| andrew | Yikes: http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/lfsbh/unitys_lens_just_got_a_whole_new_meaning_for_me/ | 04:59 |
|---|---|---|
| beta0x64 | holy cow | 05:26 |
| andrew | Even after trying Unity for a few months when 11.04 came out, I can't any advantages to using it on a desktop over standard gnome (or perhaps xfce, which I need to visit) | 05:28 |
| beta0x64 | because mark shuttleworth blessed it from space | 05:43 |
| beta0x64 | duh | 05:43 |
| InHisName | is there an equiv to Windows "task mgr" in ubuntu ? I need to see what's running and ps -ef shows too much and can't tell what's messing with BaseroDiskBurner for it to not start at all. | 05:53 |
| beta0x64 | I believe System Monitor | 05:54 |
| InHisName | perfect. yep it was running. I killed it from there. | 06:18 |
| InHisName | Used to be along the bottom was all the running apps. I could click on those to bring them to show on desktop. Then I could gracefully close app or whatever. | 06:19 |
| InHisName | Some running apps show in unity bar, but obviously not all of them. | 06:20 |
| InHisName | My trashed up backup machine is now being 'updated' by alternate CD 11.10. It wants to re-partition the drive. How to use the same parts as before: /boot / and /home lastly the swap NOT to reformat but just to rewrite so I get full set of 11.10 and not 3/4 of it and 1/4 of old 11.04 which does not boot. | 06:37 |
| beta0x64 | dude | 06:43 |
| beta0x64 | I would just copy everything of value and rewrite | 06:44 |
| beta0x64 | :[ | 06:44 |
| rmg51 | Morning | 09:53 |
| JonathanD | Morning. | 09:55 |
| rmg51 | 0/ | 10:15 |
| JonathanD | hey rmg51 | 10:15 |
| JonathanD | going to come zooing with us? | 10:15 |
| rmg51 | depends on the day | 10:15 |
| JonathanD | Dec 3rd. | 10:15 |
| jackson | morning | 10:16 |
| rmg51 | I have vocal cord surgery on Dec. 1st | 10:16 |
| JonathanD | Does this mean you'll come, but be very quiet? :) | 10:16 |
| rmg51 | I won't be talking for at least a week | 10:16 |
| rmg51 | I don't really like the idea of going to a social event and not being able to talk | 10:18 |
| rmg51 | 0/ | 10:18 |
| rmg51 | \0 | 10:18 |
| rmg51 | ^ the total of my conversations | 10:18 |
| rmg51 | and I still need a ride to and from the hospital | 10:21 |
| JonathanD | You could bring flash cards! | 10:21 |
| JonathanD | I | 10:22 |
| JonathanD | like | 10:22 |
| JonathanD | the | 10:22 |
| JonathanD | monkeys. | 10:22 |
| JonathanD | rmg51: I'm sure someone here can be arranged to take you there. | 10:22 |
| JonathanD | to the hosp, I mean | 10:22 |
| rmg51 | I still have to call a friend of my mom's who can usually take me | 10:23 |
| rmg51 | others live to far away | 10:24 |
| JonathanD | http://geeknic.org/?p=159 | 10:24 |
| rmg51 | I may have to be there as early as 6 am | 10:24 |
| JonathanD | Fun :) | 10:24 |
| rmg51 | I won't sign up, but I may be a drop in | 10:25 |
| JonathanD | sign up is mostly so I can email people plan changes. | 10:27 |
| JonathanD | and potentially for the group rate thing. | 10:27 |
| JonathanD | updated with zoo links | 10:30 |
| rmg51 | if this was just a "tour" of the zoo I would have no problem with it | 10:32 |
| JonathanD | We can do a tour for $5 extra | 10:32 |
| JonathanD | per person | 10:32 |
| rmg51 | if we get together for a social time that leaves me out | 10:32 |
| JonathanD | yeah :/ | 10:33 |
| JonathanD | rmg51: next time? :) | 10:33 |
| JonathanD | We'll probably do one in spring. | 10:33 |
| rmg51 | do it a week later and i will be trying to talk :P | 10:33 |
| JonathanD | I don't wanna go much further into dec. Too cold | 10:34 |
| JonathanD | 3rd is too cold as it is. | 10:34 |
| JonathanD | we'll do it in mid feb. Bring your snow shoes. | 10:34 |
| rmg51 | I guess I'll just sleep in that day | 10:34 |
| JonathanD | Sorry :) | 10:34 |
| JonathanD | Would you like me to get you a stick alligator triggery thing? | 10:35 |
| rmg51 | I still have to wait till after the surgery to know my restrictions | 10:35 |
| rmg51 | Teddy can talk more then I could | 10:36 |
| rmg51 | ok, breakfast time | 10:36 |
| JonathanD | have fun. | 10:36 |
| JonathanD | I am hungry :/ | 10:47 |
| teddy-dbear | morning | 12:08 |
| InHisName | I have /boot , / , /home, and swap directories. ubuntu is 0.7*11.10 and 0.3*11.04 and wont boot, says / is not good. I now have CD burned with i386.iso for 11.10. How to KEEP /home ok and not reformat any of the partitions ? I'm at point where it seems to demand partitioning. Not sure of next few steps. | 13:48 |
| InHisName | Oh, yes, good morning to you all | 13:49 |
| jthan | Morning | 13:54 |
| jthan | InHisName: it should allow you to keep your old /home | 13:54 |
| jthan | you may lose the rest, not sure. I haven't used the installer in a long time. | 13:55 |
| jthan | what do you mean by .7*11.10 and .3*11.04? | 13:55 |
| InHisName | That is what I thought too. It seems to be demanding new partitions. 70% one 30% other | 13:55 |
| InHisName | boogered up upgrade | 13:56 |
| anduril | Couldnt you just do a manual install with no /home (instead it'll put /home in /) and then when you get setup and logged in you move your home from the internal home to the seperate partition? | 13:57 |
| InHisName | Its not my primary compter, just one to fall back to when main is on fritz. | 13:57 |
| InHisName | Good thought, anduril | 13:57 |
| jthan | anduril: That's actually a good idea, and it didn't cross my mind. | 13:57 |
| anduril | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Partitioning/Home/Moving | 13:58 |
| jthan | But you need to make sure it doesn't reformat your old /home | 13:58 |
| anduril | as long as you uncheck that partition in the installer it shouldnt touch it | 13:58 |
| InHisName | I have the partitions identified as to which is which | 13:58 |
| jthan | Again, the last time I used the Ubuntu installer was probably... 8.x? Maybe 9.x | 13:58 |
| InHisName | Been a while for me too. | 13:58 |
| InHisName | I thought there was some kind of 'upgrade' option with alternate CD. But I have not seen it yet. | 13:59 |
| InHisName | Just install, live CD boot and few variants is all. | 14:00 |
| anduril | honestly last time I did this was on arch on my netbook but once you get past the install the /home migration is pretty much the same across all distros | 14:01 |
| jthan | You still use arch? | 14:02 |
| anduril | no it was too much work lol I have crunchbang on the netbook now | 14:02 |
| jthan | I was a gentoo user on and off | 14:03 |
| anduril | I messed around with gentoo back on my first pc build in like 2001. that was...painful on AMD K6-3 450 | 14:07 |
| jthan | I could see that happening.. | 14:08 |
| jthan | once you get your "initial" compiles done, it isn't too bad | 14:08 |
| anduril | I think it took 3 days to compile either gnome or X11 | 14:08 |
| jthan | I used to just let my updates go every night | 14:08 |
| jthan | Well I've got a 2.5GhZ quad core and it took me a good 10 hours | 14:08 |
| jthan | so don't feel too bda | 14:08 |
| jthan | bad* | 14:08 |
| anduril | I just put the original case I used out on the curb hopefully someone can use it. Inwin Q500 freakin tank of a full tower. Sadly it'd be too much work to make into a useable tower anymore | 14:09 |
| jthan | :-( | 14:10 |
| InHisName | tossing some heavy iron, anduril ? | 14:10 |
| JonathanD | jthan: go to zoo? | 14:11 |
| anduril | yea it was 30+ lbs of pure rolled steel | 14:11 |
| rmg51 | InHisName: the alt upgrade option is only good if you can boot to the desktop | 14:19 |
| InHisName | oh, how disappointing. | 14:19 |
| InHisName | Can't boot to desktop, wont boot. | 14:19 |
| anduril | what error are you getting? or it just hangs? | 14:20 |
| InHisName | Wow, that's some HEAVY case. I lost lotta desire for it now. | 14:20 |
| InHisName | Says / is not good enough to mount. But it does not say OS missing. | 14:21 |
| anduril | can you boot into single user mode and then run a fsck of the file system? | 14:22 |
| InHisName | no it can't mount the / and /boot and /home and whatever. | 14:22 |
| InHisName | If I say 'manual' mount, I think I get linux running but unsure if any HD spindles are used. Might all be ram disk. | 14:23 |
| InHisName | I tried reading results of $mount but nothing familiar. NO /sda'n'/ something | 14:24 |
| InHisName | /dev/sda'n'/ | 14:25 |
| anduril | are all your partitions on the same hd? | 14:25 |
| InHisName | yes | 14:26 |
| InHisName | swap too | 14:26 |
| anduril | run any tests of the HD to see if its having problems? | 14:26 |
| InHisName | reboot live CD to run tests ? | 14:26 |
| anduril | I think the live cd really only has a memory tester. you'd want to use your hard drive manufactorers test tool | 14:27 |
| anduril | fairly sure ubuntu only reads the smart data and smart...really isnt that smart | 14:27 |
| InHisName | Everything was fine until the update mgr got messed up with upgrade. | 14:27 |
| pavel__ | hello | 14:55 |
| InHisName | hello pavel__ | 15:16 |
| pavel__ | whats up | 15:16 |
| MutantTurkey | bajaa freshhh | 15:21 |
| InHisName | Ghaaaahhh, doing manual setup for partitions during install, I could not figure out how to set the flags to continue. Finally gave up and went with guided partitioning. It auto set them the way I needed them. Now continuing. | 15:32 |
| InHisName | K for keep, no format( /, /boot, & /home). F for reformat (swap only) | 15:33 |
| InHisName | well, pavel__ what's up with you today. I am on upgrading machine #2 for 2nd time. | 15:34 |
| pavel__ | well i foiund a 3d library for android that i havent looked at yet | 15:35 |
| pavel__ | which reminds me, i was so pissed. i have a headless ubuntu box as my home router/gateway, vpn, ftp etc | 15:35 |
| pavel__ | and its fan broke, so the cpu overheated, and it wouldnt restart. in trying to replace the computer, i brokje a pentium celeron | 15:36 |
| pavel__ | but ended up using its fan | 15:36 |
| pavel__ | so its all kosher now | 15:36 |
| pavel__ | this all happend right after an upgrade | 15:36 |
| InHisName | Swell time huh? | 15:41 |
| InHisName | I had fan go in my router/firewall/voipphone too. | 15:41 |
| InHisName | I overheated and stopped. | 15:41 |
| InHisName | *It | 15:41 |
| pavel__ | yeah, what was convenient tho | 15:42 |
| pavel__ | is that after i let it kool | 15:42 |
| pavel__ | it works fine | 15:42 |
| InHisName | I changed the fan opps the whole power supply and gave it a try, WOW it booted and has been working since. | 15:42 |
| pavel__ | i was really worreid bc i dont think i have another p4 lying around, and my main other option was to downgrade to a p3 | 15:43 |
| InHisName | s/opps/oops/ | 15:43 |
| pavel__ | the fan opps? | 15:43 |
| InHisName | The supply was toasted. | 15:44 |
| pavel__ | ooh | 15:44 |
| pavel__ | i thought there was a simple way to mess with the fans settings | 15:45 |
| pavel__ | wishful thinking | 15:45 |
| InHisName | On newer boxes, you can mess with fan settings. Change speed to less than max if desired. Quieter and a tad warmer though. | 15:46 |
| pavel__ | g2g, bll | 15:54 |
| pavel__ | bbl | 15:54 |
| MutantTurkey | pavel__: I have a p4 if you want it | 15:55 |
| MutantTurkey | also have a pentium D @ 3.20 Ghz and a ATI card I have no use for. | 15:55 |
| pavel__ | hmmmmm, is it a dell? PM me MutantTurkey, i need to go on a run | 15:57 |
| pavel__ | btw baja fresh is the shit | 15:57 |
| pavel__ | best soft drink on the market | 15:57 |
| InHisName | just what is this 'baja fresh' ? | 15:57 |
| InHisName | Oh junk food ? | 15:58 |
| InHisName | not sofware app? | 15:58 |
| InHisName | System install had issues with one section. Finished tried rebooting, hung. Tried recovery mode. Now booted into prompt. | 15:59 |
| MutantTurkey | the mexican place.... | 15:59 |
| MutantTurkey | thats baja blast | 15:59 |
| MutantTurkey | also the shit | 15:59 |
| InHisName | Must be gui issue with booting. | 15:59 |
| MutantTurkey | pavel__: yeah it will actually be thursday before I get this pentium D. | 16:00 |
| MutantTurkey | friend has it for the time being | 16:00 |
| InHisName | If I boot recovery and get terminal prompt, is there way to start gui process to see what might be failing ? Would it be 'startx' or more or something different ? | 16:03 |
| InHisName | more parameters | 16:03 |
| MutantTurkey | startx | 16:05 |
| MutantTurkey | should work by istelf | 16:05 |
| MutantTurkey | xinit also works | 16:05 |
| MutantTurkey | no params | 16:05 |
| InHisName | 'k | 16:06 |
| InHisName | Hmmm, maybe worse than I thought. | 16:07 |
| InHisName | bash: startx: command not found also xinit not found | 16:08 |
| InHisName | maybe should try for install #3 | 16:09 |
| MutantTurkey | wow | 16:09 |
| MutantTurkey | do you even have xorg installed? | 16:10 |
| MutantTurkey | also, in recovery mode are you actually mounting the root fs? | 16:10 |
| InHisName | not sure what I got, I'll check and see | 16:10 |
| MutantTurkey | because you might just be on the initramfs (i thin) | 16:10 |
| InHisName | I thought I was mounting it. | 16:10 |
| MutantTurkey | not soure | 16:11 |
| MutantTurkey | sure | 16:11 |
| MutantTurkey | how did the upgrade break? | 16:11 |
| InHisName | One of the steps had issues. Said I could continue or re-work that step. Did one re-work still got errors. So went on and tried that. NOPE | 16:14 |
| InHisName | five dirs have xorg in their paths. one man page, 3 X11 s, and one /usr/lib | 16:16 |
| InHisName | I'll just go ahead and do #3 | 16:17 |
| GeekyAdam | so, mysql just stopped working for me. when i "sudo service mysql start" it says "job failed to start". ugh. | 16:35 |
| anduril | anyone tried a bulldozer system under linux yet? | 16:49 |
| InHisName | GeekyAdam: did you check to see if part of it was still running and getting in way of starting ? | 17:20 |
| GeekyAdam | InHisName: ps aux |grep sql showed nothing...anything else i should try? | 17:21 |
| InHisName | I usually try ps -ef| etc. may not be any better than aux | 17:22 |
| GeekyAdam | same results :( | 17:23 |
| InHisName | sorry | 17:26 |
| InHisName | power down, & reboot and try to start it yet ? | 17:27 |
| InHisName | Seems to failing to install software correctly. The Select & install step fails. I retry but same fail. So, continue and boot into recovery. All parts are mounted. df -h / gives 39G size, 36G free so disk is not filling up. Used is only 990M, may be missing to write a bunch of stuff. | 17:30 |
| InHisName | On my main computer I have 48G size for / and 27G used with 19G free. I think .9G is way too little for / . | 17:52 |
| GeekyAdam | looks like the problem lies with my drive being full somehow... 36G in /var/lib/ureadahead/debugfs/, except debugfs is an empty directory...wtf? | 17:53 |
| pavel__ | hello | 18:04 |
| GeekyAdam | hi pavel__ | 18:07 |
| pavel__ | anyone know of a wayt to recycle old computer parts | 18:35 |
| anduril_ | yup take em to a local staples if you're in the US | 18:36 |
| MutantTurkey | doesn't jedijf have some hookup to recycle old stuf | 18:42 |
| MutantTurkey | ? | 18:42 |
| MutantTurkey | jedijf: ^ | 18:42 |
| JonathanD | I eat old computer prats. | 18:42 |
| JonathanD | they are good on tacos. | 18:42 |
| anduril_ | comcast why you mess up my cablez?!? | 18:43 |
| MutantTurkey | AOL, why you still exist? | 18:44 |
| InHisName | JonathanD: do computer prats really taste good ? | 18:48 |
| JonathanD | yes. | 18:48 |
| InHisName | You should try cablez 'n' pratz, cablez 'n' pratz, cablez 'n' pratz, oooohhh kinda reminds me of an old dog food commercial. | 18:51 |
| pavel__ | no like really old | 19:00 |
| pavel__ | like 20gb hard drives | 19:00 |
| MutantTurkey | really old? | 19:00 |
| MutantTurkey | like 1000mb hard drives | 19:00 |
| jedijf | pavel__: ntr always accepts donations http://ntrweb.org/ | 19:01 |
| jedijf | MutantTurkey: you makin' fun of my supply? :P | 19:01 |
| * jedijf actually has a box of 4 giggers | 19:02 | |
| jedijf | that i *purchased* | 19:02 |
| MutantTurkey | ntr thats that | 19:03 |
| jedijf | reminder, this team, Ubuntu-US-PA Local Community Team is going for re-approval in #ubuntu-meeting at 4, support of what goes on in here, on the mailing list, in the forums, and elsewhere would be greatly appreciated | 19:03 |
| MutantTurkey | for the record, baja fresh was delicious | 19:04 |
| MutantTurkey | jedijf: you have to get re approved? | 19:04 |
| jedijf | but, I am sure that everyone here has read the email and the forum post about re-approval | 19:04 |
| MutantTurkey | ... | 19:04 |
| jedijf | MutantTurkey: yes | 19:04 |
| MutantTurkey | do you need a show of force or something? | 19:04 |
| pavel__ | im drinking baja fresh atm | 19:04 |
| jedijf | and is a member of the team on launchpad and has, or really wants to sign the CoC | 19:05 |
| jedijf | http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3077663&postcount=1 | 19:06 |
| MutantTurkey | pavel__: no no no. it's baja blast... | 19:06 |
| jedijf | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-us-pa/2011-October/001184.html | 19:07 |
| jedijf | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/TeamApprovalGuidelines | 19:07 |
| jedijf | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/LoCoTeamReApproval | 19:08 |
| MutantTurkey | gotcha | 19:08 |
| jedijf | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PennsylvaniaTeam/ReapprovalApplication | 19:08 |
| MutantTurkey | so all you gotta do is show up | 19:08 |
| jedijf | and wait to be grilled | 19:08 |
| jedijf | thankfully there should be other teams first, even though i think we should be ok | 19:09 |
| MutantTurkey | aren't we a relatively large team for a state? | 19:09 |
| jedijf | probably average...200 soemthing doesn't seem that large | 19:11 |
| jedijf | we should be at 1k in my opinion | 19:12 |
| pavel__ | aye it is | 19:12 |
| pavel__ | idk y but i keep messing that up MutantTurkey | 19:12 |
| anduril__ | would it help if I show up and say Im installing ubuntu right at that moment? ;) | 19:13 |
| MutantTurkey | anduril__: no no no | 19:14 |
| MutantTurkey | gotta take the blues brothers approach | 19:14 |
| anduril__ | drive there?!? | 19:14 |
| MutantTurkey | "are you the police?" "No Ma'am we're members of PA LoCo" | 19:14 |
| MutantTurkey | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkaNisbzsLY | 19:15 |
| MutantTurkey | relevant | 19:15 |
| jedijf | anduril__: what part of the state? | 19:16 |
| pavel__ | well thats great, my new monitor doesnt work anymore | 19:16 |
| anduril__ | Harrisburg area. So actually...the "105 miles to chicago" line works since its about 105 miles to philly heh | 19:16 |
| jedijf | anduril__: any cplug activity by you? | 19:17 |
| jedijf | anduril__: throw a realease party | 19:17 |
| MutantTurkey | a tank full of glass, half pace of ciggs, sunglasses on blah blah blah | 19:17 |
| jedijf | cplug is re-organizing they'd probably be up for it | 19:18 |
| MutantTurkey | 2 weeks till trinity 3.5.13 and I am going crazy trying to fix bugs | 19:18 |
| anduril__ | jedijf no idea havent gone to any of their activities. And honestly not a huge ubuntu user 0_o it never seems to like my desktop | 19:19 |
| jedijf | anduril__: that's ok, it's more about community anyway; fake it | 19:20 |
| anduril__ | lol | 19:21 |
| anduril__ | Hey I was the one that went to the millersville thing with a friend :-p | 19:21 |
| jedijf | anduril__: awesome, then you are referenced in application! ty | 19:22 |
| MutantTurkey | jedijf: should do a linux event at montco | 19:23 |
| jedijf | MutantTurkey: set it up! | 19:24 |
| jedijf | I'll announce when the cds arrive | 19:24 |
| MutantTurkey | who should I talk to about it? | 19:24 |
| jedijf | that building on the left, with the library, or a cool teacher in the new building | 19:25 |
| jedijf | across from the library | 19:25 |
| MutantTurkey | haha so vague | 19:26 |
| MutantTurkey | the new building across from the library, the ATC | 19:26 |
| MutantTurkey | jedijf: I get the feeling from talking to people who are taking comp sci classes that they are a bunch of Java/ Visual basic heads. | 19:28 |
| jedijf | ask | 19:30 |
| jedijf | your feelings may be wrong | 19:30 |
| MutantTurkey | also not a comp sci student... I will ask | 19:30 |
| jedijf | you'll be surprised | 19:30 |
| jedijf | just let them know that we exist | 19:30 |
| jedijf | http://ubuntupennsylvania.org/ | 19:30 |
| waltman | MutantTurkey: It depends a lot on the individual program | 19:33 |
| jedijf | and the individual, i would imagine | 19:34 |
| MutantTurkey | yeah | 19:34 |
| waltman | I'd advise you to take some algorithms/theory courses if you're interested | 19:34 |
| MutantTurkey | I am a history major :P | 19:35 |
| waltman | Do you know how to program? | 19:35 |
| jedijf | what happened to music production? | 19:35 |
| MutantTurkey | waltman: yes quite well | 19:35 |
| MutantTurkey | jedijf: starting a home studio as a side project | 19:35 |
| pavel__ | id like to b a sound tech | 19:35 |
| waltman | MutantTurkey: in java and/or vb? :) | 19:35 |
| MutantTurkey | waltman: C, C++, dabbled in python but it is terrible. | 19:36 |
| * waltman recommends perl :) | 19:36 | |
| MutantTurkey | java is not a programming langauge i would like to learn | 19:36 |
| MutantTurkey | perl is not a programming language either | 19:36 |
| waltman | or possibly ruby, which is a really lovely language | 19:36 |
| jedijf | MutantTurkey: wasn't vb only for your *drexel* internship? | 19:36 |
| MutantTurkey | all scripting languages | 19:36 |
| waltman | MutantTurkey: You're at Drexel? | 19:37 |
| MutantTurkey | jedijf: I worked in the Mac lab | 19:37 |
| MutantTurkey | jedijf: working on a math related website | 19:37 |
| jedijf | i am just trying to stir stuff up | 19:37 |
| MutantTurkey | waltman: did an internship | 19:37 |
| jedijf | your perl statement started it | 19:37 |
| MutantTurkey | !xkcd real programmers | 19:37 |
| waltman | You did an internship *at* Drexel? Most students go the other way :) | 19:37 |
| MutantTurkey | yes | 19:37 |
| MutantTurkey | http://xkcd.com/378/ | 19:37 |
| MutantTurkey | waltman: i know a professor there. He had a student drop out and so he asked me | 19:38 |
| jedijf | waltman: MutantTurkey is still technically in high school, i believe | 19:38 |
| MutantTurkey | jedijf: but i'll graduate in december:D | 19:38 |
| jedijf | well, based on orange soda, i mean | 19:38 |
| MutantTurkey | pending this chemistry class. | 19:38 |
| waltman | jedijf: ah :) | 19:38 |
| MutantTurkey | probably going to temple though, waltman | 19:39 |
| waltman | MutantTurkey: have you decided yet where you're going to college? Ah. | 19:39 |
| MutantTurkey | not really decided | 19:39 |
| MutantTurkey | I've been at montco for over a year now. so i'll have my assocaites in the spring | 19:39 |
| waltman | Well, I still stand by my recommendation of theory and algorithm courses | 19:39 |
| MutantTurkey | montco forces you to take many prerequists before learning how to do actual programming | 19:40 |
| MutantTurkey | so i am kind of shot on that. | 19:40 |
| waltman | (and not just because I'm a PhD student in Drexel's CS program doing algorithms stuff :) ) | 19:40 |
| waltman | what sort of prerequisites? | 19:41 |
| MutantTurkey | waltman: the few intro to programming classes and such | 19:41 |
| MutantTurkey | hello world is probably the first six weeks... | 19:41 |
| waltman | "intro to programming" doesn't teach you programming? | 19:41 |
| anduril__ | ah intro to programming or...html for dummies aka art major class | 19:41 |
| MutantTurkey | waltman: I am not sure entirely | 19:41 |
| MutantTurkey | but the word i have heard is that its pretty much a waste of time | 19:42 |
| MutantTurkey | especially since i won't learning anything... | 19:42 |
| waltman | No, by "algorithms" I mean learning how to think about the runtimes of sorting methods, np completeness, etc. | 19:42 |
| MutantTurkey | right | 19:43 |
| waltman | temple surely must have reasonable intro courses | 19:43 |
| waltman | The only thing I know they're doing research-wise at Temple is with geographic and mapping software. Some folks have talked about it at PLUG. It sounds like a cool project. | 19:45 |
| pleia2 | jedijf: loco council meeting soon? | 19:48 |
| pvl1 | i dont like sorting algorithms | 19:48 |
| waltman | sorting algorithms are awesome | 19:48 |
| waltman | but they're really just the tip of the iceberg, algorithms-wise | 19:48 |
| MutantTurkey | geographic mapping software sounds really dull to be honest :P | 19:49 |
| MutantTurkey | leave that for tomtom | 19:50 |
| waltman | so what's exciting? | 19:50 |
| waltman | robots? | 19:50 |
| MutantTurkey | servers | 19:50 |
| anduril__ | mmm servers | 19:50 |
| * pleia2 attempts to grab sandwich before meeting | 19:50 | |
| MutantTurkey | minimalism -> effeciency | 19:50 |
| * jedijf too | 19:50 | |
| MutantTurkey | whens this meeting? | 19:51 |
| anduril__ | 4 | 19:51 |
| MutantTurkey | s/whens/wheres | 19:51 |
| waltman | we had a talk yesterday morning with a Drexel ECE prof who's working on ultra-low power systems. Very interesting stuff. | 19:51 |
| jedijf | #ubuntu-meeting | 19:51 |
| MutantTurkey | waltman: I dunno what else I like. Linux in general | 19:51 |
| MutantTurkey | waltman: like ARM based servers? | 19:51 |
| waltman | More like how the next generation of boards might be designed to cut down on power consumption. | 19:52 |
| waltman | Thing turning bits on and off as they're needed | 19:53 |
| MutantTurkey | waltman: I like programming simple things. I hate web interfaces though so I stay away from the internet design/ scripting | 19:53 |
| MutantTurkey | anything you'd reccomend for me then? | 19:53 |
| MutantTurkey | think of it like this: you are the match.com and mutant turkey is trying to find a partner, except the partner is an area to study. | 19:53 |
| waltman | Well, "simple things" have a tendency to get complex :) | 19:54 |
| MutantTurkey | only if you design it poorly | 19:54 |
| MutantTurkey | do one thing and do it well is what I see | 19:55 |
| waltman | I've taken a bunch of graphics courses here and enjoyed them a bit. There's a lot of math, often a minimal ui, interesting algorithms to speed things up, and you end up with pretty pictures when you're done. | 19:55 |
| waltman | computer vision's related to that. Drexel offers a course on computational photography that a lot of students like. | 19:56 |
| MutantTurkey | yeah I worked in a lab with alot of people doing that | 19:56 |
| MutantTurkey | waltman: not to interested in new fangled stuff | 19:58 |
| MutantTurkey | so I don't think I would be much good for getting a degree in it. | 19:58 |
| MutantTurkey | much rather be a history professor and brainwash kids with libertarian values :x | 19:59 |
| waltman | Well, Temple will also have operating systems and networking courses. Maybe you'd enjoy them better. | 19:59 |
| MutantTurkey | maybe so | 20:00 |
| MutantTurkey | I think I would | 20:00 |
| jedijf | help appreciated i am driving too | 20:00 |
| pleia2 | sandwich \o/ | 20:00 |
| MutantTurkey | jedijf: ok | 20:00 |
| MutantTurkey | waltman: I am interested in deploying networking solutions for businesses | 20:01 |
| MutantTurkey | jedijf: we should have some sort of chant. I SAY US you say PA | 20:02 |
| anduril | we should get jackets like a motorcycle gang. fly the colors hehe | 20:02 |
| anduril | you werent kidding about a bunch being before pa | 20:13 |
| MobileTurkey | argentina? | 20:14 |
| MobileTurkey | this argentina guy is pissing me off. | 20:21 |
| MobileTurkey | he waits 5 minutes, types 1 sentance. | 20:21 |
| MobileTurkey | I don't always type slowly, but when I do, it's in a world wide ubuntu meeting with 200+ people | 20:21 |
| jedijf | lag | 20:22 |
| jedijf | dialup | 20:22 |
| jedijf | crankup | 20:22 |
| jedijf | worldwide issues | 20:22 |
| MobileTurkey | lewis dots structures :| | 20:22 |
| anduril | carrier pidgin connection? | 20:22 |
| pvl1 | we should start an isp | 20:22 |
| MobileTurkey | pvl1: okay, thanks for donating the hundreds of thousands for the startup | 20:23 |
| pvl1 | i have 4 dollars in my savings :) | 20:24 |
| MobileTurkey | I have 5 cents. literally | 20:25 |
| MobileTurkey | no job either :[ | 20:25 |
| MobileTurkey | anyone hiring a strapping young lad to do tedious labor here? | 20:25 |
| anduril | you could probably mow my parents yard | 20:26 |
| MobileTurkey | sounds really promising in october... | 20:27 |
| pvl1 | well i have 12 cents in my account | 20:27 |
| JonathanD | everyone come to the zoooooooo | 20:27 |
| pvl1 | i was doing yard work over the summer | 20:27 |
| pvl1 | and i was getting good under the table jobs | 20:27 |
| MobileTurkey | jedijf: do we have team reports? | 20:27 |
| jedijf | a couple, but i am covering that with my canned responses, that i am typing on the fly | 20:28 |
| MobileTurkey | nice | 20:28 |
| MobileTurkey | jedijf: pull over. | 20:28 |
| jedijf | i will, eventually | 20:30 |
| jedijf | want to at least get into pa! | 20:31 |
| anduril | ah huh thats why Win7 wouldnt let me shrink the partition. 10 updates waiting to install | 20:31 |
| MobileTurkey | when are we up to do it? | 20:36 |
| jedijf | next, after michigan | 20:37 |
| MobileTurkey | ok | 20:38 |
| MobileTurkey | EVERYONE GO INTO #ubuntu-meeting !!! GO GO GO | 20:39 |
| pvl1 | i did, y | 20:39 |
| MobileTurkey | pvl1: shhhh | 20:40 |
| JonathanD | /698 | 20:49 |
| pangolin | for a minute there I thought the team wasn't going to get approved. | 20:54 |
| pangolin | Congrats! | 20:54 |
| pvl1 | are there any programming competitions amongst the loco teams? | 20:55 |
| MobileTurkey | wooho | 20:55 |
| jedijf | i should have left roadmap as solo bullet points | 20:56 |
| jedijf | i tried to reference the future with our past events | 20:56 |
| jedijf | so the page jumped | 20:56 |
| jedijf | we have so much to reference | 20:57 |
| jedijf | if i were them, I would have asked why is most philly, and no other regions...but i'll take it | 20:57 |
| MobileTurkey | they are clearly concerned with irrelevant things | 20:59 |
| MobileTurkey | 0% of people actally care about how the roadmap looks on the team | 20:59 |
| MobileTurkey | but the committee wants to see the roadmap, so we have a roadmap | 20:59 |
| MobileTurkey | either way the team is going strong | 20:59 |
| * jedijf looking up this leogg charachter | 21:00 | |
| MobileTurkey | who is he? | 21:00 |
| MobileTurkey | i though i recognized the paul guy | 21:00 |
| pleia2 | sometimes I eat giant ubuntu cookies with paultag :d | 21:02 |
| MobileTurkey | where are these cookies. | 21:03 |
| MobileTurkey | I need some to keep me going while studying for my chem exam | 21:09 |
| jedijf | all this team report interest. i was just gonna use loco. for that | 21:12 |
| MobileTurkey | that sentance doesn't make sense | 21:13 |
| jedijf | so, i guess, kill 'events', use loco dot, and link team report to loco dot | 21:13 |
| jedijf | MobileTurkey: loco.ubuntu.com/teams/pennsylvania | 21:14 |
| MobileTurkey | ah | 21:16 |
| InHisName | During "select and install software" I see --> retrieving n of 1056 files, it counts up to 1055 then spits out error. ---> An installation step failed, try again or skip this step. | 21:51 |
| anduril | congrats jedijf for getting us reaccpted btw :) had to run to the grocery store so didnt get to say that earlier | 21:59 |
| InHisName | "re" accepted ? | 22:00 |
| jedijf | i changed page too | 22:19 |
| jedijf | anduril: thank you | 22:19 |
| anduril | and sleep works on my laptop w/ 11.10 sweeeeeeeeet | 22:25 |
| anduril | hmm brightness does not tho. oh well | 22:50 |
| MobileTurkey | does 11.10 use the 3.0 kernel series? | 23:03 |
| MobileTurkey | its bugging me that i am on 2.6.38 | 23:03 |
| anduril | yes | 23:04 |
| anduril | Im showing 3.0.0-12 | 23:04 |
| anduril | though i dont think much changed from the last 2.6.xx to 3.0 | 23:04 |
| MobileTurkey | much changed. | 23:07 |
| MobileTurkey | lots and lots of driver updates and such | 23:07 |
| anduril | so why does unity show some icons highlighted when an app is running but others are not? | 23:10 |
| jedijf | MobileTurkey: heard of pacman? [jimf@arch_desktop ~]$ uname -a | 23:12 |
| jedijf | Linux arch_desktop 3.0-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Tue Aug 30 08:53:25 CEST 2011 x86_64 Intel(R) Pentium(R) CPU E5700 @ 3.00GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux | 23:12 |
| MobileTurkey | have I heard of pacman? :D | 23:14 |
| MobileTurkey | jedijf: I am running freaking ubuntu | 23:14 |
| jedijf | lol | 23:14 |
| jedijf | oops | 23:14 |
| MobileTurkey | its so terrible | 23:15 |
| MobileTurkey | I am goin back as soon as I can | 23:15 |
| MobileTurkey | I just need to wait for this release first | 23:15 |
| jedijf | i am running both | 23:15 |
| MobileTurkey | me as well | 23:15 |
| jedijf | k | 23:15 |
| MobileTurkey | but I haven't setup arch yet | 23:15 |
| MobileTurkey | well its setup, just not yet perfect | 23:15 |
| jedijf | MobileTurkey: send back the laptop | 23:15 |
| jedijf | you're gonna wait and blow it | 23:16 |
| MobileTurkey | 2 years? | 23:16 |
| jedijf | ok, is this channel still logged | 23:16 |
| MobileTurkey | and? | 23:16 |
| MobileTurkey | I have to wait until this _release_ | 23:16 |
| jedijf | the longer it goes, the less likely it goes back | 23:16 |
| jedijf | but, then again, duct tape is leet | 23:17 |
| MobileTurkey | Nov 1st the day i send it back | 23:17 |
| jedijf | power corrupts | 23:18 |
| jedijf | cpu power corrupts completely | 23:18 |
| jedijf | MobileTurkey: btw, other than the bezel, how is it? | 23:19 |
| anduril | whats the laptop? | 23:19 |
| jedijf | tricked out lenovo | 23:19 |
| anduril | mmm thinkpad | 23:20 |
| JonathanD | mmm lenovo /73 | 23:20 |
| MobileTurkey | its amazing | 23:20 |
| MobileTurkey | its really totally absolutely 100% awesome | 23:20 |
| MobileTurkey | basically. | 23:20 |
| anduril | so why are you sending it back? | 23:21 |
| MobileTurkey | anduril: factory defect | 23:21 |
| InHisName | Sortof a cracked lid isn't it, MobileTurkey ? | 23:21 |
| MobileTurkey | yep | 23:22 |
| MobileTurkey | forums.lenovo.com/t5/X-Series-ThinkPad-Laptops/X220-Lid-breaking/td-p/559871 | 23:22 |
| MobileTurkey | not so good advice i got | 23:22 |
| MobileTurkey | anduril: http://imgur.com/nRWa5,Ycm8G#1 | 23:22 |
| MobileTurkey | studying chemisty :[ | 23:23 |
| anduril | damn... | 23:23 |
| anduril | apparently you study chemistry hard | 23:26 |
| jedijf | lol | 23:33 |
| jedijf | like an animal | 23:33 |
| anduril | I mean seriously where you tempting to determine the break point of thermite or something? | 23:34 |
| jedijf | his nick is /mutant/ turkey | 23:34 |
| MobileTurkey | magnesium lid i think | 23:34 |
| anduril | ...so you had relations with your lid? | 23:35 |
| MobileTurkey | I refuse to read between the lines | 23:35 |
| anduril | well ya might have to if the lid keeps breakin like that cause you'll only be seein every other line ;) | 23:36 |
| MobileTurkey | actually the screen is functioning perfectly | 23:44 |
| MobileTurkey | I am not sure what you are getting at. | 23:44 |
| anduril | normally a break like that in my experience is caused by drop-page or the like and the screen stops working at some point. thats all I ment | 23:49 |
| anduril | not saying ya caused it tho :) | 23:54 |
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