[00:00] <shane2peru> any ideas???  http://kubuntu.pastebin.ca/2090931   nvidia drivers failed to install
[00:00] <shane2peru> used the additional drivers thing to install them
[00:00] <Linkmaster> Hey guys, my kubuntu computer is not picking up my school wireless network. It was working just fine 5 hours ago at my house, and I haven't done anything to the system that would have changed this. I try "sudo iwlist eth1 scan essid HMA", which is what I've always used in the past to pick up the network when it was being spotty, but now it says 'no results'. I'm using my other computer in the exact same spot, and its connection is great(60%)
[00:00] <Linkmaster> any ideas what to do here?
[00:00] <shane2peru> brb, gotta reboot
[00:01] <phiscibe> wit
[00:01] <phiscibe> wait
[00:01] <Linkmaster> Hey guys, my kubuntu computer is not picking up my school wireless network. It was working just fine 5 hours ago at my house, and I haven't done anything to the system that would have changed this. I try "sudo iwlist eth1 scan essid HMA", which is what I've always used in the past to pick up the network when it was being spotty, but now it says 'no results'. I'm using my other computer in the exact same spot, and its connection is great(60%)
[00:01] <Linkmaster> any ideas what to do here?
[00:01] <phiscibe> shane install  module nvidia_current and try the nvidia install again
[00:02] <phiscibe> Linkmaster: start here  module nvidia_current
[00:02] <phiscibe> gather yoru fortitude, its ugly this time
[00:02] <phiscibe> sorry i miss pasted
[00:02] <phiscibe> As reported by: http://uksysadmin.wordpress.com/2011/10/14/upgrade-to-ubuntu-11-10-problem-waiting-for-network-configuration-then-black-screen-solution/
[00:02] <Linkmaster> I don't use nvidia, its broadcom/intel all the way down
[00:03] <Linkmaster> and I'm also using 11.04
[00:03] <phiscibe> i meant that for shane2
[00:03] <Linkmaster> ah, okay
[00:03] <phiscibe> but if that one isnt addressed first u cant go anywhere
[00:03] <archcraft> massive problem i installed kubuntu and told it to download updates while installing and all that but the font is EXTREAMLY tiny when it booted for the first time
[00:05] <phiscibe> god u got off easy archcraft
[00:05] <archcraft> that doesn't help my problem
[00:06] <phiscibe> there are 1000's if not 10's of thousands of bugs this time, sorry if im flip im bured out i so wanted all this to work
[00:06] <archcraft> i guess all i can run is ubuntu :-( sucks cause i hate unity
[00:06] <phiscibe> the bug storm is everywhere some nasty ones have propregated through all major distors
[00:06] <archcraft> so i guess windows is the only solution lol
[00:07] <phiscibe> careful, they burn heretics in these parts
[00:07] <archcraft> how can they if their distro sucks
[00:07] <phiscibe> kill the messanger types
[00:07] <archcraft> i hate windows too but you cant beat the idea it works
[00:08] <phiscibe> well if we go with your idea, it would be correc to say linux sucks, but mainly because of the code base going to peices, but maybe a good crisis is what is needed
[00:08] <phiscibe> yes windows is stationary, not a moving target like linux
[00:09] <jamil_1> who dares to say linux suck!
[00:09] <phiscibe> again they dont like truth speak, we are talking about the computing world and what is going in in realtion to the distro we are using which is probably kunbutu as we are here, but say Windows and some of these ppl drop a load, and get their torchs
[00:10] <phiscibe>  see hehe
[00:10] <phiscibe> they will scream off topic off  topic (code for burn the heritic)
[00:10] <archcraft> well if the distros can't install then yes linux has a major problem
[00:11] <jamil_1> I wonder what sort of testing is done by cannonical etc before each release
[00:11] <jamil_1> I hope they know about TDD
[00:12] <phiscibe> the flash bug....This bug affects 3009 people. Does this bug affect you
[00:12] <phiscibe> one bug, just ubuntu and the family
[00:12] <jamil_1> phiscibe: what bug ?
[00:12] <archcraft> well i can't even see anything on my screen without a magnifying glass so yeah flash is down on my ist of problems
[00:12] <phiscibe> the flash plug in if left running say like hula or youtube eventualy eats all ram and segvaults, bricks system
[00:12] <phiscibe> well not brick freeze
[00:13] <phiscibe> think it is just firefox and maybe chrome, not sure
[00:13] <phiscibe> mozila maybe
[00:13] <jamil_1> phiscibe: havent seen such thing yet
[00:13] <jamil_1> phiscibe: I am playing a video in chrome right now
[00:13] <phiscibe> have to leave a flash player running
[00:13] <phiscibe> it plays ok
[00:14] <jamil_1> its eating 1.4% mem and 20% cpu
[00:14] <phiscibe> ive been running you tube awhile and i think its not efffecting me now but it was
[00:14] <jamil_1> phiscibe: yes, its playing fine
[00:14] <shane2peru> ok, can't seem to install nvidia drivers??
[00:14] <jamil_1> phiscibe: for how long ?
[00:15] <archcraft> ok the font size is fixed darn nvidia driver
[00:15] <phiscibe> i think installing ibus and manualy adding folders, then setting default locals fixed it here, but its maybe 2 hours left open but i got 5 gb ram so less for lots
[00:15] <jamil_1> phiscibe: mostly I have listened to music on youtube, only 4-5 mins videos
[00:16] <shane2peru> also seems I have 89 packages not upgraded, no GUI update manager, and apt-get upgrade, doesn't do it???
[00:16] <phiscibe> shane2peru:   look in the package manager amd see it nvidia-common is installed
[00:16] <Daskreech> phiscibe: The reason people say offtopic is because you end up masking people who need help
[00:17] <jamil_1> phiscibe:  though I have observed kwin and Xorg eat up ur CPU time very quickly
[00:17] <Daskreech> If you want to rant for hundreds of lines then an offtopic would be fine
[00:17] <phiscibe> well shane2peru until somebody in the developer world has an epithamy and find the rooot cause(s) your gonna have problems
[00:17] <Daskreech> If you want to help then a devel channel would be fine as well
[00:18] <phiscibe> so they will run me out, one who has answered 4-5-6 dozen pleas for help since the 11.10 release out, for steeping back and telling every body have alook around
[00:19] <phiscibe> rethink it all
[00:19] <shane2peru> Daskreech: apt-get dist-upgrade?  that seems to offer a lot of upgrade
[00:19] <shane2peru> upgrades
[00:19] <Daskreech> phiscibe: That's fine but work still needs to be done. Take one problem and fix it
[00:20] <Daskreech> shane2peru: probably would. Fixes tend to come shortly after release
[00:20] <phiscibe> im try dude, but i sometimes would like to be rude and insult your mamma up front instead of in the middle cause then we can get over it and talk about computing
[00:20] <archcraft> well no audio since the i have every HDMI profile EXCEPT 2 channel which is the only one that iwll work
[00:20] <phiscibe> do you have a mix of analog and digital cablin garch
[00:21] <phiscibe> archcraft:  i meant
[00:21] <phiscibe> cabling
[00:21] <Daskreech> Great :-) we get that there are problems. Across most of the stack. X is moutning issue but you can't break the whole world to fix it
[00:21] <phiscibe> i got to change keyboards
[00:21] <archcraft> nope disabled the onboard audio card as well i only have an hdmi cable going to computer
[00:22] <archcraft> ubuntu has a 2 channel profile and this one has everything except 2 channel makes no sense
[00:22] <archcraft> i gotta figure out how to get HDMI nr 2 output
[00:22] <phiscibe> Daskreech: i agree fix can shortly follow, but ive been looking this hard, ive been burning midnigh oil, the bugs have been ongoing slowly overlook for months just pilling on top of another
[00:22] <phiscibe> it seems diffrent now , critical mass
[00:23] <Daskreech> phiscibe: yep consequence of more people using and less people wanting to work on stuff that is harder than a 4 liner
[00:23] <phiscibe> it calls for a new model is what i feel and who wants to here that
[00:24] <phiscibe> and i am biased as a user, which is also part of the problem
[00:24] <Daskreech> phiscibe: a model of operating system?
[00:24] <Linkmaster> so, I take it back, this computer has spotty connection as well, but I think I fixed it. any advice on my kubuntu computer(the one I mainly use) though?
[00:24] <archcraft> lol i think its just people are getting tired of linux i mean they are going to things like mac and windows that just works out of the box
[00:24] <phiscibe> a model of all of it  out of the box thinking
[00:24] <Daskreech> phiscibe: Want to jump to offtopic?
[00:24] <phiscibe> like that
[00:25] <phiscibe> why does every body freak about off topic when we ar e talking so on topic it is spiritual
[00:25] <phiscibe> thats in the box
[00:25] <Daskreech> phiscibe: Cause this is a support channel
[00:25] <phiscibe> YES
[00:25] <Daskreech> Discussions otherwise can happen in offtopic
[00:25] <phiscibe> transparecy seems to be a forieng thought
[00:25] <Daskreech> how is it not transparent?
[00:26] <Daskreech> offtopic is a more open channel than this one is
[00:26] <Daskreech> That's the point of it
[00:26] <phiscibe> because you wanna go to a room and discuus solutions when the best thing to give the MOST support is to talk in the open get everybody aware
[00:27] <Daskreech> You are talking in a room right now
[00:27] <phiscibe> optimize support channel, optimize information sharing, talk disucss collaobrate dont seperate the users like blocks of cde
[00:27] <phiscibe> code
[00:27] <Daskreech> You are doing the exact same thing
[00:27] <phiscibe> but we can go over there im eaching a pesonailty disoder moment were is the chan
[00:28] <Daskreech> #kubuntu-offtopic
[00:28] <phiscibe> at least i have passion, stiffling passion isnte the answer , remember when computers wher fun
[00:28] <Linkmaster> should I state my problem again? not wanting to press, but my computer needs to be working =P
[00:28] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: please do
[00:30] <Linkmaster> It won't pick up the wireless signal from my school. I've tried 'sudo iwlist eth1 scan essid HMA" which is what I always used before, when it was being spotty. I find it strange, since I was using the computer earlier today at my house without problems, so I know that the card works and all that. I'm using 11.04, and haven't done any system configuration(that I'm aware of) that would change this. Where should I start the troubleshooting proc
[00:30] <Linkmaster> to get it fixed?
[00:30] <Linkmaster> The computer is broadcom/intel all the way down, so they are all 'generic' parts
[00:30] <Daskreech> I presume the interface starts up fine
[00:31] <Daskreech> Oh what version of NM are you running?
[00:34] <Daskreech> Is it a hidden essid ?
[00:36] <Linkmaster> The most recent I presume, whichever version comes with KDE4.7.1
[00:36] <Linkmaster> ^requote
[00:40] <Daskreech> Guest52488: could you check please? :)
[00:51] <FloodBotK2> !netsplit
[00:51] <artur_> hello!
[00:51] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[00:52] <artur_> just installed kubuntu 11.10 - problems copying files from laptop to a USB flash. any clues?
[00:52] <jamil_1> artur_: some error or what ?
[00:53] <artur_> when i copy a file from the laptop off to a USB stick, the USB stick is empty even though it says "Copied OK"
[00:53] <artur_> what gives, I'm thinking?
[00:54] <artur_> is it a bug or what? i googled it, and it seems this issues has been around since at least 2008
[00:54] <jamil_1> artur_: hmm never had such problem
[00:54] <jamil_1> artur_: try copying from command line
[00:55] <jamil_1> artur_: you may not have write permissions on usb
[00:57] <artur_> jamil_1: the USB works perfectly under Win7
[00:57] <jamil_1> artur_: no, some time kubuntu messes things
[00:58] <artur_> too bad as I've just switched to Kubuntu from Ubuntu - cannot stand Unity/Gnome 3
[00:58] <artur_> jamil_1: thanks anyway. cheers
[00:59] <jamil_1> artur_: not that it will happen always or this IS the case now.
[01:01] <Hganavak> if I already have Ubuntu installed, can I change to Kubuntu easily? Or does it cause lots of problems?
[01:01] <Guest52488> Daskreech: ping
[01:02] <Daskreech> pong Guest52488
[01:02] <Linkmaster> Sorry, my nick was being a bum. what was the last thing you got before my network decided to boot me off?
[01:02] <Daskreech> Hganavak: install kubuntu-desktop
[01:02] <artur_> Hganaval: you can have KDE (Kubuntu) alongside Gnome (Ubuntu) with no problems
[01:03] <Hganavak> How different is it to installing kubuntu from scratch?
[01:04] <pauluntu_> i finally got hdmi audio working :D but i can honestly say kubuntu is not up to par with ubuntu its definantly showing features its behind on
[01:04] <Linkmaster> Hganavak: its really easy. Just install it, logout, and select which environment you want. SInce you have a *buntu installed, all the core elements are already on your system
[01:04] <Linkmaster> *install the kubuntu-desktop
[01:04] <Hganavak> Does it work identical to a clean kubuntu install then?
[01:05] <pauluntu_> why does opensuse use 400mb at idle and kubuntu >600
[01:05] <artur_> Guys sorry to impose myself, but once again - does anyone else have any issues copying files from desktop to a USB stick under Kubuntu? I have this problem and it worries me
[01:06] <pauluntu_> artur idk ill try one sec
[01:06] <artur_> Hgavanak: yes it's essentially identical
[01:06] <artur_> just install kubuntu-desktop and see for yourself. if you don't like you can always remove it
[01:06] <pauluntu_> no problems
[01:07] <artur_> pauluntu: sorry can you come again, i did not get what you said
[01:07] <Peaker> Why is almost unnoticeable contrast considered the epitome of aestethics?  The default Kubuntu theme makes active/inactive window titles just barely differentiable. The volume indicator light white vs. slightly less light white, why??
[01:08] <pauluntu_> i copied files from a usb to desktop no problems copied files from desktop to usb no problems and deleted files from usb no problems
[01:09] <artur_> pauluntu: glad for you. for me though, it does seem to be an issue. when i copy files to a USB stick the system says "copied OK" but then i don't see anything on the USB, it's empty
[01:09] <artur_> tried several times, to no avail
[01:09] <pauluntu_> have you tried rebooting sometimes when i have problems that fixes them
[01:09] <artur_> the USB is your regular USB, just like any other regular USB, formatted to FAT32.
[01:10] <pauluntu_> i think ubuntu well all the buntu's atm are having problems
[01:10] <pauluntu_> ah well mine is ext3 partitioned idk if that makes a difference
[01:11] <artur_> ah OK, that might be the issue. but then again, FAT32 being the de-facto standard FS for USB drives, shouldn't (K)Ubuntu be agnostic to it
[01:11] <Daskreech> Hganavak: Installing Kubuntu from scratch won't have the Ubuntu things installed
[01:13] <TheEvilPhoenix> artur_:  are you sure its FAT32?
[01:13] <TheEvilPhoenix> artur_:  what size USB stick/drive?
[01:13] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: sorry about my spotty connection
[01:14] <TheEvilPhoenix> artur_:  from my experience, most USB drives >= 2GB are NTFS
[01:14] <artur_> I'm sure otherwise it wouldn't work under Win7 - and it does work flawlessly. it's a 4 GB stick
[01:14] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: It's ok
[01:14] <TheEvilPhoenix> then i'll betcha its NTFS
[01:14] <artur_> TheEvilPhoenix: you know WHAT - you might just be right!
[01:14] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: what was the last you got from me?
[01:15] <artur_> I completely forgot the FAT32 limitation on 2 GB
[01:15] <TheEvilPhoenix> mhm
[01:15] <TheEvilPhoenix> most drives at 4GB and up are default NTFS
[01:15] <artur_> gonna check my USB as soon as I get to work today
[01:15] <artur_> OK, woof, that eases things then! thank you kindly
[01:15] <Daskreech> artur_: what's the problem?
[01:15] <TheEvilPhoenix> Daskreech:  i dont think he has the NTFS packages installed ;P
[01:16] <TheEvilPhoenix> artur_:  from what I could tell he was having issues using his USB drive
[01:16] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: install the kubuntu desktop
[01:16] <TheEvilPhoenix> er
[01:16] <TheEvilPhoenix> Daskreech:  ^
[01:16] <Daskreech> TheEvilPhoenix: He should they ship by default
[01:16] <TheEvilPhoenix> and was thinking it was FAT32
[01:16] <TheEvilPhoenix> Daskreech:  i've seen instances where it hasnt been installed by default :/
[01:16] <TheEvilPhoenix> rare, but i've seen them
[01:18] <artur_> TheEvilPhoenix: OK wait a sec - does it being NTFS change anything??? So OK it's NTFS, should it be a problem for Kubuntu to read this drive
[01:18] <Daskreech> artur_: It shouldn't change anything
[01:18] <artur_> ah, then I still have this issue to deal with
[01:18] <TheEvilPhoenix> unless either the packages for NTFS didnt get installed...
[01:18] <TheEvilPhoenix> or you have underlying hardware issues
[01:19] <artur_> "packages for NTFS" - can you elaborate here please?
[01:19] <TheEvilPhoenix> faulty stick perhaps
[01:19] <Daskreech> !ntfs
[01:19] <TheEvilPhoenix> ^
[01:21] <pauluntu_> why does kubuntu ship with terminal, xterm, and uxterm i mean its little things like that, that could help reduce bloatware
[01:22] <maco> xterm and uxterm are part of the base *buntu because they tend to work even when everything else goes to hell
[01:23] <pauluntu_> ok i got the audio setup although i dont see why kubuntu didn't work out of box like ubuntu did but how much ram do yall use while idleing mine is 600 something megs seems kinda high just for an os sitting there doing nothing
[01:24] <maco> http://www.linuxatemyram.com/
[01:27] <pauluntu_> free -m shows i have 3155mg free i have 4gb so thats even more been used than 600 like i though
[01:33] <pauluntu_> weird i have used wine for world of warcraft on several distros but this is the first one where its all choppy and i have the ppa version of wow
[01:43] <grade> hi guys
[01:43] <grade> would like to ask my 11.10 prob
[01:44] <grade> it seems my sound is not working after I upgrade to 11.10
[01:46] <shane2peru> ok, missing a few apps in the repos, acroread and kfilebox?  I'm searching the web, but if you know something always appreciate the input.
[01:46] <jmichaelx> shane2peru: what version of kubuntu are you using?
[01:47] <shane2peru> jmichaelx: just upgraded to 11.10 Oneric
[01:47] <shane2peru> oh, and Chrome, not to be confused with chromium
[01:47] <LINKSWORD2> Hey everybody, is there a way to FORCE a program to uninstall?
[01:48] <LINKSWORD2> 0
[01:48] <Peaker> when I change the volume, I get volume bars to appear -- but there's almost too little contrast to notice what the level is
[01:48]  * Linkmaster slashes wrists
[01:48] <jmichaelx> shane2peru: ok, because i think that adobe acrobat read was removed from the parter repo in natty.... am not sure how to install it now, but i imagibe the ubuntu forums would have an answer somewhere
[01:48] <shane2peru> LINKSWORD2: how did you install it??
[01:48] <Peaker> how do I change these colors? And why does KDE like low/undifferentiable-contrast so much?
[01:48] <jmichaelx> shane2peru: does okular not do everything that you need it to?
[01:48] <LINKSWORD2> Through KPackage Manager.
[01:48] <Linkmaster> lets hope my connection will stay for more then five minutes this time. Daskreech: I believe that the network manager(KDE default) is the most current, with KDE4.7.1
[01:48] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: Right but then it depends on NM 0.9
[01:49] <LINKSWORD2> However, when I attempt to uninstall it, I get an error that says I didn't provide the proper authentication. For which, I received no prompt.
[01:49] <shane2peru> jmichaelx: well, in the previous version, it had serious printing issues, and wouldn't print
[01:49] <Daskreech> Otherwise it gets a bit strange with hidden SSID (as I understand it)
[01:49] <jmichaelx> shane2peru: okular would not print?
[01:49] <shane2peru> jmichaelx: I can try it, acroread isn't a priority, just noted it on my list of stuff removed when I upgraded.
[01:49] <Peaker> what's the KDE gksu?
[01:49] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: Hmm...it was working three days ago, when I was here before the weekend, and I don't recall having any updates. Thats why I think its wierd
[01:49] <Daskreech> You are running it directly from the command line though so I don't think that it's the issue
[01:50] <Daskreech> Yeah
[01:50] <shane2peru> jmichaelx: no, not sure why, didn't have a whole lot of time to troubleshoot it, just installed acroread, but then again, I had printing issues.
[01:50] <Linkmaster> I don't have any ready access to ethernet either, which will make it tricky at best
[01:51] <jmichaelx> shane2peru: actually acrobat read 9 *is* in the partner repo.... do you have that repo enabled?
[01:52] <shane2peru> jmichaelx: well, I checked my software sources, but didn't see it listed, anywhere, let me doublecheck
[01:52] <jmichaelx> shane2peru: i'd encourage to try things again with okular... i generally prefer it, but acrobat reader 9 is available if you need it
[01:52] <shane2peru> jmichaelx: I will certainly try it, I do like okular in general.
[01:52] <LINKSWORD2> Sorry. I need to leave.
[01:53] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: how are you connected now?
[01:53] <shane2peru> jmichaelx: I do have Canonical Partners listed in my "Other Software" tab, and it is checked.
[01:53] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: using a different computer, which is newer and has the school OS on it(kioskedmode openSUSE)
[01:53] <Daskreech> nice :)
[01:54]  * jmichaelx is mad at yet another KDE bug.... difficulty settings in ksudoku do not work!!!
[01:54] <Daskreech> tell the admin congrats
[01:54] <Daskreech>  glad to hear people using kiosk
[01:54] <Linkmaster> nooo, I hate it I hate it
[01:54] <Linkmaster> Its worse then using winblows
[01:54] <jmichaelx> shane2peru: can you not 'sudo apt-get install acroread'?
[01:54] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: :-D it's great someone is using it though
[01:55] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: KDE 4.7 as well?
[01:55] <shane2peru> jmichaelx: actually I was checking out the nice shiny new Muon Software Center, I'm impressed, much like the Gnome Software center that I actually liked.
[01:55] <eyal> Muon doesn't seem to sudo itself properly
[01:55] <jmichaelx> shane2peru: ahhh.... i have to admit that i have only once taken a glance at muon, and have not ever used it yet
[01:56] <shane2peru> jmichaelx: apparently I enabled it after I fired up Muon Software Center (MSC) because in apt it is showing up.
[01:56] <jmichaelx> shane2peru: good deal
[01:56] <shane2peru> Muon is working fine here,
[01:56] <shane2peru> installing software, and selecting more to be installed, pretty slick.
[01:56] <eyal> Muon says "This operation cannot continue since proper authorization was not provided"
[01:56]  * jmichaelx is probably too stuck in his ways to ever switch to muon
[01:56] <eyal> on all operations
[01:57] <Linkmaster> Why is that so great to you? D: and I want internet back on my kubuntu machine, which is amazing.
[01:57] <shane2peru> ohhh, shiny notification in the Muon window when app is installed.
[01:58] <shane2peru> Linkmaster: wicd (been my network manager for some time)
[01:58] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: Because kiosk is a useful tool for things like Internet Cafes
[01:59] <Daskreech> You can connect from Kubuntu sometimes?
[01:59] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: nah, the openSUSE is gnome2. its barely efficient, and kiosk mode is useful for internet cafes, but not personal use.
[01:59] <Daskreech> Oh bleah
[01:59] <Daskreech> Boooo :)
[01:59] <Linkmaster> and I have personal fondness for knetworkmanager, never had an issue I couldn't fix. and I can't get it because of lack of ethernet
[02:00] <eyal> how do I get konversation to minimize to try when I close its window?
[02:00] <eyal> or when I minimize it?
[02:00] <grade> hi guys would like to ask my prob in alsa
[02:01] <grade> my sound is not working when I upgraded to 11.10
[02:01] <shane2peru> well, that was short lived, I broke Muon. :)
[02:01] <grade> is there any solution for this prob
[02:01] <jmichaelx> EyesIsServer: it is in the settings
[02:02] <jmichaelx> oops
[02:02] <Daskreech> eyal: should be an option for it I think
[02:02] <jmichaelx> eyal: it is in the settings.  Behavior>General>
[02:03] <mase_work> grade: probably but you haven't really given us much information to go on
[02:03] <eyal> jmichaelx: I enabled System Tray, but if I close konversation window, I think it quit the app entirely
[02:03] <jmichaelx> shane2peru: you BROKE muon?
[02:03] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: where should I begin the troubleshooting though?
[02:04] <jmichaelx> eyal: hmmm, that should not happen
[02:04] <mase_work> grade: can you see your sound card ? what information does alsamixer give you ?
[02:04] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: hmm well if iwlist doesn't list anything ...
[02:04] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: iwconfig works?
[02:04] <eyal> jmichaelx: maybe a crash then.. I'll try again
[02:04] <eyal> yeah, probably, didn't happen again
[02:04] <shane2peru> jmichaelx: well, it seemed to lock up, I finally got it closed, because I couldn't see it doing anything
[02:04] <jmichaelx> eyal: good deal
[02:04] <shane2peru> brb.
[02:04] <grade> mase_work: i see, I just upgraded my from 11.04 to 11.10 then rebooted and It said that my alsa is not working
[02:04] <eyal> so, how come the muon package manager/center both don't try to sudo their way into permissions, but just complain about permissions instead?
[02:05] <jmichaelx> shane2peru: like other package managers, it may have a few things to do after installing/removing things, before it can be shut down
[02:05] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: yep, just checked to make sure
[02:05] <grade> lspci
[02:05] <mase_work> grade: sure but that information doesn't help us. For example i upgraded my system and didn't get that, so it's not a generic issue.
[02:06] <mase_work> grade: a quick google for debugging sound problems ubuntu returned this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[02:06] <jmichaelx> wow, audio issues just keep pouring in
[02:06] <eyal> I found some mention of "polkit" which I installed but still muon does not try to sudo
[02:06] <grade> mase_work: so how can i see my sound card? and how can i used alsamixer?
[02:06] <jmichaelx> grade: do you have multiple audio devices?
[02:07] <grade> jmichaelx: just a built-in sound card
[02:07] <mase_work> grade: the link i sent you should answer your questions and provide you with a starting point\
[02:07] <grade> mase_work: ill chk your link first
[02:07] <jmichaelx> mase_work: can you pastebin for me the output of 'lspci | grep -i audio'?
[02:08] <grade> mase_work: thank you so much ill check it
[02:08] <mase_work> jmichaelx: wrong person i think
[02:08] <jmichaelx> oops (again)
[02:08] <mase_work> grade: there are some additional links down the bottom too
[02:08] <jmichaelx> grade:  can you pastebin for me the output of 'lspci | grep -i audio'?
[02:08] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: hmm Not .... sure ... I would say nm but I don't know what to run to test that from the command line
[02:08] <grade> 00:14.2 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA)
[02:09] <grade> that is the output
[02:09] <jmichaelx> grade: ok, the machine i am using right now has the same audio device
[02:09] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: I just checked 'ifconfig' and eth0 is up and broadcast w/ multicast, and eth1(my wireless) is up and broadcast w/ multicast, but my lo is up and loopback w/ running. whats that mean?
[02:09] <jmichaelx> grade: what do you see if you run 'alsamixer' in a terminal?
[02:10] <grade> jmichael: i see ill check the link first above
[02:10] <jmichaelx> grade: no problem
[02:10] <grade> jmichaelx: cannot open mixer: No such file or directory
[02:10] <jmichaelx> grade: hmm...
[02:10] <grade> jmichaelx: it seems i dont have alsamixer
[02:10] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: that things are working?
[02:11] <Linkmaster> okay, so nothing there is borked..
[02:11] <jmichaelx> grade: what version of kubuntu are you using, and was it a fresh install?
[02:11] <Daskreech> at least drivers are loaded :)
[02:11] <Daskreech> Right
[02:11] <grade> jmichaelx: im using 11.10, i upgrade my 11.04
[02:11] <Daskreech> THere is just the one wireless network?
[02:11] <Linkmaster> I rescanned, nothing came up. and yes, not complaining about drivers, it was all working before. This is an oddity, one I've never seen before...and yeah, just the one
[02:11] <grade> jmichaelx: its not a fresh install
[02:11] <jmichaelx> grade: i assume your audio was working correctly under 11.04?
[02:12] <grade> jmichaelx: yes it is working perfectly form 10.04 upto 11.04
[02:12] <grade> jmichaelx: this is my first time to have this alsa rpob
[02:12] <shane2peru> jmichaelx: it would be nice if somewhere it told me it was busy, I think I disliked that about the ubuntu software center too.
[02:13] <jmichaelx> grade: are you able to access the phonon settings? System Settings>Multimedia>Phonon
[02:13] <shane2peru> I'm assuming it is still working even though I can't see it, somthing is downloading a lot. :)
[02:13] <grade> jmichaelx: ok ill check it, for a while
[02:13] <jmichaelx> shane2peru: yea, i agree.... that sort of things can leave many people unsure about what (if anything) is going on
[02:14] <grade> jmichaelx: i could access phonon
[02:15] <shane2peru> jmichaelx: however it appears to be running fine in the background, because apt-get complains of being locked.
[02:15] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: next step for troubleshooting?
[02:15] <jmichaelx> grade: what do you see there? what is set as your music device, for example?
[02:16] <jmichaelx> shane2peru: are you still unable to close it?
[02:17] <grade> jmichaelx: i could see alsa default output; oss defaoult output; jack audio connection kit
[02:17] <shane2peru> jmichaelx: no it closed, but not with the X
[02:17] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: do you know the essid ?
[02:17] <jmichaelx> shane2peru: but you are still unable to use apt-get?
[02:17] <jmichaelx> grade: do you have pulseaudio installed?
[02:17] <shane2peru> jmichaelx: right, and my network widget shows serious downloading going on.
[02:18] <grade> jmichaelx: how could i check pulseaudio?
[02:18] <jmichaelx> shane2peru: ok, that does not sound like expected (or desired) behavior
[02:18] <shane2peru> jmichaelx: I will let it run it's course, then check after it is done.
[02:18] <jmichaelx> grade: in the terminal, what output does 'which pulseaudio' give you?
[02:19] <shane2peru> jmichaelx: for example, I selected wine to be installed, and then searched for other stuff, searched for wine again, and it showed nothing, I re-clicked install, and it started again to download it?
[02:19] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: yes I do, but when I scan using the essid parameters as well, it states that "eth1    no scan results"
[02:19] <grade> jmichaelx: /usr/bin/pulseaudio
[02:19] <jmichaelx> shane2peru: sounds like muon may be pretty buggy
[02:19] <shane2peru> jmichaelx: I think it was working, I just jumped the gun on some stuff, I'm not a pacient person for computers.
[02:19] <shane2peru> brb.
[02:20] <jmichaelx> shane2peru: my patience can also run low :-D
[02:20] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: and a flat iwlist eth1 scan gives you nothign as well ?
[02:20] <jmichaelx> grade: so you do have pulse installed. in phonon, do you no see a device listed as 'internal audio analog stereo'?
[02:21] <jmichaelx> not*
[02:21] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: just checked, and yeah
[02:22] <grade> jmichaelx: i could see none
[02:23] <jmichaelx> grade: strange
[02:23] <jmichaelx> grade: have you rebooted a few times since upgrading to oneiric?
[02:24] <grade> jmichaelx: i agree, it is strange. i rebooted several times already, and when i logon it says that my alsa is not working
[02:25] <jmichaelx> grade: what is output do you get for 'which alsamixer'?
[02:26] <jmichaelx> (sorry as always for my manifold typos)
[02:26] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: do you have nmcli ?
[02:26] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: :l....I really don't know
[02:26] <Daskreech> can you try nmcli nm
[02:27] <shane2peru> jmichaelx: ok, did install wine
[02:27] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: well, I typed in 'nmcli' and a bunch of stuff came up, so I assume I do
[02:27] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: try nmcli nm
[02:27] <Daskreech> what does it say about wifi ?
[02:29] <Linkmaster> RUNNING->running, STATE->disconnected, WIFI-HARDWARE->enabled, WIFI->enabled, WWAN-HARDWARE->enabled, WWAN->disabled
[02:29] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: ^
[02:29] <jmichaelx> grade: could you see anyting with 'which alsamixer'?
[02:30] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: did you hand write that?
[02:30] <Daskreech> Wow ok I'm afraid to ask you to run nm-tool :-o
[02:31] <Linkmaster> Yeahh, I screen-typed that
[02:31] <Linkmaster> The arrows stand for what was under the capital things(which are actually capitalized)
[02:32] <phiscibe> be nice if we someone added easy remote guest longons into their distro, for cases like this,
[02:32] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: well, the state of nm-tool says 'disconnected' and my eth1 device is 'disconnected' as well
[02:32] <Daskreech> But the carrier is on?
[02:33] <shane2peru> is it me, or has FF7  increased it's speed?
[02:33] <Linkmaster> Uhm....for my eth0(wired) it says under 'capabilities: carrier detect: yes"
[02:33] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: yeah that's how I picked up the hand typing :)
[02:34] <Daskreech> ok
[02:34] <Daskreech> Yeah that makes sense
[02:35] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: but under eth1, it has nothing under 'capabilities:
[02:35] <grade> jmichaelx: /usr/bin/alsamixer
[02:36] <ForgeAus> what is quadros? just a square-based theme look or some kinda Linux flavour?
[02:38] <phiscibe> real time operating system ForgeAus
[02:40] <phiscibe> a brand name of one anyway
[02:40] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: Did you say if it's a hidden essid ?
[02:41] <Linkmaster> It is a hidden essid
[02:42] <Daskreech> ok
[02:42] <Linkmaster> This troubleshooting is going somewhere though, so thank you for your help. What other ideas do you have?
[02:43] <Daskreech> sudo iwconfig eth1 essid any
[02:43] <Daskreech> try that then connect
[02:44] <Daskreech> sudo iwconfig eth1 essid 'youressidhere'
[02:45] <Linkmaster> I tried, but nm-tool still gives the same results
[02:45] <Linkmaster> iwconfig states that the access point is not-associated
[02:46] <shane2peru> smiley test :)
[02:47] <shane2peru> yeah, got it working in konversation, that just brightens my day.
[02:47] <shane2peru> well, night.
[02:49] <shane2peru> ok, quick and hopefully easy question, I had a quick luanch folder brower thing beside my menu, someone stole it, does anyone know where it went?
[02:50] <phiscibe> hey Daskreech, i dont have a dameon running in kubuntu 11.04 that monitores other dameons and makes a log, what is that app called?
[02:50] <Linkmaster> shane2peru: it should be found with the rest of the plasmawidgets that can be found
[02:51] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: anything to be done? D:
[02:51] <shane2peru> Linkmaster: right, somehow I don't know the name of it, I looked but really not sure what to search for.
[02:52] <Daskreech> not associated hmm
[02:52] <Daskreech> shane2peru: lol ;)
[02:52] <Daskreech> phiscibe: syslog ?
[02:53] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: ummm
[02:54] <Linkmaster> shane2peru: righclick on the desktop, hit 'add widgets' then on the 'catagories' thing, click 'application launchers'. it should be right there, under Quicklaunch
[02:54] <Daskreech> sudo ifconfig eth1 down ; sleep 10 ; sudo ifconfig eth1 up ?
[02:55] <Linkmaster> sounds worthy of a shot
[02:55] <Linkmaster> the  ;  mean a new command, or literally put that in there?
[02:56] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: both work
[02:56] <Daskreech> ; is a command seperator
[02:56] <Daskreech> it's the same as typing the command on the line below
[02:56] <shane2peru> Linkmaster: nope, that isn't it either, I found Folder view, and that is almost it, but not quite, the other, I could quickly open menu, go through my folder structure and open a file
[02:56] <Daskreech> just a way of running three commands on the same line
[02:57] <Linkmaster> shane2peru: try reinstalling it
[02:57] <Daskreech> shane2peru: quick access ?
[02:57] <Linkmaster> Daskreech:  its the same as "&&"
[02:57] <shane2peru> Daskreech: maybe that was it
[02:57] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: No && will only run the next command if the first one is succesful. ; will run the next command regardles of what happened before it
[02:58] <Daskreech> && is logical and dependent ; is not
[02:58]  * shane2peru always forgets the difference between && and & therefore just uses ;  :)
[02:58] <Daskreech> shane2peru: do you forget the difference between | and || ?
[02:58] <Linkmaster> ah, very good thing to learn
[02:58] <Daskreech> what do you do then? :-o
[02:59] <shane2peru> nope, don't even know the diff. :)
[02:59] <Daskreech> Well you could resort to named pipes but that's uuuuuber geek
[02:59] <shane2peru> oh, wait, I do know what | is, that is piping, I have used that.
[02:59] <shane2peru> quick access isn't it.
[02:59] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: okay, that command went through w/o problems, what next?
[02:59] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: try the iwconfig connect again
[03:00] <shane2peru> that is terrible, I can't beleive they stole that right off my desktop, right in front of my very eyes!
[03:01] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: nothing :l
[03:02] <kadoban> so, my wireless card worked during the install, but now in kde it doesn't do anything.  it just shows as "unmanaged", and doesn't let me join any networks.  how can i figure out why?
[03:02] <kadoban> it worked in the last version of kubuntu...
[03:05] <kadoban> it also sits for a very long time when booting at "Waiting for network configuration..." and eventually gives up
[03:06] <shane2peru> Linux shanekub 3.0.0-12-generic #20-Ubuntu SMP Fri Oct 7 14:56:25 UTC 2011 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[03:07] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: sorry about that, someone tried to take my spoof
[03:12] <rubyplusplus> Can you setup ubuntu one in kubuntu 11.10?
[03:12] <well_laid_lawn> !ubuntuone
[03:15] <kadoban> looks like if i get rid of the wireless connection in /etc/network/interfaces, it now works.  that's a really bad default...wonder why it did that (set up my wireless with the settings from the install)
[03:15] <kadoban> also wonder why it totally doesn't appear to work...
[03:22] <brambleclaw> how do i view my current os?
[03:24] <phiscibe> no sorry reading about bugs,
[03:27] <Daskreech> brambleclaw: turn on the computer ?
[03:28] <brambleclaw> right
[03:28] <brambleclaw> LOL
[03:28] <Daskreech> Seems like a good start
[03:29] <cprgmswr2> what does kubuntu use for automount devices
[03:30] <Daskreech> cprgmswr2: What level are you talking about?
[03:31] <phiscibe> it uses a utility called fstab cprgmswr2, however, it seems to have been broken recently
[03:31] <Daskreech>  The device manager will notify you, Solid will broadcast it and udev will do the actual mounting
[03:31] <phiscibe> oh you mean as in plug in the device, not auto start
[03:32] <Daskreech> Maybe
[03:32] <Daskreech> cprgmswr2: do you mean mount when the computer starts up or after you plug something in?
[03:32] <cprgmswr2> Daskreech: when you plug something in
[03:36] <Daskreech> cprgmswr2: udev does the actual mounting if that's what you care about
[03:36] <cprgmswr2> Daskreech: yeah, thats what I care about, its just interesting that kpackagekit says udev is not installed
[03:38] <Daskreech> nice :)
[03:38] <cprgmswr2> thats why I am pretty confused
[03:38] <Daskreech> cprgmswr2: so you don't have a /etc/udev ?
[03:39] <cprgmswr2> ah I do
[03:39] <cprgmswr2> very very strange
[03:43] <phiscibe> try dmesg | tail
[03:44] <phiscibe> the udev bug iss ramant
[03:44] <phiscibe> there muliple version is one problem
[03:45] <phiscibe> there is one bug that cause udev to fail because of the a new folder stucture in  /var
[03:46] <phiscibe> init.d startup scripts are broken in that they are not being replaced with upstart jobs
[03:47] <Daskreech> or systemd
[03:49] <phiscibe> so it dosent try to launch , wont work if it does unless you fix  /var, and one or two othere things
[03:50] <phiscibe> im still on 11.04 but ive seen enought to know dbus gets worse
[03:50] <phiscibe> dbus-daemon	[system] Rejected send message, 7 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.28" (uid=1000 pid=2378 comm="/usr/bin/plasma-desktop ") interface="org.freedesktop.NetworkManager" member="Sleep" error
[03:51] <phiscibe> that one
[03:51] <phiscibe> some kind of certificate or sercuiryt problem i think
[03:54] <phiscibe> Daskreech: it was syslog, but the file name is rsyslogd
[03:54] <phiscibe> had a doh moment
[03:56] <phiscibe> what do you do when the service logging error messages is causing error messages
[03:57] <Daskreech> Fix them?
[03:57] <OerHeks> file a bug-report, but first try to reproduce your problem.
[03:57] <Daskreech> OerHeks: You are assuming it's a bug :)
[03:59] <phiscibe> yeah but how do i even see its output
[04:02] <phiscibe> i have settled this system much, its far better than three days ago  OerHeks i was just sharig becuase it can mess with usb thumb drives as cprgmswer2 was dealing with
[04:05] <Daskreech> phiscibe: why do you say it's throwing errors if you can't see anyoutput from it?
[04:05] <phiscibe> i dont know for sure, its a good guess im thinking, it can get high cpu spikes
[04:06] <phiscibe> and every other type of notification system has gone nuts, and it is not generating anything for one log file, which might just me configuration
[04:08] <phiscibe> i think ive gotten rid of the flash bug, #1 on launchad, i have the bug where the journaling was writing every second for ext4
[04:08] <phiscibe> i have had the dbus bug where the cd drives spin on their own, and if  you but in a usb thunb it reads writes like made
[04:11] <phiscibe> and the gvfsd bug generating lots of read writes, every qt or kde app would generate error message at one point from qtnotify and ibus
[04:11] <Daskreech> wow you've covered a lot
[04:12] <phiscibe> installing ibus clear much of this up, but there are diffrent version running at same time, ibus daemon and ibus gconf,  i hade to set imput methoeds in locales to ibus and it lits even more ibus options that oren there
[04:14] <phiscibe> dbus-daemon has 4 instances right now and some apps still dont see it two running as my user name 1 as root and 1 as message bus
[04:14] <phiscibe> aand 3 dbus-launches
[04:14] <phiscibe> at one point apps would not leave the process list on exit, i had like 20 kates
[04:16] <phiscibe> there more i just understand yet
[04:16] <phiscibe> even in a small way
[04:17] <phiscibe> 5 pam-dbus-notify processes
[04:17] <phiscibe>  and the policy kit seems busted
[04:18] <phiscibe> i dot polkit-kde-auth and polkitd, which might be ok havnet read yet
[04:19] <phiscibe> i dont even know where to begin on the init.d startups, i dont know where to look and see which are supposed to till be there are using upstart jobs
[04:20] <phiscibe> and i realy think, why am i doing this at all, i mean i realy like kde, but the only productivy of this is my learing esotirc stuff
[04:20] <phiscibe> feeding my inner nerd
[04:20] <Daskreech> this is a clean install?
[04:21] <phiscibe> yes
[04:21] <phiscibe> of 11.04
[04:21] <phiscibe> which, the upgrade to 11.10 wont start, which is probllably good
[04:22] <phiscibe> a few programs would flat segfault, no other data
[04:22] <phiscibe> but i dont have debug on
[04:22] <phiscibe> gimp kate a few others, had to change the theme, start gimp, change it back, now its fine
[04:23] <phiscibe> the cpu still seems hight though idle 20-40%
[04:24] <phiscibe> rams ok
[04:26] <phiscibe> ls-dbus-backend, so many process to feed dbus so much notificaiton
[04:28] <Daskreech> what's keeping the CPU high?
[04:29] <phiscibe> xorg ksysgaurd kwin, might but it might not be that bad as im bagning around and not realy idle
[04:29] <phiscibe> but knotify seem s to high
[04:29] <phiscibe> knotify4 and i have two of them
[04:30] <phiscibe> which another thing is disturbing, i think that ALL  these start up stuff is starting TWICE one once each cpu
[04:30] <phiscibe> so somekinda ureadhead bug
[04:31] <phiscibe> every one that uses a start up script it seems
[04:32] <phiscibe> why are there 6 getty
[04:41] <phiscibe> looks like ksyslog is grabbing rsyslogd errors 10/17/11 03:33:45 PM	winky3	rsyslogd-2039	Could no open output pipe '/dev/xconsole' [try http://www.rsyslog.com/e/2039 ]
[04:47] <Daskreech> There should be 6 getty
[04:47] <Daskreech> Should only be one knotify though
[04:47] <Daskreech> Unless you have two plasma desktops running
[04:48] <phiscibe> /dev/xconsole does not exist.
[04:48] <phiscibe> (I also had a failure to resume from suspend, with / remounted readonly and fsck at reboot; I do not know if this is related), thats so close to what all those fstab people are seeing
[04:48] <phiscibe> two monitors with panel on both
[04:51] <Daskreech> hmm still shoudln't have two knotify processes
[04:51] <Daskreech> failure to resume is unfortunately too common
[04:53] <phiscibe> that i got a hint one just havne got there, note that EVERY think with a startup scrit starts twice, but one seprate cpus
[04:53] <phiscibe> akonadi_contact -2 avahi-deamon -2 dbus-daemon -2 and so on
[04:54] <phiscibe> cupsd crypto cron cpust pgp-agent are just one each though, so i have to see what the diffrence in how they start
[04:56] <phiscibe> one each of upstart-socket-bridge and upstart-udev-bridge  more udev
[04:56] <mr-rich> Ok, the upgrade to 11.10 did not go NEARLY as smooth as the upgrade 10.10 to 11.04 ... I need to set a static IP (local class C) for this box for web development. I had it set up before and it worked. I've tried using the network setup tool to change it, but when I do, I can't get urls to resolve ... any ideas?
[04:57] <phiscibe> mr-rich there is so much stranges its hard to get it out of fingers
[04:57] <phiscibe> but i have few
[04:57] <phiscibe> out of my fingers into chat that is
[04:58] <Daskreech> mr-rich: check your /etc/resolv.conf ?
[04:58] <phiscibe> start with this one, it foobars half the system
[04:59] <phiscibe> http://uksysadmin.wordpress.com/2011/10/14/upgrade-to-ubuntu-11-10-problem-waiting-for-network-configuration-then-black-screen-solution/  if you dont like there solution there is another in the ubunut realse notes
[04:59] <mr-rich> ... and my sound doesn't seem to work ... I hear two dings when I log in then I have nothing ...
[04:59] <mr-rich> Daskreech: I didn't need it before ...
[04:59] <phiscibe> it effects ubus thus about everhting
[05:00] <Daskreech> mr-rich: ha ha if you were resolving names then you did unless you hand coded them
[05:00] <phiscibe> are the dings the sound card of the little carboard speaker
[05:01] <phiscibe> cat /etc/resolv.conf anyway something in the failed network manger is moving resolvn.conf around killing dns
[05:01] <mr-rich> phiscibe: no ... from the sound card ... when I launch my tv card, I hear sound ... no system sounds at all ...
[05:02] <phiscibe> dunno, was gonna say the good ole mixer volue and mute trick, but maybe pusle audio failing
[05:02] <mr-rich> except for the 2 dings when I log in ...
[05:03] <phiscibe> then again ive lots of people that have there volume set to zero after a boot, you might have that too and are getting a little sound before the event
[05:03] <phiscibe> not only zero volume but muted
[05:04] <mr-rich> phiscibe: mixer is not set to 0 ... tv card has shound ....
[05:04] <phiscibe> cluless, some have luck deleting their pulseaudio configuration  .pulse and reboting
[05:05] <mr-rich> Where are system sounds set?
[05:06] <phiscibe> from a non X setup, not sure,  is it using the pulseaudio and gstreamer stuff or is it straign alsa on server install?
[05:07] <phiscibe> if it is pulse audio there is a hidden folder in  /home/user/.pulse
[05:08] <mr-rich> where do I assign system sounds to action, etc?
[05:08] <phiscibe> on kubuntu phonon, no idea on server
[05:09] <phiscibe> alsa has a suite of command line tools
[05:09] <phiscibe> hey mr-rich im about to fall over
[05:10] <mr-rich> phiscibe: then I suggest you get some sleep ... or stop drinking ... :)
[05:10] <phiscibe> ive been taking nots and jaming them here, maybe its got a clue or too, http://kubuntu-experince.blogspot.com/
[05:10] <phiscibe> need to drink more than i would arleay be in bed
[05:11] <phiscibe> but most of the bugs are releated to the X envieronment
[05:11] <phiscibe> u may be fine
[05:11] <phiscibe> goodnight gl
[05:16] <nafg_> Hello
[05:16] <Daskreech> Hi
[05:16] <nafg_> Can someone help me regarding Strigi?
[05:17] <nafg_> ?
[05:17] <Daskreech> No idea
[05:18] <Daskreech> Maybe if you say what the problem is
[05:19] <nafg_> It never runs.
[05:20] <nafg_> Server self test says Akonadi and Nepomuk not registered in D-Bus.
[05:29] <mr-rich> Ok, this is just plain wierd ... I have apache installed with a vew virtual hosts ... before I had set a static (local class C) ip to do development ... well, I can't do that now for some reason and I use DHCP to get an addy from my router. but ... and this is the wierd part, when I do an ifconfig, I seem to have an eth1 now ... and ... this is even wierder ... I can still ping the old static ip
[05:29] <mr-rich> address and it still works in my browser ...
[05:32] <mr-rich> oh ... all this happened since I upgraded from 11.04 to 11.10 today ...
[05:34] <Daskreech> nafg_: hmm does nepomuk start?
[05:35] <Daskreech> mr-rich: do you have an eth0 ?
[05:40] <nafg_> Daskreech: Settings/Desktop Search says it's active.
[05:41] <Daskreech> nafg_: so it says that's Nepomuk is on?
[05:41] <nafg_> Daskreech: Yes.
[05:41] <Daskreech> ok so what's the issue?
[05:41] <mr-rich> Daskreech: yes ... eth0 has the addy assigned by DHCP ...
[05:42] <nafg_> Strigi doesn't start, for one
[05:43] <mr-rich> Daskreech: eth1 has no addy ...
[05:43] <Daskreech> strigi runs pretty infrequently now a days I think
[05:43] <Daskreech> at least for me
[05:50] <Hganavak> Where're my sound settings in Kubuntu? I just downloaded kubuntu-desktop from Ubuntu, it's all working super duper perfectly except my sound's not working at all the little icon in the bottom right says it's on 100%
[05:50] <Hganavak> My sound icon's red on my laptop though..
[05:53] <Hganavak> Nvm figured it out ;)
[05:53] <Daskreech> yay
[05:53] <Daskreech> mr-rich: you are on dhcp you say?
[05:54] <Daskreech> nafg_: if it says Strigi is not running in that configuration it doesn't mean strigi is not working. Just that it's not doing anything right now
[05:54] <mr-rich> Daskreech: yes ... further research (from ip addr) shows 2 ips ...
[05:55] <Daskreech> at the same ethernet card?
[05:55] <nafg_> Daskreech: Well it's definitely not working.
[05:56] <nafg_> But I can't really deal with it now...
[05:57] <mr-rich> Daskreech: yes ... on the same card ... eth0 has 2 ip addys ...
[05:58] <mr-rich> Daskreech: in 11.04, I assighed a static ip in /etc/network/interfaces ...
[05:58] <Daskreech> nafg_: alright it's not super crucial in any case
[05:58] <mr-rich> Daskreech: I have since deleted that file ...
[05:58] <Daskreech> Ah ok :)
[05:58] <nafg_> It is, PIM apps don't work
[05:59] <Daskreech> for strigi ?
[05:59] <Daskreech> ah well nepomuk maybe
[06:20] <Hganavak> What do I need to instal to be able to play mv4s?
[06:20] <zzillezz> vlc plays that ?
[06:21] <SunTsu> are there things that vlc doesn't?
[06:22] <zzillezz> of course, it doesn't give you the best picture quality  out of the box :-)
[06:26] <Hganavak> Just tried to install VLC and get the message 'This Operation cannot continue since the proper authorization was not provided'
[06:27] <Hganavak> As far as I cant see any prompts or anything? Where would it be? Sorry only been using kubuntu for about 30 mins
[06:28] <SunTsu> Hganavak: maybe you didn't install kdesudo although that should be default
[06:28] <bbeck> At the command line:  sudo apt-get install vlc
[06:28] <SunTsu> Hganavak: just use su in a terminal and do "apt-get install vlc"
[06:29] <SunTsu> and maybe "apt-get install kdesudo" just to be sure
[06:29] <Hganavak> Says it was already installed
[06:30] <Hganavak> And I could grab it through terminal but I may as well fix this problem, otherwise Software centre's useless
[06:37] <geokal> hi,can someone plese tell me where is the update manager in kubuntu 11.10?
[06:39] <TheLastProject> geokal: It's called "Apper"
[06:39] <TheLastProject> geokal: Not sure where in the menu it is located, but typing Apper in the Kickoff launcher will let you find it
[06:44] <geokal> ok i had to install it first..no apper in the menu
[06:55] <AndroidLoverInSF> i want both unity and kde for 11.10, but i'll mainly be in kde. is it ok to install ubuntu, then install the kde-desktop? or vice versa. does it make any difference with regard to getting updates, etc?
[06:57] <well_laid_lawn> either way works fine
[07:00] <dijonyummy> cool
[07:04] <Daskreech> AndroidLoverInSF: they both work. Makes no difference they live side by side but don't interfere with each other
[07:10] <ForgeAus> lol progress quest is a little, uh non-intgeractive...
[07:10] <ForgeAus> grr interactive if I Can type it right
[07:41] <Guest7596> Hi, I recently installed kubuntu-11.10 (first time with ubuntu) and was pleased so far. However, one thing was disturbing and that is that the HDD LED lightly blinked every 2 seconds. Just a faint blink, almost like a weak hard beat. Other ppl experienced this problem too apparently, although I am not sure if it is indeed the same. I tested some configurations and settings and _finally_ found out that stopping dbus got rid of that blinking!
[07:41] <Guest7596>  Of course, DBUS is vital, so any ideas?
[07:44] <ForgeAus> you mean to say your problem was that your computer was working?
[07:45] <Guest7596> ForgeAus, It is actually idle. It is just a faint blink so not like it is the case when the PC is working or the HDD is heavily accessed...
[07:46] <ForgeAus> idle? maybe your not doing anything but does DBUS know that?
[07:46] <ForgeAus> it was probably just doing its job...
[07:46] <ForgeAus> I doubt its anything to be alarmed about
[07:47] <Guest7596> ForgeAus, I didn't experience such a behavior previously with my gentoo. It was quite old, so maybe something in DBUS/KDE/etc. changed in the meantime, but I don't think this is the nice way to have this LED weakly blink every 2 seconds...
[07:48] <ForgeAus> while I agree, its not something I can do anything about...
[07:49] <Guest7596> No problem :) Maybe someone else has an idea on that?
[07:53] <axel56> Hello Kubuntu user
[07:54] <axel> Hello Kubuntu User
[07:55] <axel> Hallo yoga
[07:57] <joel> hi, i have a massive problem with kmail 2
[07:58] <joel> when i open it, i don't have any "folders"
[08:00] <ForgeAus> file -> new -> addfolder?
[08:01] <Guest93113> ForgeAus: actually its getting worse, i get a fatal error now when starting kmail
[08:01] <pritesh> any one can explain me how apt-get works ?
[08:01] <ForgeAus> ok well that I don't know how to fix
[08:02] <ForgeAus> pritesh, it uses wget or something to retrieve a package then dpkg to add it to the system
[08:02] <ForgeAus> when you use a command like sudo apt-get install packagename
[08:02] <pritesh> yes that i know
[08:02] <ForgeAus> ok what don't you know? because I probably don't too :)
[08:03] <pritesh> bt i want to know if i use "apt-get install vlc" it will install vlc but how it can call the server and then fetch the proper package and from where
[08:04] <Daskreech> pritesh: less /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:05] <ForgeAus> (you can also edit that in muon if you have the same Kubuntu version I have (possibly packagekit or adept on older versions)
[08:05] <pritesh> daskreech,  thanx
[08:05] <seshagiri> Hello everyone, i did a fresh kubuntu installation after the release of 11.10. When i tried to install kipi-plugins from source, i found following errors: http://pastebin.com/0nb5SUWK, which i didn't find during my preivous installation. I guess, The problem is with kde 4.7, such that some dependancies are not satisfied. Could some one please help me out?
[08:05] <pritesh> forgeaus, oj,,,,
[08:06] <seshagiri> I've already asked to #digikam and #kde-imaging, but no-one responsed yet!
[08:06] <Daskreech> seshagiri: I'm assuming you ran apt-get build-dep ?
[08:06] <seshagiri> Daskreech: yes
[08:07] <seshagiri> Daskreech: i've also installed some dependancies manually
[08:09] <pritesh> thnx everyone
[08:10] <Daskreech> hmm build-dep should pull in all the sources you need to build that package assuming you aren't on trunk
[08:12] <seshagiri> I am not on trunk. Last time i've installed it without any fail and within few minutes. But i guess they've made a lot of changes in the 11.10. And that may be one of the cause!
[08:12] <Guest93113> ForgeAus: deleting all kmail and akonadi configs solved the problem
[08:17] <AlexDevilLX> Hello my little frendie
[08:17] <Daskreech> hi
[08:18] <Daskreech> seshagiri: true. What is wrong with the kipi-plugnis package for Kubuntu ?
[08:19] <AlexDevilLX> ok
[08:21] <AlexDevilLX> Gnome 2 is dead
[08:21] <AlexDevilLX> WTH is plasma
[08:21] <Daskreech> Officially it's the 4th state of matter
[08:22] <seshagiri> Daskreech: I don't know . The instructions given in kipi-plugin's documenation is not updated and also no one blogged about the changes!
[08:22] <AlexDevilLX> wazzzup is plasma?
[08:22] <AlexDevilLX> i like AmaroK icon
[08:22] <Daskreech> seshagiri: Did you try the Kubuntu packaged kipi-plugins ?
[08:22] <AlexDevilLX> how to compiz-config in KDE?
[08:23] <Daskreech> AlexDevilLX: same was as in Gnome but it of course only works if you are running compiz
[08:23] <Daskreech>  which doesn't get run in KDE by default
[08:23] <seshagiri> Daskreech: I didn't get you? You mean installation from Kubuntu-repository?
[08:23] <Daskreech> seshagiri: yes
[08:23] <AlexDevilLX> Daskreech: how to?
[08:23] <ForgeAus> you no longer need compiz in kde
[08:24] <ForgeAus> desktop effects do much of what compiz used to
[08:24] <AlexDevilLX> ok, i like compiz, metacity how to use them in KDE?
[08:24] <seshagiri> Daskreech: I am developing a plugin. So i have to install it from source. No  other choice
[08:24] <ForgeAus> just replace the window manager (kwin) with compiz or metacity
[08:24] <Daskreech> seshagiri: fair enough :)
[08:25] <ForgeAus> generally you run wmname -replace
[08:25] <Daskreech> AlexDevilLX: press alt+F2 and type default
[08:25] <ForgeAus> (ie fluxbox -replace, or kwin - replace or metacity - replace, etc... )
[08:25] <AlexDevilLX> runed reconq
[08:25] <Daskreech> apachelogger: ping. Can you send a minion to assist seshagiri?
[08:26] <AlexDevilLX> i cant open compiz-config
[08:26] <seshagiri> Daskreech: Thanks brother. I found a solution. It can only be installed in home folder.  Last time i tried in a sub folder under home folder.  But this time it didn't work
[08:27] <AlexDevilLX> compiz --replace
[08:27] <ForgeAus> check your package manager
[08:27] <ForgeAus> there will be a kde configurator for compiz somewhere
[08:27] <AlexDevilLX> gnome-system-info
[08:28] <ForgeAus> if not I think there is a desktop effects app... not sure what package it comes in
[08:28] <ForgeAus> gnome? no idea... this is kubuntu, mostly based around KDE...
[08:28] <seshagiri> Daskreech: I've got class now! See ya. You guys are real open source contributors :) Thanks again. :)
[08:34] <Daskreech> AlexDevilLX: try kinfocenter
[08:34] <Daskreech> seshagiri: see you thanks for being patient and helping out
[08:36] <apachelogger> Daskreech: lolwut?
[08:37] <Daskreech> apachelogger: never mind
[08:37] <apachelogger> you know
[08:37] <Daskreech> It worked out
[08:37] <apachelogger> you are the third person to tell me to never mind in like 30 minutes
[08:37] <Daskreech> something about dependency issues building kipi-plugins
[08:37]  * apachelogger feels unneeded now
[08:37] <Daskreech> apachelogger: cause we don't want your mind. We want your body
[08:39] <apachelogger> c'est terrible
[08:39] <Daskreech> c'est magnifique!
[08:43] <jtr__> hello!
[08:44] <jtr__> i have a problem - a very minor one
[08:44] <jtr__> kopete crashed, i tried to report it via the bug wizard ( which i think uses dr.konqi to find suitable debug packages) - i 'ok'ed everything till it failed to authenticate
[08:45] <jtr__> and this happens everytime !
[08:46] <jtr__> can someone tell what i should do?
[09:00] <aneeszaki> hi..anyone managed to run wine with the new kernel?
[09:07] <Guest7596> How can I stop the NetworkManager to test something? kubuntu.-11.10
[09:17] <Guest7596> Don't want to remove it completely but just disable it for a moment.
[09:37] <AlexDevilLX> kde main commands?
[09:38] <Guest7596> AlexDevilLX, Some more details please :)
[10:11] <Guest21022> Greetings everyone and anyone
[10:12] <Guest21022> I can use a little help.
[10:12] <Guest21022> I broke something and when I plug a USB thumb drive. I get nothing.
[10:12] <Guest21022> No pop ups on device found
[10:13] <Guest21022> I have a light on the thumb drive
[10:14] <Guest21022> Anyone?
[10:14] <Guest21022> Awake?
[10:16] <GirlyGirl> Guest21022: Yes, I just came could you repeat your querry
[10:17] <Guest21022> I am trying to figure out how to get thumb drives to show in Kubuntu 10.4.3
[10:17] <Guest21022> It used to, and not sure if I did something
[10:17] <SunTsu> Guest21022: what does dmesg tell you? Is there anything about sdX being plugged in?
[10:17] <Guest21022> I was trying to use my mp3 players and they owuld not auto mount
[10:17] <SunTsu> Guest21022: if you need to paste something, please use a web paste service
[10:19] <Guest21022> On emoment
[10:20] <GirlyGirl> Guest21022: Does this occur with all pendrives ...
[10:20] <Guest21022> Theres too much to cut
[10:20] <Guest21022> But is the last the newest?
[10:20] <Guest21022> Says new device
[10:21] <Guest21022> New high speed SUB device using...
[10:21] <SunTsu> Guest21022: Guest21022 that's good. Maybe you just removed the usb widget from your status bar
[10:21] <Guest21022> ehci_hcd
[10:22] <Guest21022> What widget am I looking for please?
[10:23] <Guest21022> I've been her ein the past and gotten no where.
[10:23] <SunTsu> Guest21022: Some widget with usb symbol - I don't know it's english name
[10:23] <Guest21022> I have been currupted by my years of windows use.
[10:24] <Guest21022> Is there a web page with widget info?
[10:25] <Guest21022> Mybe onbe called Dvice Notifyer
[10:26] <SunTsu> Guest21022: could be, yes, should be some usb sign inside a circle
[10:26] <Guest21022> I so want to make this my main system.
[10:27] <Guest21022> But I am slow
[10:27] <SunTsu> Guest21022: take some time and have courage to explore and experiment
[10:27] <Guest21022> No, dont think it i s device notifyer
[10:27] <Guest21022> Not a questiojn of courage. A question of patience
[10:29] <James147> Guest21022: do they show up in the places panel in dolphin?
[10:30] <Guest21022> Dolphin open
[10:30] <Guest21022> Under mount?
[10:30] <Guest21022> Media?
[10:30] <James147> Guest21022: in the places panel on the left side of dolphin
[10:31] <Guest21022> Under File it has Folders
[10:32] <Guest21022> The basic ones listed that make up the OS
[10:32] <Guest21022> Bin, boot, CDROM
[10:32] <Guest21022> dev, etc
[10:32] <Guest21022> home
[10:32] <Guest21022> lib
[10:32] <Guest21022> lib32
[10:33] <James147> Guest21022: does running 'sudo fdisk -l | grep "^Disk /dev"'  list it?
[10:35] <Guest21022> How do I open an dos window?
[10:35] <Guest21022> Xterm
[10:36] <James147> Guest21022: konsole is the terminal in kde
[10:37] <Guest21022> Just shows the main hard drive
[10:37] <Guest21022> Disk /dev/sda: 160.0 GB, 160041885696 bytes
[10:37] <Guest21022> I am remembering osme of the commands
[10:37] <Guest21022> I have let my linux skills slip
[10:39] <James147> Guest21022: and you ran it with the drive pluged in?
[10:39] <Guest21022> Yes
[10:40] <Guest21022> Always likes the highlight function where you dont have to copy
[10:40] <Guest21022> liked
[10:41] <Guest21022> Except figuring chit out like this woulod drive me binkers
[10:41] <James147> Guest21022: then unplug it, plug it back in and run dmesg, see what it says
[10:41] <Guest21022> I just duid
[10:41]  * James147 has to go now ^^ 
[10:42] <Guest21022> If I can figure these ast couple things. I will switch to my Kubuntu box.
[10:53] <kavurt> skype doesn't show my video when I talk with someone. but when i go to skype options, and click on test webcam, it works. what can i do?
[10:58] <ForgeAus> how do I find winelib path?
[10:58] <ForgeAus> the default /usr/lib/wine doesn't seem to work
[10:58] <moetunes> !wine
[10:59] <jamil_1> ForgeAus: which wine
[10:59] <ForgeAus> its ok I just found it
[10:59] <ForgeAus> lib32 instead
[11:02] <NCS_One> hi
[11:03] <ForgeAus> funny its amd64 lubuntu lol
[11:03] <ForgeAus> hey NCS :)
[11:04] <NCS_One> when doing a very large update a friends computer shuted down, now when I try to start kubuntu after the login I get an error. Here is the report: http://paste.kde.org/135079/
[11:05] <NCS_One> what can I do to fix it?
[11:07] <moetunes> NCS_One:  have you tried to redo the update?
[11:08] <NCS_One> moetunes: the update didn finnish
[11:08] <NCS_One> but how do I do that?
[11:08] <moetunes> that's why I asked if you'd redone it
[11:09] <moetunes> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade from a tty if you have to
[11:10] <NCS_One> moetunes: no need for an internet connections for that?
[11:10] <moetunes> NCS_One:  if you have repos that are on the net you will need a connection
[11:10] <moetunes> !repos
[11:10] <NCS_One> damn
[11:11] <NCS_One> I only can start in console mode or in Recovery mode
[11:12] <NCS_One> and don't know how to start intern in that :(
[11:12] <moetunes> ethernet should be ok
[11:12] <NCS_One> moetunes: I'll try
[11:13] <moetunes> luck
[11:13] <NCS_One> thanks :)
[11:14] <Peaker> How do I add a custom application launcher to the KDE panel? This used to be so easy with older KDE's
[11:15] <Peaker> I dragged the script icon from dolphin to the panel -- now I get an ugly icon that I can't seem to change like it used to be possible
[11:15] <ForgeAus> there is a launcher plasmoid
[11:15] <Peaker> what's a "plasmoid"?
[11:15] <ForgeAus> "widget" for plasma panel
[11:16] <ForgeAus> (Plasma is the desktop including the panel that replaced kicker)
[11:16] <Peaker> I liked kicker :-P
[11:17] <ForgeAus> so basically anything desktop theme, widget or activity is Plasma...
[11:17] <ForgeAus> although I guess stuff like window decorators, and some other stuff is more like kwin than plasma...
[11:18] <Peaker> I can't find any launcher
[11:18] <Peaker> Adding "Application Launcher" gives me another K menu in there :-(
[11:19] <ForgeAus> its clled quicklaunch
[11:19] <ForgeAus> not application launcher
[11:19] <ForgeAus> although there is that too but its a kmenu or replacement
[11:19] <ForgeAus> (called kickoff)
[11:20] <ForgeAus> (although personally I prefer lancelot)
[11:20] <sh1nobi> hi all
[11:21] <ForgeAus> hey sh1nobi :)
[11:21] <sh1nobi> whay my kubuntu 10.04 cannot play video format
[11:21] <sh1nobi> what must i doing
[11:21] <ForgeAus> uh maybe you don't have the codec?
[11:22] <ForgeAus> try getting vlc that plays bascially anyhting you can throw at it
[11:22] <NCS_One> right
[11:22] <sh1nobi> please im newbie
[11:23] <NCS_One> the only thing I don't like about vlc is that I cannot move the subtitles out of the image
[11:23] <ForgeAus> sh1nobi can you install an application?
[11:23] <Peaker> is there a concensus the new KDE stuff is better than the stuff that was there 3-4 years ago? I'm pretty sure the older stuff was nicer :-P
[11:23] <sh1nobi> vlc cannot open
[11:23] <sh1nobi> kaffein
[11:23] <ForgeAus> yes kaffeine is a video player
[11:23] <Peaker> The screen is so loaded with noisy visual details, so distracting...
[11:23] <sh1nobi> Kplayer
[11:23] <ForgeAus> but it sounds like you don't have what you need to play it there
[11:24] <sh1nobi> Kmplayer
[11:24] <ForgeAus> it may be from the restricted packages, if you install vlc it should be able to play there
[11:24] <NCS_One> sh1nobi: what the file format?
[11:24] <sh1nobi> .avi .mkv .mpeg .flv
[11:24] <sh1nobi> all movie or video cannot play
[11:25] <NCS_One> hmmm strange
[11:26] <AD> Wow. Suitably large attendance.
[11:26] <sh1nobi> help what must i install
[11:27] <Peaker> How do I change the default alt-tab behavior to show a simple window list of icons like earlier, and not a trapezoid of the current window?
[11:27] <ForgeAus> system settings
[11:27] <ForgeAus> I think its in dektop effects
[11:27] <jamil_1> anyone tried this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyagJDU0MzY&feature=watch_response ?
[11:28] <Peaker> thanks
[11:28] <jamil_1> sh1nobi: you have tried vlc ?
[11:28] <sh1nobi> yes
[11:29] <sh1nobi> but vlc has install but cannot open the program
[11:29] <jamil_1> sh1nobi: what happens when you open vlc ?
[11:29] <sh1nobi> the flv cannot running
[11:29] <sh1nobi> just blank black and then close
[11:30] <NCS_One> sh1nobi: maybe this last post can help you https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/26956
[11:30] <AD> I'm wondering if I might have made a bit of a rookie error with my 11.10 install. Clicked to install nautilus-dropbox in Muon, and it's been stuck at 96% / committing changes for a good 10 minutes or so now... Anybody got an idea what I might do to sort it?
[11:30] <sh1nobi> ok NCS_One
[11:32] <ForgeAus> so using raster graphics speeds up kde but no ogl?
[11:33] <ForgeAus> raster means bitmaps only right as opposed to vector graphics which is lines, etc...
[11:33] <jamil_1> but x11 itself uses ogl.  no ?
[11:34]  * ForgeAus shrugs
[11:39] <AD> Anybody? Thoughts on Muon getting stuck? I don't want to just kill the process, in case I break something.
[11:46] <zemlyak> о привет
[11:46] <Unit193> !ru | zemlyak
[11:47] <zemlyak> hi all^_^
[11:48] <zemlyak>  /join #kubuntu-ru
[12:11] <roland> Hi.   I'm writing a bash script, I want to run it directly from dolphin (double-click), the script needs to know in which folder it is located, under ubuntu PWD variable is set to the correct folder(/home/Projects/folder-where-script-exists/) but in kubuntu it is set to some random /home/roland/Documents/ ... anyone know how to get the  correct PWD variable like in ubuntu?
[12:13] <SunTsu> roland: kde afaik has a "run this in directory" option, if you set this to what you want CWD should be as you expect it to be. In addition: CWD never can bei wrong, because that's what's the current working directory is at that moment
[12:15] <roland> SunTsu: where can I find the  "run this in directory"?  nautilus needed a separate plugin but dolphin?
[12:16] <SunTsu> roland: right-click onto that script and edit it's properties
[12:18] <roland> SunTsu: I don't know if I'm blind or what, but I can't locate that kind of setting
[12:18] <SunTsu> roland: maybe you need to add a program runner for it and click on that instead of the script itself
[12:24] <roland> SunTsu: using a program runner indeed works, but there are too many scripts to create runners for everything, any way to automate runner creation?
[12:27] <roland> SunTsu: ok, I found a quite simple solution to my problem... I can get the scripts location from $0,   I don't know how I didn't remember it
[12:27] <SunTsu> roland: er, yes, forgot that too. dirname $0 dhould do the trick
[12:27] <roland> that should be quite portable across *buntus
[12:28] <SunTsu> probably portable across all POSIX compatible systems
[12:28] <roland> even better
[12:33] <Guest76282> Daskreech: ping
[12:34] <JuJuBee> Is there a screen reader for kde?  I see orca for gnome...
[12:43] <Linkmaster> I'm back. Still have no internet with my kubuntu computer, but I will have a chance to wire it up today, so I"m going to do that
[13:03] <JuJuBee> I need help. My classroom computers are having some trouble. Students cannot open google chrome or firefox and surf the net. They can with links2 and rekonq. FF and GC seem to hang .
[13:04] <szal> any messages when starting from terminal?
[13:05] <JuJuBee> let me check.
[13:18] <shane2peru> hmm, kfilebox, doesn't seem to work on 11.10, installed this way:  http://maketecheasier.com/install-and-use-dropbox-in-kubuntu/2010/12/24  and doesn't seem to come up
[13:20] <JuJuBee> szal: upon further testing, it seems it is related to nis.  I have a local user on the computer and it can surf just fine.  It is only the NIS users that cannot.  ANy thoughts?
[13:33] <martin__> when I try to install Kubuntu on my lagtop there is no "install next to Windows" option - why is that? on another computer I can see and select it
[13:37] <aleeepc> hello, i'm having problems with wifi connection. I'm using kubuntu 11.04 on eeepc 1000h, and I can't connect to my university wifi. Wifi requires wpa, eap-peap, mschapv2, but when I try to connect with the network manager it continues to prompt for credentials. What can I do?
[13:37] <genii-around> martin__: Is the installation media a usb stick?
[13:37] <JohnFlux_> Hi
[13:37] <JohnFlux_> I just install kubuntu, but it still boots straight into windows
[13:37] <JohnFlux_> I don't get any grub meny
[13:37] <JohnFlux_> In 11.10
[13:40] <szal> lagtop..  lol
[13:40] <martin__> genii-around: no, it's a CD
[13:41] <martin__> genii-around: the same CD works on my other laptop
[13:41] <martin__> (which happens to be of the same brand and the same model)
[13:41] <genii-around> JohnFlux_: Did you install from inside Windows using the Wubi installer? It may be using the Windows boot manager and not grub
[13:43] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:43] <martin__> hi
[13:44] <genii-around> martin__: Yes, odd. Does it have some different partitioning scheme/full C:\ possibly?
[13:44] <martin__> genii-around: C:\ is not full, only about 15% is used
[13:45] <martin__> the partitioning should be the same
[13:47] <genii-around> martin__: Same Windows version on both laptops?
[13:47] <martin__> yes
[13:47] <martin__> genii-around: is there any applications I can use from the inside of Kubuntu to partitionate?
[13:47] <martin__> Kubuntu's installer can't resize, only format
[13:49] <genii-around> martin__: The installer can only resize filesystems that it has a driver loaded for, etc
[13:49] <szal> martin__: you cannot resize mounted partitions
[13:49] <genii-around> And that, too
[13:49] <JohnFlux_> genii-around: nope
[13:49] <martin__> but it's a live CD? can't it resize them then?
[13:49] <JohnFlux_> genii-around: I booted off the dvd, did rescue, and reinstalled grub.  That worked
[13:49] <JohnFlux_> Now it doesn't boot for other reasons
[13:50] <genii-around> JohnFlux_: Did you put grub on mbr?
[13:50] <JohnFlux_> genii-around: when reinstalling?  yes
[13:51] <genii-around> JohnFlux_: OK. Sometimes people put it on a partition by mistake, like sda1 sda2 or so on instead of sda
[13:52] <JohnFlux_> Now it's hanging on "Checking battery state"  when booting
[13:52] <JohnFlux_> it's a desktop machine
[13:53] <genii-around> JohnFlux_: Ah. If the video has some issue, this is usually where it hangs.
[13:54] <genii-around> martin__: You might want to try with the gparted livecd to grow/shrink your partitions
[13:54] <martin__> genii-around: yeah I thought of that too, but then I'd have to download another X00 MB - isn't there any application that I can install on my live system?
[13:54] <martin__> for instance, what does GParted use?
[13:55]  * szal keeps a grml CD handy for stuff that cannot be done from within the installed system
[13:56] <JohnFlux_> genii-around: "startx" says:  nvidia_173 not found
[13:56] <genii-around> martin__: gparted is the application itself. The livecd for it is bundled with many filesystem drivers so that it can work on a lot of systems
[13:56] <martin__> genii-around: ok, I guess I'd have to try that then... cheers
[13:56] <genii-around> JohnFlux_: If your eth0 is active, perhaps then to sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install nvidia-current
[13:57] <JohnFlux_> yep just doing that now
[13:57] <genii-around> JohnFlux_: Looks like the nvidia dkms module was not built for your current kernel, etc
[13:58] <JohnFlux_> genii-around: well nvidia-current wasn't installed at all
[13:58] <BluesKaj> isn't the nouveau driver still default on fresh installs?
[13:59] <BluesKaj> with nvidia graphics
[13:59] <genii-around> JohnFlux_: since it is saying 173 as version, probably was a different packagename ( -current is something like 280 )
[14:00] <genii-around> Work, back in 5-10 minutes
[14:04] <JohnFlux_> genii-around: install nvidia-current  and remove --purge nvidia-173
[14:04] <JohnFlux_> genii-around: now it works
[14:09] <genii-around> JohnFlux_: Ah, good.
[14:19] <ghostcube> hmm anyone has th same problem, the systemsettings default webbrwoser alsways changes to rekonq ? doesnt matter if you change it to something else
[14:21] <alvin> It was changed to rekonq after the upgrade, but I was able to change it back to opera-browser without any problems.
[14:23] <aleeepc> hello, i'm having problems with wifi connection. I'm using kubuntu 11.04 on eeepc 1000h, and I can't connect to my university wifi. Wifi requires wpa, eap-peap, mschapv2, but when I try to connect with the network manager it continues to prompt for credentials. What can I do?
[14:26] <ghostcube> hmm it always changes to rekonq for me after closing and starting systemsettings again
[14:32] <BluesKaj> ghostcube, try this , sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser
[14:33] <ghostcube> oh ok, havent thought about this :)
[14:33] <ghostcube> will try later
[14:35] <Guest61623> Why can't i drag and drop multiple files in an archive to extract them?
[14:36] <Guest61623> Where can I find some video tutorials on kubuntu.  There are some things that just feel backwards
[14:37] <alvin> Guest61623: I don't understand. You can drag and drop multiple files from ark. Just tried it.
[14:37] <desktop> hello, i've just upgraded to kubuntu 11.10, and i don't have the Folder View layout for the desktop anymore :(
[14:38] <Guest61623> then mine must be screwy
[14:38] <Guest61623> also, what is the shortcut to open dolphijn?  I can't stand going to the k menu every time I want to browse my drives.
[14:39] <alvin> desktop: Cashes -> Unlock Widgets -> Add Widget (Folder view)
[14:39] <Guest61623> Cashes?
[14:39] <alvin> Cashew, (typo)
[14:39] <desktop> alvin: Cashew? :(
[14:39] <Guest61623> Oh. the yin tyang looking thingy?
[14:40] <alvin> Yes, it's called a 'cashew' :-)
[14:40] <Guest61623> Okay. Thanks.
[14:41] <Guest61623> Where can I drop the link so that it isn't so obnoxious?
[14:41] <desktop> alvin: can't find the Folder view widget :(*
[14:41] <Guest61623> That's taking up Waaayyyy too much desktop.
[14:42] <alvin> desktop: When in the Add Widgets bar, type it in the search
[14:42] <desktop> alvin: it doesn't show up
[14:42] <desktop> alvin: i've also tried to look for it in the "get new widgets" thing but it doesn't show up either
[14:42] <alvin> Guest61623: Unlock Widgets -> Right click on the application menu -> open the menu editor -> go to Dolphin -> Advanced -> Set your preferred shortcut
[14:44] <desktop> alvin: is there another way to get it?
[14:44] <Guest61623> What?  The Kmenu?
[14:45] <alvin> canis_76: the command is 'kmenuedit'
[14:45] <canis_76> in the terminal then?
[14:45] <alvin> desktop: It's in the 'File Systems' category
[14:45] <alvin> canis_76: Yes
[14:45] <canis_76> Now the terminal i can work with.
[14:46] <desktop> alvin: i only have 4 widgets there and folder view is not one of them
[14:46] <alvin> desktop: Install 'plasma-widget-folderview'
[14:47] <desktop> alvin: it's working, thanks :)
[14:47] <canis_76> that just opened up,....wait.
[14:47] <alvin> desktop: You're welcome
[14:47] <desktop> alvin: but why can't i download it from the "Get new widgets"window?
[14:47] <alvin> desktop: No idea. Does that even work?
[14:48] <desktop> there are some widgets to download there ^^ never used it though
[14:48] <canis_76> Ahhh.  meta+D make much more sense to me than no short cut at all, or any of the other options
[14:50] <badserii> Hello. Can't get romanian standart keymap in KDE. Usually I had few choices (with cedilla, commabelow, etc), now I have just 2: german romanian and romanian default. Please advice.
[14:50] <canis_76> When I drag and drop something from another drive to the desktop I expect that to translate into a " copy to desktop"  How do I make that heppen on kubuntu?
[14:51] <alvin> badserii: You can set the keymap system wide with # dpkg-reconfigure console-setup KDE will let you select different keymaps, but I can 't help you there.
[14:51] <canis_76> Long story short...is there any way to set up kde so the mouse navigation/usage works like gnome, mac, or windows as opposed to all freaky?
[14:52] <Riri> Amazing new http://goo.gl/lBJYo
[14:52] <Riri> http://goo.gl/lBJYo
[14:52] <Riri> Long story, new end at http://goo.gl/lBJYo
[14:52] <badserii> alvin: thank you
[14:54] <alvin> canis_76: I always copy files by using the command line. Is it that different? I'd suppose drag and drop works in Dolphin. Your desktop folder view is probably just the same.
[14:55] <arthur_> nick ForgeAus
[14:55] <testing> Does anyonw know any good programming channel?
[14:55] <ForgeAus> no plasma-scriptengine-kimono for oneric?
[14:55] <ForgeAus> good question testing :)
[14:55] <canis_76> I can understand the whole permissions thing, but using cmdln is tedious for me.
[14:55] <testing> Need help with printing truthtable in java :P I have beginning on it, but my mind is limited
[14:56] <testing> ForgeAus: :P
[14:56] <BluesKaj> testing, which program langauge, there are several chats?
[14:56] <testing> i tried java channel, but need invitation
[14:56] <chuckf> When I use krunner to lauch Konsole by typing in 'terminal' about half the time krunner crashes when I've typed out to about 'termin'. I've found many similar bugs but no solutions that work. This has been an issue for about three versions for me now.
[14:56] <canis_76> when I try to drag and drop a folder it just offers 2 options.  Neither of which I'm interested in.
[14:56] <testing> BluesKaj: Java, but it is not programming language specific
[14:56] <testing> BluesKaj: It is general help how to use for-loops to print a truthtable with grinds
[14:57] <canis_76> I mean if I'm doing work on 2 units at once I should be able to use the mouse to get things done fast.
[14:57] <alvin> canis_76: I see what you're trying. There's a difference between drag and drop to the plasma desktop, or to an actual directory (in folder view widget)
[14:57] <BluesKaj> testing, if you need an invite on freenode , maybe a java chat on a differnt server ?
[14:58] <testing> BluesKaj: Which server?
[14:58] <testing> BluesKaj: i tried #java, but maybe it is something else?
[14:58] <BluesKaj> testing, dunno ,do a search
[14:58] <alvin> chuckf: I'd search http://bugs.kde.org . I can't reproduce yours. If you can send a stacktrace to the tracker, you might find similar bugs.
[15:01] <Nightrose> hey folks
[15:01] <phiscibe> me too, hi ppl
[15:01] <Nightrose> i just upgraded my kubuntu installation and am greeted with a lot of problems :(
[15:02] <genii-around> !details
[15:02] <Nightrose> first of all: on boot i get a message saying "waiting for network configuration...."
[15:03] <Nightrose> genii-around: sorry - was waiting for it to boot to that point
[15:03] <Nightrose> upgrade to oneiric
[15:03] <Nightrose> i'm not connected by cable but only wifi
[15:04] <Nightrose> then i get a message saying "waiting 60 more seconds" and something
[15:04] <genii-around> Nightrose: The network configuration thing should timeout after a while, yes.
[15:05] <Nightrose> genii-around: can i turn this off? i'd rather not wait that long every time i boot
[15:05] <Nightrose> when i log in i get the next problem:
[15:05] <genii-around> This message often happens if you have manual entries in /etc/network/interfaces
[15:05] <Nightrose> i shouldn't - overwrote it during upgrade
[15:05] <chuckf> alvin: As I said, I've found similar issues but no resolutions. The problem is intermitten so I may see it 10 times a session or not at all. And I've only seen it with the one command
[15:06] <Nightrose> "warning: cannot open consolekit session: onable to open session: failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: something i can't read
[15:06] <genii-around> work..back at my computer in 5-7 minutes
[15:06] <chuckf> Nightrose: I found I had to recreate my wifi settings after the oneric upgrade
[15:07] <Nightrose> chuckf: i have so many problems i can't even do that yet :(
[15:07] <Nightrose> so after the above error...
[15:07] <Nightrose> plasma starts and kded crashes
[15:08] <Nightrose> then akonadi complains
[15:08] <Nightrose> then phonon
[15:08] <Nightrose> :/
[15:08] <Nightrose> i don't even know where to start looking for fixes tbh
[15:09] <canis_76> I can't grab more than one thing in ark!
[15:10] <canis_76> How are you supposed to multi-select files?
[15:10] <ghostcube> Nightrose: are u using wicd for networking? this is crashin plasma at the moment
[15:10] <Nightrose> ghostcube: i used it a while ago nut no longer
[15:10] <Nightrose> *but
[15:11] <phiscibe> the network just died weird
[15:11] <Nightrose> ghostcube: but you might be on to something - there is wicd solid stuff in the kded crash backtrace
[15:12] <ghostcube> Nightrose: try to move .kde folder to kde-old and try to login
[15:12] <phiscibe> its not a network nanager problem per say
[15:12] <Nightrose> ok...
[15:12] <ghostcube> it worked for me, no idea if it will work for you
[15:12] <phiscibe> though thatss the end result, its all the stuff network manager rides mostely the notification system
[15:13] <phiscibe> Have you just upgraded to Ubuntu 11.10 Oneiric Ocelot and now getting the “Waiting for network configuration” message followed by “Waiting up to 60 seconds more for network”? This then might be accompanied by a black blank screen.
[15:14] <Nightrose> phiscibe: sounds like what i have yes - how do i fix it? :D
[15:14] <Nightrose> ok moved .kde and rebooting
[15:14] <phiscibe> its becuase the /var /var/lock /run /ect are in new locations so half the system tries to write to locations that dont exist so it just wiats
[15:14] <phiscibe> Nightrose:  i posted the link
[15:15] <Nightrose> phiscibe: i must have missed the link - can you post it again?
[15:15] <phiscibe> ah sorry my net died
[15:15] <adarshajoisa> in the system tray, the battery icon is hidden (i need to click on that arrow to see it). How can i unhide it? (i'm using kubuntu11.10) i couldn't drag it to the tray with my mouse
[15:16] <phiscibe> here is the official bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sysvinit/+bug/858122
[15:16] <Nightrose> thx
[15:16] <phiscibe> here is one soluting http://uksysadmin.wordpress.com/2011/10/14/upgrade-to-ubuntu-11-10-problem-waiting-for-network-configuration-then-black-screen-solution/
[15:17] <Nightrose> will have a look - thx
[15:17] <phiscibe> and here is a quot off the release notes, PRE INSTALL $ sed -i -e 's#/var/run#/{,var/}run#' -e 's#/var/lock#/{run,var}/lock#' -e 's#/dev/shm/#/{dev,run}/shm/#' <profile>
[15:17] <Nightrose> well - moving .kde seems to have made it worse
[15:17] <Nightrose> :(
[15:18] <phiscibe> yeah move it back its not in .kde
[15:18] <phiscibe> but after you fix that, then  you can see the rest of the bugs, happy happy joy joy
[15:18] <Nightrose> man... :( i need that machine for work tomorrow
[15:18] <Nightrose> i shouldn't have upgraded...
[15:19] <phiscibe> adarshajoisa: right click chose system tray options
[15:19] <phiscibe> Nightrose: i started too, but aborted after i saw some of the bugs floating around, im ussing 11.04 still but 11.04 is just as bad
[15:19] <adarshajoisa> phiscibe: oh, i'm a noob! :P thanks, got it.
[15:20] <Nightrose> phiscibe: :/ this is just bad...
[15:20] <Nightrose> anyway thanks for your help - let's see how far this gets me now
[15:20] <phiscibe> the human race is all noobs
[15:20] <adarshajoisa> phiscibe: :)
[15:21] <mr-rich> The upgrade from 11.04 to 11.10 was not NEARLY as smooth as the previous upgrade ...
[15:21] <phiscibe> kubuntu looks so nice too, it lend to a great work flow, it doesnt intimadate people in my cirlce that are windows centric, but when you takes make up off  you just wanna put ibakc on
[15:22] <phiscibe> 3 days agao i couldnt do anything it was so locked up
[15:22] <mr-rich> the cashew "tool box" icon at the top right sez "unnamed" ... is there a way to change that?
[15:23] <phiscibe> mr-rich: not sure i undrstand
[15:23] <phiscibe> i hover over mine and it the tool tip says toolbox, but it has no text under it
[15:23] <mr-rich> phiscibe: upper right corner of the screen ... mine sez "unnamed"
[15:23] <adarshajoisa> mr-rich: right click on ur desktop and select activities. u'll get a box at the bottom with the activities listed.
[15:24] <adarshajoisa> now, there'll be an activity that says unnamed. click on the wrench icon at the bottom right corner, and u can rename it as u want
[15:25] <mr-rich> adarshajoisa: thanks. Activities is new to 11.10, right? Just what do they do?
[15:25] <adarshajoisa> if u just want to hide that cashew rectangle, you can try dragging it to the right. u'll get just the cashew icon on the top right corner with the text hidden.
[15:25] <phiscibe> yeah what those activities, each one you add creates like a new virtural desktop that will keep all its widgets running and you might forget they ar there
[15:25] <phiscibe> no 11.04 had them
[15:25] <Nightrose> phiscibe: i can't do step 5 from http://uksysadmin.wordpress.com/2011/10/14/upgrade-to-ubuntu-11-10-problem-waiting-for-network-configuration-then-black-screen-solution/
[15:25] <Nightrose> phiscibe: i get a function not implemented error
[15:25] <adarshajoisa> mr-rich: i'm not sure. i've been using opensuse with kde, and activities were there in kde 4.6 if i remember correctly. :)
[15:26] <phiscibe> they are like custom workspace for the job at hand, like i dunno a thumbnail view for working with photos, or a pim view for contacts
[15:26] <phiscibe> Nightrose: you get that when you do what?
[15:26] <Nightrose> phiscibe: rm -rf /var/run /var/lock
[15:27] <adarshajoisa> i guess they can open applications specific to what you're working on, like photos, but i've never used them myself. :P
[15:27] <phiscibe> Nightrose: you have to get a non x logon
[15:28] <phiscibe> might have to drop out of x alotghter
[15:28] <Nightrose> phiscibe: ok
[15:28] <phiscibe> and remember these changes this is a dirty fix, an new updtate might not respect it
[15:29] <phiscibe> so if a fix comes in updates and u have fixed it alread, the fix could break it
[15:29] <Nightrose> yeah
[15:29] <phiscibe> This is the House Jack built
[15:30] <BluesKaj> Nightrose, phiscibe , the tutorial tells the user to drop to a TTY first
[15:30] <Nightrose> BluesKaj: i did
[15:30] <phiscibe> i mean its realy simple in a way, jsut folders in the wrong place,
[15:30] <Nightrose> but the non-working session is still going
[15:32] <BluesKaj> Nightrose, ok then maybe kdm is running , sudo service kdm stop
[15:32] <Nightrose> phiscibe: BluesKaj: ok no X but still getting the error
[15:32] <Nightrose> ok
[15:32] <Nightrose> no dice
[15:33] <Nightrose> still getting "rm: cannot remove /var/run/vmblock-fuse/dev: function not implemented
[15:33] <Nightrose> and the same with /blockdir instead of /dev
[15:34] <Nightrose> any ideas?
[15:35] <phiscibe> no
[15:36] <BluesKaj> Nightrose, sorry , beyond my expertise
[15:36] <Nightrose> ok
[15:36] <Nightrose> apachelogger: you maybe?
[15:36] <phiscibe> try to make the directories needed, leeave the old ones in place
[15:37] <Nightrose> ok
[15:38] <phiscibe> Nightrose:  read the thread here, all of it, get coffee, relax and enjoy it, like reading a newspaper
[15:38] <phiscibe> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sysvinit/+bug/858122
[15:38] <Nightrose> i don't think i'm ready for that today...
[15:39] <phiscibe> i here ubuntu 5 is almost rid of bugs
[15:39] <phiscibe> bet a new network manager and live with out dbus
[15:40] <phiscibe> but no notificaions is goona work
[15:40] <phiscibe> or just use iwconfig and manualy bring up the network
[15:41] <phiscibe> find an obscure tool for the command line called ceni, it is a bloohound at bringup a network
[15:41] <phiscibe> no optimal ideas, all involved time, and getting dirty with technolgy and details
[15:42] <ForgeAus> ugh how do I put kde in my gac?
[15:43] <alexdevillx> Hi all
[15:43] <alexdevillx> I dont get Effects in kubuntu 11.10
[15:44] <alexdevillx> it writes coundnt apply the effects
[15:44] <alexdevillx> Hello?
[15:44] <Nightrose> phiscibe: no dice :(
[15:45] <alexdevillx> Can anyone answer me
[15:45] <BluesKaj> alexdevillx, Have you installed the recommended driver in kmenu>apps>system>additional drivers ?
[15:45] <alexdevillx> no
[15:46] <alexdevillx> BluesKaj: i'll try
[15:49] <Nightrose> well great...
[15:49] <Nightrose> i guess i'll go and reinstall
[15:49] <Nightrose> :(
[15:52] <BluesKaj> Nightrose, perhaps an alternate install will work better
[15:53] <petete> does anyone know a good starter book on databases?
[15:53] <alexdevillx> BluesKaj: Thanks
[15:53] <alexdevillx> KDE is awesome
[15:54] <alexdevillx> whats the best cube shortcut?
[15:54] <BluesKaj> alexdevillx, glad you enjoy it, but it still has problems on my setup
[15:55] <alexdevillx> gnome 3 is bad
[15:55] <alexdevillx> Whats the best Cube effect shortcut?
[15:56] <BluesKaj> no shortcuts , you have to select it in desktop effects > all effects
[15:57] <alexdevillx> hell
[15:58] <BluesKaj> kmenu>computer>system settings>desktop effects , alexdevillx ...it's not so difficult
[15:58] <alexdevillx> i know
[15:58] <alexdevillx> shift+tab cant work
[15:58] <alexdevillx> cant get an empty shortcut
[16:00] <alexdevillx> ok, i'll use default
[16:01] <BluesKaj> alexdevillx, I place the system settings app in the panel , that's a shortcut for me
[16:01] <alexdevillx> no
[16:01] <alexdevillx> i mean something instead of ctrl+f11
[16:01] <nadim> Hi, I get a popup telling me that an update for Oneiric is available. Did anyone have problems with it? Do you recommend it?
[16:03] <adarshajoisa> nadim: I updated my system and seem to have no problems with it. Check out the details of the update and update if necessary
[16:04] <BluesKaj> alexdevillx, well it your , but do some research first ...everyobody has different tastes and methods of custoimizing a desktop.
[16:04] <BluesKaj> it's your decision
[16:05] <BluesKaj> nadim, there are problems , but a lot depends on your hardware on this release
[16:08] <alexdevillx> got it to win+tab
[16:13] <KingSphinx> Just did a fresh install of Kubuntu last night (seems Ubuntu doesn't like it when you install the Kubuntu desktop, then try to remove Unity). All is well so far, but polkit-1 has the odd tendency to crash upon shutdown.
[16:17] <alexdevillx> Ok, AmaroK works faster than Banshee
[16:18] <alexdevillx> Can anyone tell me how to use plasma?
[16:19] <KingSphinx> Also, is there a fix for KMail 2's crash upon startup?
[16:24] <nadim> thank you for your answers. could you give me an example of a problem due to hardware? I have a pretty plain box that is 3 years old.
[16:27] <george__> Hello everyone. I'm facing this (http://askubuntu.com/questions/65911/ppa-404-error-after-upgrade) too and I'm wondering if that's anything to do about it or just wait or even disable the ppa again.
[16:29] <KingSphinx> Is it just that PPA or is it every one?
[16:30] <george__> KingSphinx: There were others too (some ppas were automatically disabled on oneiric update), I've reenable most of them, but some are returning me 404 error when sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade.
[16:31] <genii-around> Odds are those ones don't have Oneiric packages
[16:33] <george__> genii-around: I thought the same.
[16:33] <phiscibe> yeah the ppa probably points no natty but your sources got set to point to oneiric, so 404
[16:33] <alexdevillx> Viva la gloria
[16:34] <phiscibe> kmail2 bug is in realease  notes, probably filed migration and the database structure fouled
[16:52] <kartick> hello buddy
[16:53] <bubus> hola
[16:53] <kartick> can any one help me to watch online tv
[16:53] <kartick> how can i do so?
[16:53] <BluesKaj> !miro
[16:53] <BluesKaj> !info miro
[16:54] <kartick> miro can help me?
[16:54] <kartick> well i am trying
[16:55] <BluesKaj> kartick, there are other webtv apps , miro is first one I thought of.
[16:56] <kartick> BlueKaj: well buddy can u tell me names of others?
[17:00] <BluesKaj> check your package manager , kartick  search for tv , or tv internet  , that type of thing
[17:04] <phiscibe> xawtv is kinda the basic, its a bit primatvie but sometimes that means stable
[17:06] <avihay> xbmc has some access to online content and channles
[17:07] <phiscibe> im sorry i diddnt read that right kartick, you said watch tv online, my mind just though TV tuner, xawtv is not an online video viewer
[17:07] <phiscibe> maybe hulua or shoutcast
[17:08] <chiara> hi ... i have the problem whit size character
[17:08] <chiara> i have change from ubuntu to kubuntu
[17:09] <chiara> but for some application i have problem with size charater
[17:10] <phiscibe> apt-cache search pycryto
[17:10] <phiscibe> man my brain is dead
[17:14] <neo69> hi
[17:15] <neo69> can someome help me to make work the Ricoh card reader
[17:15] <chiara> hi ... i have the problem whit size character
[17:15] <chiara> but for some application i have problem with size charater
[17:15] <chiara> but for some application i have problem with size charater
[17:15] <FloodBotK2> chiara: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:15] <FloodBotK1> chiara: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:27] <alexdevillx> Got it
[17:29] <alexdevillx> Samba works
[17:29] <neo69> can someome help me to make work the Ricoh card reader
[17:37] <mr-rich> why is it that I now have 2 icons telling me I have updates?
[17:38] <mr-rich> in 11.10
[17:38] <OerHeks> choose one ?
[17:38] <mr-rich> OerHeks: I do ... I close one, but it always comes back ...
[17:39] <OerHeks> i guess that won't work, do the updates ?
[17:40] <mr-rich> There's only one update and I'm not going to apply it since the update doesn't work right but the old one does ...
[17:42] <diego21> hi all
[17:42] <diego21> why opengl dont work on kubuntu 11.10?
[17:43] <diego21> it compile correctly...but when I run my little program...it shows a windows broke
[17:45] <diego21> its a window that shows what its below it, as if its transparent
[17:45] <ForgeAus> seems to work for me
[17:45] <ForgeAus> at least glxgears did
[17:45] <diego21> i use glut
[17:45] <ForgeAus> glut?
[17:46] <diego21> well...freeglut3
[17:46] <diego21> glut library
[17:46] <ForgeAus> OpenGL Utility Toolkit, ohhh kay
[17:46] <diego21> I have installed all necesary packets
[17:46] <ForgeAus> I know basiclly nothing about it
[17:47] <diego21> I should have run errors or something
[17:47] <ForgeAus> hmmm SDL is an alternative?
[17:47]  * ForgeAus shrugs
[17:48] <ForgeAus> try the glxgears application first (you might need to install mesa-utils or something like that)
[17:48] <diego21> Its for class practices
[17:48] <diego21> I installed it, its needed for opengl support
[17:49] <ForgeAus> so does glxgears run?
[17:49] <diego21> I cant use it, have no choice about that :(
[17:49] <diego21> Its for classroom work
[17:49] <ForgeAus> ok kinfocenter?
[17:50] <ForgeAus> what does that say about your video capabilities
[17:50] <diego21> sure...all worked well with kubuntu 11.04
[17:52] <diego21> have to go, thanks for ur attention ForgeAus
[17:52] <ForgeAus> I'm using the amd64 (although technically I have an intel processor, but apparently AMD64does EMT64 too)
[17:52] <diego21> take care
[17:52] <ForgeAus> you too
[17:52] <diego21> bye
[17:53] <piotrn> Hello, i'm in need of some suggestions, after upgrading to 11.10, i cant get the kde to work
[17:54] <piotrn> kdm is ok, i can login, but as the plasma is about to get up, i get black screen
[17:54] <piotrn> sometines the logon sound plays ok in the background
[17:54] <piotrn> removed x server and everything on top of it, installed it again, did not help
[17:55] <piotrn> graphisc driver is radeon
[17:56] <piotrn> logs dont say anything meaningfull, xorg log has no EE
[17:57] <ForgeAus> uh maybe the x-server channel could help you better? not sure what channel I can check
[17:57] <spacebug-> when I chose "start with empty session" on login, that is just for programs right? Not widgets also?
[17:58] <piotrn> ForgeAus: the problems seem plasma related to me, I'll ask on kde
[18:01] <mimo_> hi, when I use mount -t ecryptfs, where are those keys needed stored?
[18:01] <ForgeAus> if not check #xorg
[18:01] <ForgeAus> they might know how to tackle it
[18:04] <claydoh> spacebug-:  correct, applicztions only
[18:05] <spacebug-> ok good. And thx for your answer
[18:05] <alexdevillx> i like
[18:06] <adarshajoisa> i have a wireless network at home (using WPA2). The network manager on my kubuntu 11.10 doesn't store the network even though i ask it to connect automatically when i connect. When i open the Network Connections, it contains a long list of networks (all the same) one for everytime i connected to it. How do i make it remember the network and connect to it automatically when it's available?
[18:07] <adarshajoisa> btw, if i open any of the stored networks, the SSID is changed to "j" instead of the actual network name, and i can't change it back.
[18:15] <phiscibe> is there a term out there that has more sytax highlighting
[18:15] <Paxin> oops
[18:17] <phiscibe> realy i just want cat to do it
[18:21] <alexdevillx> gtkpod for KDE?
[18:25] <phiscibe> amorok has some of that function, but it out to run fine in kde
[18:41] <alexdevillx> i need to sync video with ipod classic 6g
[18:41] <Phoenix][> Hi there, since upgrading from 11.04 to 11.10 libreoffice no longer displays its icon in the panel, but uses a generic "X" icon instead. Any ideas where I may start looking what's wrong?
[18:41] <Phoenix][> This happens only on one of two upgraded machines, though...
[18:42] <MeanderingCode> Oh boy.  For the first time in years, i'm looking at other distros...Upgrading broke my azureus config, along w/ video and compiz problems
[18:42] <MeanderingCode> grrrrrrrrrr.  i have better things to be doing than fixing things that worked great before
[18:43] <MeanderingCode> on that note...anyone here have success running compiz over kde?
[18:45] <BluesKaj> MeanderingCode, most ppl don't bother with compiz anymore , desktop effects usually fills the need ..dunno for sure but I thought I saw someting about compiz being depracated on  kubuntu 11.0
[18:45] <BluesKaj> 11.10
[18:45] <MeanderingCode> BluesKaj: it's broken, that's evident
[18:46] <MeanderingCode> but neither unity nor kde desktop effects get me 1/3 to the functionality i had w/ compiz
[18:46] <eeefchen> i like gnome3^
[18:46] <MeanderingCode> eyecandy aside, i had a highly configured window and workspace management setup
[18:47] <MeanderingCode> and breaking compiz so you can mess w/ other compositing features may be enough to drive me to another distro
[18:47] <MeanderingCode> even though i've been happy here for years
[18:47] <BluesKaj> functional window dressing ...suppose it has some merit
[18:47] <ForgeAus> gnome3? its probably going to be gnubuntu!
[18:48] <ForgeAus> since unity seems to have taken over ubuntu
[18:48] <MeanderingCode> ForgeAus: that's a great name :)
[18:48] <eeefchen> gnome 3 is great on my netbook
[18:48] <ForgeAus> yeah also a play with GNU :)
[18:48] <MeanderingCode> precisely
[18:48] <ForgeAus> I still think there should be a stepbuntu
[18:48] <ForgeAus> officially
[18:49] <ForgeAus> (or nextbuntu if you like)
[18:49] <ForgeAus> windowmaker/gnustep-based
[18:49] <ForgeAus> of course fluxbuntu isn't official but there is one!
[18:52] <genii-around> ForgeAus: I'm pretty sure fluxbuntu was abandoned somewhere around 9.04
[18:53] <ForgeAus> possibly, I haven't been keeping track of it
[18:53] <ForgeAus> I just knew it existed
[18:55] <ForgeAus> uh how do you find kubuntu from the ubuntu.com page nowerdays?
[18:56] <phiscibe> what are you looking for teh download the wikie the relase notes
[18:59] <ForgeAus> no I'm looking for kubuntu from the ubuntu page
[18:59] <ForgeAus> you know ubuntu.com
[18:59] <phiscibe> ForgeAus:  i jsut looked it does look like they scoured all the derivativfe linkes
[18:59] <phiscibe> derivative
[18:59] <ForgeAus> yeah kinda hidden
[19:00] <phiscibe> found it
[19:01] <phiscibe> on the project seciton
[19:01] <phiscibe> http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/derivatives
[19:01] <phiscibe> project then about
[19:02] <BluesKaj> beware of derivatives ...don't forget the wall stret collaps of '08 :)
[19:02] <ForgeAus> lol you do realize kubuntu is one of them :)
[19:03] <BluesKaj> been on kubuntu since '06 , referring to kde4?
[19:04] <ForgeAus> Kubuntu doesn't so much feel like a derivative, it also doesn't feel the same way as PCLinuxOS's KDE distro
[19:04] <ForgeAus> (like KDE's just been slapped ontop of PCLinuxOS
[19:04] <BluesKaj> never tried PCLinux
[19:04] <ForgeAus> although Kubuntu pretty much is kde slapped ontop of Ubuntu's base, it feels far more deeply integrated
[19:05] <ForgeAus> and uses pretty much exclusively KDE alternatives...
[19:05] <phiscibe> but it still is a derivative, but sometimes lables stiffle thought when structure cloud vision
[19:05] <ForgeAus> I prefer to think of it as a sibling :)
[19:06] <phiscibe> taxonomy needs some rigor, but sibling works,
[19:06] <phiscibe> lets call it a box, and lets but lin in the box
[19:06] <phiscibe> then think out of the box
[19:06] <markit> hi, upgraded to 11.10 from 10.04. I have nepomuk disabled, I don't like that stuff at all, but now I've a notification message telling me that is not running. How can I avoid this? Is very disturbing
[19:07] <phiscibe> markit: i feel for ya,
[19:07] <phiscibe> where do the messages appear?
[19:07] <phiscibe> in the notifier on the tray
[19:08] <PooshhMao> hiya
[19:08] <markit> near the clock, do you knoe the (i) icon?
[19:08] <markit> yes, notifier tray
[19:08] <PooshhMao> question
[19:08] <markit> (sorry, don't know the right names of a lot of stuff in the UI)
[19:08] <PooshhMao> i'm a happy kubuntu user but I'm having some problems with it on a laptop
[19:08] <phiscibe> the thingy at the bottom works for me
[19:09] <markit> phiscibe: what do you mean? you were able to disable this notification?
[19:09] <PooshhMao> it's an asus 1215n, and the issue is it slows down drastically irregularly
[19:09] <BluesKaj> to me kubuntu is becoming a separate entity , like ubuntu is to debian , not quite there yet , due to the gnome/unity probs that seperation appear wider than before
[19:09] <PooshhMao> i do a top and see a lot of processes consume a lot of cpu
[19:09] <PooshhMao> weird thing is if i unplug the power it tends to stabilize after a short while
[19:09] <phiscibe> markit: i have it so the error does not occur, but im an on 11.04 still, BUT you can disable the notificaiont
[19:10] <PooshhMao> maybe something to do with acpi?
[19:10] <phiscibe> dbus more likely
[19:10] <markit> phiscibe: in 11.04 I did not had this issue
[19:10] <phiscibe> PooshhMao: which proccesses
[19:10] <PooshhMao> depends, sometimes it's compiz, or plasma-desktop
[19:10] <PooshhMao> could be anything
[19:10] <phiscibe> markit:  ive had diffrent issues, but if u want to disable it till they fix it it isunder sysmte settings manage notifications and the semantic desktopo
[19:11] <markit> I see, thanks for the tip, maybe if is a recognized bug better wait for a fix
[19:11] <phiscibe> PooshhMao: hit  ctrl+esc and sort by cpu usage see which it is
[19:11] <phiscibe> yeah its on the list
[19:11] <phiscibe> but ive got bugs in 11.04 that have been in lauchpad for 2 years
[19:12] <PooshhMao> top sorts by cpu use by default
[19:12] <phiscibe> but the one we are talking about will have more attention
[19:12] <phiscibe> PooshhMao: set it to tree view too
[19:12] <phiscibe> cause some high cpu high read write problems i can tell you about cuase i hav had a ton
[19:13] <Philip5> anyone have a good workflow for importing mail from old kmail into the new version in kubuntu 11.10? don't find my maildirs with mail as before
[19:13] <phiscibe> might add the file read and write colum
[19:18] <elcuco> hi all, I cannot update to 11.04, since "Could not calculate the upgrade". How do I find the offending package... so I can remove it?
[19:19] <elcuco> I am not using any 3rd party repository
[19:20] <new2net> anyone happen to know what 405 (Method not Allowed) means for webdav?  Am I not using ssl?
[19:21] <BluesKaj> elcuco, sudo dpkg --configure -a
[19:22] <BluesKaj> elcuco, then sudo dpkg --clear-avail
[19:24] <elcuco> BluesKaj: both commands worked without any problem. I don't think my system is .. "unhealty"
[19:24]  * elcuco is thinking about changing apt
[19:24] <BluesKaj> elcuco, did you get the -f install message ?
[19:25]  * elcuco is thinking about changing apt's sources and "aptitude distupgrade"
[19:25] <elcuco> BluesKaj: nope
[19:25] <BluesKaj> good
[19:25] <elcuco> how wrong a "distupgrade" is? who needs a GUI? :)
[19:26] <BluesKaj> what command are you using to upgrade ?
[19:26] <elcuco> I am using KPackageKit's GUI, nothing more
[19:27] <BluesKaj> elcuco, sudo do-release-upgrade if you are upgrading from one kubuntu version to the next
[19:28] <BluesKaj> kpackagekit is a bit buggy
[19:28]  * elcuco looks at the console
[19:29] <elcuco> /usr/bin/ld: can not read symbols: File truncated /usr/bin/ld: BFD (GNU Binutils for Ubuntu) 2.21.0.20110327 internal error, aborting at ../../bfd/merge.c line 873 in _bfd_merged_section_offset
[19:29] <elcuco> aoh.... my system might be borked.
[19:33] <elcuco> BluesKaj: same in the console.
[19:34] <BarkingFish> evening all :)  Anyone know where I might be able to obtain fsck.swap from please?  I had a little tech error with my swap device a few moments back which took me offline.  I tried to fsck it and was told fsck.swap not found.  Does it even exist?
[19:34] <elcuco> BluesKaj:  http://fpaste.org/Dngb/ , see line 16
[19:35] <BluesKaj> BarkingFish, it may exist but this is the first time I've heard of it
[19:36] <BarkingFish> Well I tried [thor@hunter.wizbit91]$ locate fsck | grep swap  and it came back with nothing
[19:36] <BarkingFish> a general locate for all things fsck gave me quite a few to choose from
[19:41] <BluesKaj> elcuco, this is a long shot but try this , sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[19:42] <elcuco> BluesKaj: 2 mins lag here, sweet :) Will try in a sec
[19:44] <elcuco> BluesKaj: nothing, as expected.
[19:44] <BluesKaj> elcuco, nothing is usually a good sign
[19:45] <elcuco> BluesKaj: or bad in my case, since we are yet to find the cause of the problem
[19:46] <BluesKaj> elcuco, do you have a /home partition ?
[19:47] <elcuco> BluesKaj: yes
[19:47] <new2net> I made a program in bash called howami,  it says how many years, months, and days old you are, and about how many until you're going to die
[19:48] <new2net> whoops, wrong channel
[19:48] <BluesKaj> then a clean instll to / might be in order , el
[19:48] <BluesKaj> elcuco,^
[19:48] <elcuco> BluesKaj: ?
[19:49] <elcuco> are you telling me to move /home/ into the rootfs? so all the FS will be in the same device?
[19:51] <BluesKaj> no, not at all , just that your existing install appears un-upgradeable , suggesting a clean install , el
[19:51] <BluesKaj> elcuco, ^
[19:52] <elcuco> BluesKaj: I am looking into /var/log/dist-upgrade. Seems like kdevelop was installed once from a non listed repo  (now...)
[19:54] <elcuco> BluesKaj: yes, now working :)
[19:58] <BluesKaj> elcuco, yup, google is your friend :)
[19:59] <BluesKaj> as is the /var/log files
[20:00] <BluesKaj> an unusual problem , haven't seen that on before, elcuco
[20:01] <BluesKaj> Hi Daskreech
[20:01] <elcuco> next time tell the person having such problem to look in the logs, he will see if there is a package which cannot be upgraded
[20:03] <BluesKaj> the logs are dificult to decipher for a lot of ppl , elcuco , but they can be effective for the trained eye , there's no doubt
[20:03] <Daskreech> Hi BluesKaj
[20:03] <elcuco> just remove it, in mya case the installede kdevelop was newer then the one in the next release (WTF??)
[20:04]  * elcuco spoke too soon, still problems
[20:04] <TheHganavak> Whenever I log in to Ubuntu I get a prompt that my email client's trying to access the wallet, how can I set it to always have permission?
[20:07] <rork> TheHganavak: did you click "Always allow"?
[20:08] <TheHganavak> Not the first time I came up, and now it only has an 'Allow' option..
[20:10] <elcuco> BluesKaj: I removed win, skype, and the restricted meta-package (and ia32-libs)
[20:11] <elcuco> AHHHH it upgrades from ubuntu.com and not the local site!!! so slowwWWWWW
[20:15] <BluesKaj> elcuco, you can choose a faster mirror in synaptic if you have it installed, there's a small wizard that searches for the quickest server in your area
[20:15] <elcuco> BluesKaj: I can edit apt config file directly. thanks.
[20:16] <rork> TheHganavak: in kwalletmanager > settings > configure wallet > access control, can you remove your email client; then when you open your email client it will ask again probably showing the "allow always" button
[20:17] <BarkingFish> There is one other thing I need to know - how do I get kubuntu to bring up the kernel choices when I start the machine? At the moment all I get is a solid blue screen which boots into kubuntu, no kernel choice, recovery mode or memtest...
[20:19] <BluesKaj> BarkingFish, hold down the shift key after the bios scrn til the grub menu appears
[20:20] <BarkingFish> do I have to do that every time, or can I just set it as it was previously - the menu pops up, i pick what i want and boot into it?
[20:22] <BluesKaj> BarkingFish, you can edit grub timeouts in /etcdefault/grub
[20:22] <well_laid_lawn> !grub
[20:22] <BarkingFish> ok, great! Cheers BluesKaj
[20:22] <BluesKaj> err /etc/default/grub
[20:23] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[20:25] <myers_> when i play any video, alot of times it wont show up unless i move the window
[20:26] <myers_> any idea why it may be doing this?
[20:30] <well_laid_lawn> a way to find out would be to run it from the command line and see what it says
[20:51] <alexdevillx> my  kubuntu http://s09.radikal.ru/i182/1110/26/9773b225a6b6.jpg
[20:52] <alexdevillx> should i install awn?
[20:55] <jamil_1> any one tried replacing kwin ?
[20:56] <alexdevillx> nope
[20:58] <BluesKaj> alexdevillx, dunno how well awn will run on kde ...do some research
[20:59] <alexdevillx> should i use default ?
[20:59] <alexdevillx> http://s09.radikal.ru/i182/1110/26/9773b225a6b6.jpg does this look good?
[21:00] <ForgeAus> fluxbox or compiz I tried replacing kwin with but not since lucid
[21:01] <ForgeAus> normally you just use wmname --replace I think, unless things changed on me
[21:01] <jamil_1> ForgeAus: how was the performance
[21:02] <jamil_1> Because right now top shows that  kwin is one of the top contender for my cpu time
[21:02] <ForgeAus> uh I wasn't particularly paying attention to that aspect, it seemed ok, but I found I had more trouble with functionality than anything
[21:02] <ForgeAus> yeah well it would be, it does lots of work
[21:03] <ForgeAus> hmmm strangely I Can't find the -replace option for fluxbox... hmmm
[21:03] <alexdevillx> what did he use? http://atolstoy.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/my_kde_4_3_by_seanbarman1.png
[21:03] <alexdevillx> Media Audi
[21:03] <alexdevillx> Audio Video
[21:04] <ForgeAus> looks like he is running vlc
[21:04] <alexdevillx> and something mac like in down
[21:04] <BluesKaj> cairo dock
[21:04] <ForgeAus> I wonder what dock app
[21:04] <ForgeAus> cairo how do you know?
[21:05] <ForgeAus> daisy can look like that :)
[21:05] <BluesKaj> the screen looks like modded gnome desktop to me
[21:05] <ForgeAus> it does look very gnome-ish to me too
[21:05] <ForgeAus> which would make it gnome-do/docky?
[21:06] <alexdevillx> its kde
[21:06] <BluesKaj> ForgeAus, I don't know , it just looks like it to me ...tried it a few yrs ago , but it was buggy
[21:06] <ForgeAus> alex that doesn't mean there isn't gtk+/gnome apps running :)
[21:06] <BluesKaj> cairo dock that is
[21:07] <ForgeAus> daisy seems ok but a little inflexible and you don't get to see mouse effects when you mouse over the icons
[21:07] <ForgeAus> it feels like kde3 to configure the apps
[21:08] <ForgeAus> and you have to mod it to be a bar, by default its a wheel
[21:08] <ForgeAus> but it seems to work ok from what I tried
[21:08] <ForgeAus> oh and I didn't seem to be able to make an app from programs:/
[21:08] <BluesKaj> eye candy is fine as long as it works as well as the default panel
[21:08] <ForgeAus> it worked fine but its not a REPLACEMENT for the default pannel its more an accessory
[21:09] <ForgeAus> (although it does show trash and tasks too if you choose to
[21:10] <ForgeAus> but I couldn't get an apps menu for it...
[21:10] <alexdevillx> but audio video
[21:11] <ForgeAus> alex?
[21:11] <ForgeAus> what about audio/video?
[21:12] <alexdevillx> audio video playback? http://atolstoy.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/my_kde_4_3_by_seanbarman1.png
[21:12] <ForgeAus> he has plasmoids on the desktop diskspace and the three message, audio and folderview are plasmoids I'd guess
[21:14] <ForgeAus> alex when you "add widgets" you can drag them to the desktop instead of the panel or place them through the activity icon usually in the top right corner
[21:14] <jamil_1> is it possible to view chrome tabs when hover mouse on chrome icon in task manager ?
[21:14] <alexdevillx> ok, i'll use default layout
[21:19] <Daskreech> jamil_1: technically yes. They would have to support it though
[21:19] <jamil_1> Daskreech: They = chrome devs ?
[21:20] <Daskreech> Yes
[21:20] <Daskreech> They put in support for kwallet so ... maybe?
[22:03] <cornette> .
[22:18] <cornette> does anyone know how I change the screen resolution in kubuntu from 1024x768 to 1366x768?
[22:19] <laert> mire mbrema
[22:19] <Daskreech> cornette: add it to the Xconfig file
[22:20] <Daskreech> !it
[22:23] <Snowhog> cornette: What video card do you have - ATI?
[22:24] <Daskreech> !resolution
[22:24] <cornette> @Snowhog: a very old one, nvidia gforce 2mx
[22:25] <Daskreech> cornette: on that page look for adding undetected resolutions
[22:30] <rattlhead> hello?
[22:32] <rattlhead> anyone available for a Kubuntu 11.10 question?
[22:32] <cornette> Daskreech: where do I find the xconfig file or the xrandr file?
[22:33] <Daskreech> cornette: xrandr is a command
[22:33] <cornette> okay
[22:33] <Daskreech> cornette: press alt+F2 and type konsole in the drop down boc
[22:33] <Daskreech> box
[22:33] <Daskreech> then you can type xrandr
[22:34] <Daskreech> or any of the commands there
[22:34] <cornette> aahh, thanks :)
[22:34] <rattlhead> where do I fiind Kubuntu 11.10 updates, it don't see the option in software manager
[22:34] <Daskreech> cornette: your xconfig file is inside /etc/X11 directory
[22:34] <Daskreech> rattlhead: should be in kpackagekit
[22:35] <Starn> Hello can anyone assist me? I am having issues with kubuntu/ubuntu not detecting my wired connection ifconfig only shows loop back. No eth0
[22:35] <Daskreech> cornette: configuration files are just about always in the /etc directory once it will affect the entire computer
[22:35] <Daskreech> Starn: traied sudo ifconfig -a ?
[22:35] <Daskreech> tried
[22:35] <Guest72821> i want to connect to rizon irc server
[22:36] <cornette> Daskreech: thank you! :)
[22:36] <Guest72821> what is the syntax /connect irc.rizon.net 6667?
[22:36] <Daskreech> try /server
[22:36] <Guest72821> ah
[22:36] <Guest72821> now it works
[22:36] <Guest72821> thanks
[22:36] <Daskreech> cornette: if it's a personal configuration then it will be in your home directory
[22:36] <Daskreech> with a dot in front of it
[22:37] <Daskreech> like /home/user/.kde
[22:37] <Daskreech> Starn: if you can see your eth0 there then try sudo ifconfig up eth0
[22:40] <Daskreech> !tab
[22:40] <Starn> Daskreech I do not see the eth0
[22:40] <rattlhead> Daskreech: ahh gotcha
[22:40] <Daskreech> rattlhead:  :)
[22:41] <Daskreech> Starn: only lo ?
[22:41] <rattlhead> Daskreech: thanks, im learning Kubuntu and IRC chat lol
[22:41] <Daskreech> Welcome to Linux and KDE :0
[22:41] <Daskreech> :)
[22:42] <Starn> Daskreech only loopback. Lspci shows the card so am I just missing drivers some how?
[22:42] <rattlhead> Daskreech: when i try to install kpackagekit, I get an error that says it cannot becuse something else is using the package systen at this time
[22:43] <Daskreech> Starn: Not sure. did it work before?
[22:43] <Daskreech> rattlhead: oh you have muon now?
[22:43] <Starn> Daskreech yes worked just fine yesterday even after I upgraded.
[22:43] <Daskreech> Starn: try service networking restart
[22:43] <Daskreech> sudo of course
[22:44] <rattlhead> Daskreech: yes, I am using Kubuntu 11.10, I assume that was part of the install, I don't remember it updating and installing muon
[22:44] <Daskreech> rattlhead: do you jsut want to upgrade ?
[22:44] <Daskreech> Oh wait update :)
[22:44] <Daskreech>  Ok
[22:44] <Starn> Daskreech I am still new to this how would I do that?
[22:44] <rattlhead> Daskreech:  yes, im not real profficient with Linux, and I usually run updates after any install just because it seems like the right thing to do lol
[22:45] <Daskreech> Starn: press alt+F2 and type in konsole
[22:45] <Daskreech> press enter and you'll get a terminal
[22:45] <Daskreech> then type sudo service networking restart
[22:45] <Daskreech> rattlhead: ok fair enough :)
[22:46] <Daskreech> rattlhead: try press alt+f2 and type update manager
[22:46] <Starn> Daskreech says restart unknown instance
[22:47] <rattlhead> Daskreech: I typed update manager and nothing happened
[22:47] <rattlhead> Daskreech: after hitting enter ofcourse
[22:47] <Daskreech> rattlhead: hmm Muon should be there >_>
[22:48] <Daskreech> Starn: oops might be service network restart v_v
[22:49] <shane2peru> ok, libre office is acting strange, and doesn't seem to register rigth with the desktop, it shows an X in the application manager thing on the panel
[22:49] <Starn> Daskreech unrecognized service.
[22:49] <shane2peru> my outline can't be controlled by the tabs any longer
[22:49] <Daskreech> shane2peru: didn't register an icon
[22:49] <rattlhead> Daskreech: ok, I went to Muon software Center and did a search there by typing "update" in the search, It was the top of the list and I installed it from there
[22:50] <shane2peru> Daskreech: ahh, known problem
[22:50] <Daskreech> rattlhead: of course. Should have guessed it would be easier than I thought it would be
[22:50] <Daskreech>  :)
[22:50] <rattlhead> Daskreech: and as I should have known, my software is all up to date lol, thanks a ton for your briliant help
[22:51] <Daskreech> rattlhead: sure sorry for the roundabout chase
[22:51] <rattlhead> Daskreech:  not a problem, I enjoyed learning more than I knew
[22:51] <Daskreech> I'm generally pretty good for that :)
[22:53] <rattlhead> Daskreech: and now under the systems tab, there is a update tab now, so it will be much easier for any future updates
[22:53] <Daskreech> fantastic :)
[22:53] <rattlhead> a software updates tab that is
[22:54] <Daskreech> Starn: if sudo service networking stop works then jsut run sudo service networking start right after
[22:54] <rattlhead> im sorry, not a tab, but an icon for the update software
[22:55] <rattlhead> going to applicates/system, it installs software updates and puts an icon there, sorry also trying to make it clear for anyone that is having the same issues as me
[22:55] <rattlhead> applications*
[22:56] <Daskreech> rattlhead: I think in general if you have any security updates you get an icon in the system tray as well.
[22:57] <Starn> Daskreech not working :(I stop says unknown instance and start actually says networking stop/waiting
[22:57] <Daskreech> oh Hmm
[22:57] <Daskreech> that's strange. When did this stop working?
[22:58] <Starn> Yesterday evening.
[22:58] <Starn> Few hours after I updated to 11.10
[22:58] <rattlhead> Daskreech: I did see a few updates from the notification tab/icon in the system tray when I started Kubuntu 11.10 for the first time, I was just used to seeing a update software option under the software manager and it wasnt there, I was lost :)
[22:59] <Daskreech> Starn: It jsut disappeared while it was running?
[23:00] <Daskreech> cornette: better?
[23:00] <Starn> When I rebooted it did. But it worked after update I had to reboot again to do something in windows. And sudo /etc/init.d/networking stop worked but start just says same thing.
[23:01] <Daskreech> Starn: right service is a shortcut for /etc/init.d/
[23:01] <cornette> Daskreech: no :/ didn't work
[23:01] <Starn> Why wouldn't it work with stop? Hmm.
[23:02] <Snowhog> Daskreech: sudo service networking --full-restart
[23:09] <Starn> My ethernet card is broadcom bcm4401-b0
[23:12] <sam___> Hello all
[23:13] <Snowhog> Starn: Have you checked to see if the driver is listed for activation in System Settings > System > Additional Drivers
[23:13] <Starn> Daskreech modprobe b44 than ifconfig -a now shows it
[23:14] <Starn> Snowhog no ill check now.
[23:17] <sam___> can I ask a question?
[23:18] <Snowhog> sam___: Don't ask to ask - just ask. :)
[23:18] <phiscibe> u just did
[23:19] <sam___> ok snow  How do you update Kubuntu 11.10 ? i couldn't find update button
[23:19] <Snowhog> sam___: Update the installed packages, or update to 11.10?
[23:20] <Starn> Snowhog additional drivers does not load..
[23:20] <sam___> update 11.10
[23:20] <sam___> how do I know if there is any update?
[23:21] <Snowhog> sam___: The *best* way, IMO, is to do so from a konsole (terminal). Alt+F2 and type konsole and press enter. At the prompt, type: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[23:22] <sam___> ok thaks snow but there is no ather way?
[23:22] <Snowhog> sam___: No, you can wait for the update notifier to tell you that updates are available. The notifier will appear in the system tray when updates are available.
[23:23] <sam___> ok thanks snow
[23:25] <Snowhog> Starn: does not load? Or do you mean that it doesn't find/list any drivers for activation?
[23:26] <Starn> Snowhog does not load.
[23:27] <Snowhog> Starn: That's a problem, and indicative of something wrong with your system - me thinks.
[23:27] <Daskreech> sam___: There should be an update button in the package manager
[23:28] <Daskreech> Starn: sudo ifconfig -a shows eth0 now?
[23:28] <sam___> snow  which one is it the one on the top
[23:28] <Starn> Snowdog would running this in recovery mode help?? Just thought of that. And yes after I did modprobe b44
[23:29] <Daskreech> Starn: does it turn up in ifconfig ?
[23:29] <Starn> Snowhog*
[23:29] <Starn> Daskreech I am getting confused who I am talking to. Yes it does show. Now. But still no internet.
[23:29] <Snowhog> Starn: Before anything else, just do a restart and then check Additional Drivers again.
[23:29] <Daskreech> Starn: try sudo dhclient
[23:30] <Starn> Daskreech should I try reboot first like snowhog said?
[23:30] <sam___> snow the one which says check for updates? is that the button?
[23:30] <Daskreech> Starn: try sudo dhclient first
[23:30] <Daskreech> it's quicker
[23:30] <Snowhog> sam___: Yes.
[23:31] <Starn> Daskreech now what?
[23:31] <sam___> ok I thought it updates only the programs thx
[23:31] <Daskreech> Starn: ifconfig and see if you have an ip address
[23:31] <Daskreech> sam___: what would you like updated other than the programs?
[23:32] <Snowhog> sam___: That's what it does - checks for updates to the packages you already have installed.
[23:32] <Starn> Daskreech Nope without -a it don't show the eth0 and with -a I see no ip.
[23:32] <sam___> snow thanks it is my firet time to be here I moved from ubuntu to here
[23:33] <Daskreech> Starn: bah :-) sorry
[23:33] <Daskreech> Starn: sudo ifconfig eth0 up
[23:33] <Snowhog> sam___: NP. Welcome to Kubuntu. :)
[23:33] <Daskreech> sam___: Welcome to KDE :)
[23:33] <sam___> thanks Daskreech
[23:33] <Daskreech> Starn: that should turn on your card
[23:34] <Starn> Daskreech ok it's listed in ipconfig no -a but no ip.
[23:34] <Daskreech> Starn: now try sudo dhclient
[23:35] <Starn> Just did. Nothing so fat daskreech
[23:35] <Daskreech> Starn: no output at all?
[23:36] <Starn> Inet6 addr: fe80: :21a:a0ff and many more strings like that
[23:37] <Daskreech> for suo dhclient ?
[23:37] <Daskreech> sudo
[23:38] <Starn> Scope:link up broadcast running multicast.. and nothing shows when I type sudo dhclient.  All that info is in ifconfig
[23:38] <Daskreech> right ifconfig I'd expect that
[23:38] <Daskreech> Ok Snowhog take over :)
[23:38]  * Daskreech goes for a drink and to work
[23:38] <Snowhog> Daskreech: hehe
[23:39] <Starn> I do know at the very end of ifconfig for the eth0 says interrupt:19
[23:40] <Starn> Wish I could copy and past this stuff to you guys but sadly I am on my phone.
[23:41] <Daskreech> It's fine I understand the pain of not having a network connection
[23:41] <Daskreech> Starn: want to try Snowhog's reboot
[23:41] <Daskreech> ?
[23:41] <Starn> Windows works fine. And yea rebooting now.
[23:41] <Snowhog> Starn: Earlier you said it just stopped working. When it was working, were you still on the same version of Kubuntu? Did you do a version upgrade?
[23:43] <Starn> I was on ubuntu 11.10 than I switched to kubuntu after trying xububtu and it was working just fine even after reboots. Until my very last reboot.
[23:43] <Starn> Xubuntu*
[23:44] <Snowhog> Starn: "until my very last reboot." Before that last reboot, were there any package updates? Any new kernels installed?
[23:44] <Starn> Nope not that I am aware of. I was just going to windows to play some games.
[23:45] <Snowhog> Starn: Are you true multi-booting, or is Linux installed "inside" of Windows - Wubi install?
[23:45] <Starn> True multi boot. Wubi was way to slow.
[23:46] <Starn> I have 160gb dedicated to linux.
[23:46] <Snowhog> Starn: Okay. Do you have your Grub menu configured so you see it? Do you have more than one kernel version to choose from?
[23:47] <Starn> Yes I have grub where I can see and if I click older versions.  And they're version 2 something while this one is version 3 something
[23:47] <Starn> Btw snowhog reboot didn't fix.
[23:47] <phiscibe> i just discoverd pastebinit, how cool is that
[23:47] <Snowhog> Okay, I would opt to boot into the prior kernel and see how things fair.
[23:47] <Starn> Alright I shall
[23:48] <Daskreech> phiscibe: isn't it?
[23:48] <phiscibe> its like gravy on your gravy
[23:49] <Starn> Oh they're 2.6.38-11 is that old?
[23:49] <Daskreech> Not in the greater scheme of things
[23:50] <Daskreech> by FOSS terms it's pretty old but came out this year :)
[23:50] <phiscibe> DarkriftX: u any good at interpeting what goes on at what run level, cant figure out whyu i have some system processes starting twice
[23:50] <Starn> Yay!!!!! Internet!!!
[23:50] <Daskreech> Starn: ^_^
[23:51] <Starn> So just use the old kernel?
[23:51] <phiscibe> DarkriftX:  nm gonna reboot
[23:51] <Snowhog> Starn: Yes.
[23:51] <Daskreech> Starn: Sounds like a good idea for now
[23:52] <Starn> No way to fix the new kernel?? And what if there is an update will that break my system? Haha
[23:52] <Snowhog> Starn: Okay, good. That means that what you have in your PC network wise, is natively usable by the kernel -at least the previous one. Check and see if you have the package dkms installed. If you don't, install it.
[23:53] <starn_> ok i shall this is my desktop now. snowhog.
[23:53] <Daskreech> starn_: update may be more likely to fix it
[23:53] <starn_> uhh how do i check to see if i have dkms package? heh.
[23:54] <Snowhog> Starn: Open a terminal and just type: sudo apt-get install dkms
[23:54] <starn_> oh duh.. now i feel stupid.
[23:55] <starn_> dkms is already the newest version. thats what it said snowhog.
[23:55] <Snowhog> starn_: While you are at it, check Additional Drivers now - my guess is you will see on, and it is active.
[23:56] <starn_> i know it has my nvidia drivers listed.. haha  oh infact that is all it lists.. is my nvidia accelerated graphics driver.. snowhog..
[23:57] <Snowhog> starn_: That means that the kernel natively supports your network interface. And, therefore, the newer kernel should as well. I would now do a normal  shutdown/restart and boot into the newest kernel and see how things work.
[23:58] <starn_> ok.. leme get back on here with my phone.. oddly enough it does not use much battery..