[04:59] Yikes: http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/lfsbh/unitys_lens_just_got_a_whole_new_meaning_for_me/ [05:26] holy cow [05:28] Even after trying Unity for a few months when 11.04 came out, I can't any advantages to using it on a desktop over standard gnome (or perhaps xfce, which I need to visit) [05:43] because mark shuttleworth blessed it from space [05:43] duh [05:53] is there an equiv to Windows "task mgr" in ubuntu ? I need to see what's running and ps -ef shows too much and can't tell what's messing with BaseroDiskBurner for it to not start at all. [05:54] I believe System Monitor [06:18] perfect. yep it was running. I killed it from there. [06:19] Used to be along the bottom was all the running apps. I could click on those to bring them to show on desktop. Then I could gracefully close app or whatever. [06:20] Some running apps show in unity bar, but obviously not all of them. [06:37] My trashed up backup machine is now being 'updated' by alternate CD 11.10. It wants to re-partition the drive. How to use the same parts as before: /boot / and /home lastly the swap NOT to reformat but just to rewrite so I get full set of 11.10 and not 3/4 of it and 1/4 of old 11.04 which does not boot. [06:43] dude [06:44] I would just copy everything of value and rewrite [06:44] :[ [09:53] Morning [09:55] Morning. [10:15] 0/ [10:15] hey rmg51 [10:15] going to come zooing with us? [10:15] depends on the day [10:15] Dec 3rd. [10:16] morning [10:16] I have vocal cord surgery on Dec. 1st [10:16] Does this mean you'll come, but be very quiet? :) [10:16] I won't be talking for at least a week [10:18] I don't really like the idea of going to a social event and not being able to talk [10:18] 0/ [10:18] \0 [10:18] ^ the total of my conversations [10:21] and I still need a ride to and from the hospital [10:21] You could bring flash cards! [10:22] I [10:22] like [10:22] the [10:22] monkeys. [10:22] rmg51: I'm sure someone here can be arranged to take you there. [10:22] to the hosp, I mean [10:23] I still have to call a friend of my mom's who can usually take me [10:24] others live to far away [10:24] http://geeknic.org/?p=159 [10:24] I may have to be there as early as 6 am [10:24] Fun :) [10:25] I won't sign up, but I may be a drop in [10:27] sign up is mostly so I can email people plan changes. [10:27] and potentially for the group rate thing. [10:30] updated with zoo links [10:32] if this was just a "tour" of the zoo I would have no problem with it [10:32] We can do a tour for $5 extra [10:32] per person [10:32] if we get together for a social time that leaves me out [10:33] yeah :/ [10:33] rmg51: next time? :) [10:33] We'll probably do one in spring. [10:33] do it a week later and i will be trying to talk :P [10:34] I don't wanna go much further into dec. Too cold [10:34] 3rd is too cold as it is. [10:34] we'll do it in mid feb. Bring your snow shoes. [10:34] I guess I'll just sleep in that day [10:34] Sorry :) [10:35] Would you like me to get you a stick alligator triggery thing? [10:35] I still have to wait till after the surgery to know my restrictions [10:36] Teddy can talk more then I could [10:36] ok, breakfast time [10:36] have fun. [10:47] I am hungry :/ [12:08] morning [13:48] I have /boot , / , /home, and swap directories. ubuntu is 0.7*11.10 and 0.3*11.04 and wont boot, says / is not good. I now have CD burned with i386.iso for 11.10. How to KEEP /home ok and not reformat any of the partitions ? I'm at point where it seems to demand partitioning. Not sure of next few steps. [13:49] Oh, yes, good morning to you all [13:54] Morning [13:54] InHisName: it should allow you to keep your old /home [13:55] you may lose the rest, not sure. I haven't used the installer in a long time. [13:55] what do you mean by .7*11.10 and .3*11.04? [13:55] That is what I thought too. It seems to be demanding new partitions. 70% one 30% other [13:56] boogered up upgrade [13:57] Couldnt you just do a manual install with no /home (instead it'll put /home in /) and then when you get setup and logged in you move your home from the internal home to the seperate partition? [13:57] Its not my primary compter, just one to fall back to when main is on fritz. [13:57] Good thought, anduril [13:57] anduril: That's actually a good idea, and it didn't cross my mind. [13:58] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Partitioning/Home/Moving [13:58] But you need to make sure it doesn't reformat your old /home [13:58] as long as you uncheck that partition in the installer it shouldnt touch it [13:58] I have the partitions identified as to which is which [13:58] Again, the last time I used the Ubuntu installer was probably... 8.x? Maybe 9.x [13:58] Been a while for me too. [13:59] I thought there was some kind of 'upgrade' option with alternate CD. But I have not seen it yet. [14:00] Just install, live CD boot and few variants is all. [14:01] honestly last time I did this was on arch on my netbook but once you get past the install the /home migration is pretty much the same across all distros [14:02] You still use arch? [14:02] no it was too much work lol I have crunchbang on the netbook now [14:03] I was a gentoo user on and off [14:07] I messed around with gentoo back on my first pc build in like 2001. that was...painful on AMD K6-3 450 [14:08] I could see that happening.. [14:08] once you get your "initial" compiles done, it isn't too bad [14:08] I think it took 3 days to compile either gnome or X11 [14:08] I used to just let my updates go every night [14:08] Well I've got a 2.5GhZ quad core and it took me a good 10 hours [14:08] so don't feel too bda [14:08] bad* [14:09] I just put the original case I used out on the curb hopefully someone can use it. Inwin Q500 freakin tank of a full tower. Sadly it'd be too much work to make into a useable tower anymore [14:10] :-( [14:10] tossing some heavy iron, anduril ? [14:11] jthan: go to zoo? [14:11] yea it was 30+ lbs of pure rolled steel [14:19] InHisName: the alt upgrade option is only good if you can boot to the desktop [14:19] oh, how disappointing. [14:19] Can't boot to desktop, wont boot. [14:20] what error are you getting? or it just hangs? [14:20] Wow, that's some HEAVY case. I lost lotta desire for it now. [14:21] Says / is not good enough to mount. But it does not say OS missing. [14:22] can you boot into single user mode and then run a fsck of the file system? [14:22] no it can't mount the / and /boot and /home and whatever. [14:23] If I say 'manual' mount, I think I get linux running but unsure if any HD spindles are used. Might all be ram disk. [14:24] I tried reading results of $mount but nothing familiar. NO /sda'n'/ something [14:25] /dev/sda'n'/ [14:25] are all your partitions on the same hd? [14:26] yes [14:26] swap too [14:26] run any tests of the HD to see if its having problems? [14:26] reboot live CD to run tests ? [14:27] I think the live cd really only has a memory tester. you'd want to use your hard drive manufactorers test tool [14:27] fairly sure ubuntu only reads the smart data and smart...really isnt that smart [14:27] Everything was fine until the update mgr got messed up with upgrade. [14:55] hello [15:16] hello pavel__ [15:16] whats up [15:21] bajaa freshhh [15:32] Ghaaaahhh, doing manual setup for partitions during install, I could not figure out how to set the flags to continue. Finally gave up and went with guided partitioning. It auto set them the way I needed them. Now continuing. [15:33] K for keep, no format( /, /boot, & /home). F for reformat (swap only) [15:34] well, pavel__ what's up with you today. I am on upgrading machine #2 for 2nd time. [15:35] well i foiund a 3d library for android that i havent looked at yet [15:35] which reminds me, i was so pissed. i have a headless ubuntu box as my home router/gateway, vpn, ftp etc [15:36] and its fan broke, so the cpu overheated, and it wouldnt restart. in trying to replace the computer, i brokje a pentium celeron [15:36] but ended up using its fan [15:36] so its all kosher now [15:36] this all happend right after an upgrade [15:41] Swell time huh? [15:41] I had fan go in my router/firewall/voipphone too. [15:41] I overheated and stopped. [15:41] *It [15:42] yeah, what was convenient tho [15:42] is that after i let it kool [15:42] it works fine [15:42] I changed the fan opps the whole power supply and gave it a try, WOW it booted and has been working since. [15:43] i was really worreid bc i dont think i have another p4 lying around, and my main other option was to downgrade to a p3 [15:43] s/opps/oops/ [15:43] the fan opps? [15:44] The supply was toasted. [15:44] ooh [15:45] i thought there was a simple way to mess with the fans settings [15:45] wishful thinking [15:46] On newer boxes, you can mess with fan settings. Change speed to less than max if desired. Quieter and a tad warmer though. [15:54] g2g, bll [15:54] bbl [15:55] pavel__: I have a p4 if you want it [15:55] also have a pentium D @ 3.20 Ghz and a ATI card I have no use for. [15:57] hmmmmm, is it a dell? PM me MutantTurkey, i need to go on a run [15:57] btw baja fresh is the shit [15:57] best soft drink on the market [15:57] just what is this 'baja fresh' ? [15:58] Oh junk food ? [15:58] not sofware app? [15:59] System install had issues with one section. Finished tried rebooting, hung. Tried recovery mode. Now booted into prompt. [15:59] the mexican place.... [15:59] thats baja blast [15:59] also the shit [15:59] Must be gui issue with booting. [16:00] pavel__: yeah it will actually be thursday before I get this pentium D. [16:00] friend has it for the time being [16:03] If I boot recovery and get terminal prompt, is there way to start gui process to see what might be failing ? Would it be 'startx' or more or something different ? [16:03] more parameters [16:05] startx [16:05] should work by istelf [16:05] xinit also works [16:05] no params [16:06] 'k [16:07] Hmmm, maybe worse than I thought. [16:08] bash: startx: command not found also xinit not found [16:09] maybe should try for install #3 [16:09] wow [16:10] do you even have xorg installed? [16:10] also, in recovery mode are you actually mounting the root fs? [16:10] not sure what I got, I'll check and see [16:10] because you might just be on the initramfs (i thin) [16:10] I thought I was mounting it. [16:11] not soure [16:11] sure [16:11] how did the upgrade break? [16:14] One of the steps had issues. Said I could continue or re-work that step. Did one re-work still got errors. So went on and tried that. NOPE [16:16] five dirs have xorg in their paths. one man page, 3 X11 s, and one /usr/lib [16:17] I'll just go ahead and do #3 [16:35] so, mysql just stopped working for me. when i "sudo service mysql start" it says "job failed to start". ugh. [16:49] anyone tried a bulldozer system under linux yet? [17:20] GeekyAdam: did you check to see if part of it was still running and getting in way of starting ? [17:21] InHisName: ps aux |grep sql showed nothing...anything else i should try? [17:22] I usually try ps -ef| etc. may not be any better than aux [17:23] same results :( [17:26] sorry [17:27] power down, & reboot and try to start it yet ? [17:30] Seems to failing to install software correctly. The Select & install step fails. I retry but same fail. So, continue and boot into recovery. All parts are mounted. df -h / gives 39G size, 36G free so disk is not filling up. Used is only 990M, may be missing to write a bunch of stuff. [17:52] On my main computer I have 48G size for / and 27G used with 19G free. I think .9G is way too little for / . [17:53] looks like the problem lies with my drive being full somehow... 36G in /var/lib/ureadahead/debugfs/, except debugfs is an empty directory...wtf? [18:04] hello [18:07] hi pavel__ [18:35] anyone know of a wayt to recycle old computer parts [18:36] yup take em to a local staples if you're in the US [18:42] doesn't jedijf have some hookup to recycle old stuf [18:42] ? [18:42] jedijf: ^ [18:42] I eat old computer prats. [18:42] they are good on tacos. [18:43] comcast why you mess up my cablez?!? [18:44] AOL, why you still exist? [18:48] JonathanD: do computer prats really taste good ? [18:48] yes. [18:51] You should try cablez 'n' pratz, cablez 'n' pratz, cablez 'n' pratz, oooohhh kinda reminds me of an old dog food commercial. [19:00] no like really old [19:00] like 20gb hard drives [19:00] really old? [19:00] like 1000mb hard drives [19:01] pavel__: ntr always accepts donations http://ntrweb.org/ [19:01] MutantTurkey: you makin' fun of my supply? :P [19:02] * jedijf actually has a box of 4 giggers [19:02] that i *purchased* [19:03] ntr thats that [19:03] reminder, this team, Ubuntu-US-PA Local Community Team is going for re-approval in #ubuntu-meeting at 4, support of what goes on in here, on the mailing list, in the forums, and elsewhere would be greatly appreciated [19:04] for the record, baja fresh was delicious [19:04] jedijf: you have to get re approved? [19:04] but, I am sure that everyone here has read the email and the forum post about re-approval [19:04] ... [19:04] MutantTurkey: yes [19:04] do you need a show of force or something? [19:04] im drinking baja fresh atm [19:05] and is a member of the team on launchpad and has, or really wants to sign the CoC [19:06] http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3077663&postcount=1 [19:06] pavel__: no no no. it's baja blast... [19:07] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-us-pa/2011-October/001184.html [19:07] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/TeamApprovalGuidelines [19:08] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/LoCoTeamReApproval [19:08] gotcha [19:08] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PennsylvaniaTeam/ReapprovalApplication [19:08] so all you gotta do is show up [19:08] and wait to be grilled [19:09] thankfully there should be other teams first, even though i think we should be ok [19:09] aren't we a relatively large team for a state? [19:11] probably average...200 soemthing doesn't seem that large [19:12] we should be at 1k in my opinion [19:12] aye it is [19:12] idk y but i keep messing that up MutantTurkey [19:13] would it help if I show up and say Im installing ubuntu right at that moment? ;) [19:14] anduril__: no no no [19:14] gotta take the blues brothers approach [19:14] drive there?!? [19:14] "are you the police?" "No Ma'am we're members of PA LoCo" [19:15] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkaNisbzsLY [19:15] relevant [19:16] anduril__: what part of the state? [19:16] well thats great, my new monitor doesnt work anymore [19:16] Harrisburg area. So actually...the "105 miles to chicago" line works since its about 105 miles to philly heh [19:17] anduril__: any cplug activity by you? [19:17] anduril__: throw a realease party [19:17] a tank full of glass, half pace of ciggs, sunglasses on blah blah blah [19:18] cplug is re-organizing they'd probably be up for it [19:18] 2 weeks till trinity 3.5.13 and I am going crazy trying to fix bugs [19:19] jedijf no idea havent gone to any of their activities. And honestly not a huge ubuntu user 0_o it never seems to like my desktop [19:20] anduril__: that's ok, it's more about community anyway; fake it [19:21] lol [19:21] Hey I was the one that went to the millersville thing with a friend :-p [19:22] anduril__: awesome, then you are referenced in application! ty [19:23] jedijf: should do a linux event at montco [19:24] MutantTurkey: set it up! [19:24] I'll announce when the cds arrive [19:24] who should I talk to about it? [19:25] that building on the left, with the library, or a cool teacher in the new building [19:25] across from the library [19:26] haha so vague [19:26] the new building across from the library, the ATC [19:28] jedijf: I get the feeling from talking to people who are taking comp sci classes that they are a bunch of Java/ Visual basic heads. [19:30] ask [19:30] your feelings may be wrong [19:30] also not a comp sci student... I will ask [19:30] you'll be surprised [19:30] just let them know that we exist [19:30] http://ubuntupennsylvania.org/ [19:33] MutantTurkey: It depends a lot on the individual program [19:34] and the individual, i would imagine [19:34] yeah [19:34] I'd advise you to take some algorithms/theory courses if you're interested [19:35] I am a history major :P [19:35] Do you know how to program? [19:35] what happened to music production? [19:35] waltman: yes quite well [19:35] jedijf: starting a home studio as a side project [19:35] id like to b a sound tech [19:35] MutantTurkey: in java and/or vb? :) [19:36] waltman: C, C++, dabbled in python but it is terrible. [19:36] * waltman recommends perl :) [19:36] java is not a programming langauge i would like to learn [19:36] perl is not a programming language either [19:36] or possibly ruby, which is a really lovely language [19:36] MutantTurkey: wasn't vb only for your *drexel* internship? [19:36] all scripting languages [19:37] MutantTurkey: You're at Drexel? [19:37] jedijf: I worked in the Mac lab [19:37] jedijf: working on a math related website [19:37] i am just trying to stir stuff up [19:37] waltman: did an internship [19:37] your perl statement started it [19:37] !xkcd real programmers [19:37] You did an internship *at* Drexel? Most students go the other way :) [19:37] yes [19:37] http://xkcd.com/378/ [19:38] waltman: i know a professor there. He had a student drop out and so he asked me [19:38] waltman: MutantTurkey is still technically in high school, i believe [19:38] jedijf: but i'll graduate in december:D [19:38] well, based on orange soda, i mean [19:38] pending this chemistry class. [19:38] jedijf: ah :) [19:39] probably going to temple though, waltman [19:39] MutantTurkey: have you decided yet where you're going to college? Ah. [19:39] not really decided [19:39] I've been at montco for over a year now. so i'll have my assocaites in the spring [19:39] Well, I still stand by my recommendation of theory and algorithm courses [19:40] montco forces you to take many prerequists before learning how to do actual programming [19:40] so i am kind of shot on that. [19:40] (and not just because I'm a PhD student in Drexel's CS program doing algorithms stuff :) ) [19:41] what sort of prerequisites? [19:41] waltman: the few intro to programming classes and such [19:41] hello world is probably the first six weeks... [19:41] "intro to programming" doesn't teach you programming? [19:41] ah intro to programming or...html for dummies aka art major class [19:41] waltman: I am not sure entirely [19:42] but the word i have heard is that its pretty much a waste of time [19:42] especially since i won't learning anything... [19:42] No, by "algorithms" I mean learning how to think about the runtimes of sorting methods, np completeness, etc. [19:43] right [19:43] temple surely must have reasonable intro courses [19:45] The only thing I know they're doing research-wise at Temple is with geographic and mapping software. Some folks have talked about it at PLUG. It sounds like a cool project. [19:48] jedijf: loco council meeting soon? [19:48] i dont like sorting algorithms [19:48] sorting algorithms are awesome [19:48] but they're really just the tip of the iceberg, algorithms-wise [19:49] geographic mapping software sounds really dull to be honest :P [19:50] leave that for tomtom [19:50] so what's exciting? [19:50] robots? [19:50] servers [19:50] mmm servers [19:50] * pleia2 attempts to grab sandwich before meeting [19:50] minimalism -> effeciency [19:50] * jedijf too [19:51] whens this meeting? [19:51] 4 [19:51] s/whens/wheres [19:51] we had a talk yesterday morning with a Drexel ECE prof who's working on ultra-low power systems. Very interesting stuff. [19:51] #ubuntu-meeting [19:51] waltman: I dunno what else I like. Linux in general [19:51] waltman: like ARM based servers? [19:52] More like how the next generation of boards might be designed to cut down on power consumption. [19:53] Thing turning bits on and off as they're needed [19:53] waltman: I like programming simple things. I hate web interfaces though so I stay away from the internet design/ scripting [19:53] anything you'd reccomend for me then? [19:53] think of it like this: you are the match.com and mutant turkey is trying to find a partner, except the partner is an area to study. [19:54] Well, "simple things" have a tendency to get complex :) [19:54] only if you design it poorly [19:55] do one thing and do it well is what I see [19:55] I've taken a bunch of graphics courses here and enjoyed them a bit. There's a lot of math, often a minimal ui, interesting algorithms to speed things up, and you end up with pretty pictures when you're done. [19:56] computer vision's related to that. Drexel offers a course on computational photography that a lot of students like. [19:56] yeah I worked in a lab with alot of people doing that [19:58] waltman: not to interested in new fangled stuff [19:58] so I don't think I would be much good for getting a degree in it. [19:59] much rather be a history professor and brainwash kids with libertarian values :x [19:59] Well, Temple will also have operating systems and networking courses. Maybe you'd enjoy them better. [20:00] maybe so [20:00] I think I would [20:00] help appreciated i am driving too [20:00] sandwich \o/ [20:00] jedijf: ok [20:01] waltman: I am interested in deploying networking solutions for businesses [20:02] jedijf: we should have some sort of chant. I SAY US you say PA [20:02] we should get jackets like a motorcycle gang. fly the colors hehe [20:13] you werent kidding about a bunch being before pa [20:14] argentina? [20:21] this argentina guy is pissing me off. [20:21] he waits 5 minutes, types 1 sentance. [20:21] I don't always type slowly, but when I do, it's in a world wide ubuntu meeting with 200+ people [20:22] lag [20:22] dialup [20:22] crankup [20:22] worldwide issues [20:22] lewis dots structures :| [20:22] carrier pidgin connection? [20:22] we should start an isp [20:23] pvl1: okay, thanks for donating the hundreds of thousands for the startup [20:24] i have 4 dollars in my savings :) [20:25] I have 5 cents. literally [20:25] no job either :[ [20:25] anyone hiring a strapping young lad to do tedious labor here? [20:26] you could probably mow my parents yard [20:27] sounds really promising in october... [20:27] well i have 12 cents in my account [20:27] everyone come to the zoooooooo [20:27] i was doing yard work over the summer [20:27] and i was getting good under the table jobs [20:27] jedijf: do we have team reports? [20:28]