[00:44] <anshrpr1> cmake command failed while configuring touchlib on ubuntu 11.10. Following this tutorial: http://theworm.tw/2011/04/2-how-to-install-touchlib-on-linux/  Here is the generated error: http://pastebin.com/dazLtWX7
[04:23] <pitti> Good morning
[04:24] <RAOF> Morning pitti :)
[04:28] <pitti> hey RAOF, how are you?
[04:29] <RAOF> Eh, ok.  I was perhaps a little bit too ambitious on the weekend gardening front, and my back now wants a word with me :/
[04:29] <RAOF> Other than that, super.
[04:30] <RAOF> 'twas our 2 year wedding aniversary yesterday :)
[04:33] <pitti> heh
[04:33] <pitti> RAOF: oh, congrats!
[04:34] <pitti> RAOF: did you cook a nice dinner?
[04:34] <RAOF> We had more of a lazy dinner on the couch :)
[04:35] <RAOF> We'll go out to dinner to a fancy restaurant sometime soon
[04:36] <RAOF> Sam hankers for a steak :)
[04:55] <RAOF> Hm.  duplicity probably shouldn't be eating 3.8GiB RSS.
[05:28] <pitti> ugh SRU queues
[05:30] <RAOF> Whenever I start on them it seems that someone else is half-way through clearing them.
[05:30] <pitti> I got them down to 3 now
[05:31] <pitti> now off to fixing the KeyError crash that pending-sru chokes on
[05:31] <RAOF> Yay? :)
[05:31] <pitti> presumably a private bug
[05:33] <pitti> that should do it
[05:39] <pitti> robert_ancell: hey Robert, how are you?
[05:39] <pitti> robert_ancell: how is lightdm holding up in the wild so far? get flooded with bug reports, or is it mostly stable?
[05:40] <robert_ancell> pitti, a marked increase in reports, there's some annoying bugs out there, but I think the majority are doing OK
[05:40] <pitti> good to hear
[05:41] <pitti> robert_ancell: how would you like to handle bug 874635? want a merge proposal from me, or just want to commit simple stuff like this?
[05:41] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 874635 in lightdm "Guest session throws an apparmor denial" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/874635
[05:41] <robert_ancell> pitti, I've got a stable branch which has some changes - do you recommend cherry picking things onto the ubuntu branch or going with a full release?
[05:41] <robert_ancell> pitti, yes, please just commit directly
[05:41] <pitti> robert_ancell: I can't commit upstream
[05:41] <pitti> robert_ancell: but for stuff like that I wouldn't mind being able to
[05:42] <robert_ancell> pitti, you can now
[05:42] <pitti> robert_ancell: anyway, if you by and large create the stable branch with cherrypicks for LP bugs, all of which you'd want to SRU anyway, please upload the whole thing (i. e. microrelease)
[05:42] <pitti> robert_ancell: it's easier to package (no patches mess), and also more beneficial for other distros who use the upstream tarballs IMHO
[05:43] <robert_ancell> ok, I'll just make sure it's extra tested before uploading then :)
[05:43] <pitti> robert_ancell: ok, so for above bug, I'd commit to lp:lightdm and then cherry-pick into lp:lightdm/1.0  ?
[05:44] <robert_ancell> pitti, sure
[05:44] <pitti> robert_ancell: I mean, lp:lightdm/1.0 is the correct one?
[05:44] <robert_ancell> yes
[05:44] <pitti> cool, thanks
[05:44] <pitti> RAOF: hooray! http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html
[05:45] <RAOF> Wohoooo!  Working again!
[05:45] <RAOF> Also, nice low numbers :)
[05:47] <pitti> robert_ancell: ok, done
[06:04] <didrocks> good morning
[06:06] <TheMuso> c
[06:07] <rickspencer3> good morning all
[06:07] <rickspencer3> hey didrocks, hey TheMuso
[06:07] <didrocks> good morning rickspencer3
[06:08] <pitti> hey rickspencer3
[06:08] <pitti> bonjour didrocks
[06:08] <rickspencer3> hey pitti
[06:08] <rickspencer3> bonjour mes amis
[06:08] <didrocks> guten morgen pitti, how are you?
[06:09] <rickspencer3> didrocks, nous parlons Francais sealement en #u-desktop!
[06:09] <didrocks> rickspencer3: pas de problème, je pense que tu seras lassé avant moi! :-)
[06:09] <pitti> didrocks: quite well, thanks! playing SRU whack-a-mole :)
[06:10] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, seeing that. cnd emailed me an evince patch for utouch, maybe I should upload it in addition to what we already have (bumping the version as you accepted the update)?
[06:11]  * rickspencer3 is still not used to ubuntu-mono when programming
[06:11] <rickspencer3> didrocks, vuntz suggested that we all get together in Lyon sometime with winter
[06:11] <rickspencer3> maybe with seb128
[06:11] <didrocks> rickspencer3: oh? I would say it took me 3 days to accomodate and I made myself the remark yesterday that I don't notice it anymore
[06:12] <didrocks> rickspencer3: that would be nice, do you know about the 8 december in Lyon?
[06:12] <rickspencer3> didrocks, nope
[06:12] <pitti> didrocks: fine for me; just build with -v, please
[06:13] <rickspencer3> didrocks, I'm not used to Ubuntu Mono, but I like it
[06:13] <rickspencer3> no reason your font needs to be ugly while programming
[06:13] <didrocks> rickspencer3: it's the "fête des lumières", all the city is illuminated for 5 days. It attracts a lot of people: http://www.fetedeslumieres.lyon.fr/
[06:13] <didrocks> pitti: sure, will do
[06:13] <rickspencer3> oooh
[06:15] <didrocks> if you want some photo to see what it looks like: http://www.google.fr/search?q=8+december+Lyon&hl=fr&client=ubuntu&hs=4Fj&channel=cs&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=yBidTuDmMu7N4QSa54ioCQ&ved=0CGIQsAQ&biw=1920&bih=1114
[06:15] <didrocks> (it's every year in the whole city)
[06:21] <rickspencer3> aaaaaahhhhh
[06:21] <vuntz> didrocks: ah, 5 days. I remember the days when it was only on December 8th
[06:22]  * rickspencer3 beats dbus about the head with club
[06:22] <vuntz> do I sound like an old grumpy man? ;-)
[06:22] <didrocks> vuntz: I knew this as well :-) seems to be "only" 4 days this year though!
[06:22] <didrocks> hey vuntz btw ;)
[06:23] <vuntz> ola
[06:37] <rickspencer3> seif, I fixed a small bug in your Zeitgeist script, is there somewhere I can submit a patch?
[06:40] <didrocks> pitti: evince uploaded FYI
[07:29] <seif> rickspencer3, well the actual code is http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~activity-log-manager/activity-log-manager/trunk/view/head:/alm/remote.py
[07:29] <seif> so bzr branch lp:activity-log-manager
[07:29] <seif> and try out the UI
[07:31] <rickspencer3> thanks seif
[07:44] <didrocks> pitti: forgot to push eog?
[07:45] <pitti> didrocks: seems it's diverged now; but it's only the UDD branch anyway
[07:45] <pitti> Vcs-Bzr: https://code.launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/eog/ubuntu
[07:45] <pitti> is that really current?
[07:45] <didrocks> oh, ,it's not anymore ~ubuntu-desktop/eog/ubuntu?
[07:45] <pitti> didrocks: if so, Vcs-Bzr: needs updating
[07:45] <didrocks> this contains 3.1.92-0ubuntu2
[07:45] <didrocks> and:
[07:45] <didrocks> eog (3.1.92-0ubuntu3) UNRELEASED; urgency=low
[07:45] <didrocks>   * Update Bzr-Vcs tag to point to ~ubuntu-desktop instead of ~gnome3-team
[07:46] <pitti> ah, heh
[07:46] <pitti> so that wasn't uploaded, and thus when I did the 3.2 update I didn't see it with debcheckout yet
[07:46] <didrocks> pitti: I'll take your change and apply there then
[07:46] <pitti> sorry about that
[07:46] <pitti> didrocks: merci
[07:46] <didrocks> no worry :)
[07:49] <pitti> back in 30 mins
[07:53] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[07:53] <didrocks> hey chrisccoulson, good morning!
[07:53] <bryceh> *wave* chrisccoulson
[08:11] <seb128> hey
[08:12]  * bigon realised that http://packages.qa.debian.org/f/freedesktop-sound-theme.html vs https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sound-theme-freedesktop
[08:14] <didrocks> pitti: debian/source_gnome-power-manager.py isn't useful anymore, isn't it? you want its removal in the SRU?
[08:14] <didrocks> salut seb128
[08:14] <didrocks> seb128: I fixed the update-versions script to actually copy the page at the right page :)
[08:14] <didrocks> seb128: how are you?
[08:14] <didrocks> right place*
[08:15] <seb128> re
[08:15] <seb128> didrocks, thanks, I just copied my old version
[08:15] <seb128> it was probably not adapted to the ubuntu-platform layout, I didn't check that
[08:15] <didrocks> was etooold it seems :-)
[08:15] <seb128> didrocks, I'm good thanks, how are you
[08:16] <didrocks> yeah, no worry! ;)
[08:16] <didrocks> I'm fine, thanks
[08:16] <seb128> (hate how switching from wifi to eth on dock force you do restart IRC)
[08:16] <micahg> +1
[08:17] <seb128> waouh, didrocks is active, I had planned to look at the nautilus SRU in the morning ;-)
[08:17] <didrocks> too late, testing it there! :)
[08:17] <seb128> didrocks, it closes at least 3 bugs btw, but you will probably figure that, I nominated those for oneiric iirc
[08:18] <didrocks> already listed :-)
[08:18] <didrocks> I just needed to add the ubuntu-sru people and all was already fine!
[08:18] <seb128> great
[08:19] <didrocks> ah great, new nautilus is segfaulting there though
[08:21] <didrocks> interesting, it seems not every patches listed as git_* comes from git (or maybe they have been reverted)
[08:21] <didrocks> (thanks god, I still had nautilus-open-terminal installed to get it)
[08:21] <seb128> didrocks, they all come from git but from trunk
[08:22] <seb128> since upstream did only commit to trunk for a month
[08:22] <seb128> then did backporting the day of 3.2.1 to gnome-3-2
[08:22] <seb128> it's possible that I did backport stuff they forgot ;-)
[08:22] <didrocks> ah, seems they didn't backport everything then :)
[08:22] <didrocks> right
[08:23] <tjaalton> mvo: hey, update-manager crashes here when I click 'apply updates'
[08:23] <seb128> didrocks, pitti: was robert_ancell online today? do you know what are his plans for a lightdm SRU?
[08:23] <tjaalton> mvo: (oneiric)
[08:23] <mvo> tjaalton: what is the error?
[08:23] <didrocks> seb128: I didn't see him speaking
[08:23] <seb128> ok
[08:23] <tjaalton> mvo: dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ChildExited: Launch helper exited with unknown return code 1
[08:24] <tjaalton> mvo: well, it doesn't crash, but hang
[08:28] <mvo> tjaalton: oh, *ick* could you enable apport please? and/or run "sudo aptd -t  -r" and see if that prints anything that looks like a error when you hit apply?
[08:28] <mvo> tjaalton: this smells like aptdaemon (or python-apt, libap) are crashing when u-m ask for the apply
[08:30] <tjaalton> mvo: sure, how exactly do I enable apport? :)
[08:30] <tjaalton> post-release
[08:31] <mvo> tjaalton: just edit /etc/default/apport (or look at the comment there how to just run it without enabling it forever :)
[08:31] <pitti> re
[08:31] <pitti> didrocks: the removal of the hook was precise cleanup; not necessary to SRU this
[08:32] <tjaalton> mvo: ah, done
[08:32] <didrocks> pitti: hum, ok, will diverge then
[08:32] <pitti> seb128: yes, he was
[08:32] <seb128> pitti, if you see him tomorrow can you hint him to SRU what is in 1.0? ;-)
[08:32] <pitti> seb128: he was planning one, yes, just working on some fixes for the 1.0.x release
[08:32] <seb128> pitti, he has enough commit and fixes that he should upload
[08:33] <seb128> pitti, if he keeps adding fixes it will increase the chance there is an issue with the SRU, better to do one now and another one later
[08:33] <seb128> pitti, ok, I will just drop him an email I think, thanks ;-)
[08:33] <seb128> pitti, how are you btw?
[08:33] <tjaalton> mvo: ok, got this http://paste.ubuntu.com/711737/
[08:33] <pitti> seb128: (back in a bit, on the phone)
[08:34] <tjaalton> mvo: so, sounds more like a fallout of something else
[08:35] <mvo> woah
[08:36] <mvo> tjaalton: what is currently running on this system? the default number of connection on the system bus is 5000 nowdays, we could increase this further if its not enough
[08:36] <mvo> tjaalton: fwiw, the old default (back in ~lucid) was 512
[08:36] <tjaalton> mvo: couple of desktop sessions, nothing special
[08:37] <tjaalton> oh and orchestra, though I don't think it would mess things up like this
[08:37] <chrisccoulson> pitti - have you seen the discussion on the upstream bug for bug 867424?
[08:37] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 867424 in firefox "Oneric: On boot up Firefox always displays the “Well, This Is Embarrassing” screen." [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/867424
[08:37] <mvo> tjaalton: could you run sudo dbus-monitor --system to see if there is a lot of traffic ?
[08:37] <chrisccoulson> it's a pain ;)
[08:38] <tjaalton> mvo: mmh, same error
[08:38] <mvo> tjaalton: haha
[08:38] <mvo> tjaalton: I guess d-feet will also not work then?
[08:38] <mvo> tjaalton: that would be interessting too to see what is on the bus
[08:39] <tjaalton> mvo: what params should i give to it?
[08:39] <mvo> tjaalton: d-feet should just start, its a gui, and there is a option to connect to the system or session bus
[08:40] <seb128> mvo, hey
[08:40] <tjaalton> mvo: right.. same error again
[08:40] <mvo> hey seb128
[08:40] <mvo> seb128, pitti: any idea how to ask dbus what is using up all connections on the system bus?
[08:40] <seb128> mvo, is that known that the update-manager "do you want to upgrade to 11.10" dialog, "can you ask me again later" button on natty does nothing?
[08:41] <mvo> seb128: yeah, fix is in natty-updates
[08:41] <mvo> seb128: eh, -proposed
[08:41] <seb128> mvo, ok, I've people in the familly who got confused and asked me what was going on
[08:41] <seb128> mvo, danke
[08:41] <pitti> chrisccoulson: I didn't, no; but I wonder how new that really is -- it did the very same thing in maverick and earlier, too
[08:41] <mvo> seb128: yeah, sorry for that :/
[08:41] <pitti> I just got used to click on the "restore" button at each session start
[08:41] <seb128> mvo, no worry, I know how it goes ;-)
[08:42] <pitti> seb128: I'm quite well, thanks! how about you?
[08:42] <pitti> seb128: I'm doing some udisks2 hacking these days
[08:42] <seb128> pitti, I'm fine, my start of cold is stable and light ;-)
[08:42] <mvo> seb128: you got a cold? and you bring it to uds?
[08:42] <pitti> seb128: this is a weird thing -- I had a kind of a cold for a whole week a week ago, and it never seemed to outbreak completely
[08:43] <pitti> like a cold spread out over two weeks
[08:43] <pitti> heard from several people who also had this
[08:43] <pitti> cold viruses are mutating apparently :)
[08:43] <pitti> mvo: you could check in d-feet?
[08:43] <seb128> yeah, I like it better this way :p
[08:44] <pitti> mvo: presumably there's some buggy program which uses up hundreds of connections?
[08:44] <seb128> mvo, don't worry it will be over before UDS ;-)
[08:46] <mvo> pitti: see above, tjaalton actually is the one with no dbus pipes left and d-feet does not let him connect anymore, nor does dbus-monitor (which sucks when you want to debug what the problem is :)
[08:49] <mvo> tjaalton: what do you see with "lsof /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket" ? does that give you a huge number of lines?
[08:50] <pitti> mvo, tjaalton: hm, perhaps /proc/<pid of daemon>/fd/ and lsof gives some info here?
[08:50] <tjaalton> mvo: yep
[08:50] <mvo> tjaalton: how many? just curious, I got 56 on my box
[08:50] <tjaalton> mvo: though only 311
[08:51] <mvo> tjaalton: and its all dbus-daemon, right? no trace of what connects to it from the other side?
[08:51] <tjaalton> mvo: yes
[08:56] <mvo> tjaalton: hrm, anything useful in netstat -x -p? that should give you the pairs of dbus-daemon and what is connected to them
[08:57] <tjaalton> mvo: aha! cupsd :)
[08:58] <tjaalton> 241 connections
[08:58] <mvo> !!!
[08:59] <mvo> are you happening to print 241 individual documents ;) ?
[08:59] <mvo> if not, I guess that is a cups bug
[08:59] <tjaalton> heh, no nothing in the queue
[08:59] <mvo> tjaalton: that is probably worth debugging with tkamppeter if he is online
[09:00] <tjaalton> yep, I'll leave it running
[09:00] <mvo> tkamppeter: if/when you around, could you please get in touch with tjaalton to debug a issue where cupsd is holding 241 dbus connection making the bus full and other apps (like update-manager) fail?
[09:01] <tkamppeter> mvo, tjaalton, I am here.
[09:02] <chrisccoulson> nice, my apple magic trackpad has just arrived :)
[09:02] <tkamppeter> mvo, tjaalton, I had never problems with CUPS' D-Bus usage and I have a machine with ~15 physical printers and ~100 queues and it never showed any D-Bus failures.
[09:03] <seb128> chrisccoulson, hey, did you get one for personal use or for debugging? ;-)
[09:03] <tjaalton> tkamppeter: ok, if you have ideas how to dig deeper..
[09:04] <chrisccoulson> seb128, i got it for implementing touch events in firefox
[09:05] <seb128> oh ok
[09:05] <seb128> "fun" ;-)
[09:05] <seb128> chrisccoulson, btw firefox users keep complaining about broken proxy settings because your still use gconf and the gsettings to gconf glue has issues :-(
[09:06] <tkamppeter> tjaalton, you could set CUPS to debug mode and look into /var/log/cups/error_log which D-Bus events are reported, see "CUPS error_log" on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingPrintingProblems.
[09:07] <tkamppeter> I do not know how to monitor-D-Bus events and how D-Bus does debug logging, as I never had problems with D-Bus.
[09:07] <tkamppeter> tjaalton, at least not with a clogged D-Bus.
[09:08] <chrisccoulson> seb128, mozilla bug 682832 ;)
[09:08] <ubot2> Mozilla bug 682832 in Shell Integration "Gnome 3 proxy settings ignored" [Normal,Assigned: ] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=682832
[09:08] <chrisccoulson> seb128, btw, the pin settings in the bluetooth setup don't work :(
[09:08] <chrisccoulson> if i choose "0000" and then try to pair a device, it uses a random pin anywa
[09:08] <chrisccoulson> **anyway
[09:09] <seb128> chrisccoulson, you just won the right to debug bastien's code ;-)
[09:09] <chrisccoulson> lol
[09:10] <seb128> chrisccoulson, so it seems that mozilla bug 611953 got fixed right?
[09:10] <ubot2> Mozilla bug 611953 in Shell Integration "GNOME 3.0 readiness" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=611953
[09:10] <chrisccoulson> seb128, not yet
[09:10] <seb128> chrisccoulson, gsettings is already being used so nothing should block the proxy one?
[09:10] <seb128> hum
[09:11] <seb128> chrisccoulson, well, your 2 patches landed in some vcs
[09:11] <seb128> that was months ago ... didn't that make it to the mainline?
[09:11] <tjaalton> tkamppeter: how do i turn debug mode on? man cupsd shows no options for that
[09:11] <tjaalton> tkamppeter: oh i'll check the link
[09:11] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, but that didn't port the proxy settings to it
[09:11] <chrisccoulson> that didn't show up when i grepped the tree for some reason ;(
[09:11] <seb128> chrisccoulson, right, "<seb128> chrisccoulson, gsettings is already being used so nothing should block the proxy one?"
[09:12] <seb128> i.e it's not blocked as the current comment suggested
[09:12] <chrisccoulson> seb128, the issue karl has is with iterating over all of the schemas when firefox starts
[09:12] <seb128> it "just" needs to be done?
[09:12] <chrisccoulson> yes
[09:12] <seb128> chrisccoulson, right, but that got done now for the background etc
[09:12] <seb128> so adding the proxy shouldn't be much of a difference?
[09:12] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, that only happens when you change the background, rather than at startup though
[09:12] <seb128> chrisccoulson, or said differently "you will fix it for the LTS right?" ;-)
[09:13] <chrisccoulson> yes
[09:13] <seb128> good
[09:13] <seb128> it's a good opportunity to collect UDS beers ;-)
[09:13] <seb128> chrisccoulson, thanks
[09:13] <chrisccoulson> ok, so the bluetooth settings dialog is completely useless. i can't pair my trackpad
[09:13] <seb128> :-(
[09:13] <chrisccoulson> maybe if i try it enough times, it will use 0000? ;)
[09:14] <seb128> it should use 0000 by default
[09:14] <chrisccoulson> oh, it did it now
[09:14] <chrisccoulson> it seems that you need to change the pin settings before selecting the device to pair
[09:14] <chrisccoulson> that's intuitive ;)
[09:15] <chrisccoulson> yay, it works :)
[09:15] <seb128> ;-)
[09:15] <seb128> chrisccoulson, btw I did my after release bug email catchup on thunderbird yesterday
[09:15] <seb128> spent half my day using it
[09:16] <seb128> it has good aspects, but still doens't feel like a GNOME application :-(
[09:16] <tjaalton> yeah, it just works ;)
[09:17] <seb128> it has some pretty frustrating thing as well though
[09:17] <chrisccoulson> is that a bad thing? (not feeling like a gnome application) ;)
[09:17] <seb128> like the default thread view is useless
[09:17] <chrisccoulson> seb128, you need the conversations addon installed
[09:17] <chrisccoulson> :)
[09:17] <seb128> can we install it by default? ;-)
[09:17] <tjaalton> that doesn't work with bugmail
[09:18] <seb128> I also hate the search boxes
[09:18] <seb128> I keep using the top one
[09:18] <seb128> which is not what I want
[09:18] <chrisccoulson> yeah, the search is a bit confusing
[09:18] <seb128> but maybe that's a "getting used to" thing
[09:18] <chrisccoulson> that was highlighted in the user testing though
[09:19] <chrisccoulson> excellent, my flight to berlin is booked :)
[09:19] <seb128> I also wish I could tweak keybindings, is there a way to do that?
[09:19] <chrisccoulson> i'm not sure if there's a way to do that
[09:19] <chrisccoulson> i could probably write an extension to do that ;)
[09:19] <seb128> ok
[09:20] <chrisccoulson> i've never felt the need to change those
[09:20] <seb128> well overall is good, I'm just used to my keybindings I think :p and I don't like the default display only one line by discussion
[09:20] <seb128> especially for bug emails reading :p
[09:21] <seb128> chrisccoulson, well, I got used to delete bug mails I don't care about and "clean" the view by compacting the folder, it's annoying to have to take the mouse and right click for that :-)
[09:21] <chrisccoulson> you should stop reading bug mails ;)
[09:21] <seb128> yeah, maybe I should ;-)
[09:21] <seb128> hey rodrigo_
[09:21] <chrisccoulson> heh
[09:22] <tkamppeter> tjaalton, mvo, I have run dbus-monitor --system and there are only some messages of NM on an idle system, CUPS only shouts if one does something with it, like adding a queue or printing.
[09:22] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: conversations has issues still
[09:22] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: found quite some bug with impossible to remove some threads
[09:22] <didrocks> had to deactivate it :/
[09:22] <didrocks> and it's quite slow
[09:23] <seb128> bah
[09:23] <chrisccoulson> oh, i haven't noticed any speed issues with it
[09:23] <seb128> users, stop reporting bugs against gconf or gconf-editor because you edit GNOME2 keys and that GNOME3 doesn't react to it
[09:23] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: clearly noticeable there, but I have a slow machine, remember? :)
[09:24] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, yeah, i have a SSD + 8GB of RAM here
[09:24] <chrisccoulson> so nothing is slow ;)
[09:24] <didrocks> right
[09:24] <didrocks> apart from that, I like the concept
[09:24] <didrocks> so just need some work to be included
[09:24] <seb128> chrisccoulson, not even building firefox or using unity3d? ;-)
[09:24] <rodrigo_> hello
[09:25] <didrocks> hey rodrigo_
[09:25] <didrocks> session restart, brb
[09:25] <tjaalton> tkamppeter: what are the files in /var/spool/cups/? I have only one queue, but fifty files named c000XX
[09:26] <pitti> yay new gtk3 -- keybindings are back
[09:27] <chrisccoulson> seb128, building firefox is quick
[09:27] <tkamppeter> tjaalton, this is the job history. If you open the job viewer of system-config-printer and switch to already printed jobs you see the jobs represented by these files.
[09:27] <chrisccoulson> running unity3d eventually slows down to a crawl after a few hours though (esp when dragging windows)
[09:27] <chrisccoulson> but i use mostly 2d anyway ;)
[09:27] <seb128> heh
[09:28] <chrisccoulson> it seems more suited to my limited graphics hardware
[09:28] <seb128> hum, impressive number of srus today
[09:28] <tkamppeter> tjaalton, I have also around 50 of them. They do not seem to generates D-Bus shouts as long as no one asks.
[09:28] <tjaalton> tkamppeter: right, was just curious
[09:32] <tkamppeter> rodrigo_, hi
[09:33] <rodrigo_> hi tkamppeter
[09:34] <chrisccoulson> seb128, are you still on oneiric btw?
[09:34] <seb128> chrisccoulson, "still"
[09:34] <seb128> I intend to stay on Oneiric until after UDS
[09:34] <chrisccoulson> ol
[09:34] <chrisccoulson> seb128, are you using https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/firefox-next ?
[09:34] <seb128> we need to get SRUs through for a bit ;-)
[09:35]  * pitti traditionally upgrades on UFS Friday evening
[09:35] <seb128> chrisccoulson, no, I don't use ppas
[09:35] <tkamppeter> rodrigo_, pitti, it is about bug 874268. The user complains that the new tool complains about missing packages and that he can only set up printers via the LPD protocol. Will you fix the tool or should we switch GNOME shell users to s-c-p?
[09:35] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 874268 in system-config-printer "system-config-printer not reachable in menus of GNOME shell" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/874268
[09:35] <chrisccoulson> seb128, you should do ;)
[09:35] <chrisccoulson> the beta releases are the next security update
[09:35] <pitti> chrisccoulson: I'M on that
[09:35] <seb128> chrisccoulson, do you need testing?
[09:35] <chrisccoulson> pitti - cool :)
[09:35] <rodrigo_> tkamppeter, looking
[09:35] <seb128> chrisccoulson, can do
[09:36] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, i want to get people on stable releases using the beta channel as their normal browser really :)
[09:36] <chrisccoulson> but we should take the opportunity to use it before upgrading to precise
[09:36] <seb128> tkamppeter, do you plan to switch to the GNOME printing tools next cycle or is it still missing features?
[09:36] <pitti> chrisccoulson: it still annoys me with that test extension upgrade message box each time, with the unclickable "update" button
[09:36] <pitti> chrisccoulson: otherwise it's working fine
[09:36] <seb128> chrisccoulson, ok
[09:36] <chrisccoulson> pitti - oh, you shouldn't get that everytime. which box is it (as there's more than one type of box on upgrade now)?
[09:36] <chrisccoulson> could you take a screenshot?
[09:37] <pitti> chrisccoulson: hang on, screen shooting
[09:37] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[09:37] <tkamppeter> seb128, this is still to investigate and also needs work by upstream. s-c-p has a D-Bus service now to expose its algorithmic parts for other printer setup tools. What GNOME upstream has to do is to pick up this interface and use s-c-p's functionality in the new printer tool.
[09:38] <seb128> tkamppeter, do you plan to investigate before UDS?
[09:38] <seb128> tkamppeter, we should know early what is missing and if we can add it ourself next cycle
[09:38] <tkamppeter> seb128, should we perhaps do a UDS session? Is one of the appropriate upstreams on UDS?
[09:39] <pitti> chrisccoulson: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/tmp/ffox-testpilot-extension.png
[09:40] <seb128> tkamppeter, we can do an UDS session but nobody will have a better clue there, somebody needs to compare both tools in their current version and see what is missing before UDS
[09:40] <seb128> tkamppeter, so at the session we can decide if we try to get the missing things done or stay on s-c-p agan
[09:41] <tkamppeter> seb128, how does one start the new GNOME print tool from the command line?
[09:41] <rodrigo_> tkamppeter, mkasik is working on making it have all missing features for next version, AFAIK
[09:41] <seb128> tkamppeter, upstream will likely say that the upstream version has what is required, we might disagree because we want i.e non free drivers download to work
[09:41] <chrisccoulson> pitti - oh, you can just turn off the Feedback extension to disable that. i'm not sure why i don't get the same issue here :/
[09:41] <rodrigo_> tkamppeter, gnome-control-center printers
[09:42] <pitti> chrisccoulson: I disabled it, restarted, re-enabled, restarted again now
[09:42] <pitti> chrisccoulson: seems the dialog is gone noe
[09:42] <pitti> now
[09:42] <pitti> chrisccoulson: I don't mind it being on
[09:42] <seb128> rodrigo_, tkamppeter: rather "XDG_CURRENT_DESTKOP= gnome-control-center printers"
[09:42] <seb128> if you are under unity
[09:42] <rodrigo_> seb128, oh yes
[09:42] <seb128> rodrigo_, we need to stop with this "GNOME said they will fix all the world issue in the next version", that's not pragmatic ;-)
[09:42] <pitti> chrisccoulson: ah, I spoke too soon -- it's back
[09:43] <rodrigo_> seb128, I am just saying what the plans are for this specific tool :)
[09:43] <chrisccoulson> pitti -  i think it's because of the way that we bundle test pilot in the betas. we don't provide a way for it to auto-update from addons.mozilla.org
[09:43] <rodrigo_> not saying it's going to happen 100% sure
[09:43] <seb128> rodrigo_, right, still we can decide what to use on "GNOME said they will get everything done" ;-)
[09:43] <pitti> chrisccoulson: ah; I keep it disabled for now
[09:44] <seb128> rodrigo_, can -> can't
[09:44] <rodrigo_> no, we should fix them ourselves
[09:44] <seb128> rodrigo_, especially that they said they don't want things like binary drivers downloads since that's not free software enough
[09:44] <rodrigo_> yeah, that's something we really need
[09:44] <rodrigo_> but who said that?
[09:44] <seb128> rodrigo_, right, do you sign to fix it as well as the region capplet and all the other things you have to do? ;-)
[09:45] <rodrigo_> seb128, I do :)
[09:45] <seb128> rodrigo_, that was discussed before previous UDS, some of redhat guys said they don't want code to support non-free drivers
[09:45] <rodrigo_> hmm, the situation has changed AFAICS, will talk to mkasik later
[09:46] <tkamppeter> rodrigo_, does not work on my boxes, I get only the main window. Only way to get the printer tool is if I log into an Oneiric box via SSH and then I do not have access to admin functions as PolicyKit does not work through SSH. Is there an env variable so that I can access the printer tool when I am in a local terminal on a Unity desktop?
[09:46] <rodrigo_> tkamppeter, you're running Unity? if so, you need to do the XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP thing seb128 wrote above
[09:46] <rodrigo_> XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=GNOME gnome-control-center printers
[09:48] <tkamppeter> rodrigo_, thanks, works.
[09:48] <tkamppeter> rodrigo_, but "+" button does nothing.
[09:48] <seb128> click unlock
[09:48] <seb128> it's on the top right
[09:49] <seb128> that's a bot confusing...
[09:49] <seb128> bit
[09:49] <tjaalton> mvo, tkamppeter: uh oh, I was barking at the wrong tree.. read the netstat output the wrong way, so while cupsd has 241 sockets open, dbus-daemon has 576 and there's one connection that it showing up many times (144)
[09:49] <seb128> rodrigo_, btw you just won a stack of proxy issues, could you just look at those to see which ones are duplicates and triage them a bit, we will likely need srus for those
[09:50] <seb128> rodrigo_, did you also see my ping yesterday about the segfault bug in the locale handling code which is on your list for a while?
[09:50] <rodrigo_> seb128, hmm, no didn't see it
[09:50] <rodrigo_> about the proxy issues, did you assign the bugs to me?
[09:51] <seb128> rodrigo_, not sure what you work on but if that's next cycle work can you do a round of SRU work today or tomorrow? we need to land some fixes in Oneiric
[09:51] <tkamppeter> seb128, there is no "Unlock" at the upper right.
[09:51] <seb128> tkamppeter, can you take a screenshot of the dialog?
[09:51] <mvo> tjaalton: what program is having the 144 one open?
[09:51] <seb128> rodrigo_, yes I did
[09:51] <tjaalton> mvo: actually it's my session, so that's not it :/
[09:52] <rodrigo_> seb128, ok, looking
[09:52] <seb128> rodrigo_, thanks
[09:52] <rodrigo_> seb128, I'm working on g-s-d and g-c-c updates
[09:52] <seb128> rodrigo_, ok, feel free to prioritize as you feel it
[09:52] <seb128> i.e get 3.2.1 out first if you want then look at those for the next upload
[09:53] <seb128> or try to get those in the same upload
[09:53] <seb128> your call
[09:53] <seb128> ;-)
[09:53] <seb128> rodrigo_, thanks
[09:53] <rodrigo_> will try to get all in 1 upload
[09:54] <rodrigo_> dpm, ping
[09:54] <xclaesse> seb128, if I set lightdm to autologin it will always go to unity
[09:54] <xclaesse> it won't remember that I wanted GNOME session
[09:54] <seb128> xclaesse, it's fixed in trunk and in the stable serie, will get a stable update with the fix
[09:54] <seb128> xclaesse, you can edit the session in /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf as a workaround
[09:54] <xclaesse> seb128, oh great
[09:55] <xclaesse> perfect !
[09:55] <dpm> buenas rodrigo_
[09:55] <rodrigo_> hola dpm
[09:55] <xclaesse> seb128,  thanks, that saves my demo :D
[09:55] <seb128> yw ;-)
[09:55] <rodrigo_> dpm, do you remember the translations we added to g-c-c package?
[09:55] <dpm> rodrigo_, ah, yeah, you can drop the patch now
[09:55] <rodrigo_> dpm, I was wondering if we can remove them now from the patch, or not yet?
[09:55] <xclaesse> (how could I demo a touchscreen if it stuck into login with no keyboard to type the password :p)
[09:55] <rodrigo_> dpm, ok cool, it didn't apply cleanly anymore :D
[09:56] <dpm> ok, sorted, then :)
[09:56] <mvo> tjaalton: meh :/ I need to go for lunch soonish, maybe we can try to poke at it a bit after that?
[09:57] <tjaalton> mvo: yeah
[09:59] <xclaesse> seb128, I guess I need to modify autologin-session but what do I set for gnome?
[09:59] <xclaesse> tried just "gnome" but still going to unity
[09:59] <seb128> xclaesse, http://askubuntu.com/questions/62833/how-do-i-change-the-default-session-for-lightdm-when-using-auto-logins
[10:00] <seb128> try "gnome-shell"
[10:04] <xclaesse> seb128, no, still unity :(
[10:05] <seb128> xclaesse, can you copy your lightdm.conf content there?
[10:05] <seb128> do you have a .dmrc?
[10:06] <tkamppeter> seb128, screenshot on its way by e-mail.
[10:06] <seb128> tkamppeter, got it
[10:06] <seb128> tkamppeter, is your user an admin one?
[10:06] <xclaesse> yep there is a .dmrc with session=ubuntu
[10:06] <tkamppeter> seb128, yes.
[10:07] <seb128> tkamppeter, dunno then
[10:07] <xclaesse> seb128, lightdm.conf also has user-session=ubuntu
[10:07] <seb128> xclaesse, try changing that one to gnome-shell
[10:07] <seb128> those then
[10:07] <xclaesse> I only modified the autologin-session to be gnome-shell. I'll modify them all now to see
[10:07] <tkamppeter> rodrigo_, do you have any idea for me to get the GNOME printer tool to work?
[10:10] <xclaesse> seb128, thanks, working now
[10:10] <seb128> xclaesse, yw
[10:10] <seb128> tkamppeter, run it with sudo as a workaround?
[10:11] <rodrigo_> tkamppeter, I am looking at it, I think there's a fix for that in 3.2.1, testing now
[10:11] <tjaalton> mvo: huh, restarting cups reduced the number of connections to /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket from 311 to 70, which matches the number of cupsd sockets (241) that were open
[10:13] <tkamppeter> till@till-desktop:~$ XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=GNOME sudo gnome-control-center printers
[10:13] <tkamppeter> (gnome-control-center:31709): printers-cc-panel-WARNING **: Your system does not have the cups-pk-helper's policy "org.opensuse.cupspkhelper.mechanism.all-edit" installed. Please check your installation
[10:13] <tkamppeter> seb128, rodrigo_: ^^
[10:14] <seb128> tkamppeter, install what it recommends?
[10:15] <seb128> tkamppeter, i.e cups-pk-helper is not installed for you it seems
[10:15] <seb128> it's required by the GNOME tools
[10:15] <tkamppeter> seb128, I had no cups-pk-helper. I have installed it now and it works (4 Oneiric boxes, so its easy to have different stuff installed).
[10:16] <seb128> right, we don't install it by default since we use system-config-printer
[10:16] <rodrigo_> tkamppeter, yes, you need that
[10:16] <rodrigo_> tkamppeter, does it work now for you?
[10:16] <tkamppeter> seb128, we can install it by default now, even as SRU for Oneiric, as from Oneiric on s-c-p is fixed to be compatible with cups-pk-helper.
[10:17] <seb128> tkamppeter, ok, thanks
[10:17] <tkamppeter> rodrigo_, now it works.
[10:17] <rodrigo_> ok
[10:18] <rodrigo_> bug 864618
[10:18] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 864618 in gnome-control-center "sets $LANG to a language name" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/864618
[10:19] <tkamppeter> rodrigo_, I can set up a new USB printer now, but I cannot enter or change its queue name and I cannot change the default settings for it. "Options" only allows to set users who allowed to use it.
[10:19] <rodrigo_> tkamppeter, yes
[10:20] <tkamppeter> rodrigo_, found out at least now how to change the name.
[10:21] <tkamppeter> rodrigo_, but it does not actually works, gives "printers-cc-panel-WARNING **: client-error-not-authorized" on the calling console. Changing location works though.
[10:23] <tkamppeter> rodrigo_, "-" deletes a print queue without confirmation.
[10:23] <rodrigo_> tkamppeter, yeah, right
[10:24] <seb128> tkamppeter, you better play with it for a bit and takes notes on what work and note and send the summary maybe to the desktop list
[10:24] <seb128> tkamppeter, I wrote a "[Desktop12.04-Topic] gnome-control-center printing capplet vs system-config-printer" email for the UDS topic, maybe reply to it?
[10:24] <seb128> it will be better than IRC comments
[10:25] <seb128> especially that I'm not sure rodrigo_ has worked a lot on the printing capplet code and knows about its design off hand ;-)
[10:25] <tkamppeter> seb128, I did not see this e-mail, on which list is it?
[10:25] <seb128> tkamppeter, ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com
[10:25] <seb128> tkamppeter, it was sent on octobre 4
[10:25] <tkamppeter> seb128, I am not subscribed to that. Did not know that it even exists.
[10:26] <seb128> tkamppeter, it's the official Ubuntu Desktop list for some years...
[10:26] <rodrigo_> tkamppeter, yes, I haven't worked much on the printers panel
[10:26] <seb128> tkamppeter, see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2011-October/003216.html
[10:28] <tkamppeter> seb128, no one told me. I have subscribed now but no answer, seems that members get selected manually.
[10:31] <chrisccoulson> tseliot, do you remember me mentioning an issue with my laptop a few weeks ago where it fakes a video-mode keypress when I dock it, which screws up the display configuration?
[10:31] <tseliot> chrisccoulson: of course I do, it was too weird to forget ;)
[10:32] <seb128> tkamppeter, no, you should get an answer, it's a public list
[10:32] <chrisccoulson> tseliot, i'm not sure if you're the right person to ask actually, but is there any way we can get a confirmation from dell that this is expected?
[10:32] <chrisccoulson> we're probably going to work around it by ignoring the keypress for some duration after the display configuration changes
[10:33] <chrisccoulson> but want to make sure we're not hiding another bug first
[10:34] <tseliot> chrisccoulson: let's discuss it on another channel
[10:34] <tkamppeter> seb128, rodrigo_ we should create a Blueprint for gnome-3-print vs. system-config-printer second attempt.
[10:34] <chrisccoulson> sure, np :)
[10:39] <dpm> hey all. If I want a bug to be looked at for a default package with no maintainer, shall I just assign it to ubuntu-desktop?
[10:43] <tkamppeter> rodrigo_, seb128, how do we proceed with bug 874268 for Oneiric? Once I have stopped an SRU upload of s-c-p for it and second, the GNOME printer tool is not very usable currently. Especially it can even happen that it does not create a requested print queue and does not give any error message.
[10:43] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 874268 in system-config-printer "system-config-printer not reachable in menus of GNOME shell" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/874268
[10:44] <rodrigo_> mdeslaur, ping
[10:46] <rodrigo_> tkamppeter, it seems to work for simple scenarios, at least for me
[10:47] <rodrigo_> tkamppeter, it detects local printers, not much remote ones though
[10:47] <rodrigo_> tkamppeter, but I think it's because we're missing something, hence the 'firewalld ...' message it shows
[10:48] <tkamppeter> rodrigo_, it seems that upstream has based this warning on distro-specific package names. Do not know of which distro.
[10:49] <rodrigo_> fedora for sure
[10:49] <rodrigo_> although I think it's just service names, not package names
[10:50] <tkamppeter> rodrigo_, a possible SRU to get basic functionality of the GNOME3 tool working is to make it depend on the cups-pk-helper package, as normal users would never come to the idea that cups-pk-helpers is missing. And it seems to be a common case on updates from Natty that it is not installed, probably as we have somehow worked against its installation on Natty to assure that s-c-p works.
[10:51] <rodrigo_> tkamppeter, we can't depend on it, as it0s not on the CD
[10:51] <rodrigo_> tkamppeter, I think we recommend it, let me check
[10:51] <rodrigo_> no we don't
[10:51] <seb128> rodrigo_, tkamppeter: bug #871985
[10:51] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 871985 in gnome-control-center "The printing panel shouldn't display errors about firewalld not running" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/871985
[10:51] <tkamppeter> rodrigo_, with this we could accept it for the gnome-shell users.
[10:52] <tkamppeter> rodrigo_, as an SRU comes to the user only through the internet, why has cups-pk-helper to be on the CD?
[10:53] <rodrigo_> ah, if we can do that on an SRU, that'd be cool
[10:53] <rodrigo_> can we really do it?
[10:54] <tkamppeter> pitti, can we do an SRU on g-c-c to depend on cups-pk-helper so that the printing capplet works? cups-pk-helper is not on the CD, but SRUs come through the internet anyway.
[10:54] <tkamppeter> rodrigo_, asking the oracle ...
[10:54] <rodrigo_> :)
[10:57] <tkamppeter> rodrigo_, seb128, finally got the confirmation message from the list, seems that a sys admin has given a kick to the server ... No I am subscribed.
[10:57] <pitti> tkamppeter: no, because it's in universe
[10:57] <pitti> it would become uninstallable
[10:57] <pitti> tkamppeter, rodrigo_: do we really need it for unity?
[10:58] <pitti> it seems easier/better to add it as a depends to gnome-shell?
[10:58] <pitti> for an SRU, anyway
[10:58] <tkamppeter> pitti, seb128, rodrigo_, how do we fix bug 874268 for Oneiric then? Wan
[10:58] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 874268 in system-config-printer "system-config-printer not reachable in menus of GNOME shell" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/874268
[10:59] <rodrigo_> tkamppeter, I thought we agreed yesterday to leave it open for a fix in P, right?
[11:00] <pitti> tkamppeter: as I said, add the recommends to gnome-shell?
[11:00] <pitti> rodrigo_: ^
[11:00] <tkamppeter> rodrigo_, OK, so if users complain I simply tell them personally to start system-config-printer on the command line.
[11:01] <rodrigo_> tkamppeter, yes, not sure what else we can do, apart from fixing the issues in the printers panel
[11:02] <rodrigo_> seb128, pitti: for SRU's, again need a reminder, so we file a SRU bug (if there's none), subscribe ubuntu-sru to it, and upload the package to the queue, right?
[11:02] <pitti> rodrigo_: yes; please use the actual bug, don't create a synthetic "SRU" bug
[11:03] <rodrigo_> pitti, for g-s-d I've created a SRU bug, since there was none
[11:03] <rodrigo_> pitti, should I close that one?
[11:03] <pitti> rodrigo_, tkamppeter: if we only need cups-pk-helper under shell, then let's add the dep there
[11:03] <pitti> rodrigo_: that's fine
[11:03] <rodrigo_> ok
[11:03] <rodrigo_> pitti, yes, that sounds better
[11:07] <rodrigo_> bug 877326
[11:07] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 877326 in gnome-settings-daemon "SRU: Update to 3.2.1 upstream release" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/877326
[11:07] <tkamppeter> rodrigo_, will you do the rest then? Thanks.
[11:08] <rodrigo_> tkamppeter, I don't have permissions for universe upload, do you?
[11:12] <tkamppeter> rodrigo_, yes. So e-mail me what I should sponsor.
[11:12] <rodrigo_> tkamppeter, just add cups-pk-helper to Depends in gnome-shell's debian/control
[11:12] <tkamppeter> pitti, so the next s-c-p SRU does nopt need a part for gnome-shell, so I will re-upload the SRU which you have rejected on Friday. Please accept it.
[11:13] <tkamppeter> rodrigo_, OK.
[11:13] <pitti> tkamppeter: ok
[11:15] <tkamppeter> rodrigo_, and tell me the bug number(s) to mention in debian/changelog.
[11:17] <rodrigo_> tkamppeter, we don't have 1 for this already, AFAIK
[11:19] <tkamppeter> rodrigo_, than open one now, otherwise I cannot continue. Ubuntu SRU managers need to know to which bug an upload belongs.
[11:21] <tkamppeter> pitti, s-c-p SRU re-uploaded.
[11:22] <rodrigo_> tkamppeter, can't you open it yourself?
[11:22] <tkamppeter> rodrigo_, OK, no problem, will do so.
[11:22] <rodrigo_> tkamppeter, ok, thanks
[11:24] <rodrigo_> I'm going to look at the firewalld thing, maybe we can easily fix it
[11:25] <seb128> rodrigo_, upstream said he was going to look on it
[11:25] <seb128> rodrigo_, see the bugzilla corresponding to the bug I pointed befor
[11:25] <rodrigo_> seb128, yes, but for 3.3, right?
[11:25] <seb128> well, we can probably cherry pick the fix once he got it
[11:26] <rodrigo_> I am trying to fix it to use other thing, instead of fedora's firewalld dbus service
[11:26] <seb128> rodrigo_, let's try to get the g-c-c sru out, the locale segfault issue sorted and the proxy bugs looked at first please, those concern the default install and most our users
[11:26] <rodrigo_> ok
[11:27] <seb128> rodrigo_, we can deal with people using the non default tools later
[11:27] <seb128> thanks
[11:28] <seb128> pitti, oh, it's meeting day, good catch ;-)
[11:28] <seb128> I zapped that completly this week
[11:29] <pitti> and it's lunch time, bbl
[11:29] <seb128> just back from lunch there
[11:29] <seb128> pitti, enjoy
[11:31] <jbicha> good morning/afternoon
[11:32] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, one thing which sucks about having a SSD is not having enough space
[11:32] <chrisccoulson> i struggled with my old laptop, and i struggle even more with this one
[11:33] <chrisccoulson> i really don't want to have to delete my fully build mozilla-central checkout
[11:33] <chrisccoulson> **fully built
[11:33] <didrocks> good morning jbicha
[11:36] <seb128> hey jbicha, how are you?
[11:42] <cyphermox> good mornin
[11:46] <mdeslaur> rodrigo_: yes?
[11:48] <jjardon> mpt: hey, about https://code.launchpad.net/~jjardon/indicator-datetime/fix-833337/+merge/79332 ,  I didnt get any message
[11:49] <mpt> jjardon, ok, I just sent it again
[11:49] <mpt> (@gnome.org)
[11:50] <rodrigo_> mdeslaur, nothing now, was going to ask you to make sure the 49_fix_suspend_media_key.patch patch in g-s-d could be removed
[11:50] <rodrigo_> mdeslaur, it looked a bit different from the upstream fix, but I've double checked and it can be removed, it's the same fix
[11:50] <mdeslaur> rodrigo_: yes, I saw a similar patch commited in git
[11:50] <rodrigo_> ok then, just wanted to triple check with you
[11:51] <mdeslaur> rodrigo_: cool, thanks
[11:51] <jjardon> mpt: thanks!
[11:51] <rodrigo_> hmm, what's the command for adding a new locale? I don't remember...
[11:51] <rodrigo_> ah, locale-gen!
[11:56] <tkamppeter> pitti, reuploaded s-c-p after rebuild. From the first upload only white noise was left over.
[12:09] <xclaesse> is it just me or oneirici's grub now has debian theme instead of ubuntu's ?
[12:12] <seb128> xclaesse, grub or grub2? we use grub2 for a while and it doesn't have debian theming that I can see
[12:12] <seb128> but maybe you have a local config for theming or something
[12:22] <xclaesse> seb128, grub2 yes
[12:22] <xclaesse> seb128, did not config anything
[12:23] <xclaesse> seb128, I've just installed a new computer
[12:23] <seb128> where do you see some debian theming?
[12:23] <xclaesse> installed nvidia-current and gnome-desktop-environement as extra stuff
[12:23] <xclaesse> that's it
[12:23] <xclaesse> seb128, I reboot and the grub menu is showing debian logo
[12:24] <seb128> grub shouldn't display if you don't press a key to start
[12:24] <xclaesse> seb128, there is windows installed, so it is displayed by default ;)
[12:24] <seb128> grub there on my test box which has a fresh oneiric has no image
[12:25] <seb128> it's only text
[12:25] <seb128> dunno
[12:25] <seb128> cjwatson, ^ do you know what could lead grub to have a debian logo on Ubuntu?
[12:25] <xclaesse> got that since a few weeks on my laptop but didn't say anything because I've lots of stuff hacked there... but now that I see that on fresh install, clearly an ubuntu bug ;)
[12:26] <xclaesse> seb128, I think it appear if you regenerate your initd stuff
[12:26] <xclaesse> as when you install new kernel
[12:26] <xclaesse> because it did that for nvidia driver
[12:27] <seb128> could be that you got some debian artwork package pulled in or something
[12:27] <xclaesse> s/initd/initrd or whatever is those stuff called/
[12:27] <seb128> but I don't know, maybe cjwatson can help you there when he's around
[12:27] <xclaesse> seb128, ok... I don't care myself, just letting you know
[12:27] <xclaesse> not the best branding....
[12:27] <seb128> ok
[12:28] <seb128> yeah, I just can't confirm ;-) and we would have notice, my bet is that something pulled in some debian artwork package when you installed GNOME
[12:28] <seb128> but I'm not sure
[12:28] <xclaesse> seb128, yep probably, since gnome-shell desktop is not tested anymore by you guys
[12:31]  * Sweetshark just realizes its a few days into the release and nobody is missing libreoffice-mono at all.
[12:31] <Sweetshark> good sign.
[12:32] <chrisccoulson> libreoffice-what? ;)
[12:36]  * rodrigo_ lunch
[12:38] <jjardon> mpt: new proposed branch: https://code.launchpad.net/~jjardon/indicator-datetime/fix_833337/+merge/79679
[12:40] <mpt> jjardon, thank you :-)
[12:42] <mpt> jjardon, removing the "DBUSMENU_MENUITEM_PROP_ENABLED, TRUE" means they no longer behave as radio items?
[12:46] <tkamppeter> pitti, rodrigo_ seb128, SRU for gnome-shell to require cups-pk-helper uploaded, bug 877367.
[12:47] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 877367 in gnome-shell "[SRU Oneiric] gnome-shell users get GNOME3's new printer setup tool by default and this tool needs cups-pk-helper" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/877367
[12:47] <pitti> tkamppeter: thanks
[12:47] <jjardon> mpt: DBUSMENU_MENUITEM_PROP_ENABLED represent whether the menuitem is clickable or not
[12:47] <jjardon> mpt: you mean TIMEZONE_MENUITEM_PROP_RADIO ?
[12:47] <tkamppeter> pitti, can you approve the SRU for s-c-p, it is up again now, bug 872991.
[12:47] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 872991 in system-config-printer "printer Hp 1320 needs Generic PCL 5e driver to work properly" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/872991
[12:48] <mpt> jjardon, ah, right. That's what I was looking for.
[12:48] <jjardon> mpt: but yes, there is not radio menu items any more
[12:48] <mpt> jjardon, good
[12:49] <CarlFK> alt installer, I run su juser -c "gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.screensaver idle-activation-enabled false",
[12:50] <CarlFK> boot system, juser@kasp:~$ gsettings get org.gnome.desktop.screensaver idle-activation-enabled; see true
[12:50] <CarlFK> I am back in the installer now, log shows
[12:50] <CarlFK>  Command line `dbus-launch --autolaunch=23ebe9869679dfd4566f95c5000004f5 --binary-syntax --close-stderr' exited with non-zero exit status 1: Autolaunch error: X11 initialization failed.\n
[12:53] <seb128> CarlFK, seems the dbus-launch doesn't work for some reason
[13:07] <mvo> chrisccoulson: hi, I have a vague memory that you know about the screensaver ;) so I wonder why gnome-screensaver does not seems to honor XResetScreenSaver() ?or should it?
[13:11] <chrisccoulson> mvo - hmm, i think it's more than gnome-screensaver involved there
[13:11] <chrisccoulson> what's the context?
[13:12] <mvo> chrisccoulson: I want to poke the screensaver during a release upgrade in a reliable way
[13:12] <mvo> chrisccoulson: and also without having to write different code for gnome/kde/xscreensaver
[13:13] <mvo> chrisccoulson: but it appears (from my tests) that gnome-screensaver does not honor the XResetScreensaver call
[13:15] <chrisccoulson> does XResetScreensaver reset the idletime counter in the xserver?
[13:16] <tjaalton> mvo, tkamppeter: so it is cupsd causing the d-bus problems here. for instance, every time I do a show/unshow cycle of the finished jobs on system-config-printer I get a new dbus connection by cupsd
[13:17] <tjader> Hello. gnome-terminal seems to be grabbing my mouse focus sometimes since I updated to 11.10
[13:17] <tjader> The pointer moves, but clicks don't work and windows don't receive mouse movement events. Killing gnome-terminal makes it start working again
[13:18] <tjaalton> tkamppeter, mvo: seems to be related to avahi
[13:20] <tjaalton> tkamppeter: every time I get a "Avahi client state: 1" in the error_log, a new dbus connection is created
[13:20] <Laney> cyphermox: seen http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2011/10/msg00432.html ?
[13:21] <Laney> hah
[13:21]  * Laney spots -devel
[13:21] <Laney> soz
[13:21] <cyphermox> Laney: aye
[13:21] <cyphermox> :)
[13:25] <mvo> chrisccoulson: well, I have not looked at the code, but I think that is what its supposed to do
[13:37] <rodrigo_> bug 861158
[13:37] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 861158 in banshee "After reverting to "no proxy" /system/http_proxy/use_http_proxy in gconf stays activated. i" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/861158
[13:39] <rodrigo_> can someone please sponsor https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/banshee/+bug/861158 ?
[13:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 861158 in banshee "After reverting to "no proxy" /system/http_proxy/use_http_proxy in gconf stays activated. i" [Low,Confirmed]
[13:40] <rodrigo_> I don't have permissions for banshee upload
[13:40] <chrisccoulson> mvo - i'll try and figure out how this is meant to work after i've had some lunch
[13:41] <chrisccoulson> we have a distro-patch for gnome-screensaver to let you poke the screensaver, which uses XResetScreensaver, and that worked at some point
[13:41] <mvo> chrisccoulson: thanks, great, I would really like to have a single way of doing it that works for all x11/kde/gnome if possible
[13:41] <chrisccoulson> i'm not sure if it does now though
[13:41] <rodrigo_> brb
[13:41] <mvo> chrisccoulson: thanks, I dig some more while you have lunch! enjoy
[13:45] <mvo> chrisccoulson: for when you are back, the patch is still there, but --poke is gnoe from the gnome-screensaver-command :/
[13:46] <chrisccoulson> mvo - oh, that's not good :(
[13:49] <mpt> mvo, hi. Is there a page other than <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UpgradeTestingProcess> (last updated in 2008!) describing who does the testing, and what kind of testing, of upgrades from one release to the next?
[13:49] <chrisccoulson> mvo - ah, it seems like nothing uses that directly. xdg-screensaver uses the SimulateUserActivity dbus method directly
[13:49] <mpt> http://qa.ubuntu.com/testing/ doesn't mention upgrades in particular
[13:51] <mvo> mpt: I don't know of anything else, no
[13:52] <mvo> chrisccoulson: thanks, I try xdg-screensaver now
[13:56]  * mpt finds ubuntu.com/testing inviting him to test Ubuntu 11.10 alpha 1
[14:14] <seb128> pitti, do we need gamin in main still btw?
[14:14] <pitti> seb128: gnome-vfs
[14:14] <seb128> we should just build gnome-vfs without it and demote it
[14:14] <pitti> seb128: oh, we can?
[14:14] <seb128> who is using gnome-vfs for filemonitor on nfs?
[14:14] <pitti> seb128: I'm currently committing our remaining changes to Debian
[14:15] <dobey> who is still using gnome-vfs?
[14:15] <pitti> seb128: nothing; if we can get rid of this beast, so much the better
[14:15] <pitti> dobey: libreoffice
[14:15] <dobey> eww
[14:15] <dobey> just demote libreoffice too :)
[14:15] <pitti> seb128: anyway, I'm about to do a new debian upload and sync
[14:15] <dobey> abiword has a gtk3 port coming soon ;)
[14:16] <seb128> pitti, AC_ARG_ENABLE(fam, [  --disable-fam          build without enabling fam for file system monitoring],
[14:16] <pitti> yay -- away with it!
[14:16] <seb128> ;-)
[14:17] <pedro_> omg i've read gaim instead of gamin
[14:17] <pitti> Sweetshark: is there any chance that LibO will move away from gnome-vfs?
[14:17]  * pedro_ feels old
[14:17] <pitti> pedro_: which of the two makes you feel less old?
[14:17]  * pitti blows off the dust from both and coughs heavily
[14:18] <seb128> pedro_, hola! ;-)
[14:18] <Sweetshark> pitti: seb128 asked that before.
[14:18] <pedro_> pitti, lol
[14:19] <Sweetshark> pitti: I really gotta check if anyone has that on the agenda ..
[14:19] <seb128> pitti, Sweetshark said it was up to you to raise the priority of that workitem or to give him extra resources ;-)
[14:19] <pedro_> seb128, hey! how are you? did you noticed the 'Precise' report ?
[14:19] <pitti> Sweetshark: extra resources> beer? icecream? disabling filing LP bugs for libo?
[14:19] <pitti> all that can be arranged :)
[14:19] <seb128> pedro_, no, let me check ;-)
[14:20] <seb128> pedro_, oh, nice, and you fixed the Oneiric one as well!
[14:20]  * pitti writes a script to close all LP bugs as "This software has been out there for two years, it can't have bugs any more. This is obviously an user error"
[14:20] <dobey> seb128, pitti: what's the plan for banshee/tomboy/mono on CD? :)
[14:20] <pedro_> icecream with beer flavor ?
[14:20] <seb128> dobey, no plan
[14:21] <Sweetshark> pitti: I take the last choice then.
[14:21] <pitti> dobey: need GTK3 U1
[14:21] <dobey> seb128: "hope they get ported asap" ?
[14:21] <pitti> I'd love to go back to RB, but presumably not for LTS
[14:21] <seb128> dobey, "don't care if they get ported asap"
[14:21] <seb128> we will neither get gconf out of the CD nor gtk2 for the LTS
[14:22] <pitti> seb128: *meep* webkit-gtk2
[14:22] <pitti> this one really sucks space-wise
[14:22] <seb128> yeah, don't tell me
[14:22] <dobey> ugh
[14:23] <seb128> dunno what the banshee guys plan for next cycle
[14:23] <dobey> pitti: should we have a "go back to rbox" session at uds? ;)
[14:23] <seb128> we still don't have gtk3 mono binding, I'm not confident landing those and a port of banshee in the LTS cycle is a good idea
[14:23] <pitti> dobey: I think we'll have the traditional "default apps" session anyway
[14:24] <pitti> seb128: yes, agreed; but did I mention how nice RB works? :-)
[14:24] <pitti> SCNR
[14:24]  * pitti hugs seb128 and dobey
[14:24] <dobey> RB works great
[14:24] <dobey> it even doesn't have insane options in it, and lets you have multiple libraries! :)
[14:25]  * seb128 hugs pitti
[14:25] <seb128> pitti, I still have only rb installed
[14:26] <pitti> yes, me too
[14:26] <seb128> but rb didn't get any tarball since january
[14:26] <seb128> we live on git snapshots
[14:26] <dobey> i only have banshee installed because i have to for testing/hacking u1 stuff :(
[14:26] <seb128> the bugs we got since oneiric also show the current version is quite buggy
[14:26] <didrocks> seb128: pitti: banshee is almost gtk3 ready
[14:26] <didrocks> seb128: pitti that's what Bertrand told me at the desktop summit
[14:27] <dobey> didrocks: it's been almost ready for 6 months
[14:27] <didrocks> but he reimplemented a lot of custom widgets
[14:27] <didrocks> dobey: not true
[14:27] <dobey> didrocks: wasn't that summit in july?
[14:27] <chrisccoulson> nothing i maintain will be pulling in gtk2 or gconf in the LTS ;)
[14:27] <didrocks> dobey: indeed, end of july, and the work in a testing branch
[14:28] <didrocks> dobey: but I'm not a banshee supporter, you need to read ubuntu-desktop ML about my thought on media player :-)
[14:28] <dobey> didrocks: right, so that's 3 months already. if it was "almost ready" 3 months ago, it should be done already, but it's not :)
[14:28] <didrocks> I think that for LTS anyway, no move on that is wiser
[14:28] <dobey> xmcd ftw
[14:28] <didrocks> dobey: well, not everyone has the chance to earn money from FLOSS :-)
[14:29]  * didrocks still prays his xmcd + totem
[14:29] <dobey> let's switch to windowmaker too
[14:29] <didrocks> dobey: wasn't what unity was for? just moving the launcher side? :p
[14:30] <seb128> chrisccoulson, firefox on gtk3?!
[14:30] <dobey> hehe
[14:31] <pitti> nah, let's use https://one.ubuntu.com/services/music/
[14:31] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, mozilla-central builds against gtk3
[14:31] <chrisccoulson> not sure of the quality just yet
[14:31] <pitti> chrisccoulson: \o/
[14:31] <seb128> \o/
[14:31] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: well, it builds, ship it! :-)
[14:31] <rodrigo_> dobey, yes, the launcher in unity is like windowmaker, so you're set :D
[14:32] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, i'm not sure the guys at mozilla feel quite the same ;)
[14:32] <dobey> rodrigo_: make it embed wmcd then we can talk
[14:32] <chrisccoulson> i'm sure they'd like it to work properly before we ship it
[14:32] <didrocks> come on :-)
[14:32] <rodrigo_> dobey, :D
[14:33] <seb128> 20 updates in the sru unapproved queue
[14:33] <seb128> it's a crazy sru week ;-)
[14:33] <dobey> chrisccoulson: for very loosely and internally defined "properly" ? :)
[14:33] <dobey> oh sru
[14:34] <dobey> pitti: btw, can you also sync the ubuntuone-client from natty-proposed to natty-updates, as the bug is verification-done? :)
[14:34] <pitti> seb128: and I just spent two hours on it this morning, where we had some 30 :)
[14:34] <pitti> dobey: 6 days, almost there :) will do in my tomorrow morning's SRU shift
[14:35] <rodrigo_> btw, just remembered someone (was it cjwatson?) suggested to change the ubuntu release cycle, to feature-based instead of 6 months
[14:35] <pitti> seb128: gnome-vfs un-fam-ized
[14:35]  * pitti demotes
[14:35] <rodrigo_> is there any session at UDS about it?
[14:35] <seb128> pitti, \o/
[14:35] <dobey> pitti: ok, thanks!
[14:35] <pitti> rather, let's demote it a little later when gamin has built, otherwise LP gets confused
[14:35] <seb128> rodrigo_, it was rather Keybuk's blog you read?
[14:35] <dobey> rodrigo_: if we did that, we'd never have a release
[14:36] <rodrigo_> seb128, don't remember who was it
[14:36] <seb128> rodrigo_, not sure, I guess we will have a session about schedules, I doubt we will do any such change for the LTS though
[14:36] <rodrigo_> dobey, :)
[14:36] <pitti> bbl, supermarket
[14:37] <dobey> rodrigo_: actually, what i'm trying to get our (u1) team to do this cycle, might be the best route for everyone. but we'll try it in u1 first :)
[14:37] <rodrigo_> dobey, and it is?
[14:37] <dobey> but i expect it will be totally awesome, because i am usually right. :)
[14:37] <rodrigo_> what is it, I mean :)
[14:38] <dobey> rodrigo_: we're going to make stable branches at the start, and only do feature development in trunk, and only backport to the stable branches when features are complete, working, and well tested
[14:38] <rodrigo_> ah, like it
[14:39] <dobey> so we can always have feature development work happening in trunk
[14:39] <dobey> and always have stable code in releases
[14:40] <dobey> and we'll have the beta PPA build automatically from the stable branches, with nightlies building from trunk
[14:42] <seb128> dobey, well, other Canonical should be doing the same thing next cycle
[14:42] <seb128> that's the new way to deal with quality ;-)
[14:45] <seb128> chrisccoulson, ok, you win, I f**** hate evo now, it looks nicer but it keeps hanging and I've to --force-shutdown it every time that happens, tb might be less efficient and nice looking but at least it works :-)
[14:49] <rodrigo_> seb128, I think I'm done with the proxy bugs (2 are ubuntu-system-service, the banshee one I filed a patch for, and a firefox one which is being worked on by the mozilla guys)
[14:49] <rodrigo_> seb128, so, did I miss any?
[14:50] <seb128> rodrigo_, not that I know about, thanks
[14:50] <rodrigo_> ok, uploading then g-c-c
[14:50] <seb128> rodrigo_, did you just reassign the ubuntu-system-service ones? can you let mvo know about the numbers maybe? not sure how much he keeps up with emails from launchpad
[14:50] <seb128> rodrigo_, firefox is being worked by chrisccoulson yes
[14:51] <rodrigo_> seb128, ok
[14:52] <rodrigo_> mvo, bug 877254 and bug 877088 do you want me to assign them to you?
[14:52] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 877254 in ubuntu-system-service "Network proxy settings does not keep "DIRECT" value in apt.conf when set back to method "None"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/877254
[14:52] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 877088 in ubuntu-system-service "Network proxy setting does not set apt.conf from the second time" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/877088
[14:57] <desrt> RAOF: get your help with something?
[14:57] <mvo> chrisccoulson: so from what I can tell xdg-screensaver reset is working fine for my needs, thanks
[14:58] <mvo> rodrigo_: thanks, I'm currently drowning in work, if you could help out with the issues, that would be great, otherwise I will try to get to it at some point
[14:59] <rodrigo_> mvo, ok, I'll have a look
[15:10] <seb128> desrt, hey
[15:10] <seb128> desrt, it's 2am in .au, probably not the best time to catch him
[15:10] <desrt> seb128: thanks :)
[15:10]  * desrt didn't know he was upside-down
[15:10] <seb128> ;-)
[15:10] <desrt> seb128: fwiw, glib 2.31.0 is looking pretty good
[15:11] <seb128> desrt, but let your question, he will reply later or maybe you are lucky and somebody else knows
[15:11] <seb128> desrt, \o/
[15:11] <desrt> both rico and i have been running it for some time now
[15:11] <desrt> with only one problem spotted by rico
[15:11] <desrt> (gstreamer lockup issue)
[15:11] <desrt> we'll track that down, i'm sure
[15:11] <seb128> desrt, reading those discussion about gstreamer issues didn't increase my confidence in it ;-)
[15:11] <desrt> but no mass-breakage or anything
[15:12] <desrt> RAOF: i want a way for X to tell me when a keyboard grab has occured that would prevent me from having my own passive grabs realised
[15:12] <desrt> RAOF: know of anything and/or could we add it with an extension of some kind?
[15:13] <desrt> seb128: we have one really excessively annoying issue left to fix before i can drop the tarball
[15:13] <desrt> which is hopefully later tonight
[15:13] <desrt> is p open yet?
[15:14] <chrisccoulson> mvo, oh, that's good then :)
[15:15] <seb128> desrt, yes
[15:15] <pitti> *yummy* ice cream *munch* *munch*
[15:15] <desrt> fun times...
[15:15] <desrt> pitti: weird!
[15:15] <desrt> the french and the germans agreeing on something?
[15:16] <pitti> on ice cream? I think we can settle on that
[15:16] <didrocks> well, we agreed on greece :)
[15:16] <desrt> didrocks: that wasn't exactly easy :)
[15:16] <didrocks> right
[15:16] <pitti> jasoncwarner, Sweetshark, bryceh, chrisccoulson, didrocks, tremolux, Riddell, kenvandine, cyphermox, mterry, rodrigo_, seb128, tkamppeter, pedro_: meeting reminder in 14 mins
[15:17] <seb128> pitti, ice cream ;-)
[15:17]  * desrt finds it slightly amusing that seb and didrocks were on that list
[15:17] <pitti> it got warm once again (16 degrees), so last chance :) (our Italian cafe closes down for the winter on Friday)
[15:17] <desrt> :(
[15:18] <didrocks> 16 degrees, warm?
[15:18] <seb128> pitti, you have a laptop with a touchpad enable,disable key right?
[15:18] <pitti> seb128: yes
[15:18] <didrocks> I think we will start disagreeing :)
[15:18] <pitti> didrocks: better than the -4 we had at night
[15:18] <seb128> pitti, does it work? does the notify-osd bubble has an icon?
[15:18] <didrocks> pitti: relatively speaking, indeed :)
[15:18] <pitti> seb128: it's been a while since I tried it
[15:19] <pitti> seb128: I remember that it acted weirdly on the sprint -- it disabled (with bubble), but never re-enabled
[15:19] <seb128> pitti, could you try it next time you have a chance? my dell laptop doesn' have one
[15:19] <seb128> pitti, yeah, that bug got fixes
[15:19] <seb128> got fixed
[15:19] <seb128> we got a bug about that though: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/83099797/Screenshot%20at%202011-10-18%2017%3A35%3A27.png
[15:19] <pitti> but if I open the lid now, xrandr will mess up everything, I'm sure
[15:19] <seb128> i.e empty bubble
[15:19] <didrocks> so gedit breaking libpeas
[15:20] <seb128> well, libpeas is broken
[15:20] <seb128> pygobject is buggy
[15:20] <seb128> mterry upstream a bit that leads the snippet code to segfault gedit this week
[15:20] <seb128> so the doesn't work at all might be an improvement :p
[15:20] <seb128> out of the fact that mdeslaur uses it :p
[15:21] <didrocks> seb128: ah ok, so not really a "regression"
[15:21] <didrocks> :)
[15:21] <didrocks> so why assigning?
[15:21] <mdeslaur> seb128, didrocks: hey, c'mon, it worked fine
[15:21] <seb128> mdeslaur, bug #863773
[15:21] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 863773 in pygobject "gedit crashed with SIGSEGV in __memcpy_ssse3() (when using snippet)" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/863773
[15:21]  * didrocks is puzzled, did it worked or not with this snippet? :)
[15:22] <seb128> mdeslaur, not what that bug says
[15:22] <mdeslaur> seb128: well, besides that _bug_
[15:22] <mdeslaur> seb128: which you don't hit unless you drag and drop stuff
[15:22] <seb128> didrocks, sorry I was unclear, it worked but had issues leading to segfault with some actions like dnd
[15:22] <seb128> so the bug is new
[15:22] <seb128> I'm wondering if we should just drop snippet...
[15:22] <didrocks> hum, so previous behavior was "better"
[15:22] <seb128> yes
[15:23] <didrocks> not good, but better…
[15:23] <mdeslaur> seb128: I will have to kill you if you do that. Just saying.
[15:23] <didrocks> I can probably revert ehc ommit
[15:23] <didrocks> the commit*
[15:23] <seb128> didrocks, check with pitti maybe if that's not a pygobject bug
[15:23] <seb128> wouldn't be the first one
[15:24] <seb128> didrocks, the "assignee" was because you did the upload, sorry half of the people there never get bug mails if you don't assign thing to them so I got used to use assignee as a "read that and unassign if you want once you have read it" ;-)
[15:24] <didrocks> pitti: if you have time: bug #877397, TextIter isn't supported?
[15:24] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 877397 in gedit "gedit in -proposed breaks snippets plugin" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/877397
[15:24] <didrocks> seb128: you can subscribe me, I have effective filters! :)
[15:24] <didrocks> even this one should go in "general" if you don't subscribe me I guess
[15:24] <seb128> yeah, that's right
[15:24] <pitti> didrocks: queueing (will probably look tomorrow, as I'll call it a day after meeting)
[15:25] <didrocks> pitti: sure, there is no hurry I guess
[15:26] <didrocks> interesting
[15:26] <didrocks> foo = Gtk.TextIter() works
[15:26] <didrocks> bar = GObject.property(type=Gtk.TextIter doesn't
[15:26] <pitti> didrocks: TextIter is meant to work, yes
[15:26] <pitti> ther's even an override for it
[15:26] <pitti> and a test
[15:27] <didrocks> pitti: seems that if you try to instantiate it through GObject, what libpeas is doing, it doesn't
[15:27] <didrocks> pitti: I'll paste that to the bug
[15:29] <didrocks> other instantiation like bar = GObject.property(type=Gtk.Box) works though, specific to Gtk.Iter it seems then
[15:30] <pitti> jasoncwarner, Sweetshark, bryceh, chrisccoulson, didrocks, tremolux, Riddell, kenvandine, cyphermox, mterry, rodrigo_, seb128, tkamppeter, pedro_: meeting now
[15:30]  * pedro_ waves
[15:30] <chrisccoulson> w00t
[15:30] <tremolux> hey everyone!
[15:30] <pitti> welcome to the first-ever precise meeting :)
[15:30] <seb128> hey ;-)
[15:30] <rodrigo_> hi
[15:30] <pitti> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2011-10-18
[15:30]  * bcurtiswx as a guest
[15:30]  * kenvandine waves
[15:31] <didrocks> hey
[15:31] <kenvandine> woot, precise!
[15:31] <mterry> w00t
[15:31] <chrisccoulson> and i managed my first precise uploads today :)
[15:31] <pitti> but I suppose most of us will still stay on oneiric for preparing and verifying SRUs
[15:31]  * Sweetshark waves
[15:31] <pitti> precise opened up exceptionally fast, but it's still very rough
[15:32] <pitti> I must admit I haven't looked into UDS planning yet, jasoncwarner_ did most of it so far
[15:32] <pitti> so, anything on the agenda from anyone for today?
[15:32] <pitti> (I think didrocks had a topic)
[15:33] <kenvandine> one thing for partner update
[15:33] <jasoncwarner_> pitti: re: UDS. I'm off this week, but I'm entering the blueprints todayish. If anyone else has some, go ahead and put them in and target them...
[15:33] <pitti> jasoncwarner_: want me to do anything particular there? scheduling, accepting, reviewing, etc.?
[15:34] <jasoncwarner_> pitti: once I have them in, reviewing and accepting would be appreciated (re: keeping me honest ;))
[15:34] <pitti> jasoncwarner_: ack, sounds great; and thanks for preparing them
[15:34] <Sweetshark> jasoncwarner_: did you see the LO/OOo topic proposed to Jono?
[15:35] <jasoncwarner_> Sweetshark: yeah, would you be happy to put that in and target to precise uds?
[15:35] <didrocks> pitti: On my side, I don't have a topic agenda particularly, still waiting for design to move their bugs to new process, but for those interested, they can hCave a look there: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/design/. I'll present that at UDS to the team in an informal way I guess. The idea is to have a better view of what should be done in our upstream, what's should be done us, as a
[15:35] <didrocks> downstream and what would land soon in ubuntu from a design perspective.
[15:36] <kenvandine> didrocks, awesome!
[15:37] <pitti> nice!
[15:37] <didrocks> (you can click on title to expand/reduce view and can triage by column title if you didn't notice)
[15:39] <didrocks> (and it has an extensive test suite against launchpad staging so we should be good for tweaking it safely)
[15:40] <pitti> ok, AOB?
[15:40] <kenvandine> yeah
[15:40] <kenvandine> U1 has discontinued support for bookmark sync (bindwood).  in 11.10 it still works as good as it has and the package will be removed for 12.04
[15:40] <chrisccoulson> ah, about that
[15:41] <rodrigo_> kenvandine, cool, it never worked afair
[15:41] <kenvandine> rodrigo_, right :)
[15:41] <chrisccoulson> i'm also going to be shipping an empty bindwood package with the next firefox update
[15:41] <pitti> kenvandine: what do we do on upgrades there? can we introduce a Breaks: somewhere to remove the package?
[15:41] <chrisccoulson> (for natty and oneiric)
[15:41] <pitti> chrisccoulson: err, for stables?
[15:41] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yes
[15:41] <pitti> "works as good as ever" didn't sound like "completely broken"
[15:42] <chrisccoulson> pitti - if nobody is working on it anymore, then it's likely to break quite quickly
[15:42] <chrisccoulson> (ie, break firefox)
[15:42] <chrisccoulson> so i want to remove it entirely really
[15:42] <pitti> yes, fine for precise, but breaking stable?
[15:42] <kenvandine> pitti, well the service would still accept the sync technically
[15:42] <pitti> why did U1 stop supporting it?
[15:42] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah, it needs updating for every firefox release anyway
[15:42] <kenvandine> but it just never worked well for many people
[15:42] <glatzor> hello mvo, I just moved the development of the pk compat thingy to the lp:~aptdaemon-developers/aptdaemon/pkcompat2 branch and deleted the previous one (pkcompat), since the threading seems to be harder to implement than the PK compat layer and the threading branch was already merged in the pkcompat branch :)
[15:42] <kenvandine> pitti, quality reasons
[15:43] <chrisccoulson> and i'm not sure the U1 guys are going to be spending efforts on maintaining something for a service which isn't provided anymore
[15:43] <kenvandine> http://voices.canonical.com/ubuntuone/?p=1282
[15:43] <mvo> glatzor: thanks!
[15:43] <kenvandine> the problem wasn't really the firefox extension
[15:43] <chrisccoulson> but that's a problem if nobody is looking after it :)
[15:43] <kenvandine> indeed
[15:45] <chrisccoulson> pitti - do you see a problem with that?
[15:45] <pitti> chrisccoulson: yes, I do, but we aren't going to solve that here and now :)
[15:45] <pitti> so, thanks for the heads-up
[15:45] <chrisccoulson> pitti - there are a couple of problems with leaving things the way they are:
[15:46] <chrisccoulson> 1) the addon will be marked incompatible with firefox in the next release anyway, which is likely to result in confusion and bug reports
[15:46] <pitti> chrisccoulson: right, under the assumption that we stop support for it, an empty package is fine
[15:46] <pitti> chrisccoulson: my problem is with stopping supporting stable releases where we have committed to having these packages in main, have a paid team for it, etc.
[15:47] <kenvandine> it is in universe
[15:47] <chrisccoulson> 2) for people running the addon compatibility reporter, it won't be marked incompatible, which means it may start to break firefox in strange ways in the future, if we don't have anyone actively maintaining it
[15:47] <ricotz> hello, is this a known debhelper problem "dpkg-shlibdeps: error: package. is not a valid version"?
[15:47] <pitti> kenvandine: ah, ok; then I don't have a problem with it :)
[15:47] <kenvandine> :-D
[15:47] <glatzor> mvo, but I will merge it into trunk soon :)
[15:47] <pitti> chrisccoulson: ok, I thought it was a supported service, nevermind me
[15:47] <kenvandine> the quality was never good enough for us to put in main :)
[15:47] <chrisccoulson> pitti - ah, ok. thanks
[15:47] <rodrigo_> yeah
[15:47] <seb128> ricotz, hey, try asking on #ubuntu-devel
[15:48] <chrisccoulson> so, the plan is still to ship empty packages with the next firefox update to force its removal
[15:48] <seb128> ricotz, we are in a meeting (almost over, but still the question is not really desktopish)
[15:48] <chrisccoulson> unless anyone else sees a problem :)
[15:48] <ricotz> (seb128, oh, sorry)
[15:48] <kenvandine> chrisccoulson, wfm
[15:48] <seb128> ricotz, no worry
[15:48] <pitti> kenvandine: ok, thanks
[15:49] <pitti> back to AOB?
[15:50] <pitti> seems not
[15:50] <pitti> then thanks everyone!
[15:50] <seb128> thanks pitti
[15:50] <mterry> yay precise
[15:50] <didrocks> thanks everyone
[15:50] <seb128> oh, a mterry
[15:51] <seb128> mterry, hey, do you feel better?
[15:51] <mterry> seb128, yeah, sleeping forever does wonders
[15:51] <seb128> ;-)
[15:52] <seb128> mterry, do you plan to SRU deja-dup 20.1 btw?
[15:52] <mvo> glatzor: I keep an eye on it .) I also meant to work on the systemwide license key code this week, but so far it did not work out :(
[15:52] <mterry> seb128, yeah probs.  Nothing super important it fixes, but I know the French forums would be mad if I didn't fix that translation issue.  :)
[15:53] <seb128> mterry, yeah, you know how it goes with users ;-)
[15:56] <didrocks> mterry: I didn't see hate messages on that if you can feel better about it :)
[15:56] <didrocks> as long as it doesn't break with french locale, people are tolerant :)
[15:58] <mterry> didrocks, well, some strings show as english still, despite full french translation, so I figured they'd be miffed
[15:59] <seb128> didrocks, well, I wrote a hate message for one, it's in launchpad, though mterry closed it as fixed it seems
[15:59] <didrocks> seb128: seems mterry is taking french people for people who only care about their language and doesn't speak proper english. How rude is this? :p
[15:59] <seb128> but he lied, I still see the bug :p
[15:59] <didrocks> (even if true :p)
[15:59] <mterry> seb128, run precise then!
[16:00] <seb128> didrocks, the "next backup" dates are in english the the control center
[16:01] <didrocks> yeah, can be annoying, people not making the difference between 11/07 and 07/11
[16:02] <mterry> didrocks, that shouldn't matter, will always be X number of days
[16:02] <didrocks> oh?
[16:02] <seb128> didrocks, well it's relative time, like next backup "in 2 days"
[16:02] <mterry> didrocks, for that particular string, yeah
[16:02] <didrocks> mterry: ok, I'll run a backup this evening while doing my excercise then!
[16:02] <seb128> didrocks, well, no need to run one, open g-c-c backup and look at the 2 bottom strings
[16:02] <mterry> didrocks, you mean, you haven't been testing DD all oneiric cycle?!
[16:03] <seb128> the "most recent backup" and "next backup"
[16:03] <rodrigo_> bbiab
[16:03] <didrocks> mterry: ahem, my gf did, but she's on lucid :-)
[16:03] <didrocks> and it was the "I should backup, really should"
[16:03] <seb128> :-)
[16:03] <didrocks> you know how it goes :)
[16:03] <mterry> didrocks, guh, lucid DD's interface is the pits
[16:03] <seb128> I should put my backups somewhere else that in my user dir
[16:03] <didrocks> mterry: she can still use it without any help!
[16:04] <seb128> I've feeling it's not the most useful location to put them ;-)
[16:04] <mterry> didrocks, well, she's a genius  :)
[16:04] <didrocks> seb128: ahah, you mean, you are backuping on the same dir? :)
[16:04] <didrocks> disk*
[16:04] <mterry> seb128, yah :)  you have U1 space, eh?
[16:04] <seb128> yeah, I was testing deja-dup mostly
[16:04] <seb128> but I could as well make useful backups from it ;-)
[16:05]  * didrocks will backup on his server, /home/data/partageNFS/volatile which is the non RAID0/1 partition
[16:05] <seb128> mterry, I have but I've a quite slow uplink so I tend to no like to upload backups on the internet
[16:05] <pitti> seb128: do you have so many changes every day?
[16:05] <pitti> I only have a slow uplink as well, but once you are through the initial hump, the daily diff is barely noticeable
[16:05] <mterry> pitti, well, DD likes to make full backups every now and then too
[16:06] <pitti> ah, ok;;
[16:06] <mterry> for safety's sake
[16:06] <pitti> rsnapshot doesn't
[16:06] <mterry> pitti, I also do it for technical reasons to be able to delete older backup chains
[16:07] <DBO> http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/lge2i/coming_to_uds_like_video_games_come_play_with_us/
[16:07] <DBO> for all your desktop team members
[16:07] <DBO> be ready to be fragged
[16:07] <pitti> but yes, syncing my music collection to U1 took a whole 10 days or so :)
[16:07] <pitti> DBO: ooh, nice!
[16:08] <pitti> I think the last time I played network Quake II was in school, around 1997
[16:08] <mterry> DBO, hmm...  may have to bring my beefy laptop then
[16:08] <pitti> so I'm sure I'll suck
[16:08] <pitti> but it'll be fun either way
[16:08] <DBO> no problem
[16:08] <seb128> pitti, well to be honest I didn't try to deja-dup to u1 from my main machine, it might be smart enough to not upload a lot
[16:08] <DBO> mterry, yes you shall
[16:08] <DBO> I am
[16:09] <seb128> I'm sure those game will hate my intel card :p
[16:09] <mterry> DBO, that laptop has a habit of overheating.  May have to bring a desk fan too.  ;)
[16:09] <DBO> mterry, whatever it takes
[16:09] <DBO> seb128, Diablo II will be fine
[16:09] <DBO> TF2 should be fine
[16:09] <seb128> great
[16:09] <DBO> on lowest settings
[16:09] <DBO> we did think about this a little bit :)
[16:10] <seb128> btw did the "unity drops gl games frame by half" got fixed?
[16:10] <seb128> didrocks mentioned that was an issue recently
[16:10] <didrocks> it's not fixed FYI
[16:11] <DBO> salt into the wound...
[16:12] <pitti> DBO: do we need to buy these games before, or is there a demo version which is enough for net playing?
[16:12] <seb128> DBO, we just want to assure a good gaming experience to be able to kick your ass at UDS ;-)
[16:12] <pitti> yes, and need to practice a little :)
[16:12] <DBO> pitti, you'll need to buy
[16:12] <pitti> when we are there it's not the best time to learn all the keys etc.
[16:12] <DBO> seb128, install windows :P
[16:12] <pitti> DBO: will do then
[16:12] <pitti> DBO: thanks!
[16:12] <DBO> I cant believe how many people are excited about this
[16:13] <DBO> we thought it was going to be like 5 of us
[16:13] <pitti> DBO: dude, it so much is! nobody here to LAN-game with me :)
[16:13] <pitti> of course a few UDSes ago we used to play FB and tetrinet
[16:13] <DBO> Im looking forward to this so much more than UDS
[16:14] <DBO> frozen bubble != gaming
[16:14] <pitti> objection!
[16:14] <seb128> we need to add warcraft2 or starcraft to that list of games ;-)
[16:15] <didrocks> if there is starcraft count me in
[16:15] <didrocks> I have less than 2 weeks to get back to my level :-)
[16:15] <DBO> adding
[16:15] <DBO> 1 or 2?
[16:15] <didrocks> one :)
[16:15] <seb128> 1
[16:16] <didrocks> I know that agateau is quite a descent starcraft player as well :)
[16:16] <pitti> DBO: so which of these four games do you recommend for intel card and n00b skills? I don't know any of them
[16:16] <kenvandine> i haven't played starcraft in ages!
[16:16] <DBO> didrocks, done
[16:16] <DBO> pitti, DII
[16:16] <didrocks> DBO: great!
[16:16]  * didrocks goes finding his CD
[16:16] <agateau> didrocks: I have been playing starcraft a lot, but I am definitely not a decent player :)
[16:17] <didrocks> agateau: :-)
[16:17] <didrocks> agateau: does it works well in wine?
[16:17]  * didrocks doesn't have any windows here
[16:17] <DBO> didrocks, its like 1/3 of the reason wine exists
[16:17] <agateau> didrocks: it works well in vbox
[16:17] <CarlFK> seb128:  I am sshed into the installer, chroot /target,  # dbus-launch --autolaunch=23ebe9869679dfd4566f95c5000004f5; "Autolaunch error: X11 initialization failed."
[16:17] <pitti> I'll try my luck with wine
[16:18] <CarlFK> any idea how I can get more info about this?
[16:18] <didrocks> ok, don't expect me uploading SRU tomorrow, I have work to do :-)
[16:18] <DBO> pitti, I have done DII with Wine
[16:18] <DBO> it works fine
[16:18] <seb128> didrocks, lol
[16:18] <seb128> I might just bring my win hdd with me
[16:18] <seb128> I changed the disk shipped with my dell for a ssd one when I got it, but the original one as win installed with a valid license
[16:19] <DBO> dont forget to upboat on reddit guys
[16:19] <seb128> it might be better to play ;-)
[16:19] <DBO> I want to get this on the frontpage of the ubuntu subreddit
[16:19] <DBO> seb128, I have Win7 setup just for this
[16:19] <DBO> mwaahhaha free windows software from my uni
[16:19] <pitti> seb128: ah, I tried to reinstall win7, but it's such a pain to set up; no drivers at all, not even ethernet; so I gave up
[16:20] <DBO> pitti, if you ahve a dual boot
[16:20] <DBO> I downloaded the drivers in ubuntu
[16:20] <pitti> DBO: I actually did that
[16:20] <DBO> and then copied them to the NTFS partition
[16:20] <seb128> pitti, well, I've the preinstalled disk, I guess it just needs activation
[16:20] <pitti> but the wifi drivers still didn't work
[16:20] <pitti> I also burned the rescue/reinstall DVD
[16:20] <DBO> awesome
[16:20] <pitti> but that didn't boot either
[16:23] <pitti> DBO, didrocks, seb128: anyone up for descent 2 playing? :-)
[16:24]  * pitti still has some rather good skills at that
[16:24] <DBO> any game you want to play is fair grabs
[16:24] <seb128> I never played that
[16:24] <didrocks> pitti: will probably suck, but that will remind me some good old time :)
[16:24] <didrocks> (I meant: *I* will probably suck ;))
[16:25]  * pitti uploads dbus merge, and calls it a day
[16:25] <pitti> see you tomorrow, good night!
[16:25] <didrocks> see you tomorrow pitti!
[16:32] <seb128> 'night pitti
[16:40] <seb128> hum
[16:41] <seb128> did xchat-gnome stopped doing notify-osd notifications for others as well?
[16:46] <mdeslaur> seb128: works for me
[16:48] <seb128> mdeslaur, hum, thanks
[16:52] <didrocks> ok, time for some exercice there, see you tomorrow!
[16:53] <seb128> 'night didrocks
[16:53] <didrocks> thanks, you too seb128
[17:24] <seb128> chrisccoulson, what infos can be useful for bugs where tb and the indicator counts disagree?
[17:24] <seb128> chrisccoulson, like the indicator says I've an unread email in dx-assigned and one in unity-bugs, the unity launcher says 2 unread email, so far consistent, but tb itself has no unread email at all
[17:25] <seb128> selecting the boxes doesn't update any of the counters
[17:25] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, i've seen a few people with issues like that
[17:25] <chrisccoulson> there's nothing in the error console?
[17:26] <seb128> Error: ERROR edsintegration: Could not create a client of type addressbook from ESource.
[17:26] <seb128> Source File: resource://edsintegration/AuthHelper.jsm
[17:26] <seb128> Line: 149
[17:26] <seb128> Error: ERROR edsintegration: Message was: Invalid source
[17:26] <seb128> Source File: resource://edsintegration/AuthHelper.jsm
[17:26] <seb128> Line: 150
[17:26] <seb128>  
[17:26] <seb128> those are the only "errors"
[17:26] <chrisccoulson> yeah, those are unrelated
[17:26] <seb128> warning has a bunch of
[17:26] <seb128> Warning: WARN edsintegration: Could not resolve email type for an nsAbEDSEmailAddress - setting as OTHER.
[17:26] <seb128> Source File: resource://edsintegration/nsAbEDSCard.jsm
[17:26] <seb128> Line: 722
[17:26] <seb128> that's it basically
[17:29] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, ping
[17:29] <rickspencer3> hi kenvandine
[17:30] <kenvandine> hey... got a minute for a couple questions about your box that gwibber is sucking on?
[17:30] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, now isn't great for me
[17:30] <kenvandine> ok
[17:30] <rickspencer3> it's my mini 10v, btw
[17:30] <kenvandine> mind pinging me when you have a few?
[17:30] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, well, I have a couple of minutes
[17:30] <rickspencer3> go ahead and ask
[17:30] <kenvandine> it looks like networking problems, but i am also concerned that it isn't logging anymore
[17:30] <kenvandine> how big is the log file?
[17:31] <kenvandine> what you have of the log, has a bunch of connection timed out errors
[17:32] <kenvandine> and on 9/27 you had DNS failures for twitter, facebook, and identi.ca... which is weird because the same time jasoncwarner_ had the same problem
[17:32] <chrisccoulson> seb128, ok, i set up another mail account to see if i get any issues
[17:32] <chrisccoulson> it might be easier to spot in an account with low traffic :)
[17:32] <kenvandine> pycurl was failing to resolve the hostnames
[17:32] <kenvandine> but it is resolving them now, just failing to connect to them
[17:32] <seb128> chrisccoulson, well my account is not low traffic
[17:33] <seb128> but yeah, for reading debug infos it's probably better ;-)
[17:33] <seb128> chrisccoulson, is there any debug info I can get on mine when that happens?
[17:33] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, and any chance you have a proxy set?
[17:33] <chrisccoulson> seb128, but your folders seem to not contain much unread mail
[17:33] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, no proxy
[17:33] <chrisccoulson> whereas i have ~20000 unread mails ;)
[17:33] <rickspencer3> and this happens all the time
[17:33] <seb128> chrisccoulson, yeah, I'm good at driving my unread to 0
[17:33] <seb128> chrisccoulson, hint, you have a "mark folder as read" in the right click menu, it can be handy ;-)
[17:33] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, have you double checked that there isn't?  i am wondering if maybe a gconf->gsettings conversion went bad
[17:34] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i wonder if i should use that more often
[17:34] <rickspencer3> isn't a proxy?
[17:34] <kenvandine> isn't set...
[17:35] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, it isn't likely the problem, just trying to rule that out
[17:35] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, booting the computer
[17:35] <kenvandine> thx
[17:35] <seb128> gconftool --get /system/http_proxy/use_http_proxy
[17:36] <seb128> kenvandine, how come gwibber still use gconf? ;-)
[17:36] <kenvandine> it doesn't
[17:36] <kenvandine> :)
[17:36] <seb128> so why do you ask for gconf keys?
[17:36] <kenvandine> i didn't did i?
[17:36] <kenvandine> maybe i miss-typed :)
[17:36] <seb128> kenvandine, oh ok, I misread you
[17:37] <kenvandine> gwibber-service is getting network connection timeouts
[17:37] <kenvandine> but can't see why..
[17:37] <seb128> kenvandine, no, I'm twisted in the direction of all the "g-c-c updates gsettings but stuff still read the gconf key" issues we are getting
[17:37] <kenvandine> :)
[17:37] <seb128> kenvandine, so I just assimilated to one of those ;-)
[17:37] <kenvandine> understandable :)
[17:38] <kenvandine> i did somehow end up with a VM that was set to use a proxy when i am pretty certain i never configured
[17:38] <kenvandine> but that broke lots of things
[17:39] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, I have 2 minutes
[17:39] <rickspencer3> can you tell me specifically what you want me to look at?
[17:39] <rickspencer3> l)
[17:39] <kenvandine> ok, how big is that log file?
[17:39] <rickspencer3> ;)
[17:39] <rickspencer3> sorry, I was chatting with mdz :)
[17:39] <kenvandine> ls -l ~/.cache/gwibber/gwibber.log
[17:40] <rickspencer3> I miss that dude, he takes precedence over gwibber debugging :)
[17:40] <kenvandine> and confirm the permissions too
[17:40] <kenvandine> hehe
[17:40] <kenvandine> indeed
[17:40] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, if it help, I'll have this puter with me in FL
[17:40] <kenvandine> certainly
[17:40] <kenvandine> but if i can, i would like to figure it out before then :)
[17:41] <kenvandine> i just got the first dupe for this
[17:41] <rickspencer3> it's -rw-r--r--
[17:41] <kenvandine> and owned by you right?
[17:41] <rickspencer3> 3277130 for length
[17:41] <rickspencer3> owned by me, yes
[17:42] <kenvandine> ok
[17:42] <kenvandine> thx...          that is all i have for now
[17:42] <kenvandine> still at a loss
[17:42] <kenvandine> no idea what would make it stop logging...
[17:43] <kenvandine> it isn't even errors from the services... it is timeout errors connecting to anything
[17:43] <kenvandine> from pycurl... wtf
[17:44] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, I'll hand it over to you in FL ;)
[17:44] <kenvandine> thx :)
[17:44] <rickspencer3> just bring a 'puter and we can swap
[17:44] <kenvandine> hope you like a portuguese keyboard :)
[17:45] <seb128> rickspencer3 probably got used to a french keyboard by now
[17:45] <rickspencer3> seb128, well, I use the US layout
[17:45] <rickspencer3> I cheat
[17:46] <seb128> that's cheating!
[17:46] <seb128> ;-)
[17:46] <chrisccoulson> seb128, ah, i think i just saw your problem in my inbox
[17:46] <chrisccoulson> too bad i didn't have any extension logging switched on ;)
[17:47] <seb128> chrisccoulson, "DOH"? ;-)
[17:47] <seb128> try again :p
[17:56] <pitti> tremolux: thanks for the tzdata updates, will sponsor them tomorrow morning (currently in a call, and actually I'm already off for today)
[17:56] <pitti> tremolux: would you mind applying for PPU for tzdata? there should be very low entrance barrier
[17:58] <pitti> tremolux: so tzdata has a new upstream now?
[17:59] <chrisccoulson> seb128, do you delete mail from a folder before whilst it's still marked as read?
[18:00] <tremolux> pitti: you're welcome, I've started my application for tzdata and software-center
[18:00] <seb128> chrisccoulson, define "whilst it's still marked as read"?
[18:00] <chrisccoulson> seb128, ie, before it's been marked unread
[18:00] <dobey> maybe i should ask in here instead
[18:00] <tremolux> pitti: yes, it's still in flux about tzdata, but folks have taken the reigns are and making sure updates keep happening
[18:01] <dobey> are there any good docs for how to split gir1.2-foo packages from a single source?
[18:01] <seb128> chrisccoulson, but I do lot of crazy things like selecting range of emails and delete those, sit on the delete key for a while, click on the "unread" green circle to mark things as read
[18:01] <dobey> like, naming conventions and such
[18:01] <seb128> chrisccoulson, or use space,delete to browse delete
[18:01] <chrisccoulson> seb128, hah!
[18:01] <chrisccoulson> i'm only looking for state changes on mails
[18:01] <chrisccoulson> i'm not looking for mails being removed from a folder ;)
[18:02] <seb128> oh ;-)
[18:02] <chrisccoulson> i bet that's it
[18:02] <chrisccoulson> pitti, mind rejecting thunderbird in proposed?
[18:02] <seb128> chrisccoulson, btw another thing confusing is that if you filter a folder view in tb the count is cleared from the indicator
[18:02] <dobey> ohh, nevermind
[18:03] <tremolux> pitti: actually, ICANN is officially taking it over: http://www.icann.org/en/news/releases/release-14oct11-en.pdf
[18:03] <pitti> tremolux: yeah, debian switched over debian/copyright and watch already
[18:03] <seb128> dobey, gir are not different from other binaries
[18:03] <dobey> debian package search has answered my question, in a not so useful way
[18:04] <pitti> chrisccoulson: done
[18:04] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[18:05] <dobey> i wonder why debian stopped packaging the avahi gir
[18:06] <seb128> dobey, they never packaged it
[18:06] <dobey> seb128: yes they did
[18:06] <dobey> seb128: in fact, it's still in sid for avr32 arch, as gir1.0-avahi-0.6
[18:06] <seb128> dobey, no they didn't
[18:07] <seb128> dobey, that came from gir-repository which was a static collection of all the girs
[18:07] <seb128> dobey, which got dropped since because most libs build their gir now
[18:07] <seb128> dobey, which avahi doesn't
[18:07] <dobey> seb128: avahi does, in fact
[18:08] <seb128> well, not the debian package
[18:08] <dobey> seb128: but the ubuntu package doesn't depend on the thing necessary
[18:08] <dobey> well sure
[18:08] <seb128> dobey, http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gir-repository.html
[18:08] <seb128> see the binaries on the left
[18:08] <dobey> yeah, i see that
[18:08] <pitti> so, good night everyone!
[18:08] <seb128> 'night pitti
[18:09] <seb128> dobey, so yeah, that's a valid request, avahi should build a gir
[18:10] <dobey> seb128: yeah, i was just now making a fix for P for it
[18:10] <dobey> seb128: but was wondering what to name the package
[18:10] <seb128> thanks
[18:10] <seb128> gir1.2-<name of the typelib>-<version number of the typelib>
[18:11] <seb128> i.e Indicate-0.6.typelib -> gir1.2-indicate-0.6
[18:14] <dobey> seb128: yeah, i know that much. but avahi's is AvahiCore
[18:14] <dobey> seb128: so i wasn't sure if it should be avahicore or avahi, but looks like should probably use avahi
[18:16] <seb128> dobey, no, the debian way is clear, it's the same name as the .typelib
[18:16] <seb128> dobey, how is named the file on disk?
[18:17] <dobey> seb128: AvahiCore-0.6.typelib/gir
[18:17] <seb128> or
[18:17] <seb128> so it's gir1.2-avahicore-0.6
[18:17] <dobey> seb128: but the old package is gir1.0-avahi-0.6, so figured it should be similar
[18:18] <seb128> dobey, no, the gir-repository was from before the time they had a convention for the naming
[18:19] <dobey> ok
[18:20] <dobey> seb128: and conflicts/replaces provides a sane upgrade path right?
[18:20] <seb128> yes
[18:21] <seb128> dobey, the old gir had 2 typelibs
[18:21] <seb128> one AvahiCore.typelib and one Avahi.typelib
[18:21] <dobey> hmm
[18:21] <seb128> so the naming made sense if they decided to include both in the same binary
[18:21] <dobey> wonder what Avahi was
[18:23] <seb128> bah
[18:23] <seb128> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=655287
[18:23] <ubot2> Gnome bug 655287 in general "Stop installing libgnome-control-center shared library" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]
[18:23] <seb128> "Resolved: fixed"
[18:23] <seb128> yet another change to revert :p
[18:24] <dobey> heh
[18:24] <dobey> "stop installing gnome3"
[18:24] <dobey> ;)
[18:25] <seb128> hehe
[18:25] <seb128> chrisccoulson, ok, I've another tb "wtf", I just noticed why I missed some of the recent discussions on lists
[18:26] <seb128> chrisccoulson, if you never opened a box it seems it will never display an unread count for it
[18:26] <chrisccoulson> seb128, you do your filtering server-side don't you?
[18:26] <seb128> like I've several mailing list on the canonical imap I never browsed in tb since I didn't get new mails
[18:26] <seb128> chrisccoulson, yes
[18:26] <seb128> chrisccoulson, well I'm using tb for 2 days, I'm lucky I started evo today
[18:26] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, didrocks mentioned the same issue. basically, thunderbird lazily updates non-inbox folders by default
[18:27] <chrisccoulson> and that isn't ideal for server filtering
[18:27] <chrisccoulson> whereas i do local filtering, so i don't get the issue
[18:27] <chrisccoulson> i wonder if there's really any value in doing the lazy updating of folders by default
[18:28] <chrisccoulson> i guess i can talk to m_conley about that at UDS ;)
[18:28] <dobey> it probably uses 3 GB less ram than not doing that
[18:28]  * m_conley perks up
[18:29] <seb128> chrisccoulson, well it's really broken, if I click the "receive" small arrow and pick "receive all new messages" it ought to do non lazy full checking
[18:29] <chrisccoulson> hi m_conley
[18:29] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: hey!
[18:29] <seb128> or the title is misleading and should be "lazy check folders you already used" ;-)
[18:30] <seb128> hey mchro
[18:30] <seb128> ups
[18:30] <seb128> mchro, sorry
[18:30] <seb128> hey m_conley
[18:30] <m_conley> Hey. :)
[18:30] <m4n1sh> seb128: can you check the  ubuntu-desktop list moderation queue
[18:30] <seb128> pedro_, ^
[18:30] <m4n1sh> my 12.04 topic is still there
[18:30] <seb128> m4n1sh, I forgot the password years ago, I'm not sure it's being moderated at all
[18:31] <seb128> pedro_, do you still remember the moderation password for the desktop list? ;-)
[18:31] <m4n1sh> anyone who can take a look at the moderation queue
[18:31] <seb128> m4n1sh, pedro should be able to, good that you pinged because the list collects spam and I'm not sure how much moderation it get
[18:31] <m4n1sh> yeah, just for making the task easier
[18:31] <pedro_> seb128, m4n1sh, i guess so, let me check
[18:31] <m4n1sh> just search for zeitgeist topic
[18:32] <m4n1sh> topic is "Deeper Zeitgeist integration. Installation of datasources for default applications etc"
[18:32] <pedro_> should be easier to subscribe to the list ? ;-)
[18:32] <davmor2> chrisccoulson: out of interest is there a way to backup TB's setting like you can in EVO transferring a 1.7GB+ ~/.TB folder from one machine to another takes a while?
[18:32] <m4n1sh> pedro_: I am subscribed
[18:32] <m4n1sh> I do get mails
[18:32] <m4n1sh> but post has got held
[18:34] <pedro_> m4n1sh, done
[18:34] <m4n1sh> pedro_: thanks a lot
[18:34] <pedro_> you're welcome
[18:34] <m4n1sh> pedro_: is the list moderated?
[18:34] <m4n1sh> what reason did it say for my post getting held
[18:36] <seb128> m4n1sh, did you send from the email which is subscribed?
[18:36] <m4n1sh> yes
[18:36] <m4n1sh> that is why I am suprised
[18:38] <pedro_> m4n1sh, that's the reason
[18:38] <pedro_> you did not
[18:38] <pedro_> you're subscribed to the list with a @ubuntu.com
[18:38] <m4n1sh> hmmm
[18:38] <m4n1sh> now I understand
[18:38] <pedro_> and you sent the email from your own domain
[18:38] <m4n1sh> now i understand
[18:39] <m4n1sh> @ubuntu one uses the inbox for the id from which i sent
[18:39] <m4n1sh> anyway. Thanks
[18:40] <pedro_> no problem
[18:43] <dobey> oh bugger. the lp:ubuntu/avahi branch isn't up to date :-/
[18:46] <seb128> dobey, open a bug
[18:48] <dobey> seb128: against what exactly? avahi (Ubuntu)?
[18:49] <seb128> dobey, no, product udd
[18:51] <seb128> chrisccoulson, joke aside dunno if lot of people use server side filtering but is the "get all email" supposed to do lazy checking as well or is that a bug?
[18:52] <chrisccoulson> seb128, i'm not sure what that's meant to do
[18:52] <chrisccoulson> but it sounds like a bug ;)
[18:53] <seb128> chrisccoulson, one you are interested to pick up or one that will land in the launchpad void and is not worth filing?
[18:53] <chrisccoulson> seb128, i'll have a look in a bit what the button does :)
[18:53] <seb128> chrisccoulson, thanks
[18:54] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I should perhaps try client side filtering, but I guess even if tb is not crap that ought to be slow
[18:54] <seb128> well at least slower than server side filtering :p
[18:54] <dobey> seb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/udd/+bug/877658
[18:54] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 877658 in udd "lp:ubuntu/avahi is out of date" [Undecided,New]
[18:57] <seb128> dobey, thanks
[18:57] <seb128> let's see if james_w picks it
[19:39] <m_conley> mpt: ping
[19:40] <CarlFK> https://live.gnome.org/dconf/SystemAdministrators says "dconf stores its profiles in text files in /etc/dconf/profile/".  but I don't see /etc/dconf on Natty or Oneiric.  did it get moved somewhere?
[19:47] <seb128> CarlFK, what do you call "profiles"? it's not likely profiles you want but config ;-)
[19:49] <CarlFK> seb128: I am quoting that page - either way, where would i put the file that "dconf update" will find?
[19:49] <seb128> desrt, that's rather a dbus issue, but gsettings set failing due to dbus-launch initialization X11 fails ... do you have a recommended workaround?
[19:50] <desrt> on 'dconf update'?
[19:50] <seb128> desrt, CarlFK tries to set gsettings key during an install (not sure about the environement context where he runs the commands)
[19:50] <desrt> is this https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=662079 ?
[19:50] <ubot2> Gnome bug 662079 in dconf "Request for functionality to update database of a user, as well as for the system." [Enhancement,Unconfirmed]
[19:50] <seb128> CarlFK, ^ desrt is the gsettings,dconf writer
[19:51] <desrt> it's not really possible to inject values into the database of a particular user without being that user
[19:51] <desrt> unless you have systemd =)
[19:52] <CarlFK> lucky for me systemwide is fine
[19:52] <desrt> what is your usecase, specifically?
[19:52] <desrt> and why can't you use an override?
[19:53] <CarlFK> I am trying to disable screen saver,  blank screen on lid close, not dim.. few other power settings
[19:53] <CarlFK> and 2: I don't know how :)
[19:53] <desrt> are you working on ubuntu or are you a sysadmin? :)
[19:53] <seb128> desrt, he's not doing packaging if that's the question :p
[19:54] <CarlFK> configing up personal machines
[19:54] <seb128> i.e it's a custom install,sysadmin question
[19:54] <CarlFK> yeah
[19:54] <desrt> CarlFK: and you want the setting applied to all users
[19:54] <desrt> not just yourself
[19:54] <CarlFK> desrt: don't really care, the systems will only ever have 1 user
[19:54] <desrt> CarlFK: so just set those settings in your own session
[19:55] <CarlFK> how?
[19:55] <desrt> CarlFK: gnome-tweak-tool should let you do most of them
[19:55] <desrt> otherwise you can use the dconf-editor to get to the rest
[19:55] <CarlFK> ah, I want this done with a script that's called from the late_command hook of the installer
[19:55] <CarlFK> https://github.com/CarlFK/veyepar/blob/master/setup/scripts/late.sh
[19:56] <desrt> ah
[19:56] <desrt> deployment question
[19:56] <CarlFK> right
[19:56] <desrt> okay
[19:56] <desrt> then https://live.gnome.org/dconf/SystemAdministrators is for you
[19:56] <desrt> create /etc/dconf/profile directory and throw a file called "user" in there with two lines:
[19:56] <desrt> user
[19:56] <desrt> site
[19:56] <desrt> then create /etc/dconf/db/site.d/ and throw a keyfile in there with your custom settings
[19:56] <desrt> then run 'dconf update'
[19:56] <desrt> and you should be in good shape
[19:57] <CarlFK> cool - was surprised that those dirs didn't already exist
[19:57] <desrt> user settings (from ~) will take precedence over the ones in site.d
[19:57] <desrt> but you can also do locks (in the way describe on the wiki) if you like
[19:57] <desrt> CarlFK: it doesn't exist by default because dconf has its own built-in config
[19:58] <desrt> CarlFK: those extra files are only needed if the admin wants to mess around with stuff
[19:58] <CarlFK> the systems are more like appliances: single use.   I set them up, go to PyCon, record talks to the drive, encode, post, and ship all the systems back to Chicago :)
[19:59] <CarlFK> thanks for the tips on what to create.
[20:02] <CarlFK> desrt: not a problem for me, but i'm curious - why the uint32 when I do: $ gsettings get org.gnome.desktop.session idle-delay
[20:02] <CarlFK> uint32 600
[20:02] <CarlFK> everything else just dumps the number
[20:03] <desrt> because you're using GVariant
[20:03] <desrt> which has the dbus type system
[20:04] <desrt> which is very strongly typed -- unsigned ints and ints are not interchangeable
[20:04] <desrt> that particular setting is defined as being an unsigned int
[20:09] <chrisccoulson> seb128, mind trying this? http://people.canonical.com/~chrisccoulson/messagingmenu.xpi
[20:10] <chrisccoulson> although, i'm not sure it will fix your issue yet
[20:10] <chrisccoulson> it looks like messages are always marked as read before they are removed from a folder
[20:10] <chrisccoulson> but perhaps you hit a case that i don't ;)
[20:11] <seb128> chrisccoulson, yeah, I could reproduce it, not sure how it happened
[20:11] <seb128> I can try to run your version and see if it still happens
[20:12] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[20:12] <CarlFK> desrt: do I need to change all my dots to slashes in [org.gnome.desktop.screensaver] ?
[20:12] <CarlFK>  
[20:13] <chrisccoulson> seb128, can you turn on extensions.logging.enabled in the config editor as well, and run it in a console?
[20:13] <chrisccoulson> (that will produce a lot of output though)
[20:13] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I can do, but not sure how often I hit the issue
[20:13] <seb128> let see if I get anything from it ;-)
[20:15] <desrt> CarlFK: it's not always a direct one-to-one mapping
[20:15] <desrt> CarlFK: you should look at what path='' is defined by that schema
[20:15] <desrt> it's often the same, but it's best to check
[20:17] <desrt> note also that dconf is utterly aware of schemas, so you need to make sure you're explicit about the types
[20:17] <desrt> for the uint32 thing for example, you must explicitly write that
[20:17] <desrt> idle-delay=uint32 600
[20:52] <CarlFK> desrt: in the installer, trying to see if my settings took:  # gsettings get org.gnome.desktop.screensaver idle-activation-enabled = Segmentation fault
[20:52] <desrt> that's very interesting
[20:52] <desrt> stacktrace in a new bug on bugzilla.gnome.org, please?
[20:53] <CarlFK> is there some way to tell gdb not to prompt me with ---Type <return> to continue, or q <return> to quit---
[20:56] <CarlFK> http://dpaste.de/tJLir/  - is there a ddeb? I can install to get the missing tables?
[21:00] <seb128> CarlFK, http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/pool/main/d/d-conf/
[21:00] <seb128> the dconf-gsettings-backend one corresponding to your arch at least
[21:03] <CarlFK> seb128: yeah, that.  thanks
[21:17] <CarlFK> desrt: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=662141
[21:17] <ubot2> Gnome bug 662141 in gsettings backend "gsettings segfauilt" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[21:18] <desrt> CarlFK: thanks.  i'll take a look later on.
[22:03] <RAOF> Morning robert_ancell!
[22:04] <robert_ancell> RAOF, hello
[22:04] <TheMuso> Morning folks.
[22:05]  * bryceh waves
[22:05]  * TheMuso is watching the ongoing Qantas strikes with growing concern.
[22:05] <RAOF> TheMuso: Yeah.  It's time to book flights - it seems like a lot of people want to get to Budapest.
[22:06] <TheMuso> RAOF: I am not thinking about that, I am thinking about our upcoming flight to the US.
[22:06] <RAOF> Well, that too.
[22:06] <TheMuso> Although flights in January are somethign that need booking, agreed.
[22:14] <bryceh> who's turn to run the meeting this week?
[22:16] <bryceh> or, are we skipping this week on account of the release?
[22:17] <TheMuso> I suspect Jason is otherwise occupied, and forgot to request a chair for the meeting. :)
[22:17] <TheMuso> But I suspect we are pretty much all burried in merges/SRUs for Oneiric.
[22:18]  * bryceh nods
[22:21] <broder> TheMuso: hey, quick question. is there any way for me to cross-reference a window in the AT-SPI registry with its XID? i couldn't find a way, but figured you might know something i didn't
[22:22] <TheMuso> broder: I don't *think* so. I know an atk object is used to represet the window, but I am not sure whether it stores data about its X equivalent. I suggest looking through the atk API docs, and asking in #a11y on gimpnet to see if a more knowledgable atk person can help you.
[22:22] <TheMuso> I know a recent role for a window was introduced, but not sure if any more was done.
[22:25] <RAOF> dobey: I'm not familiar enough with grabs to be able to answer that well, sorry.
[22:58] <micahg> \o/ new GTK2 upstream release :)
[23:03] <tjader> hbmenu isn't working for me :/
[23:03] <tjader> ops
[23:03] <tjader> wrong channel, sorry
[23:24] <bryceh> pitti, now that the release is done, would love it if you could look at my patch for apport - https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/359810
[23:24] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 359810 in apport "support filing bugs against source packages" [Wishlist,Triaged]