| johnhaitas | cyberanger: ping | 00:40 |
|---|---|---|
| johnhaitas | wrst: you here? | 00:43 |
| wrst | well barely johnhaitas thunderstorm and server issues :) | 00:44 |
| johnhaitas | wrst: you know of a reasonably priced CA? or how to self-sign ssl certs in a legit way? | 00:47 |
| johnhaitas | wrst: stay safe ;) | 00:48 |
| Unit193 | We had a storm, but not big | 00:49 |
| johnhaitas | we have rain | 00:52 |
| johnhaitas | i think i was programming during the storm | 00:53 |
| johnhaitas | i went outside and it was cold and wet | 00:53 |
| johnhaitas | it was warm and dry when i started | 00:53 |
| Unit193 | curl or wget | 00:56 |
| johnhaitas | curl | 01:01 |
| johnhaitas | depends | 01:01 |
| johnhaitas | but generally curl | 01:01 |
| Unit193 | Both work for this, just didn't want to decide :P | 01:03 |
| Unit193 | Not I have expand \o/ | 01:04 |
| cyberanger | johnhaitas: pong | 01:13 |
| cyberanger | that storm seems to have made it here, just thunder & lightning, no rain yet | 01:14 |
| cyberanger | so I'm seeing 30-60 miles out maybe | 01:14 |
| * Unit193 wonders why he's still in Freenode | 01:15 | |
| johnhaitas | cyberanger: you know the best way to produce/get a legit ssl cert? | 01:18 |
| cyberanger | johnhaitas: define legit | 01:20 |
| johnhaitas | will not be flagged by software as untrusted | 01:20 |
| johnhaitas | like web browsers | 01:20 |
| johnhaitas | or jabber | 01:20 |
| cyberanger | ah, so not legit, in a crypto sense, but a dumb software sense (self-signed is legit from a crypto perspective, but nothing to authenticate it's genuine except for the fingerprint) | 01:21 |
| johnhaitas | right | 01:22 |
| johnhaitas | or rather ... how does one become a CA? ;) | 01:22 |
| cyberanger | gonna cost time, money or both, it's gotta go through a Certificate Authoritiy | 01:22 |
| cyberanger | johnhaitas: there's already so many, and it's gotta be trusted in each machine, now if this were a company, one could make an internal, corprate CA, but really sounds like you need to look at verisign, godaddy, startssl | 01:23 |
| cyberanger | the very companies I never recommend (partially due to the flawed CA design) | 01:24 |
| cyberanger | startssl has some sort of a free tier, they do aim to be good at what they do | 01:26 |
| Unit193 | cacert | 01:26 |
| cyberanger | Unit193: not an option, due to johnhaitas' requirement it be recognizied in jabber clients & web browsers (they're better than most CA's though, they really aim to follow the proper model) | 01:27 |
| Unit193 | cyberanger: Some have it, but yeah, not all | 01:27 |
| cyberanger | johnhaitas: http://www.startssl.com/ | 01:28 |
| cyberanger | Unit193: too few for the requirements | 01:28 |
| Unit193 | Aye | 01:28 |
| cyberanger | it's disabled in ubuntu even | 01:28 |
| Unit193 | Annoyingly, yes | 01:29 |
| binarymutant | don't you have to pay for ssl certs? | 01:29 |
| cyberanger | mozilla ignores it, apple too, can't see the status of microsoft, but come on, it's microsuck | 01:30 |
| binarymutant | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/284 | 01:30 |
| cyberanger | binarymutant: eh, few exceptions for that rule, but yeah | 01:30 |
| cyberanger | binarymutant: and self signed fails to meet johnhaitas' requirement of passing a CA check | 01:31 |
| binarymutant | ah bc clients have to accept it? | 01:31 |
| binarymutant | complicated process :/ | 01:31 |
| cyberanger | binarymutant: well, pretty much, not just accept it, but accept it without user intervention | 01:32 |
| binarymutant | ya that's what I meant. Actually click a button or two | 01:32 |
| cyberanger | I could see doing that process though binarymutant if it were a company and IT were capabile enough to deploy & secure crypto (only seen fortune 500 companies & the DoD do that, or the little guy with an obsession for crypto) | 01:33 |
| binarymutant | debian does it | 01:33 |
| binarymutant | it is annoying though to accept them :D | 01:34 |
| cyberanger | I've done it with the DoD's Common Access Card | 01:43 |
| binarymutant | ^^ too scary for me | 01:43 |
| cyberanger | accept three CA's, then thousands of sites are verified against the Dod's certs | 01:43 |
| binarymutant | with debian all the different internal machine have to be accepted individually, quite annoying | 01:44 |
| cyberanger | the dod is a two-factor mutual system though, and they verify the CA's by the fingerprints | 01:44 |
| binarymutant | fingerprints?? | 01:45 |
| binarymutant | wowza | 01:45 |
| cyberanger | binarymutant: like one should do with ssh, DoD tries to keep good crypto protocalls | 01:45 |
| cyberanger | verisign, comodo, idk what they do, I don't trust them for it (little choice though, widely used) | 01:46 |
| binarymutant | everyone uses verisign | 01:46 |
| binarymutant | it's like ~50$ though | 01:47 |
| cyberanger | yep, despite the fact there is little public scrutiny to how they operate | 01:48 |
| binarymutant | well like all security, they've been broken before | 01:48 |
| binarymutant | <-- isn't down with the security loop though | 01:48 |
| cyberanger | binarymutant: thing is, people have blind faith now, when the model is broken now | 01:48 |
| cyberanger | ssl & tls are fine, but the CA model is shot to .... yeah | 01:49 |
| binarymutant | all ssl has been broken too, security is loop. Break&fix&repeat | 01:50 |
| binarymutant | md5 collision or something idk | 01:50 |
| cyberanger | well, enough effort & time, resources, you can brute force anything | 01:57 |
| cyberanger | but that's beyond the NSA on a wide scale even | 01:58 |
| cyberanger | not aware of any attacks that work in a reasonable timeframe when everything is done correctly | 01:58 |
| binarymutant | idk I stray from sec. | 02:01 |
| cyberanger | I run headfirst into it with a tinfoil hat & a midevil javlin shouting charge | 02:10 |
| * cyberanger has the bruises to prove it | 02:10 | |
| === wrst_ is now known as wrst | ||
| chris4585 | I really wish my laptop wasn't a laptop | 03:55 |
| chris4585 | I hooked all my desktop peripherals up to my laptop (28" monitor too) and it runs better than my desktop :/ | 03:56 |
| binarymutant | :D | 03:58 |
| binarymutant | but it's a travelling desktop | 03:58 |
| chris4585 | lol, basically but it puts my desktop to shame | 03:59 |
| chris4585 | runs ubuntu smoother anyway | 03:59 |
| binarymutant | same here, but I <3 my laptop | 04:00 |
| Juzzy | man | 04:13 |
| Juzzy | i gotta hand it to apple | 04:13 |
| Juzzy | they really got their shiz together | 04:13 |
| Juzzy | so we stuck an apple TV on the end of our projector | 04:13 |
| Juzzy | now i can take my ipad, load my VDI client | 04:14 |
| Juzzy | and take control of the project with any app i need from anywhere | 04:14 |
| Juzzy | it's pretty sick | 04:14 |
| === Ukikie is now known as Unit193 | ||
| chris4585 | my laptop also seems to last way longer using only external monitor | 04:26 |
| chris4585 | so I'm happy | 04:26 |
| vychune | <.< | 04:30 |
| vychune | >.> | 04:30 |
| vychune | o.o | 04:30 |
| vychune | anybody round these parts? | 04:31 |
| cyberanger | vychune: perhaps somebody is round, think I'm more of a stick figure | 04:32 |
| vychune | LOL | 04:32 |
| vychune | sup cyberanger | 04:32 |
| cyberanger | one horrible looking sky | 04:33 |
| cyberanger | ok, first one was better | 04:33 |
| cyberanger | not too much | 04:33 |
| vychune | hmm i hear that | 04:35 |
| vychune | rain just stopped here a while ago | 04:35 |
| vychune | the cold still looms | 04:35 |
| vychune | how was work? | 04:37 |
| chris4585 | I wish it was cold here | 04:39 |
| cyberanger | same | 04:39 |
| vychune | chris4585: where are ya? | 04:40 |
| chris4585 | florida | 04:41 |
| chris4585 | its slowly getting comfortable now | 04:41 |
| chris4585 | but still in the 80's :| | 04:41 |
| cyberanger | vychune: I want it cold enough to bring out the ice skates & snowboards | 04:42 |
| * cyberanger was a yankee, hockey hockey, go penguins | 04:42 | |
| vychune | i have a friend at Florida Christain College there | 04:42 |
| vychune | cyberanger: i heard that | 04:43 |
| * vychune wants to learn snowboarding | 04:43 | |
| chris4585 | I just want it 45F year round | 04:43 |
| vychune | go Predators | 04:43 |
| vychune | ?!?!??!?!? | 04:43 |
| vychune | 45? | 04:43 |
| vychune | have fun with that lol | 04:44 |
| vychune | or learn to say eh? and move to northern Canada | 04:44 |
| chris4585 | lol | 04:45 |
| chris4585 | 45 is great weather, I don't like waking up and sweating | 04:46 |
| chris4585 | if not 45 then 55 is good too | 04:46 |
| cyberanger | vychune: sorry vychune I like a team that knows what snow & ice is, without importing it | 04:46 |
| vychune | LOL | 04:47 |
| xpistos | \join #libreoffice | 16:45 |
| wrst | ha ha xpistos :) | 16:52 |
| johnhaitas | at least he didn't do the following | 16:54 |
| johnhaitas | \msg NickServ identify passwordForXpistos | 16:55 |
| wrst | oh i have came close a time or two | 16:55 |
| wrst | and hello johnhaitas and xpistos :) | 16:55 |
| xpistos | Hey | 16:55 |
| xpistos | my brain is frzzeld | 16:56 |
| wrst | join the club my friend ;) | 16:56 |
| xpistos | I can figure out how to append something to a column in libreoffice | 16:56 |
| xpistos | I wouild think that would be the easiest thing in the world | 16:56 |
| xpistos | but I keep cutting off the last character to add what I want | 16:56 |
| * wrst has much more experience on the dark side of office software | 16:57 | |
| johnhaitas | hola wrst | 16:58 |
| johnhaitas | and xpistos | 16:58 |
| johnhaitas | :) | 16:58 |
| johnhaitas | xpistos: in the new job yet | 16:58 |
| xpistos | Monday | 16:58 |
| xpistos | A-Holes at Libre office ignored me | 17:45 |
| xpistos | finally I just concatenated what I needed copied it to note pad and pasted it back | 17:46 |
| xpistos | done | 17:46 |
| vychune | hey guys | 19:16 |
| vychune | forgot this was open | 19:16 |
| vychune | lol | 19:17 |
| cyberanger | wrst: you use Lotus Symphony? | 19:21 |
| cyberanger | hey vychune | 19:21 |
| vychune | sup cyberanger | 19:22 |
| cyberanger | not much | 19:22 |
| wrst | cyberanger: I have before i found it a couple of years ago to be kinda slow | 19:22 |
| wrst | and bulky | 19:22 |
| vychune | like lotus notes? | 19:23 |
| wrst | vychune: IMB'S take on open office | 19:25 |
| wrst | more or less, pretty neat just a little slow | 19:25 |
| vychune | oh ok | 19:25 |
| vychune | like openoffice? | 19:26 |
| wrst | yes but slicker appearance but slow as christmas | 19:27 |
| wrst | or *was* | 19:27 |
| cyberanger | wrst: you did say dark side of office suites | 19:30 |
| cyberanger | lol | 19:30 |
| wrst | well i was referring to the darker side cyberanger MS Office :) | 19:30 |
| wrst | I would say IBM is friendly towards open source atleast not a jerk :) | 19:30 |
| cyberanger | that's not dark, that's as bright as a fire in hell | 19:30 |
| wrst | ha ha | 19:32 |
| vychune | lol | 19:33 |
| vychune | getting off need the bandwitdh | 19:35 |
| vychune | brb | 19:35 |
| cyberanger | chatzilla eh, forgot that client existed | 19:56 |
| Unit193 | Eh, can be helpful | 19:56 |
| johnhaitas | xpistos: good luck monday :) | 22:09 |
| binarymutant | Deep Space Window Manager = sweet name for a wm | 23:14 |
| Unit193 | I would guess it's not as awesome as it's name though, am I right? | 23:16 |
| binarymutant | it might be, I don't like {{{lisp}}}{{{{though}}}}{and it's based}{{on stumpwm}} | 23:19 |
| binarymutant | so I haven't tried it | 23:21 |
| binarymutant | oh it's (((((lisp)))) not {{lisp}} oops :D | 23:24 |
| chris4585 | nvidia 7025 or radeon 2100, which is better or are they equal crapola? | 23:30 |
| binarymutant | what's their speeds? | 23:31 |
| chris4585 | thats the problem I can't really find specs lol | 23:31 |
| chris4585 | one guy suggested the radeon | 23:31 |
| binarymutant | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Nvidia_graphics_processing_units | 23:32 |
| binarymutant | radeon one came out later... | 23:34 |
| binarymutant | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_AMD_graphics_processing_units and the radeon is faster | 23:35 |
| binarymutant | by 75mhz | 23:36 |
| chris4585 | ah thanks binarymutant | 23:45 |
| chris4585 | well I'm glad I got that one then | 23:45 |
| chris4585 | thanks to rush shipping I have a whopping $0.02 on my card lawl | 23:45 |
| chris4585 | well regardless it'll be better than my old crappy nvidia 6150 | 23:46 |
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