> indicator plugin?
[23:24] <drc> the tray with the sound and network icon
[23:25] <pimperle> well, there is no sound icon anymore
[23:25] <pimperle> the network icon is still there
[23:25] <drc> there is on mine :)
[23:25] <pimperle> oneiric?
[23:26] <pimperle> can you somehow determine the process which shows it?
[23:26] <drc> yes
[23:26] <pimperle> i think i'd only have to start the right process
[23:26] <pimperle> however i cannot find a binary to bring it up
[23:27] <drc> Sessions and startup>application autostart> chack PulseAudio Sound System?  I'm guessing here.
[23:28] <pimperle> i even have an entry for volume control in this menu (which is activated without success)
[23:28] <pimperle> "Show desktop volume control"
[23:29] <drc> 11.04 or 11.10  fresh install or upgrade?
[23:29] <pimperle> 11.04 -> 11.10 and it worked in 11.04
[23:30] <pimperle> i cannot check the commands associated with the entries in the autostart list
[23:30] <drc> My App Autostart shows no "Show desktop volume control", it did in 11.04, but never on my fresh install of 11.10.
[23:31] <pimperle> ah, i started gnome-sound-applet manually and there it is
[23:31] <pimperle> the config files for the entries in the autostart configuration dialog are in /etc/xdg/autostart btw
[23:32] <pimperle> now i only need to find a gtk3 theme which looks similar to xfce-4.6
[23:33] <drc> Good luck on that
[23:33] <pimperle> :)
[23:33] <pimperle> will the xfce themes be ported to gtk3 someday?
[23:36] <drc> IIRC, gtk3 for xfce in 4.10 (spring)...whether it will make 12.04 is another question.
[23:36] <drc> porting themes or making new ones?  Dunno, greybird is starting to add gtk3
[23:37] <pimperle> yes, but i don't like it that much
[23:37] <pimperle> i'd prefer xfce4.6 if i could
[23:37] <pimperle> however the icons in thunderbird also are messed up
[23:38] <drc> white?
[23:38] <pimperle> from time to time i should create a new user and copy its gtk config into my home folder
[23:39] <pimperle> they are black and white
[23:39] <pimperle> like in the high contrast theme but i selected elementary
[23:40] <w30> What graphics viewer do I want to use in the file manager to view graphic files with? Default Gimp is a little heavy just to quickly view a jpeg.
[23:41] <pimperle> w30: eog
[23:41] <pimperle> i find it easy to use with a reasonably quick startup
[23:41] <pimperle> gnaa, i just figured it uses gtk3 as well
[23:41] <pimperle> crap
[23:42] <drc> w30: but you have to add it in the Software Center, I think xubuntu default to something else (gthumbs?)
[23:42] <w30> pimperle alright, I too will use it, thanks
[23:42] <w30> drc, mine defaults to Gimp, sigh...
[23:43] <pimperle> right, i think they added gthumb as default in oneiric
[23:43] <knome> w30, right-click -> open with, and you get to select the default app
[23:43] <knome> yes, gthumb is default in oneiric
[23:44] <drc> w30: right-click>properties>Open With
[23:46] <w30> drc, got it, thanks
[23:47] <pimperle> selecting a gtk3-theme somehow changes only half of the colors. the result look nothing like the screenshots on gnome-look.org
[23:47] <pimperle> are the themes missing something or will they just not fully work with xfce?
[23:48] <pimperle> i tried restarting xfwm, but i'm not keen to relogin and close all windows
[23:48] <pimperle> will this help though?
[23:48] <conbot123> hey
[23:49] <conbot123> wtf is wrong with unetbootin?
[23:49] <conbot123> it can extract 10.04 perfectly
[23:49] <conbot123> but when i boot 11.10 it drops to a busybox prompt
[23:49] <conbot123> i am installing 10.04 right now ... :(
[23:50] <conbot123> gtg...
[23:50] <pimperle> conbot123: tried 11.04?
[23:50] <drc> conbot123: I was having problems with unetbootin 555 and 56Something in 11.10.  Installed from Software Center (549?) and it worked