[00:00] Can't wait till I get the ATRIX laptop dock maybe irc will be easier haha [00:02] Kubuntu is loading. Its almost done [00:02] No internet. [00:03] Snowhog it also no longer shows eth0 in ifconfig -a [00:04] Starn: Okay, then it is an issue with the network interface and the newer kernel. We are talking about the wireless connection, yes? Or the wired lan connection? [00:04] Wired lan. [00:04] My desktop does not have a wireless card. [00:05] Wow hold on I fixed it!!" [00:05] Starn: Yes? Details please? [00:06] i typed sudo modprobe b44 than i typed ifconfig by it self.. than noticed an ip address and looked down and i am connected. [00:07] so i guess your idea to reboot snowhog was right?? but i should've typed modprobe ? o.O [00:07] hey i'm down with having to type sudo modprobe b44 everytime i boot as long as nothing else breaks haha [00:08] starn_: That implies that the new kernel doesn't have the b44 support compiled into it. Just using sudo modprobe b44 doesn't make the action permanent. There is a command that loads an external module to the kernel permanently. [00:08] i think i had to do that in ubuntu 7.10 or w/e... [00:09] but this is a new machine and stuff.. [00:11] snowhog i just don't remember what it was.. heh... i am a super forgetful person.. like if i don't make a sticky note of what i did tooday i would be back in here tomorrow asking the same question. [00:14] :) [00:15] Daskreech: How does starn_ add the b44 so that the kernel loads it automatically when booted? [00:15] soo daskreech and snowhog.. i like the blingyness of kubuntu.. but is there away to tone it down a lot.. kinda makes music lag when i load chrome... [00:17] starn_: you can add the modprobe to /etc/init.d/boot.local I would guess [00:17] that gets run everytime you boot [00:17] starn_: probably can just turn off blur on the desktop effects === deusr_ is now known as deusr [00:20] sooo seeing how this is first time i've used kubuntu how would i edit this /etc/init.d/boot.local ?? [00:20] i do have konsole open already so skip that step :P [00:22] sudo nano /etc/init.d/boot.local [00:23] or you can press alt+F2 and type kdesudo kate /etc/init.d/boot.local [00:23] wha?? it's a new file.. [00:23] Hmm [00:23] starn_: You can edit /etc/modules (as root) and add to the end, b44 (ensure there is a blank line after it), save, and close. This should load the b44 module at boot time. [00:23] ok [00:23] Snowhog: that works as well :) [00:25] ok i think i got it.. [00:25] i'll be right back [ i hope] [00:29] uhh.. i still had to type it.... manually.. [00:30] starn: Do you have a broadcom file in /etc/modprob.d ? [00:32] umm what would the name of the file be snowhog?? [00:33] starn: blacklist-bc something. If 'no', then look in the blacklist.conf file and see if there is an entry for b44. If there is, comment the entry. [00:34] only thing close to what the netowrk card is blacklist-bcm43.. but my card is bcm4401 [00:35] no b44.. or bcm44 Snowhog [00:36] it is listed in blacklist-bcm43.conf [00:36] starn: It is listed in blacklist-bcm43.conf? Okay, edit that file (as root) and comment the b44 entry. [00:38] listed as blacklist b44 and under that is install wl modprobe -r b43 b44 b43legacy ssb; modprobe --ignore-install wl ; modprobe --ignore-install b44 [00:38] and snowhog by comment do you mean add # at the front of b44? [00:39] starn: Yes. [00:40] soo KDEsudo Kate /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-bcm43.conf ? [00:40] starn: yes. [00:41] starn: all lowercase letters. [00:42] so now when i reboot i should automatically be connected to the internet? [00:43] starn: That's the idea. [00:43] alright i'll test this out now.. than i gotta go to windows to play a game with my team haha [00:44] oh! one more question before i go.. is it bad to type sudo reboot in konsole? [00:44] starn: no more so than to click reboot from the GUI [00:44] does more or less the same thing [00:45] alright i kinda perfer to type it for it's kinda faster for me.. [00:45] Tells everyone running we are going down now pack your stuff then get out [00:45] starn: you can press alt=F2 and type restart [00:45] :) [00:45] alright brb and i'll let you and snow if it worked. haha.. [00:45] and daskreech my terminal is always open [00:45] it is faster then :) [00:50] it worked Snowhog and Daskreech thanks guys for helping me. one reason i love linux so much better support [00:50] Soooooo much better [00:50] :) [00:50] go frag some non penguins [00:50] now i need to figure out how to turn blur off see if it improves fps [00:51] and i am gonna play command and conquer 3 kanes wrath as node against my buddies haha they use tunngle which can not run on wine :\ [00:51] Any tweaks to speed up 11.10? I upgraded to 11.04 a couple of days ago and then to 11.10 yesterday. It seems to be much slower than 10.10. Any way to speed it up? [00:51] starn: blur. System Settings > Desktop Effects > Advanced and uncheck Blur. [00:52] starn: The issue with b44 might be resolved with a later kernel update. But at least now you know what to do it this happens again. Make a sticky note! :) [00:52] haha no joke! [00:53] 58-61 steady fps for desktop good? [00:53] starn: What's good, is what you feel comfortable with. [00:55] starn: On my Intel GPU, I get 60.377 FPS according to glxgears. Nothing to write home about, but I don't game, and all my used Desktop Effects are more than responsive. [00:57] starn: alt+F3 -> Desktop effects [00:57] yeah snowhog when on linux i normally don't game but recently leard a lot of games i play work fine on wine.. haha loading amarok droped to 40 than back to 61 than loaded chrome up after playing a song lowered it to 30 than back to 61.. so i guess it's fine now everything is running faster. after turning blur off. [00:58] daskreech which is better opengl or xrender? [00:58] Daskreech: Alt+F3 equal Desktop Effects? Not here. [00:59] starn: Blur effect on slower/lowlier GPUs slows things down ALOT. [01:00] when it says desktop effects can be toggled anytime using this shortcut alt+shift+f12 does that mean it turns the effects all of em on and off? [01:00] starn: depends on which is better :) [01:00] starn: yes [01:00] better is the one that works better. :) [01:00] If you want to play a game or somethign hit alt+shift+F12 [01:00] snowhog i have xfx geforce 8600 gt overclocked. with 512mb vram.. [01:00] When you are done hit it again to get back nice thigns like Ctrl+F9 [01:01] alright sounds like a better plan to me haha [01:04] Snowhog: alt+F3 is the windows menu. Desktop Effects is the first entry [01:05] alright thank you Snowhog and Daskreech for all the help. very appraicated.. [hope i spelled that right] [01:05] starn: Close enough!! [01:05] appreciated :) [01:05] starn: You're welcome [01:05] Any suggestions for speeding up Kubuntu 11.10? It's sloooooow. Takes about 75 seconds to open Dolphin. Other apps start equally slowly. Windows scroll is very jerky. [01:05] Thanks for the patience [01:05] RickKnight: What's your resources? [01:05] what's slowing it down? [01:05] RickKnight: Turn off Blur Desktop Effect. [01:05] welp gtg. probably talk to you guys later.. never know [01:06] later [01:06] can also turn off the slide animations [01:06] Dual core 3.4 Ghz 2GB ram [01:06] RickKnight: but with intel graphics? [01:06] maco: :) [01:07] No. nVidia 8600 series with 512 [01:07] * maco also wonders how old, as "dual core" can be anything in the last 5-6 years [01:07] (omg i feel old saying that) [01:08] Pentium D 3.40 GHz [01:08] oh hey nvidia.... are you using nvidia's binary drivers or the default nouveau ones? [01:09] Latest drivers from nVidia, unless the upgrade replaced them. How do I check [01:10] xorg.conf shows the "nvidia" driver not "nv". That may be the problem? [01:13] nv would be the open drivers. nvidia should be the ones from the site [01:16] hello [01:17] i updated my kubuntu, and now i've a problem with libkdeprint.so.4 [01:17] OK. GLXGears shows a frame rate of about 70. That seems real slow for nVidia. [01:18] When I'm working or just move the mouse it drops as low as 14! [01:18] Guess I'll try to reinstall the nVidia drivers. [01:42] my computer seems to hang for a min with a black screen before showing the boot splash [01:42] is this a grub issue? [01:45] barby: what's the problem? [01:45] hi Daskreech [01:45] HI [01:45] i need to install a software [01:45] but after upgrade [01:46] first software was installed yet [01:47] but if i open it, i receive a problem with libkdeprint.so.4 in output [01:47] (from commandline) [01:48] now, if I try to reinstall [01:48] error: The important program kde-config was not found! [01:48] :((( [01:48] can you help me??? [01:49] barby: what software are you trying to install? [01:49] mmm is a stupid software :P [01:50] claydoh: I think it was just an update of all the programs [01:50] Ah wait no it was a program :) [01:50] to embroidery [01:50] :P [01:50] barby: What's the name? [01:50] kxstitch [01:50] well, my taskbar icon bug has finally made it onto the KDE top ten most hated bugs list [01:50] hm ive used kxstitch [01:50] * maco tries [01:51] !it [01:51] Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie! (per entrare, scrivi « /join #ubuntu-it » senza virgolette) [01:51] !info kxstich [01:51] Package kxstich does not exist in oneiric [01:51] oh! [01:51] i guess it was removed because of it being a qt3 app? [01:51] Hmm I should mention this to valorie or annma they were looking for something like this [01:51] maco: likely [01:51] hmm not in natty either [01:51] wonderful maco :D [01:51] barby: Where did you get kxstitch from ? [01:52] Daskreech, form web [01:52] yep, rmadison confirms, maverick was the last version that had it [01:52] ok [01:52] i dont think its being maintained upstream anymore :-/ [01:52] !info kxstitch maverick [01:52] kxstitch (source: kxstitch): cross-stitch pattern creator and editor for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.3.1-1ubuntu3 (maverick), package size 482 kB, installed size 1464 kB [01:53] exactly [01:53] is my version [01:53] oh no sorry [01:53] OH OH [01:53] it got ported to kde4 [01:53] i've a 0.8.4.1 [01:54] the kde4 version hasnt had any releases yet though...packaging it would be a git snapshot :-/ [01:54] i dont think youll get the kde3 one working on a recent version of kubuntu though. you might have to build the kde4 version from source [01:55] or wait til i sort out how to package a snapshot from git [01:55] maco: what's the git repo? [01:55] http://kxstitch.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=kxstitch/kxstitch;a=summary [01:55] barby: are you using maverick ? [01:55] !maverick [01:55] Ubuntu 10.10 (Maverick Meerkat) was the thirteenth release of Ubuntu. Download http://releases.ubuntu.com/10.10/ - Release Info: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/1010 [01:56] barby: Kubuntu 10.10 ? [01:56] Daskreech, no i'm 11.10 [01:56] Daskreech: the version barby is using is downloaded from the kxstitch homepage [01:56] Ok Jsut checking which version barby is using [01:57] more thanks to all [02:00] Daskreech: ping [02:00] barby: could you try sudo apt-get -f install [02:00] Linkmaster: pong [02:01] That was fast xP care to continue where we left on to attempt and solve my internet crisis? [02:01] errrrm [02:02] Ok but ping me I"m working on something and may get lost in it [02:02] apt-get -f install kxstitch?? [02:02] i try [02:03] nothing [02:04] mmm but from git i can download ??? [02:06] barby: might be a lot of trouble. Have you ever compiled code from scratch? [02:07] sometimes [02:08] ok :) that might work then [02:08] maco: I can probably e-mail the maintainer and see when they expect to make a release [02:08] Bah never mind forgot Google locked my account [02:08] >_> [02:09] barby: what is the error that you are getting? [02:14] when i try the ./configure [02:14] configure: error: The important program kde-config was not found! [02:14] Please check whether you installed KDE correctly [02:14] sorry for output [02:14] Daskreech: I'm back, sorry about that, I had to deal with a personal matter [02:15] Sure Linkmaster. You still can't see the essid? is that only true at school? [02:17] Uhm..school's been the only place I can check(I live in a boarding school) [02:18] Bleah [02:18] Daskreech: I think I have a different wireless card I can pop into the computer though, just to see if its a borked card [02:20] Find a starbucks! [02:21] I can't, they don't let us leave the school(and its in the middle of bum-crud nowhere, there is *nothing* out here) [02:23] :-) [02:27] barby: hmm hold on === Linkmaster is now known as Guest89065 === Guest89065 is now known as Linkmaster [02:35] i'm here Daskreech === allquixotic_ is now known as allquixotic [02:36] Linkmaster: still here? [02:36] maco: is there a packaged kde-config ? [02:37] Daskreech: kind of, internet is spotty like usual [02:38] Daskreech: there are many packages that start out kde-config-* [02:38] i suspect some -dev package is whats actually needed [02:40] Help. X won't start. I ran sudo aptitude reinstall nvidia-current. system said nvidia-current wasn't installed. Also, prior to that I removed Akonadi. Now I can't start X! [02:40] Yes but I don't see kde-config in the git [02:41] barby: This is from the git master ? [02:41] This is on a freshly upgraded to 11.10 system. [02:41] RickKnight: can you login on the command line? [02:42] barby: I'm looking for a ./configure and all I see is a build.sh [02:43] Daskreech: cmake, not autotools [02:43] cmake is how most kde stuff builds [02:43] Daskreech: I tried out that other card..I don't think its a wireless card, since my computer didn't even register it [02:43] Yep that's in the build.sh [02:43] Oh :-/ [02:43] ok [02:44] This is the OPenSuse laptop? [02:44] Daskreech: Yes, I can login to the cammand line. [02:44] barby: try "mkdir build ; cd build ; cmake .." ? [02:44] or is that how youre doing it? [02:44] RickKnight: type X [02:44] just the capital letter X [02:44] tell me if that works [02:44] Daskreech I'm using the openSUSE, my kubuntu is the one being the total pain [02:45] Daskreech: When I do that I get a black screen. [02:45] Linkmaster: Right just wanted to know if you have a command line there? can you run iwlist on that machine? [02:45] RickKnight: Ok so X works [02:45] RickKnight: do you know how to get back to the virtual terminal ? [02:46] Uhm...command line is sketchy, let me try [02:46] Daskreech: F6? [02:46] CTRL-ALT F6 [02:46] so [02:46] RickKnight: if that's where you logged in sure [02:46] Daskreech: nope, no command line. I tried 'iwlist' and it states that the command is not found [02:48] Daskreech: When I do that I get a blank screen with a blinking cursor in the upper left. No text or prompt and the system seems locked. [02:48] i don't understand sorry [02:48] what i must download? [02:49] Linkmaster: you may have to type /sbin/iwlist :) [02:50] no such file/directory [02:50] Daskreech: No errors in Xorg.0.log either. [02:50] RickKnight: try alt+ctrl+F1 [02:50] Linkmaster: fair enough. does /sbin/ifconfig work ? [02:52] Daskreech: yes. but we have a different problem now...my computer won't allow me to allow wirelss through knetworkmanager. I'm going to attempt to bring up my wireless real fast, but its being....a pain. it sees the card, but won't let me activate it [02:52] Daskreech: That also gets me to a command prompt, X is still running. [02:52] RickKnight: press Ctrl+C [02:52] should kill X [02:52] Linkmaster: ok [02:53] hi seshagiri [02:53] barby: Looking for a easy tarball for you [02:53] Daskreech: hey Brother [02:53] Daskreech: In KDM I have just two choices. Default and Failsafe, neither works. I no longer have the KDesktop option. [02:54] RickKnight: default doesn't work? [02:55] Daskreech: No. And CTRL+C doesn't kill X. I need to boot into maint mode. [02:56] Daskreech: I think removing Akonadi messed up my Kdesktop install. [02:56] RickKnight: Most likely [02:56] Daskreech: I uhm....don't know what to do o: [02:56] Daskreech: I uhm....don't know what to do o: [02:56] RickKnight: before you reboot try this. sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop [02:56] seshagiri: Hey [02:56] sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop [02:56] Daskreech: Neither do I! [02:56] from tty1 [02:58] Daskreech: I tried 'ifconfig eth1 up', but that isn't bringing it up.. [02:58] RickKnight: get to a virtual terminal and type sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop && sudo init 6 [02:59] Linkmaster: what does sudo ifconfig -a give you ? [02:59] * colstrom waves to the room, and anyone alive. [02:59] Daskreech: OK. I'll try that. [03:00] Daskreech: that shows eth1, and it says that its working(UP broadcast, multicast) but knetworkmanager shows the 'enable wireless' checkbox as greyed out [03:00] barby: can you type sudo apt-get install git && mkdir ~/kxstitch && cd ~/kxstitch && git clone git://kxstitch.git.sourceforge.net/gitroot/kxstitch/kxstitch [03:01] ok [03:01] more thanks Daskreech [03:01] Daskreech: Another issue I have with the upgrade is now /etc/resolv.conf is being written as a blank file. I have to manually enter my nameserver after each reboot. [03:01] colstrom: that's about 7 billion people that's very inclusive of you :) [03:01] Linkmaster: Ah ok [03:01] RickKnight: sounds like a network manager issue [03:02] Daskreech: I can see that a lot of the things that were removed with akonadi are being reinstalled with kdesktop. [03:03] Daskreech: any idea what the hell is wrong with my computer? Should I just install 11.10 on it? [03:05] Linkmaster: can you run apt-cache policy kdenetwork and tell me what version it has installed [03:05] RickKnight: correct [03:06] maco: is there a one shot package for cmake and kde build dependencies ? [03:07] Linkmaster: No no idea. could be 1/2 a dozen things but I'm guessing that it may be a hidden essid issue. [03:07] Daskreech: it says none....? [03:07] Linkmaster: Ah that might be a problem [03:07] well, my card won't even work right now, so thats my more pressing issue. I might just reinstall it [03:07] Daskreech: That worked! My desktop is loading now and KDM has the Kdesktop choices. Thanks for your help. [03:08] RickKnight: you are welcome. You should get back /etc/resolv.conf as well I thin [03:09] Daskreech: And my frame rate is up at over 3000 now. More better. I'll reboot a couple of times to make sure resolv.conf works. At least manually setting it is trivial. [03:10] Daskreech: if kxstitch was still in the repo "apt-get build-dep kxstitch" wouldve helped, but no... :-/ [03:10] Daskreech: Well, I wouldn't want anyone to feel left out. That's hardly a way to make a good impression. [03:10] Daskreech: kdelibs4-dev is probably needed, and cmake's package is just cmake [03:11] RickKnight: You could always set it once, and mark it immutable. [03:11] RickKnight: sudo chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf [03:11] Then it couldn't be overwritten. [03:12] Related, though not relevant, I'm not sure philosophically how "immutable" that truly is, since the flag can be unset later, which seems to suggest... mutability. [03:13] colstrom: Thanks, I'll do that. It's still not working right. [03:13] sounds like I need to some research anyway, but I'll try this for now. [03:14] Just remember, if you want to edit it ever, you'll need to remove the flag. [03:14] it works Daskreech [03:14] I've forgotten I set that more than once. [03:14] : [03:14] :D [03:16] colstrom: :-) [03:18] So... new to Kmail, long time Claws user... figured I'd give it a spin. I skipped the wizard when I accidentally launched Kontact before my wifi card was configured.... how do I get back to that? [03:19] Poking around in the menus, hoping to find a big obvious "Run Setup Wizard" button. Not seeing one. [03:20] barby: Hope it works otu well for you :) [03:21] out [03:24] more thanks Daskreech [03:26] barby: if it works well then please e-mail the developer and let him know. He will appreciate it [03:27] sure [03:27] :D [03:34] dome :) [03:34] done* [03:36] :) [03:47] Guys, whenever I try and install software through the software center I get an auth error. Software Updates just popped up and I clicked install and I got the error too 'This operation canot continue since proper authorization was not provided' [03:47] Are you in the /etc/sudoers file? [03:49] No, should I be? [03:53] TheHganavak: No. But you do have to be a member of the admin group. [03:54] Why wouldn't it be prompting me for permission...? [03:54] Daskreech: there is something seriously f'ed up with kubuntu oneiric and audio [03:54] I've only been using Kubuntu a day, installed kde-desktop over Ubuntu [03:55] Daskreech: would you believe that on about my 3rd reboot, my audio is hosed again? [03:55] TheHganavak: It should. Have you by chance ever launched a graphical application using sudo?? [03:55] if it's poorly-supported hardware...yes [03:55] * maco has gotten close enough to audio hardware to be surprised that it works at all [03:55] You gonna recommend I sudo run it Snowhog? [03:55] maco: DSP engineer? [03:56] maco: what hardware were you referring to? [03:56] Daskreech: no, i was dtchen/crimsun's flatmate a few years back [03:56] TheHganavak: NO! But if you had done so in the past, in this release, you can muck up your user account. [03:56] maco: Lol yeah that's close enough [03:56] Uh, I probably have done in Ubuntu at some point [03:57] TheHganavak: on the command line type groups [03:57] jmichaelx: hardware manufacturers are made of pain and suffering, lets go with that :P [03:57] do you see admin in the list ? [03:57] maco: no one needs to do any convincing with me on that [03:57] lol [03:58] "i found a model that works!" *manufacturer changes internal component but not model number* "wait this is the same model and doesnt work. maybe its a different revision at least? no? FAIL" [03:58] maco: boy does that song get repeated a lot [03:58] Daskreech: sam adm dialout cdrom plugdev lpadmin admin sambashare [03:59] i am not going to be able to use kubuntu oneiric on this machine [03:59] did natty work? [03:59] (the way things appear right now, at least) [03:59] and does "sudo alsa force-reload" do any good? [03:59] (i osmosis'd a little bit of audio debugging from crimsun :P) [04:00] TheHganavak: ok it should ask you for permission then [04:00] Daskreech: It should, it doesn't.. I'm updating through konsole atm and hoping there's some fix I'm missing [04:01] maco: yes, i believe lucid was the first kubuntu iteration i had installed on this nettop, and have dist-upgraded twice... had no audio trouble in lucid, a few small issues in natty, major issues in oneiric [04:01] Daskreech: Restarting [04:01] TheHganavak: Make sure you are in your user /home directory, then type: ls -lR | grep root You should not get any results. If you do, what file(s) are identified as owned by root? [04:02] maco: i am not sure how much good force-reload does, without me first changing some configs.... but you probably know better than me [04:04] in an environment as convoluted as kubuntu, what exactly decides what your default audio device is? alsa? pulse? phonon? and i would not have expected that the settings i entered and saved would get constantly overridden, but that is what is happening [04:05] jmichaelx: pulseaudio if it loads in fast enough [04:05] i also think that it would be only logical to NEVER mac a darned microphone the default audio device, which this system is doing nearly every time i reboot [04:06] Daskreech: i thought pulse would let the user decide? [04:07] Daskreech: in other words, pulseaudio should respect the user's settings, shouldn't it? [04:07] jmichaelx: was thinking if something wedged it, force-reload would kill whatever was grabbing the lock [04:08] jmichaelx: I could make snarky remarks about it being done by a GNOME designer here but yes [04:08] lol [04:08] if you install pavucontrol you can pick which device pulse uses [04:08] i usually go with telling phonon to use pulse then adjusting pulse to send whatever streams to whatever outputs i want [04:08] maco: bu sadly, pavu will not work (nor will phonon) is pulse has made a microphone the default audio device [04:09] but* [04:09] if* [04:09] thatd be rather *headdesk* [04:09] and pule is INSISTING on making a device that it clearly identifies as a microphone the default audio device [04:10] i have seen several others inthis channel complaining about their audio setting being overridden upon every reboot. that just should not happen [04:15] pulse is supposed to save its state in a cookie [04:20] maco: Daskreech spent something like an hour helping me iron this out a few days ago... and it worked for 2 reboots, and now has reverted back [04:20] people in #pulseaudio are saying they believe this is something that kde is doing [04:21] jmichaelx: You could ask in #kde-multimedia They might be better informed === Ukikie is now known as Unit193 [04:21] there are people there who cross over both chans so they would be a little better placed to say [04:21] I would suggest coling as a good source [04:21] Daskreech: my experience is that kde irc channels tend to be fairly unhelpful [04:22] jmichaelx: well apachelogger is there so that makes it instantly cooler :) [04:23] Daskreech: i could well be wrong, but my hunch is that this is dues to k/ubuntu messing up somewhere [04:24] Could be but between those two people you are looking at some of the best developers in pulseaudio, phonon and kubuntu so again I think you will be pretty well covered [04:24] It's just going to be super quiet at this point in the night [04:35] i think thid system is sound now...more or less [04:35] this [04:36] i just unplugged the webcam (and hence the offending microphone), did an alsa force-reload, and audio is working [04:37] ooh i wonder if the webcam is being initialized BEFORE the internal [04:39] This house is now clean [04:40] maco: Still doesn't quite explain why a input device is given the sound output default [04:40] maco: sure seems so [04:41] Daskreech: technically many ports (on the board) are both-ways and the driver determines which it does [04:41] i am being told that running alsa force-reload should be avoided altogether [04:42] its a very large hammer, this is true [04:42] it kills everything thats using sound then unloads and reloads the driver [04:42] like a mini reboot [04:42] but not quite so clean [04:43] i used to have to do it a LOT til i patched my sound driver to keep-freaking-working after a resume from suspend [04:43] It's an expensive operation and not really a good idea while other stuff is running [04:43] Ah suspend [04:43] maco: yes, i am being told to just say no to force-reload, but am unsure what actually should be done [04:43] the evil black cat of Linux currently [04:44] Daskreech: this was in '08 actually [04:44]