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| sabdfl | Dholbach, hi | 09:32 |
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| dholbach | hey sabdfl | 09:32 |
| sabdfl | Cool, just checking comm from kiwi land | 09:33 |
| sabdfl | Thanks | 09:33 |
| dholbach | sabdfl, still 1h30m to go, right? :) | 09:33 |
| sabdfl | Catch you in 90 | 09:33 |
| dholbach | awesome :) | 09:33 |
| sabdfl | We going to get all hands? | 09:33 |
| dholbach | I'm aiming for "most hands" - I'll round up as many as I can, but with some living in SF, I doubt we get all | 09:34 |
| sabdfl | Ok, till then | 09:35 |
| dholbach | see you :) | 09:36 |
| beuno | o/ | 10:48 |
| dholbach | o// | 10:49 |
| YokoZar | mmhmm | 10:50 |
| YokoZar | Good....morning? | 10:59 |
| sabdfl | Hello all | 10:59 |
| beuno | good afternoon sabdfl | 11:00 |
| sabdfl | Who do we have from the CC? | 11:00 |
| * YokoZar waves | 11:00 | |
| beuno | o/ | 11:00 |
| technoviking | morning all | 11:01 |
| akgraner | o/ | 11:01 |
| popey | o/ | 11:01 |
| sabdfl | Beuno, London? | 11:01 |
| dholbach | it looks like we have beuno (new CC), YokoZar (new CC), popey (old CC), czajkowski (new CC) and Gwaihir (maybe new CC), technoviking (old CC) | 11:01 |
| beuno | sabdfl, not this week, back home now. Was adjusting to your NZ TZ :) | 11:01 |
| sabdfl | Heh | 11:01 |
| sabdfl | Thanks Daniel | 11:01 |
| czajkowski | aloha | 11:01 |
| Gwaihir | hello all! | 11:02 |
| sabdfl | Daniel, can you take us through any agenda items, then I'll lead a general welcome and discussion | 11:02 |
| akgraner | o/ | 11:02 |
| dholbach | oh, and akgraner :) | 11:02 |
| dholbach | our agenda wiki page is empty, but I think it's worth talking about handover and making sure we announce the final new CC | 11:03 |
| sabdfl | Ok. Any word from emmet? | 11:03 |
| dholbach | but that's something we can easily do after the welcome and discussion | 11:03 |
| dholbach | no, unfortunately not - I texted him, mailed him, PMed him and sent a memo through MemoServ :-( | 11:04 |
| YokoZar | persia is in the channel, at least | 11:04 |
| sabdfl | Persia, around? | 11:04 |
| czajkowski | and idle over a day | 11:04 |
| czajkowski | so active in some way at least | 11:04 |
| dholbach | czajkowski, or his irc proxy/relay merely reconnected | 11:05 |
| czajkowski | dholbach: aye perhaps | 11:05 |
| sabdfl | Regardless, we've not heard, we'll move on | 11:06 |
| dholbach | whatever the decision is we take here, I'll try harder to hear back from him and if it's just to make sure that he's OK | 11:07 |
| sabdfl | Gwaihir, I understand you are willing to serve on this term of the cc, welcome | 11:07 |
| Gwaihir | sabdfl, yes, I'll be willing to step in, as confirmed to dholbach | 11:07 |
| Gwaihir | and thank you for the welcome! | 11:08 |
| sabdfl | Daniel, you and I should follow up with Persia as you say, but the role is bigger than the man, and we have clear guidance on the need to participate or step down | 11:08 |
| * dholbach nods | 11:08 | |
| sabdfl | I'll update LP on the morrow | 11:09 |
| dholbach | and I'll add Milo to the CC list | 11:09 |
| czajkowski | Gwaihir: welcome :) | 11:09 |
| sabdfl | Right, we have good representation of prior and new CC | 11:09 |
| * Gwaihir thanks czajkowski | 11:09 | |
| sabdfl | I want to offer an open mike to departing cc members | 11:10 |
| dholbach | also I'll take an action to summarise the "open items" of the old CC and try to provide sufficient background on all of them | 11:10 |
| sabdfl | Good idea dholbach, let's do that by email | 11:10 |
| dholbach | yep | 11:10 |
| sabdfl | Big picture, old cc, what do you want to see from the new team? | 11:10 |
| popey | i think i used up my open mike at the last meeting ;) | 11:10 |
| sabdfl | Yeah, I read all about it ;) | 11:11 |
| sabdfl | I think we can put that on te agenda tonight | 11:11 |
| popey | yup, I'm happy with the progress jono etc are making there | 11:12 |
| popey | be good for the new cc to keep tabs on it though. | 11:12 |
| sabdfl | I thought about it and came to the conclusion I blogged | 11:12 |
| YokoZar | ~persia, I don't know how long he's been mia but personally I wouldn't feel compelled to replace him until UDS | 11:13 |
| sabdfl | W haven't reduced the places community participates, but we have added scope for product definition | 11:13 |
| sabdfl | Yokozar, it's done | 11:13 |
| YokoZar | aye | 11:13 |
| sabdfl | I thought Martin Owens take was interesting | 11:13 |
| sabdfl | Sine he was one of those most taken aback when we started to step up on design | 11:14 |
| beuno | sabdfl, this was his comment on your blog post? | 11:15 |
| YokoZar | Martin and I have discussed it in the past | 11:15 |
| popey | http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/805#comment-378929 | 11:15 |
| sabdfl | Yes. As I read it, he was saying 'I was upset when this started, but it's actually headed in a good direction, let's see where it goes' | 11:16 |
| sabdfl | There are a few hard truths that I think floss folk need to accept | 11:16 |
| sabdfl | The first is that corporate teams can do heavy lifting that cannot be done by consensus or consortia | 11:16 |
| czajkowski | nods | 11:17 |
| sabdfl | Mob in and meego and limo are samples of failures on the consortium front - as will tine | 11:17 |
| sabdfl | Tizen | 11:17 |
| sabdfl | Red hat is playing this role in Gnome, regardless of the populist story of community design | 11:18 |
| sabdfl | The second is that it's pointless to aim for total transparency | 11:18 |
| sabdfl | Any company has to figure out what it an commit to on it's own time and dime | 11:19 |
| YokoZar | Martin hinted at improvement, but I think the cynicism he's referring to is still very much out there. | 11:19 |
| sabdfl | Red hat, intel, canonical, Duse | 11:19 |
| czajkowski | sabdfl: I think we can improve our communications about what has been disucssed and come to the conclusions of | 11:19 |
| akgraner | So I don't think the majority of the people mind that Canonical does the heavy lifting, I think that people just want to know with certainty how and where they fit into the bigger picture | 11:19 |
| beuno | having been talking to a lot of people about this issue, I think there's a subtelty to the design issue that hasn't quite been expressed, the direction we're moving in is no longer heavily focused on power users, which our community is mostly composed of, making them feel Ubuntu is not for them anymore. I think there's a gap there we need to figure out how to fill. | 11:20 |
| sabdfl | I don't really care about the cynical view, it's poorly informed and cannot actually turn into a viable force | 11:20 |
| akgraner | and where they can be most beneficial | 11:20 |
| sabdfl | I'm not sure I agree | 11:20 |
| sabdfl | Power users are adopting MacOS in droves | 11:21 |
| YokoZar | There's a pretty big gulf of difference between total transparency and the opacity of Mac | 11:21 |
| sabdfl | Exactly | 11:21 |
| sabdfl | Tere are vastly more opportunities to participate in ubuntu than MacOS | 11:21 |
| beuno | right, sorry, I didn't mean related to transparency in decision making | 11:22 |
| czajkowski | indeed which is great to see and more oportunities for people to express themselves | 11:22 |
| sabdfl | From an actual participation point of view, I think we are incredibly accessible | 11:22 |
| czajkowski | agree | 11:22 |
| czajkowski | there are many ways for people to intereact and join in if they chose to do so. | 11:22 |
| sabdfl | I'm not interested in the griping of a person who wants to be able to put the launcher St the top and add xeyes to it | 11:22 |
| sabdfl | Especially if they won't contribute a patch, with tests, and commit to maintain it | 11:23 |
| YokoZar | Well put | 11:23 |
| sabdfl | There are plenty of places for that in the broader *bunt universe | 11:23 |
| beuno | right, and maybe that's something to explore as a way to channel some of these folks | 11:24 |
| dholbach | I agree that things have improved, especially in the unity world where there's loads of people contributing nowadays, but I see the concerns brought forward in the last meeting as something a bit broader - we have a lot of people who do fantastic work and who are perceived as the leaders in their domain - this is great, but at the same time can be intimidating and leaving contributors in a spot where they don't exactly know how and what t | 11:24 |
| dholbach | o contribute because a possible perception by bold plans and actions could be the question "where do I fit in there?" | 11:24 |
| czajkowski | yup, if people have issues and do want to change things, I'd rather see them giving a soltion rather than pointing out flaws, eveyrone can do that If you want to be part of the community, provide a solution | 11:24 |
| YokoZar | What about messes we create? | 11:25 |
| sabdfl | In that light, at UDS I'll outline a lot more of the big picture we've been working towards | 11:25 |
| sabdfl | In other words, what Ubuntu could be by 14.04 | 11:25 |
| popey | It's been pointed out to me on more than one occasion that we're chasing 'users' and losing 'contributors'. | 11:25 |
| sabdfl | Now, it can only be that with broad engagement with a passionate community | 11:25 |
| sabdfl | Of contributors ;) | 11:26 |
| YokoZar | Agreed. | 11:26 |
| Gwaihir | I agree with dholbach, even in our community we feel that people are willing to contribute, a lot, but they are a little bit lost where to start and on how to start | 11:26 |
| akgraner | I think it all fits together - 1) acknowledge the flaw as a flaw 2) if determined it is a flaw plan to fix the flaw 3) implement said plan 4) measure the success...so pointing out the flaw is the first step | 11:26 |
| sabdfl | As Daniel said, we've established a good pattern of contribution to unity | 11:26 |
| sabdfl | That's crucial | 11:27 |
| czajkowski | yup, I think the unity developers get an unfair amount of flack for unity and do a great job | 11:27 |
| sabdfl | Pretty cool that we have both contributions to the core, and apps integrating | 11:27 |
| sabdfl | So how do we put the boot into the griping? | 11:28 |
| YokoZar | I think there are two kinds of griping | 11:28 |
| YokoZar | There's the classic kind that you mentioned earlier | 11:28 |
| sabdfl | I'm sick of it, it's very demotivating | 11:28 |
| popey | sabdfl: +1 | 11:28 |
| sabdfl | And it's basically uninformed | 11:28 |
| sabdfl | We tried to help gnome and got the finger, now we are going to find our own way | 11:28 |
| beuno | so one of the challenges is how do we take something centrally designed, not necessarily 100% in the open, and help everyone feel like they're part of it | 11:29 |
| sabdfl | And in that regard, we are leading, others are following, and it's easy to participate | 11:29 |
| YokoZar | I worry most about regressions | 11:29 |
| sabdfl | Regressions would be a great focus for contribution | 11:30 |
| YokoZar | I think griping there has a legitimacy to it, since in that case the solution the griper proposes can be for us to simply not have done whatever we did that broke it | 11:30 |
| sabdfl | Because they are easiest to detect and fix on a crowd sourced basic | 11:30 |
| akgraner | If people have skin in the game they are less likely to grip, whine, moan etc - so let's make sure we communicate all the ways there are to contribute and where to go to get started and put some skin in the game, mentor new leaders to step up, train new people to do the roles that other people have held for years etc | 11:30 |
| YokoZar | For simple bugs like hardware and stuff, yeah. Those are mere quality regressions. | 11:30 |
| czajkowski | skin? | 11:31 |
| YokoZar | But sometimes this bold new design of ours causes a regression in experience in some case that used to work well, and we don't clean up our own mess. | 11:31 |
| sabdfl | I wish folk realised how much canonical spends on doing bugs that after hardware which is not certified | 11:31 |
| akgraner | czajkowski, skin=it means they have a stake in the outcome | 11:31 |
| czajkowski | k | 11:31 |
| sabdfl | We could of course reduce the team, and just focus on hardware that we're paid to make work, leaving the community to fix hardware that the community cares about | 11:32 |
| YokoZar | oh man I sympathize totally, hardware is a complete beast. But at least the solution is straightforward in most cases, and not particularly controversial | 11:32 |
| akgraner | sabdfl, so how can we as a team work on making sure we have a clear picture so we can effectively communicate that to the community | 11:32 |
| akgraner | so we aren't misinformed first and foremost | 11:33 |
| marianom | hi everybody | 11:33 |
| sabdfl | Akgraner, I think the good news is, we've swallowed all the bitter pills already | 11:33 |
| akgraner | :-) | 11:33 |
| YokoZar | Perhaps an explicit example of the kind of thing I'm talking about might help here | 11:34 |
| sabdfl | In the move to Unity, and U1, that's all the hard stuff I can think of | 11:34 |
| YokoZar | Yup | 11:35 |
| czajkowski | indeed | 11:35 |
| sabdfl | Now, we need to figure out two things | 11:35 |
| sabdfl | First how we build a community that is behind those choices, and thick skinned to those who want something else, because at the end of the day we cannot be all things to all people | 11:36 |
| sabdfl | And second, how we make those things *great* | 11:36 |
| YokoZar | There are still things out there (and users that relied on them) that were regressed by some of the tradeoffs Unity made, for instance. And we haven't fixed all those "regressions". In some cases we've probably not even acknowledged them. You'd need thick skin indeed to be able to deal with the kind of resentment that might breed. | 11:37 |
| beuno | yeah, I think there's some middle ground here | 11:37 |
| sabdfl | Regressions that don't involve splitting attention can be fixed, and patches welcome | 11:37 |
| dholbach | moving forward I think it's important to deal with gripes about quality, because they might have actual fact to them and then celebrate our successes and create an environment that contributors want to be part of (team atmosphere, ease of getting started, knowing what to do, etc.) - whoever doesn't like the decisions has alternatives | 11:38 |
| sabdfl | For example, if the move to compiz broke a shortcut which is still useful, let's take a patch | 11:38 |
| sabdfl | If the regression is that one cannot add a gnome applet to the panel, tou | 11:38 |
| sabdfl | Gh | 11:38 |
| czajkowski | REgression happens, patches welcome, unless it affects key ares such as a11y and making it totally unusable | 11:39 |
| czajkowski | then those need to be fixed | 11:40 |
| sabdfl | We are the only commercial grade platform that anybody can participate in shaping as an actual final product | 11:40 |
| YokoZar | sabdfl: Well put. Perhaps the diffculty out there is that some people are expecting Canonical to fix every kind of regression, when that's not quite feasible. So instead Canonical focuses on its own priorities, and the lack of a fix gets interpretted badly | 11:40 |
| sabdfl | Some sector of the floss community finds that exciting, that's our audience | 11:41 |
| czajkowski | YokoZar: +1 | 11:41 |
| sabdfl | What we do is not a prototype or a concept or a community edition or a developer-only offering | 11:41 |
| AlanBell | what I think needs a bit more definition is the use case for Ubuntu, home or office. At the moment it is kind of both. This also defines the community. | 11:42 |
| sabdfl | Yokozar, daniel can speak eloquently to the ease with which fixes can land; if issues are really widely relevant, the communityis completely empowered to fix em | 11:43 |
| beuno | I'm not sure we've gotten any closer to figuring out how to improve the current situation, though | 11:44 |
| YokoZar | sabdfl: Yeah. I wonder if there may be an expectation problem though...I personally, for instance, am much more likely to take up a task when I know no one else is going to do it unless I do. So when I have false expectations that something will be taken care of by someone else then things stay broken. | 11:44 |
| sabdfl | Well, being clear about mutual interests and commitments is a start | 11:44 |
| sabdfl | Alanbell, I think you're right, and we can nail that at UDS | 11:45 |
| YokoZar | I think it's a good discussion to have. First thing that comes to my mind is that, eg, Mono has a nice "Stuff we're not working on but would totally accept community contributions for" wiki page that's really easy to find. | 11:46 |
| sabdfl | As a start, we're going to split out the corporate and consumer use cases | 11:46 |
| czajkowski | that s agood start | 11:46 |
| YokoZar | Universe/Main is a similar thing we do well | 11:46 |
| sabdfl | I'd like Canonical to do a corporate desktop remix, where we focus on corporate needs like thin clients and acrobat | 11:46 |
| sabdfl | With Ubuntu itself focused on the consumer and home user | 11:47 |
| sabdfl | That would be a good start | 11:47 |
| YokoZar | Would that involve Canonical products like Landscape? | 11:47 |
| sabdfl | Yokozar, we could tag unity bugs to get the same effect | 11:48 |
| czajkowski | +1 | 11:48 |
| dholbach | YokoZar, I think you're mentioning an interesting problem - maybe less in the world of bugs and code, where you can easily see to whom a bug is assigned - but in the world or planning and organisation I've experienced expectations that led to nothing happening (ie: "I thought Jono and his team would deal with this") - but maybe that's a separate discussion to have, probably at the leadership mini sprint at UDS | 11:48 |
| sabdfl | Yokozar, more streamlining of ubuntu, sans gwibber and games, adding things like remote desktop clients and adobe bits | 11:48 |
| czajkowski | that does make a lot of sense really | 11:49 |
| sabdfl | Ok | 11:50 |
| sabdfl | Who's coming to UDS? | 11:51 |
| dholbach | o/ | 11:51 |
| akgraner | o/ | 11:51 |
| YokoZar | o/ | 11:51 |
| AlanBell | sabdfl: that would be great, and you can have a community of consumer app developers, a corporate support and integration ecosystem (including Canonical), and end user customers of the OEM channel | 11:51 |
| Gwaihir | o/ | 11:51 |
| Pendulum | sorry, I just had to catch up, but I would like to point out that sometimes there are regressions where the users being affected can't do the fixing (this is currently an issue with an accessility bug that means that there's no working screen magnifier for all of either version of Unity) | 11:52 |
| popey | not me ☹ | 11:52 |
| czajkowski | pleia2: is also | 11:52 |
| akgraner | lyz will be there too | 11:52 |
| czajkowski | noe me :( | 11:52 |
| YokoZar | sabdfl: Yeah, I think some sort of mechanism in Unity in particular would be useful here (well, any Main app really, especially ones where Canonical is upstream), since there the default assumption probably isn't "community needs to take care of this" | 11:52 |
| czajkowski | *not | 11:52 |
| sabdfl | My turn on the bull, Daniel has the floor ;) | 11:52 |
| czajkowski | I thinkn 7/8 of the CC will be there | 11:52 |
| AlanBell | though for the corporate desktop I would focus on LDAP and configuration management (like ensemble) rather than thin clients | 11:52 |
| technoviking | I will not | 11:52 |
| czajkowski | technoviking: morning | 11:53 |
| dholbach | I haven't done so yet, but I'd like to thank everybody for their hard work on the CC. Big big hugs! :) | 11:53 |
| Pendulum | dholbach: +1 | 11:53 |
| technoviking | czajkowski: morning | 11:53 |
| akgraner | dholbach, +1 | 11:53 |
| Gwaihir | dholbach, +1 | 11:53 |
| * technoviking hugs dholbach | 11:53 | |
| dholbach | I'll try to get the summary of open CC items out tomorrow, so I hope that'll spark some interesting conversations, and hopefully let us find solutions to all of them. :-) | 11:54 |
| akgraner | thanks dholbach | 11:54 |
| czajkowski | excellent plan thanks dholbach | 11:54 |
| dholbach | are there any questions from new CC members? | 11:54 |
| czajkowski | nope I think this has been a productive 1st meeting | 11:54 |
| sabdfl | Agreed, welcome aboard, and see most of you in Orlando! | 11:55 |
| dholbach | that's all I can think of for now | 11:55 |
| akgraner | not at this time....interesting 1st meeting though | 11:55 |
| akgraner | sabdfl, thank you! | 11:55 |
| Gwaihir | not for me now too, I think I already have a big picture of the tasks ahead | 11:55 |
| YokoZar | Thank you folks | 11:55 |
| sabdfl | Adios e gracias | 11:55 |
| dholbach | it looks like our next CC meeting will be during UDS | 11:55 |
| popey | o;/ | 11:56 |
| YokoZar | dholbach: postpone it, hold a room? | 11:56 |
| dholbach | so let's try to figure out a way of how we can do this, or maybe move it - we can do that via email I think and update the wiki page accordingly | 11:56 |
| YokoZar | iirc it's at a reasonable hour florida time | 11:56 |
| Gwaihir | dholbach, what time will be the meeting in Orlando timezone? | 11:56 |
| dholbach | 21:00 UTC is what ... 18:00 Florida time? | 11:57 |
| dholbach | if that's the case, it should be right after sessions, which should be alright | 11:57 |
| dholbach | let's figure this out via email :) | 11:58 |
| highvoltage | man I wish I could've woken up 40 minutes earlier :) | 11:58 |
| dholbach | I'm getting hungry :) | 11:58 |
| * beuno will miss this UDS | 11:58 | |
| * dholbach hugs you all | 11:58 | |
| dholbach | thanks everybody, you all rock! | 11:58 |
| Gwaihir | thank you all for this first meeting! | 11:58 |
| YokoZar | cheers | 11:58 |
| * beuno waves | 11:59 | |
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| jono | alrighty! | 15:00 |
| jono | time for the Canonical community team meeting | 15:00 |
| * jono tries to figure out the bot | 15:01 | |
| popey | hash startmeeting | 15:01 |
| jono | #startmeeting | 15:01 |
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| jono | aha! | 15:01 |
| jcastro | hah | 15:01 |
| jono | ok, so this is the first Canonical community team meeting on IRC | 15:01 |
| jono | the goal here is to provide a more transparent view of what the team is doing | 15:02 |
| jono | in each meeting we usually kick off with a set of roundtables where every discusses what they have been doing over the last week | 15:02 |
| jono | obviously confidential topics will not be mentioned, but 99% of topics are open anyway | 15:02 |
| jono | so, let's kick off | 15:02 |
| jono | dholbach, want to go first? | 15:02 |
| jcastro | he's giving a class | 15:03 |
| dholbach | jono, giving an UOW session right now - dpm has my notes :) | 15:03 |
| kim0 | hehe | 15:03 |
| jono | ok | 15:03 |
| jono | dpm? | 15:03 |
| jono | slacker, even on the first one | 15:03 |
| jono | lol | 15:03 |
| dpm | jono I'm here! | 15:03 |
| dpm | lol | 15:03 |
| jono | dpm, can you post dholbach's notes? | 15:03 |
| dpm | sure | 15:03 |
| dpm | So here are dholbach's notes: | 15:04 |
| dpm | ∘ CC election + hand-over to new CC | 15:04 |
| dpm | ∘ dev survey | 15:04 |
| dpm | ∘ uds sponsorship - almost done | 15:04 |
| dpm | ∘ email - down to 10 in my inbox! | 15:04 |
| dpm | ∘ discussion on ubuntu-devel about NEW packages | 15:04 |
| dpm | ∘ updated 12.04 plans | 15:05 |
| dpm | ∘ stitched together pic of all uploaders (with LP profile pic) to oneiric for weekly dev update: http://people.canonical.com/~dholbach/oneiric.jpg | 15:05 |
| dpm | ∘ set up precise vm | 15:05 |
| jono | the uploaders pic was awesome | 15:05 |
| * dpm +1's | 15:05 | |
| dpm | ∘ set up patch pilot schedule | 15:05 |
| dpm | And that was Daniel's most relevant activities for the week | 15:06 |
| kim0 | super time efficient! | 15:06 |
| jono | seriously :-) | 15:06 |
| jono | ok, dpm want to go next? | 15:06 |
| dpm | jono, sure | 15:06 |
| dpm | So my week was divided in translations and mostly app developer stuff: | 15:07 |
| dpm | Translations | 15:07 |
| dpm | ------------ | 15:07 |
| dpm | * Ensured translation stats are ready for release (they're now updated automatically every day at http://is.gd/aTv7eu ) | 15:07 |
| dpm | * Sent skaet the release notes for translations to go into the general release notes | 15:07 |
| dpm | * Filed a bunch of translations bugs, mostly software-center-related. Some were fixed pre-release, some might have to be SRU'd | 15:07 |
| dpm | * Some discussions on the mailing list. Highlight: Oneiric post-release language pack updates schedule | 15:08 |
| dpm | App devel | 15:08 |
| dpm | --------- | 15:08 |
| dpm | * Went through some of the bugs in the ubuntuappdeveloperportal project in Launchpad | 15:08 |
| dpm | * Fixed the simple-player tutorial on developer.ubuntu.com (there were some out-of-date parts) | 15:08 |
| dpm | * Started regular calls with jpugh to ensure both the community and the business sides work together on promoting app development | 15:08 |
| dpm | * Went through app-development-related questions on askubuntu and tagged them as 'application-development'. We've now got more than 100! | 15:08 |
| dpm | * Some discussions on integrating the ARB process into MyApps | 15:09 |
| dpm | Other - community | 15:09 |
| dpm | ----------------- | 15:09 |
| dpm | * Had a call with kim0 to discuss 12.04 strategy | 15:09 |
| dpm | * Worked with johnoxton from the web design team on a revamp of the ubuntu.com/community page | 15:09 |
| dpm | * Made a list of the active community teams and their resources | 15:09 |
| dpm | Other | 15:09 |
| dpm | ----- | 15:09 |
| dpm | * Bank holiday last Wednesday | 15:09 |
| dpm | And that was my week | 15:10 |
| jono | thanks dpm, also thanks for the u.c/community discussion | 15:10 |
| jono | did John reach out to you regarding reqs? | 15:10 |
| jono | I met with him in London | 15:10 |
| dpm | jono, no worries - yeah, we've been having some calls and working together on this | 15:10 |
| jono | given that they are tight on time, I think his plans look great for outlining five or so key roles | 15:10 |
| jono | awesome | 15:11 |
| jono | dpm spins his d.u.c magic | 15:11 |
| jono | :-) | 15:11 |
| jono | thanks dpm | 15:11 |
| dpm | :) | 15:11 |
| jono | kim0 next? | 15:11 |
| kim0 | Sure | 15:11 |
| kim0 | I don't have it pre-written .. so typing fasst .. | 15:11 |
| kim0 | - was off half last week .. so did some general catchup | 15:12 |
| jcastro | I am lucky I get to go last! | 15:12 |
| jono | no worries kim0 | 15:12 |
| kim0 | - Finished off the strategic plan | 15:12 |
| jono | jcastro, see what I did for you there? | 15:12 |
| jono | ;-) | 15:12 |
| * jono hugs jcastro | 15:12 | |
| kim0 | - Had a talk with dpm on that as well (thanks) | 15:12 |
| kim0 | - Needed to push the reviewed serverguide on Oneiric release day! | 15:12 |
| kim0 | -- For that, reviewed the remaining 3 chapters myself | 15:13 |
| kim0 | -- sent out coordination emails on server list asking every volunteer to review their chapters | 15:13 |
| kim0 | -- created 5 merge proposals for chapters .. reached out to doc committers list | 15:13 |
| kim0 | -- reached out to translators list to get confirmation, we can push and that no translator is on it | 15:13 |
| kim0 | -- finally all chapters merged .. success | 15:14 |
| kim0 | - Created nice green visulasion and blogged it http://cloud.ubuntu.com/2011/10/ubuntu-serverguide-community-review-100percent/ | 15:14 |
| kim0 | - Created wiki page on using juju to control an orchestra server fleet: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/OrchestraJuju | 15:14 |
| kim0 | - Created wiki page on install ubuntu-cloud (openstack) using juju charms on top of orchestra : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/UbuntuCloudOrchestraJuju | 15:15 |
| kim0 | - Blogged an article with pointers to all four needed pages: http://cloud.ubuntu.com/2011/10/ubuntu-cloud-deployment-with-orchestra-and-juju/ | 15:15 |
| kim0 | - Also created a video demo'ing ubuntu-cloud-live today .. apparently youtube chokes on OGV | 15:15 |
| kim0 | so converting to whatever and pushing today | 15:16 |
| kim0 | - smaller stuff: Fill cloud part in dpm's new community overview page, review UCD for Amber's checklist document, cloud portal maintainence (answer comments) | 15:16 |
| kim0 | that's mostly all | 15:16 |
| jono | thanks kim0 | 15:17 |
| jono | jcastro, your go | 15:17 |
| jcastro | ok! | 15:17 |
| jcastro | DONE: | 15:17 |
| jcastro | - Plenaries are all done (2 left from Linaro) | 15:17 |
| jcastro | - We have a car for UDS for the week before the sprint. | 15:17 |
| jcastro | - Reviewed upstream linkages in release notes for Kate. | 15:17 |
| jcastro | - Finished the mobile schedule, should be public any day now. | 15:17 |
| jcastro | - Submitted talk with Clint for SCALeS awesome cloud day. | 15:17 |
| jcastro | - Went to Puerto Rico this weekend and drank from a coconut, and then ate the coconut. It was awesome. | 15:17 |
| jcastro | DOING: | 15:17 |
| jcastro | - Openweek stuff. | 15:17 |
| jcastro | - Random "how do I schedule a session?" questions from ubuntu developers. | 15:17 |
| jcastro | - Send people here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS/Scheduling | 15:17 |
| jcastro | - Random UDS things, updating the website. | 15:17 |
| jcastro | - Still procastinating on my goals and blueprints, but I promise to start today, for real. Actually can we set a deadline? | 15:17 |
| jcastro | - Ping from some developers on app indicator support, sent them to DX. | 15:17 |
| jcastro | - Messing with juju local dev, this will be wicked. | 15:17 |
| jcastro | - Working with guy who is porting the AU and reddit lenses to 11.10. He's blocking on a bug, followed up with didrocks, mikkel's got a patch in hand and it's been reviewed by Tomau upstream, waiting on an SRU to make Python lenses actually work. | 15:17 |
| jcastro | - Telling the world about the Ubuntu Friendly thing, because it's awesome | 15:17 |
| jcastro | TODOs: | 15:17 |
| jcastro | In an unprecedent move to improve transparency, I am making my TODO list public, and prototpying this with akgraner and pleia, anyone is welcome to join in and assign me stuff. You can see what I am working on in real time, holla at me if you want to give this a shot and see if it works for us: | 15:17 |
| jcastro | - https://trello.com/board/community-team/4e6febfb247e35000000aab1 | 15:17 |
| jcastro | - https://trello.com/board/classroom/4e94f7afaef5aa0000a5d2ea | 15:17 |
| jcastro | any questions? | 15:17 |
| jcastro | :) | 15:17 |
| kim0 | man u should paste line by line | 15:17 |
| kim0 | :) | 15:17 |
| jono | braindrump | 15:18 |
| dpm | jcastro, showoff! | 15:18 |
| jono | hate that guy | 15:18 |
| jono | lol | 15:18 |
| jono | one of the nice things about this meeting format is that I am listening to Dio right now :-) | 15:18 |
| jono | thanks jcastro | 15:18 |
| jono | ok, I am up next | 15:18 |
| jono | -- Week before in Boston for OpenStack Summit - good event, JuJu demo went really well, the team did an awesome job. | 15:18 |
| jono | Also sat in on their governance/foundation session - was interesting, but I think they are going to face more challenges than they face | 15:18 |
| jono | the real challenge is when all the companies want things outside of the published governance | 15:19 |
| jono | -- In London last week for the release sprint - sat in management meetings for half of it | 15:19 |
| jono | discussed as range of topics in mgmt meetings such as new quality processes for 12.04, localized isos (dpm need to discuss this with you), derivs and the release process | 15:19 |
| jono | outside of that discussed Mark's opening talk at UDS, the design<->community process and how we open it up more, caught up on the ARB | 15:20 |
| jono | was great to hang with some of the QA folks, jibel and gema are awesome | 15:20 |
| jono | also had a bunch of calls with community members over the recent feedback and concerns about motivation - merged that into my notes | 15:20 |
| dpm | jono, on localized isos, the main point to resolve now is testing. I had a chat with skaet and arranged a call with her and jibel next Monday | 15:20 |
| jono | hit up the release party which was fun, and I still blame popey for my head on the flight back | 15:20 |
| jono | dpm, yeah, I want to ensure we tightly scope that work | 15:21 |
| jono | all you should focus on is connecting the translations leads to the release process | 15:21 |
| jono | we don't want to spend too much time on this one with everything else going on | 15:21 |
| jono | got back on Friday and I am behind on email | 15:21 |
| jono | -- UDS related bits | 15:21 |
| jono | social events finished | 15:22 |
| jono | finalizing Linaro requirements - they all seem set now | 15:22 |
| jono | blueprinting going well, badgered engineering managers and tech leads about it - the schedule is starting to form now | 15:22 |
| jono | jcastro, we need to keep an eye on the BPs to approve them - I approved 55 last night | 15:22 |
| jono | pgraner and I also discussed plans for Allstars :-) | 15:22 |
| jcastro | wait, I don't approve blueprints | 15:22 |
| jcastro | or am I supposed to now? | 15:22 |
| jono | jcastro, oh, I thought you did | 15:22 |
| jono | jcastro, I know I can, who else can? | 15:23 |
| jcastro | track leads | 15:23 |
| jono | ahhh cool | 15:23 |
| jono | I will pester them again | 15:23 |
| jono | -- spent a bunch of time working on gathering and processing community feedback to resolve community concerns | 15:23 |
| jono | oh, hang on | 15:23 |
| jono | jcastro, did you get that Nokia session scheduled | 15:23 |
| jono | I am not sure if Claire reached out to you | 15:23 |
| jcastro | let me check | 15:24 |
| jono | thanks | 15:24 |
| jono | I will carry | 15:24 |
| jono | on | 15:24 |
| jono | survey is still gathering results, plan on closing that off tomorrow and then start processing results | 15:24 |
| jono | more calls | 15:24 |
| jono | email feedback was plentiful, some patterns observed in common concerns | 15:24 |
| jono | discussed with folks at OpenStack and London about this, got some great feedback from some ex-Canonical staff for areas of focus | 15:24 |
| jono | already started providing some responses and solutions, but plan to start releasing the data later this week, and next week | 15:25 |
| jono | -- 12.04 plan | 15:25 |
| jono | working with the team to finalize 12.04 plans | 15:25 |
| jono | switching around some team responsibilities | 15:25 |
| jono | I think that is mostly it from me | 15:25 |
| jcastro | I'm unaware of any nokia session | 15:26 |
| jcastro | is this a session or a plenary? | 15:26 |
| jono | jcastro, remember how we discussed having a Qt plenary but we were full so we suggested a session | 15:26 |
| jono | we discussed this at OpenStack | 15:26 |
| jono | I will ask clan to ping you to coordinate | 15:26 |
| jcastro | ah ok | 15:26 |
| jcastro | I can ping her | 15:26 |
| jono | thanks | 15:26 |
| jcastro | no worries, sorry, I verbally agreed but didn't write down | 15:27 |
| jono | np | 15:27 |
| jono | on UDS related business - jcastro can you keep an eye on the leadership summit and ensure it keeps getting moved back to Bonaire 2? | 15:27 |
| jcastro | is it moving around?! | 15:27 |
| jono | yup | 15:28 |
| jono | it was last night | 15:28 |
| jono | sorry, pal | 15:28 |
| jono | I know you hate doing this | 15:28 |
| jcastro | huh, weird | 15:28 |
| jcastro | ok I will keep an eye on it | 15:28 |
| jono | thanks! | 15:28 |
| jono | ok, so does anyone have any agenda items? | 15:28 |
| jcastro | maybe someone else is moving it | 15:28 |
| jcastro | jono: yeah | 15:28 |
| jono | jcastro, I doubt someone else moved it, the room was empty | 15:28 |
| jono | I think it must be the autoscheduler | 15:29 |
| jcastro | hmm, we'll look into it, it's not supposed to move things after you manually set them | 15:29 |
| jcastro | one thing we do need to fix | 15:29 |
| jono | weird | 15:29 |
| jono | thanks | 15:29 |
| jono | so any agenda items folks? | 15:29 |
| jcastro | is mhall119 is still struggling with IS on the memory errors on the server hosting summit | 15:29 |
| jono | mhall119? | 15:29 |
| jcastro | we might need your ticket bumping powers if the next thing they try doesn't work | 15:29 |
| jono | ok | 15:30 |
| james_w | we hope that is resolved | 15:30 |
| dpm | I've got nothing for the agenda today | 15:30 |
| james_w | some changes were made that hopefully will fix the memory problems | 15:30 |
| james_w | I haven't heard any reports of problems since | 15:30 |
| jono | ok cool | 15:31 |
| jono | so I have a few short agenda items | 15:32 |
| mhall119 | I haven't gotten any error emails since the change | 15:32 |
| jono | kim0, jcastro, dpm, dholbach UDS related bits:L | 15:32 |
| jono | I have asked msm to book us a few private meetings to discuss team related bits after the plenaries on the Mon and Wed | 15:32 |
| jono | also could you all ensure you get your blueprints registered this week | 15:33 |
| jono | next week we will be at the pre-UDS sprints and things are gonna be crazy then | 15:33 |
| jcastro | ok, so by friday? | 15:33 |
| jono | jcastro, no urgent date, but get most of it in this week | 15:33 |
| jono | jcastro, we need to review youe 12.04 plan before then | 15:33 |
| * jcastro nods | 15:33 | |
| jono | one other topic | 15:34 |
| jono | for those of you who are not aware, which should be everyone apart from the team, Eric Ward left us last week | 15:34 |
| jono | Eric was working as the new QA Community Coordinator | 15:34 |
| jono | unfortunately Eric felt like the role was just not right for him | 15:35 |
| jono | and he left part way through the release sprint | 15:35 |
| jono | that's it from me really | 15:36 |
| jono | any other business? | 15:36 |
| jcastro | I believe dholbach wanted to talk more about Dio | 15:36 |
| jono | haha | 15:36 |
| jono | he always does | 15:36 |
| dholbach | Dio? | 15:36 |
| jono | Metallica vs. Megadeth ;-) | 15:37 |
| dpm | dholbach, don't start them | 15:37 |
| * kim0 jumps 10mins into the future | 15:37 | |
| jono | we can talk about the Jonas Brothers if you guys want | 15:37 |
| jono | kim0, LOL | 15:37 |
| dpm | metal trolling | 15:37 |
| jcastro | BIEBER | 15:37 |
| jono | I have the fever | 15:37 |
| jono | alright, we are done | 15:38 |
| jono | thanks everyone! | 15:38 |
| jono | #endmeeting | 15:38 |
| dholbach | I'll read and try to understand the logs later on. :-P | 15:38 |
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| meetingology | Meeting ended Tue Oct 18 15:38:20 2011 UTC. | 15:38 |
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| dr3mro | gr8ingz from Egypt ubuntu team !!!! | 15:55 |
| zul | yello | 16:00 |
| Ursinha | it's that time of the week | 16:00 |
| SpamapS | Indeed | 16:00 |
| Daviey | Hola! | 16:00 |
| AlanBell | dpm: I am interested in doing an en_GB iso | 16:00 |
| smb | Though probably not more to say than "get that blueprints running"... :) | 16:00 |
| SpamapS | #startmeeting ServerTeam | 16:01 |
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| SpamapS | #TOPIC Review ACTION points from previous meeting | 16:01 |
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| SpamapS | zul: is the action list on the wiki page at all accurate? | 16:02 |
| zul | SpamapS: i think so | 16:02 |
| SpamapS | last edit before mine was 10/04 | 16:02 |
| zul | although s/oneiric/precise/g | 16:02 |
| SpamapS | hggdh and SpamapS to discuss SRU verification work for bug 750371 at next meeting or before (hggdh to test) | 16:03 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 750371 in squid (Ubuntu Maverick) "squid causing /var to stay busy during shutdown" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/750371 | 16:03 |
| SpamapS | we'll talk about that when its his turn :) | 16:03 |
| SpamapS | jamespage to follow up with jhunt on udev/lvm bugs including 801494 | 16:03 |
| SpamapS | guessing that got solved before the release | 16:03 |
| jamespage | SpamapS, I think the worst of it did | 16:03 |
| SpamapS | smoser, utlemming and smb to follow up on Bug 854050 | 16:03 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 854050 in linux (Ubuntu) "BUG at /build/buildd/linux-2.6.38/mm/swapfile.c:255" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/854050 | 16:03 |
| Daviey | ^^ in smb's section. yeah? | 16:04 |
| smoser | i believe that smb has just put some content there. | 16:04 |
| SpamapS | indeed | 16:04 |
| smb | SpamapS, Just preparing some patches for sru. Unfortunately kernel.org down thing slows things down a bit | 16:04 |
| smoser | he added an SRU justification | 16:04 |
| hallyn | jhunt, were you going to look into the remainibg lvm+udev issues at all? | 16:04 |
| Daviey | (Shall we let him respond in AOB?) | 16:06 |
| SpamapS | indeed | 16:06 |
| SpamapS | utlemming to figure out qemu image situation (carry-over) | 16:06 |
| SpamapS | utlemming isn't here, will carry that one | 16:06 |
| SpamapS | #action utlemming to figure out qemu image situation (carry-over) | 16:06 |
| meetingology | ACTION: utlemming to figure out qemu image situation (carry-over) | 16:06 |
| SpamapS | Daviey to talk to ttx and keystone honcho for guidance about oneiric package | 16:06 |
| SpamapS | guessing that was handled last meeting? | 16:07 |
| jhunt | hallyn: kinda bogged down trying to get the upstart feature destined for oneiric into perfect atm... Happy to look at it, but might be best for an lvm expert to be involved :) | 16:07 |
| hallyn | kthx | 16:07 |
| Daviey | SpamapS: sort of, it's not great shape - but acceptable, until the bugs roll in ;) | 16:07 |
| smoser | perfect. | 16:07 |
| SpamapS | #topic Precise Development | 16:07 |
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| Daviey | Sync, Sync, Merge, Sync! | 16:07 |
| Daviey | Start thinking about blueprints you want to achieve. (A formal request will be sent soonly!) | 16:07 |
| SpamapS | Huzzah! a new release is upon us | 16:07 |
| Daviey | Look over bugs and features that were not resolved last cycle, and help consider if they need driving for this cycle. | 16:08 |
| smoser | s/perfect/precise/ i think jhunt | 16:08 |
| Daviey | This is also a good oppertunity to help drive the bug lists down.. We all need to put more time into this process (not just step 1) | 16:08 |
| Daviey | Sync, Sync, Merge, Sync! - This is the time in the cycle, where the heavy lifting is achieved. Thankfully, we are merging from debian testing (wheezy), meaning that it should be an easier ride. If you have any questions regarding this, please do ask. | 16:08 |
| Daviey | New release tracking issues, http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server/release-bugs.html - if you are working on something that is not on that list, please make it known. | 16:08 |
| Daviey | Thanks! | 16:08 |
| SpamapS | #link http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server/release-bugs.html | 16:08 |
| SpamapS | http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server/release-bugs.html | 16:09 |
| jhunt | smoser: :) Odd as I have no problem remembering the Pangolin element. | 16:09 |
| * SpamapS pokes the bot | 16:09 | |
| SpamapS | Anybody have any perfunctory predelections before I move on? | 16:09 |
| Daviey | Wait. nobody is working on bugs not on that list? | 16:10 |
| SpamapS | One thing .. NICE JOB EVERYONE on 11.10 Server | 16:10 |
| smoser | jhunt, its probably more just your general perfection that makes you want to improve the adjective. | 16:10 |
| zul | SpamapS: yes stop using big words | 16:10 |
| SpamapS | Daviey: have not reviewed the list | 16:10 |
| SpamapS | didn't even know it existed, or what the report means really. | 16:11 |
| Daviey | SpamapS: That is issues that are being worked on to be tracked. | 16:11 |
| SpamapS | #action ALL: review http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server/release-bugs.html and make known any other bugs that need to be added to the list. | 16:12 |
| meetingology | ACTION: ALL: review http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server/release-bugs.html and make known any other bugs that need to be added to the list. | 16:12 |
| SpamapS | #topic Ubuntu Server Team Events | 16:12 |
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| SpamapS | Winter is coming, and so is UDS-P | 16:13 |
| Ursinha | brace yourselves | 16:13 |
| SpamapS | Anybody else attending conferences/meetups/tea parties in the near future? | 16:14 |
| lynxman | SpamapS: LISA'11 in December (that's near enough) | 16:14 |
| SpamapS | lynxman: link? | 16:14 |
| lynxman | SpamapS: http://www.usenix.org/events/lisa11/index.html | 16:14 |
| SpamapS | alright, if thats all then.. | 16:14 |
| SpamapS | #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh) | 16:15 |
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| zul | wohoo...i get to wear shorts in november | 16:15 |
| SpamapS | hggdh: bug 750371 needs a maverick verification.. can you make that happen? | 16:15 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 750371 in squid (Ubuntu Maverick) "squid causing /var to stay busy during shutdown" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/750371 | 16:15 |
| hggdh | SpamapS: yes. I did test it, but I still see fs messages during boot (but no recovery) | 16:16 |
| hggdh | we need to talk about that | 16:16 |
| SpamapS | hggdh: roger that, lets talk after the meeting | 16:16 |
| SpamapS | anything else? | 16:16 |
| hggdh | no, no news from teh QA front, except getting ready for UDS | 16:17 |
| hggdh | .. | 16:17 |
| SpamapS | #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb) | 16:18 |
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| smb | Don't think I got anything exiting right now... Except the get-ready-for-UDS thing... | 16:18 |
| * SpamapS is certain smoser has *something* for smb | 16:18 | |
| Daviey | smb: hola! | 16:18 |
| * smb is sure there is something. There always is. :-P | 16:18 | |
| smoser | i can say i dont have anything. | 16:19 |
| Daviey | bug 790712 :) | 16:19 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 790712 in linux (Ubuntu Precise) "20110531 i386 server ISO: order 5 allocation failure during install" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/790712 | 16:19 |
| Daviey | Did you get the info you needed? | 16:19 |
| * smb cannot remember having seen something... | 16:19 | |
| Daviey | hmm, in that case, hggdh / jamespage - are you able to extract the data from jenkins that smb needs? | 16:20 |
| hggdh | Daviey: I will do it -- need to lower memory allocation, and re-run i386 until we get the failure | 16:21 |
| * jamespage looking at bug | 16:21 | |
| smb | Maybe best thing would be to meet up at UDS and brain storm a bit | 16:21 |
| SpamapS | Shall we move on, and work this one out before next week's meeting? | 16:21 |
| Daviey | SpamapS: can you action? | 16:22 |
| SpamapS | #action smb, jamespage, hggdh to work on triaging bug 790712 | 16:22 |
| meetingology | ACTION: smb, jamespage, hggdh to work on triaging bug 790712 | 16:22 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 790712 in linux (Ubuntu Precise) "20110531 i386 server ISO: order 5 allocation failure during install" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/790712 | 16:22 |
| SpamapS | NCommander: you here? | 16:22 |
| Daviey | smb: A general thanks for giving us a great Oneiric Kernel! :) | 16:22 |
| smb | Daviey, will relay that to the rest of the gang. :) | 16:23 |
| Daviey | groovy! | 16:23 |
| Daviey | I think NCommander is in a call | 16:23 |
| SpamapS | #topic Weekly Updates & Questions from the Ubuntu Community | 16:23 |
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| SpamapS | we'll skip Ncommander for now then, will check back in | 16:23 |
| SpamapS | HELLO community! | 16:23 |
| Daviey | I suspect they are all busy. | 16:24 |
| SpamapS | indeed, some might say our community is the busiest. ;) | 16:24 |
| cprofitt | SpamapS: what do you need? | 16:24 |
| lynxman | it is indeed | 16:24 |
| bkerensa | =o | 16:24 |
| lynxman | bkerensa: oh hey :) | 16:25 |
| bkerensa | lynxman: Hi Marc | 16:25 |
| SpamapS | cprofitt: as always, users, bug reports, and suggestions are what we need. :) | 16:25 |
| SpamapS | #topic Open Discussion | 16:25 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | ServerTeam Meeting | Current topic: Open Discussion | ||
| cprofitt | SpamapS: /whois SpamapS | 16:26 |
| SpamapS | spying on me eh? ;) | 16:26 |
| cprofitt | just curious I am not seen the name before :) | 16:27 |
| Daviey | worst. spy. ever. | 16:27 |
| smoser | freenode-server: SpamapS is a superfly ubuntu super star | 16:27 |
| cprofitt | lol | 16:27 |
| SpamapS | Seriously tho, people, can we all take a bow for 11.10? Good, bad, ugly, whatever you think, its done. | 16:27 |
| smoser | luckily there are things to improve on. ;) | 16:27 |
| zul | and now back at the meat grinder :) | 16:27 |
| smb | does it blend? | 16:28 |
| cprofitt | 11.10 was very good. | 16:28 |
| hallyn | silly q | 16:28 |
| smoser | mom always said, if you dont have anything nice to say, dont say anything at all. but i seem to have failed to take that advice. | 16:28 |
| SpamapS | smb: +1 for an automated testing framework to see if ubuntu server blends | 16:28 |
| zul | numerous times :) | 16:28 |
| Daviey | jamespage is all over that! | 16:29 |
| smb | Just need a blender big enough. :) | 16:29 |
| SpamapS | java blends | 16:29 |
| dr3mro | please make ubuntu 12.04 the best linux ever .. overlay scrollbars integration to all apps .. boot speed .. please we need it to be bugless | 16:29 |
| jamespage | well I will be once i have sorted out component mismatches :-( | 16:29 |
| SpamapS | #topic Announce next meeting date and time | 16:29 |
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| Daviey | unity-acsii is on the roadmap. | 16:29 |
| jamespage | \o/ | 16:29 |
| * smb runs | 16:30 | |
| Ursinha | rofl | 16:30 |
| Daviey | ascii* | 16:30 |
| SpamapS | Tuesday 2011-10-25 16:00 UTC right here in #ubuntu-meeting | 16:30 |
| SpamapS | #endmeeting | 16:30 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | ||
| meetingology | Meeting ended Tue Oct 18 16:30:33 2011 UTC. | 16:30 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-10-18-16.01.moin.txt | 16:30 |
| lynxman | nicely done | 16:30 |
| Daviey | thanks SpamapS | 16:30 |
| Ursinha | thanks SpamapS | 16:31 |
| hggdh | SpamapS: in a call right now, can we talk in -- say -- 30 min? | 16:34 |
| SpamapS | hggdh: ping me when you're ready | 16:34 |
| hggdh | roj | 16:34 |
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| === noy_ is now known as noy | ||
| === beuno-lunch is now known as beuno | ||
| juancarlospaco | test | 18:07 |
| === akgraner` is now known as akgraner | ||
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| _stink_ | yay ubuntu-us-mi! | 19:56 |
| MutantTurkey | ubuntu-us-pa REPRESENT. | 19:57 |
| MutantTurkey | :x | 19:57 |
| * greg-g waves | 19:57 | |
| _stink_ | :D | 19:58 |
| itnet7 | hey there greg-g ! | 19:58 |
| greg-g | yo itnet7 ! long time no see! | 19:58 |
| itnet7 | How're you? | 19:58 |
| greg-g | I'm good. In CA now. Working for CC. | 19:59 |
| greg-g | how's life in itnet7 land? | 19:59 |
| * pleia2 waves | 20:00 | |
| tp0x45 | hello | 20:00 |
| snap-l | Hello from ubuntu-us-mi | 20:00 |
| tp0x45 | ubuntu-me here | 20:01 |
| jono | LoCo Council meeting now? | 20:01 |
| LogicalDream | Hi all | 20:01 |
| MutantTurkey | 4:01, jono. you're late. | 20:01 |
| snap-l | jono: that's what my calendar says. :) | 20:01 |
| MutantTurkey | :P | 20:01 |
| itnet7 | jono: it should be starting shortley | 20:01 |
| jono | MutantTurkey, :-) | 20:01 |
| beuno | marianom, unimix, ^ | 20:01 |
| jono | cool | 20:01 |
| Ursinha | hello from ubuntu-br | 20:01 |
| jono | hey itnet7! | 20:01 |
| jono | :-) | 20:01 |
| Ursinha | :) | 20:01 |
| jono | ubuntu-us-ca here :-) | 20:01 |
| Ubuntuser | Hi Ursinha ..:P | 20:01 |
| snap-l | jono: No fair. ;) | 20:02 |
| snap-l | We just say we're rockstars, but jono has to go and be a rockstar | 20:02 |
| snap-l | sheesh | 20:02 |
| AlanBell | o/ | 20:03 |
| * snap-l packs up his bags and moves to Toronto | 20:03 | |
| jono | snap-l, haha | 20:03 |
| jono | btw, you know how much I love Ubuntu? | 20:03 |
| jjesse | enough to get a tatoo? | 20:03 |
| pleia2 | hah | 20:03 |
| mhall119 | echo to listen to Yanni | 20:03 |
| jono | we are giving up a Judas Priest support slot so I can be at UDS | 20:03 |
| mhall119 | enough | 20:03 |
| Ursinha | jono, omg | 20:03 |
| leogg | hello | 20:03 |
| snap-l | jono: Ugh, that's awful | 20:03 |
| greg-g | quit | 20:03 |
| jono | Judas Priest, Thin Lizzy, and Black Label Society | 20:04 |
| snap-l | Rob Halford gives you a disapproving glance. | 20:04 |
| snap-l | Well, I can understand not hanging with BLS. ;) | 20:04 |
| popey | Hey | 20:04 |
| popey | czajkowski is unavailable | 20:04 |
| itnet7 | Hey there popey | 20:04 |
| popey | paultag is afk until 10 past | 20:04 |
| popey | and people just turned up and my house! | 20:04 |
| popey | I shall school them about Ubuntu meetings! | 20:05 |
| itnet7 | :-) | 20:05 |
| pleia2 | hehe | 20:05 |
| greg-g | "now see, this is IRC..." | 20:05 |
| huats | popey, you might want to call the police the :) | 20:05 |
| popey | who else is here? huats itnet7 ... | 20:05 |
| * snap-l notes this for next time "Instead of showing up in IRC, show up at popey's house" | 20:05 | |
| huats | popey, I am here | 20:05 |
| jedijf | lol | 20:05 |
| popey | heh | 20:05 |
| jjesse | snap-l you buying us tickets if we have to support the loco again? | 20:05 |
| * popey locks the door | 20:05 | |
| itnet7 | met too, and leogg | 20:05 |
| * popey hides behind the sofa | 20:06 | |
| leogg | I'm here as well | 20:06 |
| popey | yay! | 20:06 |
| popey | could someone else please chair? | 20:06 |
| * popey runs to shove people back outside | 20:06 | |
| itnet7 | I have a vendor here, I can't really chair | 20:06 |
| itnet7 | leogg huats ? | 20:06 |
| huats | if nobody steps up I can, but honnextly if leogg it would be better because I might have a connexio break | 20:07 |
| leogg | do we have quorum? | 20:07 |
| itnet7 | we have 4 here | 20:07 |
| huats | we have we are 4 | 20:07 |
| huats | leogg, can you chair the meeting ? | 20:07 |
| itnet7 | and paultag should be along soon | 20:07 |
| leogg | #startmeeting | 20:08 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Tue Oct 18 20:08:25 2011 UTC. The chair is leogg. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. | 20:08 |
| meetingology | Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired | 20:08 |
| leogg | hi all! | 20:08 |
| * greg-g waves | 20:08 | |
| leogg | welcome to the loco council meeting | 20:08 |
| tp0x45 | hi again from ubuntu-me | 20:08 |
| leogg | the agenda is over here ---> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncilAgenda | 20:08 |
| * unimix waves | 20:09 | |
| leogg | #topic Ubuntu China reapproval | 20:09 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu China reapproval | ||
| leogg | #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChinaTeam/ApprovalApplication | 20:10 |
| leogg | so, who's here from ubuntu-cn? | 20:10 |
| MobileTurkey | next... | 20:11 |
| snap-l | It has to be around midnight in China | 20:11 |
| snap-l | if not later | 20:11 |
| leogg | ok, let's move on | 20:11 |
| leogg | #topic Ubuntu Argentina reapproval | 20:12 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Argentina reapproval | ||
| leogg | #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArgentinaTeam/ApprovalApplication | 20:12 |
| leogg | anybody from ubuntu-ar around? | 20:12 |
| unimix | leogg: marianom, juancarlospaco and me | 20:13 |
| unimix | at least | 20:13 |
| leogg | oh, hai there unimix ! :) | 20:13 |
| itnet7 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArgentinaTeam/ReApprovalApplication | 20:14 |
| unimix | leogg, o/ | 20:14 |
| leogg | unimix, care to tell us about your team? | 20:14 |
| juancarlospaco | test | 20:15 |
| unimix | ok, As you can read, we have an intense activity from the last 3 years to now | 20:15 |
| beuno | o/ | 20:15 |
| juancarlospaco | hello friends... | 20:16 |
| leogg | juancarlospaco, hola! | 20:16 |
| flomincucci | hey juancarlospaco, logg :) | 20:16 |
| flomincucci | *leogg | 20:17 |
| unimix | the most important events were Ubucon 2010 and the two edition of CISL with gov support | 20:17 |
| juancarlospaco | hello flomin | 20:17 |
| leogg | flomincucci, o/ | 20:17 |
| unimix | among others | 20:17 |
| leogg | unimix, nice | 20:17 |
| leogg | unimix, I didn't see any team reports on the app? | 20:18 |
| huats | how do you coordinate your team since argentina is large country ? | 20:18 |
| huats | please answer leogg first | 20:18 |
| leogg | :) | 20:19 |
| huats | any answer ? | 20:19 |
| unimix | ok, I have done team reports in irregular basis, but the last months are uo to date | 20:19 |
| unimix | s/uo/up | 20:20 |
| huats | ok | 20:21 |
| huats | unimix, what about my question on the coordination in your team? | 20:21 |
| unimix | we have main activities in Buenos Aires and use the mailing list to coordinate and encourage the other to make events in the rest of the country | 20:21 |
| huats | ok | 20:22 |
| leogg | unimix, I can only fin https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARGENTINA/TeamReports | 20:22 |
| leogg | s/fin/find | 20:22 |
| huats | leogg, I have found the august/september/october on too | 20:23 |
| paultag | sorry I'm late | 20:23 |
| unimix | leogg, there are thre months of team reports at least i have done by myself | 20:23 |
| unimix | thats right leogg | 20:24 |
| unimix | there are some othe reports for 2010, for sure | 20:25 |
| leogg | unimix, you should spend some time on reporting, otherwise it's difficult to see what you guys been doing | 20:25 |
| leogg | unimix, for example, there's a lot of events in 2009 and 2010, but I don't see much activity in 2011 | 20:26 |
| _stink_ | i have to jet, but i want to make sure i say that i'm a member of ubuntu-us-mi (which is up next) and i am overflowing with wub for ubuntu-us-mi. please excuse my out of turn wub. | 20:26 |
| unimix | ok, leogg, that's my fault cause i'm in charge of that task. | 20:27 |
| paultag | _stink_: noted :) | 20:27 |
| paultag | _stink_: go bucks! | 20:27 |
| leogg | unimix, you should delegate :) | 20:27 |
| paultag | leogg++ | 20:28 |
| _stink_ | paultag: i'll just ask Nebraska about that here... :D | 20:28 |
| leogg | unimix, there are other active members on your loco? | 20:28 |
| unimix | leogg, yeap | 20:28 |
| paultag | _stink_: oh, burn! :) | 20:28 |
| paultag | unimix: are they here? | 20:28 |
| unimix | yes, leogg, five more | 20:28 |
| juancarlospaco | o/ | 20:28 |
| unimix | ubuntu members | 20:28 |
| huats | unimix, I think the question of leogg is that they should step up to show us you are not alone... | 20:29 |
| unimix | huats, i get the point | 20:30 |
| flomincucci | for active members do you mean ubuntu members? | 20:30 |
| marianom | hi there | 20:30 |
| flomincucci | i'm part of the loco, but still not a ubuntu member | 20:30 |
| paultag | all members are encouraged to participate :) | 20:30 |
| juancarlospaco | hello im active member of ubuntu-ar loco | 20:30 |
| huats | flomincucci, active member in the loco are great ! | 20:30 |
| leogg | unimix, I think you're an awesome team, but having no recent activity reports doesn't help | 20:30 |
| huats | terrific ! | 20:31 |
| marianom | hi leogg, hi paultag, hi again unimix (hi flomincucci and juancarlospaco) | 20:31 |
| paultag | unimix: do you have photos or any sort of documentation of recent events in 2011? | 20:31 |
| paultag | marianom: Hiyya! | 20:31 |
| malev | hello! unimix is not alone | 20:31 |
| leogg | marianom, hey! o/ | 20:31 |
| huats | that is what we want to "see" : people supporting there team | 20:31 |
| unimix | leogg, we have the last month done ! | 20:31 |
| unimix | paultag, we have a lot of pics, some of them are in the wiki | 20:32 |
| paultag | unimix: would you mind linking us to a few events from like 2-3 differente events from 2011 and why they are special? | 20:32 |
| marianom | we added a couple of pictures from this year events in the application Iguess | 20:32 |
| marianom | let me check | 20:32 |
| juancarlospaco | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArgentinaTeam/ReApprovalApplication | 20:32 |
| juancarlospaco | i see pics there | 20:32 |
| paultag | ah right right | 20:33 |
| paultag | those look like they're from 2010 from the way it's set up | 20:33 |
| unimix | paultag, do you see it ? | 20:33 |
| huats | (the link on the agenda is wrong) | 20:33 |
| paultag | unimix: I see some photos, but again, nothing from 2011 | 20:33 |
| paultag | I found them, though | 20:34 |
| marianom | unimix, paultag: there are two photos for the nevet36 in august | 20:34 |
| paultag | (both of them) | 20:34 |
| paultag | marianom: yep, got it | 20:34 |
| marianom | the photos for the piratefest were horrible | 20:34 |
| marianom | sorry | 20:34 |
| paultag | It's OK. I'm ready | 20:34 |
| marianom | there is no one you could tell anything | 20:34 |
| marianom | I mean there was no way to tell anything from the photos | 20:35 |
| leogg | ok, we're ready to vote | 20:35 |
| leogg | #voters huats itnet7 paultag popey leogg | 20:35 |
| meetingology | Current voters: huats itnet7 leogg paultag popey | 20:35 |
| leogg | #vote on reapproval Ubuntu Argentina | 20:35 |
| meetingology | Please vote on: on reapproval Ubuntu Argentina | 20:35 |
| meetingology | Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) | 20:35 |
| popey | +1 | 20:35 |
| meetingology | +1 received from popey | 20:35 |
| paultag | +1 | 20:35 |
| meetingology | +1 received from paultag | 20:35 |
| itnet7 | +1 | 20:35 |
| meetingology | +1 received from itnet7 | 20:35 |
| huats | +1 | 20:35 |
| meetingology | +1 received from huats | 20:35 |
| paultag | Well done. I like it | 20:35 |
| popey | \o/ | 20:35 |
| leogg | +1 | 20:35 |
| meetingology | +1 received from leogg | 20:35 |
| jedijf | nice, congrats | 20:36 |
| marianom | great! | 20:36 |
| leogg | #endvote | 20:36 |
| meetingology | Voting ended on: on reapproval Ubuntu Argentina | 20:36 |
| meetingology | Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 | 20:36 |
| meetingology | Motion carried | 20:36 |
| paultag | 'grats guy! :) | 20:36 |
| MobileTurkey | awesome! | 20:36 |
| popey | Congratulations Team AR! | 20:36 |
| flomincucci | YAY! | 20:36 |
| leogg | congrats -ar | 20:36 |
| marianom | thanks guys!!!! | 20:36 |
| paultag | please do do some team reports for 2011, though | 20:36 |
| popey | Keep on rocking! | 20:36 |
| flomincucci | Thanks \o/ | 20:36 |
| malev | wow!!!!! AWESOME!!!!! | 20:36 |
| tp0x45 | congrats -ar | 20:36 |
| unimix | thanks dudes !! | 20:36 |
| paultag | and 2012, it's coming up soon :) | 20:36 |
| juancarlospaco | woot, amazing! :) | 20:36 |
| leogg | unimix, but you should really start to do the reports! | 20:36 |
| huats | I agreewith paultag | 20:36 |
| LogicalDream | +1 | 20:36 |
| itnet7 | I think that all of you have done some really nice work, congrats | 20:36 |
| juancarlospaco | thank you people ! :P | 20:36 |
| popey | and blogging :D | 20:36 |
| paultag | :D | 20:36 |
| Ursinha | o/ | 20:36 |
| marianom | we appreciate your confidence on us | 20:36 |
| marianom | we have been working non stop since day one | 20:36 |
| paultag | OK, who's up next, we have a long agenda leogg :) | 20:37 |
| leogg | #topic Michigan Team reapproval | 20:37 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Michigan Team reapproval | ||
| unimix | paultag, yeah, i get the point about TR :) | 20:37 |
| paultag | nice. | 20:37 |
| paultag | unimix: :) | 20:37 |
| leogg | #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MichiganTeam/ReApprovalApplication2011 | 20:37 |
| Ubuntuser | Congrats Argentina! ;) | 20:37 |
| marianom | we have a great team and we appreciate the support from the community | 20:37 |
| paultag | First, I'd like to say, for the record: | 20:37 |
| paultag | Go bucks. | 20:37 |
| leogg | michigan team? anybody here? | 20:37 |
| brousch | i am here! | 20:37 |
| * greg-g waves laggily | 20:37 | |
| marianom | paultag: +1 | 20:38 |
| snap-l | Hello there | 20:38 |
| leogg | hey guys! welcome! | 20:38 |
| paultag | ah, there's craig | 20:38 |
| leogg | so, who's going to tell us about your team? | 20:38 |
| snap-l | I can speak for our team | 20:39 |
| leogg | snap-l, go ahead! | 20:39 |
| snap-l | We're comprised of the state of Michigan, with two centers of major activity | 20:39 |
| snap-l | Metro Detroit, and West Michigan | 20:39 |
| snap-l | West Michigan is headed by brousch | 20:39 |
| paultag | nice, decentralized. | 20:40 |
| snap-l | We've been active now for a while now | 20:40 |
| leogg | very nice indeed | 20:40 |
| snap-l | Our team regularly meets on IRC every day, and at least once a month to discuss loco business | 20:40 |
| pvl1 | hello | 20:40 |
| greg-g | we were officially founded way back in 2007 | 20:41 |
| snap-l | mostly we socialize on IRC, but have been known to discuss Ubuntu from time to time. ;) | 20:41 |
| paultag | :) | 20:41 |
| leogg | snap-l, what would you say is your teams biggest strenght? | 20:41 |
| snap-l | We originated the Jam concept | 20:41 |
| snap-l | leogg: I'd say our ability to group together and organize | 20:42 |
| snap-l | and also to innovate new ideas | 20:42 |
| greg-g | and cross group work (eg: we work well with many other linux-focused groups in the area) | 20:42 |
| snap-l | greg-g: ++ | 20:42 |
| leogg | nice! | 20:42 |
| leogg | ok, let's vote then! | 20:43 |
| paultag | I think we're all good to vote | 20:43 |
| snap-l | We work very closely with our local LUG | 20:43 |
| leogg | #voters huats itnet7 paultag popey leogg | 20:43 |
| meetingology | Current voters: huats itnet7 leogg paultag popey | 20:43 |
| paultag | +1 | 20:43 |
| popey | +1 | 20:43 |
| paultag | no question at all | 20:43 |
| itnet7 | +1 | 20:43 |
| popey | great work | 20:43 |
| paultag | Oh crap | 20:43 |
| huats | +1 | 20:43 |
| leogg | easy guys!! | 20:43 |
| leogg | hehe | 20:43 |
| paultag | we need leogg to kick it off | 20:43 |
| snap-l | Thank you | 20:43 |
| popey | oops | 20:43 |
| leogg | #vote on Michigan team re-approval | 20:43 |
| meetingology | Please vote on: on Michigan team re-approval | 20:43 |
| meetingology | Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) | 20:43 |
| popey | :D | 20:43 |
| popey | =1 | 20:43 |
| huats | +1 | 20:43 |
| meetingology | +1 received from huats | 20:43 |
| paultag | +1 | 20:43 |
| meetingology | +1 received from paultag | 20:43 |
| popey | bah! | 20:43 |
| paultag | well done, keep it up guys :) | 20:43 |
| leogg | +1 | 20:43 |
| meetingology | +1 received from leogg | 20:43 |
| popey | +1 | 20:43 |
| meetingology | +1 received from popey | 20:43 |
| itnet7 | +1 | 20:44 |
| meetingology | +1 received from itnet7 | 20:44 |
| popey | sorry, got excited :D | 20:44 |
| leogg | #endvote | 20:44 |
| meetingology | Voting ended on: on Michigan team re-approval | 20:44 |
| meetingology | Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 | 20:44 |
| meetingology | Motion carried | 20:44 |
| itnet7 | me too!! | 20:44 |
| paultag | well done -mi! | 20:44 |
| popey | \o/ | 20:44 |
| itnet7 | Great Job!! | 20:44 |
| tp0x45 | congrats Michigan! | 20:44 |
| jedijf | conrgrats | 20:44 |
| leogg | congrats guys! really amazing work! | 20:44 |
| Ubuntuser | +1 | 20:44 |
| brousch | yeah us! | 20:44 |
| greg-g | thanks all | 20:44 |
| jono | congrats snap-l | 20:44 |
| leogg | #topic Pennsylvania Team reapproval | 20:44 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Pennsylvania Team reapproval | ||
| paultag | Alright, who's here from -penn? | 20:45 |
| * jedijf pulls over | 20:45 | |
| MobileTurkey | I am from PA | 20:45 |
| jedijf | i am here | 20:45 |
| anduril | Im here | 20:45 |
| leogg | #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PennsylvaniaTeam/ReapprovalApplication | 20:45 |
| MobileTurkey | pvl1 is also here | 20:45 |
| MobileTurkey | and pleia2 | 20:45 |
| leogg | welcome guys! | 20:45 |
| pvl1 | +1 | 20:46 |
| MobileTurkey | thanks :) | 20:46 |
| leogg | please talk a bit about your team | 20:46 |
| jedijf | Ubuntu PA is great! Philly area is active. | 20:46 |
| jedijf | irc is active. Forums and mailing list have slowed. | 20:46 |
| jedijf | This is probably more to the success of Ubuntu in general; | 20:46 |
| jedijf | less issues/problems and questions. | 20:46 |
| MobileTurkey | we do a fair bit of troubleshooting on the IRC | 20:46 |
| pvl1 | yeah the irc is definetly more active than the forum | 20:46 |
| jedijf | Getting the other areas of PA involved in meatspace stuff | 20:46 |
| jedijf | is an ongoing goal. | 20:46 |
| MobileTurkey | just general pointers and tips | 20:46 |
| pvl1 | we talk a lot about technologies as well. lots of interesting stuff | 20:47 |
| jedijf | I *love* the unity debate, even if solely for the passion that | 20:47 |
| jedijf | it has brought back. There is no bad press. | 20:47 |
| popey | http://ubuntupennsylvania.org/ <- should that work? | 20:47 |
| MobileTurkey | many seasoned vets as well as some new comers | 20:47 |
| MobileTurkey | yes | 20:47 |
| MobileTurkey | that is our website! :D | 20:47 |
| popey | doesnt work here | 20:47 |
| anduril | loads here | 20:47 |
| MobileTurkey | loads here as well | 20:47 |
| itnet7 | Loads for me popey | 20:47 |
| pvl1 | i see it | 20:47 |
| popey | bah | 20:48 |
| popey | my stupid isp | 20:48 |
| popey | nvm | 20:48 |
| jedijf | popey just imagine greatness | 20:48 |
| * popey imagines ponies | 20:48 | |
| itnet7 | :-) | 20:48 |
| leogg | jedijf, I have to say that your app is extremely difficult to read, sorry... | 20:48 |
| MobileTurkey | popey: here is google cache http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:UIWEWyreZPQJ:ubuntupennsylvania.org/+ubuntu+pa&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us | 20:48 |
| popey | leogg: agreed | 20:48 |
| paultag | leogg: yeah, totally | 20:48 |
| itnet7 | ponies on trampolines | 20:48 |
| paultag | jedijf: if I might ask, how many people worked on the app? | 20:48 |
| jedijf | leogg: i was trying to make it easy to reference the events | 20:48 |
| paultag | just as a sidenode | 20:48 |
| jedijf | just me | 20:48 |
| paultag | OK | 20:49 |
| jedijf | rather than have vague references and then go to a timeline | 20:49 |
| MobileTurkey | jedijf is our fearless leader... | 20:49 |
| paultag | :) | 20:49 |
| MobileTurkey | :P | 20:49 |
| jedijf | so each reference would show corresponding data | 20:49 |
| paultag | popey: itnet7: huats: anything else? | 20:50 |
| jedijf | and.... | 20:50 |
| itnet7 | No, I'm ready | 20:50 |
| paultag | we have a few more minutes | 20:50 |
| paultag | and 3 more teams, I think I have an idea | 20:50 |
| jedijf | In the past we were spoiled by having pleia2 do the blogging, photographing, | 20:50 |
| jedijf | and wiki administriva. That is an area that I would like to delegate. | 20:50 |
| paultag | jedijf: I tink looking into that would be wise | 20:50 |
| paultag | popey: huats: ? | 20:50 |
| pleia2 | we've been working over the past few months to get all the administrative keys moved over to active, local members (since a bunch of us moved away) | 20:51 |
| leogg | paultag, +1 | 20:51 |
| huats | nothing more | 20:51 |
| paultag | leogg: let's hit this. We're good | 20:51 |
| leogg | #voters huats itnet7 paultag popey leogg | 20:51 |
| meetingology | Current voters: huats itnet7 leogg paultag popey | 20:51 |
| paultag | we can't keep waiting if we have a queue | 20:51 |
| leogg | #vote on ubuntu-penn reapproval | 20:51 |
| meetingology | Please vote on: on ubuntu-penn reapproval | 20:51 |
| meetingology | Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) | 20:51 |
| paultag | +1 | 20:52 |
| meetingology | +1 received from paultag | 20:52 |
| itnet7 | +1 | 20:52 |
| meetingology | +1 received from itnet7 | 20:52 |
| popey | +1 | 20:52 |
| meetingology | +1 received from popey | 20:52 |
| leogg | +0 | 20:52 |
| meetingology | +0 received from leogg | 20:52 |
| paultag | *BUT* I'd like to qualify that - please do revamp some of the administrative things jedijf | 20:52 |
| paultag | jedijf: your app is a bit of a mess, but I can see the team it's self is stable | 20:52 |
| pvl1 | + | 20:52 |
| leogg | huats, ? | 20:52 |
| paultag | jedijf: I think your goal on the next cycle might be getting some people to support you, because you're really working hard | 20:52 |
| huats | +1 | 20:52 |
| jedijf | paultag: ok | 20:52 |
| meetingology | +1 received from huats | 20:52 |
| leogg | #endvote | 20:53 |
| meetingology | Voting ended on: on ubuntu-penn reapproval | 20:53 |
| meetingology | Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1 | 20:53 |
| meetingology | Motion carried | 20:53 |
| pleia2 | congrats pennsylvania :) | 20:53 |
| MobileTurkey | dance party... | 20:53 |
| tp0x45 | congrats - pennsylvania | 20:53 |
| paultag | :D | 20:53 |
| pangolin | YAY PA! | 20:53 |
| paultag | 'grats PA :) | 20:53 |
| leogg | #topic Montenegro team approval application | 20:53 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Montenegro team approval application | ||
| itnet7 | good work!! | 20:53 |
| itnet7 | Congrats! | 20:53 |
| leogg | #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MontenegroTeam/ApprovalApplication | 20:54 |
| paultag | We're going to run over, who's got the meeting room after this, and can we get a few more minutes? | 20:54 |
| tp0x45 | we hope so :) | 20:54 |
| MobileTurkey | does it look bad if the whole ubuntu pa team leaves the meeting? | 20:54 |
| leogg | anyone from Montenegro? | 20:54 |
| Ursinha | please please please | 20:54 |
| paultag | MobileTurkey: nah :) | 20:54 |
| magio081 | here | 20:54 |
| popey | I can't stick around long | 20:54 |
| LogicalDream | Im form ubuntu-me | 20:54 |
| MobileTurkey | paultag: well then, thank you and keep up the good work | 20:54 |
| paultag | popey: me neither | 20:54 |
| jedijf | thanks | 20:54 |
| paultag | MobileTurkey: back atcha | 20:54 |
| tp0x45 | I am from ubuntu-me team | 20:54 |
| leogg | hey magio081 LogicalDream ! | 20:54 |
| leogg | tp0x45, o/ | 20:55 |
| tp0x45 | hi all | 20:55 |
| LogicalDream | Hi all | 20:55 |
| paultag | ok, ubuntu-me - who's the contact? | 20:55 |
| leogg | so, care to tell us about your team? | 20:55 |
| tp0x45 | I can be a contact for today: Tomo POpovic | 20:55 |
| tp0x45 | we are a team coming from a small but proud nation of 600,000 | 20:55 |
| tp0x45 | we unofficially exist since 2007 with on and off activities with collaboration with other teams in the region | 20:56 |
| tp0x45 | since 2009 we formed a Facebook (I know) group that has been fairly active | 20:56 |
| tp0x45 | It has over 100 members now | 20:56 |
| paultag | Cool. How would you use the new-found approved status (if granted it) to help the end-goal of promoting Ubuntu? | 20:57 |
| gib | MIchigan team +1 | 20:57 |
| tp0x45 | we see it as a big motivational boost, as we just recently started the website, forum, planet, etc | 20:57 |
| paultag | gib: jcastro: a bit late, they already got the +1 :) | 20:57 |
| tp0x45 | we are hoping to organize more events such as our recent release party the other day | 20:57 |
| tp0x45 | we established a good relationship with university of Montenegro | 20:58 |
| tp0x45 | and it just so happened that one of the major local newspaper reported on the event and team activity today | 20:58 |
| tp0x45 | http://www.vijesti.me/vijesti/u-podgorici-prezentovana-nova-verzija-ubuntu-os-clanak-42896 | 20:58 |
| gib | Had to run an errand for the wife. | 20:58 |
| paultag | gib: np :) | 20:58 |
| paultag | tp0x45: that's really cool! | 20:58 |
| leogg | tp0x45, very nice! | 20:59 |
| tp0x45 | we have lots of very young mombers and I think would be very cool to have them get more involved and see that our efforts are being recognized | 20:59 |
| tp0x45 | we are also trying to educate facebook users to use our forum, site, IRC, etc... | 21:00 |
| paultag | tp0x45: this sounds really cool :) | 21:01 |
| tp0x45 | the activities in last 3-4 months were really result of a team work ... and I hope with the approval of the team we will get even more people that were active in past to reactivate again :) | 21:01 |
| LogicalDream | from 2006 when Montenegro got back Independent status , This is the first time that we are officaly applaing for approval | 21:01 |
| leogg | tp0x45, you've done a great job so far, but I think you need a little more experience | 21:01 |
| paultag | +1 | 21:01 |
| paultag | I think the work so far is absolutely monumental | 21:02 |
| tp0x45 | thanks paultag :) | 21:02 |
| LogicalDream | Tnx | 21:02 |
| paultag | OK. I'm ready to vote | 21:02 |
| huats | The thing is that even with a terrific work like your we like to have an activity on a wide period of time | 21:03 |
| huats | ready to vote too | 21:03 |
| popey | ya | 21:03 |
| leogg | #voters huats itnet7 paultag popey leogg | 21:03 |
| meetingology | Current voters: huats itnet7 leogg paultag popey | 21:03 |
| tp0x45 | well the activity spread back to 2007, we hope to get more people involved | 21:03 |
| leogg | #vote on Montenegro LoCo approval | 21:03 |
| meetingology | Please vote on: on Montenegro LoCo approval | 21:03 |
| meetingology | Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) | 21:03 |
| leogg | +0 | 21:04 |
| meetingology | +0 received from leogg | 21:04 |
| paultag | +0 | 21:04 |
| meetingology | +0 received from paultag | 21:04 |
| popey | +0 | 21:04 |
| meetingology | +0 received from popey | 21:04 |
| itnet7 | +0 | 21:04 |
| meetingology | +0 received from itnet7 | 21:04 |
| * paultag pokes huats | 21:04 | |
| popey | I agree with paultag, I'd like to see a few more months of building the team, and writing up events first | 21:04 |
| popey | perhaps come back at the start of the new year? | 21:04 |
| LogicalDream | We will defenetly :) | 21:04 |
| huats | +0 | 21:04 |
| meetingology | +0 received from huats | 21:04 |
| tp0x45 | OK, thanks :) | 21:04 |
| LogicalDream | but Thanks for support anyway | 21:05 |
| leogg | #endvote | 21:05 |
| meetingology | Voting ended on: on Montenegro LoCo approval | 21:05 |
| meetingology | Votes for:0 Votes against:0 Abstentions:5 | 21:05 |
| meetingology | Deadlock, casting vote may be used | 21:05 |
| paultag | don't take this the wrong way | 21:05 |
| paultag | because your work is huge | 21:05 |
| paultag | and to get in a newspaper is massive | 21:05 |
| paultag | so keep it up | 21:05 |
| paultag | but I'd personally like to see a bit more activity over a few more months | 21:05 |
| popey | completely agree | 21:05 |
| leogg | tp0x45, LogicalDream, great job! and we really hope to see you guys in a couple of months | 21:05 |
| itnet7 | tp0x45: you all have done great work so far looking forward to the next time you apply | 21:05 |
| paultag | (this was *not* a -1) | 21:05 |
| LogicalDream | Thank You all ! | 21:05 |
| leogg | #topic Ubuntu Brasil reapproval | 21:06 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Brasil reapproval | ||
| tp0x45 | thanks! | 21:06 |
| paultag | Ursinha: you're on! | 21:06 |
| * Ursinha takes the stage along with Andre_Gondim and Ubuntuser | 21:06 | |
| Ursinha | hello #ubuntu-meeting | 21:06 |
| leogg | #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BrazilianTeam/ReApprovalApplication2011 | 21:06 |
| paultag | howdy! | 21:06 |
| Ursinha | :) | 21:06 |
| paultag | thanks again, tp0x45! | 21:06 |
| Andre_Gondim | hi | 21:06 |
| leogg | LogicalDream, tp0x45, thank you! | 21:06 |
| Ubuntuser | Hi! | 21:06 |
| leogg | hi guys! | 21:06 |
| tp0x45 | thank you for good feedback! | 21:06 |
| paultag | let's do this - we're 6 minutes over :) | 21:07 |
| leogg | ubuntu-br, the stage is yours! | 21:07 |
| Ursinha | all right | 21:07 |
| leogg | tp0x45, no problem... just ping us if you need anything | 21:07 |
| Ursinha | Brazil is a *HUGE* country, with 26 states plus the capital (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/States_of_Brazil :)) | 21:07 |
| Ursinha | we are an active Ubuntu community since 2005, and we've been working really hard since last approval to find a way to coordinate and organize all of these people | 21:07 |
| paultag | On the Ubuntu Brazilian Users team on Launchpad we have more than 1431 members, which all of those have signed the Ubuntu Code of Conduct. | 21:08 |
| paultag | Wow, how do you enforce that? | 21:08 |
| popey | wow | 21:08 |
| popey | just. wow. | 21:08 |
| paultag | did you guys translate it? That's really impressive | 21:08 |
| Ursinha | paultag, by having a process that asks users to do that | 21:08 |
| Ursinha | we check pending requests and email them | 21:08 |
| Ursinha | asking them to do so | 21:08 |
| paultag | wow | 21:08 |
| Ursinha | let me find you the link | 21:08 |
| paultag | Ursinha: Do you help them set up a GPG key if they don't know how to use it? | 21:08 |
| Ursinha | paultag, yes | 21:09 |
| Andre_Gondim | paultag, yeah, we have a default mail to learn it | 21:09 |
| Ursinha | there's a canned email to send them | 21:09 |
| Ubuntuser | and wiki too | 21:09 |
| Ursinha | and eventually we have some requests | 21:09 |
| leogg | yep, really impressive | 21:09 |
| Ursinha | paultag, http://wiki.ubuntu-br.org/ComoParticipar/MembrosPendentes | 21:09 |
| paultag | gotcha | 21:09 |
| Ursinha | this is the page | 21:09 |
| paultag | thanks Ursinha :) | 21:09 |
| Ursinha | :) | 21:09 |
| leogg | Ursinha, I don't see any team reports? | 21:09 |
| Ursinha | leogg, no, because we haven't got there yet | 21:10 |
| Ursinha | leogg, it's a LOT of people and teams, we're studying how to make all of them talk in a more effective manner | 21:10 |
| Ursinha | without a lot of noise | 21:10 |
| Ursinha | there are 26 groups | 21:10 |
| Ursinha | we consider splitting them per brazilian regions, so we'd have like five teams, that coordinate each one its region | 21:11 |
| paultag | humm | 21:11 |
| leogg | right | 21:11 |
| Ursinha | this is a *HUGE* problem and it's basically the main topic discussed for improvements | 21:11 |
| popey | yeah, can't be easy with such a giant country | 21:11 |
| Ursinha | we have the local teams mailing lists and the national support one | 21:11 |
| Ursinha | we announce things in the national one, things that we carry from the regional lists | 21:12 |
| Ubuntuser | Facebook and Twitter too.. ;) | 21:12 |
| Ursinha | also, Andre_Gondim does an awesome job blogging about the events | 21:12 |
| paultag | and translations (from what I read) - which is mighty awesome work | 21:12 |
| Andre_Gondim | :D | 21:12 |
| leogg | really nice work! | 21:12 |
| Ursinha | paultag, yeah, he's awesome like that :) | 21:12 |
| paultag | :) | 21:12 |
| Ursinha | last years we worked on reviving the existing working groups, and creating new ones, such as the ubuntu-br-artwork and ubuntu-br-dev teams. Still not much activity on them, but we're working on it | 21:13 |
| Ursinha | we wrote "first steps" for people that want to participate with translations or docs or any other teams | 21:13 |
| Ursinha | so it's easier to coordinate across the country | 21:13 |
| huats | Ursinha, coordination on such a big country is clearly a key I think | 21:14 |
| Ursinha | yeah, I was interested in the answer when you asked argentina :) | 21:14 |
| Ursinha | because it's tricky | 21:14 |
| Ursinha | but we're working on it | 21:14 |
| Ursinha | baby steps, but we're WAY better than a few years ago, that's for sure | 21:14 |
| leogg | ok, let's vote then! | 21:15 |
| leogg | #voters huats itnet7 paultag popey leogg | 21:15 |
| meetingology | Current voters: huats itnet7 leogg paultag popey | 21:15 |
| leogg | #vote on Ubuntu Brasil reapproval | 21:15 |
| meetingology | Please vote on: on Ubuntu Brasil reapproval | 21:15 |
| meetingology | Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) | 21:15 |
| popey | +1 | 21:15 |
| meetingology | +1 received from popey | 21:15 |
| paultag | +1 | 21:15 |
| huats | :)1 | 21:15 |
| meetingology | +1 received from paultag | 21:15 |
| leogg | +1 | 21:15 |
| meetingology | +1 received from leogg | 21:15 |
| itnet7 | +1 | 21:15 |
| meetingology | +1 received from itnet7 | 21:15 |
| paultag | crazy easy for me | 21:15 |
| popey | awesome work in difficult circumstances | 21:15 |
| huats | +1 | 21:15 |
| meetingology | +1 received from huats | 21:15 |
| Ursinha | thanks popey | 21:15 |
| leogg | #endvote | 21:15 |
| meetingology | Voting ended on: on Ubuntu Brasil reapproval | 21:15 |
| meetingology | Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 | 21:15 |
| meetingology | Motion carried | 21:15 |
| Andre_Gondim | é nóis que voa | 21:15 |
| paultag | keep up the work - and do try to work out the issues with team reports | 21:15 |
| Ubuntuser | Thanks guys | 21:15 |
| popey | congratulations | 21:15 |
| paultag | I know it's not easy | 21:15 |
| itnet7 | Great work!! | 21:15 |
| Ursinha | Andre_Gondim, o/ | 21:15 |
| leogg | congrats guys! this was really easy! | 21:15 |
| Andre_Gondim | Ursinha, \o | 21:15 |
| Ursinha | thanks all | 21:15 |
| Ursinha | :) | 21:15 |
| Andre_Gondim | thank you all | 21:15 |
| Ubuntuser | Ursinha, Andre_Gondim \o/ | 21:15 |
| leogg | thank you everybody for coming! | 21:16 |
| leogg | #endmeeting | 21:16 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | ||
| meetingology | Meeting ended Tue Oct 18 21:16:07 2011 UTC. | 21:16 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-10-18-20.08.moin.txt | 21:16 |
| Ursinha | thanks all for staying late for us! | 21:16 |
| popey | thanks for chairing leogg | 21:16 |
| leogg | popey, np :) | 21:16 |
| itnet7 | Thanks leogg !! | 21:16 |
| paultag | thanks leogg :) | 21:16 |
| paultag | all of you rock | 21:16 |
| paultag | so much | 21:16 |
| paultag | I love you all dearly | 21:16 |
| paultag | thanks for coming out! | 21:16 |
| leogg | itnet7, paultag :) | 21:16 |
| jedijf | thank you all for being in service | 21:16 |
| jedijf | thank you all for being in service | 21:16 |
| snap-l | Thank you, everyone! | 21:17 |
| jedijf | twice! | 21:17 |
| itnet7 | ;-) | 21:17 |
| jedijf | potholes.... | 21:17 |
| snap-l | You're IRCing while dricing? | 21:17 |
| snap-l | driving? | 21:17 |
| jedijf | always | 21:18 |
| * paultag facepalms | 21:18 | |
| snap-l | And I thought texting while driving was bad enough | 21:18 |
| jedijf | now *that's* dangerous | 21:18 |
| snap-l | trying to set IRC modes on an iPhone keyboard while driving would put me in a ditch | 21:18 |
| LogicalDream | Good Night to all , Greetings from Montenegro | 21:23 |
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