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rbelemQuintasan, :-D00:50
Daskreechhello can someone give some pointers to Linkmaster in #kubuntu ?02:04
DaskreechHe can't see his school network with iwlist and just wants debugging tips02:05
DaskreechI've no idea since I've never used Wifi 02:05
Tm_Tdon't know if this kde or kubuntu bug, but plasma crash when trying to change colours https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28433107:21
ubottuKDE bug 284331 in general "Plasma destop crash when trying to apply colour change" [Crash,New]07:21
ghostcubedebfx: after shutting down manually one time yesterday, the commandline inside systemsettings seem to do the job it powered off last night, but dont ask me why08:28
jtr__hello 08:45
jtr__kopete crashed, i tried to report it via the bug wizard ( which i think uses dr.konqi to find suitable debug packages) - i 'ok'ed everything till it failed to authenticate08:45
jtr__and this happens everytime !08:45
jtr__can someone tell what i should do?08:45
Riddellhmm, that might be due to no packagekit installed08:55
Riddelltry installing apper08:55
apacheloggernah09:20
apacheloggerRiddell: dbginstaller uses libqapt09:20
apacheloggermore likely a polkit problem if it failed to auth09:20
jtr__Riddell: i have apper09:33
jtr__apachelogger: do you have a solution ? i dont know what polkit is09:33
apacheloggernot really09:33
Riddellis it trying to install packages when it fails to authenticate?09:33
apacheloggerpolkit is the thing that asks you to authenticate09:33
jtr__yes09:34
jtr__Riddell: yes09:34
jtr__apachelogger: seemingly it never asks 09:34
apacheloggeroh09:35
apacheloggerthat is weird09:35
apacheloggerjtr__: is polkit-kde-authentication-agent running?09:35
jtr__apachelogger: how can i check?09:35
jtr__apachelogger: pardon me , i dont know too much09:35
apacheloggerpress ctrl+esc09:35
apacheloggersearch for polki09:35
apacheloggerehm09:35
apacheloggerpolkit09:35
apacheloggerobviously :)09:35
jtr__apachelogger: polkitd running09:36
jtr__apachelogger: thats it09:36
apacheloggeroh, that is funny09:36
apacheloggerjtr__: are you running gnome?09:36
jtr__apachelogger: no kde09:36
apacheloggerjtr__: or did you install ubuntu and then install kubuntu-desktop on top of that?09:36
jtr__apachelogger: yes09:36
apacheloggerah, ok, there is a bug with that09:36
jtr__apachelogger: i see09:36
jtr__apachelogger: many other weird things , when i slide desktops in kde particularly the 1st two in the row ( horizontal movement) , i see the old classical unity like look behind it sometimes09:37
apacheloggerjtr__: what is the output of `dpkg -s polkit-kde-1 |grep install` on a terminal?09:37
apacheloggerohhhh, is uniy running?09:38
jtr__no no09:38
jtr__i dont think so09:38
apacheloggerwell09:38
jtr__i upgraded to gnome3 long ago09:38
apacheloggerctrl+esc and check :)09:38
jtr__i guess it breaks unity09:38
jtr__or so i've heard09:38
apacheloggerit should not09:39
jtr__no unity not running09:39
apacheloggerok, weird then09:39
apacheloggeranyhow, what is the output of the dpkg command?09:39
jtr__not installed , no info available .09:39
jtr__should i apt-get it?>09:39
apacheloggeryes09:39
apacheloggerthen logout and back in again09:39
apacheloggerthat should fix auth09:40
jtr__ok, what i was actually doing and got me irritated that i had to fix this was  ---> i wanted to report a bug after kopete crashed and the dr.konqi debug symbols required the auth09:43
jtr__otherwise i would always sudo the process in terminal ;)09:43
jtr__let me check if it worked09:44
jtr__btw, is it possible to crash kopete again :P09:44
jtr__wow! it did crash again :lol:09:44
jtr__apachelogger: didnt work09:45
jtr__apachelogger: still the same message...do i need to restart the desktop env?09:45
jtr__apachelogger: brb09:45
jtr__apachelogger: its the Qapt batch installer giving the auth error09:48
Riddellfregl: what's this about accessibility crashes?10:38
freglRiddell: I wonder too... I get crashes in the qt-at-spi bridge when loggin in. doesn't feel good. maybe there's not to many people having the qt-at-spi package installed when running kubunt ?10:39
freglon crash is nepomuk on startup in a XInternAtom call...10:40
freglit's my code, that's the scary part :(10:40
Riddellqt-at-spi isn't installed by default10:40
freglRiddell: yes. but it's a dep of ubuntu-desktop...10:41
Riddelluh huh10:41
RiddellI didn't expect that10:42
freglit seems to work ok for unity-2d but I see big problems coming when mixing with kde apps10:42
Riddellwhy is that?10:42
fregland I wish you could update to the newer version of the bridge, but that depends on qt 4.810:42
freglI don't know, there are bugs in qt 4.7 and lots of fixes in the bridge after that...10:43
freglRiddell: are you back on kubuntu?10:43
freglanyway, install the package and see what happens...10:43
freglsome apps will randomly crash :(10:44
RiddellI'm working on bzr this week, back on kubuntu next week10:44
freglnice10:45
freglwhat is responsible for setting the QT_ACCESSIBILTY env var in Kubuntu now? if it doesn't get set, nothing happens. but for the kaccessible app that is included now, it's set10:49
RiddellI don't have it set10:52
Riddellmaybe it's done in the qt-at-spi package10:53
Riddellhmm, don't see anything in there10:53
* fregl neither10:53
Riddelldidrocks: do you know?10:53
freglmaybe it comes from unity 2d somehow ???10:53
* fregl used to have it in his bashrc to test all apps with accessibility enabled.. but took it out from there10:54
freglRiddell: what about kaccessible from kdeaccessibility - that needs it as well when activating the screenreader?10:55
freglnope, I don't see it10:56
didrocksRiddell: qt-at-spi doesn't do it.  I just know TheMesu is doing it in gnome-control-center when then accessibility is set to on. I think you have the some kde thing (ui to set it?)10:58
didrocksTheMuso*10:58
freglRiddell: didrocks: just found out from TheMuso: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90qt-a11y11:06
freglfrom at-spi2-core11:06
fregland it checks for the gnome setting to be active, so it should not affect many users11:07
didrocksfregl: urgh, seems wrong to me, it checks then if the $dm user has accessibility on11:09
Riddelldidrocks: that gets run before login?11:17
fregldidrocks: that sounds weird indeed. and the dm doesn't know about which user is going to log in... if I understand correctly11:18
freglwhen does the Xsession.d stuff get run?11:18
didrocksRiddell: I'm not there if it specified for $dm, I know that lighdm and gdm log in before and change the current user before sourcing them, but don't know for other dms11:18
didrocksfregl: ^ 11:19
didrocksif the dm log in before, gsettings will take the current user11:19
fregldidrocks: ok, I am running lightdm atm because it replaced my kdm without asking me during the update11:19
freglI wanted to switch back, but didn't get around to it yet11:20
freglespecially since now I can't shut down from a kde session any more, just log out11:20
freglthe kaccessible stuff that comes with KDE 4.7 also depends on the QT_ACCESSIBILITY variable to be set btw, I still don't see how that would happen11:20
didrocksfregl: urgh, yeah, that's not good, just reconfigure the kdm package, should work11:21
freglthere is nothing in the kdeaccessibility-4.7.2 source as far as I can see11:21
fregldidrocks: thanks11:21
freglsaves me googling :)11:21
RiddellI don't think QT_ACCESSIBILITY gets set by kaccessible, if you want it you just set it manually11:21
freglRiddell: do  you get a system tray icon by default? I have it showing up and giving me a checkbox to enable the screenreader that seb sauer wrote11:22
Riddellthere's no kaccessible system tray icon by default11:24
Riddellpresumably you have it because you have QT_ACCESSIBILITY set11:24
Riddellshould we change /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90qt-a11y to not set QT_ACCESSIBILITY if KDE_FULL_SESSION is set?11:25
freglRiddell: I don't know. at least that's a temporary fix.11:28
freglI just tried kdm and it set the var also, so no change there.11:29
Riddellfregl: do you want to try a if KDE_FULL_SESSION != true as well?11:29
Riddellor whatever the bash is for that11:29
freglRiddell: I can try. I'll first try disabling a11y in gnome-control-center now... logging out and in is fun11:30
freglI have it set still... maybe I should try to understand the xsession script11:34
freglit still returns true, I wonder what sets this var org.gnome.desktop.interface toolkit-accessibility11:35
Riddellwell it'll be the gnome accessibility config tool no?11:37
freglnot the one in gnome-control-center afaict, is there a separate one?11:40
freglbut setting that gconf setting to false fixes the crashing11:40
fregland it also hides the kaccessible tray icon11:40
Riddellfregl: well I expected all that :)11:44
freglyes, at least  you know what's going on :)11:44
freglso maybe it makes sense to disable the seeting for kde sessions. it would be nicer to properly fix it, but short term it sounds reasonable.11:45
Riddellbut you say there is no proper fix, that needs qt 4.811:45
freglyes, I suspect so. I don't know how many individual fixes could be backported. and adding more patches on top of your qt 4.7 doesn't sound all that great11:46
Riddellhmm well we can't use KDE_FULL_SESSION12:11
RiddellI wonder how else to decide if it's Plasma or not12:11
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CIA-130[lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/libkdeedu] Philip Muškovac * 16 * debian/ (changelog control) libkdeedu-data should be Arch all.13:38
jonnypnkeyes is this the right placed to ask about problems with 11.10?13:42
jonnypnkeyesscrew it. ill ust do a fresh install13:46
_Groo_hi/2 all14:45
_Groo_anyone here with nvidia proprietary driver, oneiric and vlc?14:46
yofela) and b) yes - c) can try14:47
_Groo_hi yofel :D14:48
_Groo_yofel: just enable the gpu acceleration.. it should crash vlc in oneiric... aparently its a vaapi bug + latest libc14:49
_Groo_btw you need to install the vaapi vdpau package 14:49
_Groo_was working fine in natty14:49
yofel_Groo_: what package name? can't find it14:52
_Groo_yofel: vdpau-va-driver14:52
_Groo_yofel: also install vainfo package.. that way you can run vainfo and see if the vaapi is working fine14:52
Quintasangreetings from the transformer15:32
Quintasanhmmm15:33
Quintasanthis works pretty nicely provided you dont write too fast15:34
_Groo_Quintasan: hey hey15:34
_Groo_Quintasan: do you have a nvidia card?15:34
QuintasanYes, I do15:34
QuintasanI will test it when I am done with my homework15:34
_Groo_can you test vlc with vaapi vdpau extension? its fast and its crashing in libc for some perfectly good h264 movies that it didnt in natty15:35
QuintasanHomework comes first my friend15:35
_Groo_yofel already did some testing, but his short on 1080p movies :15:35
_Groo_:D15:35
_Groo_he is*15:35
Quintasanoh I have plenty of these15:36
QuintasanWell then, off to homework15:37
_Groo_Quintasan: ok, after you are done with that, open vlc, go the input and codec, enable gpu accel... youll need to install vdpau-va-driver and vainfo, run vainfo to see if everything is working fine..15:38
_Groo_Quintasan: then open a bunch of 1080p h264 movies.. if you are lucky you should crash vlc 1.11.x, 1.2.x wih a glibc beautiful crash15:39
QuintasanOkay15:39
_Groo_anyone experiencing this? kde 4.7.2 in oneiric doesnt save the windows positions and sizes after closing the app15:46
Darkwing_Groo_: No issues here.16:14
_Groo_Darkwing: strange indeed.. tks anyway16:15
_Groo_apachelogger: ping16:50
apacheloggerpong16:50
_Groo_apachelogger: see #Phonon pls :)16:50
_Groo_apachelogger: cant compile damn phonon-vlc16:50
_Groo_apachelogger: it doesnt find phonon-config.cmake16:51
apacheloggerfix yer path then16:51
_Groo_apachelogger: explain16:51
_Groo_apachelogger: already installed libphonon-dev and experimental-dev16:52
_Groo_apachelogger: what else is missing?16:52
yofel_Groo_: you are using phonon from git are you?16:54
_Groo_yofel: nope... just got the answer from Rdieter16:55
_Groo_cloning now16:55
_Groo_i upgraded to vlc 1.2 daily16:56
_Groo_which broke phonon from 4.7.216:56
_Groo_so..16:56
apacheloggeryou need phonon git17:01
apacheloggeror you no can build stuff17:01
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claydohA number of nice reports concerning oneiric upgrades in kubuntuforums since release :)18:00
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claydohand not as many kmail2 horror stories as I had anticipated18:01
claydohBut that begs the question of how many people *don't* use Kontact18:02
ForgeAus:) its a ppa thing I think18:02
ForgeAusnormal servers ok?18:02
claydohForgeAus: wrong channel? :D18:03
apacheloggerwell18:04
ForgeAusis it?18:04
ForgeAusI was replying to something you said18:04
apacheloggerin lights of kontact stuff and rekonq still being less than stable, I believe we should rethink our values at some point18:05
ForgeAuskontact and kmail in oneric are mostly ok aren't they? its the ppa one that is messed up from what I can tell... 18:05
claydohForgeAus: I though ti was in re to comments in #kubuntu18:06
claydohForgeAus: no, the issues are with the version in 11.1018:06
ForgeAusin #Kubuntu? I think he thinks thats a plasma problem seems to me more an X11 one18:07
ForgeAusI could be wrong but that has nothing to do with kmail, kontact or a ppa afaik18:07
claydohapachelogger: I kinda agree, but I still prefer to have as many KDE specific things as we can,  but there are no alternatives, though18:07
claydohForgeAus: my bad, I just didn't see the connection to my statements is all :)18:08
ForgeAusclaydoh: its ok18:08
ForgeAuskonqueror?18:08
claydohas the migration to kmail2 is broken , and other bugs and annoyances and complications18:08
claydohForgeAus:  ugh :) more website incompatibilities, though more stable18:09
ForgeAusclaydoh, well you could go back to arora wasn't it? ... not as far to fall... 18:10
claydohchromium imo18:11
ForgeAusyeah thats another choice18:11
ForgeAusis chromium webkit though?18:11
claydohbut  with some better theming if possible18:12
ForgeAuskhrome? lol18:12
claydohor rather chrome, its Qt, right? chromium building seems to dep on gtk18:14
claydohif we pick and choose what all the other kids are using to build their distros, what separates us from them?18:14
ForgeAuschromium is the engine isn't it? I think both are GTK dependant18:15
ForgeAuseither way I highly doubt Chrome is Qt-based18:15
claydohor stick  with rekonq, keep it updated, and offer a browser installer that offers more than firefox? that might be nice18:15
ForgeAusthe installer still keeps firefox's basic ubuntu homepage, and lots of other ubuntu stuff anyway... 18:18
claydohwell  messes up one good idea :)18:18
ForgeAusapparently theres something slow about QT for browsers18:19
ForgeAusan article mentioned Opera dropped Qt and become faster than Chrome (not sure about when that was)18:19
apacheloggerright18:21
apacheloggerthat is why the n9 has the fastest browser made entirely with Qt18:21
claydohapachelogger: port it then :)18:21
apacheloggerit aint floss18:21
apacheloggerwell, not yet anyway18:21
claydohthere are no good solutions that cover everything atm,  at least not to my feeble mind18:24
apacheloggerclaydoh: browserwise?18:24
* apachelogger thinks that every browser is rubbish, just in different ways18:24
claydohapachelogger: ya18:24
claydohapachelogger: agreed18:24
apacheloggerone is proprietary, one is slow, one is unstable, one hogs memory...18:25
claydohso what is least rubbish?18:25
apacheloggerkate18:27
apachelogger:P18:27
ForgeAusbut kate isn't a web browser18:28
apacheloggerexactly.18:29
ForgeAusI think he meant what browser is the least rubbish?18:29
apacheloggerkate18:30
* ForgeAus scratches his head18:31
ForgeAuschromium is floss right? you could use whatever you like of that code and put a Qt face on it? ... 18:32
claydohForgeAus hasn't figured out apachelogger 's mind yet :)18:34
apacheloggerForgeAus: that is what Qt browsers do18:34
apacheloggerqtwebkit is webkit which is what drives chrome and the js interpreter used is also the same as used in chrome18:35
apacheloggerin consequence all the important bits are cherry picked but except for the n9 browser none has managed to make it into a usable product yet18:35
ForgeAusback, and sorry I wasn't aware chrome was webkit-based too18:46
* claydoh hearts quasseldroid, just saying for no resin in particular18:51
claydohs/resin/reason18:52
ForgeAuslol quassel isn't my thang I'm afraid19:03
ForgeAusI'm more a konversation - alist19:03
ForgeAusquassel gives me that x-chat feeling all over again... oddly enough19:03
* yofel uses it for it's core/client part - and because he isn't really an irssi fan19:05
claydohM19:05
ForgeAusyeah ther core/client thing is interesting ... I just don't find that I need it thats all :)19:06
ForgeAusand yes well that s far from x-chat like that particular respect...19:06
* claydoh agrees with yofel, used it for the same reasons19:06
* claydoh is still learning how to use Swype, maybe should use voice commands instead19:08
BarkingFishEvening guys :)19:37
shadeslayerapachelogger: any ideas if I have to root my transformer to put Ubuntu on it? the forum post doesn't really say anything19:37
shadeslayerAnd when I boot the device into recovery, I get a exclamamtion mark and it doesn't get detected over USB19:38
BarkingFishQuick question for you, since it seems I may be looking for something which doesn't exist - I just tried to fsck a swap partition, and there's no fsck.swap - should there be one in the 3.0.0-12 kernel?19:38
yofelBarkingFish: what point is there in fsck-ing swap?19:39
BarkingFishI don't know - maybe the same as there is with checking any other partition which goes feet up and stops your machine dead? :P19:41
yofeleven if there is such a thing, I've never seen swap having fsck enabled in fstab so far19:41
apacheloggershadeslayer: maybe19:41
apacheloggershadeslayer: how am I supposed to know? :P19:41
apacheloggertalk to Quintasan19:41
apacheloggerfigure it out19:41
shadeslayerheh, yeah19:41
* apachelogger won't be around forever :P19:41
shadeslayerQuintasan is busy till thursday i think19:41
BarkingFishI got a whole shedload of DMA write errors which flooded VT1, and stopped my kdm dead, disrupting the display.19:42
BarkingFishI wanted to find out whether the partition was knackered :)19:42
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* apachelogger feels hugged19:42
yofelwell, worst case just mkswap the swap partition and fix the UUID in fstab, but DMA is memory access, not swap19:43
* shadeslayer gives a cookie to apachelogger19:43
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valorieUBER HUG TIME19:43
yofelkubotu: order cookies for apachelogger and valorie19:43
* kubotu slides a whole bunch of world's finest cookies down the bar to apachelogger and valorie.19:43
BarkingFishyofel, I think I'll do that then, just reset the swap partition and put the new UUID in.19:43
valoriebooki is not fun19:44
shadeslayer^^ agreed19:44
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shadeslayerProbably because it's in pyth0rn19:44
apacheloggerwhat is a booki?19:44
shadeslayerapachelogger: It's a tool to make books19:45
shadeslayerand we're writing a beginners guide to KDE at the Doc Sprint19:45
apacheloggeric19:45
BarkingFishjob done yofel - rewrote the swap and plonked the new UUID in fstab, hopefully I shouldn't have anymore problems :P19:46
yofelshadeslayer: write a kubuntu manual while you're at it :P19:47
shadeslayeryofel: hah! I wish i had time19:47
valorieDarkwing: is on that19:47
shadeslayerwe're here from 9 AM till 10 PM19:47
shadeslayerheck, all our food comes to us and we keep hacking :P19:48
* shadeslayer caffinates a bit19:48
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ForgeAushmmm how come no rott-data?20:04
yofelForgeAus: this isn't a support channel, and the folks in #ubuntu-motu would probably know more about that package20:08
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Daskreechwhat's the binary for muon update manager?22:48
BarkingFishhello again :)  Can someone remind me where the daily PPA is for kubuntu please?22:49
yofelBarkingFish: daily for what?22:50
BarkingFishthe daily updates and things, the stuff you build daily to go out22:51
yofelif you mean the daily builds of KDE, that's project-neon in ppa:neon22:51
BarkingFishnope, not the kde one.22:52
BarkingFishThere was one ppa I had enabled under natty, danged if I can remember what it was though.22:52
yofeldo you mean the updates or backports?22:53
BarkingFishupdates22:53
yofelppa:kubuntu-ppa22:53
BarkingFishthanks yofel :)22:53
BarkingFishI was looking for the updated version of kdenlive which had to be rebuilt, i think it couldn't find the sdl module or something.22:55
BarkingFishi saw it got rebuilt about a day ago22:55
BarkingFishyup, that got it :) It's working now.22:56
BarkingFishor at least, i thought it was. Now the GUI isn't appearing after you set it up :(22:58
DaskreechWhen does the kernel stop using eth0 names?22:58
yofelBarkingFish: works here..22:59
BarkingFishhm22:59
BarkingFishI think I'm gonna replace my computer at some point in the next week or so.  I know this isn't pebkac, I'm only doing what everyone else does :)22:59
BarkingFishClearly this pos thing which passes for a PC is past its prime and looking for a trip to a council landfill :P23:00
Riddellelectronics should not go to landfill23:03
BarkingFishwell I'll send it wherever it should get sent then, I believe my local council have a WEEE registered depot that will deal with it23:04
BarkingFishI don't understand why only my PC has these issues, and when I ask others, the progs are working fine :)  It's happened with 5 things since I upgraded to Oneiric...23:05
BarkingFishOthers I have asked say there isn't a problem, when I try it, stuff seems to go feet up.23:05

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