[04:59] <andrew> Yikes: http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/lfsbh/unitys_lens_just_got_a_whole_new_meaning_for_me/
[05:26] <beta0x64> holy cow
[05:28] <andrew> Even after trying Unity for a few months when 11.04 came out, I can't any advantages to using it on a desktop over standard gnome (or perhaps xfce, which I need to visit)
[05:43] <beta0x64> because mark shuttleworth blessed it from space
[05:43] <beta0x64> duh
[05:53] <InHisName> is there an equiv to Windows "task mgr" in ubuntu ?     I need to see what's running and ps -ef shows too much and can't tell what's messing with BaseroDiskBurner for it to not start at all.
[05:54] <beta0x64> I believe System Monitor
[06:18] <InHisName> perfect.   yep it was running.  I killed it from there.
[06:19] <InHisName> Used to be along the bottom was all the running apps.  I could click on those to bring them to show on desktop.  Then I could gracefully close app or whatever.
[06:20] <InHisName> Some running apps show in unity bar, but obviously not all of them.
[06:37] <InHisName> My trashed up backup machine    is now being 'updated' by alternate CD 11.10.   It wants to re-partition the drive.   How to use the same parts as before:   /boot / and /home    lastly the swap    NOT to reformat but just to rewrite so I get full set of 11.10 and not 3/4 of it and 1/4 of old 11.04  which does not boot.
[06:43] <beta0x64> dude
[06:44] <beta0x64> I would just copy everything of value and rewrite
[06:44] <beta0x64> :[
[09:53] <rmg51> Morning
[09:55] <JonathanD> Morning.
[10:15] <rmg51> 0/
[10:15] <JonathanD> hey rmg51
[10:15] <JonathanD> going to come zooing with us?
[10:15] <rmg51> depends on the day
[10:15] <JonathanD> Dec 3rd.
[10:16] <jackson> morning
[10:16] <rmg51> I have vocal cord surgery on Dec. 1st
[10:16] <JonathanD> Does this mean you'll come, but be very quiet? :)
[10:16] <rmg51> I won't be talking for at least a week
[10:18] <rmg51> I don't really like the idea of going to a social event and not being able to talk
[10:18] <rmg51> 0/
[10:18] <rmg51> \0
[10:18] <rmg51> ^ the total of my conversations
[10:21] <rmg51> and I still need a ride to and from the hospital
[10:21] <JonathanD> You could bring flash cards!
[10:22] <JonathanD> I
[10:22] <JonathanD> like
[10:22] <JonathanD> the
[10:22] <JonathanD> monkeys.
[10:22] <JonathanD> rmg51: I'm sure someone here can be arranged to take you there.
[10:22] <JonathanD> to the hosp, I mean
[10:23] <rmg51> I still have to call a friend of my mom's who can usually take me
[10:24] <rmg51> others live to far away
[10:24] <JonathanD> http://geeknic.org/?p=159
[10:24] <rmg51> I may have to be there as early as 6 am
[10:24] <JonathanD> Fun :)
[10:25] <rmg51> I won't sign up, but I may be a drop in
[10:27] <JonathanD> sign up is mostly so I can email people plan changes.
[10:27] <JonathanD> and potentially for the group rate thing.
[10:30] <JonathanD> updated with zoo links
[10:32] <rmg51> if this was just a "tour" of the zoo I would have no problem with it
[10:32] <JonathanD> We can do a tour for $5 extra
[10:32] <JonathanD> per person
[10:32] <rmg51> if we get together for a social time that leaves me out
[10:33] <JonathanD> yeah :/
[10:33] <JonathanD> rmg51: next time? :)
[10:33] <JonathanD> We'll probably do one in spring.
[10:33] <rmg51> do it a week later and i will be trying to talk :P
[10:34] <JonathanD> I don't wanna go much further into dec. Too cold
[10:34] <JonathanD> 3rd is too cold as it is.
[10:34] <JonathanD> we'll do it in mid feb. Bring your snow shoes.
[10:34] <rmg51> I guess I'll just sleep in that day
[10:34] <JonathanD> Sorry :)
[10:35] <JonathanD> Would you like me to get you a stick alligator triggery thing?
[10:35] <rmg51> I still have to wait till after the surgery to know my restrictions
[10:36] <rmg51> Teddy can talk more then I could
[10:36] <rmg51> ok, breakfast time
[10:36] <JonathanD> have fun.
[10:47] <JonathanD> I am hungry :/
[12:08] <teddy-dbear> morning
[13:48] <InHisName> I have /boot  ,  /  ,  /home, and  swap directories.   ubuntu is 0.7*11.10 and 0.3*11.04 and wont boot, says / is not good.    I now have CD burned with i386.iso for 11.10.   How to KEEP /home ok and not reformat any of the partitions ?    I'm at point  where it seems to demand partitioning.  Not sure of next few steps.
[13:49] <InHisName> Oh, yes, good morning to you all
[13:54] <jthan> Morning
[13:54] <jthan> InHisName: it should allow you to keep your old /home
[13:55] <jthan> you may lose the rest, not sure. I haven't used the installer in a long time.
[13:55] <jthan> what do you mean by .7*11.10 and .3*11.04?
[13:55] <InHisName> That is what I thought too.   It seems to be demanding new partitions.   70% one 30% other
[13:56] <InHisName> boogered up upgrade
[13:57] <anduril> Couldnt you just do a manual install with no /home (instead it'll put /home in /) and then when you get setup and logged in you move your home from the internal home to the seperate partition?
[13:57] <InHisName> Its not my primary compter, just one to fall back to when main is on fritz.
[13:57] <InHisName> Good thought, anduril
[13:57] <jthan> anduril: That's actually a good idea, and it didn't cross my mind.
[13:58] <anduril> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Partitioning/Home/Moving
[13:58] <jthan> But you need to make sure it doesn't reformat your old /home
[13:58] <anduril> as long as you uncheck that partition in the installer it shouldnt touch it
[13:58] <InHisName> I have the partitions identified as to which is which
[13:58] <jthan> Again, the last time I used the Ubuntu installer was probably... 8.x? Maybe 9.x
[13:58] <InHisName> Been a while for me too.
[13:59] <InHisName> I thought there was some kind of 'upgrade' option with alternate CD.  But I have not seen it yet.
[14:00] <InHisName> Just install, live  CD boot and few variants is all.
[14:01] <anduril> honestly last time I did this was on arch on my netbook but once you get past the install the /home migration is pretty much the same across all distros
[14:02] <jthan> You still use arch?
[14:02] <anduril> no it was too much work lol I have crunchbang on the netbook now
[14:03] <jthan> I was a gentoo user on and off
[14:07] <anduril> I messed around with gentoo back on my first pc build in like 2001. that was...painful on AMD K6-3 450
[14:08] <jthan> I could see that happening..
[14:08] <jthan> once you get your "initial" compiles done, it isn't too bad
[14:08] <anduril> I think it took 3 days to compile either gnome or X11
[14:08] <jthan> I used to just let my updates go every night
[14:08] <jthan> Well I've got a 2.5GhZ quad core and it took me a good 10 hours
[14:08] <jthan> so don't feel too bda
[14:08] <jthan> bad*
[14:09] <anduril> I just put the original case I used out on the curb hopefully someone can use it. Inwin Q500 freakin tank of a full tower. Sadly it'd be too much work to make into a useable tower anymore
[14:10] <jthan> :-(
[14:10] <InHisName> tossing some heavy iron, anduril ?
[14:11] <JonathanD> jthan: go to zoo?
[14:11] <anduril> yea it was 30+ lbs of pure rolled steel
[14:19] <rmg51> InHisName: the alt upgrade option is only good if you can boot to the desktop
[14:19] <InHisName> oh, how disappointing.
[14:19] <InHisName> Can't boot to desktop, wont boot.
[14:20] <anduril> what error are you getting? or it just hangs?
[14:20] <InHisName> Wow, that's some HEAVY case.   I lost lotta desire for it now.
[14:21] <InHisName> Says / is not good enough to mount.    But it does not say OS missing.
[14:22] <anduril> can you boot into single user mode and then run a fsck of the file system?
[14:22] <InHisName> no it can't mount the / and /boot and /home and whatever.
[14:23] <InHisName> If I say 'manual' mount, I think I get linux running but unsure if any HD spindles are used.  Might all be ram disk.
[14:24] <InHisName> I tried reading results of  $mount    but nothing familiar.     NO /sda'n'/ something
[14:25] <InHisName> /dev/sda'n'/
[14:25] <anduril> are all your partitions on the same hd?
[14:26] <InHisName> yes
[14:26] <InHisName> swap too
[14:26] <anduril> run any tests of the HD to see if its having problems?
[14:26] <InHisName> reboot live CD to run tests ?
[14:27] <anduril> I think the live cd really only has a memory tester. you'd want to use your hard drive manufactorers test tool
[14:27] <anduril> fairly sure ubuntu only reads the smart data and smart...really isnt that smart
[14:27] <InHisName> Everything was fine until the update mgr got messed up with upgrade.
[14:55] <pavel__> hello
[15:16] <InHisName> hello pavel__
[15:16] <pavel__> whats up
[15:21] <MutantTurkey> bajaa freshhh
[15:32] <InHisName> Ghaaaahhh,  doing manual setup for partitions during install, I could not figure out how to set the flags to continue.   Finally gave up and went with guided partitioning.    It auto set them the way I needed them.  Now continuing.
[15:33] <InHisName> K for keep, no format( /,  /boot,  &  /home).    F for reformat (swap only)
[15:34] <InHisName> well, pavel__ what's up with you today.   I am on upgrading machine #2 for 2nd time.
[15:35] <pavel__> well i foiund a 3d library for android that i havent looked at yet
[15:35] <pavel__> which reminds me, i was so pissed. i have a headless ubuntu box as my home router/gateway, vpn, ftp etc
[15:36] <pavel__> and its fan broke, so the cpu overheated, and it wouldnt restart. in trying to replace the computer, i brokje a pentium celeron
[15:36] <pavel__> but ended up using its fan
[15:36] <pavel__> so its all kosher now
[15:36] <pavel__> this all happend right after an upgrade
[15:41] <InHisName> Swell time huh?
[15:41] <InHisName> I had fan go in my router/firewall/voipphone too.
[15:41] <InHisName> I overheated and stopped.
[15:41] <InHisName> *It
[15:42] <pavel__> yeah, what was convenient tho
[15:42] <pavel__> is that after i let it kool
[15:42] <pavel__> it works fine
[15:42] <InHisName> I changed the fan opps the whole  power supply and gave it a try,  WOW it booted and has been working since.
[15:43] <pavel__> i was really worreid bc i dont think i have another p4 lying around, and my main other option was to downgrade to a p3
[15:43] <InHisName> s/opps/oops/
[15:43] <pavel__> the fan opps?
[15:44] <InHisName> The supply was toasted.
[15:44] <pavel__> ooh
[15:45] <pavel__> i thought there was a simple way to mess with the fans settings
[15:45] <pavel__> wishful thinking
[15:46] <InHisName> On newer boxes, you can mess with fan settings.  Change speed to less than max if desired.   Quieter and a tad warmer though.
[15:54] <pavel__> g2g, bll
[15:54] <pavel__> bbl
[15:55] <MutantTurkey> pavel__: I have a p4 if you want it
[15:55] <MutantTurkey> also have a pentium D @ 3.20 Ghz and a ATI card I have no use for.
[15:57] <pavel__> hmmmmm, is it a dell? PM me MutantTurkey, i need to go on a run
[15:57] <pavel__> btw baja fresh is the shit
[15:57] <pavel__> best soft drink on the market
[15:57] <InHisName> just what is this 'baja fresh' ?
[15:58] <InHisName> Oh junk food ?
[15:58] <InHisName> not sofware app?
[15:59] <InHisName> System install had issues with one section.  Finished tried rebooting, hung.   Tried recovery mode.  Now booted into prompt.
[15:59] <MutantTurkey> the mexican place....
[15:59] <MutantTurkey> thats baja blast
[15:59] <MutantTurkey> also the shit
[15:59] <InHisName> Must be gui issue with booting.
[16:00] <MutantTurkey> pavel__: yeah it will actually be thursday before I get this pentium D.
[16:00] <MutantTurkey> friend has it for the time being
[16:03] <InHisName> If I boot recovery and get terminal prompt, is there way to start gui process to see what might be failing ?   Would it be 'startx' or more or something different ?
[16:03] <InHisName> more parameters
[16:05] <MutantTurkey> startx
[16:05] <MutantTurkey> should work by istelf
[16:05] <MutantTurkey> xinit also works
[16:05] <MutantTurkey> no params
[16:06] <InHisName> 'k
[16:07] <InHisName> Hmmm, maybe worse than I thought.
[16:08] <InHisName> bash: startx: command not found    also xinit not found
[16:09] <InHisName> maybe should try for install #3
[16:09] <MutantTurkey> wow
[16:10] <MutantTurkey> do you even have xorg installed?
[16:10] <MutantTurkey> also, in recovery mode are you actually mounting the root fs?
[16:10] <InHisName> not sure what I got, I'll check and see
[16:10] <MutantTurkey> because you might just be on the initramfs (i thin)
[16:10] <InHisName> I thought I was mounting it.
[16:11] <MutantTurkey> not soure
[16:11] <MutantTurkey> sure
[16:11] <MutantTurkey> how did the upgrade break?
[16:14] <InHisName> One of the steps had issues.  Said I could continue or re-work that step.   Did one re-work still got errors.  So went on and tried that.  NOPE
[16:16] <InHisName> five dirs have xorg in their paths.   one man page, 3 X11 s, and one /usr/lib
[16:17] <InHisName> I'll just go ahead and do #3
[16:35] <GeekyAdam> so, mysql just stopped working for me. when i "sudo service mysql start" it says "job failed to start". ugh.
[16:49] <anduril> anyone tried a bulldozer system under linux yet?
[17:20] <InHisName> GeekyAdam: did you check to see if part of it was still running and getting in way of starting ?
[17:21] <GeekyAdam> InHisName: ps aux |grep sql showed nothing...anything else i should try?
[17:22] <InHisName> I usually try ps -ef| etc.   may not be any better than aux
[17:23] <GeekyAdam> same results :(
[17:26] <InHisName> sorry
[17:27] <InHisName> power down, & reboot and try to start it  yet ?
[17:30] <InHisName> Seems to failing to install software correctly.   The Select & install step fails.    I retry but same fail.   So, continue and boot into recovery.  All parts are mounted.   df -h /   gives  39G size,  36G free  so disk is not filling up.   Used is only 990M, may be missing to write a bunch of stuff.
[17:52] <InHisName> On my main computer I have 48G size for / and 27G used with 19G free.   I think .9G is way too little for / .
[17:53] <GeekyAdam> looks like the problem lies with my drive being full somehow... 36G in /var/lib/ureadahead/debugfs/, except debugfs is an empty directory...wtf?
[18:04] <pavel__> hello
[18:07] <GeekyAdam> hi pavel__
[18:35] <pavel__> anyone know of a wayt to recycle old computer parts
[18:36] <anduril_> yup take em to a local staples if you're in the US
[18:42] <MutantTurkey> doesn't jedijf have some hookup to recycle old stuf
[18:42] <MutantTurkey> ?
[18:42] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: ^
[18:42] <JonathanD> I eat old computer prats.
[18:42] <JonathanD> they are good on tacos.
[18:43] <anduril_> comcast why you mess up my cablez?!?
[18:44] <MutantTurkey> AOL, why you still exist?
[18:48] <InHisName> JonathanD: do computer prats    really taste good ?
[18:48] <JonathanD> yes.
[18:51] <InHisName> You should try cablez 'n' pratz, cablez 'n' pratz, cablez 'n' pratz,   oooohhh kinda reminds me of an old dog food commercial.
[19:00] <pavel__> no like really old
[19:00] <pavel__> like 20gb hard drives
[19:00] <MutantTurkey> really old?
[19:00] <MutantTurkey> like 1000mb hard drives
[19:01] <jedijf> pavel__: ntr always accepts donations http://ntrweb.org/
[19:01] <jedijf> MutantTurkey: you makin' fun of my supply? :P
[19:02]  * jedijf actually has a box of 4 giggers
[19:02] <jedijf> that i *purchased*
[19:03] <MutantTurkey> ntr thats that
[19:03] <jedijf> reminder, this team, Ubuntu-US-PA Local Community Team is going for re-approval in #ubuntu-meeting at 4, support of what goes on in here, on the mailing list, in the forums, and elsewhere would be greatly appreciated
[19:04] <MutantTurkey> for the record, baja fresh was delicious
[19:04] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: you have to get re approved?
[19:04] <jedijf> but, I am sure that everyone here has read the email and the forum post about re-approval
[19:04] <MutantTurkey> ...
[19:04] <jedijf> MutantTurkey: yes
[19:04] <MutantTurkey> do you need a show of force or something?
[19:04] <pavel__> im drinking baja fresh atm
[19:05] <jedijf> and is a member of the team on launchpad and has, or really wants to sign the CoC
[19:06] <jedijf> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3077663&postcount=1
[19:06] <MutantTurkey> pavel__: no no no. it's baja blast...
[19:07] <jedijf> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-us-pa/2011-October/001184.html
[19:07] <jedijf> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/TeamApprovalGuidelines
[19:08] <jedijf> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/LoCoTeamReApproval
[19:08] <MutantTurkey> gotcha
[19:08] <jedijf> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PennsylvaniaTeam/ReapprovalApplication
[19:08] <MutantTurkey> so all you gotta do is show up
[19:08] <jedijf> and wait to be grilled
[19:09] <jedijf> thankfully there should be other teams first, even though i think we should be ok
[19:09] <MutantTurkey> aren't we a relatively large team for a state?
[19:11] <jedijf> probably average...200 soemthing doesn't seem that large
[19:12] <jedijf> we should be at 1k in my opinion
[19:12] <pavel__> aye it is
[19:12] <pavel__> idk y but i keep messing that up MutantTurkey
[19:13] <anduril__> would it help if I show up and say Im installing ubuntu right at that moment? ;)
[19:14] <MutantTurkey> anduril__: no no no
[19:14] <MutantTurkey> gotta take the blues brothers approach
[19:14] <anduril__> drive there?!?
[19:14] <MutantTurkey> "are you the police?" "No Ma'am we're members of PA LoCo"
[19:15] <MutantTurkey> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkaNisbzsLY
[19:15] <MutantTurkey> relevant
[19:16] <jedijf> anduril__: what part of the state?
[19:16] <pavel__> well thats great, my new monitor doesnt work anymore
[19:16] <anduril__> Harrisburg area. So actually...the "105 miles to chicago" line works since its about 105 miles to philly heh
[19:17] <jedijf> anduril__: any cplug activity by you?
[19:17] <jedijf> anduril__: throw a realease party
[19:17] <MutantTurkey> a tank full of glass, half pace of ciggs, sunglasses on blah blah blah
[19:18] <jedijf> cplug is re-organizing they'd probably be up for it
[19:18] <MutantTurkey> 2 weeks till trinity 3.5.13 and I am going crazy trying to fix bugs
[19:19] <anduril__> jedijf no idea havent gone to any of their activities. And honestly not a huge ubuntu user 0_o it never seems to like my desktop
[19:20] <jedijf> anduril__: that's ok, it's more about community anyway; fake it
[19:21] <anduril__> lol
[19:21] <anduril__> Hey I was the one that went to the millersville thing with a friend :-p
[19:22] <jedijf> anduril__: awesome, then you are referenced in application!  ty
[19:23] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: should do a linux event at montco
[19:24] <jedijf> MutantTurkey: set it up!
[19:24] <jedijf> I'll announce when the cds arrive
[19:24] <MutantTurkey> who should I talk to about it?
[19:25] <jedijf> that building on the left, with the library, or a cool teacher in the new building
[19:25] <jedijf> across from the library
[19:26] <MutantTurkey> haha so vague
[19:26] <MutantTurkey> the new building across from the library, the ATC
[19:28] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: I get the feeling from talking to people who are taking comp sci classes that they are a bunch of Java/ Visual basic heads.
[19:30] <jedijf> ask
[19:30] <jedijf> your feelings may be wrong
[19:30] <MutantTurkey> also not a comp sci student... I will ask
[19:30] <jedijf> you'll be surprised
[19:30] <jedijf> just let them know that we exist
[19:30] <jedijf> http://ubuntupennsylvania.org/
[19:33] <waltman> MutantTurkey: It depends a lot on the individual program
[19:34] <jedijf> and the individual, i would imagine
[19:34] <MutantTurkey>  yeah
[19:34] <waltman> I'd advise you to take some algorithms/theory courses if you're interested
[19:35] <MutantTurkey> I am a history major :P
[19:35] <waltman> Do you know how to program?
[19:35] <jedijf> what happened to music production?
[19:35] <MutantTurkey> waltman: yes quite well
[19:35] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: starting a home studio as a side project
[19:35] <pavel__> id like to b a sound tech
[19:35] <waltman> MutantTurkey: in java and/or vb? :)
[19:36] <MutantTurkey> waltman: C, C++, dabbled in python but it is terrible.
[19:36]  * waltman recommends perl :)
[19:36] <MutantTurkey> java is not a programming langauge i would like to learn
[19:36] <MutantTurkey> perl is not a programming language either
[19:36] <waltman> or possibly ruby, which is a really lovely language
[19:36] <jedijf> MutantTurkey: wasn't vb only for your *drexel* internship?
[19:36] <MutantTurkey> all scripting languages
[19:37] <waltman> MutantTurkey: You're at Drexel?
[19:37] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: I worked in the Mac lab
[19:37] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: working on a math related website
[19:37] <jedijf> i am just trying to stir stuff up
[19:37] <MutantTurkey> waltman: did an internship
[19:37] <jedijf> your perl statement started it
[19:37] <MutantTurkey> !xkcd real programmers
[19:37] <waltman> You did an internship *at* Drexel? Most students go the other way :)
[19:37] <MutantTurkey> yes
[19:37] <MutantTurkey> http://xkcd.com/378/
[19:38] <MutantTurkey> waltman: i know a professor there. He had a student drop out and so he asked me
[19:38] <jedijf> waltman: MutantTurkey is still technically in high school, i believe
[19:38] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: but i'll graduate in december:D
[19:38] <jedijf> well, based on orange soda, i mean
[19:38] <MutantTurkey> pending this chemistry class.
[19:38] <waltman> jedijf: ah :)
[19:39] <MutantTurkey> probably going to temple though, waltman
[19:39] <waltman> MutantTurkey: have you decided yet where you're going to college? Ah.
[19:39] <MutantTurkey> not really decided
[19:39] <MutantTurkey> I've been at montco for over a year now. so i'll have my assocaites in the spring
[19:39] <waltman> Well, I still stand by my recommendation of theory and algorithm courses
[19:40] <MutantTurkey> montco forces you to take many prerequists before learning how to do actual programming
[19:40] <MutantTurkey> so i am kind of shot on that.
[19:40] <waltman> (and not just because I'm a PhD student in Drexel's CS program doing algorithms stuff :) )
[19:41] <waltman> what sort of prerequisites?
[19:41] <MutantTurkey> waltman: the few intro to programming classes and such
[19:41] <MutantTurkey> hello world is probably the first six weeks...
[19:41] <waltman> "intro to programming" doesn't teach you programming?
[19:41] <anduril__> ah intro to programming or...html for dummies aka art major class
[19:41] <MutantTurkey> waltman: I am not sure entirely
[19:42] <MutantTurkey> but the word i have heard is that its pretty much a waste of time
[19:42] <MutantTurkey> especially since i won't learning anything...
[19:42] <waltman> No, by "algorithms" I mean learning how to think about the runtimes of sorting methods, np completeness, etc.
[19:43] <MutantTurkey> right
[19:43] <waltman> temple surely must have reasonable intro courses
[19:45] <waltman> The only thing I know they're doing research-wise at Temple is with geographic and mapping software. Some folks have talked about it at PLUG. It sounds like a cool project.
[19:48] <pleia2> jedijf: loco council meeting soon?
[19:48] <pvl1> i dont like sorting algorithms
[19:48] <waltman> sorting algorithms are awesome
[19:48] <waltman> but they're really just the tip of the iceberg, algorithms-wise
[19:49] <MutantTurkey> geographic mapping software sounds really dull to be honest :P
[19:50] <MutantTurkey> leave that for tomtom
[19:50] <waltman> so what's exciting?
[19:50] <waltman> robots?
[19:50] <MutantTurkey> servers
[19:50] <anduril__> mmm servers
[19:50]  * pleia2 attempts to grab sandwich before meeting
[19:50] <MutantTurkey> minimalism -> effeciency
[19:50]  * jedijf too
[19:51] <MutantTurkey> whens this meeting?
[19:51] <anduril__> 4
[19:51] <MutantTurkey> s/whens/wheres
[19:51] <waltman> we had a talk yesterday morning with a Drexel ECE prof who's working on ultra-low power systems. Very interesting stuff.
[19:51] <jedijf> #ubuntu-meeting
[19:51] <MutantTurkey> waltman: I dunno what else I like. Linux in general
[19:51] <MutantTurkey> waltman: like ARM based servers?
[19:52] <waltman> More like how the next generation of boards might be designed to cut down on power consumption.
[19:53] <waltman> Thing turning bits on and off as they're needed
[19:53] <MutantTurkey> waltman: I like programming simple things. I hate web interfaces though so I stay away from the internet design/ scripting
[19:53] <MutantTurkey> anything you'd reccomend for me then?
[19:53] <MutantTurkey> think of it like this: you are the match.com and mutant turkey is trying to find a partner, except the partner is  an area to study.
[19:54] <waltman> Well, "simple things" have a tendency to get complex :)
[19:54] <MutantTurkey> only if you design it poorly
[19:55] <MutantTurkey> do one thing and do it well is what I see
[19:55] <waltman> I've taken a bunch of graphics courses here and enjoyed them a bit. There's a lot of math, often a minimal ui, interesting algorithms to speed things up, and you end up with pretty pictures when you're done.
[19:56] <waltman> computer vision's related to that. Drexel offers a course on computational photography that a lot of students like.
[19:56] <MutantTurkey> yeah I worked in a lab with alot of people doing that
[19:58] <MutantTurkey> waltman: not to interested in new fangled stuff
[19:58] <MutantTurkey> so I don't think I would be much good for getting a degree in it.
[19:59] <MutantTurkey> much rather be a history professor and brainwash kids with libertarian values :x
[19:59] <waltman> Well, Temple will also have operating systems and networking courses. Maybe you'd enjoy them better.
[20:00] <MutantTurkey> maybe so
[20:00] <MutantTurkey> I think I would
[20:00] <jedijf> help appreciated i am driving too
[20:00] <pleia2> sandwich \o/
[20:00] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: ok
[20:01] <MutantTurkey> waltman: I am interested in deploying networking solutions for businesses
[20:02] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: we should have some sort of chant. I SAY US you say PA
[20:02] <anduril> we should get jackets like a motorcycle gang. fly the colors hehe
[20:13] <anduril> you werent kidding about a bunch being before pa
[20:14] <MobileTurkey> argentina?
[20:21] <MobileTurkey> this argentina guy is pissing me off.
[20:21] <MobileTurkey> he waits 5 minutes, types 1 sentance.
[20:21] <MobileTurkey> I don't always type slowly, but when I do, it's in a world wide ubuntu meeting with 200+ people
[20:22] <jedijf> lag
[20:22] <jedijf> dialup
[20:22] <jedijf> crankup
[20:22] <jedijf> worldwide issues
[20:22] <MobileTurkey> lewis dots structures :|
[20:22] <anduril> carrier pidgin connection?
[20:22] <pvl1> we should start an isp
[20:23] <MobileTurkey> pvl1: okay, thanks for donating the hundreds of thousands for the startup
[20:24] <pvl1> i have 4 dollars in my savings :)
[20:25] <MobileTurkey> I have 5 cents. literally
[20:25] <MobileTurkey> no job either :[
[20:25] <MobileTurkey> anyone hiring a strapping young lad to do tedious labor here?
[20:26] <anduril> you could probably mow my parents yard
[20:27] <MobileTurkey> sounds really promising in october...
[20:27] <pvl1> well i have 12 cents in my account
[20:27] <JonathanD> everyone come to the zoooooooo
[20:27] <pvl1> i was doing yard work over the summer
[20:27] <pvl1> and i was getting good under the table jobs
[20:27] <MobileTurkey> jedijf: do we have team reports?
[20:28] <jedijf> a couple, but i am covering that with my canned responses, that i am typing on the fly
[20:28] <MobileTurkey> nice
[20:28] <MobileTurkey> jedijf: pull over.
[20:30] <jedijf> i will, eventually
[20:31] <jedijf> want to at least get into pa!
[20:31] <anduril> ah huh thats why Win7 wouldnt let me shrink the partition. 10 updates waiting to install
[20:36] <MobileTurkey> when are we up to do it?
[20:37] <jedijf> next, after michigan
[20:38] <MobileTurkey> ok
[20:39] <MobileTurkey> EVERYONE GO INTO #ubuntu-meeting !!! GO GO GO
[20:39] <pvl1> i did, y
[20:40] <MobileTurkey> pvl1: shhhh
[20:49] <JonathanD>  /698
[20:54] <pangolin> for a minute there I thought the team wasn't going to get approved.
[20:54] <pangolin> Congrats!
[20:55] <pvl1> are there any programming competitions amongst the loco teams?
[20:55] <MobileTurkey> wooho
[20:56] <jedijf> i should have left roadmap as solo bullet points
[20:56] <jedijf> i tried to reference the future with our past events
[20:56] <jedijf> so the page jumped
[20:57] <jedijf> we have so much to reference
[20:57] <jedijf> if i were them, I would have asked why is most philly, and no other regions...but i'll take it
[20:59] <MobileTurkey> they are clearly concerned with irrelevant things
[20:59] <MobileTurkey> 0% of people actally care about how the roadmap looks on the team
[20:59] <MobileTurkey> but the committee wants to see the roadmap, so we have a roadmap
[20:59] <MobileTurkey> either way the team is going strong
[21:00]  * jedijf looking up this leogg charachter
[21:00] <MobileTurkey> who is he?
[21:00] <MobileTurkey> i though i recognized the paul guy
[21:02] <pleia2> sometimes I eat giant ubuntu cookies with paultag :d
[21:03] <MobileTurkey> where are these cookies.
[21:09] <MobileTurkey> I need some to keep me going while studying for my chem exam
[21:12] <jedijf> all this team report interest. i was just gonna use loco. for that
[21:13] <MobileTurkey> that sentance doesn't make sense
[21:13] <jedijf> so, i guess, kill 'events', use loco dot, and link team report to loco dot
[21:14] <jedijf> MobileTurkey: loco.ubuntu.com/teams/pennsylvania
[21:16] <MobileTurkey> ah
[21:51] <InHisName> During "select and install software"   I see --> retrieving n of 1056 files, it counts up to 1055 then spits out error.    ---> An installation step failed, try again or skip this step.
[21:59] <anduril> congrats jedijf for getting us reaccpted btw :) had to run to the grocery store so didnt get to say that earlier
[22:00] <InHisName> "re" accepted ?
[22:19] <jedijf> i changed page too
[22:19] <jedijf> anduril: thank you
[22:25] <anduril> and sleep works on my laptop w/ 11.10 sweeeeeeeeet
[22:50] <anduril> hmm brightness does not tho. oh well
[23:03] <MobileTurkey> does 11.10 use the 3.0 kernel series?
[23:03] <MobileTurkey> its bugging me that i am on 2.6.38
[23:04] <anduril>  yes
[23:04] <anduril> Im showing 3.0.0-12
[23:04] <anduril> though i dont think much changed from the last 2.6.xx to 3.0
[23:07] <MobileTurkey> much changed.
[23:07] <MobileTurkey> lots and lots of driver updates and such
[23:10] <anduril> so why does unity show some icons highlighted when an app is running but others are not?
[23:12] <jedijf> MobileTurkey: heard of pacman? [jimf@arch_desktop ~]$ uname -a
[23:12] <jedijf> Linux arch_desktop 3.0-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Tue Aug 30 08:53:25 CEST 2011 x86_64 Intel(R) Pentium(R) CPU E5700 @ 3.00GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
[23:14] <MobileTurkey> have I heard of pacman? :D
[23:14] <MobileTurkey> jedijf: I am running freaking ubuntu
[23:14] <jedijf> lol
[23:14] <jedijf> oops
[23:15] <MobileTurkey> its so terrible
[23:15] <MobileTurkey> I am goin back as soon as I can
[23:15] <MobileTurkey> I just need to wait for this release first
[23:15] <jedijf> i am running both
[23:15] <MobileTurkey> me as well
[23:15] <jedijf> k
[23:15] <MobileTurkey> but I haven't setup arch yet
[23:15] <MobileTurkey> well its setup, just not yet perfect
[23:15] <jedijf> MobileTurkey: send back the laptop
[23:16] <jedijf> you're gonna wait and blow it
[23:16] <MobileTurkey> 2 years?
[23:16] <jedijf> ok, is this channel still logged
[23:16] <MobileTurkey> and?
[23:16] <MobileTurkey> I have to wait until this _release_
[23:16] <jedijf> the longer it goes, the less likely it goes back
[23:17] <jedijf> but, then again, duct tape is leet
[23:17] <MobileTurkey> Nov 1st the day i send it back
[23:18] <jedijf> power corrupts
[23:18] <jedijf> cpu power corrupts completely
[23:19] <jedijf> MobileTurkey: btw, other than the bezel, how is it?
[23:19] <anduril> whats the laptop?
[23:19] <jedijf> tricked out lenovo
[23:20] <anduril> mmm thinkpad
[23:20] <JonathanD> mmm lenovo /73
[23:20] <MobileTurkey> its amazing
[23:20] <MobileTurkey> its really totally absolutely 100% awesome
[23:20] <MobileTurkey> basically.
[23:21] <anduril> so why are you sending it back?
[23:21] <MobileTurkey> anduril: factory defect
[23:21] <InHisName> Sortof a cracked lid isn't it, MobileTurkey ?
[23:22] <MobileTurkey> yep
[23:22] <MobileTurkey> forums.lenovo.com/t5/X-Series-ThinkPad-Laptops/X220-Lid-breaking/td-p/559871
[23:22] <MobileTurkey> not so good advice i got
[23:22] <MobileTurkey> anduril: http://imgur.com/nRWa5,Ycm8G#1
[23:23] <MobileTurkey> studying chemisty :[
[23:23] <anduril> damn...
[23:26] <anduril> apparently you study chemistry hard
[23:33] <jedijf> lol
[23:33] <jedijf> like an animal
[23:34] <anduril> I mean seriously where you tempting to determine the break point of thermite or something?
[23:34] <jedijf> his nick is /mutant/ turkey
[23:34] <MobileTurkey> magnesium lid i think
[23:35] <anduril> ...so you had relations with your lid?
[23:35] <MobileTurkey> I refuse to read between the lines
[23:36] <anduril> well ya might have to if the lid keeps breakin like that cause you'll only be seein every other line ;)
[23:44] <MobileTurkey> actually the screen is functioning perfectly
[23:44] <MobileTurkey> I am not sure what you are getting at.
[23:49] <anduril> normally a break like that in my experience is caused by drop-page or the like and the screen stops working at some point. thats all I ment
[23:54] <anduril> not saying ya caused it tho :)