[00:50] <rbelem> Quintasan, :-D
[02:04] <Daskreech> hello can someone give some pointers to Linkmaster in #kubuntu ?
[02:05] <Daskreech> He can't see his school network with iwlist and just wants debugging tips
[02:05] <Daskreech> I've no idea since I've never used Wifi 
[07:21] <Tm_T> don't know if this kde or kubuntu bug, but plasma crash when trying to change colours https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=284331
[08:28] <ghostcube> debfx: after shutting down manually one time yesterday, the commandline inside systemsettings seem to do the job it powered off last night, but dont ask me why
[08:45] <jtr__> hello 
[08:45] <jtr__> kopete crashed, i tried to report it via the bug wizard ( which i think uses dr.konqi to find suitable debug packages) - i 'ok'ed everything till it failed to authenticate
[08:45] <jtr__> and this happens everytime !
[08:45] <jtr__> can someone tell what i should do?
[08:55] <Riddell> hmm, that might be due to no packagekit installed
[08:55] <Riddell> try installing apper
[09:20] <apachelogger> nah
[09:20] <apachelogger> Riddell: dbginstaller uses libqapt
[09:20] <apachelogger> more likely a polkit problem if it failed to auth
[09:33] <jtr__> Riddell: i have apper
[09:33] <jtr__> apachelogger: do you have a solution ? i dont know what polkit is
[09:33] <apachelogger> not really
[09:33] <Riddell> is it trying to install packages when it fails to authenticate?
[09:33] <apachelogger> polkit is the thing that asks you to authenticate
[09:34] <jtr__> yes
[09:34] <jtr__> Riddell: yes
[09:34] <jtr__> apachelogger: seemingly it never asks 
[09:35] <apachelogger> oh
[09:35] <apachelogger> that is weird
[09:35] <apachelogger> jtr__: is polkit-kde-authentication-agent running?
[09:35] <jtr__> apachelogger: how can i check?
[09:35] <jtr__> apachelogger: pardon me , i dont know too much
[09:35] <apachelogger> press ctrl+esc
[09:35] <apachelogger> search for polki
[09:35] <apachelogger> ehm
[09:35] <apachelogger> polkit
[09:35] <apachelogger> obviously :)
[09:36] <jtr__> apachelogger: polkitd running
[09:36] <jtr__> apachelogger: thats it
[09:36] <apachelogger> oh, that is funny
[09:36] <apachelogger> jtr__: are you running gnome?
[09:36] <jtr__> apachelogger: no kde
[09:36] <apachelogger> jtr__: or did you install ubuntu and then install kubuntu-desktop on top of that?
[09:36] <jtr__> apachelogger: yes
[09:36] <apachelogger> ah, ok, there is a bug with that
[09:36] <jtr__> apachelogger: i see
[09:37] <jtr__> apachelogger: many other weird things , when i slide desktops in kde particularly the 1st two in the row ( horizontal movement) , i see the old classical unity like look behind it sometimes
[09:37] <apachelogger> jtr__: what is the output of `dpkg -s polkit-kde-1 |grep install` on a terminal?
[09:38] <apachelogger> ohhhh, is uniy running?
[09:38] <jtr__> no no
[09:38] <jtr__> i dont think so
[09:38] <apachelogger> well
[09:38] <jtr__> i upgraded to gnome3 long ago
[09:38] <apachelogger> ctrl+esc and check :)
[09:38] <jtr__> i guess it breaks unity
[09:38] <jtr__> or so i've heard
[09:39] <apachelogger> it should not
[09:39] <jtr__> no unity not running
[09:39] <apachelogger> ok, weird then
[09:39] <apachelogger> anyhow, what is the output of the dpkg command?
[09:39] <jtr__> not installed , no info available .
[09:39] <jtr__> should i apt-get it?>
[09:39] <apachelogger> yes
[09:39] <apachelogger> then logout and back in again
[09:40] <apachelogger> that should fix auth
[09:43] <jtr__> ok, what i was actually doing and got me irritated that i had to fix this was  ---> i wanted to report a bug after kopete crashed and the dr.konqi debug symbols required the auth
[09:43] <jtr__> otherwise i would always sudo the process in terminal ;)
[09:44] <jtr__> let me check if it worked
[09:44] <jtr__> btw, is it possible to crash kopete again :P
[09:44] <jtr__> wow! it did crash again :lol:
[09:45] <jtr__> apachelogger: didnt work
[09:45] <jtr__> apachelogger: still the same message...do i need to restart the desktop env?
[09:45] <jtr__> apachelogger: brb
[09:48] <jtr__> apachelogger: its the Qapt batch installer giving the auth error
[10:38] <Riddell> fregl: what's this about accessibility crashes?
[10:39] <fregl> Riddell: I wonder too... I get crashes in the qt-at-spi bridge when loggin in. doesn't feel good. maybe there's not to many people having the qt-at-spi package installed when running kubunt ?
[10:40] <fregl> on crash is nepomuk on startup in a XInternAtom call...
[10:40] <fregl> it's my code, that's the scary part :(
[10:40] <Riddell> qt-at-spi isn't installed by default
[10:41] <fregl> Riddell: yes. but it's a dep of ubuntu-desktop...
[10:41] <Riddell> uh huh
[10:42] <Riddell> I didn't expect that
[10:42] <fregl> it seems to work ok for unity-2d but I see big problems coming when mixing with kde apps
[10:42] <Riddell> why is that?
[10:42] <fregl> and I wish you could update to the newer version of the bridge, but that depends on qt 4.8
[10:43] <fregl> I don't know, there are bugs in qt 4.7 and lots of fixes in the bridge after that...
[10:43] <fregl> Riddell: are you back on kubuntu?
[10:43] <fregl> anyway, install the package and see what happens...
[10:44] <fregl> some apps will randomly crash :(
[10:44] <Riddell> I'm working on bzr this week, back on kubuntu next week
[10:45] <fregl> nice
[10:49] <fregl> what is responsible for setting the QT_ACCESSIBILTY env var in Kubuntu now? if it doesn't get set, nothing happens. but for the kaccessible app that is included now, it's set
[10:52] <Riddell> I don't have it set
[10:53] <Riddell> maybe it's done in the qt-at-spi package
[10:53] <Riddell> hmm, don't see anything in there
[10:53]  * fregl neither
[10:53] <Riddell> didrocks: do you know?
[10:53] <fregl> maybe it comes from unity 2d somehow ???
[10:54]  * fregl used to have it  in his bashrc to test all apps with accessibility enabled.. but took it out from there
[10:55] <fregl> Riddell: what about kaccessible from kdeaccessibility - that needs it as well when activating the screenreader?
[10:56] <fregl> nope, I don't see it
[10:58] <didrocks> Riddell: qt-at-spi doesn't do it.  I just know TheMesu is doing it in gnome-control-center when then accessibility is set to on. I think you have the some kde thing (ui to set it?)
[10:58] <didrocks> TheMuso*
[11:06] <fregl> Riddell: didrocks: just found out from TheMuso: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90qt-a11y
[11:06] <fregl> from at-spi2-core
[11:07] <fregl> and it checks for the gnome setting to be active, so it should not affect many users
[11:09] <didrocks> fregl: urgh, seems wrong to me, it checks then if the $dm user has accessibility on
[11:17] <Riddell> didrocks: that gets run before login?
[11:18] <fregl> didrocks: that sounds weird indeed. and the dm doesn't know about which user is going to log in... if I understand correctly
[11:18] <fregl> when does the Xsession.d stuff get run?
[11:18] <didrocks> Riddell: I'm not there if it specified for $dm, I know that lighdm and gdm log in before and change the current user before sourcing them, but don't know for other dms
[11:19] <didrocks> fregl: ^ 
[11:19] <didrocks> if the dm log in before, gsettings will take the current user
[11:19] <fregl> didrocks: ok, I am running lightdm atm because it replaced my kdm without asking me during the update
[11:20] <fregl> I wanted to switch back, but didn't get around to it yet
[11:20] <fregl> especially since now I can't shut down from a kde session any more, just log out
[11:20] <fregl> the kaccessible stuff that comes with KDE 4.7 also depends on the QT_ACCESSIBILITY variable to be set btw, I still don't see how that would happen
[11:21] <didrocks> fregl: urgh, yeah, that's not good, just reconfigure the kdm package, should work
[11:21] <fregl> there is nothing in the kdeaccessibility-4.7.2 source as far as I can see
[11:21] <fregl> didrocks: thanks
[11:21] <fregl> saves me googling :)
[11:21] <Riddell> I don't think QT_ACCESSIBILITY gets set by kaccessible, if you want it you just set it manually
[11:22] <fregl> Riddell: do  you get a system tray icon by default? I have it showing up and giving me a checkbox to enable the screenreader that seb sauer wrote
[11:24] <Riddell> there's no kaccessible system tray icon by default
[11:24] <Riddell> presumably you have it because you have QT_ACCESSIBILITY set
[11:25] <Riddell> should we change /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90qt-a11y to not set QT_ACCESSIBILITY if KDE_FULL_SESSION is set?
[11:28] <fregl> Riddell: I don't know. at least that's a temporary fix.
[11:29] <fregl> I just tried kdm and it set the var also, so no change there.
[11:29] <Riddell> fregl: do you want to try a if KDE_FULL_SESSION != true as well?
[11:29] <Riddell> or whatever the bash is for that
[11:30] <fregl> Riddell: I can try. I'll first try disabling a11y in gnome-control-center now... logging out and in is fun
[11:34] <fregl> I have it set still... maybe I should try to understand the xsession script
[11:35] <fregl> it still returns true, I wonder what sets this var org.gnome.desktop.interface toolkit-accessibility
[11:37] <Riddell> well it'll be the gnome accessibility config tool no?
[11:40] <fregl> not the one in gnome-control-center afaict, is there a separate one?
[11:40] <fregl> but setting that gconf setting to false fixes the crashing
[11:40] <fregl> and it also hides the kaccessible tray icon
[11:44] <Riddell> fregl: well I expected all that :)
[11:44] <fregl> yes, at least  you know what's going on :)
[11:45] <fregl> so maybe it makes sense to disable the seeting for kde sessions. it would be nicer to properly fix it, but short term it sounds reasonable.
[11:45] <Riddell> but you say there is no proper fix, that needs qt 4.8
[11:46] <fregl> yes, I suspect so. I don't know how many individual fixes could be backported. and adding more patches on top of your qt 4.7 doesn't sound all that great
[12:11] <Riddell> hmm well we can't use KDE_FULL_SESSION
[12:11] <Riddell> I wonder how else to decide if it's Plasma or not
[13:38] <CIA-130> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/libkdeedu] Philip Muškovac * 16 * debian/ (changelog control) libkdeedu-data should be Arch all.
[13:42] <jonnypnkeyes>  is this the right placed to ask about problems with 11.10?
[13:46] <jonnypnkeyes> screw it. ill ust do a fresh install
[14:45] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[14:46] <_Groo_> anyone here with nvidia proprietary driver, oneiric and vlc?
[14:47] <yofel> a) and b) yes - c) can try
[14:48] <_Groo_> hi yofel :D
[14:49] <_Groo_> yofel: just enable the gpu acceleration.. it should crash vlc in oneiric... aparently its a vaapi bug + latest libc
[14:49] <_Groo_> btw you need to install the vaapi vdpau package 
[14:49] <_Groo_> was working fine in natty
[14:52] <yofel> _Groo_: what package name? can't find it
[14:52] <_Groo_> yofel: vdpau-va-driver
[14:52] <_Groo_> yofel: also install vainfo package.. that way you can run vainfo and see if the vaapi is working fine
[15:32] <Quintasan> greetings from the transformer
[15:33] <Quintasan> hmmm
[15:34] <Quintasan> this works pretty nicely provided you dont write too fast
[15:34] <_Groo_> Quintasan: hey hey
[15:34] <_Groo_> Quintasan: do you have a nvidia card?
[15:34] <Quintasan> Yes, I do
[15:34] <Quintasan> I will test it when I am done with my homework
[15:35] <_Groo_> can you test vlc with vaapi vdpau extension? its fast and its crashing in libc for some perfectly good h264 movies that it didnt in natty
[15:35] <Quintasan> Homework comes first my friend
[15:35] <_Groo_> yofel already did some testing, but his short on 1080p movies :
[15:35] <_Groo_> :D
[15:35] <_Groo_> he is*
[15:36] <Quintasan> oh I have plenty of these
[15:37] <Quintasan> Well then, off to homework
[15:38] <_Groo_> Quintasan: ok, after you are done with that, open vlc, go the input and codec, enable gpu accel... youll need to install vdpau-va-driver and vainfo, run vainfo to see if everything is working fine..
[15:39] <_Groo_> Quintasan: then open a bunch of 1080p h264 movies.. if you are lucky you should crash vlc 1.11.x, 1.2.x wih a glibc beautiful crash
[15:39] <Quintasan> Okay
[15:46] <_Groo_> anyone experiencing this? kde 4.7.2 in oneiric doesnt save the windows positions and sizes after closing the app
[16:14] <Darkwing> _Groo_: No issues here.
[16:15] <_Groo_> Darkwing: strange indeed.. tks anyway
[16:50] <_Groo_> apachelogger: ping
[16:50] <apachelogger> pong
[16:50] <_Groo_> apachelogger: see #Phonon pls :)
[16:50] <_Groo_> apachelogger: cant compile damn phonon-vlc
[16:51] <_Groo_> apachelogger: it doesnt find phonon-config.cmake
[16:51] <apachelogger> fix yer path then
[16:51] <_Groo_> apachelogger: explain
[16:52] <_Groo_> apachelogger: already installed libphonon-dev and experimental-dev
[16:52] <_Groo_> apachelogger: what else is missing?
[16:54] <yofel> _Groo_: you are using phonon from git are you?
[16:55] <_Groo_> yofel: nope... just got the answer from Rdieter
[16:55] <_Groo_> cloning now
[16:56] <_Groo_> i upgraded to vlc 1.2 daily
[16:56] <_Groo_> which broke phonon from 4.7.2
[16:56] <_Groo_> so..
[17:01] <apachelogger> you need phonon git
[17:01] <apachelogger> or you no can build stuff
[18:00] <claydoh> A number of nice reports concerning oneiric upgrades in kubuntuforums since release :)
[18:01] <claydoh> and not as many kmail2 horror stories as I had anticipated
[18:02] <claydoh> But that begs the question of how many people *don't* use Kontact
[18:02] <ForgeAus> :) its a ppa thing I think
[18:02] <ForgeAus> normal servers ok?
[18:03] <claydoh> ForgeAus: wrong channel? :D
[18:04] <apachelogger> well
[18:04] <ForgeAus> is it?
[18:04] <ForgeAus> I was replying to something you said
[18:05] <apachelogger> in lights of kontact stuff and rekonq still being less than stable, I believe we should rethink our values at some point
[18:05] <ForgeAus> kontact and kmail in oneric are mostly ok aren't they? its the ppa one that is messed up from what I can tell... 
[18:06] <claydoh> ForgeAus: I though ti was in re to comments in #kubuntu
[18:06] <claydoh> ForgeAus: no, the issues are with the version in 11.10
[18:07] <ForgeAus> in #Kubuntu? I think he thinks thats a plasma problem seems to me more an X11 one
[18:07] <ForgeAus> I could be wrong but that has nothing to do with kmail, kontact or a ppa afaik
[18:07] <claydoh> apachelogger: I kinda agree, but I still prefer to have as many KDE specific things as we can,  but there are no alternatives, though
[18:08] <claydoh> ForgeAus: my bad, I just didn't see the connection to my statements is all :)
[18:08] <ForgeAus> claydoh: its ok
[18:08] <ForgeAus> konqueror?
[18:08] <claydoh> as the migration to kmail2 is broken , and other bugs and annoyances and complications
[18:09] <claydoh> ForgeAus:  ugh :) more website incompatibilities, though more stable
[18:10] <ForgeAus> claydoh, well you could go back to arora wasn't it? ... not as far to fall... 
[18:11] <claydoh> chromium imo
[18:11] <ForgeAus> yeah thats another choice
[18:11] <ForgeAus> is chromium webkit though?
[18:12] <claydoh> but  with some better theming if possible
[18:12] <ForgeAus> khrome? lol
[18:14] <claydoh> or rather chrome, its Qt, right? chromium building seems to dep on gtk
[18:14] <claydoh> if we pick and choose what all the other kids are using to build their distros, what separates us from them?
[18:15] <ForgeAus> chromium is the engine isn't it? I think both are GTK dependant
[18:15] <ForgeAus> either way I highly doubt Chrome is Qt-based
[18:15] <claydoh> or stick  with rekonq, keep it updated, and offer a browser installer that offers more than firefox? that might be nice
[18:18] <ForgeAus> the installer still keeps firefox's basic ubuntu homepage, and lots of other ubuntu stuff anyway... 
[18:18] <claydoh> well  messes up one good idea :)
[18:19] <ForgeAus> apparently theres something slow about QT for browsers
[18:19] <ForgeAus> an article mentioned Opera dropped Qt and become faster than Chrome (not sure about when that was)
[18:21] <apachelogger> right
[18:21] <apachelogger> that is why the n9 has the fastest browser made entirely with Qt
[18:21] <claydoh> apachelogger: port it then :)
[18:21] <apachelogger> it aint floss
[18:21] <apachelogger> well, not yet anyway
[18:24] <claydoh> there are no good solutions that cover everything atm,  at least not to my feeble mind
[18:24] <apachelogger> claydoh: browserwise?
[18:24]  * apachelogger thinks that every browser is rubbish, just in different ways
[18:24] <claydoh> apachelogger: ya
[18:24] <claydoh> apachelogger: agreed
[18:25] <apachelogger> one is proprietary, one is slow, one is unstable, one hogs memory...
[18:25] <claydoh> so what is least rubbish?
[18:27] <apachelogger> kate
[18:27] <apachelogger> :P
[18:28] <ForgeAus> but kate isn't a web browser
[18:29] <apachelogger> exactly.
[18:29] <ForgeAus> I think he meant what browser is the least rubbish?
[18:30] <apachelogger> kate
[18:31]  * ForgeAus scratches his head
[18:32] <ForgeAus> chromium is floss right? you could use whatever you like of that code and put a Qt face on it? ... 
[18:34] <claydoh> ForgeAus hasn't figured out apachelogger 's mind yet :)
[18:34] <apachelogger> ForgeAus: that is what Qt browsers do
[18:35] <apachelogger> qtwebkit is webkit which is what drives chrome and the js interpreter used is also the same as used in chrome
[18:35] <apachelogger> in consequence all the important bits are cherry picked but except for the n9 browser none has managed to make it into a usable product yet
[18:46] <ForgeAus> back, and sorry I wasn't aware chrome was webkit-based too
[18:51]  * claydoh hearts quasseldroid, just saying for no resin in particular
[18:52] <claydoh> s/resin/reason
[19:03] <ForgeAus> lol quassel isn't my thang I'm afraid
[19:03] <ForgeAus> I'm more a konversation - alist
[19:03] <ForgeAus> quassel gives me that x-chat feeling all over again... oddly enough
[19:05]  * yofel uses it for it's core/client part - and because he isn't really an irssi fan
[19:05] <claydoh> M
[19:06] <ForgeAus> yeah ther core/client thing is interesting ... I just don't find that I need it thats all :)
[19:06] <ForgeAus> and yes well that s far from x-chat like that particular respect...
[19:06]  * claydoh agrees with yofel, used it for the same reasons
[19:08]  * claydoh is still learning how to use Swype, maybe should use voice commands instead
[19:37] <BarkingFish> Evening guys :)
[19:37] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: any ideas if I have to root my transformer to put Ubuntu on it? the forum post doesn't really say anything
[19:38] <shadeslayer> And when I boot the device into recovery, I get a exclamamtion mark and it doesn't get detected over USB
[19:38] <BarkingFish> Quick question for you, since it seems I may be looking for something which doesn't exist - I just tried to fsck a swap partition, and there's no fsck.swap - should there be one in the 3.0.0-12 kernel?
[19:39] <yofel> BarkingFish: what point is there in fsck-ing swap?
[19:41] <BarkingFish> I don't know - maybe the same as there is with checking any other partition which goes feet up and stops your machine dead? :P
[19:41] <yofel> even if there is such a thing, I've never seen swap having fsck enabled in fstab so far
[19:41] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: maybe
[19:41] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: how am I supposed to know? :P
[19:41] <apachelogger> talk to Quintasan
[19:41] <apachelogger> figure it out
[19:41] <shadeslayer> heh, yeah
[19:41]  * apachelogger won't be around forever :P
[19:41] <shadeslayer> Quintasan is busy till thursday i think
[19:42] <BarkingFish> I got a whole shedload of DMA write errors which flooded VT1, and stopped my kdm dead, disrupting the display.
[19:42] <BarkingFish> I wanted to find out whether the partition was knackered :)
[19:42]  * valorie {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} apachelogger
[19:42]  * apachelogger feels hugged
[19:43] <yofel> well, worst case just mkswap the swap partition and fix the UUID in fstab, but DMA is memory access, not swap
[19:43]  * shadeslayer gives a cookie to apachelogger
[19:43]  * apachelogger {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} valorie
[19:43]  * valorie {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} apachelogger
[19:43] <valorie> UBER HUG TIME
[19:43] <yofel> kubotu: order cookies for apachelogger and valorie
[19:43]  * kubotu slides a whole bunch of world's finest cookies down the bar to apachelogger and valorie.
[19:43] <BarkingFish> yofel, I think I'll do that then, just reset the swap partition and put the new UUID in.
[19:44] <valorie> booki is not fun
[19:44] <shadeslayer> ^^ agreed
[19:44]  * apachelogger {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} yofel and shadeslayer
[19:44] <shadeslayer> Probably because it's in pyth0rn
[19:44] <apachelogger> what is a booki?
[19:45] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: It's a tool to make books
[19:45] <shadeslayer> and we're writing a beginners guide to KDE at the Doc Sprint
[19:45] <apachelogger> ic
[19:46] <BarkingFish> job done yofel - rewrote the swap and plonked the new UUID in fstab, hopefully I shouldn't have anymore problems :P
[19:47] <yofel> shadeslayer: write a kubuntu manual while you're at it :P
[19:47] <shadeslayer> yofel: hah! I wish i had time
[19:47] <valorie> Darkwing: is on that
[19:47] <shadeslayer> we're here from 9 AM till 10 PM
[19:48] <shadeslayer> heck, all our food comes to us and we keep hacking :P
[19:48]  * shadeslayer caffinates a bit
[20:04] <ForgeAus> hmmm how come no rott-data?
[20:08] <yofel> ForgeAus: this isn't a support channel, and the folks in #ubuntu-motu would probably know more about that package
[22:48] <Daskreech> what's the binary for muon update manager?
[22:49] <BarkingFish> hello again :)  Can someone remind me where the daily PPA is for kubuntu please?
[22:50] <yofel> BarkingFish: daily for what?
[22:51] <BarkingFish> the daily updates and things, the stuff you build daily to go out
[22:51] <yofel> if you mean the daily builds of KDE, that's project-neon in ppa:neon
[22:52] <BarkingFish> nope, not the kde one.
[22:52] <BarkingFish> There was one ppa I had enabled under natty, danged if I can remember what it was though.
[22:53] <yofel> do you mean the updates or backports?
[22:53] <BarkingFish> updates
[22:53] <yofel> ppa:kubuntu-ppa
[22:53] <BarkingFish> thanks yofel :)
[22:55] <BarkingFish> I was looking for the updated version of kdenlive which had to be rebuilt, i think it couldn't find the sdl module or something.
[22:55] <BarkingFish> i saw it got rebuilt about a day ago
[22:56] <BarkingFish> yup, that got it :) It's working now.
[22:58] <BarkingFish> or at least, i thought it was. Now the GUI isn't appearing after you set it up :(
[22:58] <Daskreech> When does the kernel stop using eth0 names?
[22:59] <yofel> BarkingFish: works here..
[22:59] <BarkingFish> hm
[22:59] <BarkingFish> I think I'm gonna replace my computer at some point in the next week or so.  I know this isn't pebkac, I'm only doing what everyone else does :)
[23:00] <BarkingFish> Clearly this pos thing which passes for a PC is past its prime and looking for a trip to a council landfill :P
[23:03] <Riddell> electronics should not go to landfill
[23:04] <BarkingFish> well I'll send it wherever it should get sent then, I believe my local council have a WEEE registered depot that will deal with it
[23:05] <BarkingFish> I don't understand why only my PC has these issues, and when I ask others, the progs are working fine :)  It's happened with 5 things since I upgraded to Oneiric...
[23:05] <BarkingFish> Others I have asked say there isn't a problem, when I try it, stuff seems to go feet up.