[01:22] <micahg> TheMuso: libatk1.0-dev seems to be uninstallable in precise, could you have a look?
[01:23] <TheMuso> micahg: Sure.
[01:23] <micahg> TheMuso: thanks
[01:30] <TheMuso> micahg: Architecture skew. I synced atk earlier, and amd64 doesn't have new packages published yet, whereas i386 does.
[01:31] <micahg> TheMuso: ah, ok, thanks, I guess I should check on that first :), makes sense with a build queue a half day long :-/
[01:31] <TheMuso> Yup.
[01:55] <CarlFK> desrt: trying to do what you suggested, now X doesn't start.  post install script: https://github.com/CarlFK/veyepar/blob/master/setup/scripts/late.sh#L33
[01:57] <CarlFK> found this in syslog:  Unable to open '/etc/dconf/db/site', specified in dconf profile#012#012aborting...
[02:05] <TheMuso> 3~/c
[02:57] <desrt> CarlFK: did you remember 'dconf update'?
[03:04] <CarlFK> desrt: yep
[03:04] <desrt> and that didn't generate the site file from the contents of the site.d directory?
[03:05] <CarlFK> correct
[03:05] <desrt> can you type this:
[03:05] <desrt> grep -r . /etc/dconf
[03:05] <desrt> and pastebin the result?
[03:06] <CarlFK> http://dpaste.de/0mLBr/
[03:07] <desrt> does 'dconf update' give any errors when you run it?
[03:08] <CarlFK> http://dpaste.de/PcqrQ/
[03:08] <desrt> wtf?
[03:09] <desrt> uhhh.  that's not dconf.
[03:09]  * desrt suddenly understands the problem
[03:09] <desrt> there is a package called 'dconf' that nobody ever uses
[03:09] <desrt> i bet you installed it
[03:10] <desrt> i think the package you wanted was 'dconf-bin', rather
[03:10] <CarlFK> yeah, cuz otherwise I get "command not found"
[03:10] <CarlFK> ah
[03:10] <desrt> you also want to yell at seb128 tomorrow as soon as he logs in
[03:10] <desrt> tell him i sent my love :)
[03:11] <CarlFK> dconf-bin or -tools?
[03:12] <CarlFK> tools.
[03:13] <desrt> sorry
[03:13] <desrt> my bad :)
[03:13] <CarlFK> /etc/dconf/db/site.d/local.dconf: Key file contains line 'lock-enabled false' which is not a key-value pair, group, or comment
[03:13] <CarlFK> ahh, missed the =
[03:14] <desrt> now you're in business :)
[03:14] <desrt> i expect things will start working much better for you very very soon
[03:14] <CarlFK> seems so.  thanks for the help
[03:14] <desrt> CarlFK: remember to flame seb :)
[03:15] <CarlFK> um.. what am I yelling at him about?
[03:15] <desrt> something along the lines of "i wasted hours because i installed this package called 'dconf' assuming that it would be dconf"
[03:15] <desrt> =)
[03:15] <CarlFK> heh
[03:15]  * desrt tried to get him to ditch that old package a long time ago
[03:15] <CarlFK> but the dconf dconf has a funny man page
[03:15] <desrt> there's a similar problem with a package called 'epiphany'
[03:16] <desrt> the only reason anyone ever installs that package is by accident because they intended to install the package called 'epiphany-browser
[03:16] <desrt> '
[03:18] <CarlFK> juser@kasp:/etc$ sudo dconf update; Error opening directory '/etc/dconf/db/site.d/locks': No such file or directory
[03:18] <desrt> i find that curious
[03:18] <desrt> what version of ubuntu are you running?
[03:18] <CarlFK> oneiric
[03:18] <desrt> i find that *very* curious
[03:18] <desrt> well
[03:19] <desrt> make that directory...
[03:19] <desrt> but that really shouldn't be required
[03:20] <desrt> i think i see the problem
[03:20] <desrt> CarlFK: please file a bug about this one
[03:21] <desrt> i guess nobody hit it before because people usually only use this mechanism for doing lockdown
[03:21] <desrt> and then there's always a locks directory
[03:21] <CarlFK> package: dconf ? :)
[03:21] <desrt> on bugzilla.gnome.org, yes
[03:21] <CarlFK> ah, there - I am used to lp
[03:24] <CarlFK> what version is this?
[03:24] <desrt> it's in master
[03:28] <CarlFK> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=662158
[03:28] <ubot2> Gnome bug 662158 in dconf "dconf update requires /etc/dconf/db/site.d/locks" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[03:31] <TheMuso> desrt: I thought the dconf update command was only for system wide db updating. How can that be used per user?
[03:33] <desrt> it can't
[03:33] <desrt> CarlFK is setting up system defaults
[03:35] <CarlFK> seems it all worked manually, now lets see if got my script all set right.. install started.. time to play Monsters for a while
[03:35] <TheMuso> desrt: Hrm ok, I was referring to the bug I filed about being able to create/update the db for indivual users. I'll follow up there.
[03:36] <desrt> ah.  that was you :)
[03:36] <TheMuso> Yes.
[03:37] <desrt> CarlFK: good luck :)
[03:37] <desrt> hopefully you don't find some other silly issue
[03:37] <desrt> CarlFK: i appreciate the testing though, so thanks for that
[03:37] <desrt> i think you're the first person i know of who has tried to do this from an installer script
[03:49] <desrt> CarlFK: heading to bed now.  let me know if you hit any more bumps.
[03:49] <desrt> nite
[03:49] <CarlFK> desrt: welcome.  I ve done..
[03:49] <CarlFK> dev before, know the value.. tests and bug reports are a way for me to give back
[03:49] <CarlFK> see ya
[04:23] <pitti> Good morning
[04:24] <RAOF> Heya pitti
[04:24] <pitti> hey RAOF
[04:25] <RAOF> How do you get through the gnome update SRUs so quickly? :)
[04:25] <pitti> RAOF: most of the diff is just autofoo and documentation noise usually
[04:26] <RAOF> This is true.
[04:26] <infinity> pitti: That was your chance to claim super powers, and you just blew it.
[04:26] <pitti> that, and /^--- [Enter] in vim :)
[04:27] <pitti> (i. e. jump to the next file in the diff)
[04:27]  * infinity does the same thing...
[04:27] <pitti> but at some point queuediff should grow some filter options which pipe the thing through filterdiff
[04:28] <pitti> dropping autofoo, po file, and doc stuff
[04:28] <infinity> I dunno.
[04:28] <infinity> That's asking to enshrine sketchy practices. :P
[04:29] <infinity> I still quickly eyeball changes to configure to make sure it just looks like an version bump rebuild, etc.
[04:29] <pitti> RAOF: but I didn't actually do SRU reviews today yet; the current bunch was from Clint or you, judging by the time
[04:30] <pitti> ah, I mostly just look at configure.ac for that
[04:30] <infinity> Sometimes, the entire change to a package it within autotools (say, changing some linking options or something).
[04:30] <RAOF> Yeah, from me.
[04:30] <infinity> pitti: Oh, fair enough, dropping configure but looking at the pre-gen files is sane.
[04:30] <pitti> infinity: oh, absolutely, yes; configure.ac changes are very important
[04:30] <pitti> new dependencies and all that
[04:30] <infinity> pitti: Or, it's mostly sane now that very few packages touch configure directly and then do the painful touch dance. :P
[04:31] <infinity> (I'm sure some still do)
[04:32] <pitti> dh_autoreconf was certainly a good invention
[05:05] <pitti> RAOF: ok, oneiric unapproved once again down to 2 (which are blocked)
[05:06] <pitti> madness, I say
[05:36] <didrocks> good morning
[05:38] <RAOF> Hey didrocks
[05:39] <didrocks> hey RAOF, how are you?
[05:39] <RAOF> Ok
[05:39] <RAOF> Your fine self?
[05:40] <didrocks> I'm fine as well, thanks!
[06:00] <didrocks> RAOF: pitti: urgh, sorry for the apport hook in g-p-m. I was trying to rebase the branch to not remove it and reintegrate the change afterward (see the packaging branch), seems I missed something :/
[06:04] <pitti> didrocks: no worries; it's really useless, so I accepted it
[06:05] <pitti> there, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise?searchtext=desktop-p- :)
[06:05] <didrocks> yeah, still sorry for it! :)
[06:33] <tkamppeter> pitti, hi
[06:33] <pitti> hey tkamppeter
[06:35] <tkamppeter> pitti, jasoncwarner_, it is about the Blueprints. Jason has opened https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-p-system-config-printer whereas I had already opened https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-p-system-config-printer-vs-gnome-3-control-center. Are they not duplicate?
[06:35] <pitti> tkamppeter: they certainly are
[06:36] <pitti> tkamppeter: I'll close jason's
[06:36] <tkamppeter> pitti, should we continue with https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-p-system-config-printer-vs-gnome-3-control-center, it contains more info.
[06:36] <tkamppeter> pitti, I will make Jason essential participant of mine, seems that I have forgotten that.
[06:37] <pitti> tkamppeter: done, I re-targetted to precise
[06:37] <pitti> tkamppeter: and reopened to "discussion'
[06:39] <tkamppeter> pitti, thanks.
[06:41] <didrocks> pitti: should I register a blueprint for the polish work? "Small things matters, polish needed!" about all the small things that would be nice to tackle in Precise? (not sure it needs a session though)
[06:41] <tkamppeter> pitti, all my blueprints got accepted into the UDS, except https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-p-google-cloud-print-integration. Does it mean that this one is rejected or do I have to wait until it gets processed?
[06:42] <tkamppeter> pitti, and is "desktop" the right track for Google Cloud Print Integration and Common Printing Dialog? Or is there something special for the DX team?
[06:43] <pitti> tkamppeter: desktop track sounds right for this
[06:44] <pitti> tkamppeter: accepted cloud printing for uds-p, too
[06:44] <TheMuso> didrocks: Speaking of pollish, could you please add notes of what you found when working with the French locl etc for accessibility when installing oneiric to the accessibility pollish blueprint?
[06:44] <tkamppeter> pitti, thanks.
[06:44] <TheMuso> didrocks:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-p-accessibility-polish
[06:46] <didrocks> TheMuso: I'll add them to one of them, right. However, a lot of things changed for Oneiric
[06:46] <didrocks> TheMuso: I guess the report from the a11y on planet ubuntu covers most of it
[06:46] <didrocks> like even if you enabled a11y with screen reader, orca isn't launched
[06:47] <TheMuso> didrocks: Oh ok, I thought you were talking about Oneiric in your email to ubuntu-desktop.
[06:47] <didrocks> TheMuso: no, we tested on natty
[06:48] <TheMuso> Ok.
[06:56] <didrocks> pitti: looks good? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-p-desktop-polish
[06:57] <didrocks> pitti: I really think it doesn't need discussion at UDS, just a place holder where people can put their thought and have WI
[06:58] <pitti> didrocks: sure, I declined your uds-p proposal :)
[06:58] <didrocks> oupsss, autotyping :)
[06:58] <pitti> didrocks: updated the other properties
[06:58] <pitti> didrocks: targetting to precise, etc; looks ok to you?
[06:58] <didrocks> pitti: looks good! Thanks, I'll send an email as well
[07:12] <pitti> RAOF: if you have a minute, perhaps you can review pygobject for bug 877397 ?
[07:12] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 877397 in pygobject "gedit in -proposed breaks snippets plugin" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/877397
[07:13] <pitti> (I uploaded it, so I can't accept it)
[07:17] <didrocks> pitti: oh, you fixed it or workaround without using GObject(Type=) ?
[07:17] <pitti> didrocks: it's fixed
[07:18] <pitti> didrocks: already got fixed upstream in pygobject by nacho
[07:18] <didrocks> excellent! :)
[07:18] <pitti> gedit works fine now
[07:18] <ajmitch> has the fix for bug 855402 landed in upstream git?
[07:18] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 855402 in unity "Python lenses segfault with pygobject3" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/855402
[07:19] <didrocks> ajmitch: not yet, tomeu had some concerns with the patch that kamstrup fixed, it's pending another review AFAIK
[07:20] <ajmitch> ok
[07:20] <kamstrup> ajmitch, didrocks: correct. Although davidcalle has reported that the patch works for him
[07:20]  * ajmitch is using pygobject with the patch applied at the moment to get some lenses working
[07:20] <kamstrup> maybe we should stick a patched pygobject in some pa for easy testing?
[07:21] <kamstrup> didrocks: ^ ?
[07:21] <ajmitch> I have it in mine
[07:21] <kamstrup> ajmitch: oh you have a ppa up?
[07:21] <ajmitch> & the ~askubuntu-tools PPA with a slightly saner version
[07:21] <kamstrup> nice to know
[07:21] <didrocks> kamstrup: all pygobject is pitti, I won't even dare approaching this :-)
[07:21] <kamstrup> didrocks: hehe, ok :-)
[07:21] <ajmitch> it should be applied on top of the SRU that pitti just uploaded though :)
[07:21] <pitti> ajmitch: no, not yet
[07:22] <pitti> kamstrup: upstream didn't like it, or did tomeu/J5 not get around to reviewing it yet?
[07:22] <kamstrup> ajmitch: but it's very nice to know that the patch is receiving field testing. If you see any leaks or crashes be sure to report them
[07:23] <ajmitch> kamstrup: sure, though most lens problems that I'm having are with the code I'm writing :)
[07:23] <kamstrup> pitti: it hasn't been reviewed yet, despite me punking. I think they want j5 to review but I haven't seen him online since I posted the patch, despite checking daily (and nightly)
[07:24] <kamstrup> pitti: i'll note in the upstream bug that we've had users test it out and they are happy
[07:24]  * ajmitch had wanted to get the askubuntu lens into extras.ubuntu.com prior to UDS
[07:32] <rye> So update manager asked me this: http://ubuntuone.com/0bmLdKBmiDJiyZP6uAR3SF - whether i want to replace defaults.list. I clicked on Changes and got http://ubuntuone.com/0GhdUGbGQBMF0Ot6w0czyF - a bit narrow
[07:35] <kamstrup> dpm: hey there -) any chance we can update the links on dev.u.c to point to the libunity we ship in 11.10?
[07:42] <rodrigo_> morning
[07:42] <pitti> hey rodrigo_
[07:42] <pitti> mvo: guten Morgen
[07:42] <didrocks> good morning rodrigo_
[07:42] <rodrigo_> hi pitti, how are you?
[07:42] <rodrigo_> hi didrocks
[07:42] <pitti> rodrigo_: I'm great, thanks! how about you?
[07:42] <rodrigo_> pitti, fine also, thanks :)
[07:43] <mvo> hey pitti
[07:44] <mvo> guten morgen!
[07:44] <pitti> mvo: wie gehts?
[07:44] <pitti> mvo: I checked update-manager, and it seems postgresql was dropped from the blacklist (bug 871893); was that an accident?
[07:44] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 871893 in update-manager "After upgrading postgresql-databases are not accessible any more" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/871893
[07:45] <mvo> pitti: urgh, sure, I check what happend there and reupload a new version
[07:46] <pitti> mvo: danke sehr; can you please upload with -v to include theh previous SRU changelog?
[07:46] <pitti> mvo: does that need to have full package names, or does it support globs/regexps?
[07:46] <dpm> kamstrup, done, and giraffe also updated to the latest revision (sorry for the delay, I had to fix a couple of things with the doc generator script that calls giraffe)
[07:47] <mvo> pitti: sure, what versions of postgres? or all of them, i.e. ^postgresql-.*" ?
[07:47] <pitti> mvo: yes, all of them
[07:47] <pitti> also the packaged extensions
[07:47] <pitti> mvo: ^postgresql-.* might catch some extra stuff, but looks good as a first start
[07:48] <mvo> pitti: what will the extensions look like? (sorry for my ignorance)
[07:48] <pitti> postgresql-plpython-8.4, postgresql-9.1-postgis, etc.
[07:48] <pitti> ^postgresql-.-*\d\.\d.*
[07:48] <pitti> perhaps?
[07:49] <pitti> ^postgresql-.-*[0-9]\.[0-9].*
[07:49] <pitti> if it doesn't support \d
[07:49] <pitti> erk
[07:49] <pitti> ^postgresql-.*-[0-9]\.[0-9].*
[07:49] <pitti> still no cigar, doesn't match postgresql-9.1
[07:50] <pitti> ^postgresql-.*[0-9]\.[0-9].*
[07:50] <pitti> mvo: ^ that seems to work fine with apt-cache search
[07:51] <mvo> pitti: yeah, this looks good, adding it now, thanks!
[07:51] <pitti> mvo: thanks to you!
[07:59] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[07:59] <didrocks> good morning chrisccoulson!
[07:59] <chrisccoulson> hi didrocks, how are you?
[08:00] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: I'm fine, thanks, yourself?
[08:02] <seb128> hey
[08:02] <tjaalton> tkamppeter: it's the new avahi code in cups that made cupsd leak dbus connections
[08:02] <didrocks> salut seb128, ça va ?
[08:02] <seb128> hey didrocks, ca va, et toi ?
[08:03] <didrocks> seb128: ça va
[08:05] <chrisccoulson> hi seb128
[08:06] <seb128> hey chrisccoulson, how are you?
[08:06] <chrisccoulson> seb128, i'm good thanks. how are you?
[08:06] <seb128> lol, new cycle is barely starting that some people already suggest to delay the LTS on the lists...
[08:07] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I'm ok, having a non-really-declared cold for 3 days, it's not really bad but annoying still
[08:07] <chrisccoulson> oh, i hope you feel better soon
[08:07] <chrisccoulson> what list are people suggesting delaying the LTS?
[08:08] <seb128> thanks
[08:08] <seb128> chrisccoulson, ubuntu-devel-discuss
[08:08] <chrisccoulson> ah, i don't read that anymore
[08:08] <chrisccoulson> i don't even think i'm subscribed
[08:08] <seb128> you are not missing a lot ;-)
[08:09] <seb128> chrisccoulson, do you need me to keep my tb in a state where it misses emails in boxes or should I just click on all imaps boxes to have the refresh working?
[08:09] <tjaalton> what's the tag for regressions in -updates?
[08:10] <rodrigo_> hi seb128, chrisccoulson
[08:10] <seb128> hey rodrigo_
[08:10] <chrisccoulson> seb128, does it work if you open the drop-down menu on the Get Mail button, and click on the name of the account rather than "Get All"?
[08:10] <chrisccoulson> hi rodrigo_
[08:10] <seb128> tjaalton, "regression-proposed" if the package is in proposed I think
[08:11] <seb128> so I guess same with -updates if it moved to updates
[08:11] <tjaalton> 'regression-update'
[08:11] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I'm tempted to say "no", but tb is bad at giving feedback on the fact that it's fetching emails
[08:12] <seb128> chrisccoulson, like I can click on the button or any of the dropdown options and nothing ever change on screen
[08:12] <tjaalton> tkamppeter: filed bug 877967
[08:12] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 877967 in cups "avahi leaks dbus connections to the system bus, breaking other apps depending on them" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/877967
[08:12] <seb128> no animation, no scrollbar
[08:12] <chrisccoulson> yes, that's a bit annoying
[08:12] <chrisccoulson> there is a spinner but it doesn't seem to do anything when you click that button
[08:12] <chrisccoulson> but it does work when it fetches mail automatically
[08:13] <didrocks> I opened evolution this morgen and was striken by how good it looks compared to tb :/
[08:13] <chrisccoulson> really?
[08:13] <chrisccoulson> i think evolution looks horrible ;)
[08:13] <chrisccoulson> which theme do you use?
[08:13] <didrocks> I use the default theme for both
[08:14] <didrocks> in tb, the blue in the email title has no meaning
[08:15] <seb128> tb just looks different from any other application we ship
[08:15] <seb128> including firefox
[08:15] <seb128> they made a better job at make firefox looks like a native application
[08:15] <didrocks> yeah, that's my issue, we need coherence
[08:16] <seb128> I can't pinpoint what it is by tb looks really weird to me
[08:17] <chrisccoulson> heh, i thought that when i first started using it. but now i find that evolution looks really weird to me ;)
[08:18] <seb128> yeah, you got used to tb
[08:18] <seb128> but it still looks different from every other applications we ship
[08:18] <seb128> I think part has to do with the spacing
[08:18] <seb128> the email list has less spacing that others GNOME applications
[08:18] <seb128> same for the folders list on the left
[08:19] <seb128> it might be good for extra content on screen but I find it to be too busy
[08:19] <chrisccoulson> yeah, the spacing has been mentioned before. that's tweakable in the theme though
[08:19] <chrisccoulson> we should mention that to andreasn if he's at UDS ;)
[08:21] <seb128> right
[08:22] <seb128> it's also weird how discussions are displayed by default
[08:22] <seb128> it should expand those, the "display 1 line and an useless summary when selecting it" is not really usable
[08:23] <didrocks> I
[08:23] <didrocks> I already mentioned it :)
[08:23] <didrocks> so I guess we agree, and that's why I used the conversations view
[08:23] <didrocks> but it's quite buggy :/
[08:24] <seb128> well, out of those it's snappy and really less buggy than evo
[08:24] <seb128> especially it doesn't freeze doing whatever and force you a restart with something a --force-shutdown because it's stucked enough that it will not close
[08:27] <didrocks> but sometimes it doesn't want to close there :)
[08:27] <didrocks> and I get the gnome-session dialog about "this application isn't responding…" on session stop
[08:27] <didrocks> but it seems I'm the only one to get it, chrisccoulson can't reproduce it
[08:28] <seb128> yeah, never saw that one
[08:28] <seb128> chrisccoulson, ok, tell us, what do you like and disklike in gnome-shell? ;-)
[08:28] <seb128> same for unity ;-)
[08:28] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, did you manage to attach gdb to it?
[08:28] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: no, every time I have that, it's when it's late ;)
[08:29] <didrocks> seb128: he dislikes both, he loves unity-2d :)
[08:29] <seb128> didrocks, well, when I was saying unity it's 2d
[08:29] <chrisccoulson> seb128, gnome-shell looks really polished, the animations are really smooth, there's a lot of consistency with their system dialogs, the system indicators are really well designed and the menus look nice too
[08:29] <seb128> 2d and 3d are quite the same design wise, just some stability and look differences
[08:30] <didrocks> (and features)
[08:30] <chrisccoulson> yeah, 2d is a lot more stable, and the design of the dash is nicer in 2d as well
[08:30] <chrisccoulson> i just miss the new alt+tab switcher
[08:30] <seb128> I don't get why people like the new switcher
[08:30] <tjaalton> tb crashes here often when i'm filling the recipient address of a new message
[08:30] <tjaalton> probably the ldap backend failing
[08:30] <chrisccoulson> seb128, it looks nice ;)
[08:31] <seb128> it's just a list of icons you don't even see the previews ;-)
[08:31] <chrisccoulson> although, i can't say that i've used it enough to discover its downsides yet
[08:31] <chrisccoulson> seb128, i don't like previews. they're too small to see what's in them
[08:31] <seb128> right
[08:31] <seb128> chrisccoulson, so is there anything you dislike about the shell? ;-)
[08:31] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: use it a little, you will see the downsides :)
[08:31] <chrisccoulson> with previews, my browser, email client and text editor all look the same
[08:32] <chrisccoulson> seb128, the shell uses too much screen real estate
[08:32] <seb128> yeah, I didn't like that either when I tried
[08:32] <seb128> the stopper to me was to have to "zoom out" to the activity view every time you want to switch applications
[08:32] <seb128> it's too much context switching on screen
[08:33] <seb128> \o/ unity super-n and launcher
[08:33] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that's a pain
[08:33] <chrisccoulson> heh
[08:33] <chrisccoulson> do our designers look at things in gnome-shell btw?
[08:33] <seb128> dunno
[08:33] <chrisccoulson> it seems that there's a lot we could learn ;)
[08:34] <seb128> well I think we are not "there yet", they still have lot they designed that didn't get properly done yet in unity
[08:34] <seb128> i.e what is not missing is items to put on the todo list, it's manpower to get the job done
[08:34] <didrocks> my major issue with the shell is this "zoom out" as well, seems disturbing
[08:35] <seb128> they both have good sides
[08:35] <chrisccoulson> i would like unity more if the icons in the dash weren't blurry :)
[08:35] <seb128> I think unity will be better once everything is done, shell is ahead, they have it mostly polished
[08:35] <chrisccoulson> yeah
[08:35] <seb128> but shell lacks quite a lot of things unity does
[08:36] <Amaranth> shell does less, does it well, and has like a year head start
[08:36] <seb128> lenses have potential, the launcher is unity is a real launcher, the messaging menu and sound menu have integration with applications
[08:36] <chrisccoulson> yeah, those are nice
[08:37] <Amaranth> btw, anyone find an IRC client better than xchat-gnome yet? :)
[08:37] <seb128> well, both are fine, let's not troll, I will stay on unity for 2 things, the launcher (and not have to context switch to the expose every time) and the screen estate
[08:37] <seb128> like I really got used to the "no scrollbar, no menu, no decoration"
[08:37] <Amaranth> I've been spoiled by linkinus on OS X
[08:37] <seb128> i.e you get the screen space for you
[08:37] <didrocks> Amaranth: weechat ;)
[08:37] <seb128> I'm using xchat-gnome
[08:37] <Amaranth> gnome-shell is a pretty slick experience, no doubt about that
[08:38] <Amaranth> I actually really like the dynamic workspaces, seems someone at Apple did too :)
[08:38] <didrocks> yeah, a lot of people in the community likes that too (well, the vocal majority on forums)
[08:38] <seb128> I'm probably getting old by I like my fixed workspace grid with things where I pu tthem
[08:39] <seb128> ;-)
[08:39] <didrocks> I'm back to 4 ws now, but spawn on 2 screens
[08:39] <Amaranth> didrocks: weechat? eh, cli
[08:39] <didrocks> right :)
[08:40] <Amaranth> maybe I should take another look at Konversation
[08:40] <seb128> didrocks, was robert_ancell around today?
[08:41] <seb128> RAOF, hey, still there?
[08:41] <didrocks> seb128: didn't speak to him, but pitti is there earlier than I
[08:41] <seb128> ok
[08:42] <pitti> didn't talk to Robert today, sorry
[08:42] <pitti> but he was in IRC when I joined
[08:44] <rodrigo_> hmm, not sure it makes much sense to update gnome-bluetooth, only some small memory leaks fixed
[08:44] <rodrigo_> should I SRU it anyway?
[08:44] <pitti> what is "small"?
[08:44] <rodrigo_> pitti, let me see..
[08:45] <rodrigo_> pitti, http://pastebin.com/R0ne9BCM
[08:45] <pitti> 10 byte a day (not worthwhile),  10 MB a day (worthwhile
[08:45] <pitti> rodrigo_: ah, that's just the management capplet, not the applet/indicator?
[08:46] <pitti> not worth an SRU then IMHO
[08:46] <rodrigo_> well, it's the lib, isn't it?
[08:46] <pitti> oh, there are GtkTreePaths in a lib?
[08:46] <rodrigo_> yeah, not worth I think
[08:46] <pitti> rodrigo_: are there also some translation updates?
[08:46] <pitti> if not, we can just SRU .2 then
[08:47] <seb128> only 2 translations, I would skip this one
[08:47] <rodrigo_> pitti, yes, also translations, but only a couple
[08:48] <seb128> the leaks seem small one, I don't think the list change that often
[08:48] <rodrigo_> yeah
[08:48] <seb128> rodrigo_, btw did you see the GNOME 3.2 against 3.4 discussion on the desktop list?
[08:49] <rodrigo_> seb128, yes, haven't answered because it's not clear yet what's going to be new in 3.4
[08:49] <rodrigo_> if we are upgrading the platform libs, I'd vote for 3.4
[08:49] <rodrigo_> just wanted to be 100% sure before suggesting that :)
[08:49] <chrisccoulson> wow, this is the first time i've used update-manager in oneiric :)
[08:49] <chrisccoulson> it just popped up for me
[08:50] <seb128> ;-)
[08:50] <chrisccoulson> normally it's just a daily apt-get dist-upgrade ;)
[08:50] <mvo> pitti: could you please have a quick look at http://paste.ubuntu.com/712977/ ? its  ugly as it will introduce a new transitional package in main post-release, but it was the only sensible way I found to fix the bug if a old libcupsys2 package is still installed
[08:50] <mvo> chrisccoulson: the  security updates I'm sure
[08:50] <chrisccoulson> mvo - yeah, there's a few security updates
[08:50] <pitti> mvo: eek
[08:51] <seb128> rodrigo_, ok, well feel free to respond on the lists but please argue on why you think we should go for 3.4 ;-) did you recent the recent exchanges on the topic and the "spending the cycle playing catchup on unstable version against spending time fixing issues"?
[08:51] <pitti> mvo: Conflicts/Replaces: libcupsys2 isn't enough?
[08:51] <rodrigo_> seb128, yes, read it all
[08:52] <rodrigo_> seb128, still, using 3.2 will have us playing catchup, as we'll have to backport stuff, which is much more work IMO
[08:52] <pitti> libcupsys2 was obsoleted in hardy
[08:52] <mvo> pitti: let me try a bit harder
[08:52] <pitti> mvo: if we need this, can we please not drop the Provides:?
[08:52] <mvo> pitti: yeah, but it seems quite a few people still have it installed, its one of the most common resolver breakages currently
[08:52] <seb128> rodrigo_, well, we will have to play catchup only to backport fixes and on the components we care about
[08:52] <pitti> mvo: ok, so it seems we forgot to clean up that one
[08:53] <pitti> mvo: but at some point we need to uninstall it during upgrades; will that transitional package make that easier?
[08:53] <mvo> pitti: it seems the provides is needed as libapt has a bug in the handling of the provides, it assumes libcupsys2 is a non-multiarch lib and that causes the issues
[08:54] <pitti> mvo: you mean dropping the provides is needed?
[08:54] <mvo> pitti: right, I think once apt is properly fixed we can drop it, I'm working some more on it
[08:54] <pitti> mvo: hang on
[08:54] <mvo> pitti: yes, it looks very strongly like this is needed, but I will try harder to use conflicts to get rid of it
[08:54] <pitti> mvo: oh, you mean "is needed" -> the transitional pacakge, not the Provides:
[08:55] <pitti> mvo: does it hurt to keep the Provides: libcupsys2, too?
[08:55] <pitti> mvo: so, fine for me then, if this helps to resolve upgrades (but I would still like to keep the Provides:)
[08:55] <rodrigo_> seb128, I think using the stable versions is the only way we have to influence what is done in GNOME, that's why I prefer targetting the unstable version always
[08:56] <rodrigo_> s/stable/unstable, sorry
[08:56] <seb128> rodrigo_, you mean you feel comfortable replacing i.e udisk by a rewrite in a lts cycle?
[08:56] <rodrigo_> seb128, I'm not saying that :)
[08:57] <seb128> rodrigo_, well that's part of advocating going for 3.4 ;-
[08:57] <seb128> ;-)
[08:57] <RAOF> seb128: Yo!
[08:57] <seb128> hey RAOF
[08:57] <rodrigo_> but if we target unstable versions, we can influence in having the old udisks still supported, for instance, if that's possible at all
[08:57] <seb128> RAOF, did you get my email about that g-s-d screen config issue?
[08:57] <rodrigo_> whereas leaving us in 3.2 will just postpone the work of integrating that
[08:57] <mvo> pitti: it looks strongly like both is needed, but I agree to your concerns, I will see if I can find a more elegant way
[08:58] <seb128> rodrigo_, you want to bet with me that they will not want to support 2 backends? ;-)
[08:58] <pitti> mvo: you mean dropping the provides: is needed? okay then
[08:58] <RAOF> seb128: "Xrandr caplets bug"?
[08:58] <rodrigo_> seb128, I never bet :)
[08:58] <pitti> mvo: I guess with a transitional package we don't need the provides
[08:59] <mvo> pitti: yeah
[08:59] <seb128> RAOF, yes
[08:59] <rodrigo_> seb128, but that's part of the problem of us not targetting unstable in some cycles, we are not in a strong position to be part of the decision
[08:59] <rodrigo_> seb128, we just have to wait for what "they" decide
[08:59] <rodrigo_> so given that, it's probably better to target stable, but that just postpones the issues
[08:59] <seb128> rodrigo_, right, it we were on the unstable serie they wouldn't drop the libg-c-c shared library ... oh wait ;-)
[09:00] <rodrigo_> seb128, that's a bad example, the patch to undrop it was so small that it wasn't worth the effort arguing more about it
[09:01] <rodrigo_> also, at the end, we didn't need it much, except for deja dup
[09:01] <rodrigo_> so it wasn't an issue at all
[09:02] <seb128> rodrigo_, bastien moved bluetooth in trunk yesterday and switched the lib to be a static and not shared one, but yeah another topic
[09:02] <seb128> rodrigo_, I think that
[09:02] <rodrigo_> seb128, yes, saw it
[09:02] <seb128> - shipping the stable serie doesn't prevent us to be involved in the unstable serie that we will land next cycle
[09:03] <seb128> - we don't have enough people to be involved in all upstream components
[09:03] <rodrigo_> that's true
[09:03] <seb128> so yeah, I would go for "upgrade the stack and track things we care about"
[09:03] <seb128> i.e pick our battles
[09:03] <seb128> like maybe go for g-c-c and g-s-d 3.4 and made the tweaks to make them run on 3.2
[09:04] <seb128> they will probably don't need us to take the udisk,gvfs transition
[09:04] <ricotz> hello, just wanted to say glib master is getting better
[09:04] <seb128> ricotz, hey, great ;-)
[09:04] <rodrigo_> hi ricotz
[09:04] <ricotz> the gstreamer issue is solved
[09:05] <ricotz> seb128, rodrigo_, hey :)
[09:05] <rodrigo_> ricotz, which issue was that with gstreamer?
[09:05] <ricotz> mutex_unlock problem
[09:06] <rodrigo_> ah
[09:07] <seb128> rodrigo_, glib 2.31 "fun" ;-)
[09:08] <rodrigo_> :)
[09:09] <ricotz> seb128, better to catch these issues now rather than after the first 2.31.x release ;)
[09:12] <seb128> indeed
[09:12] <seb128> ricotz, what issues are remaining?
[09:12] <ricotz> currently no obvious ones
[09:13] <ricotz> i had a nautilus crash which i am trying to trigger for a trace
[09:19] <mvo> pitti: \o/ I think I can get away with c/r/p for the libcupsys2 issue
[09:19] <pitti> mvo: yippie
[09:19] <pitti> that'll also be a nice cleanup
[09:20] <mvo> pitti: I'm uploading it now to proposed :) thanks for not letting the first (ugly) solution pass that easily
[09:20] <pitti> thanking me for making your life hard, yay :)
[09:22] <chrisccoulson> seb128, have you experienced any incorrect indicator counts yet?
[09:22] <seb128> chrisccoulson, not yet but I didn't drive my boxes to 0 yet so I didn't check carefully the counters ;-)
[09:23] <seb128> I noticed it yesterday because I was all read and the indicator was still blue
[09:23] <mvo> pitti: hard in the good way ;)
[09:23] <chrisccoulson> ah, ok. thanks
[09:23]  * pitti hugs mvo
[09:23]  * mvo hugs pitti
[09:34] <sroecker> apropos nautilus crash, there is bug 795708
[09:34] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 795708 in nautilus "nautilus crashed with SIGSEGV in nautilus_window_slot_get_current_uri()" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/795708
[09:47] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, does anyone else understand how http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/mfbt/Util.h#420 works?
[09:49] <pitti> chrisccoulson: you mean what a const_cast is?
[09:50] <pitti> oh, l420, ignore me (bottom of file, thus l420 isn't at the top)
[09:50] <mvo> chrisccoulson: that is pretty clever
[09:50] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah, i'm trying to figure out how ArrayLength works
[09:51] <pitti> chrisccoulson: ah, clever
[09:51] <mvo> chrisccoulson: do you have a example usage, I think I get how it works, but I want to double check with some real code
[09:51] <pitti> chrisccoulson: this only works for statically sized arrays, not for pointers
[09:52] <pitti> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/netwerk/streamconv/converters/nsDirIndexParser.cpp#168
[09:52] <pitti> ^ example
[09:52] <mvo> chrisccoulson: the template functions will also be optimized away later most likely so that its not even bloating anything
[09:52] <pitti> so if you have e. g. an int[3], the preprocessor already knows the size
[09:52] <pitti> and wil create a template instance for the type int[3] (which is different from e. g. int[6])
[09:52] <pitti> then it just uses pattern matching to return the size
[09:52] <chrisccoulson> ah, ok
[09:52] <chrisccoulson> thanks :)
[09:53] <pitti> so this is just a very very complicated way of saying "sizeof myarray"
[09:53] <pitti> which is also evaluated at build time and optimized away to just be a constant in the resulting code
[09:53] <pitti> someone just likes C++ too much apparently :)
[09:54] <mvo> or like to show off a very clever use of template functions :)
[09:54] <chrisccoulson> yeah, it was introduced here - https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/b9b9d9f379db
[09:54] <chrisccoulson> heh
[09:55] <pitti> wow, there are compilers who manage to get this mess right, but don't support the standard C sizeof? *blink*
[09:55] <pitti> it's also in the C++ standard
[09:56] <pitti> well, once you have it it might be easier to use because you don't need to explicitly know the size of the array element
[09:56] <pitti> i. e. sizeof (myarray) / sizeof(int)
[09:57] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that was the old approach
[09:57] <chrisccoulson> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=693469#c0
[09:57] <ubot2> Mozilla bug 693469 in General "Implement mozilla::ArrayLength and mozilla::ArrayEnd" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]
[09:57] <seb128> kirkland, hi, could you look at bug #874924 when you will be up, some users get a consolekit timeout on login when they have a .ecryptfs for a private dir (they don't use ecryptfs for their user dir but only a subdir)
[09:57] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 874924 in lightdm "WARNING: Failed to open CK session: Timeout was reached (ecryptfs subdir)" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/874924
[10:16] <seb128> rodrigo_, did you notice that pitti blocked the g-c-c sru with a question on a change which was not targetted to oneiric?
[10:20] <seb128> didrocks, hey
[10:20] <didrocks> hey seb128
[10:20] <seb128> didrocks, does your "polish" topic overlap with the "Desktop quality (bugs fixing)" I sent before?
[10:20] <seb128> they seem similar in the spirit to me
[10:21] <didrocks> seb128: I was wondering, but seeing the blueprints registered for "bugs", I think a separate blueprint to track them is necessary
[10:21] <seb128> ok
[10:21] <didrocks> seb128: meaning, polish is not only bug fixing
[10:21] <seb128> I doubt I've enough to discuss about "bugs" for a session
[10:21] <didrocks> it's small things that make everyday life hard
[10:21] <seb128> it's just a "do it"
[10:21] <didrocks> seb128: we can probably discuss the polish there if needed then
[10:21] <seb128> yeah
[10:21] <didrocks> do not hesitate to file ideas btw :)
[10:22] <seb128> didrocks, "polish is not only bug fixing", right that's where I used "quality" ;-)
[10:22] <seb128> seems we are in agreement
[10:22] <seb128> I just think bugs need to discuss so let's do one session about "polish"
[10:22] <rodrigo_> seb128, hmm, no, looking
[10:22] <didrocks> I saw more quality for bug fixes, but yeah, we globaly agree :)
[10:24] <rodrigo_> seb128, hmm, by mail?
[10:24] <seb128> didrocks, the u1 not well integrated will also be discussed in the "control center cleanup" I think btw (I saw you had a topic about it)
[10:25] <didrocks> seb128: ok, feel free to remove it then or append a note that it will be discussed there
[10:25] <seb128> didrocks, we can have overlapping topic, I was just pointing it, I like your first list, I will look to add some extra ones ;-)
[10:26] <didrocks> seb128: great! I'll try to think about it in the coming days as well. I think there are a lot of opportunity which are missing there
[10:26] <seb128> rodrigo_, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/864618/comments/20
[10:26] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 864618 in gnome-control-center "sets $LANG to a language name" [Low,In progress]
[10:27] <rodrigo_> seb128, ah ok
[10:27] <seb128> didrocks, "(like number of workspaces)", design will kill you :p
[10:28] <seb128> didrocks, oh btw speaking about the nm indicator do you know if there is still work to switch to the indicator-network based on nm rather than connman? cyphermox was looking at adding a nm backend this cycle
[10:28] <seb128> didrocks, don't bother, I will check with cyphermox directly when he's up later ;-)
[10:31] <didrocks> seb128: from what I know, nothing is done for connmann right now
[10:32] <seb128> didrocks, right, the work cyphermox was doing was to look at rebase the indicator (which is based on connman) on nm
[10:32] <seb128> so we could use the nice ui and keep nm
[10:32] <didrocks> yeah, would be nice, I think it's up to him to take it, nothing will happen otherwise
[10:33] <chrisccoulson> g'ah, twice in one week
[10:33] <chrisccoulson> i hate the KDE patch we have in firefox
[10:36] <rodrigo_> pitti, just answered to your comment in bug 864618
[10:36] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 864618 in gnome-control-center "sets $LANG to a language name" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/864618
[10:36] <rodrigo_> pitti, the patch from Gunnar is to fix the ugly ISO... string that is added to the language names
[10:36] <rodrigo_> the non-utf8 lnags I mean
[10:37] <rodrigo_> it's quite ugly though, I'm really willing to remove that patch completely
[10:37] <pitti> rodrigo_: hm, so you are saying that we aren't even using this code? why do we need the patch then?
[10:37] <rodrigo_> pitti, we are using it, where did I say that? :)
[10:38] <pitti> rodrigo_: how does merely disabling that one line fix the string, as opposed to just leaving the variables uninitialized?
[10:38] <pitti> rodrigo_: "since we are getting the list of languages from another place anyway"
[10:38] <rodrigo_> disabling that line makes the code above use the default values for those variables
[10:39] <rodrigo_> so that the codeset is not added to the non-utf8 lang names
[10:39] <pitti> ah, so they are inited
[10:39] <rodrigo_> code below, sorry
[10:39] <pitti> ok, thanks
[10:39] <rodrigo_> yes, the patch is really ugly, sorry about that
[10:39] <rodrigo_> I just didn't know much about the diffs between how gnome retrieves the lang lists and ubuntu's way
[10:40] <rodrigo_> now I'm starting to know a bit better, so will write an upstream patch to fix it there
[10:40] <rodrigo_> and then remove that ugly patch :)
[11:07] <pitti> mvo: cups change committed to Debian bzr; note that cups is already in -proposed, so can't accept your patch just yet
[11:07] <pitti> mvo: ah, verified and 4 days, good 'nuff
[11:07]  * pitti moves to -updats
[11:11]  * mvo hugs pitti
[11:20] <seb128> pitti, if you do a cups upload you should consider the commit tim pointed on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cups/+bug/877967/comments/4 maybe as well?
[11:20] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 877967 in cups "avahi leaks dbus connections to the system bus, breaking other apps depending on them" [High,New]
[11:21] <pitti> seb128: can do, thanks
[11:22] <seb128> pitti, thanks ;-)
[11:32] <seb128> rodrigo_, bug #878076
[11:32] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 878076 in gnome-settings-daemon "Regression in oneiric-proposed: Can't suspend my system anymore by using its power button" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/878076
[11:34] <asac> my biggest unity problems are with a) stacking (task switcher doesnt show on alt-tab) and b) the launcher does not fade in on screens where i have full screen apps. guess those are known and worked on or do i need to report/comment somewhere?
[11:35] <rodrigo_> seb128, ok, looking
[11:35] <asac> and c) yesterday i couldnt find my OOO window anymore in the task switcher and had to minimize all windows - which was a scary moment as I did not yet save all my edits :) ... but cannot reproduce
[11:36] <seb128> asac, c) is known
[11:36] <seb128> asac, a) is a recurrent issues, it's less frequent nowadays, maybe didrocks or smspillaz knows if there is still a bug open tracking the issue still happening though
[11:37] <didrocks> hum, a) is considered fixed apart from libroffice today
[11:37] <didrocks> so asac, pease open a bug
[11:37] <asac> i see a) after using my laptop a day
[11:38] <asac> and then it never goes away
[11:38] <didrocks> for b), I noticed that, are you currently in that state?
[11:38] <seb128> asac, bug #862171
[11:38] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 862171 in unity "Running instance of Libreoffice writer disappears from launcher, but keeps running" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/862171
[11:38] <didrocks> asac: yeah, once the stacking is screwed, it's over
[11:38] <asac> seb128: good :)
[11:38] <seb128> asac, that's your c)
[11:38] <tkamppeter> pitti, I got a possible fix for bug 877967, perhaps we should join the SRU with the one for bug 874835, to not have such a long proposed queue and let the bug reporters wait too long for their updates.
[11:38] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 877967 in cups "avahi leaks dbus connections to the system bus, breaking other apps depending on them" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/877967
[11:38] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 874835 in cups "[master] upgrade problem with libcupsys2: "E:Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks"" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/874835
[11:38] <asac> while it was scary, finding my window still alive was also a joyful experience :)
[11:38] <didrocks> c) is known, I pinged smspillaz about it
[11:38] <didrocks> yeah, seb128 got the bug :)
[11:39] <asac> didrocks:  i am currently in state b)
[11:39] <asac> didrocks: and a)
[11:39] <asac> didrocks: i think they are related
[11:39] <asac> because i can see the task switcher on a workspace with no windows
[11:39] <didrocks> asac: maybe, can you try something with d-feet?
[11:39] <asac> and ki can see the launcher on that window too
[11:40] <asac> didrocks: sure. i can better give you whatever info you want from this state
[11:40] <didrocks> asac: oh, for b), you didnt mean the launcher is not visible at all?
[11:40] <didrocks> asac: I was understand doesn't fade away
[11:40] <didrocks> understanding*
[11:40] <asac> didrocks: i meant that on my screens where i have full screen windows i dont see
[11:40] <asac> it
[11:40] <asac> so from end user point of view it doesnt fade in, but i guess it fades in below this window
[11:40] <didrocks> asac: this should be "fixed" with the unity version in -proposed
[11:40] <asac> hmm
[11:40] <didrocks> for b)
[11:41] <didrocks> but it's a workaround
[11:41] <asac> is that a workaround specific to the launcher? or maybe it also cures my task switcer?
[11:41] <didrocks> asac: no, it's specific to the launcher and can't apply to the task switcher
[11:41] <seb128> tkamppeter, see the log twenty minutes ago, I already pinged pitti about that
[11:42] <asac> didrocks: ok. given that the reason why i miss the launcher is basically that i want to use it to work around the task switcher bug to go to a specific different window, it might help me anyway :)
[11:42] <asac> didrocks: is that just one package?
[11:42] <asac> i would prefer to not help on general -proposed testing :)
[11:43] <didrocks> asac: it's unity, unity-common and unity-core
[11:43] <didrocks> (libunity-core-4.0-4)
[11:43] <asac> ok found
[11:43] <didrocks> apt-get install unity should just pull that in
[11:43] <asac> all in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity source
[11:43] <didrocks> yeah
[11:44] <seb128> rodrigo_, pitti: do you know what "sleep key" is? g-s-d has sleep,suspend,hibernate keys and the default for "button-sleep" is hibernate which seems a bit weird
[11:45] <asac> didrocks: guess then killall compiz and hope it comes back?
[11:46] <asac> ok had to start unity on console
[11:47] <asac> strange... thought compiz gets restarted
[11:47] <asac> didrocks: ok for now i see the launcher
[11:47] <asac> i will let you know
[11:47] <asac> and i see the task switcher too :/
[11:48] <rodrigo_> seb128, I think it's the power key, looking
[11:49] <seb128> rodrigo_, no, the keys have "button-hibernate", "button-power", "button-sleep", and "button-suspend" in the schemas
[11:49] <didrocks> asac: let's see how it goes :)
[11:50] <didrocks> asac: it's weird, autorestart seems to work, but not reliably
[11:50] <seb128> rodrigo_, I'm just not sure how sleep and suspend,hibernate are different ;-)
[11:50] <rodrigo_> yeah
[11:50] <seb128> rodrigo_, btw the g-s-d update did fix some bugs in launchpad, I'm updating them now ;-)
[11:51] <asac> guess it was not reliable this time for me then :) alright
[11:51] <rodrigo_> { SLEEP_KEY, NULL, "XF86Suspend", NULL },
[11:52] <seb128> rodrigo_, the "regression" I pointed is weird, the key is set to "suspend" on my oneiric (without proprosed) netbook and it does display the session dialog by default, it doesn't suspend
[11:52] <rodrigo_> yeah, looking at the commits in media-keys
[11:53] <seb128> rodrigo_, ok, so "XF86Suspend" assigned to "hibernate" in the schemas by default seems buggy, but that's another bug ;-)
[11:55] <seb128> does anyone know how I can get the key event sent by a multimedia key?
[11:56] <seb128> xev doesn't seem to get those
[11:56] <seb128> it's for bug #868358, I would like to know what event fn-12 sends
[11:56] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 868358 in gnome-settings-daemon "hibernate key (fn + 12) triggers suspend on ThinkPad X200s" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/868358
[11:58] <tkamppeter> seb128, OK, did not see that when I posted. My message was simply a reaction on the e-mail notification of Tim's post.
[11:58] <tkamppeter> seb128, thanks for pinging pitti, too.
[11:58] <seb128> tkamppeter, yw
[12:02] <didrocks> seb128: I have a trackpad activation button and I confirm that when using it, you see an empty notification with no icon
[12:03] <GunnarHj> pitti: Hello Martin, do you have time for a question as regards bug 868346?
[12:03] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 868346 in lightdm "Language selector broken in Ubuntu" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/868346
[12:03] <seb128> didrocks, do you run g-s-d from proposed? I just noticed it's supposed to be fixed there
[12:03] <seb128> didrocks, http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-settings-daemon/commit/?h=gnome-3-2&id=387df5458a5b63c3b89baf6f58e2c12c2af78d6d
[12:03] <didrocks> seb128: oh, not on that netbook, let me have a try
[12:03] <seb128> didrocks, if you don't yet but can update and confirm bug #877058 is fixed it would be great
[12:03] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 877058 in gnome-settings-daemon "Touchpad enable/disable OSD image cannot be displayed in notification area" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/877058
[12:04] <didrocks> sure, let's have a try
[12:04] <seb128> didrocks, 'ci ;-)
[12:04] <seb128> none of my boxes have a key for that
[12:04] <didrocks> seb128: de rien :)
[12:04] <didrocks> well, my latest (which is my personal one) have one
[12:04] <didrocks> I was just lazying not upgrading it before I need it for UDS
[12:06] <seb128> rodrigo_, ok, I can't confirm the power button bug, the power button always display the session dialog for me, using oneiric or the proposed version
[12:07] <seb128> hum, interesting, after changing in dconf-editor it behaves differently
[12:08] <didrocks> killing gsd and restarting it after the upgrade didn't fix it :/
[12:10] <seb128> didrocks, can you get the dbus-monitor --session log I asked for on the bug?
[12:10] <didrocks> seb128: trying to get some
[12:11] <seb128> rodrigo_, ok, I can confirm the regression bug
[12:11] <rodrigo_> seb128, ok
[12:12] <didrocks> hum, quite spammy with bamf, let me filter that
[12:14] <seb128> didrocks, run it, press the hotkey and ctrl-C
[12:14] <seb128> bamf should shut up if you don't change focus or anything ;-)
[12:14] <rodrigo_> lunch, bbiab
[12:15] <didrocks> seb128: no, it doesn't :)
[12:16] <seb128> didrocks, bad bamf, no cookie!
[12:16] <seb128> ;-)
[12:16] <didrocks> heh
[12:16] <seb128> rodrigo_, enjoy
[12:16] <didrocks> pastebining that
[12:18] <pitti> seb128: I suppose some Fn+F<number> combination?
[12:18] <pitti> GunnarHj: hello, what's up?
[12:18] <mdeslaur> seb128: bug 868358 is a bug in my patch. Should be fixed in the package in -proposed.
[12:18] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 868358 in gnome-settings-daemon "hibernate key (fn + 12) triggers suspend on ThinkPad X200s" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/868358
[12:19] <seb128> mdeslaur, oh, what it? can you comment on the bug?
[12:19] <mdeslaur> seb128: just did
[12:19] <didrocks> http://paste.ubuntu.com/713134/
[12:19] <seb128> pitti, reply to what question was that?
[12:19] <seb128> mdeslaur, thanks
[12:20] <pitti> seb128: seb128 | rodrigo_, pitti: do you know what "sleep key" is?
[12:20] <didrocks> int32 -1
[12:20] <didrocks> weird, it seems to set the right attribute, but nothing is passed?
[12:20] <seb128> didrocks, http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-settings-daemon/commit/?h=gnome-3-2&id=387df5458a5b63c3b89baf6f58e2c12c2af78d6d
[12:20] <seb128> didrocks, it's weird, you still see "touchpad-enabled"
[12:20] <seb128> didrocks, can you gnome-settings-daemon --version?
[12:21] <seb128> didrocks, if you press it as second time do you get "touchpad disabled"?
[12:21] <seb128> mdeslaur, upstream broke suspend though
[12:21] <mdeslaur> seb128: d'oh :)
[12:21] <didrocks> no, no icon in any case
[12:21] <seb128> didrocks, well I mean in the dbus-monitor lo
[12:21] <seb128> log
[12:22] <didrocks> --version is unknown
[12:23] <didrocks> seb128: I get touchpad-disabled as well the second time
[12:23] <didrocks> but with the same int32 -1 and no icon
[12:23] <seb128> didrocks, thanks
[12:23] <didrocks> the dconf key change works though
[12:23] <seb128> didrocks, well seems like the commit I pointed is not there
[12:23] <seb128> it's still using the old icon names
[12:24] <seb128> didrocks, I will investigate, thanks
[12:24] <seb128> mdeslaur, http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-settings-daemon/commit/?h=gnome-3-2&id=4e26618b8a0f037bf2fd682a8c771a760d36beef
[12:24] <seb128> that's the upstream commit
[12:24] <seb128> it hits the
[12:24] <didrocks> seb128: clearly yes :/
[12:24] <seb128> + if (result == NULL) {
[12:24] <seb128> + g_warning ("couldn't sleep using UPower: %s",
[12:24] <seb128> + error->message);
[12:24] <seb128> where error->message is "The name org.freedesktop.UPower was not provided by any .service files"
[12:26] <didrocks> seb128: the issue is in our distro-patch
[12:26] <didrocks> debian/patches/16_use_synchronous_notifications.patch
[12:26] <chrisccoulson> heh
[12:26] <didrocks> it's been refreshed, but not changing the icon name
[12:26] <didrocks> rodrigo_: ! :-)
[12:27] <seb128> didrocks, it's chrisccoulson's fault!
[12:27] <chrisccoulson> lol
[12:27] <didrocks> of course, as usual ;-)
[12:27] <chrisccoulson> it seems to break with every new version
[12:27] <glatzor> mvo, http://www.glatzor.de/files/mvo/gpk-update-viewer.png - powered by aptdaemon :)
[12:28] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: can we have a big machine which sed the source code, kill kittens, and update the patch? :)
[12:28] <didrocks> ok, I'll pend the change in the vcs
[12:29] <cyphermox> seb128: I was looking at making sure the ui could also use NM, but I had to put that aside
[12:29] <seb128> cyphermox, hey
[12:29] <cyphermox> seb128: definitely something to look at again for precise
[12:30] <seb128> cyphermox, is that likely to come back this cycle?
[12:30] <cyphermox> hey :)
[12:30] <cyphermox> possibly
[12:31] <cyphermox> with some rework on nm-applet though I can get rid of what I guess is currently the pain point, menu updates?
[12:32] <cyphermox> tbh, to me it feels very clumsy to replace something we already have and that largely works with something brand new which doesn't quite have all the features yet
[12:33] <cyphermox> (not to say I'm against improving a lot on what we currently have, there's lots of room for improvement there)
[12:35] <mdeslaur> seb128: seems they're connecting to the session bug instead of the system bus...not good.
[12:35] <mdeslaur> s/bug/bus/
[12:36] <seb128> mdeslaur, yeah, refresh the upstream bug
[12:36] <seb128> mdeslaur, I commented there and pinged bastien on #control-center, waiting for a reply from him
[12:36] <mdeslaur> seb128: cool
[12:43] <pitti> tkamppeter: for bug 877967, do you know which git repo Tim meant?
[12:43] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 877967 in cups "avahi leaks dbus connections to the system bus, breaking other apps depending on them" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/877967
[12:44] <seb128> pitti, http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=cups.git;a=commit;h=a66022689482aa61bce33607d4dbf39a4ab6c341
[12:44] <seb128> ?
[12:44] <pitti> seb128: oh, he said "fedorapeople" and "15bd402"
[12:44] <seb128> pitti, ok, that's their packaging one and the only one I know about
[12:45] <pitti> seb128: but thanks, that looks like what he meant
[12:46] <mvo> glatzor: woah, you ROCK
[12:46] <mvo> glatzor: /me waves bybye to update-manager
[12:46] <seb128> mvo, why so much hate? update-manager rocks ;-)
[12:47] <mvo> seb128: you want to maintain it ;) *kidding*
[12:47] <seb128> lol
[12:47] <seb128> mvo, what is the new hype? ;-)
[12:47] <pitti> tkamppeter: nevermind, found it
[12:47] <mvo> seb128: glatzor made aptdaemon speak packagekit
[12:47] <pitti> seb128: ah, found http://twaugh.fedorapeople.org/cups-avahi.git/
[12:48] <mvo> seb128: i.e. the system bus API
[12:48] <GunnarHj> pitti: Back on kb now... nl_langinfo() is used in the language chooser to get language and country names. Do you possibly know a smooth way to translate those strings into the current language?
[12:48] <seb128> mvo, nice!
[12:48] <seb128> pitti, oh, ok
[12:50] <mvo> seb128: glatzor is a certainly made of awesome!
[12:50] <pitti> GunnarHj: I think the iso_639 gettext domain has that
[12:51]  * mvo stops being excited and goes back to (boring) tasks
[12:51] <pitti> GunnarHj:
[12:51] <pitti> $ gettext -d iso_639 German; echo; gettext -d iso_639 Russian; echo
[12:51] <pitti> Deutsch
[12:51] <pitti> Russisch
[12:51] <seb128> mvo, seems so ;-)
[12:51] <GunnarHj> pitti: Excellent, thanks!
[12:52] <pitti> GunnarHj: it's from the iso-codes package which is a good reference and fairly complete
[12:52] <pitti> GunnarHj: and we don't strip its translations, so all available translations should be available on any system
[12:52] <mvo> pitti, GunnarHj: iirc I also had to use iso_639_3 for some stuff, but I might misremembering
[12:53] <pitti> the main difference are the XML files
[12:53] <pitti> iso 639 is for the two letter codes ("de"), _3 for the three letter locale codes
[12:53] <mvo> aha, nice
[12:53] <mvo> thanks
[12:53] <mvo> no difference for the gettext stuff then?
[12:53] <pitti> the translations _should_ not be different, but not sure
[12:54] <GunnarHj> pitti, mvo: I'll take a closer look. Thanks again.
[12:54] <pitti> hm, they are, though
[12:54] <pitti> $ diff -u <(msgunfmt /usr/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/iso_639.mo) <(msgunfmt /usr/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/iso_639_3.mo)
[12:55] <pitti> GunnarHj: at least the German translations in _3 are slightly better
[12:55] <GunnarHj> pitti, mvo: Does _3 cover also the two letter codes?
[12:56] <pitti> yes
[12:56] <GunnarHj> Then we'd better use that, I suppose.
[13:00] <pitti> mvo: are you able to do the verification for bug 874835 with some automatic test case?
[13:00] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 874835 in cups "[master] upgrade problem with libcupsys2: "E:Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks"" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/874835
[13:00] <pitti> mvo: I wonder whether to wait with another cups SRU until ^ gets verified, or just upload a followup fix
[13:02] <mvo> pitti: what other SRU would that be?
[13:02] <mvo> (phonecall)
[13:02] <pitti> mvo: for bug 877967
[13:02] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 877967 in cups "avahi leaks dbus connections to the system bus, breaking other apps depending on them" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/877967
[13:02] <pitti> mvo: I can just upload an SRU on top of your's, no problem
[13:05] <mvo> pitti: i can do the verification as soon as its available on the server
[13:09] <seb128> didrocks, thanks for the g-s-d icon fix, did you confirm it fixes the empty bubbles?
[13:10] <didrocks> seb128: not yet, it's built but I'm waiting for some scp to finish on my netbook first
[13:10] <seb128> didrocks, ok, no worry, let me know I will probably upload once I confirm the suspend bug is fixed with the recent git commit
[13:10] <seb128> rodrigo_, ^ bastien fixed the regression and I'm backporting the fix
[13:11] <didrocks> seb128: still 30 minutes of scp and then, on that :)
[13:13] <kirkland> seb128: sure, i'll take a look
[13:13] <seb128> kirkland, hey, thanks
[13:18] <pitti> rodrigo_, seb128: would you mind if we dropped vala-0.14's /ubuntu bzr branch?
[13:19] <pitti> bzr bd-do doesn't work with .tar.xz
[13:19] <pitti> and at some point we'll just sync with Debian (as soon as they switch to 0.14 by default)
[13:19] <seb128> pitti, we will soon have GNOME on .xz so we should rather fix it
[13:19] <seb128> pitti, upstream will stop other formats this cycle
[13:19] <pitti> I committed my merge
[13:19] <seb128> pitti, but I don't especially care for vala no
[13:20] <seb128> i.e I'm fine dropping the ubuntu vcs
[13:20] <pitti> well, building the package without bd then
[13:20] <seb128> pitti, sorry that went a bit confused
[13:20] <pitti> $ tar xf ../vala-0.14_0.14.0.orig.tar.xz --str=1
[13:20] <pitti> $ debuild
[13:20] <pitti> that should do it
[13:20] <seb128> - that's fine for a vala, plase drop it
[13:20] <seb128> - but we need to fix .xz for this cycle since that's what GNOME will use ;-)
[13:20] <pitti> right, understood
[13:24] <cyphermox> mvo: running into another issue with upgrading a newly-installed natty box to oneiric... today, check-new-release-gtk gives a 404 error :)
[13:26] <cyphermox> mvo: /ubuntu/dists/oneiric-proposed/main/dist-upgrader-all/0.152.25.1/ReleaseAnnouncement.html 404s; in fact, 0.152.25.1 doesn't exist there... not sure why it goes to look for it in oneiric-proposed either.
[13:33] <desrt> seb128: so... remember CarlFK from yesterday?
[13:34] <seb128> desrt, yes
[13:34] <desrt> do you know what his problem was, in the end?
[13:34] <seb128> no
[13:34] <desrt> he typed 'apt-get install dconf'
[13:34] <seb128> lol
[13:34] <desrt> can we please fix that already?
[13:34] <seb128> srly? ;-)
[13:34] <desrt> yes.
[13:34] <desrt> srsly.
[13:35] <seb128> desrt, next time pick a name not already used? ;-)
[13:35] <kenvandine> lol
[13:35] <pitti> desrtconf?
[13:36] <desrt> here's his paste from yesterday that finally made me realise the problem: http://dpaste.de/PcqrQ/
[13:36] <pitti> what about 𝛿conf?
[13:36] <desrt> pitti: check your utf8, plz :)
[13:36] <pitti> desrt: check, WFM :)
[13:36] <desrt> seb128: while you're at it, can you rename epiphany to epiphany-game?
[13:37] <desrt> you're a DD!  you have these powers!
[13:37]  * desrt is relatively certain that at least 1000 hours of wasted time has been the result of these two package naming problems
[13:37] <seb128> desrt, yeah, those name conflicts are annoying
[13:38] <desrt> (most of that wasted by people playing the epiphany game after accidentally installing it) ;)
[13:38] <chrisccoulson> ɟuoɔp ?
[13:39] <desrt> i'm sure apt supports non-ascii package names these days
[13:45] <mvo> cyphermox: thanks, I check this now
[13:48] <cyphermox> mvo: thanks
[13:49] <mvo> cyphermox: thanks, should be fixed now
[13:51] <seb128> didrocks, ok, I'm uploading the g-s-d update if you don't stop me by saying that the notify-osd fix didn't work ;-)
[13:51] <didrocks> seb128: still copying for 3 minutes, you should be patient!
[13:51] <didrocks> seb128: I'm particularly wondering if the icons have not been interverted in the previous patch
[13:51] <seb128> didrocks, you said half an hour 50 minutes ago ;-)
[13:51] <didrocks> so better than I test that making this upload
[13:52] <didrocks> seb128: well, tell that to my network…
[13:52] <seb128> didrocks, but yeah I can wait a bit longer
[13:52] <didrocks> the scp is still not finished
[13:52] <seb128> didrocks, no hurry take your time, I rather wanted to avoid that you feel like you have to test it if you are busy with other things
[13:52] <didrocks> (and it's 40 minutes for the record :p)
[13:52] <seb128> didrocks, but if you want to test it no hurry waiting for you
[13:53] <didrocks> I prefer to test it, I tried without rebooting
[13:53] <seb128> ok
[13:53] <seb128> thanks
[13:53] <didrocks> and I had the impression that the icons are mixed
[13:53] <didrocks> I built the other way around
[13:53] <didrocks> and, as it happens a lot, my mouse blocked…
[13:57] <rodrigo_> seb128, have you already backported the fix for the g-s-d issue?
[13:57] <seb128> rodrigo_, yes
[13:58] <seb128> rodrigo_, and I tested it on my netbook, the fix works
[13:58] <rodrigo_> ok
[13:59] <seb128> rodrigo_, I pushed if you want to give it a try, didrocks fixed the notify-osd,touchpad issue as well (still needs him to confirm that it works before uploading though)
[13:59] <rodrigo_> yeah, saw that also, I'll do a test with both
[14:00] <rodrigo_> patches
[14:00] <seb128> rodrigo_, ok, just pull and build
[14:00] <seb128> extra testing is welcome ;-)
[14:00] <didrocks> the ETA of scp is taking longer longer and longer… :/
[14:00] <seb128> didrocks, don't worry there is no hurry
[14:04] <CarlFK> desrt: morning... something not working.  to see if 'dconf update' is finding my file, I am trying to 'dconf watch' one of the keys I am setting, but I don't see anything when I set that key with gsettings...
[14:05] <CarlFK> dconf watch /org/gnome/desktop/screensaver; gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.screensaver lock-delay 10
[14:05] <desrt> CarlFK: dconf is very precise about the meaning of a trailing slash
[14:05] <desrt>  /x/y/z means "specifically, the key /x/y/z"
[14:05] <desrt>  /x/y/z/ means "all keys under the directory /x/y/z/"
[14:05] <desrt> throw a / after screensaver -- should fix it
[14:06] <CarlFK> desrt: bingo.
[14:06] <desrt> :)
[14:12] <CarlFK> ok, so gsettings sets it, watch sees it.  dconf update does not. head /etc/dconf/db/site.d/local.dconf; [org/gnome/desktop/screensaver]; lock-delay=10
[14:12] <CarlFK> I get errors if I mangle the lines, so it is parsing the file
[14:18] <rickspencer3> chrisccoulson, hey, quick question ...
[14:18] <chrisccoulson> hi rickspencer3
[14:18] <rickspencer3> both huats and I have separately hit a weird issue with flash, wherein we can't click on the flash properties dialog
[14:19] <huats> indeed
[14:19] <rickspencer3> so, for example, we can't give flash permissions to access local resources
[14:19] <rickspencer3> chrisccoulson, ring a bell at all?
[14:19] <huats> rickspencer3, that is exactly my issue
[14:19] <rickspencer3> wait
[14:19] <chrisccoulson> rickspencer3, no, i don't even have flash installed
[14:19] <rickspencer3> huats, did it happen to you with Firefox?
[14:20] <rickspencer3> it just occurred to me that it happened to me with a webkit webview\
[14:20] <huats> rickspencer3, FF and chrome
[14:20] <chrisccoulson> ah
[14:20] <chrisccoulson> flash bug then ;)
[14:20] <chrisccoulson> does it have its own window, or is it drawn in the browser window?
[14:20] <chrisccoulson> i guess i could install flash and try it
[14:21] <rickspencer3> chrisccoulson, they try to make it look like it's own window, but I think it's part of hte flash scene
[14:21] <rickspencer3> chrisccoulson, this blocks people from using Ubuntu for a lot of business applications
[14:21] <rickspencer3> ones that require microphones and stuff, for example
[14:22] <huats> chrisccoulson, if you want I can give access to such an application
[14:22] <huats> so that you can test it
[14:22] <chrisccoulson> huats, it's ok, i just installed flash and reproduced it on youtube
[14:22] <chrisccoulson> hah
[14:22] <huats> ok !
[14:22] <chrisccoulson> i got the issue then the flash plugin crashed
[14:24] <chrisccoulson> ok, i still get the issue even with it running in process
[14:24] <chrisccoulson> this is really a flash bug
[14:38] <rickspencer3> chrisccoulson, may I ask you to follow up on getting that bug logged and such?
[14:38] <rickspencer3> I'm sure Adobe will get right on ignoring it
[14:38] <rickspencer3> j/k
[14:38] <rickspencer3> no offense Adobe
[14:38] <chrisccoulson> rickspencer3, i can talk to iamfuzz about that
[14:38] <rickspencer3> sorry, really
[14:38] <rickspencer3> thanks chrisccoulson
[14:38] <chrisccoulson> i think he will know what to do
[14:38] <rickspencer3> huats, ^
[14:39] <huats> :)
[14:40] <smspillaz> rickspencer3: that could actually be a compiz thing
[14:40] <rickspencer3> smspillaz, I was wondering about that, tbh
[14:40] <rickspencer3> but didn't want to say
[14:40] <mdeslaur> fyi, bug 865672
[14:41] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 865672 in adobe-flashplugin "Adobe flash settings 'allow-deny' dialogue does not respond" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/865672
[14:41] <smspillaz> rickspencer3: there's some ... funky interactions that usually have to go on between window managers and embedded windows
[14:41] <smspillaz> rickspencer3: is there a site I can go to to quickly test?
[14:41] <rickspencer3> huats, I think if you retest your scenario with Unity 2d, and it doesn't happen, then it's comiz, right smspillaz?
[14:41] <smspillaz> (not really working this week, but I can quickly triage)
[14:41] <didrocks> the easiest way to know is to run unity-2d and try there
[14:41] <smspillaz> rickspencer3: it depends, could be a number of things
[14:41] <smspillaz> trial and error is never really a good indicator
[14:42] <huats> smspillaz, you can go to http://visio.objectif-libre.com
[14:42] <smspillaz> thanks
[14:42] <huats> it is on my own server
[14:42] <huats> so give a nick
[14:42] <huats> and then click on the icon of the webcam
[14:42] <huats> or the headphone
[14:42] <rickspencer3> smspillaz, go here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGhExssWyE0
[14:42] <rickspencer3> right click on the youtube video
[14:43] <rickspencer3> pick settings ...
[14:43] <smspillaz> happens with metacity too hmm
[14:43] <rickspencer3> and then click close ...
[14:43] <chrisccoulson> mdeslaur, thanks
[14:46] <smspillaz> hmm
[14:46] <smspillaz> god I hate flash
[14:46] <chrisccoulson> me too
[14:47] <smspillaz> I remember when I implemented a standard properly in compiz flash started randomly crashing
[14:47] <chrisccoulson> that's why i don't normally have it installed
[14:47] <smspillaz> I traced it down to the fact that apparantly every other window manager has worked around flash doing the wrong thing
[14:47] <smspillaz> and nobody ever fixed the stupid behaviour that it was doing
[14:47] <rickspencer3> chrisccoulson, I can still watch Taylor switch videos, so the bug is just "Medium" I think
[14:48] <smspillaz> wtf
[14:48] <smspillaz> flash is giving up the input focus as soon as it gets it
[14:48] <chrisccoulson> rickspencer3, did you mean Taylor Swift?
[14:48] <smspillaz> I don't even ....
[14:49] <rickspencer3> tbh, the fact that I can watch Taylor Swift might be considered a serious bug in Flash by many
[14:49] <rickspencer3> smspillaz, I have a 12 year old daughter
[14:49] <chrisccoulson> heh
[14:49] <seb128> rodrigo_, did you try the g-s-d update?
[14:50] <rodrigo_> seb128, building and installing now
[14:50] <smspillaz> rickspencer3: hrm
[14:50] <smspillaz> rickspencer3: I'll have to put some debugging code into compiz at some point and figure out where the input focus is going. This happened with metacity too though
[14:50] <seb128> rodrigo_, didrocks says the touchpad osd icons are opposite to the status, he's inverting them, can you confirm it was buggy for you as well?
[14:51] <rickspencer3> smspillaz, "if str.contains("Taylor Swift") return;" ?
[14:51] <didrocks> yeah, confirmation would be nice :)
[14:51]  * didrocks rebuilds once more to ensure
[14:51] <smspillaz> rickspencer3: kwin too
[14:51] <rickspencer3> smspillaz, kwin has the bug?
[14:51] <rickspencer3> woah
[14:51] <smspillaz> rickspencer3: kwin has tons of bugs
[14:52] <smspillaz> as does metacity and compiz
[14:52] <rickspencer3> there must be a work around
[14:52] <smspillaz> window managers are *hard* to write :p
[14:52] <smspillaz> rickspencer3: not really, it looks like flash is just doing something stupid here
[14:52] <chrisccoulson> rickspencer3, i cloned the Bugs/Importance wiki page, and created a mozilla team one with the extra criteria on - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/Importance
[14:52] <chrisccoulson> ;)
[14:53] <smspillaz> rickspencer3: its difficult to tell with external debugging tools because of the fact that external clients can't check if another client is getting button events, but at least flash seems to be activating capturing mouse input so that xev cant get it
[14:53] <chrisccoulson> Critical: Prevents Rick from watching Taylor Swift videos :)
[14:53] <rodrigo_> seb128, hmm, it shows a monitor
[14:53] <smspillaz> and it also moves the input focus off of its own windows
[14:53] <smspillaz> so my guess is that it is just doing something stupid
[14:53] <rodrigo_> seb128, for volume it seems to be ok
[14:53] <didrocks> rodrigo_: monitor? it's a touchpad with 2 buttons under it
[14:54] <rodrigo_> ah sorry, touchpad :-)
[14:54] <rodrigo_> I just read the "OSD icons" part
[14:54] <didrocks> rodrigo_: is the order right for your from the vcs?
[14:54] <didrocks> rodrigo_: like, you see the crossed touchpad when it's deactivated?
[14:54] <smspillaz> rickspencer3: also, flash doesn't really create any new windows afaict when that settings box opens and it captures mouse input just fine when that box isn't open
[14:56] <rodrigo_> didrocks, not running the git version, but will try later
[14:56] <didrocks> rodrigo_: ? I meant the packaging version
[14:56] <seb128> rodrigo_, don't try git, the notify-osd patches are ubuntu specific
[14:56] <rodrigo_> didrocks, ah
[14:57] <seb128> rodrigo_, well, with the one you just built does the touchpad,cross-touchpad icons correspond to the right status on,off?
[14:57] <didrocks> seb128: I confirm that I needed to inverse
[14:57] <seb128> didrocks, yeah, let's get a confirmation from rodrigo_ that it's not your hardware being weird ;-)
[14:57] <didrocks> my hardware is nice and shiny!
[14:57] <seb128> ;-)
[14:58] <CarlFK> desrt:  ok, so gsettings sets it, watch sees it.  dconf update does not. head /etc/dconf/db/site.d/local.dconf; [org/gnome/desktop/screensaver]; lock-delay=10; I get errors if I mangle the lines, so it is parsing the file.
[14:58] <rodrigo_> need to log out and in, brb
[14:58] <desrt> CarlFK: curious.
[14:59] <seb128> desrt, do you have any clue why d-conf triggers apport bugs like this after login (it doesn't seem to like something lightdm is doing): https://launchpadlibrarian.net/81584264/Stacktrace.txt
[15:00] <seb128> desrt, hum, I guess it's a permission issue in the lightdm dir
[15:02] <rodrigo__> didrocks, I see the crossed touchpad when deactivated
[15:02] <didrocks> rodrigo__: so you get the right order
[15:03] <didrocks> why isn't it the case here? :/
[15:03] <didrocks> seb128: I would say, push it like it is then
[15:03] <didrocks> but I'm really puzzled
[15:04] <seb128> didrocks, rodrigo_ uses gnome-shell
[15:04] <seb128> rodrigo_, do you use notify-osd?
[15:04] <seb128> or gnome-shell?
[15:04] <rodrigo_> yes, with gnome-shell
[15:04] <didrocks> oh, you think he didn't?
[15:04] <didrocks> ah
[15:04] <didrocks> rodrigo_: bad! :)
[15:04] <didrocks> rodrigo_: can you try in unity?
[15:04] <seb128> you are not excercising the same codepath
[15:04] <didrocks> just to confirm
[15:04] <didrocks> and not driving me crazy :)
[15:07] <rodrigo_> seb128, I think it is notify-osd, yes
[15:07] <rodrigo_> seb128, the big osd icons in the middle of the screen, right?
[15:07] <seb128> rodrigo_, no
[15:07] <seb128> rodrigo_, notify-osd is the one in the top right corner
[15:08] <rodrigo_> seb128, ah, no then
[15:08] <seb128> rodrigo_, can you try opening an unity guest session from the lightdm login screen to test under unity (or unity-2d)?
[15:08] <rodrigo_> seb128, yes, sure
[15:08] <seb128> rodrigo_, thanks
[15:09] <seb128> I would test if there was a way to bind a keybinding to that action
[15:09] <seb128> but it's either you have the function key on your keyboard or not and I don't so I can't test
[15:12] <seb128> didrocks, do you want to upload or should I do it?
[15:18] <rodrigo_> seb128, didrocks: hhm, I just found out I can't disable the touchpad via a key, I was hitting the the wrong one it seems
[15:18] <rodrigo_> on gnome-shell, it shows something like a touchpad with a cross
[15:18] <rodrigo_> on unity nothing
[15:19] <seb128> weird
[15:19] <rodrigo_> but the effect is not to activate/deactivate the touchpad
[15:19] <seb128> what is it?
[15:19] <rodrigo_> dims the screen
[15:19] <rodrigo_> didn't see it on gnome-shell because it was already dimmed completely
[15:19] <CarlFK> desrt: should there be any difference between "sudo gsettings monitor org.gnome.desktop.screensaver" and "sudo dconf watch /org/gnome/desktop/screensaver/"  ?
[15:19] <seb128> rodrigo_, ok
[15:20] <rodrigo_> it has a weird sticker though
[15:20] <desrt> CarlFK: you should not run either of those with sudo
[15:23] <didrocks> seb128: not quite sure what we sohuld do then :)
[15:23] <seb128> didrocks, just upload
[15:23] <didrocks> seb128: ok, doing now
[15:23] <seb128> didrocks, thanks
[15:23] <didrocks> we'll see if people argues about inverted icons
[15:24] <seb128> thanks ping pitti for review
[15:24] <didrocks> but mine was working fine on natty
[15:24] <didrocks> so I assume I have the "right order"
[15:24] <seb128> yeah, chrisccoulson refreshed the notify osd patch several times this cycle
[15:24] <seb128> so I blame him
[15:24] <chrisccoulson> lol
[15:24] <rodrigo_> :)
[15:24] <didrocks> same for me, I totally blame him
[15:24] <chrisccoulson> well, i basically rewrote it ;)
[15:24] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: how dare you! :-)
[15:24] <seb128> see!!!
[15:24] <chrisccoulson> so it probably is my fault
[15:25] <didrocks> well, from the logic, the inversion makes sense
[15:25] <didrocks> so, let's say I'm logic enough :)
[15:26] <didrocks> seb128: not subscribing ubuntu-sru on your bug? how a bad guy you are! :-)
[15:27] <seb128> didrocks, well, I will do that now, I didn't add testcases either
[15:27] <seb128> didrocks, I'm doing it
[15:27] <didrocks> thanks! :)
[15:27] <didrocks> I added the team
[15:29] <didrocks> pitti: g-s-d uploaded. if you want to confirm if you have touchpad activation/deactivation keys that the icons are now properly shown…
[15:30] <pitti> didrocks: thanks; unless RAOF or SpammapS get to it before me, I'll re-process SRUs tomorrow morning
[15:30] <pitti> need to finish up the thing I'm working on, and then run out for TKD
[15:30] <didrocks> sure, no hurry I guess
[15:30] <CarlFK> desrt: i get different results with/without sudo - I am guessing it is scoped to the current user?
[15:31] <desrt> yes.  definitely.
[15:31] <desrt> i wonder if some dbus security policy is causing the signals from the system bus not to be picked up
[15:31] <seb128> pitti, sorry for the direct ping but it fixes the previous SRU which broke suspend
[15:32] <seb128> didrocks, oh btw did you -v to include both changelog entries?
[15:32] <didrocks> seb128: *ahem* of course
[15:32]  * didrocks hurry to reject it :)
[15:32] <seb128> ;-)
[15:32] <didrocks> didn't see it was a following upload
[15:32] <seb128> didrocks, yeah, it's to fix regression from the previous one
[15:33] <seb128> see it's not only you and gedit :p
[15:33] <seb128> well, which turned to be pygobject bog ;-)
[15:33] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, not for this one, but I got my shared with compiz, cpm, unity… :-)
[15:33] <didrocks> share*
[15:34] <didrocks> right changelog uploaded now.
[15:34] <didrocks> (said differently: it never happened)
[15:39] <chrisccoulson> unloading gobject based libraries from a process isn't a clever idea is it?
[15:41] <seb128> chrisccoulson, it's probably not no ;-)
[15:41] <seb128> I'm sure desrt can give you reasons why it's not ;-)
[15:43] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i already know why. it was more of a rhetorical question ;)
[15:43] <chrisccoulson> i just got bitten by it in firefox
[15:43] <chrisccoulson> i made it crash by unloading libunity :)
[15:43] <seb128> ;-)
[15:45] <chrisccoulson> unityfox is restartless now, and i made it unload libunity when you disable the addon in the addon manager
[15:45] <chrisccoulson> i probably should not do that
[15:47] <CarlFK> desrt: sudo dconf update" updates the system config.   "sudo gsettings set ..." sets the root users config.  "sudo gsettings monitor org.gnome.desktop.screensaver" seems to monitor both system and root, "gsettings monitor..." only monitors the user.
[15:49] <CarlFK> desrt: and I am getting lost trying to compare this to "dconf watch"  which seems to be different
[15:52] <pitti> good night everyone!
[15:53] <didrocks> have a good evening pitti!
[15:53] <seb128> 'night pitti
[15:54] <chrisccoulson> mpt - what's your account on bugzilla.mozilla.org?
[15:55] <mpt> chrisccoulson, mpt postinbox com
[15:55] <chrisccoulson> mpt - found it, thanks
[15:56] <chrisccoulson> i just saw someone talking about notifications, so i subscribed you to the bug ;)
[15:56] <chrisccoulson> mozilla bug 629280
[15:56] <ubot2> Mozilla bug 629280 in General "Show W3C Desktop Notifications" [Normal,New: ] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=629280
[15:56] <CarlFK> desrt: never mind that for now, I think my random use of gsettings is mucking up my debugging efforts.  I think the problem was needing a trailing slash in [org/gnome/settings-daemon/plugins/power/] - I am running install with that, if it works, done is good.
[15:57] <mpt> chrisccoulson, thanks
[15:58] <mvo> chrisccoulson: postinbox.com?
[15:58] <mvo> oh, nevermind
[16:47] <CarlFK> desrt: should there be a trailing slash in my file: [org/gnome/desktop/screensaver/]  ?
[16:47] <CarlFK> I thought that worked, then I re-installed, now I am seeing: sudo dconf update; /etc/dconf/db/site.d/local.dconf: ignoring invalid group name: org/gnome/desktop/screensaver/
[16:49] <desrt> no.
[16:49] <desrt> group names drop slashes on either side in keyfiles
[16:53] <CarlFK> desrt: how can I see what the system setting is, as opposed to root's or user's, which if it isn't locked can be different
[16:53] <desrt> CarlFK: not easily
[16:53] <CarlFK> swell :)
[16:53] <jbicha> ideally that would show in dconf-editor, right?
[16:53] <desrt> i think so
[16:54] <jbicha> CarlFK: you can file a bug ^ :)
[16:54] <desrt> but if you want to do it from the GSettings API you need to create a GSettings object, call g_settings_delay() on it then reset the keys you are interested in
[16:54] <desrt> then you will see the default value without actually having to commit the reset
[16:55] <didrocks> see you tomorrow guys!
[17:09] <sroecker> is gnome-screensaver responsible for dimming the screen on locking?
[17:16] <sroecker> ah, seems to be g-s-d now
[17:19] <tkamppeter> Any USB expert around to have a look into bug 872483?
[17:19] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 872483 in cups "laser printer only prints first job correct" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/872483
[17:24] <chrisccoulson> seb128, did you get your inbox unread count down to zero yet? :)
[17:24] <seb128> chrisccoulson, yeah, but not bug today ... not sure if I'm lucky or what
[17:24] <chrisccoulson> heh
[17:24] <seb128> chrisccoulson, is your version supposed to fix the issue or just to add debug?
[17:25] <chrisccoulson> seb128, well, i made a change which might fix the issue, if it's what i think it is
[17:25] <chrisccoulson> but i'm still not sure
[17:25] <seb128> how do I check I'm running your version and not the system one to start? ;-)
[17:25] <seb128> because I think I'm running it but I might not be :p
[17:25] <seb128> I installed it from tb by selecting the xpi
[17:26] <seb128> not sure if that takes over the default one?
[17:26] <chrisccoulson> seb128, what's the version in the addons manager?
[17:26] <seb128> 0.8.2pre
[17:26] <chrisccoulson> 0.8.2pre?
[17:26] <chrisccoulson> that's ok then :)
[17:26] <seb128> good
[17:26] <seb128> how do I turn debug on btw? I forgot to do that
[17:27] <chrisccoulson> in the config editor, you can set "extensions.logging.enabled" to true
[17:27] <chrisccoulson> that's in the advanced pane of the preferences window
[17:27] <seb128> got it
[17:28] <seb128> set to true
[17:31] <seb128> chrisccoulson, that new version of yours seem to work weirdly, when is it supposed to reset counts?
[17:32] <seb128> before it did when I was reading my emails
[17:32] <seb128> like if I had 25 unread bug emails the count was to 25, and was getting down one by one while I was reading them
[17:32] <seb128> not it seems to flush the box count as soon as I open the box or read the first one
[17:35] <CarlFK> jbicha: what's the bug?
[17:41] <seb128> chrisccoulson, that update doesn't work, I want my money back ;-)
[17:46] <tkamppeter> pitti, still there?
[17:46] <seb128> tkamppeter, he called it a bit earlier
[17:50] <tkamppeter> seb128, thanks, found it. It is about the CUPS SRU, I have an additional fix to include.
[18:05] <CarlFK> desrt: looks like my post install script dconf update is working.  thanks for the help.
[18:06] <desrt> no problems
[18:06] <desrt> enjoy :)
[18:06] <CarlFK> desrt: although this isn't com/canonical/indicator/datetime] custom-time-format='%H:%M:%S'  shouldn't that give me 24h time?
[18:06] <CarlFK> looking at docs I am thinking I need to set some other key='custom' or something
[18:11] <desrt> i'm not familiar with those particular settings
[18:11] <desrt> best to run that by someone else :)
[18:14] <CarlFK> hey time lords, how do I set the clock to 24h?
[18:14] <CarlFK> hmm, found the gui... dump, change, dump, diff...
[18:15] <CarlFK> right.  com.canonical.indicator.datetime time-format '24-hour'
[18:15] <dobey> heh
[18:40] <seb128> pedro_, hey
[18:40] <seb128> pedro_, the janitor is working on Ubuntu bugs, you don't need to bother closing them yourself nowadays
[18:41] <pedro_> i don't is just an script ;-)
[18:43] <pedro_> i officially hate sourceforge BTS
[18:43] <desrt> sourceforge's BTS is real?
[18:43] <desrt> i always thought it was an elaberate troll
[18:44] <pedro_> oh well.. libical seems to be using that now
[18:44] <pedro_> :-/
[19:16] <CarlFK> "incomplete language support" dialog - what's that about, and how can I prevent it?
[19:20] <seb128> CarlFK, it's about installing proper support for your locale (i.e dictionnaries, input methods)
[19:21] <seb128> CarlFK, the CD doesn't have enough space for those
[19:21] <CarlFK> what packages does it need?
[19:22] <CarlFK> or, is there some setting so it won't come up.
[19:23] <seb128> CarlFK, the ui is gnome-language-selector, I'm not sure what calls it
[19:24] <seb128> it's likely that pitti or mvo would know but it's after their work hours
[19:24] <seb128> so maybe try tomorrow during european day
[19:27] <CarlFK> thanks
[22:31] <desrt> chrisccoulson: hey
[23:09] <CarlFK> desrt: um.. I kid you not: my settings do not survive a reboot
[23:10] <desrt> neat!
[23:10] <CarlFK> install.. dconf update, reboot installer.  new system comes up, screen saver disabled.  don't touch anything!  20 min later, reboot.  now screen saver enabled.
[23:10] <CarlFK> yes, neat.  exactly the word I was thinking.
[23:12] <desrt> did you lock down the settings?
[23:13] <CarlFK> nope
[23:23] <CarlFK> desrt: um.. sudo dconf update, read /org/gnome/desktop/screensaver/idle-activation-enabled; false.  reboot, read, still false.
[23:23] <CarlFK> @#@!!
[23:24] <desrt> CarlFK: it's probably because something in the session set it back to false
[23:24] <desrt> CarlFK: try locking it down on the system side
[23:24] <desrt> or do dconf reset /org/gnome/desktop/screensaver/idle-activation-enabled
[23:24] <desrt> to see if that resets it to your default value
[23:28] <CarlFK> desrt: k.