[00:13] sup [00:45] right, time to go to bed and leave my other machine running 'klee' - although I think it's got stuck in a nasty pointless bit [03:09] http://xkcd.com/963/ rofl [04:51] Whoa @ google.com/nexus [06:00] morning everyone [06:23] Morning everyone. [06:24] morning TheOpenSourcerer [07:03] mornin [07:09] Morning [07:27] Morning anybody heard of www.backify.com ? They're offering 500Gb of backup for free, just seems to be backup space rather than a dropbox like service for free, but 500Gb seems to good to be true [07:29] "free"? what's the catch? [07:29] i.e. how do they make their money? [07:29] My thoughts exactly [07:30] They also offer paid accounts, so must be using this a loss leader to get people to sign up for the next account up that includes a dropbox like service [07:35] Morning [07:36] \o daubster [07:36] A question: Is there any music player program that can figure out how much typing/other stuff I do with given music and use that information to play me music that I'm more productive too? [07:37] daubers: I don't think there is one a the moment, but it won't be hard to write [07:37] daubers: you'll need to catch D-Bus "Now playing" events from (say) banshee [07:37] Hmmm.... [07:37] and X keystrokes (easy) [07:38] log number of keystrokes to a file on every song change [07:38] feed to graphing tool [07:38] \o/ [07:41] Might be a job for the train tomorrow [07:41] But how can you tell if they are useful keystrokes? [07:41] You can determine the currently active window [07:41] Also, do some tracks cause more errors than others (perhaps monitor the backspace events?) [07:41] if it's gvim, it's good [07:42] if it's chrome, it's slacking off [07:42] :) [07:42] if it's gvim, someones nicked my laptop [07:42] daubers: gemacs then [07:42] I have a lot of web apps to use :) === dipl0 is now known as diplo [07:42] Is there not a way to ask chrome what the currently active tab is? [07:42] daubers: there must be, and there's the window title [07:43] (does zetigeist not do this in some way?) [07:44] Does update manager not ask for a password now to install updates, I've just been prompted for updates & clicking install updates didn't ask for a password [07:46] I spotted that too this morning [07:47] Must be a change in 11.10 [07:47] Must admit it seems a bit of a security risk [07:47] I just clicked on install updates and it is asking me to authenticate [07:48] "update" hasn't needed a password since natty I think [07:48] maybe even maverick [07:48] so why did it just ask me? [07:48] "Install" asks for the password [07:48] Up until a few days ago, I've always needed a password [07:53] Maybe it's related to how long ago you authenticated? [07:53] Morning all o/ :) [07:56] Under System Settings there is an Online Accounts app... Any idea what this connects to? You can set up gmail accounts but I have no idea what it effects... [07:58] hello all [07:59] tonytiger: Thats about all I can think [08:04] morning all [08:04] I'm having a strange problem - my laptop has started throwing up a MCE error message with the (pre-3) ubuntu kernel [08:05] but with the same numbered debian on, everything's OK [08:05] s/on/one [08:05] anyone know of how how I can compare the two kernels relatively easily [08:06] danfish: do a diff on the config files? [08:07] /boot/config- [08:07] daubers: ah - ok. I'll give that a go. [08:10] How do you reply to tweets in gwibber, I can't find any way of replying, I can read tweets, send new tweets, but no way of replying/retweeting [08:10] Good morning peeps :) [08:10] Right, found it [08:10] How might I re-create a users' home directory using the skeleton dir? [08:10] Or would the best solution be to delete and re-add the user? [08:14] * daubers does like the Danse Macabre [08:15] bigcalm: Doesn't using the useradd command just copy what the skeleton directory contains or links to anyway [08:16] DJones: that's what I've ended up doing [08:21] What's the best way of monitoring (and restarting if crashed) a daemon if you're on a headless box and the daemon is run as me, not as root? [08:21] I don't really want to do anything "system-level"-ish like make an upstart job which gives away privileges === Stx_ is now known as Guest71711 [08:22] aquarius: you could use a script similar to botchk used by eggdrop bots [08:22] at the moment I just run the daemon (rygel) out of my crontab with "@reboot rygel", but if it crashes it won't come back [08:22] i was in a similar situation, ended up just making an upstart job that changed user before running the daemon [08:23] messing about with cron was getting me nowhere [08:23] I hate doing user stuff at system level :( [08:24] I mean, i could just do "while true; do rygel; done" :) [08:24] there's monit; I'm trying to work out if there's something better [08:24] monit requires loads of config, too. [08:25] would be so cool to have a per-user upstart [08:25] it would indeed [08:25] I asked keybuk for that and he laughed at me, so I don't think it's happening soon :( [08:27] aquarius: Maybe a per-user systemd! [08:28] MartijnVdS, if I can just install systemd from apt without it being used as init, that might be doable, but how much config does it require? [08:28] the other option is just to get a script run every minute on cron that stores the pid, checks to see if the pid still exists, if not, launches the software again. but that way is such a pain [08:28] gord, exactly, that's why I don't really wanna do that; I was hoping for something where I can just do "monitor-this-job rygel" and it would Take Care Of All That [08:32] aquarius: I've done it before by running the job in the forground on another tty as the interpreter. So if the process dies, the tty dies, essentially relogs on as a given user and the program is run as their shell [08:32] Bit of a hacky bodge :) [08:32] daubers, blimey, that sounds complex [08:33] aquarius: Quite easy to setup. Autologin in /etc/somethingy/ttyX, set the users shell in /etc/passwd [08:34] /etc/init/ttyX.conf [08:34] ...chown all my video to that user, or make it a+rwx... [08:34] Well, yeah, that would be a problem in your case [08:34] small problem is that if it just keeps crashing it's not very good at logging stuff [08:35] cograts, you seem to have invented the rube goldberg mechanism for restarting processes ;) [08:35] or you could just, like, fix the crasher bugs in the software? [08:35] gord: I was quite pleased with it at the time :) [08:36] MartijnVdS: ok i'm sold, getting a ds411 :D [08:36] MooDoo: cool :) [08:36] there's daemontools, I suppose [08:36] but having to create folders with run files in them annoys me too :( [08:36] aquarius: isn't that a Windows FTP server? [08:37] no wait it's a virtual CD/DVD thing for Windows [08:37] http://www.daemon-tools.cc/eng/downloads :) [08:37] daemontools, not daemon-tools :_) [08:39] Good morning, all. :) [08:40] A little knowledge is a bad thing. Kinda hosed my work station :D [08:41] Morning all [08:42] morning [08:42] good morning [08:44] o/ popey [08:44] Hello hello hello & hello :) [08:45] o/ [09:13] DJones: you thinking of trying that backify thing? [09:15] i need to look into encfs for storing encrypted backups [09:15] i'm happy to backup my MP3 collection on a few of these sites, [09:16] oimon: It was somebody else that was asking about the backify thing, I just wondered if anybody had come across them [09:16] they only launched a week ago it seems [09:16] they could also be gone next week too :P [09:17] That doesn't sound promising [09:18] i have 50gb on my box.net account to use up first :) [09:21] Is that 50Gb free? [09:22] Or is that the business account [09:23] free [09:23] DJones: for touchpad users, although i read ios users are included recently too [09:23] Ah [09:28] anyone using Tilda on 11.10? I can't get it to position flush to the left; it leaves a gap the width of the launcher dock [09:31] FND: try guake? [09:31] i thought tilda was a qt version [09:32] oimon: Yakuake is the QT thing IIRC (it's been years... ) [09:32] I'd rather stick with Tilda if possible [09:32] i'm not using unity, sorry [09:32] I guess I won't be for long either [09:33] morning all [09:34] Hi hoovie :) [09:34] FND: if unity could be moved to the bottom then you might not get that problem ;) [09:34] aloha [09:34] morning czajkowski [09:36] oimon: I have other issues (e.g. no persistent attention/urgency flag indicator), so considering migrating to Arch + LXDE [09:36] wow that's a big difference [09:36] are you looking for gnome2 behaviour in a modern release? [09:37] Morning all [09:37] * smittix has been playing around with cheese. [09:37] oh dear ;) [09:37] If only i could get the audio in sync with the video. [09:37] pictures! [09:38] seriously, we should have an ubuntu-uk cheese shots wall [09:38] heh [09:38] everyone has to use the square filter thing, because that is the funniest [09:38] I was trying to do a bit of a screencast, for changing startup services in 11.10 [09:38] gnome-session-fallback, gnome-shell with gnome2 look [09:38] I like the "hulk" effect it makes me look like shrek [09:38] oimon: basically, I live in the terminal+browser, so I just want the lightest WM possible - though without hassle (e.g. I also miss window list in Unity/Gnome-Shell) [09:39] (I did consider just using XMonad on top of X, but that was too much hassle WRT status bars and activity notifications) [09:39] FND, there isn't a good solution for this :( I use tilda too. It's really, really, really annoying [09:40] FND, there's been an upstream bug about it for *ages*; tilda seems to be somewhat abandoned upstream :( [09:40] aquarius: I guess we should file a bug? [09:40] oh I see [09:40] well, maybe I should use Guake then [09:40] ah! no, wait [09:40] I use guake and it has the problem and that's the abandoned upstream one :) [09:40] haha [09:40] so clearly both guake *and* tilda have the problem :) [09:41] well, I can guess why (the Unity Launcher blocking screen estate) - though it seems to not affect regular windows [09:42] FND, guake basically hardcodes a width of 100% :( [09:42] windows are meant to adapt to it; the launcher is a dock. [09:42] FND: try xubuntu 11.10 [09:42] aquarius: that'd be fine with me, as I use 100% width in Tilda's settings [09:42] ... if it worked ;) [09:42] http://www.comedytime.tv/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/nsH6J.gif HEH! [09:42] FND, yeah, but that's 100% width *less* any dock windows [09:42] I'll bet money that the same problem would happen with a left-hand gnome panel [09:42] it's poor coding :( [09:43] I keep meaning to fix it and keep not getting a round tuit [09:43] I would buy you a beer for that (though it would have to be remote; not planning to fly up there any time soon) [09:44] oimon: I considered that, and might go for Xfce if LXDE turns out to be less than great - but I figured, if I drop the mainstream WM, I might as well give Arch a try in the process [09:44] oimon, that's your answer? One drop-down terminal does lazy code which assumes that you haven't moved gnome-panel to the left and users should run a whole new OS? ;-) [09:45] xubuntu is the same os [09:45] aquarius: to be fair, there's more context to oimon's suggestion; I hinted at ditching Unity above [09:45] arch doesn't actually exist, it's just what people say when they are annoyed by some small aspect of their current distro [09:45] *may be untrue [09:46] My IDE isn't psychic! I'm moving to arch! [09:46] o.O [09:46] hah oimon [09:46] Seems to have the same ring as a lot of identi.ca messages I used to see [09:46] I keep meaning to try Arch but never have.. [09:47] Really not happy with natty though [09:47] FND, ah, I missed that you were contemplating moving to arch and lxde. Have fun with that :) [09:47] what's a "persistent flag indicator"? [09:47] Maybe just debian testing [09:47] tbh, with natty I haven't really noticed much difference yet to how I have been working before [09:47] i've used linux as a casual and corporate user since the 90s and never seen gentoo or arch in the wild [09:47] aquarius: remember the subtle blue triangle in the top-right corner on 11.04? see http://askubuntu.com/questions/66978/how-do-i-tell-when-a-window-demands-attention [09:48] (btw, I stumbled across your http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2011/01/16/working-with-the-ubuntu-messaging-menu in the process - is there an update on that?) [09:49] My main blocker to productivity these days is a mix of warhammer and on demand TV [09:50] When backing up a system, what would you copy other than /home and /etc ? [09:50] oimon: that might be the point; hipster linux... [09:50] !backup [09:50] There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning [09:50] bigcalm: list of packages? [09:51] Could do, though I'm not so bothered by them [09:51] i gather oneconf is doing something like that soon/now [09:52] FND, ah, that little triangle goes away? that's weird. [09:52] oimon: well, it used to - now the triangle doesn't exist anymore [09:52] FND, no update on the messaging menu stuff, I'm afraid; I haven't needed it since then :) [09:52] s/oimon/aquarius/ [09:53] I see - thanks for the write-up either way [09:54] FND, yeah, when I hit weird stuff I try and write it down :) [09:55] that's an excellent policy [09:55] czajkowski: Job hunting again? [09:55] yes [09:56] also post office Site uk is awful to use [09:56] I want a contact us email address [09:56] nope doesnt exist [09:56] naturally [09:56] but I sent a letter to -ie which is saying I sent to USA [09:56] czajkowski: Contracting sucks [09:57] it's a long story and has made me rather pissed off [09:57] morning all [09:57] czajkowski: prod [09:58] * smittix taps MooDoo on the shoulder and legs it. [09:59] smittix: no one here but us chickens :) [09:59] morning davmor2 [09:59] well just caught that czajkowski that sucks :( [10:00] not as bad as turning down 3 jobs since I was in ther [10:00] and 1 that very morning s [10:00] so a bit sensative subject which am really not in the mood to deal with [10:00] czajkowski: hug [10:01] morning MooDoo [10:01] davmor2: ayup lad, hows it hanging [10:02] MooDoo: sound as pound on the ground all around [10:02] davmor2: groovy baby [10:03] czajkowski: just another thing to add to the "reasons why i'm pissed off" list eh! :( [10:04] yp [10:08] :wq [10:08] oops, not Vim [10:09] :D [10:10] BigRedS: BEHAVE [10:10] bigcalm, cause more trouble! [10:10] BigRedS, even [10:10] or bigcalm whatever [10:10] Bwuhahaha [10:11] if i ran irc, no one would be allowed to share the same three characters in a name [10:11] I was trying to work out what BigRedS had done [10:13] I was just grinning [10:15] gord: Can we not just start using wildcards? [10:17] MooDoo: czajkowski Language :D [10:17] daubers, good luck talking to one of the alans with that [10:17] davmor2: up ya b** :) [10:17] MooDoo: I don't have a bob [10:18] davmor2: smart a*se [10:19] Man now I got to go look up words to see what fit [10:19] davmor2: not in the mood, stop being so cheery [10:19] could anyone recommend a program for checking what is using disk space from terminal? [10:19] * Gary tickles czajkowski [10:19] something like size per folder [10:19] du -sh /dir/ ? [10:20] du -h even [10:20] MooDoo: but you need to be, we need to pick on czajkowski in a nice way to keep her in a pleasant mood so she can get another job [10:21] czajkowski: although have you though that walking into the interview PO would work, give me the job or I rip you ears off [10:21] just a thought [10:22] davmor2: that's one of the reasons i'm in a bad mood, so many good people wanting to work, but not getting the chance [10:25] MooDoo: czajkowski will get another job guaranteed cause she doesn't give up like a lot of people, so I got every faith her and her abilities, till then we need to be strong and make her life feel as normal as possibly.... czajkowski prod :) [10:25] czajkowski: prod [10:25] could anyone recommend a program for checking what is using disk space from terminal? [10:26] need to find out why a server is full [10:26] dogmatic69: df [10:26] dogmatic69: start from /: [10:26] cd / [10:26] df -h * [10:26] dogmatic69: du -sh or df -h [10:26] davmor2: i suppose we could create a site giveczajkowskiajob.com and edit it will a gazillion testimonials :D [10:26] i was using df -h [10:27] MooDoo: no shes gotten used to picking on the agencies till they give her work now ;) [10:28] hehe [10:28] never got work via agencies [10:28] MartijnVdS: df -h always shows the whole drive regardless of where i am [10:28] I applied directly to all companies [10:28] czajkowski: yeap but picking on the agencies is fun [10:28] dogmatic69: uhr, you need "du -sh" [10:28] dogmatic69: sorry, one letter off: ) [10:29] thanks [10:29] du -sh in / is slow :/ [10:29] dogmatic69: yeah but it's doing a whole disk calculation [10:29] dogmatic69: of course, it goes over the entire disks, adding up file sizes [10:29] and then it just says the whole amount, not per folder [10:30] dogmatic69: du -sh * in / [10:30] du -h from / will show you per folder [10:30] dogmatic69: should tell you per folder [10:30] MooDoo: that seems to be in the right direction. [10:32] just need something like http://bin.cakephp.org/ [10:32] du -h is showing every single folder [10:32] dogmatic69: cd / ; du -sh * [10:32] dogmatic69: then drill down -> cd largest_dir; du -sh * [10:33] \o/ [10:33] thanks all [10:34] what is var/spool? [10:34] its using 4GIG of my 8GIG drive :/ [10:34] It holds mail for one [10:34] :O [10:34] dont even have a mail server [10:34] mail, cronjobs [10:34] dogmatic69: which directory in /var/spool? [10:35] postfix [10:35] so you DO have a mail server: postfix [10:35] well, clearly [10:35] its not used [10:35] dogmatic69: if you want more indepth info do du --help, -a prints info for all files [10:35] its postfix/maildrop that is 3.6GIG [10:35] Right. Fresh install of 11.10 and the workstation still reboots when I tell it to shutdown. I guess the machine itself might be at fault :( [10:36] could i just empty out that dir? [10:36] it just seems to have lots like : 4.0K 21DCA27DA1 [10:36] dogmatic69: try "mailq" [10:37] it'll show you what's trying to send the mail [10:37] hold on, server is complaining about the last command [10:37] (so you can prevent this from happening again) [10:37] bigcalm: that's odd indeed, shutsdown all of my machines [10:37] My workstation is the only one that still reboots itself [10:38] MartijnVdS: just has BEE032D0C2 382 Wed Aug 31 01:27:01 ubuntu /n ubuntu [10:38] lots of them obviously [10:38] It did it while I was still on 11.04. But only part way though the year. I can't remember when it started [10:39] dogmatic69: you could configure postfix properly, then you'd get these things mailed daily [10:39] (or however often this happens) [10:39] bigcalm: could be a short on the board when was the last time you gave it a service? I try and give mine a good clean down every six months if I can [10:39] MartijnVdS: will try [10:39] should clear them out first [10:39] dogmatic69: man postqueue [10:39] Been a wee while I guess [10:40] dogmatic69: that's for managing / flushing / purging the queue [10:40] davmor2: will give it some TLC at the weekend [10:40] thanks [10:41] bigcalm: might fix it who knows :) [10:42] MartijnVdS: looks like postqueue -f actually tries to send the mail? do you know of an option to just delete everything [10:42] dogmatic69: there is one.. I don't know which one [10:42] dogmatic69: it's in the manual [10:43] found a blog saying rm /var/spool/mail dir [10:43] no that's different [10:43] postsuper -d ALL deferred [10:43] dogmatic69: ^ [10:44] ah [10:45] MartijnVdS: removed the deferred and it did something... [10:45] postsuper: Deleted: 100530 messages [10:45] :D [10:45] that's a lot [10:45] I'd start figuring out where they come from [10:45] must be some cron job sending them [10:45] ye [10:46] http://bin.cakephp.org/view/716651808 [10:46] before / after [10:47] dogmatic69: now start tail -f /var/log/mail.log to see what's mailing you so often; ) [10:47] no mail.log [11:02] Afternoon. Quick bit of Qemu help if poss? [11:04] Yikes, afternoon already [11:09] Any 11.10 users here who also have spotify, what's your deb line in /etc/apt/sources.list ? [11:09] Hmm, the qemu option to create a samba share on the host (https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/QEMU#Samba) I just can't get working [11:10] bigcalm: I'm sure im using the same for natty [11:10] Do you want that line? [11:10] But created a static share on the host (plain share) and it's ok. must be the bit on that link that says "It seems that there is an incompatibility with Samba 3.x. and some versions of QEMU." [11:10] ha [11:10] Yes please [11:11] bigcalm: deb http://repository.spotify.com stable non-free [11:11] I have: deb http://repository.spotify.com stable non-free [11:11] But it's not working [11:11] :/ [11:11] What's it saying? [11:11] From sudo apt-get update: [11:11] W: Failed to fetch http://repository.spotify.com/dists/stable/InRelease Unable to find expected entry 'non-free/source/Sources' in Release file (Wrong sources.list entry or malformed file) [11:15] does apt-get install info give you any output? [11:15] iain@snafu:~$ sudo apt-get install spotify-client-qt [11:15] Reading package lists... Done [11:15] Building dependency tree [11:15] Reading state information... Done [11:15] E: Unable to locate package spotify-client-qt [11:16] Pardon the spam [11:16] weird [11:17] I have just noticed I have the deb line but no client, must have not installed it on this laptop yet. But when trying I get the same results. [11:17] :'( [11:18] Don't really want to run it in wine [11:18] May have to though [11:18] Yeah until something is sorted. [11:19] can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list for me? [11:19] Sure [11:20] ta [11:20] What cli to paste bin app do people use? [11:21] !pastebinit [11:21] pastebinit is the command-line equivalent of !pastebin - Command output, or other text can be redirected to pastebinit, which then reports an URL containing the output - To use pastebinit, install the « pastebinit » package from a package manager - Simple usage: command | pastebinit -b http://paste.ubuntu.com [11:21] Ta [11:21] Ah, it's installed :) [11:21] heh [11:21] http://paste.ubuntu.com/713090/ [11:22] bigcalm: Comment out the src line for spotify and try again. [11:23] or remove it completely [11:24] -o/ [11:24] Bloody synergy not sending keys correctly [11:24] Working [11:24] Yes [11:24] ? [11:24] Coolio [11:24] Now I will go and do the same heh [11:29] * davmor2 gets up and switches the light on [11:30] davmor2: I'M MELTING!!!! [11:31] bigcalm: just use rhythmbox and listen to absolute80's :P [11:32] MooDoo: why I didn't pour water on you :P [11:32] Heh [11:33] davmor2: ok ok another quote "Bright light, Bright Light" [11:33]