[00:00] <Starn> Can't wait till I get the ATRIX laptop dock maybe irc will be easier haha
[00:02] <Starn> Kubuntu is loading. Its almost done
[00:02] <Starn> No internet.
[00:03] <Starn> Snowhog it also no longer shows eth0 in ifconfig -a
[00:04] <Snowhog> Starn: Okay, then it is an issue with the network interface and the newer kernel. We are talking about the wireless connection, yes? Or the wired lan connection?
[00:04] <Starn> Wired lan.
[00:04] <Starn> My desktop does not have a wireless card.
[00:05] <Starn> Wow hold on I fixed it!!"
[00:05] <Snowhog> Starn: Yes? Details please?
[00:06] <starn_> i typed sudo modprobe b44 than i typed ifconfig by it self.. than noticed an ip address and looked down and i am connected.
[00:07] <starn_> so i guess your idea to reboot snowhog was right?? but i should've typed modprobe ? o.O
[00:07] <starn_> hey i'm down with having to type sudo modprobe b44 everytime i boot as long as nothing else breaks haha
[00:08] <Snowhog> starn_: That implies that the new kernel doesn't have the b44 support compiled into it. Just using sudo modprobe b44 doesn't make the action permanent. There is a command that loads an external module to the kernel permanently.
[00:08] <starn_> i think i had to do that in ubuntu 7.10 or w/e...
[00:09] <starn_> but this is a new machine and stuff..
[00:11] <starn_> snowhog i just don't remember what it was.. heh... i am a super forgetful person.. like if i don't make a sticky note of what i did tooday i would be back in here tomorrow asking the same question.
[00:14] <Daskreech> :)
[00:15] <Snowhog> Daskreech: How does starn_ add the b44 so that the kernel loads it automatically when booted?
[00:15] <starn_> soo daskreech and snowhog.. i like the blingyness of kubuntu.. but is there away to tone it down a lot.. kinda makes music lag when i load chrome...
[00:17] <Daskreech> starn_: you can add the modprobe to /etc/init.d/boot.local I would guess
[00:17] <Daskreech> that gets run everytime you boot
[00:17] <Daskreech> starn_: probably can just turn off blur on the desktop effects
[00:20] <starn_> sooo seeing how this is first time i've used kubuntu how would i edit this /etc/init.d/boot.local ??
[00:20] <starn_> i do have konsole open already so skip that step :P
[00:22] <Daskreech> sudo nano /etc/init.d/boot.local
[00:23] <Daskreech> or you can press alt+F2 and type kdesudo kate /etc/init.d/boot.local
[00:23] <starn_> wha?? it's a new file..
[00:23] <Daskreech> Hmm
[00:23] <Snowhog> starn_: You can edit /etc/modules (as root) and add to the end, b44 (ensure there is a blank line after it), save, and close. This should load the b44 module at boot time.
[00:23] <Daskreech> ok
[00:23] <Daskreech> Snowhog: that works as well :)
[00:25] <starn_> ok i think i got it..
[00:25] <starn_> i'll be right back [ i hope]
[00:29] <starn> uhh.. i still had to type it.... manually..
[00:30] <Snowhog> starn: Do you have a broadcom file in /etc/modprob.d ?
[00:32] <starn> umm what would the name of the file be snowhog??
[00:33] <Snowhog> starn: blacklist-bc something. If 'no', then look in the blacklist.conf file and see if there is an entry for b44. If there is, comment the entry.
[00:34] <starn> only thing close to what the netowrk card is blacklist-bcm43.. but my card is bcm4401
[00:35] <starn> no b44.. or bcm44 Snowhog
[00:36] <starn> it is listed in blacklist-bcm43.conf
[00:36] <Snowhog> starn: It is listed in blacklist-bcm43.conf? Okay, edit that file (as root) and comment the b44 entry.
[00:38] <starn> listed as blacklist b44 and under that is install wl modprobe -r b43 b44 b43legacy ssb; modprobe --ignore-install wl ; modprobe --ignore-install b44
[00:38] <starn> and snowhog by comment do you mean add # at the front of b44?
[00:39] <Snowhog> starn: Yes.
[00:40] <starn> soo KDEsudo Kate /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-bcm43.conf  ?
[00:40] <Snowhog> starn: yes.
[00:41] <Snowhog> starn: all lowercase letters.
[00:42] <starn> so now when i reboot i should automatically be connected to the internet?
[00:43] <Snowhog> starn: That's the idea.
[00:43] <starn> alright i'll test this out now.. than i gotta go to windows to play a game with my team haha
[00:44] <starn> oh! one more question before i go.. is it bad to type sudo reboot in konsole?
[00:44] <Daskreech> starn: no more so than to click reboot from the GUI
[00:44] <Daskreech>  does more or less the same thing
[00:45] <starn> alright i kinda perfer to type it for it's kinda faster for me..
[00:45] <Daskreech> Tells everyone running we are going down now pack your stuff then get out
[00:45] <Daskreech> starn: you can press alt=F2 and type restart
[00:45] <Daskreech> :)
[00:45] <starn> alright brb and i'll let you and snow if it worked. haha..
[00:45] <starn> and daskreech my terminal is always open
[00:45] <Daskreech> it is faster then :)
[00:50] <starn> it worked Snowhog and Daskreech thanks guys for helping me. one reason i love linux so much better support
[00:50] <Daskreech> Soooooo much better
[00:50] <Daskreech>  :)
[00:50] <Daskreech>  go frag some non penguins
[00:50] <starn> now i need to figure out how to turn blur off see if it improves fps
[00:51] <starn> and i am gonna play command and conquer 3 kanes wrath as node against my buddies haha they use tunngle which can not run on wine :\
[00:51] <RickKnight> Any tweaks to speed up 11.10? I upgraded to 11.04 a couple of days ago and then to 11.10 yesterday. It seems to be much slower than 10.10. Any way to speed it up?
[00:51] <Snowhog> starn: blur. System Settings > Desktop Effects > Advanced and uncheck Blur.
[00:52] <Snowhog> starn: The issue with b44 might be resolved with a later kernel update. But at least now you know what to do it this happens again. Make a sticky note! :)
[00:52] <starn> haha no joke!
[00:53] <starn> 58-61 steady fps for desktop good?
[00:53] <Snowhog> starn: What's good, is what you feel comfortable with.
[00:55] <Snowhog> starn: On my Intel GPU, I get 60.377 FPS according to glxgears. Nothing to write home about, but I don't game, and all my used Desktop Effects are more than responsive.
[00:57] <Daskreech> starn: alt+F3 -> Desktop effects
[00:57] <starn> yeah snowhog when on linux i normally don't game but recently leard a lot of games i play work fine on wine.. haha loading amarok droped to 40 than back to 61 than loaded chrome up after playing a song lowered it to 30 than back to 61.. so i guess it's fine now everything is running faster. after turning blur off.
[00:58] <starn> daskreech which is better opengl or xrender?
[00:58] <Snowhog> Daskreech: Alt+F3 equal Desktop Effects? Not here.
[00:59] <Snowhog> starn: Blur effect on slower/lowlier GPUs slows things down ALOT.
[01:00] <starn> when it says desktop effects can be toggled anytime using this shortcut alt+shift+f12 does that mean it turns the effects all of em on and off?
[01:00] <Daskreech> starn: depends on which is better :)
[01:00] <Daskreech> starn: yes
[01:00] <Snowhog> better is the one that works better. :)
[01:00] <Daskreech> If you want to play a game or somethign hit alt+shift+F12
[01:00] <starn> snowhog i have xfx geforce 8600 gt overclocked. with 512mb vram..
[01:00] <Daskreech> When you are done hit it again to get back nice thigns like Ctrl+F9
[01:01] <starn> alright sounds like a better plan to me haha
[01:04] <Daskreech> Snowhog: alt+F3 is the windows menu. Desktop Effects is the first entry
[01:05] <starn> alright thank you Snowhog and Daskreech for all the help. very appraicated.. [hope i spelled that right]
[01:05] <Daskreech> starn: Close enough!!
[01:05] <Daskreech> appreciated :)
[01:05] <Snowhog> starn: You're welcome
[01:05] <RickKnight> Any suggestions for speeding up Kubuntu 11.10? It's sloooooow. Takes about 75 seconds to open Dolphin. Other apps start equally slowly. Windows scroll is very jerky.
[01:05] <Daskreech> Thanks for the patience
[01:05] <Daskreech> RickKnight: What's your resources?
[01:05] <Daskreech> what's slowing it down?
[01:05] <Snowhog> RickKnight: Turn off Blur Desktop Effect.
[01:05] <starn> welp gtg. probably talk to you guys later.. never know
[01:06] <Daskreech> later
[01:06] <maco> can also turn off the slide animations
[01:06] <RickKnight> Dual core 3.4 Ghz 2GB ram
[01:06] <maco> RickKnight: but with intel graphics?
[01:06] <Daskreech> maco: :)
[01:07] <RickKnight> No. nVidia 8600 series with 512
[01:07]  * maco also wonders how old, as "dual core" can be anything in the last 5-6 years
[01:07] <maco> (omg i feel old saying that)
[01:08] <RickKnight> Pentium D 3.40 GHz
[01:08] <maco> oh hey nvidia.... are you using nvidia's binary drivers or the default nouveau ones?
[01:09] <RickKnight> Latest drivers from nVidia, unless the upgrade replaced them. How do I check
[01:10] <RickKnight> xorg.conf shows the "nvidia" driver not "nv". That may be the problem?
[01:13] <Daskreech> nv would be the open drivers. nvidia should be the ones from the site
[01:16] <barby> hello
[01:17] <barby> i updated my kubuntu, and now i've a problem with libkdeprint.so.4
[01:17] <RickKnight> OK. GLXGears shows a frame rate of about 70. That seems real slow for nVidia.
[01:18] <RickKnight> When I'm working or just move the mouse it drops as low as 14!
[01:18] <RickKnight> Guess I'll try to reinstall the nVidia drivers.
[01:42] <NJL> my computer seems to hang for a min with a black screen before showing the boot splash
[01:42] <NJL> is this a grub issue?
[01:45] <Daskreech> barby: what's the problem?
[01:45] <barby> hi Daskreech
[01:45] <Daskreech> HI
[01:45] <barby> i need to install a software
[01:45] <barby> but after upgrade
[01:46] <barby> first software was installed yet
[01:47] <barby> but if i open it, i receive  a problem with  libkdeprint.so.4 in output
[01:47] <barby> (from commandline)
[01:48] <barby> now, if I try to reinstall
[01:48] <barby>  error: The important program kde-config was not found!
[01:48] <barby> :(((
[01:48] <barby> can you help me???
[01:49] <claydoh> barby: what software are you trying to install?
[01:49] <barby> mmm is a stupid software :P
[01:50] <Daskreech> claydoh: I think it was just an update of all  the programs
[01:50] <Daskreech> Ah wait no it was a program :)
[01:50] <barby> to embroidery
[01:50] <barby> :P
[01:50] <Daskreech> barby: What's the name?
[01:50] <barby> kxstitch
[01:50] <jmichaelx> well, my taskbar icon bug has finally made it onto the KDE top ten most hated bugs list
[01:50] <maco> hm ive used kxstitch
[01:50]  * maco tries
[01:51] <Daskreech> !it
[01:51] <Daskreech> !info kxstich
[01:51] <maco> oh!
[01:51] <maco> i guess it was removed because of it being a qt3 app?
[01:51] <Daskreech> Hmm I should mention this to valorie or annma they were looking for something like this
[01:51] <Daskreech> maco: likely
[01:51] <maco> hmm not in natty either
[01:51] <barby> wonderful maco :D
[01:51] <Daskreech> barby: Where did you get kxstitch from ?
[01:52] <barby> Daskreech, form web
[01:52] <maco> yep, rmadison confirms, maverick was the last version that had it
[01:52] <Daskreech> ok
[01:52] <maco> i dont think its being maintained upstream anymore :-/
[01:52] <Daskreech> !info kxstitch maverick
[01:53] <barby> exactly
[01:53] <barby> is my version
[01:53] <barby> oh no sorry
[01:53] <maco> OH OH
[01:53] <maco> it got ported to kde4
[01:53] <barby> i've a 0.8.4.1
[01:54] <maco> the kde4 version hasnt had any releases yet though...packaging it would be a git snapshot :-/
[01:54] <maco> i dont think youll get the kde3 one working on a recent version of kubuntu though. you might have to build the kde4 version from source
[01:55] <maco> or wait til i sort out how to package a snapshot from git
[01:55] <Daskreech> maco: what's the git repo?
[01:55] <maco> http://kxstitch.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=kxstitch/kxstitch;a=summary
[01:55] <Daskreech> barby: are you using maverick ?
[01:55] <Daskreech> !maverick
[01:56] <Daskreech> barby: Kubuntu 10.10 ?
[01:56] <barby> Daskreech, no i'm 11.10
[01:56] <maco> Daskreech: the version barby is using is downloaded from the kxstitch homepage
[01:56] <Daskreech> Ok Jsut checking which version barby is using
[01:57] <barby> more thanks to all
[02:00] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: ping
[02:00] <Daskreech> barby: could you try sudo apt-get -f install
[02:00] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: pong
[02:01] <Linkmaster> That was fast xP care to continue where we left on to attempt and solve my internet crisis?
[02:01] <Daskreech> errrrm
[02:02] <Daskreech> Ok but ping me I"m working on something and may get lost in it
[02:02] <barby> apt-get -f install kxstitch??
[02:02] <barby> i try
[02:03] <barby> nothing
[02:04] <barby> mmm but from git i can download ???
[02:06] <Daskreech> barby: might be a lot of trouble. Have you ever compiled code from scratch?
[02:07] <barby> sometimes
[02:08] <Daskreech> ok :) that might work then
[02:08] <Daskreech> maco: I can probably e-mail the maintainer and see when they expect to make a release
[02:08] <Daskreech> Bah never mind forgot Google locked my account
[02:08] <Daskreech> >_>
[02:09] <Daskreech> barby: what is the error that you are getting?
[02:14] <barby> when i try the ./configure
[02:14] <barby> configure: error: The important program kde-config was not found!
[02:14] <barby> Please check whether you installed KDE correctly
[02:14] <barby> sorry for output
[02:14] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: I'm back, sorry about that, I had to deal with a personal matter
[02:15] <Daskreech> Sure Linkmaster. You still can't see the essid? is that only true at school?
[02:17] <Linkmaster> Uhm..school's been the only place I can check(I live in a boarding school)
[02:18] <Daskreech> Bleah
[02:18] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: I think I have a different wireless card I can pop into the computer though, just to see if its a borked card
[02:20] <Daskreech> Find a starbucks!
[02:21] <Linkmaster> I can't, they don't let us leave the school(and its in the middle of bum-crud nowhere, there is *nothing* out here)
[02:23] <Daskreech> :-)
[02:27] <Daskreech> barby: hmm hold on
[02:35] <barby> i'm here Daskreech
[02:36] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: still here?
[02:36] <Daskreech> maco: is there a packaged kde-config ?
[02:37] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: kind of, internet is spotty like usual
[02:38] <maco> Daskreech: there are many packages that start out kde-config-*
[02:38] <maco> i suspect some -dev package is whats actually needed
[02:40] <RickKnight> Help. X won't start. I ran sudo aptitude reinstall nvidia-current. system said nvidia-current wasn't installed. Also, prior to that I removed Akonadi. Now I can't start X!
[02:40] <Daskreech> Yes but I don't see kde-config in the git
[02:41] <Daskreech> barby: This is from the git master ?
[02:41] <RickKnight> This is on a freshly upgraded to 11.10 system.
[02:41] <Daskreech> RickKnight: can you login on the command line?
[02:42] <Daskreech> barby: I'm looking for a ./configure and all I see is a build.sh
[02:43] <maco> Daskreech: cmake, not autotools
[02:43] <maco> cmake is how most kde stuff builds
[02:43] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: I tried out that other card..I don't think its a wireless card, since my computer didn't even register it
[02:43] <Daskreech> Yep that's in the build.sh
[02:43] <Daskreech> Oh :-/
[02:43] <Daskreech> ok
[02:44] <Daskreech> This is the OPenSuse laptop?
[02:44] <RickKnight> Daskreech: Yes, I can login to the cammand line.
[02:44] <maco> barby: try  "mkdir build ; cd build ; cmake .." ?
[02:44] <maco> or is that how youre doing it?
[02:44] <Daskreech> RickKnight: type X
[02:44] <Daskreech> just the capital letter X
[02:44] <Daskreech> tell me if that works
[02:44] <Linkmaster> Daskreech I'm using the openSUSE, my kubuntu is the one being the total pain
[02:45] <RickKnight> Daskreech: When I do that I get a black screen.
[02:45] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: Right just wanted to know if you have a command line there? can you run iwlist on that machine?
[02:45] <Daskreech> RickKnight: Ok so X works
[02:45] <Daskreech> RickKnight: do you know how to get back to the virtual terminal ?
[02:46] <Linkmaster> Uhm...command line is sketchy, let me try
[02:46] <RickKnight> Daskreech: F6?
[02:46] <RickKnight> CTRL-ALT F6
[02:46] <barby> so
[02:46] <Daskreech> RickKnight: if that's where you logged in sure
[02:46] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: nope, no command line. I tried 'iwlist' and it states that the command is not found
[02:48] <RickKnight> Daskreech: When I do that I get a blank screen with a blinking cursor in the upper left. No text or prompt and the system seems locked.
[02:48] <barby> i don't understand sorry
[02:48] <barby> what i must download?
[02:49] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: you may have to type /sbin/iwlist  :)
[02:50] <Linkmaster> no such file/directory
[02:50] <RickKnight> Daskreech: No errors in Xorg.0.log either.
[02:50] <Daskreech> RickKnight: try alt+ctrl+F1
[02:50] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: fair enough. does /sbin/ifconfig work ?
[02:52] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: yes. but we have a different problem now...my computer won't allow me to allow wirelss through knetworkmanager. I'm going to attempt to bring up my wireless real fast, but its being....a pain. it sees the card, but won't let me activate it
[02:52] <RickKnight> Daskreech: That also gets me to a command prompt, X is still running.
[02:52] <Daskreech> RickKnight: press Ctrl+C
[02:52] <Daskreech>  should kill X
[02:52] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: ok
[02:53] <Daskreech> hi seshagiri
[02:53] <Daskreech> barby: Looking for a easy tarball for you
[02:53] <seshagiri> Daskreech: hey Brother
[02:53] <RickKnight> Daskreech: In KDM I have just two choices. Default and Failsafe, neither works. I no longer have the KDesktop option.
[02:54] <Daskreech> RickKnight: default doesn't work?
[02:55] <RickKnight> Daskreech: No. And CTRL+C doesn't kill X. I need to boot into maint mode.
[02:56] <RickKnight> Daskreech: I think removing Akonadi messed up my Kdesktop install.
[02:56] <Daskreech> RickKnight: Most likely
[02:56] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: I uhm....don't know what to do o:
[02:56] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: I uhm....don't know what to do o:
[02:56] <Daskreech> RickKnight: before you reboot try this. sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[02:56] <Daskreech> seshagiri: Hey
[02:56] <seshagiri> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[02:56] <RickKnight> Daskreech: Neither do I!
[02:56] <seshagiri> from tty1
[02:58] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: I tried 'ifconfig eth1 up', but that isn't bringing it up..
[02:58] <Daskreech> RickKnight: get to a virtual terminal and type sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop && sudo init 6
[02:59] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: what does sudo ifconfig -a give you ?
[02:59]  * colstrom waves to the room, and anyone alive.
[02:59] <RickKnight> Daskreech: OK. I'll try that.
[03:00] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: that shows eth1, and it says that its working(UP broadcast, multicast) but knetworkmanager shows the 'enable wireless' checkbox as greyed out
[03:00] <Daskreech> barby: can you type sudo apt-get install git && mkdir ~/kxstitch && cd ~/kxstitch && git clone git://kxstitch.git.sourceforge.net/gitroot/kxstitch/kxstitch
[03:01] <barby> ok
[03:01] <barby> more thanks Daskreech
[03:01] <RickKnight> Daskreech: Another issue I have with the upgrade is now /etc/resolv.conf is being written as a blank file. I have to manually enter my nameserver after each reboot.
[03:01] <Daskreech> colstrom: that's about 7 billion people that's very inclusive of you :)
[03:01] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: Ah ok
[03:01] <Daskreech> RickKnight: sounds like a network manager issue
[03:02] <RickKnight> Daskreech: I can see that a lot of the things that were removed with akonadi are being reinstalled with kdesktop.
[03:03] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: any idea what the hell is wrong with my computer? Should I just install 11.10 on it?
[03:05] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: can you run apt-cache policy kdenetwork and tell me what version it has installed
[03:05] <Daskreech> RickKnight: correct
[03:06] <Daskreech> maco: is there a one shot package for cmake and kde build dependencies ?
[03:07] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: No no idea. could be 1/2 a dozen things but I'm guessing that it may be a hidden essid issue.
[03:07] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: it says none....?
[03:07] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: Ah that might be a problem
[03:07] <Linkmaster> well, my card won't even work right now, so thats my more pressing issue. I might just reinstall it
[03:07] <RickKnight> Daskreech: That worked! My desktop is loading now and KDM has the Kdesktop choices. Thanks for your help.
[03:08] <Daskreech> RickKnight: you are welcome. You should get back /etc/resolv.conf as well I thin
[03:09] <RickKnight> Daskreech: And my frame rate is up at over 3000 now. More better. I'll reboot a couple of times to make sure resolv.conf works. At least manually setting it is trivial.
[03:10] <maco> Daskreech: if kxstitch was still in the repo "apt-get build-dep kxstitch" wouldve helped, but no... :-/
[03:10] <colstrom> Daskreech: Well, I wouldn't want anyone to feel left out. That's hardly a way to make a good impression.
[03:10] <maco> Daskreech: kdelibs4-dev is probably needed, and cmake's package is just cmake
[03:11] <colstrom> RickKnight: You could always set it once, and mark it immutable.
[03:11] <colstrom> RickKnight: sudo chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf
[03:11] <colstrom> Then it couldn't be overwritten.
[03:12] <colstrom> Related, though not relevant, I'm not sure philosophically how "immutable" that truly is, since the flag can be unset later, which seems to suggest... mutability.
[03:13] <RickKnight> colstrom: Thanks, I'll do that. It's still not working right.
[03:13] <RickKnight> sounds like I need to some research anyway, but I'll try this for now.
[03:14] <colstrom> Just remember, if you want to edit it ever, you'll need to remove the flag.
[03:14] <barby> it works Daskreech
[03:14] <colstrom> I've forgotten I set that more than once.
[03:14] <barby> :
[03:14] <barby> :D
[03:16] <Daskreech> colstrom: :-)
[03:18] <colstrom> So... new to Kmail, long time Claws user... figured I'd give it a spin. I skipped the wizard when I accidentally launched Kontact before my wifi card was configured.... how do I get back to that?
[03:19] <colstrom> Poking around in the menus, hoping to find a big obvious "Run Setup Wizard" button. Not seeing one.
[03:20] <Daskreech> barby: Hope it works otu well for you :)
[03:21] <Daskreech> out
[03:24] <barby> more thanks Daskreech
[03:26] <Daskreech> barby: if it works well then please e-mail the developer and let him know. He will appreciate it
[03:27] <barby> sure
[03:27] <barby> :D
[03:34] <barby> dome :)
[03:34] <barby> done*
[03:36] <Daskreech> :)
[03:47] <TheHganavak> Guys, whenever I try and install software through the software center I get an auth error. Software Updates just popped up and I clicked install and I got the error too 'This operation canot continue since proper authorization was not provided'
[03:47] <colstrom> Are you in the /etc/sudoers file?
[03:49] <TheHganavak> No, should I be?
[03:53] <Snowhog> TheHganavak: No. But you do have to be a member of the admin group.
[03:54] <TheHganavak> Why wouldn't it be prompting me for permission...?
[03:54] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: there is something seriously f'ed up with kubuntu oneiric and audio
[03:54] <TheHganavak> I've only been using Kubuntu a day, installed kde-desktop over Ubuntu
[03:55] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: would you believe that on about my 3rd reboot, my audio is hosed again?
[03:55] <Snowhog> TheHganavak: It should. Have you by chance ever launched a graphical application using sudo??
[03:55] <maco> if it's poorly-supported hardware...yes
[03:55]  * maco has gotten close enough to audio hardware to be surprised that it works at all
[03:55] <TheHganavak> You gonna recommend I sudo run it Snowhog?
[03:55] <Daskreech> maco: DSP engineer?
[03:56] <jmichaelx> maco: what hardware were you referring to?
[03:56] <maco> Daskreech: no, i was dtchen/crimsun's flatmate a few years back
[03:56] <Snowhog> TheHganavak: NO! But if you had done so in the past, in this release, you can muck up your user account.
[03:56] <Daskreech> maco: Lol yeah that's close enough
[03:56] <TheHganavak> Uh, I probably have done in Ubuntu at some point
[03:57] <Daskreech> TheHganavak: on the command line type groups
[03:57] <maco> jmichaelx: hardware manufacturers are made of pain and suffering, lets go with that :P
[03:57] <Daskreech> do you see admin in the list ?
[03:57] <jmichaelx> maco: no one needs to do any convincing with me on that
[03:57] <jmichaelx> lol
[03:58] <maco> "i found a model that works!" *manufacturer changes internal component but not model number* "wait this is the same model and doesnt work. maybe its a different revision at least? no? FAIL"
[03:58] <jmichaelx> maco: boy does that song get repeated a lot
[03:58] <TheHganavak> Daskreech: sam adm dialout cdrom plugdev lpadmin admin sambashare
[03:59] <jmichaelx> i am not going to be able to use kubuntu oneiric on this machine
[03:59] <maco> did natty work?
[03:59] <jmichaelx> (the way things appear right now, at least)
[03:59] <maco> and does "sudo alsa force-reload" do any good?
[03:59] <maco> (i osmosis'd a little bit of audio debugging from crimsun :P)
[04:00] <Daskreech> TheHganavak: ok it should ask you for permission then
[04:00] <TheHganavak> Daskreech: It should, it doesn't.. I'm updating through konsole atm and hoping there's some fix I'm missing
[04:01] <jmichaelx> maco: yes, i believe lucid was the first kubuntu iteration i had installed on this nettop, and have dist-upgraded twice... had no audio trouble in lucid, a few small issues in natty, major issues in oneiric
[04:01] <TheHganavak> Daskreech: Restarting
[04:01] <Snowhog> TheHganavak: Make sure you are in your user /home directory, then type: ls -lR | grep root   You should not get any results. If you do, what file(s) are identified as owned by root?
[04:02] <jmichaelx> maco: i am not sure how much good force-reload does, without me first changing some configs.... but you probably know better than me
[04:04] <jmichaelx> in an environment as convoluted as kubuntu, what exactly decides what your default audio device is?   alsa? pulse? phonon?  and i would not have expected that the settings i entered and saved would get constantly overridden, but that is what is happening
[04:05] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: pulseaudio if it loads in fast enough
[04:05] <jmichaelx> i also think that it would be only logical to NEVER mac a darned microphone the default audio device, which this system is doing nearly every time i reboot
[04:06] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: i thought pulse would let the user decide?
[04:07] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: in other words, pulseaudio should respect the user's settings, shouldn't it?
[04:07] <maco> jmichaelx: was thinking if something wedged it, force-reload would kill whatever was grabbing the lock
[04:08] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: I could make snarky remarks about it being done by  a GNOME designer here but yes
[04:08] <jmichaelx> lol
[04:08] <maco> if you install pavucontrol you can pick which device pulse uses
[04:08] <maco> i usually go with telling phonon to use pulse then adjusting pulse to send whatever streams to whatever outputs i want
[04:08] <jmichaelx> maco: bu sadly, pavu will not work (nor will phonon) is pulse has made a microphone the default audio device
[04:09] <jmichaelx> but*
[04:09] <jmichaelx> if*
[04:09] <maco> thatd be rather *headdesk*
[04:09] <jmichaelx> and pule is INSISTING on making a device that it clearly identifies as a microphone the default audio device
[04:10] <jmichaelx> i have seen several others inthis channel complaining about their audio setting being overridden upon every reboot. that just should not happen
[04:15] <maco> pulse is supposed to save its state in a cookie
[04:20] <jmichaelx> maco: Daskreech spent something like an hour helping me iron this out a few days ago... and it worked for 2 reboots, and now has reverted back
[04:20] <jmichaelx> people in #pulseaudio are saying they believe this is something that kde is doing
[04:21] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: You could ask in #kde-multimedia They might be better informed
[04:21] <Daskreech>  there are people there who cross over both chans so they would be a little better placed to say
[04:21] <Daskreech> I would suggest coling as a good source
[04:21] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: my experience is that kde irc channels tend to be fairly unhelpful
[04:22] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: well apachelogger is there so that makes it instantly cooler :)
[04:23] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: i could well be wrong, but my hunch is that this is dues to k/ubuntu messing up somewhere
[04:24] <Daskreech> Could be but between those two people you are looking at some of the best developers in pulseaudio, phonon and kubuntu so again I think you will be pretty well covered
[04:24] <Daskreech> It's just going to be super quiet at this point in the night
[04:35] <phiscibe> i think thid system is sound now...more or less
[04:35] <phiscibe> this
[04:36] <jmichaelx> i just unplugged the webcam (and hence the offending microphone), did an alsa force-reload, and audio is working
[04:37] <maco> ooh i wonder if the webcam is being initialized BEFORE the internal
[04:39] <Daskreech> This house is now clean
[04:40] <Daskreech> maco: Still doesn't quite explain why a input device is given the sound output default
[04:40] <jmichaelx> maco: sure seems so
[04:41] <maco> Daskreech: technically many ports (on the board) are both-ways and the driver determines which it does
[04:41] <jmichaelx> i am being told that running alsa force-reload should be avoided altogether
[04:42] <maco> its a very large hammer, this is true
[04:42] <maco> it kills everything thats using sound then unloads and reloads the driver
[04:42] <maco> like a mini reboot
[04:42] <maco> but not quite so clean
[04:43] <maco> i used to have to do it a LOT til i patched my sound driver to keep-freaking-working after a resume from suspend
[04:43] <Daskreech> It's an expensive operation and not really a good idea while other stuff is running
[04:43] <Daskreech> Ah suspend
[04:43] <jmichaelx> maco: yes, i am being told to just say no to force-reload, but am unsure what actually should be done
[04:43] <Daskreech> the evil black cat of Linux currently
[04:44] <maco> Daskreech: this was in '08 actually
[04:44] <Daskreech> Yeah
[04:44] <maco> and thats when crimsun taught me that command
[04:44] <Daskreech> the cat is still black
[04:47] <jmichaelx> what gets me is that i could not get any audio on this machine when i tried to just strip pulseaudio out.... i had not run into that before
[04:47] <jmichaelx> i would be more than happy to ditch pulse, if my audio quality were decent without it
[04:52] <Daskreech> You should be able to
[04:52] <Daskreech>  it's optional
[04:53] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: i should be able to, and have done so in the past (even on this machine), but was unable to do so this time
[04:54] <jmichaelx> the pulseaudio folks insist that the problem is with KDE... and in this case, i am prone to believe them
[04:54] <jmichaelx> ultimately, the problem is with kubuntu
[04:55] <jmichaelx> for choosing to install pulse by default, in a DE that does not completely support it
[04:55] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: To be fair there were some bugs in pulse recently that affect KDE
[04:56] <Daskreech> I'm not sure where you lay blame there but it's still probably better to get it sorted out
[04:56] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: kinda like the Xorg bugs that are effecting KDE
[04:57] <jmichaelx> kwin has also been an aweful mess... or is it Xorg? i have no idea how to tell
[04:57] <Daskreech> Xorg bugs affect everything.
[04:57] <Daskreech> It's the sole monopoly in FOSS
[04:58] <maco> frequently with sound its buggy drivers that only have a reliable test case once pulse tries to use them
[04:58] <jmichaelx> i guess... but if any window manager will be effected by a bug, you can bet it will be kwin
[04:58] <maco> are you in the audio group?
[04:58] <jmichaelx> maco: yes, i know that's true
[04:58] <maco> used to be, ubuntu didnt put you in it (because it forced pulse) but kubuntu did, but now maybe neither does since both expect pulse now
[04:59] <maco> and kde theoretically got pulse support a release or two ago
[04:59] <jmichaelx> maco: well, i should be..
[04:59] <jmichaelx> maco: ok, i am not in the audio group, from what i am seeing
[05:00] <maco> thatd prevent you from using alsalib directly, without pulse as an intermediary. add yourself to the group and ripping out pulse should work (for values of work hat may require using alsamixer to change volume)
[05:00] <maco> hopefully that kwin/Xorg problem will be a bit better sooner, now that Xorg maintainers have been pestered about the "you guys only ever test your Xorg changes with Compiz" problem
[05:00] <jmichaelx> maco: ok, you probably just explained exactly what i was running into
[05:01] <jmichaelx> maco: i could very likely have saved myself a ton of effort (not to mention wasted CPU cycles) had i started using compiz instead of kwin starting a year or so back
[05:02] <jmichaelx> but... i cannot get myself to run compiz on kde
[05:02] <jmichaelx> kwin  + mobile intel has been a very bad combination
[05:03] <jmichaelx> and i know much of the blame there is not with kwin/kde devs
[05:06] <jmichaelx> now i want to start griping about android issues....
[05:06] <maco> my only gripe there is twitter's app causing memory corruption so that AV codecs stop working til reboot
[05:08] <jmichaelx> ugh... i have a cheap (but until recently fairly decent) lg optimus s (sprint). got an OTA upgrade to gingerbread about 5 or 6 weeks ago... has basically blitzed the phone
[05:09] <jmichaelx> lg & sprint stopped rolling out the update, once they saw what it was doing.... of course, i got the upgrade while sleeping one night, before it was pulled
[05:11] <jmichaelx> it has ruined my battery life, and now often does not notify me of text messages, and other things
[05:11] <jmichaelx> so... i want to root this thing, and put cyanogenmod7 on it, as soon as i figure out how to do so
[05:13] <Daskreech> maco: What's the downside to being in the audio group? why isn't it there as a backup?
[05:13]  * jmichaelx was wondering the same thing
[05:14] <maco> more likely to result in a process locking alsa and preventing other things from grabbing it
[05:15] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: well ICS just came out
[05:15] <jmichaelx> ICS?
[05:15] <Daskreech> Ice Cream Sandwich
[05:16] <jmichaelx> yea..  my phone runs at 600MHz, could never handle ICS
[05:17] <jmichaelx> plus, i'm mad at google for not having released their source code yet for honeycomb... remains to be seen whether or not they even intend to
[05:17] <jmichaelx> cyanogenmod is only possible due to the GPL'd code
[05:18]  * jmichaelx wishes for a free-er phone OS
[05:19] <jmichaelx> i was actually sort of looking forward to there being meego phones on the market
[05:19] <jmichaelx> RIP meego...
[05:20] <mase_work> yeh i was hopign for meego also
[05:20] <mase_work> the nokia n9 seemed ok
[05:21] <mase_work> but i am uncertain of it's future and from a spec pov it's hardly cutting edge
[05:21] <jmichaelx> yea... i guess i don't always need cutting edge, but then there are limits
[05:21] <mr-rich> I use evolution for e-mail ... after upgrading to 11.10, it doesn't look right ... fonts are bigger ... icons are missing ...
[05:23] <jmichaelx> i got this phone, because it was nearly "free".... single core 600MHz. compared to all the 1-1.2GHz dula-core nvidia tegra phones out tthere, you'd think this thing would be pretty sad... but until this OTA fiasco, i have been very happy with it
[05:25] <jmichaelx> are there mplayer key combos for volume?
[05:28] <jmichaelx> ok, mplayer has a few mighty weird default key bindings
[05:29] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: they don't intend to they are releasing the code for Android 4.0
[05:29] <jmichaelx> * to increase volume, / to decrease
[05:30] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: Yep but I've been so used to them it's secondnature now :-/
[05:30] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: there are some folks predicting that google is going to go closed-source with their tablet distros... dunno, may all be vicious rumor
[05:30] <Daskreech> mr-rich: Not sure. It should have the icons at least
[05:31] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: doesn't make sense for them
[05:31] <mr-rich> Daskreech: it did before I upgraded ... been using evo for 10 years .... hate to switch now ...
[05:32] <Daskreech> mr-rich: I don't think you have to :) Probably just need to ask in #ubuntu they would have more idea about packaging for it
[05:33] <mr-rich> Daskreech: they'll prolly tell me to ask here ... since I use kubuntu ...
[05:34] <eshlox> someone have idea why i cant connect to sftp with kdevelop/krusader (permission denied) but using console sftp its ok? ;-S
[05:35] <Daskreech> mr-rich: it's evolution that you want fixed. Just see if there was a package split or something No idea why you would split up icons form the program
[06:01] <phoenix_firebrd> is the package gir1.2-networkmanager part of kubuntu/kde?
[06:04] <Sad_Beagle> What is the name of the binary that launches the KDE preferences?
[06:04] <Sad_Beagle> I need to recreate my panels...
[06:05] <phoenix_firebrd> Sad_Beagle: hi
[06:05] <phoenix_firebrd> Sad_Beagle: what do you mean by "I need to recreate my panels"?
[06:07] <Sad_Beagle> phoenix_firebrd: I deleted my panel. I want to launch KDE's preferences but I do not know which binary to invoke.
[06:07] <phoenix_firebrd> Sad_Beagle: you mean the default panel at the bottom of the desktop?
[06:08] <Sad_Beagle> yeah
[06:08] <phoenix_firebrd> Sad_Beagle: you can do it in a simple way
[06:08] <phoenix_firebrd> Sad_Beagle: right click on the desktop, in the menu select add panel->default panel
[06:09] <Sad_Beagle> doh
[06:09] <Sad_Beagle> I looked right over that
[06:09] <Sad_Beagle> Thanks
[06:09] <phoenix_firebrd> Sad_Beagle: solved?
[06:09] <Sad_Beagle> yep
[06:09] <phoenix_firebrd> Sad_Beagle: enjoy
[06:10] <phoenix_firebrd> Sad_Beagle: one more thing
[06:10] <Sad_Beagle> ah, the binary is called "systemsettings"
[06:10] <phoenix_firebrd> Sad_Beagle: ya
[06:11] <phoenix_firebrd> Sad_Beagle: are you a windows user previously?
[06:34] <ispy_> I just upgraded to Kubuntu 11.10. Wow, so nice... welcome enhancements... KDE 4.7 is looking great. Well done team.
[07:18] <mohkubuntu> hye
[07:26] <stepnjump> Hi guys, I had 4 SMALL partitions at the end of my hard drive visible in gparted. I deleted them all and then made it to be a new swap partition because my acer netbook is too slow. Now when I rebooted, I was left at grub rescue menu. Now I'm logged on liveUSB. How could I repair my grub please
[07:27] <alexdevillx> green day
[07:29] <alexdevillx> how to install e-plasma theme?
[07:29] <drd20> Just tried to install openjdk-7 using Muon, but the actual JDK isn't listed (openjdk7-jdk); why is this? (and why is the package called openjdk-7-jdk)
[07:30] <alexdevillx> BTW, is SSD better than HDD for linux
[07:35] <stepnjump> SSD is always better
[07:38] <faLUCE>  hi, is there a list of 40' monitors compatible with ubuntu ?ù
[07:40] <starn> how do i display hidden folders in kubuntu?? i know in ubuntu it's ctrl h but it does not work.
[07:46] <kadoban> why when i run "sudo dd if=/dev/random of=keyfile bs=1024 count=4" does it quit early? it's only writing like 100ish bytes.  shouldn't it just block until enough entropy in available?
[07:48] <alexdevillx> anyone uses AWN?
[07:48] <stepnjump> are you trying to copy your boot sector kadoban?
[07:49] <kadoban> stepnjump: uh, no? i'm trying to make a 4k random file
[07:49] <stepnjump> oh nevermind then... don't know
[07:52] <starn> how do i display hidden folders in kubuntu?? i know in ubuntu it's ctrl h but it does not work.
[08:06] <alexdevillx> starn same problem
[08:07] <kadoban> ? it's alt+. it's in the view menu
[08:08] <alvin> ls -a
[08:21] <alexdevillx> please
[08:22] <alexdevillx> how to view hidden files in dolphin
[08:22] <kadoban> i just told you
[08:22] <alexdevillx> how
[08:23] <kadoban> scroll up
[08:23] <alexdevillx> Alt+.
[08:23] <alexdevillx> Alt+[Dot]
[08:23] <kadoban> yes
[08:23] <alexdevillx> ok
[08:27] <alexdevillx> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/E-plasma?content=142801 forever
[08:27] <sirfilip> morning
[08:30] <alexdevillx> hey
[08:30] <alexdevillx> is AmaroK wolf?
[08:30] <JorgeGarciaR> Hi
[08:36] <alexdevillx> some one can gimme your screenshot
[08:46] <progre55> hi guys. after the release upgrade, sometimes (randomly) my sound is lost when I plug in headphones. Using kubuntu 11.10 64bit. Any suggestions, please?
[08:49] <JorgeGarciaR> I've installed a clean Kubuntu 11.10 with ATI propietary drivers and everything runs smooth and clean, but I cannot change the fonts for applications, menus, captions, etc. I can select them but the font doesn't change, it's blocked. I don't find any related bug or anyone in Google reporting something similar. Any light about this? Can you change fonts?
[08:50] <JorgeGarciaR> Thanks!
[08:55] <faLUCE>  hi, is there a list of 40' monitors compatible with ubuntu ?
[08:55] <Peace-> faLUCE: monitors?
[08:56] <Peace-> i guess is more importatn use a good video card
[08:57] <faLUCE> Peace-: I have to buy a 40' display for a customer
[08:57] <well_laid_lawn> if it's called a monitor it'll work ok
[08:57] <faLUCE> and I don't want surprises...
[08:57] <faLUCE> well_laid_lawn: why are you so sure?
[08:57] <well_laid_lawn> monitors don't have to do much to be used
[08:58] <Peace-> faLUCE: it depends from the video card
[08:58] <Peace-> if you have a video card that support high resolutioin
[08:58] <faLUCE> Peace-: I have it
[08:58] <Peace-> so you need a monitor with big resolution
[08:58] <faLUCE> Peace-: yes
[08:59] <Peace-> than i guess it's ok
[08:59] <faLUCE> Peace-: but how can I be sure?
[08:59] <Peace-> this is theory
[08:59] <Peace-> big monitor big resolution = no problem
[09:00] <Peace-> big monitor low resolution = mess
[09:00] <faLUCE> Peace-: how can I check that in the graphic card?
[09:00] <faLUCE> in the video card?
[09:00] <Peace-> faLUCE: google video card resolution
[09:00] <Peace-> ..
[09:00] <faLUCE> Peace-: you are right, thanks
[09:06] <Fleck> my kmail is not sending mails after upgrade to 11.10, just stays in outbox, tried to remove sending accound, and created new one - still nothing, nothing happens, no errors, nothing... :(
[09:06] <Fleck> (yes, worked before os update)
[09:17] <larsivi> the kmail2 page doesn't work?
[09:19] <larsivi> hmm, anything ssl on the kubuntu pages seems to not work
[09:20] <noaXess> hey all
[09:21] <noaXess> upgrading to 11.10 was as simple then driving a bicycle :)
[09:21] <noaXess> but.. now i hvae two update icons.. one from muon and other from apper ;)
[09:22] <szal> yeah, and there's a couple of annoyances in 11.10
[09:23] <szal> e.g. a non-functional horizontal scroll bar in LibreOffice Calc
[09:23] <noaXess> first question.. why are ther two software management apps? does this make sence
[09:25] <well_laid_lawn> there's always been at least two; apt and synaptic/kpackagekit etc
[09:37] <JorgeGarciaR> Could any charitable soul try to change the font of Kubuntu 11.10 (64bits) and tell me if it works (in Appearance)? Thanks! :)
[09:40] <mrhuup> join /blackberry
[09:40] <well_laid_lawn> mrhuup: try /j #blackberry
[09:41] <mrhuup> tkx
[09:41] <well_laid_lawn> np :)
[09:48] <werner_> Hey
[09:48] <mrhuup> hi
[09:49] <werner_> I love KDE, but I don't use the built-in KDE PIM stuff
[09:49] <werner_> How do I get rid of the new AkonadiTray thingy in Kubuntu 10.11?
[09:50] <werner_> It keeps on buggin me about trying to access mail that fails (I assume it wants KMail)
[09:51] <werner_> Is there a way to just eliminate the little AkonadiTray tool?
[10:09] <sb1980> hi! i've switched from ubuntu to kubuntu by installing it via apt from my ubuntu. now my user rights are completely wrong, e.g. i can't update packages from the KDE, i need to manually run it with sudo from shell. is there an easy way to fix this?
[10:14] <fernandoanatomia> why kubuntu takes so much time to shutdown? With ubuntu when I press the power button it shutdown very quickly...
[10:15] <Riddell> sb1980: ensure you have polkit-kde-1 installed
[10:15] <Riddell> fernandoanatomia: nobody has looked into that I'm afraid, I'd be interested to know (some process will be slow to shut down)
[10:17] <larsivi> I get SSL error whenever trying these kubuntu wiki pages - anyone else?
[10:17] <fernandoanatomia> Riddell: I know bootchart a tool to mesuare the time and to dissect the boot process, is there any "shutdown chart" tool?
[10:20] <sb1980> Ridell: ok installed it now, i'm going to restart and report. thx
[10:20] <Riddell> possibly bootchart would work too
[10:20] <Riddell> it might not be the fault of one process though
[10:21] <larsivi> Riddell: any ideas on the ssl issue?
[10:22] <sb1980> while i'm still here: i also got a big problem with kickoff and nepomuk. whenever i want to start one of them, i can wait literally minutes until something happens
[10:22] <Riddell> larsivi: no, but I get "SSL negotiation failed" too, you would have to ask the sysadmins
[10:23] <larsivi> I don't now them :)
[10:23] <larsivi> *know
[10:24] <Riddell> #canonical-sysadmin
[10:30] <larsivi> anyway, even after fixing the migration to kmail2, kmail2 is very far from being a _better_ client :(
[10:31] <sb1980> Ridell: updates from package manager work now
[10:49] <sb1980> but reaction times of controll bar and kickoff are still horrible.
[11:08] <ucenik21> wert
[11:41] <oxymoron> Does somebody know how to change size of Kubuntu installation if I installed trhough Wubi in Windows? I remember I set a size there, but I want to resize it.
[11:44] <well_laid_lawn> !wubi
[11:45] <oxymoron> I know what Wubi is?
[11:46] <well_laid_lawn> there's links in there
[11:46] <well_laid_lawn>  http://wubi-installer.org/support.php
[11:48] <gnumdk> Hello
[11:49] <gnumdk> is there no way to get message indicator work with kmail2 ?
[11:51] <oxymoron> well_laid_lawn: I found something now, but it feels kind of hard. I though Wubi had a built in configurator in Windows, to just resize it.
[11:54] <well_laid_lawn> I know nothing about it sorry
[11:59] <alexdevillx> well_laid_lawn:
[12:01] <oxymoron> Why isnt it possible to resize wubi virtual device inside the virtual disk running? I shouldnt change anything, just the size it takes on a NTFS drive.
[12:17] <diego_> hi all
[12:17] <GirlyGirl> hi
[12:18] <diego_> why my kubuntu has lowed his performance with the new 11.10?
[12:18] <diego_> can I uninstall something useless?
[12:18] <alvin> diego_: akonadi/nepomuk/strigi/virtuoso
[12:18] <alvin> diego_: There are new 'low-fat' settings
[12:19] <Linkmaster> 11.10 looks beautiful. How difficult is it to install it, when you have an 11.04  /  and  /home partitions seperated? Should be easy, right?
[12:19] <diego_> Can I uninstall them?
[12:20] <diego_> Is it safe?
[12:20] <Linkmaster> diego_: go through akonadi settings and turn it off if you don't want it to do the indexing - you can't remove it, because the system depends on it
[12:20] <oxymoron> Sweet, thanks to that someone who finally fixed the sound on Kubuntu/KDe after latest updates
[12:21] <oxymoron> Now I just miss, that when plugin HDMI cable, system should change output device to HDMI, and when unplug it it just change back to speakers.
[12:21] <oxymoron> For now I need to do it manually.
[12:22] <oxymoron> Or why not both? :P
[12:22] <diego_> where is akonadi? :(
[12:24] <Linkmaster> Go to system settings, it should be under indexing I believe. I don't have my kubuntu computer on me, so I'm not 100% sure
[12:25] <diego_> ok, its under desktop search
[12:26] <Linkmaster> Yeah, thats it. You can disable it there, and it shouldn't resume after that
[12:27] <diego_> I hope so, thanks
[12:36] <diego_> why OpenGL dont work on  kubuntu 11.10? I was before, on 11.04
[12:38] <diego_> well, I made a little program, kind of "hello world" using opengl, and its dont work now
[12:38] <LK-> 11.10 doesn't have the ability to connect to a core in quassel?
[12:42] <oxymoron> LK-: Try to install KOnversation instead ;) Much better IRC client
[12:42] <LK-> It can act as a BNC?
[12:43] <oxymoron> LK-: Not sure, but I think so.
[12:44] <LK-> seems to not support that
[12:44] <oxymoron> LK-: Not sure if any IRC clients do that :P
[12:45] <LK-> oxymoron: Yes, Quassel does. Weechat does and quite a few others
[12:51] <obs> hey anyone that help me setting up my Elantech touchpad ?
[12:51] <diego_> thats my code http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/26/201110191447481280x800s.png/
[12:53] <diego_> thats my makefile http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/810/201110191447571280x800s.png/
[12:53] <El_Saviore> Hello there.
[12:54] <El_Saviore> I'm giong to try asking these questions again today...
[12:54] <diego_> and this it what show when run it
[12:54] <El_Saviore> Can anyone tell me why I can't drag and drop a multiple selction in ark?
[12:55] <diego_> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/38/201110191448141280x800s.png/
[12:55] <El_Saviore> I hear that it's possible, but I've tried on 2 systems with kubuntu 11.10 and it just wont work for me.
[12:56] <El_Saviore> also, how do I make it that I have to double click to open a file/folder?
[12:57] <El_Saviore> Are there any tutorials (preferably video) for navigating around Kubuntu?  What are new users supposed to do?
[12:59] <MWojtkowiak> !digest
[13:04] <Linkmaster> El_Saviore: what are you wanting to do?
[13:05] <jamil_1> hello all
[13:05] <El_Saviore> I'm wanting to extract multiple folders/files all at once
[13:05] <jamil_1> there is an apparent discrepancy in the cpu load shown by top and cpu load graph show by the plasmoid
[13:06] <El_Saviore> I know I can dtrl click and stuff, but I can't click+drag the selction when I want to.  i've never come across that before.
[13:06] <jamil_1> top shows very little load while plasmoid show very high cpu usage.
[13:06] <jamil_1> any explanation ?
[13:07] <El_Saviore> Linkmaster:  Those last few were to you.
[13:09] <El_Saviore> Linkmaster: The behaviore is mostly what i expect just using dolphin.
[13:09] <El_Saviore> Linkmaster:however, when inside ark, the selctions are not persistent when I click+drag>unclick
[13:11] <Linkmaster> El_Saviore: hmm....so it works in dolphin, but not directly in ark?
[13:12] <El_Saviore> Linkmaster: correct.
[13:13] <Linkmaster> Hmm..I usually associate with just dolphin, I do my extraction/etc. in dolphin(using ark however) but I don't deal directly in ark. Is there something specific that you need to use ark for?
[13:13] <El_Saviore> i was going to use 7zip to see if that worked, but I can't get an interface to come up.  i noticed there were 2 when I did a program search, and one ended with an "a"...maybe that's what i should have used.
[13:14] <El_Saviore> nothing at all, it's just how kubuntu comes configured, and I'm a noob
[13:14] <El_Saviore> I've useed gnome for a few years now, and am trying to get well rounded.
[13:15] <El_Saviore> how do you associate dolphin to behave that way?
[13:15] <GirlyGirl> sb1980: What is the exact error message?
[13:16] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:17] <El_Saviore> hello
[13:17] <Linkmaster> El_Saviore: Well, in dolphin, you can right click on your .zip/.rar/.etc., and choose amongst the different extractions, such as "/here" or "to:..." which will allow you to choose where you want to extract it. In dolphin as well, you can highlight multiple .zip/.etc., and extract them into the same place(such as when you have a multi-rar, etc.)
[13:18] <El_Saviore> my situation is that i have many files, and only want a portion of them taht are in the compressed file.
[13:18] <El_Saviore> also, I can't turn off the option to disregard the toplevel folder.
[13:18] <Linkmaster> so...~/filename.rar/filename.txt is what you want?
[13:18] <El_Saviore> i tried ignoring local paths, or whatever it was, but that still makes a top level folder.
[13:19] <El_Saviore> let's just say i want to extracrt everyother file in an archive.  how can I do that in one shot by dragging and dropping?
[13:20] <El_Saviore> It's not what I want to do, but that should help a visualization.
[13:20] <El_Saviore> I think I'm done the reinstall.  I'm going to see what I can see.
[13:20] <Linkmaster> I need to head to my next class(math). If you're around, and I am too, I'll see what I can do
[13:22] <El_Saviore> ok
[13:33] <noaXess> hey all
[13:33] <noaXess> strange behavior.. since 11.10, if i plugin my headphone, i can hear sound on maschine and headphone.. :(
[13:34] <SunTsu> maybe somebody in this channel is able to tell me: Where has libchipcardd gone to?
[13:35] <noaXess> do i really need akonadi?
[13:36] <BluesKaj> noaXess, only if you need a file indexer
[13:36] <maco> it's the backend data store for kde in general, though not all apps use it yet. kdepim uses it though
[13:36] <maco> BluesKaj: are you thinking of nepomuk?
[13:36] <noaXess> BluesKaj: not need.. but how to complete disable akonadi?
[13:37] <noaXess> don't use kdepim..
[13:37] <BluesKaj> akonadi also uses kmail and kontact , but you can turn it of
[13:37] <BluesKaj> off
[13:37] <maco> then you might not need it explicitly, though im not entirely sure you can uninstall it without dependency hell
[13:38] <noaXess> BluesKaj, maco: and what do i need to disable, that it doesn't run anymore?
[13:38] <BluesKaj> maco , you can't remove it , it takes most of the kubuntu desktop with it
[13:38] <maco> BluesKaj: thats what i thought
[13:38] <maco> there's a panel widget thingimabob that lets you turn off akonadi
[13:39] <noaXess> maco: yeah but in reboot it's back..
[13:39] <maco> oh
[13:39] <BluesKaj> noaXess, system settings >startup&shutdown>service manager
[13:39] <noaXess> i'm there BluesKaj.. nepomuk search module?
[13:40] <BluesKaj> yup uncheck and apply
[13:40] <noaXess> BluesKaj: ok.. thanks..
[13:40] <noaXess> BluesKaj: what app manager you prefer.. instead of apt-get :) muon or apper?
[13:40] <BluesKaj> now addit to session management
[13:42] <BluesKaj> i have akonadi and nepomuk , in the applications to be excluded from sessions box, noaXess
[13:43] <noaXess> strange behavior.. since 11.10, if i plugin my headphone, i can hear sound on maschine and headphone.. :(
[13:43] <BluesKaj> I just use synaptic as a package reference and guide , but rarely use any package managers to remove or install
[13:45] <BluesKaj> noaXess, did you see my post about 'applications to be excluded from sessions ' ? if you don't fill in the box , then akonadi and nepomuk will start on the next reboot
[13:45] <DennisBagley> all - just installed new machine with kubuntu oneiric on 3 mdraid level 1 partitions [ boot, swap, root ] using the standard amd64 cd, [ manually installed mdadm in live env and then created /dev/md's ] - is just booting into busy box on reboot, I presume i need to install mdadm to system, or maybe kernel mods for mdlevel1 - any pointers more than welcome - please
[13:46] <noaXess> BluesKaj: aha.. yeah
[13:46] <noaXess> BluesKaj: space delimited, or semicolon?
[13:46] <noaXess> comma ;)
[13:46] <BluesKaj> comma
[13:47] <noaXess> BluesKaj: done
[13:48] <noaXess> BluesKaj: any idea, why my notebook speaker are on, if headphone is pluged in? i hear sound in both, spealer and headphone since 11.10
[13:48]  * BluesKaj wishes akonadi and nepomuk were optional rather than default ...most non-business home users won't use use or need them
[13:48] <alvin> DennisBagley: Why didn't you use the 'alternate cd' (which is really the wrong name for that cd)
[13:49] <BluesKaj> noaXess, do you have a speaker control in alsamixer ?
[13:49] <noaXess> BluesKaj: wait..
[13:49] <DennisBagley> alvin: cos I is stupid - and this way worked last time I tried (few years back now)
[13:49] <alvin> I still like the idea of akonadi, if only it weren't so buggy. Nepomuk is another story. It doesn't add anything worthwile that slocate/mlocate does not have, but it eats resources.
[13:50] <noaXess> BluesKaj: http://i.imgur.com/ZNYRa.png
[13:50] <alvin> DennisBagley: Well, previous Ubuntu releases had a lot of problems with booting from mdadm. I'd expect that is fixed by now. It should work, so you probably forgot something.
[13:52] <DennisBagley> alvin: thanks :-) sure I did - is there a nice guide to chrooting from live cd into HD so I can install more stuff - or again - is it easiest to use the recovery / chroot on alternative ?
[13:52] <BluesKaj> noaXess, mute or turn down you "speaker" control in alsamixer
[13:52] <BluesKaj> your
[13:52] <noaXess> BluesKaj: if i do that.. also headphone goes down
[13:53] <alvin> DennisBagley: The alternative cd does have a rescue mode that lets you select a root device and gives you a shell
[13:53] <DennisBagley> alvin: ok will fight it for another 30 mins then accept defeat
[13:54] <BluesKaj> nox did you try both headphone outputs ?
[13:54] <BluesKaj> noaXess,
[13:55] <Fleck> anyone can confirm this: ctrl + alt + V - use UP/DOWN keys on keyboard - select one clipboard value - press enter - nothing happens - clipper stays open?
[14:02] <szal> Fleck: yep
[14:02] <szal> just another bug in a long list
[14:02] <Fleck> ;(
[14:02] <Fleck> yeah... and this is old bug too...
[14:02] <szal> e.g. closing the calendar (from clicking on the digital clock) by pressing Esc isn't possible any more either
[14:03] <Fleck> :D
[14:04] <szal> and I'm gonna have to choose another widget style than Oxygen again for the time being just so that LO Calc doesn't become unusable
[14:07] <shane2peru> wow, thunderbird just went spastic, I moved Chrome (nothing to do with TBird) and Tbird started scrolling up through all the messages, I scrolled back down to the bottom, and let go fo the bar, and it flipped back to the top of the list?
[14:07] <shane2peru> is tbird possessed?
[14:07] <obs> hey anyone that can help me setting up my Elantech touchpad ?
[14:09] <noaXess> BluesKaj: tried both headphone outputs ..:(.. grrr
[14:10] <millun> hi guys
[14:10] <millun> i am trying to send an email from domain.com to email@domain.com which is hosted ON gmail.
[14:10] <millun> Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual alias table'
[14:11] <noaXess> BluesKaj: if i pluged in in headphone1 and mute it.. it's muted and speaker are on.. if i mute then hp2 all is muted ??
[14:11] <BluesKaj> noaXess, try turning down the capture control , the headphone out could be looping back thru that
[14:11] <millun> the thing is that the machine first tries itself instead of querying the MX records
[14:12] <noaXess> BluesKaj: no... doesnt' work
[14:13] <BluesKaj> well, dunno noaXess ...guess you newed to do some research ...I'm not real familar with audio on laptops
[14:13] <BluesKaj> need ^
[14:13] <noaXess> BluesKaj: but.. anyway.. thanks for tips ;)...
[14:17] <roland> Any way to check from a bash script if the script was started from command line or from dolphin/nautilus window?
[14:27] <diego_> why OpenGL dont work on  kubuntu 11.10? I was before, on 11.04
[14:27] <diego_> well, I made a little program, kind of "hello world" using opengl, and its dont work now
[14:27] <diego_> thats my code http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/26/201110191447481280x800s.png/
[14:28] <diego_> thats my makefile http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/810/201110191447571280x800s.png/
[14:28] <diego_> and this it what show when run it
[14:28] <diego_> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/38/201110191448141280x800s.png/
[14:28] <diego_> why dont work properly???
[15:03] <BlueAidan> just installed kubuntu 11.10, and it seems the battery icon in the systray always says ac adapter not connected
[15:03] <BlueAidan> (even though it is)
[15:03] <BlueAidan> because of that, it's putting the netbook to sleep after a bit, which is annoying
[15:03] <BlueAidan> it always says 100% left, so the battery is charging
[15:29] <Deet`> having a problem booting in  to a fresh install. after grub, the GFX card stops sending a signal to the monitors. upon booting to recovery mode, if get a hang up on 4 errors for "codec_read: codec 0 is not valid" any ideas?
[15:30] <recs> i'm trying to get the proper synaptics drivers for my touchpad installed
[15:30] <recs> if i try to open up synaptiks it says no touchpad found
[15:31] <recs> i've googled this quite a bit but to no avail
[15:31] <Deet`> laptop?
[15:31] <recs> my touchpad is way to sensitive
[15:31] <recs> yeah
[15:31] <Deet`> odd, i did about 5 different laptops, never had a problem like that. were you connected to the internet when you did the install?
[15:32] <recs> yeah, this is the first i've had a problem too, it is a very newer laptop, samsung really hasn't released them yet, just a watered down bestbuy model is out
[15:32] <recs> the rest are still up for pre-order and haven't came out yet
[15:33] <Deet`> what computer are we dealing with?
[15:33] <recs> http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-20099569-1/hands-on-with-the-samsung-series-7-laptop/
[15:36] <recs> i had kubuntu installed on my girlfriends much older computer and didn't any problems, i dont know if the drivers were properly installed on hers or if her touchpad just wasn't as wacky as this one hardware wise
[15:36] <Deet`> could be too new
[15:38] <recs> yeah :(
[15:38] <recs> i tryed running the syndaemon and thought that would help a bit but it didn't work
[15:38] <Deet`> sadly i can't help you there :/
[15:39] <Deet`> you wouldn't know how to tell grub's command line to boot to kubuntu's command line would you?
[15:39] <jamil_1> how can I define some thing similar to ~ in bash ?
[15:41] <recs> do you want kdm not to startup and have to start it up yourself ?
[15:41] <Deet`> never mind
[15:41] <Deet`> i'm getting a codec error and wanted to get in to try and update/upgrade to see if that fixes anything
[15:43] <BluesKaj> Deet`, which graphics card ?
[15:43] <Deet`> ATI Radeon 9550
[15:43] <Deet`> 256, AGP 8x
[15:43] <BluesKaj> fglrx?
[15:43] <martijn81> Hi, i can't get my external hard disk to mount. What can i do?
[15:43] <Deet`> don't know, haven't been able to reach the gui yet
[15:44] <Deet`> normal boot gives me no signal to the monitor
[15:44] <BluesKaj> no Deet` I mean previously
[15:44] <martijn81> i have no permissions to write
[15:44] <Deet`> there isn't a previously. this is fresh install. first time on this particulat machine
[15:45] <BluesKaj> martijn81, mount -o remount,rw /path/to/drive
[15:46] <BluesKaj> new pc , Deet` ?
[15:46] <Deet`> more like cobled together old parts
[15:46] <Deet`> have windoze xp on it, works fine in there, usually
[15:47] <BluesKaj> Deet`, ok, dunno if the nomodeset fix applies to ati cards
[15:47] <BluesKaj> !nomodeset | Deet`
[15:47] <Deet`> cant hurt to try right?
[15:47] <martijn81> mount: can't find /dev/sdc in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[15:48] <BluesKaj> nope works for my nvidia pci, Deet`
[15:49] <martijn81> oops, mounting does work, but now i still not have permissions to write
[15:50] <BluesKaj> martijn81, is this ntfs?
[15:50] <mr-rich> Ok, this upgrade was not as smooth as the last one. Problems still remain ... The one I'm working on now is the internet connection. Under 11.04, I used /etc/network/interfaces to hard set my IP (I do some web dev). Upon upgrading to 11.10, eth0 now has 2 IPs ... the old one and one I had to set via DHCP ... How to fix?
[15:50] <martijn81> BluesKaj: nope, ext4
[15:51] <BluesKaj> on a usb external , that's unusual, martijn81
[15:51] <martijn81> i see...
[15:52] <martijn81> does is matther that i called it  /media/MEDIA/  ?
[15:52] <Deet`> BluesKaj, mine looks different from the examble. after "quiet splash" i have "vt.handoff=7" should i remove that?
[15:53] <Deet`> i added nomodeset after and it's didn't do anything
[15:55] <Deet`> what i don't get it why the livecd work for 8.04 worked fine and the install for 11 doesn't :(
[15:57] <BluesKaj> Deet`, I haven't seen that either
[15:58] <Deet`> well its only for one boot
[15:58]  * Deet` erases offending words
[15:59] <KingSphinx> Deet': Speaking of 8.04, there's a spin of Kubuntu that uses the KDE 3 fork known as Trinity. www.trinitydesktop.org is where you'll find it.
[15:59] <Deet`> well, the screen didn't go dead, but the codec error shows up now
[16:00] <Deet`> interesting
[16:01] <KingSphinx> They're working on builds for Oneiric, should be here by the end of the month.
[16:01] <Deet`> does that need to be a fresh install or can you do so from another distro?
[16:01] <BluesKaj> Deet`, if you have some older hardware that may have recognition probs , try the 'alternate install'
[16:01] <BluesKaj> !alternate
[16:02] <Deet`> i used the alternate install for this computer
[16:02] <BluesKaj> bummer
[16:02] <Deet`> yeah
[16:02] <Deet`> what's the likelyhood of updraging from 8.04 and everything still working?
[16:02] <BluesKaj> not good
[16:03] <Deet`> well i might just go with 8.04 then. internet down here sucks and i don't feel like taking 6 hours to download another iso
[16:05]  * Deet` just wants to use konversation and amarok, and use konqueror and hide from M$ :P
[16:06] <Deet`> KDE for windows despises Belize, i can't never get it to download right
[16:07] <BluesKaj> konqueror is no longer the default , dolphin is the file manager and firefox is the default browser
[16:07] <Deet`> bah
[16:07] <Deet`> i like konqueror
[16:07] <Deet`> and is firefox still a resourse whore on linux?
[16:07] <BluesKaj> well, you can still install it and use it
[16:08] <spacebug-> Deet`: you have rekonq also, more lightweight if you want that
[16:08] <jamil_1> is it possible to define something like ~ tilde expansion ?
[16:09] <kbroulik> why do I have to add this kubuntu-ppa/ppa thing for official KDE updates? why aren'T these pushed to my system automatically?
[16:09] <kbroulik> for backports, understandable, but for oneiric the 4.7.2 packages? o.O
[16:09] <Deet`> hrm....i think i formatted the wrong drive last time through..... >_>;;;
[16:10] <TheLastProject> Deet`: I am running Firefox with 2 tabs open right now, it is using 111540K memory, 32956K shared memory  and 0% CPU. The plugin container is using 6416K memory and 15368K shared memory - Probably won't help but hey, at least I tried
[16:10] <Deet`> ya know, maybe if i stop naming this computer after tthe murderous psychopath from elfen Lied, it might not be such a problem
[16:10] <Deet`> that's less that one tab does under windows
[16:11] <TheLastProject> Deet`: It are two simple PHPbb forum pages, so nothing that should use a lot of power
[16:11] <Deet`> i get 150+mb of ram usage on one page of nothing but text
[16:11] <Deet`> the longer it's open, the more it eats
[16:11] <TheLastProject> Whoa, that's bad
[16:11] <Deet`> and it's the same with most of the people i know on windows
[16:12] <Deet`> FF4 would take over all available RAM at times
[16:13] <Jai> can anyone suggest me how to speed up my kubuntu 11.10
[16:13] <Jai> it seems running very slow
[16:14] <Jai> i have 2.5 ram and 160 gb hard disk fully dedicated for ubuntu
[16:14] <Jai> can someone help on dis?
[16:14] <TheLastProject> kubuntu-less-fat package perhaps? (Not sure if that's the name, also not sure if it actually speeds general usage up as well instead of just bootup times)
[16:14] <TheLastProject> *kubuntu-low-fat
[16:14] <TheLastProject> Sorry
[16:14] <TheLastProject> Should reduce memory usage as well
[16:15] <TheLastProject> apt:/kubuntu-low-fat-settings
[16:15] <Jai> so u say dat i have to get using sudo apt kubuntu-low-fat-settings?
[16:15] <Jai> the last project?
[16:16] <TheLastProject> Jai: I'm not saying you have to, but I say it's worth a try
[16:16] <TheLastProject> Unfortunately I can't help any more, seeing as how I have to go AFK now
[16:16] <rork> Jai: try `top`, `ps aux` or system monitor to see if something is using excess memory/cpu, 2.5 GB RAM should be enough for kubuntu if you have a decent CPU
[16:16] <TheLastProject> Good luck
[16:17] <rork> Also because I think KDE depends heavily on OpenGL installing graphics drivers might help
[16:18] <pteague_work> is there a way i can get kate to not freak out & pop up a message box every time i switch over to it when a file has changed on disk? & yes, in settings -> configure kate -> application -> general i have the "warn about files modified by foreign processes" *unchecked* so it shouldn't be annoying me with this all the time
[16:18] <sirfilip> night
[16:18] <Jai> i have nvidia gforce 750
[16:22]  * mweijts goedenavond allemaal
[16:23] <genii-around> !nl
[16:25] <Deet`> well, 8.04 works like a charm
[16:25] <Jai> :(
[16:25] <rork> Jai: it looks like your system is comparable to mine which runs a basic kubuntu 11.10 just fine, did you install graphics drivers and did you check for processes that use a lot of memory/cpu?
[16:25] <Jai> out of 2.5 g ram
[16:26] <Jai> 2 g ram is used
[16:26] <Jai> wth
[16:26] <Jai> :(
[16:26] <FloodBotK2> Jai: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[16:26] <FloodBotK1> Jai: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[16:26] <Deet`> w00t 300+ updates needed. good times
[16:29] <rork> Jai: can you paste the output of `ps aux` (type this in a terminal) to pastebin and give us the link (e.g. on http://paste.ubuntu.com)
[16:33] <Jai> http://paste.ubuntu.com/713394/
[16:33] <Jai> here is d link rork
[16:37] <mr-rich> Hello. This upgrade was not as smooth as the last one. Problems still remain ... The one I'm working on now is the internet connection. Under 11.04, I used /etc/network/interfaces to hard set my IP (I do some web dev). Upon upgrading to 11.10, eth0 now has 2 IPs ... the old one and one I had to set via DHCP ... How to fix?
[16:37] <rork> Jai: it looks like firefox is soaking up all the memory, is your computer also slow after a boot?
[16:39] <pteague_work> ...ok, apparently the new kate is not usable for what i need... guess i try installing older debs for it
[16:41] <Jai> yeah
[16:41] <Jai> eveery time i open
[16:41] <BluesKaj> pteague_work, what do you need that kate can't provide ?
[16:43] <pteague_work> BluesKaj, i can't get it to suppress *warnings* about files being modified on disk... i tell it to ignore & it's fine until the next time the file is modified & then it screams about it again... even though i've unchecked the option to "warn about files modified by foreign processes"
[16:44] <rork> Jai: do you start a new session each boot or does it open an old session?
[16:44] <BluesKaj> mr-rich, use a static IP , http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-ubuntu-linux-convert-dhcp-network-configuration-to-static-ip-configuration.html
[16:45] <Jai> how do i knw whether im in previous session or not.. generally i shut down my kde and den start it..
[16:46] <BluesKaj> pteague_work, ok ... never experienced that so i won't be much help :(
[16:47] <pteague_work> BluesKaj, previous versions of kate would simply set a red icon in the file list... at which point if i really needed the different version i could simply f5 to refresh otherwise it never bothered me as long as i had that checkbox unchecked
[16:47] <rork> Jai: it's in System Settings > Start Up & Shutdown > Session Management, the options at the bottom. Generaly when you're in a previous session all programs that were opened when you shut down are opened again
[16:51] <Jai> Vowwwwwwwwww rork thank u so much
[16:52] <Jai> yeah it is restoring previous session.. i dint knw there existed a session management in system settings
[16:52] <Jai> great rork i guess dat is d main problem den
[16:52] <Jai> hmm welll
[16:52] <mr-rich> BluesKaj: Thanks. I did that exact thing in 11.04. When I upgraded, networking did not work. I had to switch to DHCP to get it to connect. when I do a "ip addr", I now have 2 IPs on eth0: the one I assigned in 11.04 and the one assighed by DHCP ... I have deleted the old /etc/network/interfaces file ... still have the same problem ...
[16:52] <Jai> for firefox issue.. i think we can use rekonq rite??
[16:53] <rork> Jai: did you test the new setting? (I guess you did)
[16:53] <Jai> well no
[16:53] <Jai> bt m sure dat is d problem
[16:53] <Jai> let me restart and come one min wait pls
[16:56] <BluesKaj> mr-rich, take the new IP out of network/interfaces  , just make sure the IP that's listed is the same as the IP your router assigned theat pc
[16:56] <BluesKaj> err that pc
[16:57] <mr-rich> BluesKaj: The only interface in /etc/network/interfaces is lo now ... when I reboot, I still have 2 ips on eth0. the upgrade did something and I can't figure out what ...
[16:58] <BluesKaj> mr-rich, Im also assuming you don't use network manager
[16:59] <BluesKaj> network manager will overwrite /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/network/interfaces
[16:59] <BluesKaj> mr-rich,^
[17:00] <mr-rich> BluesKaj: I do now to get the addy via DHCP ... when I first upgraded, I had no internet connection ... then I changed it to DHCP and deleted /etc/network/interfaces ...
[17:00] <Jai> rork u der?
[17:00] <rork> Jai: yes
[17:00] <Jai> no rork :( still it s slow
[17:00] <diego_> I have an example programm in opengl. I worked with kubuntu 11.04, but now with 11.10 it doesnt work! Why?
[17:00] <BluesKaj> mr-rich, do not delete /etc/network interfaces !
[17:00] <ryrych> hello
[17:01] <rork> can you do a `ps aux` again? Check memory and cpu if that's full?
[17:01] <diego_> it worked well before!
[17:01] <ryrych> I have migrated to new kmail with success but I don’t have to-do lists migrated
[17:01] <mr-rich> BluesKaj: actually I just copied the old one back ...
[17:01] <Jai> almost 1.5 gb is used
[17:01] <Jai> im checkin using top
[17:02] <BluesKaj> mr-rich, I asked if you were still using network manager
[17:02] <diego_> that the "output" http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/38/201110191448141280x800s.png/
[17:03] <aron612> hi all
[17:04] <rork> Jai: I think that's the same for me, are there any specific programs that use a lot of memory/cpu?
[17:05] <Jai> oh so u say cpu usage of 1.5 memory is normal??
[17:05] <Jai> without firefox usage?
[17:05] <BluesKaj> mr-rich, if so you need to remove networkmanager in order to setup static IPs etc and let the /etc/network/interfaces file do the work for you , check this out,http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/setting-up-an-network-interfaces-file/
[17:06] <rork> Jai: yes, but with Kontact open
[17:08] <mr-rich> BluesKaj: so, you can't use network manager to set a static ip?
[17:08] <fernandoanatomia> I can't more folders to my collection in Amarock besides /home/music
[17:08] <fernandoanatomia> I can't add ...
[17:09] <BluesKaj> mr-rich, did you read the tutorial I posted
[17:09] <mr-rich> Reading now ...
[17:10] <fernandoanatomia> I add the folder and ask Amarok search it but nothing happens.... the musics dont get listed....
[17:11] <ryrych> anyone, please? :)
[17:12] <Inadaptado> Afternoon
[17:12] <rork> fernandoanatomia: did you check "check folders recursively" and do a full rescan?
[17:12] <aron612_> всем привет
[17:12] <aron612_> есть русские?
[17:12] <maco> !ru
[17:12] <fernandoanatomia> rork: yes!
[17:12] <rork> Jai: and with the amount of servecis you run in the background (like ftp, apache etc) it's not surprising to me
[17:13] <dfrey_> Is there a way to purge and then refresh the list of packages known to aptitude?
[17:14] <fernandoanatomia> I also deleted /home/.kde/share/config/amarok*.* but it keeps the configuration.... How can I erase the current config?
[17:15] <SunTsu> somebody else having high cpu load for the xorg process when using kde 4.7.2?
[17:15] <BluesKaj> dfrey_, apt-get and atitude see the same repos , hence the same packages ..you can use Muon to reload the the packages ...it does whenever you launch it
[17:15] <BluesKaj> er aptitude
[17:16] <Inadaptado> SunTsu: Define 'high cpu load'
[17:16] <genii-around> fernandoanatomia: When you write /home/music  and /home/.kde/wherever ... do you mean instead /home/your-username/music /home/your-username/.kde/wherever ? or are you actually using /home/music and so on?
[17:16] <dfrey_> BluesKaj: One weird thing is that every time I'm reloading aptitude right now it is telling me I have the same new packages.  I tell it to "forget" and then those same packages are listed as "new" next time I run
[17:17] <SunTsu> Inadaptado: er: > 90%, constantly
[17:17] <Inadaptado> Wow, then definitely not
[17:17] <BluesKaj> dfrey_, whay are you ignoring the new updates ?
[17:17] <SunTsu> just switched to xfce, now everything is normal. kde was insane
[17:17] <BluesKaj> why
[17:18] <Inadaptado> Works fine for me. Could be better, but I'm not complaining
[17:18] <dfrey_> BluesKaj: These are the "new" packages, not ones that I already have installed and wish to update
[17:19] <BluesKaj> these aren't new packages , they're updates to the packages you have installed
[17:19] <BluesKaj> then update them , dfrey_
[17:20] <fernandoanatomia> /home/myusername.... I just forgot....
[17:20] <BluesKaj> SunTsu, do youn have anything to contribute , if not I suggest you join xubuntu
[17:20] <fernandoanatomia> genii-around: /home/myusername.... I just forgot....
[17:21] <dfrey_> BluesKaj: No, something is messed up.  For example "aptitude" is listed as one of the new packages.  I'm running it already of course.  When I try to install the "new" aptitude, it tells me that aptitude conflicts with aptitude.
[17:21] <ryrych> how can I import to-dos to new kontact
[17:22] <SunTsu> BluesKaj: Why would I join there? I don't have any problem with xfce, and I still want to use kde.
[17:23] <BluesKaj> dfrey_, do you have some ppas or sources from other kubuntu versions in your sources.list ?
[17:24] <dfrey_> BluesKaj: all of my sources.list lines are for "oneiric"
[17:25] <BluesKaj> SunTsu, you called kde insane , I assumed you weren't going to use it
[17:25] <eagles0513875> hey guys I'm having an issue i use a bootable usb to install oneiric onto my netbook yet for some reason even though i specified installation on my hard disk. for some blessed reason it installs grub 2 to the MBR of the pen drive instead of the MBR of the hard disk :(
[17:25] <eagles0513875> this seems to be a persistent issue since at least natty
[17:25] <Inadaptado> I think he meant KDE was making his computer unasable and wants to know how to fix it
[17:25] <BluesKaj> dfrey_, aptitude is not what it once was ..even i switched to apt-get
[17:26] <Inadaptado> eagles0513875: have you tried to select partitions manually?
[17:26] <eagles0513875> well netbook version of kde makes my netbook unusable
[17:26] <SunTsu> BluesKaj: you might want to try reading my sentences as belonging together. I had insane _cpu load_ using kde
[17:26] <eagles0513875> Inadaptado: it won't matter manual or not
[17:26] <Inadaptado> Weird
[17:26] <eagles0513875> the installer seems to use the MBR of the pen drive granted i told the installer to install to the hard disk
[17:26] <BluesKaj> SunTsu, I read that but without any details , it's difficult to help
[17:26] <dfrey_> BluesKaj: So what command should I issue with apt-get to ensure that I am all the way through the upgrade process?
[17:27] <eagles0513875> i need to file a bug on this its very annoying for a lot of netbook users
[17:27] <ikonia> eagles0513875: someone told me the other day (I've not verfied this) that the option to select the install point of grub was removed in 11.04 - I still believe it shows up if you select manual partition first, but I can't confirm this at this time
[17:27] <fernandoanatomia> I deleted ~/.kde/apps/amarok and didn't wonk....
[17:27] <SunTsu> BluesKaj: I know, I just wanted to know if somebody else had noticed that. If so we could have tried to see if there are common points and therefore try to figure out what's going wrong
[17:27] <BluesKaj> dfrey_, upgrade process? are uograding the OS or just packages?
[17:28] <Inadaptado> ikonia: It does, I did it four days ago
[17:28]  * eagles0513875 doesn't like the kde netbook look and feel not to mention plasma on that desktop is so slow. always reverts to the normal kde desktop which runs super well and fast on a netbook 
[17:28] <dfrey_> BluesKaj: Both?
[17:28] <BluesKaj> SunTsu, system monitor is your friend
[17:28] <eagles0513875> there is another way to fix the issue is to install the grub  package then ill need to figure out how to get it to boot
[17:28] <eagles0513875> but that shouldn't be to tough to do
[17:29] <ikonia> eagles0513875: it's not just netbook users, it's anyone installing from usb who's bios presents the usb before internal disks
[17:29] <ikonia> eagles0513875: there is already a bug logged for it I believe
[17:29] <eagles0513875> ikonia: that isn't true
[17:29] <ikonia> Inadaptado: it does what ?
[17:29] <ikonia> eagles0513875: what isn't ?
[17:29] <eagles0513875> i don't have that issue with my desktop
[17:29] <ikonia> eagles0513875: did you read what I said /
[17:29] <eagles0513875> i don't have the issue mentioned above
[17:29] <Inadaptado> ikonia: I chose partitions manually and the installer allowed me to choose where to install Grub2
[17:30] <ikonia> Inadaptado: that's what I believe also, but I can't verify this at this time
[17:30] <BluesKaj> dfrey_, well, which is it ?
[17:30] <ikonia> eagles0513875: it will be anyone who's bios presents the USB device BEFORE the internal disks
[17:30] <ikonia> eagles0513875: that's netbook/non-nebook.
[17:30] <eagles0513875> ok
[17:31] <eagles0513875> is that a bug or not a bug the installer doing as is intended
[17:31] <ikonia> however what Inadaptado has suggested I also believe .
[17:31] <phiscibe> iim still on 11.04, i installed it fresh 2 days before 11.10 came out, i had tons of bugs, wanted to unsderstand 11.04 before going upgrade, 5 days later looking better, but now it is crashing during the night, cant find any thig in a log,m they look reset
[17:31] <ikonia> eagles0513875: it's doing as intended, however check what Inadaptado said, as I also believe that, I've just not had a chance to confirm it
[17:31] <dfrey_> BluesKaj: I want the latest kubuntu installed on my machine without having to reinstall.
[17:31]  * BluesKaj never thought a 3 yr old bios would be outdated
[17:31] <ikonia> I believe this change was 11.04 and later
[17:31] <Inadaptado> eagles0513875: Is you USB listed as first device to load?
[17:32] <eagles0513875> ikonia: ok when i had 11.04 and had this issue i installed grub to the main hard disk and had to do one other step for the system to pick it up and boot off of it
[17:32] <eagles0513875> on my desktop no but netbook yes
[17:32] <Inadaptado> Then that may be the issue
[17:32] <eagles0513875> in the current situation the grub 2 package isn't even installed to hard disk
[17:32] <ikonia> that IS the issue
[17:32] <BluesKaj> dfrey_, so all this time you were talking about an upgrade to 11.10 OS and not just an update with the OS ..correct ?
[17:32] <ikonia> as I've stated
[17:32] <Crell> Hi folks.  I'm on 11.04, recently installed on a laptop.  When plugged into an external monitor, everything's fine.  When I take it off the monitor, the task panel at the bottom of the screen still thinks it's at a larger resolution, so the right side of it is inaccessible off the screen.
[17:32] <Inadaptado> Change it, choose the starter device manually, and, just to be sure, choose partitions manually
[17:32] <ikonia> eagles0513875: the grub2 package IS installed to the hard disk
[17:32] <eagles0513875> ikonia:  and i have understood
[17:32] <BluesKaj> within the OS, rather dfrey_
[17:32] <Crell> How do I fix that?  I've tried changing the Display settings, but they're already set correctly for this setup.
[17:32] <ikonia> eagles0513875: the actual grub boot loader is put on the mbr of disk a
[17:33] <eagles0513875> ikonia: its on the MBR of the pen drive in this case
[17:33] <eagles0513875> not the hard disk of the netbook
[17:33] <ikonia> eagles0513875: that's not the grub opackage though
[17:33] <ikonia> eagles0513875: that is the grub boot sector, the grub package IS installed to the hard disk
[17:33] <diego_> I have an example programm in opengl. It worked with kubuntu 11.04, but now with 11.10 it doesnt work! Why?
[17:33] <eagles0513875> just did an apt-cache policy and the grub2 package is showing not installed
[17:34] <diego_> that's the "output" http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/38/201110191448141280x800s.png/
[17:34] <yofel> eagles0513875: but grub-pc is
[17:34] <ikonia> eagles0513875: have you changed the name of the package correctly ?
[17:34] <dfrey_> BluesKaj: I guess so yeah.
[17:34] <ikonia> this is like pulling teeth
[17:34] <Inadaptado> Crell: Are your graphic card drivers up to date?
[17:35] <eagles0513875> no i haven't changed anything i guess i wasn't looking at the right package grub-pc is installed yet what i don't understand is why its not booting off of it
[17:35] <eagles0513875> if its there
[17:35] <Crell> Inadaptado: Should be.  It's an Intel X3100.  Open source driver, hasn't changed in years.
[17:35] <ikonia> eagles0513875: I've explained why
[17:35] <ikonia> eagles0513875: the grub binaries are not what boots the machine
[17:35] <Crell> The video is fine, maximized windows are the right size.  It's just the bottom panel that didn't get the message.
[17:35] <BluesKaj> dfrey_, so what have you done so far ...because i have no idea what the state of your install is ?
[17:35] <ikonia> eagles0513875: it's the boot sector of the disk, which in this case was put on the usb disk incorrectly
[17:35] <SunTsu> BluesKaj: I don't think that this will be helpful, it's Xorg that's running wild and I already know that. I need to find out what's making it freak out, for that I prolly need to disable stuff until it behaves the way I know it
[17:36] <Inadaptado> I haven't had an Intel in ages, I'm a bit clueless right now
[17:36] <BluesKaj> SunTsu, did you try system monitor ?
[17:37] <SunTsu> BluesKaj: yes, I do, in fact I'm watching it right now
[17:38] <dfrey_> BluesKaj: I changed my sources.list (just changed all URLs to oneiric) then I ran aptitude and updated the package lists.  Then I said to install all the updates.  Then during installation, I tried to resize my konsole window and X hung, so I had to ssh into my machine using my cell phone to try to complete the update process.
[17:38] <SunTsu> which is of course does not help with my problem, because I'm using xfce currently. I'll try it again with kde, but it does not seem to be more than a common process monitor like (h)top
[17:38] <Crell> Any thoughts?
[17:38] <BluesKaj> SunTsu, so what in kde was using all your resources ?
[17:39] <SunTsu> BluesKaj: not all my resources, but _Xorg_ was using a single cpu > 90% constantly. As in the Xorg process
[17:40] <BluesKaj> dfrey_, you don't change the sources.list to upgrade to anew OS by changing the names in the debs, 'sudo do-release-upgrade' is the command to use
[17:41] <dfrey_> BluesKaj: I'll try that now and see what happens
[17:42] <dfrey_> BluesKaj: of course now it's saying there is no new release because it thinks I'm fully updated
[17:42] <BluesKaj> dfrey_, but you had better rename your list to the existing OS . so it can upgrade to the newone.
[17:42] <BluesKaj> sources.list that is, dfrey_
[17:42] <dfrey_> BluesKaj: What was the previous version called again?  X isn't working so web access is challenging
[17:43] <BluesKaj> dfrey_, natty
[17:43] <dfrey_> BluesKaj: right, thanks
[17:43] <BluesKaj> dfrey_, wait I'll give you a command
[17:44] <fosburg> Can postscript fonts be used in Ubuntu?
[17:46] <shane2peru> no gui software update notification??
[17:47] <BluesKaj> dfrey_, nevermind that command is out of date
[17:47] <dfrey_> BluesKaj: setting sources.list back to natty didn't convince do-release-upgrade that I needed to upgrade
[17:49] <BluesKaj> dfrey_, run , uname -a please. post the output
[17:50] <Inadaptado> shane2peru: Are you asking if there is or are you telling us you have lost it?
[17:50] <shane2peru> Inadaptado: yes. :)  doesn't seem there is, and there used to be, is there a GUI update notification, or is it common knowledge that it isn't there.
[17:51] <dfrey_> BluesKaj: I can't easily paste the output into IRC because X isn't currently working.  It says kernel 3.0.0-12-generic #20-ubuntu
[17:52] <Inadaptado> That's a new one. What version of Kubuntu are you using?
[17:52] <shane2peru> Inadaptado: the latest, 11.10 Oneiric?  I upgraded.
[17:52] <shane2peru> dfrey_: there is an awesome pastebin utility for cli.
[17:53] <BluesKaj> dfrey_, ok that's 11.10 kernel , but just to be sure , run lsb_release -a
[17:53] <shane2peru> dfrey_: sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[17:53] <phiscibe> pastebinit  you can pipe staight to pastebin on a we
[17:53] <phiscibe> its cool as indoor plumbing
[17:53] <shane2peru> dfrey_: then, command -options | pastebinit   that would output directly to pastebinit
[17:54] <BluesKaj> ok, guys let's not have too many cooks here
[17:54] <dfrey_> BluesKaj: that command says 11.10 also
[17:54] <shane2peru> BluesKaj: sorry, just couldn't help myself there.
[17:55] <shane2peru> Inadaptado: at any rate, do you know what the package is called that provides GUI updates?
[17:55] <dfrey_> shane2peru: Good to know for the future, but I'm hesitant to try installing new packages right now given how messed up my install is
[17:55] <Inadaptado> Actually, when I tried to upgrade I was installed both Muon and Apper. Both had GUI updates.
[17:56] <shane2peru> dfrey_: oh, right, good point.
[17:56] <shane2peru> Inadaptado: ok, i have Muon, let me see about Apper.
[17:56] <Inadaptado> They were working at the same time, which I wouldn't be surprised if it could cause problems
[17:57] <BluesKaj> ok dfrey then you have 11.10 installed ...sort of ... run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrde , the sudo apt-dist upgrade
[17:57] <shane2peru> Inadaptado: oh, I'm all upgraded, I mean for the regular daily/weekly updates that come in, I'm not being notified of them.
[17:57] <eagles0513875> ikonia:  Inadaptado  problem solved purged the grub-pc package that was installed and reinstalled it and its working now :)
[17:57] <dfrey_> BluesKaj: Here's a clue: aptitude lists the number of installed packages as 366, but when I do dpkg --get-selections, I get 1951 lines of output.
[17:57] <shane2peru> Inadaptado: I don't seem to have apper.
[17:58] <BluesKaj> oops dfrey_ check the spelling in that second command
[17:58] <Inadaptado> Mmm, that's odd, muon is working fine
[17:58] <shane2peru> Inadaptado: right, my Muon is working too, but I didn't see the update options there.
[17:59] <Inadaptado> Excuse me for asking this, but, have you checked the configuration of Muon?
[17:59] <BluesKaj> dfrey_, just run the command I posted , I have no confidence in aptitude
[17:59] <eagles0513875> well hell now even with my ath9k wifi driver it seems like my wpa2 wifi connections here at home aren't being picked up
[17:59] <shane2peru> Inadaptado: no, I'm not real familiar with muon, matter of fact I just figured out there are two, or seem to be.  When I run muon from the command line, I get the updates thing
[18:00] <Inadaptado> Go to Muon package manager, and check the settings, under 'notifications'
[18:00] <Inadaptado> Maybe be misconfigured, for some reason
[18:00] <shane2peru> Inadaptado: when I go to Applications -> System -> Software ? something It shows Muon package manager.
[18:00] <BluesKaj> ok, dfrey_ I have to leave for a bit, BB in 5mins
[18:00]  * eagles0513875 will deal with the wifi issue tomorrow I'm brain dead tonight
[18:01] <dfrey_> BluesKaj: was the last bit of that command wrong?  Did you want me to run apt-get dist-upgrade?
[18:01] <shane2peru> Inadaptado: Ok under settings in the package manager, I have Software Sources, Toolsbars, and Shortcuts that is it.
[18:02] <BluesKaj> dfrey_, yes
[18:03] <Inadaptado> It should be Settings> Configure Muon Package Manager... > Notifications, then check boxes are ticked
[18:03] <shane2peru> Inadaptado: right, I seem to be missing that.
[18:03] <Inadaptado> That would be the reason then
[18:03] <Inadaptado> You may be missing muon-notifier
[18:04] <shane2peru> Inadaptado: the funny thing is when I alt-f2 and type muon, I get the Muon Package manager, that is different that the Software thing that reads muon at the top.
[18:04] <phiscibe> i am still sitting on 11.04 apt-get dist-upgrade see's nothing, it does not detect the distro upgrade, only kpackagekit will start it, they have muzzled the apt and apptitude somehow
[18:04] <shane2peru> Inadaptado: when I run muon from cli, I get all those options, my question is, what is that other thing?
[18:05] <shane2peru> Applications -> System -> Software Center  (claims to muon too.)
[18:05] <Inadaptado> It's a Muon in a prettier package
[18:06] <shane2peru> Inadaptado: in the menu, where do I find muon package manager?
[18:06] <shane2peru> no wonder I'm confused. :)
[18:06] <Inadaptado> It's where you said, Applications > System
[18:06] <dfrey_> BluesKaj: I got an update for "update-manager-core" and "update-manager-kde".  Other than that, the commands didn't seem to do much.
[18:07] <Inadaptado> I gotta check the oven, brb
[18:07] <shane2peru> Inadaptado: thanks!  you are right, there it was!
[18:08] <shane2peru> many fixes on Linux, is fixing the person using it, and not the actual system itself! :)
[18:09] <shane2peru> Ok, I have 25 packages that need updated, Muon is set to 'alert me' to new upgrades, I made muon check for updates, however it doesn't seem to let me know that there are updates.
[18:11] <BluesKaj> dfrey_, do this and update and dist-upgrade afterwards. http://repogen.simplylinux.ch/
[18:16] <TheLastProject> Is it possible to set different settings to the KDE panel (that taskbar-like thing) depending on which desktop is used?
[18:17] <BluesKaj> TheLastProject, new activity , maybe...don't use it myself
[18:31] <TheLastProject> BluesKaj: The idea seems great, but I can't seem to configure every desktop to use a specific activity. Thanks for the tip though!
[18:37] <TheLastProject> Looks like I lost all my widgets and desktop background, great =/
[18:38] <diego_> I have an example programm in opengl. It worked with kubuntu 11.04, but now with 11.10 it doesnt work! Why?
[18:38] <diego_> that's the "output" http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/38/201110191448141280x800s.png/
[18:39] <BluesKaj> TheLastProject, wonder what that activity thing does except  screw things
[18:40] <TheLastProject> BluesKaj: I'm not sure yet either. Seems you can use different desktop settings to quickly switch between fun/studying/etc. The idea is good, just has to mature a bit :P
[18:41] <BluesKaj> heh , I just put stuff on diff desktops already
[18:43] <k0s> cvvvvvvd
[18:44] <k0s> ребят а как убрать ето меню в сетку на искре
[18:44] <TheLastProject> !ru
[18:44] <TheLastProject> Or is that Greek?
[18:44] <TheLastProject> !gr
[18:44] <TheLastProject> Just to be sure :P
[18:45] <TheLastProject> (Looks more like Russian though)
[18:45] <BluesKaj> yeah ru , cyrillic
[18:45] <TheLastProject> I always confuse the two :P
[18:46] <BluesKaj> I think thge cyrillic is derived from the greek script
[18:46] <BluesKaj> think
[18:51] <adarshajoisa> my okular can't read chm files. If i remember correctly, it used to read chm files when i was using opensuse with kde 4.6. is there any plugin i need to install?
[18:54] <BluesKaj> !KchmViewer |adarshajoisa
[18:54] <BluesKaj> !info KchmViewer |adarshajoisa
[18:54] <TheLastProject> Ever since I touched activities KDE is broken as hell, oh well :P
[18:54] <BluesKaj> odd , it's listed in synaptic
[18:55] <dfrey_> I was in here an hour or so ago looking for solutions to my failed upgrarde.  These screenshots show the weird aptitude problem: http://dpfrey.dyndns.org/~dfrey/aptitude1.png  http://dpfrey.dyndns.org/~dfrey/aptitude2.png   Notice that the shots are showing the new packages and that there are many previously installed packages listed there.  Also note that there are two copies of every package listed,
[18:56] <dfrey_> but one doesn't have a proper description
[18:56] <adarshajoisa> blueskaj, thanks. i just installed it and tried opening a chm document. it still gives the same error. do i need to logout or restart my system?
[18:57] <BluesKaj> adarshajoisa, dunno , sorry
[18:57] <adarshajoisa> BluesKaj: it's ok. :) thanks anyway!
[18:57] <BluesKaj> dfrey_, did you do this and update and dist-upgrade afterwards. http://repogen.simplylinux.ch/ ?
[18:57] <adarshajoisa> i'll try rebooting when i have the patience. :P
[18:58] <BluesKaj> sems there' alot of rebooting required for new app installs ...getting to be as bad as windows
[19:00] <dfrey_> BluesKaj: I reviewed the sources.list that it generated and it was equivalent to mine.  I also rebooted and chose to boot an older kernel.  That allowed me to get into KDE without hanging.  I think I found other people complaining about the same problems with aptitude here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptitude/+bug/845136
[19:00] <TheLastProject> BluesKaj: I thought the same thing today when it said "you have to restart for the updates to take effect" - "Huh? Am I on Windows?"
[19:02] <adarshajoisa> how do i find which process is using a usb device? when i try unmounting the device (usb hard disk), it says device busy. is there any command that lets me check which process has locked the device?
[19:02] <mfraz74> lsof
[19:03] <BluesKaj> dfrey_, i've already given up on aptitude , unfortunately it's not working very well in some cases. try sudo dpkg --configure -a
[19:05] <dfrey_> BluesKaj: I think I'm on my way to solving this.  There was a comment in the bug I listed saying to remove the /etc/dkpg/dpkg.cfg/multiarch file and that seems to have fixed the problem.  I guess there must be some other bug that is preventing me from booting the latest kernel that comes with oneiric
[19:07] <BluesKaj> dfrey_, the multiarch is for 64bit pcs and if you had 32bit flash installed then you could have trouble
[19:08] <dfrey_> BluesKaj: I have 64bit and probably did have 32bit flash
[19:10] <pteague_work> BluesKaj, considering your comment earlier on kate about not experiencing the issue with kate continually complaining about a file being modified externally i thought perhaps it might be due to old config files so i went & renamed those so it'd create new files... still getting the popup notification rather than just an icon next to the file
[19:11] <yofel> dfrey_: aptitude + multiarch = not a good idea would be bug 831768
[19:11] <BluesKaj> dfrey_, yeah there's that wrapper / downloader / plugin mess that has to be sorted out on some machines
[19:13] <dfrey_> Is there a known bug regarding not being able to boot the latest kernel?
[19:13] <dfrey_> It seems to get part way, but then just hangs
[19:14] <BluesKaj> dfrey_, did you see yofel's post above ?
[19:14] <yofel> that shouldn't prevent the kernel from booting though
[19:14] <BluesKaj> yofel, it's preventing his updates tho
[19:15] <yofel> ah, *that* would be a reason
[19:15] <yofel> he could've just used apt-get though...
[19:15] <RickKnight> Anyone know how to get rid of the all black icons in Thunderbird 7.0.1 installed in Kubuntu 11.10. They look awful
[19:16] <dfrey_> BluesKaj: That seems to be related to the aptitude problem, but not the fact that I can't boot the new kernel
[19:16] <BluesKaj> he reverted to an older kernel , obviously the 3.0 isn't working well with aptitude and multiarch
[19:16] <yofel> dfrey_: now that you have multiarch off, can you check if you have all updates installed?
[19:17] <dfrey_> yofel: I'm doing that now
[19:17] <TheLastProject> RickKnight: I guess you could try grabbing a theme: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/themes/ - Sorry, don't hav eanother clue
[19:17] <BluesKaj> dfrey_, don't use aptitude:)
[19:17] <RickKnight> Thanks LastProject, I'll try that.
[19:17] <yofel> aptitude is fine, as long as you keep multiarch off
[19:18] <dfrey_> BluesKaj: The thing I like about aptitude is that it will automatically remove libs when they aren't needed anymore
[19:18] <TheLastProject> (Wow, only like 4 themes, that's... sad)
[19:19] <BluesKaj> apt-get does as well , dfrey_ contrary to popular belief
[19:19] <RickKnight> Another problem I've just noticed. Just a couple of days ago I upgraded from 10.10 to 11.04 and then 11.10. I notice I still have kernel 2.26.38-11-generic and my Grub menu lists the distro as 11.04. Did something go wrong? I got no error messages.
[19:20] <dfrey_> BluesKaj: hmm.  I don't think it used to.  I haven't really looked at apt-get in a long time though
[19:20] <yofel> RickKnight: if you open konsole, what does 'lsb_release -r' tell you?
[19:20] <BluesKaj> RickKnight, run lsb_release -a
[19:22] <BluesKaj> dfrey_, yes, apt-get has that capability now , and then some ..it's actually superior to aptitude handling and managing packages now
[19:22] <RickKnight> Both lsb_release with -a or -r both show ubuntu 11.10. Codename oneiric
[19:23] <yofel> RickKnight: and uname -a ?
[19:23] <RickKnight> uname -a gives Linux rick 2.6.38-11-generic #50-Ubuntu SMP Mon Sep 12 21:18:14 UTC 2011 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
[19:24] <yofel> RickKnight: does it list a 3.0.0 kernel if you run 'sudo update-grub' ?
[19:25] <lenzz> hi friends
[19:25] <lenzz> need help
[19:25] <lenzz> i set up direct modem-modem connection
[19:25] <lenzz> on windows is ppp server
[19:25] <lenzz> and from kubuntu I use wvdial
[19:26] <RickKnight> update-grub finds both the 2.6.38 and 3.0.0 kernels. And gives me the chance to keep or replace my menu.lst.
[19:26] <yofel> oh, grub1...
[19:26] <lenzz> on dialing computer i set commands AT&i3 then ATX3
[19:26] <BluesKaj> ahh, legacy grub ?
[19:26] <lenzz> on second A - manual answer
[19:27] <lenzz> but result is --> Connected, but carrier signal lost!  Retrying...
[19:27] <lenzz> --> Sending: ATDT3
[19:27] <lenzz> --> Waiting for carrier.
[19:27] <lenzz> what it can be?
[19:27] <lenzz> note: this is direct connection without call server
[19:29] <RickKnight> yofel: Thanks yofel. That appears to have worked. I'll reboot to see.
[19:30] <yofel> try it, I'm a bit rusty at grub1 compatibility
[19:38] <RickKnight> Last problem so far, when I reboot, /etc/resolv.conf is being re-written without any data, just a single line saying it was generated by network manager. I have to manually add the nameserver and gateway addresses. How can I fix this?
[19:38] <phiscribe> lenzz probably your init string on one end or the other, you need a modem formum, no body in here uses a modem now days, i used to work with them in the  90's
[19:40] <BluesKaj> RickKnight, networkmanger will overwite resolv.conf while it's in use ...not sure how to get around it without disabling/.removing nm
[19:40] <maco> i know a very big hammer way
[19:40] <maco> chattr +i
[19:40] <maco> i didnt just tell you that
[19:40]  * maco whistles away
[19:41] <phiscribe> one of the locations net man uses you can modify so that when it does its resolv shuffle it will inject your change, can not remember where
[19:42] <RickKnight> BluesKaj: Yes, it's suposed d to re-write resolv.conf with valid info from the dhcp server. It gets the info and sets the IP, but blanks the resolv.conf.
[19:42] <lenzz> phiscribe, thnx, I try to ask there
[19:42] <phiscribe> i often wonder if you could not just put your dns servers in the host file
[19:42] <maco> phiscribe: oh right. thats dhcp3 config file
[19:42] <RickKnight> maco: You may have told me last night. I've set the file immutable, haven't tried it yet.
[19:43] <maco> /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf
[19:43] <maco> prepend domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1
[19:43] <maco> that bit ^
[19:43] <BluesKaj> RickKnight, just use the router IP nameserver . route -n in the terminal
[19:44] <maco> if you uncomment that line and put the domain server you want (i usually go with opendns 208.67.222.222) then it should put that in instead of blank
[19:46] <RickKnight> I usually use opendns first and then my router. can I put both entries in dhclient.conf
[19:46] <phiscribe> seems like network managers breaking has been around forever, which ever one you use
[19:46] <BluesKaj> open dns is ok if you install their clint , otherwisw be prepared to scamble looking for you email after a reboot
[19:46] <maco> RickKnight: yes i believe so
[19:46] <phiscribe> on i used to use was command line based gui, ceni, it never failed
[19:46] <maco> BluesKaj: email?
[19:47] <phiscribe> use the google dns servers they are fast
[19:47] <maco> opendns doesnt prevent me reaching gmail...
[19:47] <maco> or yahoo mail
[19:47] <RickKnight> Thanks maco and BluesKaj, just about time for a re-boot.
[19:47] <BluesKaj> yup, if you have a dynamic IP outside the US open dns doesn't track it without some tracher app
[19:48] <maco> track what?
[19:48] <maco> why would they need to track anything?
[19:48] <maco> all they have to do is respond to dns requests
[19:48] <BluesKaj> dynamic IP
[19:48] <maco> why would i want them tracking my IP?
[19:48] <maco> are you mixing opendns up with dyndns?
[19:49] <phiscribe> i think he meant the way the names propagate
[19:50] <RickKnight> I use dyndns on my mail server, opendns for my nameserver it has always worked for me, but I'm in the US.
[19:51] <BluesKaj> well, my email was gone for 2 days with opendns. so i switched to google dns and email returned
[19:52] <BluesKaj> Canada here
[19:52] <maco> mail you host yourself?
[19:52] <BluesKaj> no
[19:52] <RickKnight> maco: yes, I host.
[19:54] <BluesKaj> wife was not happy , her email which is hosted on our ISP wasn't coming in either ...I had the opendns IPs set in the router manual dns option
[19:56] <BluesKaj> opendns should have a discalimer about their service being iffy outside the US
[19:58] <kamilnadeem> Hi
[19:58] <kamilnadeem> how does one execute a .run file in kubuntu 11.10
[19:58] <kamilnadeem> ?
[19:59] <kamilnadeem> it is of the game Trine
[19:59] <yofel> kamilnadeem: chmod +x <file.run>
[19:59] <yofel> kamilnadeem: ./<file.run>
[19:59] <yofel> replace <file.run> file the actual file name
[20:00] <kamilnadeem> yofel for that I would first have to open the folder in terminal right?
[20:00] <yofel> yes
[20:00] <yofel> you could add exectuable permissions in dolphin too though
[20:02] <kamilnadeem> I checked the permisions to executable of the file, it used to work on Ubuntu not sure why its not working here?
[20:02] <diego_> Anyone can help me? I have an example programm in opengl. It worked with kubuntu 11.04, but now with 11.10 it doesnt work! Why?
[20:03] <diego_> that's the "output" http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/38/201110191448141280x800s.png/
[20:03] <kamilnadeem> yofel how does one add execution permission to dolphin?
[20:04] <yofel> kamilnadeem: right click file -> properties -> permissions -> 'is executable'
[20:04] <kamilnadeem> on the file you are saying, I alreaady did that
[20:04] <kamilnadeem> not working ?
[20:05] <yofel> hm, should work, maybe you need to run the file in a terminal?
[20:05] <kamilnadeem> open with terminal then
[20:07] <kamilnadeem> nope , not working , terminal opens but nothing happens
[20:07] <kamilnadeem> http://cristalinux.blogspot.com/2011/10/kubuntu-1110-oneiric-ocelot-review.html
[20:07] <kamilnadeem> by the way here is a great review of 11.10
[20:07] <kamilnadeem> :)
[20:07] <kamilnadeem> I was going to update KDE to 4.2
[20:09] <lenzz> and if you try to run from root?
[20:10] <kamilnadeem> is it a good Idea , following in the reviewer way?
[20:10] <kamilnadeem> lenzz  are you asking me?
[20:10] <lenzz> yes
[20:11] <yofel> kamilnadeem: getting 4.7.2 from ppa? yes, that's the only way right now
[20:11] <szal> whose idea was it not to show the Pulseaudio streams in KMix any more?
[20:12] <kamilnadeem> lenzz I dont understand what you mean by that kindly explain
[20:12] <kamilnadeem> thanks yofel
[20:12] <yofel> szal: what version of kmix do you have installed?
[20:13] <lenzz> you tried to run your programm from root account?
[20:13] <szal> yofel: 3.9 (KDE 4.7.2)
[20:13] <greg3000> guys I'm running KDE with desktop widgets on the latest ver of ubuntu.  I've enabled dual monitors and now I can't see program windows unless I mark them as "Keep above others" in advanced window settings, each time the window loads.  Any ideas what happened to make this necessary?
[20:13] <yofel> s/from root account/with sudo/
[20:13] <yofel> szal: package version please
[20:13] <szal> one sec
[20:13] <kamilnadeem> No I checked the permissions to execute then clicked on it
[20:14] <szal> ii  kmix                         4:4.7.2-0ubuntu1~ppa1
[20:14] <kamilnadeem> I am not much expert when it comes to terminal stuff
[20:14] <greg3000> yeah so unless I set the option to "Keep above other" on window options, windows are hidden on my KDE desktop.   Anyone got a clue?
[20:14] <yofel> szal: can you update to ~ppa2 and see if they show up?
[20:15] <szal> yofel: updating now
[20:15] <lenzz> kamilnadeem - in terminal - sudo /path/to/your/programm
[20:16] <kamilnadeem> oh that , ok trying
[20:17] <szal> restarting KDE, brb
[20:17] <kamilnadeem> sudo: home/mohammad/Downloads/Softwares/TrineUpdate4.32.run: command not found
[20:18] <kamilnadeem> my mistake
[20:18] <kamilnadeem> 1 sec
[20:18] <greg3000> does this issue of windows being behind the desktop by default have to do with plasma?
[20:19] <szal> yofel: yes, ppa2 has them, thx :)
[20:19] <kamilnadeem> kamil@kamil-MG-63MI-7109:~$ sudo home/kamil/Downloads/Softwares/TrineUpdate4.32.run
[20:19] <kamilnadeem> sudo: home/kamil/Downloads/Softwares/TrineUpdate4.32.run: command not found
[20:19] <kamilnadeem> kamil@kamil-MG-63MI-7109:~$
[20:20] <yofel> kamilnadeem: sudo /home...
[20:20] <yofel> missing slash
[20:20] <yofel> but try it without sudo once
[20:20] <yofel> and see if it prints something
[20:20] <kamilnadeem> /home/kamil/Downloads/Softwares/TrineUpdate4.32.run: error while loading shared libraries: libglade-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[20:21] <kamilnadeem> need to install liblade then right
[20:21] <yofel> yep, libglade2-0
[20:22] <kamilnadeem> how does one search for packages in Kubuntu like IN sabayon its equo search
[20:22] <szal> yofel: any idea if from the side of KDE anything can be done about the (almost) non-functional horizontal scroll bar in LibreOffice?  (I noticed it in Calc, reportedly the problem exists also in the other applications)
[20:23]  * yofel runs calc..
[20:23] <szal> didn't find a related bug report, but a blog post I found via Google indicates that the problem has been known since at least August
[20:24] <szal> affects LO 3.4.x, not 3.3.x
[20:24] <yofel> hm, confirmed - I would file a bug against gtk2-engines-oxygen
[20:24] <kamilnadeem> Working but as a normal user
[20:24] <yofel> the bar is somewhat usable if I middle-click it
[20:24] <kamilnadeem> /home/kamil/Downloads/Softwares/TrineUpdate4.32.run
[20:24] <kamilnadeem> thanks guys
[20:25] <szal> yofel: yes, middle-click is reported to work, and the uppermost pixel row also reacts to left-click input
[20:25] <kamilnadeem> ok will be taking your leave now
[20:25] <kamilnadeem> thanks
[20:27] <diego_> Anyone can help me? I have an example programm in opengl. It worked with kubuntu 11.04, but now with 11.10 it doesnt work! Why?
[20:27] <diego_> that's the "output" http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/38/201110191448141280x800s.png/
[20:28] <diego_> anyone can read me?
[20:28] <diego_> :(
[20:29] <bercof> -
[20:30] <yofel> diego_: we can, but I guess nobody here has knowledge of opengl... does opengl work on your driver in general? (/var/log/Xorg.0.log)
[20:31] <diego_> yea...It cant be the problem
[20:31] <diego_> because with 11.04 all worked
[20:33] <BarkingFish> diego_, you could try it with google earth, i think that uses opengl for rendering
[20:33] <BarkingFish> if google earth doesn't work, then it could be an opengl issue
[20:33] <BluesKaj> BarkingFish, is GE working om 11.10 ?
[20:33] <BluesKaj> on
[20:34] <BarkingFish> not tried yet, been too busy setting up my devel stuff after the upgrade, BluesKaj
[20:34] <diego_> the program isnt the problem....its too simple
[20:34] <diego_> a kind of "hello world"
[20:34] <diego_> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/810/201110191447571280x800s.png/
[20:35] <BarkingFish> is this a program you wrote yourself?
[20:35] <diego_> yea...but BEFORE its works properly...when I update to 11.10...It begin to fail
[20:36] <diego_> the program cant be wrong
[20:37] <diego_> How can it be? I thought the updates improve the things
[20:39] <yofel> diego_: did you rebuild the program under 11.10?
[20:39] <diego_> yea
[20:39] <diego_> at first It could compile neightr
[20:39] <diego_> couldnt
[20:39] <BarkingFish> diego_, it may be that how you implement opengl has changed between 11.04 and 11.10 - a lot of stuff has been changed
[20:40] <diego_> here was the solution for the compile http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1860828
[20:40] <diego_> ???
[20:40] <diego_> how I implement it?
[20:42] <diego_> Its suppouse to be a standart library
[20:43] <BarkingFish> BluesKaj, just as a heads up, no. GE does *not* work on 11.10 - i just tried installing it and QApt crashed
[20:44] <BarkingFish> tried again using GDebi and that went too
[20:44] <diego_> thats my makefile http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/810/201110191447571280x800s.png/
[20:44] <diego_> thats my code http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/26/201110191447481280x800s.png/
[20:45] <diego_> that the "output" http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/38/201110191448141280x800s.png/
[20:45] <diego_> its too weird
[20:46] <ulio> hi, who can i disable the update notification popup for the oneiric in  natty ?
[20:46] <genii-around> diego_: If you are running a 64 bit box perhaps make sure you have both 64 and 32 bit versions of the dev files
[20:46] <diego_> no...im using a 32bit version
[20:48] <BarkingFish> ulio - press ALT+F2, and type sudo software-properties-kde   it'll open a password box, type in your password and hit enter.  When the next box opens, you'll see a tab at the top marked Updates - click it, and the very last entry at the bottom is a dropdown for showing new releases - simply set that to "Never", and hit ok.
[20:48] <alexdevillx> Muon
[20:49] <genii-around> Probably want to use kdesudo there and not just sudo
[20:50] <alexdevillx> Does this look infected?
[20:50] <diego_> If I could...I rollback to 11.04
[20:51] <BarkingFish> diego_, you still can. I assume you still have an ISO of 11.04 and if not, you can get one and reinstall.
[20:51] <BarkingFish> Nothing forces you to upgrade, at least until we stop supporting 11.04
[20:51] <diego_> I cant save my files before
[20:52] <grml> Hi, i want akonadi to sync with google calendar but i get the error: "akonadi_gacal_resource_1: Failed to retrieve events." Can anyone help?
[20:52] <diego_> and I need to solve my opengl problem to pass a university subject
[20:52] <ulio> BarkingFish: thanks I have found it :-)
[20:52] <diego_> :'(
[20:53] <grml> syncing the contacts works
[20:53] <BarkingFish> you're welcome, ulio :)
[21:00] <AD> I installed an application using Muon which I noticed was outdated, so I uninstalled it and downloaded and ran the relevant .deb file for the latest version. It appears in the Kickoff menu, but clicking on the application just results in the icon bouncing up and down for a few seconds and then disappearing.
[21:00] <AD> Is there anything I shpould have done differently?
[21:08] <BluesKaj> BarkingFish, thanks ..I tried as well with dpkg -i and the installer , GR is in the kmenu , but it crashes
[21:09] <BluesKaj> ert GE
[21:09] <BarkingFish> :(
[21:09] <BarkingFish> dang.  I wanted GE up as well.
[21:35] <museele> Hi
[21:56] <jmichaelx> so i have a server that has apparently been compromised, and is being used by bots... what would a good way be to find the malicious code, etc?
[21:57] <museele_> How do you use CMake with qtcreator?
[22:02] <phiscribe> negative consequences for removing /var/cache/apt/archives/  and /var/cache/apt/ and the partial folder?  will kubuntu not likey?  is should i use an apt command to get rid of them?
[22:02] <phiscribe> jmichaelx, what specificaly are they doing, the bots....what are the symptoms
[22:03] <phiscribe> jmichaelx, also what type of server
[22:06] <jmichaelx> phiscribe: it is a sever that right now is being used exclusively as a pure-ftp server
[22:07] <jmichaelx> phiscribe: i have received a few notices from our ISP that attacks appear to be coming from this box
[22:09] <phiscribe> which ftp server, id look at the ftp server's own logs first, then the system auth.log, you need to find their entry point and how far they got in, see if they made new user accounts
[22:09] <phiscribe> jmichaelx, are they just using the ftp server or do they have your whole box
[22:09] <phiscribe> thats is the question
[22:10] <jmichaelx> phiscribe: i am planning on moving to a new server.... although i do not want to move bots, etc, along with data
[22:10] <jmichaelx> phiscribe: i am not yet sure of that
[22:10] <phiscribe> jmichaelx, you neeed a way to look at the network traffic too
[22:10] <phiscribe> maybe at the router level if it logs
[22:11] <jmichaelx> phiscribe: i have the public internet connection disabled now
[22:11] <george> hello again. I'd like to know the default option for mic on alsamixer or volume control. Since the 11.10 update, mic volume appears to be editable (mic in /line in). I'm asking this because after that, my mic on jitsi doesn't not appear to be working.
[22:12] <jmichaelx> phiscribe: could ftp just be used remotely by bots, without the server itself having been hacked?
[22:13] <jmichaelx> phiscribe: i have been rummaging through auth.log and syslog for a bit now
[22:13] <phiscribe> jmichaelx, when you say bots im not sure what kind do you mean, were they just using you for storage?  was email coming out of the box?  where you a proxy server?
[22:13] <jmichaelx> this machine was basically a sitting duck
[22:13] <OerHeks> if there is a backdoor left, open ..
[22:13] <jmichaelx> phiscribe: email appears to have been coming from the box
[22:14] <phiscribe> jmichaelx, the logs will not go back so far at default settings, the rsyslogd is the system log writer, it does not have all options enabled by default,  and it just writes text files, might be better to make it write to a database, and enalbe more output, like a user log and a deamon log
[22:15] <phiscribe> jmichaelx, then you were not runnning a pure ftp server, most likely the mail server was on, default configuration, and they got into it
[22:16] <mr-rich> Anyone here help set up samba?
[22:16] <jmichaelx> phiscribe: this machine is using syslog-ng.. it is an old gentoo box, that when i started working here had nt seen any patches in close to 2 years
[22:16] <jmichaelx> phiscribe: i do not know the history, but i do not believe this machine has ever in its life been a mail server
[22:17] <jmichaelx> all it does now is run as an ftp server for our customers
[22:18] <george> I'm also receiving the message the some components were removed and if I want that KDE forget them (
[22:18] <george> HDA Intel, STAC92xx Analog (Default Audio Device)).
[22:18] <jmichaelx> (it does have sendmail installed)
[22:18] <phiscribe> it is now lol   unless they are just using as a proxy server
[22:18] <jmichaelx> phiscribe: yes, i think they are managing to use it as a mail server, though it had never been one before.
[22:19] <phiscribe> is mail logging turned on?  see if there is a mail.log
[22:20] <jmichaelx> phiscribe:  there is a mail log, but it does not contain much.... just errors reporting that SMTP cannot connect to a mail server we retired some time back
[22:21] <phiscribe> jmichaelx, you might be able to look at system file dates and get a clue, need to find the uploads
[22:21] <phiscribe> if they put in a root kit could be hard to find, try tools rkhunter or chkrookit
[22:25] <jmichaelx> phiscribe: i ran chkrootkit... one problem is that it is several years out of date
[22:25] <phiscribe> there is no way id trust anything from that box
[22:25] <jmichaelx> phiscribe: i do see a lot of "(root) MAIL (mailed 976 bytes of output but got status 0x0001" in /var/log/messages
[22:26] <phiscribe> it might not be send mail they might not even be using your mail server, they may just be using the box as  proxy to masq the ip of their own mail
[22:26] <phiscribe> is the mail server port open and exposed to the internet?
[22:27] <phiscribe> does your router have logs? that would be most informative
[22:28] <jmichaelx> phiscribe: i don't have the auth to access the router, but i could get that info tomorrow
[22:29] <jmichaelx> (i could probably get authorization to access the router, but have never requested it)
[22:30] <phiscribe> u just want logs showing traffic
[22:31] <phiscribe> if the data the ftp was serving are not executables, it should be safe to back it up and build a server from scratch, if they are could be trouble
[22:32] <jmichaelx> phiscribe: most of the ftp data is actually NFS mounted from another machine
[22:33] <jmichaelx> phiscribe: not much of the FTP data is executable
[22:33] <phiscribe> the other machine is in jeoporady to, unless it is mounted read only
[22:33] <jmichaelx> no, not read only...
[22:34] <cc_> irc.ircitalia.net
[22:34] <cc_> sorry
[22:34] <jmichaelx> the other machine is running nexenta (ubuntu userland/opensolaris kernel)
[22:34] <phiscribe> spend hours and hours figuring out, then hope you got it all, or start all over.......common choice
[22:34] <jmichaelx> yup
[22:35] <jmichaelx> i am just not too experienced at this sort of thing (which i am sure is obvious), and customers are really crying about FTP being down
[22:36] <phiscribe> well, bring it back online, watch it like a hawk, but harden it some, change all the passwords on root and users, close every port but the ftp port and mount port to the other machine,
[22:37] <phiscribe> check ownership on everything
[22:37] <giuse> hi all
[22:37] <phiscribe> rename the guest account the ftp server was using and make the ftp sever us it
[22:38] <phiscribe> when it is back up watch the net traffic and input output to disk by process try to find them
[22:39] <phiscribe> check the ntfs system for hidden streams
[22:39] <phiscribe> good luck
[22:40] <poldoRos> i ve a problem with pulseaudio preference ... the window it s all grey and i cannot choose nothing ... os oneiric ... any ideas ?
[22:40] <giuse> I have a problem with my bluetooth, I installed Kubuntu now but I do not detect the bluetooth in ubuntu apple detects without problems, I have a notebook hp dv5. thanks
[22:41] <jmichaelx> phiscribe: many thanks for all the advice.... i am going to grab some food, and may will be trying to work on this way into the night.
[22:42] <jmichaelx> may well*
[22:44] <george> Guys, it seems that Kubuntu 11.10 uses at least 180 MB more memory than 11.04. Can anyone confirm this?
[22:45] <phiscribe> george, it would be suck a machine specific value
[22:45] <phiscribe> such i meant
[22:46] <phiscribe> are you running out of memory, that is does it have to use swap?
[22:46] <george> phiscribe: don't quite get it.
[22:47] <george> phiscribe: no,
[22:47] <phiscribe> using more memory isnt nesecarly bad as long as everything has enough, actualy its good
[22:47] <phiscribe> and if your not hitting the swap, then its not hitting peformance
[22:48] <george> phiscribe: but it IS using more memory. it used to be (lots of desktop effects) around 700 MB idle (somethimes 500), and now its around 850 (sometimes 900 MB).
[22:48] <phiscribe> which of the 100 programs durning and upgrade changed the way they used memmory, how to tell no clue
[22:48] <george> phiscribe: well, it did hit swap a couple times...
[22:50] <phiscribe> i know that the flash bug has hit a few thouasand people, flash in a browser will chew memroy till it runs out and crashes on some systems
[22:51] <phiscribe> right now my 11.04 is using over 3 gb of ram
[22:51] <phiscribe> but its fine, as 2gb free
[22:51] <phiscribe> not using any swap
[22:52] <george> phiscribe: I use flash plugin only if necessary, since for most videos on the internet I use flash replacer.
[22:52] <george> phiscribe: but, something you've said.... why using more memory is good?
[22:53] <phiscribe> programs in memory run faster
[22:53] <phiscribe> if you had enough memory you would want every thing in it, your mp3's and  games ad all
[22:56] <phiscribe> some people do that in part, make a ram disk,  say put your browsers cache in it, browser goes faster
[22:56] <george> phiscribe: I see...
[22:56] <phiscribe> performance dies when you run out and it has to go to swap
[22:57] <phiscribe> has to shuffle ram around to give you enough to work with the program in front of you
[22:58] <phiscribe> so i was saying its hard to simplify memory usage to one single factor in this complex soup
[23:06] <george> phiscribe: I understand.
[23:09] <phiscribe> does any one know how to prevent kubuntu from dimming a background window if it is on another  monitor?  the second monitor is not much a monitor with 50% birghness
[23:09] <phiscribe> brightness
[23:10] <muntiKubu> kubuntu doesn't seem to have a decent video player?
[23:10] <well_laid_lawn> there'slots of 'em
[23:10] <muntiKubu> if only dragon player has a playlist
[23:11] <g0rs> muntiKubu: dragon player is pretty good , if not you can try vlc or gnome movie player
[23:12] <muntiKubu> <g0rs  iknow but has no playlist as I mentioned above
[23:12] <phiscribe> dragon is just a player u need media center
[23:12] <g0rs> muntiKubu: try vlc then
[23:13] <muntiKubu> vlc for some reason has more static than in gnome same box
[23:13] <muntiKubu> same media file
[23:13] <well_laid_lawn> mplayer does playlists
[23:13] <phiscribe> moovida?
 is moovida in repo?
[23:14] <phiscribe> muntiKubu, yes, but im not try recomending it
 ok then.  I have bangarang but sometimes goes crazy and seems not actively developed atm?
[23:15] <phiscribe> muntiKubu, it is great for what it does, a whole media center, music vids streaming network sharing, but it takes over the whole screen, fine for certain things
 like I said dragon player + playlist would have been ok for me
[23:16] <phiscribe> muntiKubu, we are forgeting this is Kubuntu, try kafffeine
[23:16] <phiscribe> Kaffeine
[23:17] <phiscribe> get cha some KAFFEINE woo
 I do but looking for a better alternate
[23:17]  * phiscribe goes for coffee
[23:18] <chris123> hi
[23:18] <phiscribe> muntiKubu,  kaffeine is a player with a playlist
kaffeine UI seems to need upgrade
[23:18] <chris123> i have an problem using kubuntu 11.10. since last update my opengl does not work anymore. when i run an opengl program i get error messages like "libGL.so.1" not found. but i can find this lib in /usr/lib. the graphic is intel hd 3000
[23:34] <myers> what type of video card whould this be:
[23:34] <myers> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 661/741/760 PCI/AGP or 662/761Gx PCIE VGA Display Adapter
[23:34] <myers> and where would i find the drivers
[23:41] <phiscribe> i have no experience with those cards, most likely it is intergrated with your mother board,  what drver is it using now?  if the driver isnt in the repositories already might be a challenge
[23:43] <phiscribe> myers, sis is an Xorg driver for SiS (Silicon Integrated Systems) and XGI video chips. The driver is accelerated and provides support for colordepths of 8, 16 and 24 bpp. XVideo, Render and other extensions are supported as well....should alrady be on the sytem or at least rachable
[23:43] <phiscribe> reachable i meant
[23:44] <myers> do i need to download anything?
[23:44] <phiscribe> is it working?
[23:48] <phiscribe> dont know enough about that chipset myers, try here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-sis/+bug/301958
[23:49] <OerHeks> this post sounds promising for your card > SIS 661/741/760 PCI/AGP drivers - Solved http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11099183&postcount=12
[23:50] <phiscribe> thats for ubuntu 8.10, .............