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micahgTheMuso: libatk1.0-dev seems to be uninstallable in precise, could you have a look?01:22
TheMusomicahg: Sure.01:23
micahgTheMuso: thanks01:23
TheMusomicahg: Architecture skew. I synced atk earlier, and amd64 doesn't have new packages published yet, whereas i386 does.01:30
micahgTheMuso: ah, ok, thanks, I guess I should check on that first :), makes sense with a build queue a half day long :-/01:31
CarlFKdesrt: trying to do what you suggested, now X doesn't start.  post install script: https://github.com/CarlFK/veyepar/blob/master/setup/scripts/late.sh#L3301:55
CarlFKfound this in syslog:  Unable to open '/etc/dconf/db/site', specified in dconf profile#012#012aborting...01:57
desrtCarlFK: did you remember 'dconf update'?02:57
CarlFKdesrt: yep03:04
desrtand that didn't generate the site file from the contents of the site.d directory?03:04
desrtcan you type this:03:05
desrtgrep -r . /etc/dconf03:05
desrtand pastebin the result?03:05
desrtdoes 'dconf update' give any errors when you run it?03:07
desrtuhhh.  that's not dconf.03:09
* desrt suddenly understands the problem03:09
desrtthere is a package called 'dconf' that nobody ever uses03:09
desrti bet you installed it03:09
desrti think the package you wanted was 'dconf-bin', rather03:10
CarlFKyeah, cuz otherwise I get "command not found"03:10
desrtyou also want to yell at seb128 tomorrow as soon as he logs in03:10
desrttell him i sent my love :)03:10
CarlFKdconf-bin or -tools?03:11
desrtmy bad :)03:13
CarlFK/etc/dconf/db/site.d/local.dconf: Key file contains line 'lock-enabled false' which is not a key-value pair, group, or comment03:13
CarlFKahh, missed the =03:13
desrtnow you're in business :)03:14
desrti expect things will start working much better for you very very soon03:14
CarlFKseems so.  thanks for the help03:14
desrtCarlFK: remember to flame seb :)03:14
CarlFKum.. what am I yelling at him about?03:15
desrtsomething along the lines of "i wasted hours because i installed this package called 'dconf' assuming that it would be dconf"03:15
* desrt tried to get him to ditch that old package a long time ago03:15
CarlFKbut the dconf dconf has a funny man page03:15
desrtthere's a similar problem with a package called 'epiphany'03:15
desrtthe only reason anyone ever installs that package is by accident because they intended to install the package called 'epiphany-browser03:16
CarlFKjuser@kasp:/etc$ sudo dconf update; Error opening directory '/etc/dconf/db/site.d/locks': No such file or directory03:18
desrti find that curious03:18
desrtwhat version of ubuntu are you running?03:18
desrti find that *very* curious03:18
desrtmake that directory...03:19
desrtbut that really shouldn't be required03:19
desrti think i see the problem03:20
desrtCarlFK: please file a bug about this one03:20
desrti guess nobody hit it before because people usually only use this mechanism for doing lockdown03:21
desrtand then there's always a locks directory03:21
CarlFKpackage: dconf ? :)03:21
desrton bugzilla.gnome.org, yes03:21
CarlFKah, there - I am used to lp03:21
CarlFKwhat version is this?03:24
desrtit's in master03:24
ubot2Gnome bug 662158 in dconf "dconf update requires /etc/dconf/db/site.d/locks" [Normal,Unconfirmed]03:28
TheMusodesrt: I thought the dconf update command was only for system wide db updating. How can that be used per user?03:31
desrtit can't03:33
desrtCarlFK is setting up system defaults03:33
CarlFKseems it all worked manually, now lets see if got my script all set right.. install started.. time to play Monsters for a while03:35
TheMusodesrt: Hrm ok, I was referring to the bug I filed about being able to create/update the db for indivual users. I'll follow up there.03:35
desrtah.  that was you :)03:36
desrtCarlFK: good luck :)03:37
desrthopefully you don't find some other silly issue03:37
desrtCarlFK: i appreciate the testing though, so thanks for that03:37
desrti think you're the first person i know of who has tried to do this from an installer script03:37
desrtCarlFK: heading to bed now.  let me know if you hit any more bumps.03:49
CarlFKdesrt: welcome.  I ve done..03:49
CarlFKdev before, know the value.. tests and bug reports are a way for me to give back03:49
CarlFKsee ya03:49
pittiGood morning04:23
RAOFHeya pitti04:24
pittihey RAOF04:24
RAOFHow do you get through the gnome update SRUs so quickly? :)04:25
pittiRAOF: most of the diff is just autofoo and documentation noise usually04:25
RAOFThis is true.04:26
infinitypitti: That was your chance to claim super powers, and you just blew it.04:26
pittithat, and /^--- [Enter] in vim :)04:26
pitti(i. e. jump to the next file in the diff)04:27
* infinity does the same thing...04:27
pittibut at some point queuediff should grow some filter options which pipe the thing through filterdiff04:27
pittidropping autofoo, po file, and doc stuff04:28
infinityI dunno.04:28
infinityThat's asking to enshrine sketchy practices. :P04:28
infinityI still quickly eyeball changes to configure to make sure it just looks like an version bump rebuild, etc.04:29
pittiRAOF: but I didn't actually do SRU reviews today yet; the current bunch was from Clint or you, judging by the time04:29
pittiah, I mostly just look at configure.ac for that04:30
infinitySometimes, the entire change to a package it within autotools (say, changing some linking options or something).04:30
RAOFYeah, from me.04:30
infinitypitti: Oh, fair enough, dropping configure but looking at the pre-gen files is sane.04:30
pittiinfinity: oh, absolutely, yes; configure.ac changes are very important04:30
pittinew dependencies and all that04:30
infinitypitti: Or, it's mostly sane now that very few packages touch configure directly and then do the painful touch dance. :P04:30
infinity(I'm sure some still do)04:31
pittidh_autoreconf was certainly a good invention04:32
pittiRAOF: ok, oneiric unapproved once again down to 2 (which are blocked)05:05
pittimadness, I say05:06
didrocksgood morning05:36
RAOFHey didrocks05:38
didrockshey RAOF, how are you?05:39
RAOFYour fine self?05:39
didrocksI'm fine as well, thanks!05:40
didrocksRAOF: pitti: urgh, sorry for the apport hook in g-p-m. I was trying to rebase the branch to not remove it and reintegrate the change afterward (see the packaging branch), seems I missed something :/06:00
pittididrocks: no worries; it's really useless, so I accepted it06:04
pittithere, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise?searchtext=desktop-p- :)06:05
didrocksyeah, still sorry for it! :)06:05
tkamppeterpitti, hi06:33
pittihey tkamppeter06:33
tkamppeterpitti, jasoncwarner_, it is about the Blueprints. Jason has opened https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-p-system-config-printer whereas I had already opened https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-p-system-config-printer-vs-gnome-3-control-center. Are they not duplicate?06:35
pittitkamppeter: they certainly are06:35
pittitkamppeter: I'll close jason's06:36
tkamppeterpitti, should we continue with https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-p-system-config-printer-vs-gnome-3-control-center, it contains more info.06:36
tkamppeterpitti, I will make Jason essential participant of mine, seems that I have forgotten that.06:36
pittitkamppeter: done, I re-targetted to precise06:37
pittitkamppeter: and reopened to "discussion'06:37
tkamppeterpitti, thanks.06:39
didrockspitti: should I register a blueprint for the polish work? "Small things matters, polish needed!" about all the small things that would be nice to tackle in Precise? (not sure it needs a session though)06:41
tkamppeterpitti, all my blueprints got accepted into the UDS, except https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-p-google-cloud-print-integration. Does it mean that this one is rejected or do I have to wait until it gets processed?06:41
tkamppeterpitti, and is "desktop" the right track for Google Cloud Print Integration and Common Printing Dialog? Or is there something special for the DX team?06:42
pittitkamppeter: desktop track sounds right for this06:43
pittitkamppeter: accepted cloud printing for uds-p, too06:44
TheMusodidrocks: Speaking of pollish, could you please add notes of what you found when working with the French locl etc for accessibility when installing oneiric to the accessibility pollish blueprint?06:44
tkamppeterpitti, thanks.06:44
TheMusodidrocks:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-p-accessibility-polish06:44
didrocksTheMuso: I'll add them to one of them, right. However, a lot of things changed for Oneiric06:46
didrocksTheMuso: I guess the report from the a11y on planet ubuntu covers most of it06:46
didrockslike even if you enabled a11y with screen reader, orca isn't launched06:46
TheMusodidrocks: Oh ok, I thought you were talking about Oneiric in your email to ubuntu-desktop.06:47
didrocksTheMuso: no, we tested on natty06:47
didrockspitti: looks good? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-p-desktop-polish06:56
didrockspitti: I really think it doesn't need discussion at UDS, just a place holder where people can put their thought and have WI06:57
pittididrocks: sure, I declined your uds-p proposal :)06:58
didrocksoupsss, autotyping :)06:58
pittididrocks: updated the other properties06:58
pittididrocks: targetting to precise, etc; looks ok to you?06:58
didrockspitti: looks good! Thanks, I'll send an email as well06:58
pittiRAOF: if you have a minute, perhaps you can review pygobject for bug 877397 ?07:12
ubot2Launchpad bug 877397 in pygobject "gedit in -proposed breaks snippets plugin" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87739707:12
pitti(I uploaded it, so I can't accept it)07:13
didrockspitti: oh, you fixed it or workaround without using GObject(Type=) ?07:17
pittididrocks: it's fixed07:17
pittididrocks: already got fixed upstream in pygobject by nacho07:18
didrocksexcellent! :)07:18
pittigedit works fine now07:18
ajmitchhas the fix for bug 855402 landed in upstream git?07:18
ubot2Launchpad bug 855402 in unity "Python lenses segfault with pygobject3" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/85540207:18
didrocksajmitch: not yet, tomeu had some concerns with the patch that kamstrup fixed, it's pending another review AFAIK07:19
kamstrupajmitch, didrocks: correct. Although davidcalle has reported that the patch works for him07:20
* ajmitch is using pygobject with the patch applied at the moment to get some lenses working07:20
kamstrupmaybe we should stick a patched pygobject in some pa for easy testing?07:20
kamstrupdidrocks: ^ ?07:21
ajmitchI have it in mine07:21
kamstrupajmitch: oh you have a ppa up?07:21
ajmitch& the ~askubuntu-tools PPA with a slightly saner version07:21
kamstrupnice to know07:21
didrockskamstrup: all pygobject is pitti, I won't even dare approaching this :-)07:21
kamstrupdidrocks: hehe, ok :-)07:21
ajmitchit should be applied on top of the SRU that pitti just uploaded though :)07:21
pittiajmitch: no, not yet07:21
pittikamstrup: upstream didn't like it, or did tomeu/J5 not get around to reviewing it yet?07:22
kamstrupajmitch: but it's very nice to know that the patch is receiving field testing. If you see any leaks or crashes be sure to report them07:22
ajmitchkamstrup: sure, though most lens problems that I'm having are with the code I'm writing :)07:23
kamstruppitti: it hasn't been reviewed yet, despite me punking. I think they want j5 to review but I haven't seen him online since I posted the patch, despite checking daily (and nightly)07:23
kamstruppitti: i'll note in the upstream bug that we've had users test it out and they are happy07:24
* ajmitch had wanted to get the askubuntu lens into extras.ubuntu.com prior to UDS07:24
ryeSo update manager asked me this: http://ubuntuone.com/0bmLdKBmiDJiyZP6uAR3SF - whether i want to replace defaults.list. I clicked on Changes and got http://ubuntuone.com/0GhdUGbGQBMF0Ot6w0czyF - a bit narrow07:32
kamstrupdpm: hey there -) any chance we can update the links on dev.u.c to point to the libunity we ship in 11.10?07:35
pittihey rodrigo_07:42
pittimvo: guten Morgen07:42
didrocksgood morning rodrigo_07:42
rodrigo_hi pitti, how are you?07:42
rodrigo_hi didrocks07:42
pittirodrigo_: I'm great, thanks! how about you?07:42
rodrigo_pitti, fine also, thanks :)07:42
mvohey pitti07:43
mvoguten morgen!07:44
pittimvo: wie gehts?07:44
pittimvo: I checked update-manager, and it seems postgresql was dropped from the blacklist (bug 871893); was that an accident?07:44
ubot2Launchpad bug 871893 in update-manager "After upgrading postgresql-databases are not accessible any more" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87189307:44
mvopitti: urgh, sure, I check what happend there and reupload a new version07:45
pittimvo: danke sehr; can you please upload with -v to include theh previous SRU changelog?07:46
pittimvo: does that need to have full package names, or does it support globs/regexps?07:46
dpmkamstrup, done, and giraffe also updated to the latest revision (sorry for the delay, I had to fix a couple of things with the doc generator script that calls giraffe)07:46
mvopitti: sure, what versions of postgres? or all of them, i.e. ^postgresql-.*" ?07:47
pittimvo: yes, all of them07:47
pittialso the packaged extensions07:47
pittimvo: ^postgresql-.* might catch some extra stuff, but looks good as a first start07:47
mvopitti: what will the extensions look like? (sorry for my ignorance)07:48
pittipostgresql-plpython-8.4, postgresql-9.1-postgis, etc.07:48
pittiif it doesn't support \d07:49
pittistill no cigar, doesn't match postgresql-9.107:49
pittimvo: ^ that seems to work fine with apt-cache search07:50
mvopitti: yeah, this looks good, adding it now, thanks!07:51
pittimvo: thanks to you!07:51
chrisccoulsongood morning everyone07:59
didrocksgood morning chrisccoulson!07:59
chrisccoulsonhi didrocks, how are you?07:59
didrockschrisccoulson: I'm fine, thanks, yourself?08:00
tjaaltontkamppeter: it's the new avahi code in cups that made cupsd leak dbus connections08:02
didrockssalut seb128, ça va ?08:02
seb128hey didrocks, ca va, et toi ?08:02
didrocksseb128: ça va08:03
chrisccoulsonhi seb12808:05
seb128hey chrisccoulson, how are you?08:06
chrisccoulsonseb128, i'm good thanks. how are you?08:06
seb128lol, new cycle is barely starting that some people already suggest to delay the LTS on the lists...08:06
seb128chrisccoulson, I'm ok, having a non-really-declared cold for 3 days, it's not really bad but annoying still08:07
chrisccoulsonoh, i hope you feel better soon08:07
chrisccoulsonwhat list are people suggesting delaying the LTS?08:07
seb128chrisccoulson, ubuntu-devel-discuss08:08
chrisccoulsonah, i don't read that anymore08:08
chrisccoulsoni don't even think i'm subscribed08:08
seb128you are not missing a lot ;-)08:08
seb128chrisccoulson, do you need me to keep my tb in a state where it misses emails in boxes or should I just click on all imaps boxes to have the refresh working?08:09
tjaaltonwhat's the tag for regressions in -updates?08:09
rodrigo_hi seb128, chrisccoulson08:10
seb128hey rodrigo_08:10
chrisccoulsonseb128, does it work if you open the drop-down menu on the Get Mail button, and click on the name of the account rather than "Get All"?08:10
chrisccoulsonhi rodrigo_08:10
seb128tjaalton, "regression-proposed" if the package is in proposed I think08:10
seb128so I guess same with -updates if it moved to updates08:11
seb128chrisccoulson, I'm tempted to say "no", but tb is bad at giving feedback on the fact that it's fetching emails08:11
seb128chrisccoulson, like I can click on the button or any of the dropdown options and nothing ever change on screen08:12
tjaaltontkamppeter: filed bug 87796708:12
ubot2Launchpad bug 877967 in cups "avahi leaks dbus connections to the system bus, breaking other apps depending on them" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87796708:12
seb128no animation, no scrollbar08:12
chrisccoulsonyes, that's a bit annoying08:12
chrisccoulsonthere is a spinner but it doesn't seem to do anything when you click that button08:12
chrisccoulsonbut it does work when it fetches mail automatically08:12
didrocksI opened evolution this morgen and was striken by how good it looks compared to tb :/08:13
chrisccoulsoni think evolution looks horrible ;)08:13
chrisccoulsonwhich theme do you use?08:13
didrocksI use the default theme for both08:13
didrocksin tb, the blue in the email title has no meaning08:14
seb128tb just looks different from any other application we ship08:15
seb128including firefox08:15
seb128they made a better job at make firefox looks like a native application08:15
didrocksyeah, that's my issue, we need coherence08:15
seb128I can't pinpoint what it is by tb looks really weird to me08:16
chrisccoulsonheh, i thought that when i first started using it. but now i find that evolution looks really weird to me ;)08:17
seb128yeah, you got used to tb08:18
seb128but it still looks different from every other applications we ship08:18
seb128I think part has to do with the spacing08:18
seb128the email list has less spacing that others GNOME applications08:18
seb128same for the folders list on the left08:18
seb128it might be good for extra content on screen but I find it to be too busy08:19
chrisccoulsonyeah, the spacing has been mentioned before. that's tweakable in the theme though08:19
chrisccoulsonwe should mention that to andreasn if he's at UDS ;)08:19
seb128it's also weird how discussions are displayed by default08:22
seb128it should expand those, the "display 1 line and an useless summary when selecting it" is not really usable08:22
didrocksI already mentioned it :)08:23
didrocksso I guess we agree, and that's why I used the conversations view08:23
didrocksbut it's quite buggy :/08:23
seb128well, out of those it's snappy and really less buggy than evo08:24
seb128especially it doesn't freeze doing whatever and force you a restart with something a --force-shutdown because it's stucked enough that it will not close08:24
didrocksbut sometimes it doesn't want to close there :)08:27
didrocksand I get the gnome-session dialog about "this application isn't responding…" on session stop08:27
didrocksbut it seems I'm the only one to get it, chrisccoulson can't reproduce it08:27
seb128yeah, never saw that one08:28
seb128chrisccoulson, ok, tell us, what do you like and disklike in gnome-shell? ;-)08:28
seb128same for unity ;-)08:28
chrisccoulsondidrocks, did you manage to attach gdb to it?08:28
didrockschrisccoulson: no, every time I have that, it's when it's late ;)08:28
didrocksseb128: he dislikes both, he loves unity-2d :)08:29
seb128didrocks, well, when I was saying unity it's 2d08:29
chrisccoulsonseb128, gnome-shell looks really polished, the animations are really smooth, there's a lot of consistency with their system dialogs, the system indicators are really well designed and the menus look nice too08:29
seb1282d and 3d are quite the same design wise, just some stability and look differences08:29
didrocks(and features)08:30
chrisccoulsonyeah, 2d is a lot more stable, and the design of the dash is nicer in 2d as well08:30
chrisccoulsoni just miss the new alt+tab switcher08:30
seb128I don't get why people like the new switcher08:30
tjaaltontb crashes here often when i'm filling the recipient address of a new message08:30
tjaaltonprobably the ldap backend failing08:30
chrisccoulsonseb128, it looks nice ;)08:30
seb128it's just a list of icons you don't even see the previews ;-)08:31
chrisccoulsonalthough, i can't say that i've used it enough to discover its downsides yet08:31
chrisccoulsonseb128, i don't like previews. they're too small to see what's in them08:31
seb128chrisccoulson, so is there anything you dislike about the shell? ;-)08:31
didrockschrisccoulson: use it a little, you will see the downsides :)08:31
chrisccoulsonwith previews, my browser, email client and text editor all look the same08:31
chrisccoulsonseb128, the shell uses too much screen real estate08:32
seb128yeah, I didn't like that either when I tried08:32
seb128the stopper to me was to have to "zoom out" to the activity view every time you want to switch applications08:32
seb128it's too much context switching on screen08:32
seb128\o/ unity super-n and launcher08:33
chrisccoulsonyeah, that's a pain08:33
chrisccoulsondo our designers look at things in gnome-shell btw?08:33
chrisccoulsonit seems that there's a lot we could learn ;)08:33
seb128well I think we are not "there yet", they still have lot they designed that didn't get properly done yet in unity08:34
seb128i.e what is not missing is items to put on the todo list, it's manpower to get the job done08:34
didrocksmy major issue with the shell is this "zoom out" as well, seems disturbing08:34
seb128they both have good sides08:35
chrisccoulsoni would like unity more if the icons in the dash weren't blurry :)08:35
seb128I think unity will be better once everything is done, shell is ahead, they have it mostly polished08:35
seb128but shell lacks quite a lot of things unity does08:35
Amaranthshell does less, does it well, and has like a year head start08:36
seb128lenses have potential, the launcher is unity is a real launcher, the messaging menu and sound menu have integration with applications08:36
chrisccoulsonyeah, those are nice08:36
Amaranthbtw, anyone find an IRC client better than xchat-gnome yet? :)08:37
seb128well, both are fine, let's not troll, I will stay on unity for 2 things, the launcher (and not have to context switch to the expose every time) and the screen estate08:37
seb128like I really got used to the "no scrollbar, no menu, no decoration"08:37
AmaranthI've been spoiled by linkinus on OS X08:37
seb128i.e you get the screen space for you08:37
didrocksAmaranth: weechat ;)08:37
seb128I'm using xchat-gnome08:37
Amaranthgnome-shell is a pretty slick experience, no doubt about that08:37
AmaranthI actually really like the dynamic workspaces, seems someone at Apple did too :)08:38
didrocksyeah, a lot of people in the community likes that too (well, the vocal majority on forums)08:38
seb128I'm probably getting old by I like my fixed workspace grid with things where I pu tthem08:38
didrocksI'm back to 4 ws now, but spawn on 2 screens08:39
Amaranthdidrocks: weechat? eh, cli08:39
didrocksright :)08:39
Amaranthmaybe I should take another look at Konversation08:40
seb128didrocks, was robert_ancell around today?08:40
seb128RAOF, hey, still there?08:41
didrocksseb128: didn't speak to him, but pitti is there earlier than I08:41
pittididn't talk to Robert today, sorry08:42
pittibut he was in IRC when I joined08:42
rodrigo_hmm, not sure it makes much sense to update gnome-bluetooth, only some small memory leaks fixed08:44
rodrigo_should I SRU it anyway?08:44
pittiwhat is "small"?08:44
rodrigo_pitti, let me see..08:44
rodrigo_pitti, http://pastebin.com/R0ne9BCM08:45
pitti10 byte a day (not worthwhile),  10 MB a day (worthwhile08:45
pittirodrigo_: ah, that's just the management capplet, not the applet/indicator?08:45
pittinot worth an SRU then IMHO08:46
rodrigo_well, it's the lib, isn't it?08:46
pittioh, there are GtkTreePaths in a lib?08:46
rodrigo_yeah, not worth I think08:46
pittirodrigo_: are there also some translation updates?08:46
pittiif not, we can just SRU .2 then08:46
seb128only 2 translations, I would skip this one08:47
rodrigo_pitti, yes, also translations, but only a couple08:47
seb128the leaks seem small one, I don't think the list change that often08:48
seb128rodrigo_, btw did you see the GNOME 3.2 against 3.4 discussion on the desktop list?08:48
rodrigo_seb128, yes, haven't answered because it's not clear yet what's going to be new in 3.408:49
rodrigo_if we are upgrading the platform libs, I'd vote for 3.408:49
rodrigo_just wanted to be 100% sure before suggesting that :)08:49
chrisccoulsonwow, this is the first time i've used update-manager in oneiric :)08:49
chrisccoulsonit just popped up for me08:49
chrisccoulsonnormally it's just a daily apt-get dist-upgrade ;)08:50
mvopitti: could you please have a quick look at http://paste.ubuntu.com/712977/ ? its  ugly as it will introduce a new transitional package in main post-release, but it was the only sensible way I found to fix the bug if a old libcupsys2 package is still installed08:50
mvochrisccoulson: the  security updates I'm sure08:50
chrisccoulsonmvo - yeah, there's a few security updates08:50
pittimvo: eek08:50
seb128rodrigo_, ok, well feel free to respond on the lists but please argue on why you think we should go for 3.4 ;-) did you recent the recent exchanges on the topic and the "spending the cycle playing catchup on unstable version against spending time fixing issues"?08:51
pittimvo: Conflicts/Replaces: libcupsys2 isn't enough?08:51
rodrigo_seb128, yes, read it all08:51
rodrigo_seb128, still, using 3.2 will have us playing catchup, as we'll have to backport stuff, which is much more work IMO08:52
pittilibcupsys2 was obsoleted in hardy08:52
mvopitti: let me try a bit harder08:52
pittimvo: if we need this, can we please not drop the Provides:?08:52
mvopitti: yeah, but it seems quite a few people still have it installed, its one of the most common resolver breakages currently08:52
seb128rodrigo_, well, we will have to play catchup only to backport fixes and on the components we care about08:52
pittimvo: ok, so it seems we forgot to clean up that one08:52
pittimvo: but at some point we need to uninstall it during upgrades; will that transitional package make that easier?08:53
mvopitti: it seems the provides is needed as libapt has a bug in the handling of the provides, it assumes libcupsys2 is a non-multiarch lib and that causes the issues08:53
pittimvo: you mean dropping the provides is needed?08:54
mvopitti: right, I think once apt is properly fixed we can drop it, I'm working some more on it08:54
pittimvo: hang on08:54
mvopitti: yes, it looks very strongly like this is needed, but I will try harder to use conflicts to get rid of it08:54
pittimvo: oh, you mean "is needed" -> the transitional pacakge, not the Provides:08:54
pittimvo: does it hurt to keep the Provides: libcupsys2, too?08:55
pittimvo: so, fine for me then, if this helps to resolve upgrades (but I would still like to keep the Provides:)08:55
rodrigo_seb128, I think using the stable versions is the only way we have to influence what is done in GNOME, that's why I prefer targetting the unstable version always08:55
rodrigo_s/stable/unstable, sorry08:56
seb128rodrigo_, you mean you feel comfortable replacing i.e udisk by a rewrite in a lts cycle?08:56
rodrigo_seb128, I'm not saying that :)08:56
seb128rodrigo_, well that's part of advocating going for 3.4 ;-08:57
RAOFseb128: Yo!08:57
seb128hey RAOF08:57
rodrigo_but if we target unstable versions, we can influence in having the old udisks still supported, for instance, if that's possible at all08:57
seb128RAOF, did you get my email about that g-s-d screen config issue?08:57
rodrigo_whereas leaving us in 3.2 will just postpone the work of integrating that08:57
mvopitti: it looks strongly like both is needed, but I agree to your concerns, I will see if I can find a more elegant way08:57
seb128rodrigo_, you want to bet with me that they will not want to support 2 backends? ;-)08:58
pittimvo: you mean dropping the provides: is needed? okay then08:58
RAOFseb128: "Xrandr caplets bug"?08:58
rodrigo_seb128, I never bet :)08:58
pittimvo: I guess with a transitional package we don't need the provides08:58
mvopitti: yeah08:59
seb128RAOF, yes08:59
rodrigo_seb128, but that's part of the problem of us not targetting unstable in some cycles, we are not in a strong position to be part of the decision08:59
rodrigo_seb128, we just have to wait for what "they" decide08:59
rodrigo_so given that, it's probably better to target stable, but that just postpones the issues08:59
seb128rodrigo_, right, it we were on the unstable serie they wouldn't drop the libg-c-c shared library ... oh wait ;-)08:59
rodrigo_seb128, that's a bad example, the patch to undrop it was so small that it wasn't worth the effort arguing more about it09:00
rodrigo_also, at the end, we didn't need it much, except for deja dup09:01
rodrigo_so it wasn't an issue at all09:01
seb128rodrigo_, bastien moved bluetooth in trunk yesterday and switched the lib to be a static and not shared one, but yeah another topic09:02
seb128rodrigo_, I think that09:02
rodrigo_seb128, yes, saw it09:02
seb128- shipping the stable serie doesn't prevent us to be involved in the unstable serie that we will land next cycle09:02
seb128- we don't have enough people to be involved in all upstream components09:03
rodrigo_that's true09:03
seb128so yeah, I would go for "upgrade the stack and track things we care about"09:03
seb128i.e pick our battles09:03
seb128like maybe go for g-c-c and g-s-d 3.4 and made the tweaks to make them run on 3.209:03
seb128they will probably don't need us to take the udisk,gvfs transition09:04
ricotzhello, just wanted to say glib master is getting better09:04
seb128ricotz, hey, great ;-)09:04
rodrigo_hi ricotz09:04
ricotzthe gstreamer issue is solved09:04
ricotzseb128, rodrigo_, hey :)09:05
rodrigo_ricotz, which issue was that with gstreamer?09:05
ricotzmutex_unlock problem09:05
seb128rodrigo_, glib 2.31 "fun" ;-)09:07
ricotzseb128, better to catch these issues now rather than after the first 2.31.x release ;)09:09
seb128ricotz, what issues are remaining?09:12
ricotzcurrently no obvious ones09:12
ricotzi had a nautilus crash which i am trying to trigger for a trace09:13
mvopitti: \o/ I think I can get away with c/r/p for the libcupsys2 issue09:19
pittimvo: yippie09:19
pittithat'll also be a nice cleanup09:19
mvopitti: I'm uploading it now to proposed :) thanks for not letting the first (ugly) solution pass that easily09:20
pittithanking me for making your life hard, yay :)09:20
chrisccoulsonseb128, have you experienced any incorrect indicator counts yet?09:22
seb128chrisccoulson, not yet but I didn't drive my boxes to 0 yet so I didn't check carefully the counters ;-)09:22
seb128I noticed it yesterday because I was all read and the indicator was still blue09:23
mvopitti: hard in the good way ;)09:23
chrisccoulsonah, ok. thanks09:23
* pitti hugs mvo09:23
* mvo hugs pitti09:23
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sroeckerapropos nautilus crash, there is bug 79570809:34
ubot2Launchpad bug 795708 in nautilus "nautilus crashed with SIGSEGV in nautilus_window_slot_get_current_uri()" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/79570809:34
chrisccoulsonhmmm, does anyone else understand how http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/mfbt/Util.h#420 works?09:47
pittichrisccoulson: you mean what a const_cast is?09:49
pittioh, l420, ignore me (bottom of file, thus l420 isn't at the top)09:50
mvochrisccoulson: that is pretty clever09:50
chrisccoulsonpitti - yeah, i'm trying to figure out how ArrayLength works09:50
pittichrisccoulson: ah, clever09:51
mvochrisccoulson: do you have a example usage, I think I get how it works, but I want to double check with some real code09:51
pittichrisccoulson: this only works for statically sized arrays, not for pointers09:51
pitti^ example09:52
mvochrisccoulson: the template functions will also be optimized away later most likely so that its not even bloating anything09:52
pittiso if you have e. g. an int[3], the preprocessor already knows the size09:52
pittiand wil create a template instance for the type int[3] (which is different from e. g. int[6])09:52
pittithen it just uses pattern matching to return the size09:52
chrisccoulsonah, ok09:52
chrisccoulsonthanks :)09:52
pittiso this is just a very very complicated way of saying "sizeof myarray"09:53
pittiwhich is also evaluated at build time and optimized away to just be a constant in the resulting code09:53
pittisomeone just likes C++ too much apparently :)09:53
mvoor like to show off a very clever use of template functions :)09:54
chrisccoulsonyeah, it was introduced here - https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/b9b9d9f379db09:54
pittiwow, there are compilers who manage to get this mess right, but don't support the standard C sizeof? *blink*09:55
pittiit's also in the C++ standard09:55
pittiwell, once you have it it might be easier to use because you don't need to explicitly know the size of the array element09:56
pittii. e. sizeof (myarray) / sizeof(int)09:56
chrisccoulsonyeah, that was the old approach09:57
ubot2Mozilla bug 693469 in General "Implement mozilla::ArrayLength and mozilla::ArrayEnd" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]09:57
seb128kirkland, hi, could you look at bug #874924 when you will be up, some users get a consolekit timeout on login when they have a .ecryptfs for a private dir (they don't use ecryptfs for their user dir but only a subdir)09:57
ubot2Launchpad bug 874924 in lightdm "WARNING: Failed to open CK session: Timeout was reached (ecryptfs subdir)" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87492409:57
seb128rodrigo_, did you notice that pitti blocked the g-c-c sru with a question on a change which was not targetted to oneiric?10:16
seb128didrocks, hey10:20
didrockshey seb12810:20
seb128didrocks, does your "polish" topic overlap with the "Desktop quality (bugs fixing)" I sent before?10:20
seb128they seem similar in the spirit to me10:20
didrocksseb128: I was wondering, but seeing the blueprints registered for "bugs", I think a separate blueprint to track them is necessary10:21
didrocksseb128: meaning, polish is not only bug fixing10:21
seb128I doubt I've enough to discuss about "bugs" for a session10:21
didrocksit's small things that make everyday life hard10:21
seb128it's just a "do it"10:21
didrocksseb128: we can probably discuss the polish there if needed then10:21
didrocksdo not hesitate to file ideas btw :)10:21
seb128didrocks, "polish is not only bug fixing", right that's where I used "quality" ;-)10:22
seb128seems we are in agreement10:22
seb128I just think bugs need to discuss so let's do one session about "polish"10:22
rodrigo_seb128, hmm, no, looking10:22
didrocksI saw more quality for bug fixes, but yeah, we globaly agree :)10:22
rodrigo_seb128, hmm, by mail?10:24
seb128didrocks, the u1 not well integrated will also be discussed in the "control center cleanup" I think btw (I saw you had a topic about it)10:24
didrocksseb128: ok, feel free to remove it then or append a note that it will be discussed there10:25
seb128didrocks, we can have overlapping topic, I was just pointing it, I like your first list, I will look to add some extra ones ;-)10:25
didrocksseb128: great! I'll try to think about it in the coming days as well. I think there are a lot of opportunity which are missing there10:26
seb128rodrigo_, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/864618/comments/2010:26
ubot2Launchpad bug 864618 in gnome-control-center "sets $LANG to a language name" [Low,In progress]10:26
rodrigo_seb128, ah ok10:27
seb128didrocks, "(like number of workspaces)", design will kill you :p10:27
seb128didrocks, oh btw speaking about the nm indicator do you know if there is still work to switch to the indicator-network based on nm rather than connman? cyphermox was looking at adding a nm backend this cycle10:28
seb128didrocks, don't bother, I will check with cyphermox directly when he's up later ;-)10:28
didrocksseb128: from what I know, nothing is done for connmann right now10:31
seb128didrocks, right, the work cyphermox was doing was to look at rebase the indicator (which is based on connman) on nm10:32
seb128so we could use the nice ui and keep nm10:32
didrocksyeah, would be nice, I think it's up to him to take it, nothing will happen otherwise10:32
chrisccoulsong'ah, twice in one week10:33
chrisccoulsoni hate the KDE patch we have in firefox10:33
rodrigo_pitti, just answered to your comment in bug 86461810:36
ubot2Launchpad bug 864618 in gnome-control-center "sets $LANG to a language name" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/86461810:36
rodrigo_pitti, the patch from Gunnar is to fix the ugly ISO... string that is added to the language names10:36
rodrigo_the non-utf8 lnags I mean10:36
rodrigo_it's quite ugly though, I'm really willing to remove that patch completely10:37
pittirodrigo_: hm, so you are saying that we aren't even using this code? why do we need the patch then?10:37
rodrigo_pitti, we are using it, where did I say that? :)10:37
pittirodrigo_: how does merely disabling that one line fix the string, as opposed to just leaving the variables uninitialized?10:38
pittirodrigo_: "since we are getting the list of languages from another place anyway"10:38
rodrigo_disabling that line makes the code above use the default values for those variables10:38
rodrigo_so that the codeset is not added to the non-utf8 lang names10:39
pittiah, so they are inited10:39
rodrigo_code below, sorry10:39
pittiok, thanks10:39
rodrigo_yes, the patch is really ugly, sorry about that10:39
rodrigo_I just didn't know much about the diffs between how gnome retrieves the lang lists and ubuntu's way10:39
rodrigo_now I'm starting to know a bit better, so will write an upstream patch to fix it there10:40
rodrigo_and then remove that ugly patch :)10:40
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pittimvo: cups change committed to Debian bzr; note that cups is already in -proposed, so can't accept your patch just yet11:07
pittimvo: ah, verified and 4 days, good 'nuff11:07
* pitti moves to -updats11:07
* mvo hugs pitti11:11
seb128pitti, if you do a cups upload you should consider the commit tim pointed on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cups/+bug/877967/comments/4 maybe as well?11:20
ubot2Launchpad bug 877967 in cups "avahi leaks dbus connections to the system bus, breaking other apps depending on them" [High,New]11:20
pittiseb128: can do, thanks11:21
seb128pitti, thanks ;-)11:22
seb128rodrigo_, bug #87807611:32
ubot2Launchpad bug 878076 in gnome-settings-daemon "Regression in oneiric-proposed: Can't suspend my system anymore by using its power button" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87807611:32
asacmy biggest unity problems are with a) stacking (task switcher doesnt show on alt-tab) and b) the launcher does not fade in on screens where i have full screen apps. guess those are known and worked on or do i need to report/comment somewhere?11:34
rodrigo_seb128, ok, looking11:35
asacand c) yesterday i couldnt find my OOO window anymore in the task switcher and had to minimize all windows - which was a scary moment as I did not yet save all my edits :) ... but cannot reproduce11:35
seb128asac, c) is known11:36
seb128asac, a) is a recurrent issues, it's less frequent nowadays, maybe didrocks or smspillaz knows if there is still a bug open tracking the issue still happening though11:36
didrockshum, a) is considered fixed apart from libroffice today11:37
didrocksso asac, pease open a bug11:37
asaci see a) after using my laptop a day11:37
asacand then it never goes away11:38
didrocksfor b), I noticed that, are you currently in that state?11:38
seb128asac, bug #86217111:38
ubot2Launchpad bug 862171 in unity "Running instance of Libreoffice writer disappears from launcher, but keeps running" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/86217111:38
didrocksasac: yeah, once the stacking is screwed, it's over11:38
asacseb128: good :)11:38
seb128asac, that's your c)11:38
tkamppeterpitti, I got a possible fix for bug 877967, perhaps we should join the SRU with the one for bug 874835, to not have such a long proposed queue and let the bug reporters wait too long for their updates.11:38
ubot2Launchpad bug 877967 in cups "avahi leaks dbus connections to the system bus, breaking other apps depending on them" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87796711:38
ubot2Launchpad bug 874835 in cups "[master] upgrade problem with libcupsys2: "E:Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks"" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87483511:38
asacwhile it was scary, finding my window still alive was also a joyful experience :)11:38
didrocksc) is known, I pinged smspillaz about it11:38
didrocksyeah, seb128 got the bug :)11:38
asacdidrocks:  i am currently in state b)11:39
asacdidrocks: and a)11:39
asacdidrocks: i think they are related11:39
asacbecause i can see the task switcher on a workspace with no windows11:39
didrocksasac: maybe, can you try something with d-feet?11:39
asacand ki can see the launcher on that window too11:39
asacdidrocks: sure. i can better give you whatever info you want from this state11:40
didrocksasac: oh, for b), you didnt mean the launcher is not visible at all?11:40
didrocksasac: I was understand doesn't fade away11:40
asacdidrocks: i meant that on my screens where i have full screen windows i dont see11:40
asacso from end user point of view it doesnt fade in, but i guess it fades in below this window11:40
didrocksasac: this should be "fixed" with the unity version in -proposed11:40
didrocksfor b)11:40
didrocksbut it's a workaround11:41
asacis that a workaround specific to the launcher? or maybe it also cures my task switcer?11:41
didrocksasac: no, it's specific to the launcher and can't apply to the task switcher11:41
seb128tkamppeter, see the log twenty minutes ago, I already pinged pitti about that11:41
asacdidrocks: ok. given that the reason why i miss the launcher is basically that i want to use it to work around the task switcher bug to go to a specific different window, it might help me anyway :)11:42
asacdidrocks: is that just one package?11:42
asaci would prefer to not help on general -proposed testing :)11:42
didrocksasac: it's unity, unity-common and unity-core11:43
asacok found11:43
didrocksapt-get install unity should just pull that in11:43
asacall in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity source11:43
seb128rodrigo_, pitti: do you know what "sleep key" is? g-s-d has sleep,suspend,hibernate keys and the default for "button-sleep" is hibernate which seems a bit weird11:44
asacdidrocks: guess then killall compiz and hope it comes back?11:45
asacok had to start unity on console11:46
asacstrange... thought compiz gets restarted11:47
asacdidrocks: ok for now i see the launcher11:47
asaci will let you know11:47
asacand i see the task switcher too :/11:47
rodrigo_seb128, I think it's the power key, looking11:48
seb128rodrigo_, no, the keys have "button-hibernate", "button-power", "button-sleep", and "button-suspend" in the schemas11:49
didrocksasac: let's see how it goes :)11:49
didrocksasac: it's weird, autorestart seems to work, but not reliably11:50
seb128rodrigo_, I'm just not sure how sleep and suspend,hibernate are different ;-)11:50
seb128rodrigo_, btw the g-s-d update did fix some bugs in launchpad, I'm updating them now ;-)11:50
asacguess it was not reliable this time for me then :) alright11:51
rodrigo_{ SLEEP_KEY, NULL, "XF86Suspend", NULL },11:51
seb128rodrigo_, the "regression" I pointed is weird, the key is set to "suspend" on my oneiric (without proprosed) netbook and it does display the session dialog by default, it doesn't suspend11:52
rodrigo_yeah, looking at the commits in media-keys11:52
seb128rodrigo_, ok, so "XF86Suspend" assigned to "hibernate" in the schemas by default seems buggy, but that's another bug ;-)11:53
seb128does anyone know how I can get the key event sent by a multimedia key?11:55
seb128xev doesn't seem to get those11:56
seb128it's for bug #868358, I would like to know what event fn-12 sends11:56
ubot2Launchpad bug 868358 in gnome-settings-daemon "hibernate key (fn + 12) triggers suspend on ThinkPad X200s" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/86835811:56
tkamppeterseb128, OK, did not see that when I posted. My message was simply a reaction on the e-mail notification of Tim's post.11:58
tkamppeterseb128, thanks for pinging pitti, too.11:58
seb128tkamppeter, yw11:58
didrocksseb128: I have a trackpad activation button and I confirm that when using it, you see an empty notification with no icon12:02
GunnarHjpitti: Hello Martin, do you have time for a question as regards bug 868346?12:03
ubot2Launchpad bug 868346 in lightdm "Language selector broken in Ubuntu" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/86834612:03
seb128didrocks, do you run g-s-d from proposed? I just noticed it's supposed to be fixed there12:03
seb128didrocks, http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-settings-daemon/commit/?h=gnome-3-2&id=387df5458a5b63c3b89baf6f58e2c12c2af78d6d12:03
didrocksseb128: oh, not on that netbook, let me have a try12:03
seb128didrocks, if you don't yet but can update and confirm bug #877058 is fixed it would be great12:03
ubot2Launchpad bug 877058 in gnome-settings-daemon "Touchpad enable/disable OSD image cannot be displayed in notification area" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87705812:03
didrockssure, let's have a try12:04
seb128didrocks, 'ci ;-)12:04
seb128none of my boxes have a key for that12:04
didrocksseb128: de rien :)12:04
didrockswell, my latest (which is my personal one) have one12:04
didrocksI was just lazying not upgrading it before I need it for UDS12:04
seb128rodrigo_, ok, I can't confirm the power button bug, the power button always display the session dialog for me, using oneiric or the proposed version12:06
seb128hum, interesting, after changing in dconf-editor it behaves differently12:07
didrockskilling gsd and restarting it after the upgrade didn't fix it :/12:08
seb128didrocks, can you get the dbus-monitor --session log I asked for on the bug?12:10
didrocksseb128: trying to get some12:10
seb128rodrigo_, ok, I can confirm the regression bug12:11
rodrigo_seb128, ok12:11
didrockshum, quite spammy with bamf, let me filter that12:12
seb128didrocks, run it, press the hotkey and ctrl-C12:14
seb128bamf should shut up if you don't change focus or anything ;-)12:14
rodrigo_lunch, bbiab12:14
didrocksseb128: no, it doesn't :)12:15
seb128didrocks, bad bamf, no cookie!12:16
seb128rodrigo_, enjoy12:16
didrockspastebining that12:16
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pittiseb128: I suppose some Fn+F<number> combination?12:18
pittiGunnarHj: hello, what's up?12:18
mdeslaurseb128: bug 868358 is a bug in my patch. Should be fixed in the package in -proposed.12:18
ubot2Launchpad bug 868358 in gnome-settings-daemon "hibernate key (fn + 12) triggers suspend on ThinkPad X200s" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/86835812:18
seb128mdeslaur, oh, what it? can you comment on the bug?12:19
mdeslaurseb128: just did12:19
seb128pitti, reply to what question was that?12:19
seb128mdeslaur, thanks12:19
pittiseb128: seb128 | rodrigo_, pitti: do you know what "sleep key" is?12:20
didrocksint32 -112:20
didrocksweird, it seems to set the right attribute, but nothing is passed?12:20
seb128didrocks, http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-settings-daemon/commit/?h=gnome-3-2&id=387df5458a5b63c3b89baf6f58e2c12c2af78d6d12:20
seb128didrocks, it's weird, you still see "touchpad-enabled"12:20
seb128didrocks, can you gnome-settings-daemon --version?12:20
seb128didrocks, if you press it as second time do you get "touchpad disabled"?12:21
seb128mdeslaur, upstream broke suspend though12:21
mdeslaurseb128: d'oh :)12:21
didrocksno, no icon in any case12:21
seb128didrocks, well I mean in the dbus-monitor lo12:21
didrocks--version is unknown12:22
didrocksseb128: I get touchpad-disabled as well the second time12:23
didrocksbut with the same int32 -1 and no icon12:23
seb128didrocks, thanks12:23
didrocksthe dconf key change works though12:23
seb128didrocks, well seems like the commit I pointed is not there12:23
seb128it's still using the old icon names12:23
seb128didrocks, I will investigate, thanks12:24
seb128mdeslaur, http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-settings-daemon/commit/?h=gnome-3-2&id=4e26618b8a0f037bf2fd682a8c771a760d36beef12:24
seb128that's the upstream commit12:24
seb128it hits the12:24
didrocksseb128: clearly yes :/12:24
seb128+ if (result == NULL) {12:24
seb128+ g_warning ("couldn't sleep using UPower: %s",12:24
seb128+ error->message);12:24
seb128where error->message is "The name org.freedesktop.UPower was not provided by any .service files"12:24
didrocksseb128: the issue is in our distro-patch12:26
didrocksit's been refreshed, but not changing the icon name12:26
didrocksrodrigo_: ! :-)12:26
seb128didrocks, it's chrisccoulson's fault!12:27
didrocksof course, as usual ;-)12:27
chrisccoulsonit seems to break with every new version12:27
glatzormvo, http://www.glatzor.de/files/mvo/gpk-update-viewer.png - powered by aptdaemon :)12:27
didrockschrisccoulson: can we have a big machine which sed the source code, kill kittens, and update the patch? :)12:28
didrocksok, I'll pend the change in the vcs12:28
cyphermoxseb128: I was looking at making sure the ui could also use NM, but I had to put that aside12:29
seb128cyphermox, hey12:29
cyphermoxseb128: definitely something to look at again for precise12:29
seb128cyphermox, is that likely to come back this cycle?12:30
cyphermoxhey :)12:30
cyphermoxwith some rework on nm-applet though I can get rid of what I guess is currently the pain point, menu updates?12:31
cyphermoxtbh, to me it feels very clumsy to replace something we already have and that largely works with something brand new which doesn't quite have all the features yet12:32
cyphermox(not to say I'm against improving a lot on what we currently have, there's lots of room for improvement there)12:33
mdeslaurseb128: seems they're connecting to the session bug instead of the system bus...not good.12:35
seb128mdeslaur, yeah, refresh the upstream bug12:36
seb128mdeslaur, I commented there and pinged bastien on #control-center, waiting for a reply from him12:36
mdeslaurseb128: cool12:36
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pittitkamppeter: for bug 877967, do you know which git repo Tim meant?12:43
ubot2Launchpad bug 877967 in cups "avahi leaks dbus connections to the system bus, breaking other apps depending on them" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87796712:43
seb128pitti, http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=cups.git;a=commit;h=a66022689482aa61bce33607d4dbf39a4ab6c34112:44
pittiseb128: oh, he said "fedorapeople" and "15bd402"12:44
seb128pitti, ok, that's their packaging one and the only one I know about12:44
pittiseb128: but thanks, that looks like what he meant12:45
mvoglatzor: woah, you ROCK12:46
mvoglatzor: /me waves bybye to update-manager12:46
seb128mvo, why so much hate? update-manager rocks ;-)12:46
mvoseb128: you want to maintain it ;) *kidding*12:47
seb128mvo, what is the new hype? ;-)12:47
pittitkamppeter: nevermind, found it12:47
mvoseb128: glatzor made aptdaemon speak packagekit12:47
pittiseb128: ah, found http://twaugh.fedorapeople.org/cups-avahi.git/12:47
mvoseb128: i.e. the system bus API12:48
GunnarHjpitti: Back on kb now... nl_langinfo() is used in the language chooser to get language and country names. Do you possibly know a smooth way to translate those strings into the current language?12:48
seb128mvo, nice!12:48
seb128pitti, oh, ok12:48
mvoseb128: glatzor is a certainly made of awesome!12:50
pittiGunnarHj: I think the iso_639 gettext domain has that12:50
* mvo stops being excited and goes back to (boring) tasks12:51
pitti$ gettext -d iso_639 German; echo; gettext -d iso_639 Russian; echo12:51
seb128mvo, seems so ;-)12:51
GunnarHjpitti: Excellent, thanks!12:51
pittiGunnarHj: it's from the iso-codes package which is a good reference and fairly complete12:52
pittiGunnarHj: and we don't strip its translations, so all available translations should be available on any system12:52
mvopitti, GunnarHj: iirc I also had to use iso_639_3 for some stuff, but I might misremembering12:52
pittithe main difference are the XML files12:53
pittiiso 639 is for the two letter codes ("de"), _3 for the three letter locale codes12:53
mvoaha, nice12:53
mvono difference for the gettext stuff then?12:53
pittithe translations _should_ not be different, but not sure12:53
GunnarHjpitti, mvo: I'll take a closer look. Thanks again.12:54
pittihm, they are, though12:54
pitti$ diff -u <(msgunfmt /usr/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/iso_639.mo) <(msgunfmt /usr/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/iso_639_3.mo)12:54
pittiGunnarHj: at least the German translations in _3 are slightly better12:55
GunnarHjpitti, mvo: Does _3 cover also the two letter codes?12:55
GunnarHjThen we'd better use that, I suppose.12:56
pittimvo: are you able to do the verification for bug 874835 with some automatic test case?13:00
ubot2Launchpad bug 874835 in cups "[master] upgrade problem with libcupsys2: "E:Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks"" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87483513:00
pittimvo: I wonder whether to wait with another cups SRU until ^ gets verified, or just upload a followup fix13:00
mvopitti: what other SRU would that be?13:02
pittimvo: for bug 87796713:02
ubot2Launchpad bug 877967 in cups "avahi leaks dbus connections to the system bus, breaking other apps depending on them" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87796713:02
pittimvo: I can just upload an SRU on top of your's, no problem13:02
mvopitti: i can do the verification as soon as its available on the server13:05
seb128didrocks, thanks for the g-s-d icon fix, did you confirm it fixes the empty bubbles?13:09
didrocksseb128: not yet, it's built but I'm waiting for some scp to finish on my netbook first13:10
seb128didrocks, ok, no worry, let me know I will probably upload once I confirm the suspend bug is fixed with the recent git commit13:10
seb128rodrigo_, ^ bastien fixed the regression and I'm backporting the fix13:10
didrocksseb128: still 30 minutes of scp and then, on that :)13:11
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kirklandseb128: sure, i'll take a look13:13
seb128kirkland, hey, thanks13:13
pittirodrigo_, seb128: would you mind if we dropped vala-0.14's /ubuntu bzr branch?13:18
pittibzr bd-do doesn't work with .tar.xz13:19
pittiand at some point we'll just sync with Debian (as soon as they switch to 0.14 by default)13:19
seb128pitti, we will soon have GNOME on .xz so we should rather fix it13:19
seb128pitti, upstream will stop other formats this cycle13:19
pittiI committed my merge13:19
seb128pitti, but I don't especially care for vala no13:19
seb128i.e I'm fine dropping the ubuntu vcs13:20
pittiwell, building the package without bd then13:20
seb128pitti, sorry that went a bit confused13:20
pitti$ tar xf ../vala-0.14_0.14.0.orig.tar.xz --str=113:20
pitti$ debuild13:20
pittithat should do it13:20
seb128- that's fine for a vala, plase drop it13:20
seb128- but we need to fix .xz for this cycle since that's what GNOME will use ;-)13:20
pittiright, understood13:20
cyphermoxmvo: running into another issue with upgrading a newly-installed natty box to oneiric... today, check-new-release-gtk gives a 404 error :)13:24
cyphermoxmvo: /ubuntu/dists/oneiric-proposed/main/dist-upgrader-all/ 404s; in fact, doesn't exist there... not sure why it goes to look for it in oneiric-proposed either.13:26
desrtseb128: so... remember CarlFK from yesterday?13:33
seb128desrt, yes13:34
desrtdo you know what his problem was, in the end?13:34
desrthe typed 'apt-get install dconf'13:34
desrtcan we please fix that already?13:34
seb128srly? ;-)13:34
seb128desrt, next time pick a name not already used? ;-)13:35
desrthere's his paste from yesterday that finally made me realise the problem: http://dpaste.de/PcqrQ/13:36
pittiwhat about 𝛿conf?13:36
desrtpitti: check your utf8, plz :)13:36
pittidesrt: check, WFM :)13:36
desrtseb128: while you're at it, can you rename epiphany to epiphany-game?13:36
desrtyou're a DD!  you have these powers!13:37
* desrt is relatively certain that at least 1000 hours of wasted time has been the result of these two package naming problems13:37
seb128desrt, yeah, those name conflicts are annoying13:37
desrt(most of that wasted by people playing the epiphany game after accidentally installing it) ;)13:38
chrisccoulsonɟuoɔp ?13:38
desrti'm sure apt supports non-ascii package names these days13:39
mvocyphermox: thanks, I check this now13:45
cyphermoxmvo: thanks13:48
mvocyphermox: thanks, should be fixed now13:49
seb128didrocks, ok, I'm uploading the g-s-d update if you don't stop me by saying that the notify-osd fix didn't work ;-)13:51
didrocksseb128: still copying for 3 minutes, you should be patient!13:51
didrocksseb128: I'm particularly wondering if the icons have not been interverted in the previous patch13:51
seb128didrocks, you said half an hour 50 minutes ago ;-)13:51
didrocksso better than I test that making this upload13:51
didrocksseb128: well, tell that to my network…13:52
seb128didrocks, but yeah I can wait a bit longer13:52
didrocksthe scp is still not finished13:52
seb128didrocks, no hurry take your time, I rather wanted to avoid that you feel like you have to test it if you are busy with other things13:52
didrocks(and it's 40 minutes for the record :p)13:52
seb128didrocks, but if you want to test it no hurry waiting for you13:52
didrocksI prefer to test it, I tried without rebooting13:53
didrocksand I had the impression that the icons are mixed13:53
didrocksI built the other way around13:53
didrocksand, as it happens a lot, my mouse blocked…13:53
rodrigo_seb128, have you already backported the fix for the g-s-d issue?13:57
seb128rodrigo_, yes13:57
seb128rodrigo_, and I tested it on my netbook, the fix works13:58
seb128rodrigo_, I pushed if you want to give it a try, didrocks fixed the notify-osd,touchpad issue as well (still needs him to confirm that it works before uploading though)13:59
rodrigo_yeah, saw that also, I'll do a test with both13:59
seb128rodrigo_, ok, just pull and build14:00
seb128extra testing is welcome ;-)14:00
didrocksthe ETA of scp is taking longer longer and longer… :/14:00
seb128didrocks, don't worry there is no hurry14:00
CarlFKdesrt: morning... something not working.  to see if 'dconf update' is finding my file, I am trying to 'dconf watch' one of the keys I am setting, but I don't see anything when I set that key with gsettings...14:04
CarlFKdconf watch /org/gnome/desktop/screensaver; gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.screensaver lock-delay 1014:05
desrtCarlFK: dconf is very precise about the meaning of a trailing slash14:05
desrt /x/y/z means "specifically, the key /x/y/z"14:05
desrt /x/y/z/ means "all keys under the directory /x/y/z/"14:05
desrtthrow a / after screensaver -- should fix it14:05
CarlFKdesrt: bingo.14:06
CarlFKok, so gsettings sets it, watch sees it.  dconf update does not. head /etc/dconf/db/site.d/local.dconf; [org/gnome/desktop/screensaver]; lock-delay=1014:12
CarlFKI get errors if I mangle the lines, so it is parsing the file14:12
rickspencer3chrisccoulson, hey, quick question ...14:18
chrisccoulsonhi rickspencer314:18
rickspencer3both huats and I have separately hit a weird issue with flash, wherein we can't click on the flash properties dialog14:18
rickspencer3so, for example, we can't give flash permissions to access local resources14:19
rickspencer3chrisccoulson, ring a bell at all?14:19
huatsrickspencer3, that is exactly my issue14:19
chrisccoulsonrickspencer3, no, i don't even have flash installed14:19
rickspencer3huats, did it happen to you with Firefox?14:19
rickspencer3it just occurred to me that it happened to me with a webkit webview\14:20
huatsrickspencer3, FF and chrome14:20
chrisccoulsonflash bug then ;)14:20
chrisccoulsondoes it have its own window, or is it drawn in the browser window?14:20
chrisccoulsoni guess i could install flash and try it14:20
rickspencer3chrisccoulson, they try to make it look like it's own window, but I think it's part of hte flash scene14:21
rickspencer3chrisccoulson, this blocks people from using Ubuntu for a lot of business applications14:21
rickspencer3ones that require microphones and stuff, for example14:21
huatschrisccoulson, if you want I can give access to such an application14:22
huatsso that you can test it14:22
chrisccoulsonhuats, it's ok, i just installed flash and reproduced it on youtube14:22
huatsok !14:22
chrisccoulsoni got the issue then the flash plugin crashed14:22
chrisccoulsonok, i still get the issue even with it running in process14:24
chrisccoulsonthis is really a flash bug14:24
rickspencer3chrisccoulson, may I ask you to follow up on getting that bug logged and such?14:38
rickspencer3I'm sure Adobe will get right on ignoring it14:38
rickspencer3no offense Adobe14:38
chrisccoulsonrickspencer3, i can talk to iamfuzz about that14:38
rickspencer3sorry, really14:38
rickspencer3thanks chrisccoulson14:38
chrisccoulsoni think he will know what to do14:38
rickspencer3huats, ^14:38
smspillazrickspencer3: that could actually be a compiz thing14:40
rickspencer3smspillaz, I was wondering about that, tbh14:40
rickspencer3but didn't want to say14:40
mdeslaurfyi, bug 86567214:40
ubot2Launchpad bug 865672 in adobe-flashplugin "Adobe flash settings 'allow-deny' dialogue does not respond" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/86567214:41
smspillazrickspencer3: there's some ... funky interactions that usually have to go on between window managers and embedded windows14:41
smspillazrickspencer3: is there a site I can go to to quickly test?14:41
rickspencer3huats, I think if you retest your scenario with Unity 2d, and it doesn't happen, then it's comiz, right smspillaz?14:41
smspillaz(not really working this week, but I can quickly triage)14:41
didrocksthe easiest way to know is to run unity-2d and try there14:41
smspillazrickspencer3: it depends, could be a number of things14:41
smspillaztrial and error is never really a good indicator14:41
huatssmspillaz, you can go to http://visio.objectif-libre.com14:42
huatsit is on my own server14:42
huatsso give a nick14:42
huatsand then click on the icon of the webcam14:42
huatsor the headphone14:42
rickspencer3smspillaz, go here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGhExssWyE014:42
rickspencer3right click on the youtube video14:42
rickspencer3pick settings ...14:43
smspillazhappens with metacity too hmm14:43
rickspencer3and then click close ...14:43
chrisccoulsonmdeslaur, thanks14:43
smspillazgod I hate flash14:46
chrisccoulsonme too14:46
smspillazI remember when I implemented a standard properly in compiz flash started randomly crashing14:47
chrisccoulsonthat's why i don't normally have it installed14:47
smspillazI traced it down to the fact that apparantly every other window manager has worked around flash doing the wrong thing14:47
smspillazand nobody ever fixed the stupid behaviour that it was doing14:47
rickspencer3chrisccoulson, I can still watch Taylor switch videos, so the bug is just "Medium" I think14:47
smspillazflash is giving up the input focus as soon as it gets it14:48
chrisccoulsonrickspencer3, did you mean Taylor Swift?14:48
smspillazI don't even ....14:48
rickspencer3tbh, the fact that I can watch Taylor Swift might be considered a serious bug in Flash by many14:49
rickspencer3smspillaz, I have a 12 year old daughter14:49
seb128rodrigo_, did you try the g-s-d update?14:49
rodrigo_seb128, building and installing now14:50
smspillazrickspencer3: hrm14:50
smspillazrickspencer3: I'll have to put some debugging code into compiz at some point and figure out where the input focus is going. This happened with metacity too though14:50
seb128rodrigo_, didrocks says the touchpad osd icons are opposite to the status, he's inverting them, can you confirm it was buggy for you as well?14:50
rickspencer3smspillaz, "if str.contains("Taylor Swift") return;" ?14:51
didrocksyeah, confirmation would be nice :)14:51
* didrocks rebuilds once more to ensure14:51
smspillazrickspencer3: kwin too14:51
rickspencer3smspillaz, kwin has the bug?14:51
smspillazrickspencer3: kwin has tons of bugs14:51
smspillazas does metacity and compiz14:52
rickspencer3there must be a work around14:52
smspillazwindow managers are *hard* to write :p14:52
smspillazrickspencer3: not really, it looks like flash is just doing something stupid here14:52
chrisccoulsonrickspencer3, i cloned the Bugs/Importance wiki page, and created a mozilla team one with the extra criteria on - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/Importance14:52
smspillazrickspencer3: its difficult to tell with external debugging tools because of the fact that external clients can't check if another client is getting button events, but at least flash seems to be activating capturing mouse input so that xev cant get it14:53
chrisccoulsonCritical: Prevents Rick from watching Taylor Swift videos :)14:53
rodrigo_seb128, hmm, it shows a monitor14:53
smspillazand it also moves the input focus off of its own windows14:53
smspillazso my guess is that it is just doing something stupid14:53
rodrigo_seb128, for volume it seems to be ok14:53
didrocksrodrigo_: monitor? it's a touchpad with 2 buttons under it14:53
rodrigo_ah sorry, touchpad :-)14:54
rodrigo_I just read the "OSD icons" part14:54
didrocksrodrigo_: is the order right for your from the vcs?14:54
didrocksrodrigo_: like, you see the crossed touchpad when it's deactivated?14:54
smspillazrickspencer3: also, flash doesn't really create any new windows afaict when that settings box opens and it captures mouse input just fine when that box isn't open14:54
rodrigo_didrocks, not running the git version, but will try later14:56
didrocksrodrigo_: ? I meant the packaging version14:56
seb128rodrigo_, don't try git, the notify-osd patches are ubuntu specific14:56
rodrigo_didrocks, ah14:56
seb128rodrigo_, well, with the one you just built does the touchpad,cross-touchpad icons correspond to the right status on,off?14:57
didrocksseb128: I confirm that I needed to inverse14:57
seb128didrocks, yeah, let's get a confirmation from rodrigo_ that it's not your hardware being weird ;-)14:57
didrocksmy hardware is nice and shiny!14:57
CarlFKdesrt:  ok, so gsettings sets it, watch sees it.  dconf update does not. head /etc/dconf/db/site.d/local.dconf; [org/gnome/desktop/screensaver]; lock-delay=10; I get errors if I mangle the lines, so it is parsing the file.14:58
rodrigo_need to log out and in, brb14:58
desrtCarlFK: curious.14:58
seb128desrt, do you have any clue why d-conf triggers apport bugs like this after login (it doesn't seem to like something lightdm is doing): https://launchpadlibrarian.net/81584264/Stacktrace.txt14:59
seb128desrt, hum, I guess it's a permission issue in the lightdm dir15:00
rodrigo__didrocks, I see the crossed touchpad when deactivated15:02
didrocksrodrigo__: so you get the right order15:02
didrockswhy isn't it the case here? :/15:03
didrocksseb128: I would say, push it like it is then15:03
didrocksbut I'm really puzzled15:03
seb128didrocks, rodrigo_ uses gnome-shell15:04
seb128rodrigo_, do you use notify-osd?15:04
seb128or gnome-shell?15:04
rodrigo_yes, with gnome-shell15:04
didrocksoh, you think he didn't?15:04
didrocksrodrigo_: bad! :)15:04
didrocksrodrigo_: can you try in unity?15:04
seb128you are not excercising the same codepath15:04
didrocksjust to confirm15:04
didrocksand not driving me crazy :)15:04
rodrigo_seb128, I think it is notify-osd, yes15:07
rodrigo_seb128, the big osd icons in the middle of the screen, right?15:07
seb128rodrigo_, no15:07
seb128rodrigo_, notify-osd is the one in the top right corner15:07
rodrigo_seb128, ah, no then15:08
seb128rodrigo_, can you try opening an unity guest session from the lightdm login screen to test under unity (or unity-2d)?15:08
rodrigo_seb128, yes, sure15:08
seb128rodrigo_, thanks15:08
seb128I would test if there was a way to bind a keybinding to that action15:09
seb128but it's either you have the function key on your keyboard or not and I don't so I can't test15:09
seb128didrocks, do you want to upload or should I do it?15:12
rodrigo_seb128, didrocks: hhm, I just found out I can't disable the touchpad via a key, I was hitting the the wrong one it seems15:18
rodrigo_on gnome-shell, it shows something like a touchpad with a cross15:18
rodrigo_on unity nothing15:18
rodrigo_but the effect is not to activate/deactivate the touchpad15:19
seb128what is it?15:19
rodrigo_dims the screen15:19
rodrigo_didn't see it on gnome-shell because it was already dimmed completely15:19
CarlFKdesrt: should there be any difference between "sudo gsettings monitor org.gnome.desktop.screensaver" and "sudo dconf watch /org/gnome/desktop/screensaver/"  ?15:19
seb128rodrigo_, ok15:19
rodrigo_it has a weird sticker though15:20
desrtCarlFK: you should not run either of those with sudo15:20
didrocksseb128: not quite sure what we sohuld do then :)15:23
seb128didrocks, just upload15:23
didrocksseb128: ok, doing now15:23
seb128didrocks, thanks15:23
didrockswe'll see if people argues about inverted icons15:23
seb128thanks ping pitti for review15:24
didrocksbut mine was working fine on natty15:24
didrocksso I assume I have the "right order"15:24
seb128yeah, chrisccoulson refreshed the notify osd patch several times this cycle15:24
seb128so I blame him15:24
didrockssame for me, I totally blame him15:24
chrisccoulsonwell, i basically rewrote it ;)15:24
didrockschrisccoulson: how dare you! :-)15:24
chrisccoulsonso it probably is my fault15:24
didrockswell, from the logic, the inversion makes sense15:25
didrocksso, let's say I'm logic enough :)15:25
didrocksseb128: not subscribing ubuntu-sru on your bug? how a bad guy you are! :-)15:26
seb128didrocks, well, I will do that now, I didn't add testcases either15:27
seb128didrocks, I'm doing it15:27
didrocksthanks! :)15:27
didrocksI added the team15:27
didrockspitti: g-s-d uploaded. if you want to confirm if you have touchpad activation/deactivation keys that the icons are now properly shown…15:29
pittididrocks: thanks; unless RAOF or SpammapS get to it before me, I'll re-process SRUs tomorrow morning15:30
pittineed to finish up the thing I'm working on, and then run out for TKD15:30
didrockssure, no hurry I guess15:30
CarlFKdesrt: i get different results with/without sudo - I am guessing it is scoped to the current user?15:30
desrtyes.  definitely.15:31
desrti wonder if some dbus security policy is causing the signals from the system bus not to be picked up15:31
seb128pitti, sorry for the direct ping but it fixes the previous SRU which broke suspend15:31
seb128didrocks, oh btw did you -v to include both changelog entries?15:32
didrocksseb128: *ahem* of course15:32
* didrocks hurry to reject it :)15:32
didrocksdidn't see it was a following upload15:32
seb128didrocks, yeah, it's to fix regression from the previous one15:32
seb128see it's not only you and gedit :p15:33
seb128well, which turned to be pygobject bog ;-)15:33
didrocksseb128: yeah, not for this one, but I got my shared with compiz, cpm, unity… :-)15:33
didrocksright changelog uploaded now.15:34
didrocks(said differently: it never happened)15:34
chrisccoulsonunloading gobject based libraries from a process isn't a clever idea is it?15:39
seb128chrisccoulson, it's probably not no ;-)15:41
seb128I'm sure desrt can give you reasons why it's not ;-)15:41
chrisccoulsonyeah, i already know why. it was more of a rhetorical question ;)15:43
chrisccoulsoni just got bitten by it in firefox15:43
chrisccoulsoni made it crash by unloading libunity :)15:43
chrisccoulsonunityfox is restartless now, and i made it unload libunity when you disable the addon in the addon manager15:45
chrisccoulsoni probably should not do that15:45
CarlFKdesrt: sudo dconf update" updates the system config.   "sudo gsettings set ..." sets the root users config.  "sudo gsettings monitor org.gnome.desktop.screensaver" seems to monitor both system and root, "gsettings monitor..." only monitors the user.15:47
CarlFKdesrt: and I am getting lost trying to compare this to "dconf watch"  which seems to be different15:49
pittigood night everyone!15:52
didrockshave a good evening pitti!15:53
seb128'night pitti15:53
chrisccoulsonmpt - what's your account on bugzilla.mozilla.org?15:54
mptchrisccoulson, mpt postinbox com15:55
chrisccoulsonmpt - found it, thanks15:55
chrisccoulsoni just saw someone talking about notifications, so i subscribed you to the bug ;)15:56
chrisccoulsonmozilla bug 62928015:56
ubot2Mozilla bug 629280 in General "Show W3C Desktop Notifications" [Normal,New: ] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62928015:56
CarlFKdesrt: never mind that for now, I think my random use of gsettings is mucking up my debugging efforts.  I think the problem was needing a trailing slash in [org/gnome/settings-daemon/plugins/power/] - I am running install with that, if it works, done is good.15:56
mptchrisccoulson, thanks15:57
mvochrisccoulson: postinbox.com?15:58
mvooh, nevermind15:58
CarlFKdesrt: should there be a trailing slash in my file: [org/gnome/desktop/screensaver/]  ?16:47
CarlFKI thought that worked, then I re-installed, now I am seeing: sudo dconf update; /etc/dconf/db/site.d/local.dconf: ignoring invalid group name: org/gnome/desktop/screensaver/16:47
desrtgroup names drop slashes on either side in keyfiles16:49
CarlFKdesrt: how can I see what the system setting is, as opposed to root's or user's, which if it isn't locked can be different16:53
desrtCarlFK: not easily16:53
CarlFKswell :)16:53
jbichaideally that would show in dconf-editor, right?16:53
desrti think so16:53
jbichaCarlFK: you can file a bug ^ :)16:54
desrtbut if you want to do it from the GSettings API you need to create a GSettings object, call g_settings_delay() on it then reset the keys you are interested in16:54
desrtthen you will see the default value without actually having to commit the reset16:54
didrockssee you tomorrow guys!16:55
sroeckeris gnome-screensaver responsible for dimming the screen on locking?17:09
sroeckerah, seems to be g-s-d now17:16
tkamppeterAny USB expert around to have a look into bug 872483?17:19
ubot2Launchpad bug 872483 in cups "laser printer only prints first job correct" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87248317:19
chrisccoulsonseb128, did you get your inbox unread count down to zero yet? :)17:24
seb128chrisccoulson, yeah, but not bug today ... not sure if I'm lucky or what17:24
seb128chrisccoulson, is your version supposed to fix the issue or just to add debug?17:24
chrisccoulsonseb128, well, i made a change which might fix the issue, if it's what i think it is17:25
chrisccoulsonbut i'm still not sure17:25
seb128how do I check I'm running your version and not the system one to start? ;-)17:25
seb128because I think I'm running it but I might not be :p17:25
seb128I installed it from tb by selecting the xpi17:25
seb128not sure if that takes over the default one?17:26
chrisccoulsonseb128, what's the version in the addons manager?17:26
chrisccoulsonthat's ok then :)17:26
seb128how do I turn debug on btw? I forgot to do that17:26
chrisccoulsonin the config editor, you can set "extensions.logging.enabled" to true17:27
chrisccoulsonthat's in the advanced pane of the preferences window17:27
seb128got it17:27
seb128set to true17:28
seb128chrisccoulson, that new version of yours seem to work weirdly, when is it supposed to reset counts?17:31
seb128before it did when I was reading my emails17:32
seb128like if I had 25 unread bug emails the count was to 25, and was getting down one by one while I was reading them17:32
seb128not it seems to flush the box count as soon as I open the box or read the first one17:32
CarlFKjbicha: what's the bug?17:35
seb128chrisccoulson, that update doesn't work, I want my money back ;-)17:41
tkamppeterpitti, still there?17:46
seb128tkamppeter, he called it a bit earlier17:46
tkamppeterseb128, thanks, found it. It is about the CUPS SRU, I have an additional fix to include.17:50
CarlFKdesrt: looks like my post install script dconf update is working.  thanks for the help.18:05
desrtno problems18:06
desrtenjoy :)18:06
CarlFKdesrt: although this isn't com/canonical/indicator/datetime] custom-time-format='%H:%M:%S'  shouldn't that give me 24h time?18:06
CarlFKlooking at docs I am thinking I need to set some other key='custom' or something18:06
desrti'm not familiar with those particular settings18:11
desrtbest to run that by someone else :)18:11
CarlFKhey time lords, how do I set the clock to 24h?18:14
CarlFKhmm, found the gui... dump, change, dump, diff...18:14
CarlFKright.  com.canonical.indicator.datetime time-format '24-hour'18:15
seb128pedro_, hey18:40
seb128pedro_, the janitor is working on Ubuntu bugs, you don't need to bother closing them yourself nowadays18:40
pedro_i don't is just an script ;-)18:41
pedro_i officially hate sourceforge BTS18:43
desrtsourceforge's BTS is real?18:43
desrti always thought it was an elaberate troll18:43
pedro_oh well.. libical seems to be using that now18:44
CarlFK"incomplete language support" dialog - what's that about, and how can I prevent it?19:16
seb128CarlFK, it's about installing proper support for your locale (i.e dictionnaries, input methods)19:20
seb128CarlFK, the CD doesn't have enough space for those19:21
CarlFKwhat packages does it need?19:21
CarlFKor, is there some setting so it won't come up.19:22
seb128CarlFK, the ui is gnome-language-selector, I'm not sure what calls it19:23
seb128it's likely that pitti or mvo would know but it's after their work hours19:24
seb128so maybe try tomorrow during european day19:24
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desrtchrisccoulson: hey22:31
CarlFKdesrt: um.. I kid you not: my settings do not survive a reboot23:09
CarlFKinstall.. dconf update, reboot installer.  new system comes up, screen saver disabled.  don't touch anything!  20 min later, reboot.  now screen saver enabled.23:10
CarlFKyes, neat.  exactly the word I was thinking.23:10
desrtdid you lock down the settings?23:12
CarlFKdesrt: um.. sudo dconf update, read /org/gnome/desktop/screensaver/idle-activation-enabled; false.  reboot, read, still false.23:23
desrtCarlFK: it's probably because something in the session set it back to false23:24
desrtCarlFK: try locking it down on the system side23:24
desrtor do dconf reset /org/gnome/desktop/screensaver/idle-activation-enabled23:24
desrtto see if that resets it to your default value23:24
CarlFKdesrt: k.23:28

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